Classical Composer reacts to MEGADETH: HANGAR 18 | The Daily Doug (Episode 798)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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In this edition of #thedailydoug, I'm returning to the music of Megadeth based on the many requests for music from Rust in Peace after last week's Metallica video. This is my fourth time reviewing music from Megadeth, and although I'm still not a big fan of Dave's vocals, their music is growing on me. I especially loved the chromatic motion in the bass line and the chromatic third modulation in the final section of the song. I hope you enjoy!
Reference Video: • Hangar 18 (2004 Remix)
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You're right that it's two different guitarists. The 11 solos are played by:
Verse 1
1. Marty
2. Marty
Verse 2
3. Marty
4. Marty
Here's the tempo change
5. Marty
6. Marty
7. Dave
8. Marty
9. Dave
10. Marty
11. Dave
Well done sir
@@EveretteDomalewski thanks
The 11 solos. Man that rules 🤘LOVE it.
This is the worse '2004 remixed and remastered' version. The original album version is superior in every way compared to this. The guitars, especially the solos are way clearer in the original version.
Marty's solos take you on a journey through the desert... on a camel's back
Alchemy, sorcery, wizardry, thermatology, electricity... Should be next
Five magics!!
I master five magics
srsly what's the difference between sorcery and wizardry? Lol Dave was lazy
@@soopahsoopah Sorcerers are born with their magical skills, wizards need to study to learn magic.
@@soopahsoopah If you play D&D you'd see the difference. History irl informed that, even.
Very briefly said...one type of magic is more given (wizardry), the other is more from inside yourself, (sorcery).
Both require study and discipline.
Both highly affected by intent.
Doug and I were abducted by aliens and loved every minute of it 👽😎
You two know too much!!!
"Doug and I were abducted by aliens .." ehhh..must be Tuesday.
@@svartmetall even the probe was awesome 👍
I really hope you react to Five Magics by Megadeth at some point! That one’s my favourite!
So good.
Yeahh frr
Yes! The original version.
Second favorite after Wake Up Dead.
The intro has the exact same chord progression as the d minor riff from call of ktulu. Both written by dave
In an interview with Dave year ago, he said he wrote the music for 'Hangar 18' around the time he was in the band Panic, which was around 1981. 'Mechanix' and the music for 'Rust in Peace... Polaris' were written as well.
Dave has claimed to write the entirety of when hell freezes over, which is the demo version of call of ktulu, it is on spotify if you're interested
Get ready for the greatest 2 axe attack to ever grace metal! R.I.P. is the greatest metal album ever made.. Looking forward to this one.
Very close to Ride the Lightning and Reign in Blood, not saying any order
@andrewkemp2238 well, Mustaine did write a few of Metallica's songs.
This is the not so good sounding remixed version though.
@@jadedjackel655especially on RTL
There are like 5 normal metal songs' worth of riffs and solos in this one song. This is one of the few songs I'd consider "perfect".
Hey Doug.
Just wanted to say a massive thanks for being an inspiration for me learning music theory.
Really gotten deep into music and how its built etc after you started reacting to some of my favorit artist.
And have opened my eyes to a whole New world
The thing about Dave's voice is that it's a character voice, not meant to be technical singing with huge range and clarity and power like a Halford. Dave's singing style is more punk-influenced, meant to convey the anger and emotion of his lyrics; sort of a snarl if you will. More about attitude. Personally I love his vocals as they perfectly suit the music he writes. He also throws in a lot of clever inflections, for instance in Tornado Of Souls when he says "Hanging up I wanted to cry", he sings it with a mock-crying expression.
Perfectly said. People don't understand how interesting Dave is as a singer., He's full of nuances with a punk attitude.
I think you'd appreciate Five Magics
Definitely one of my favorite Megadeth songs! Great video!
So glad you covered this song!! I too would love a full album review some day. In regards to not being able to use the music video version, I actually prefer it when you review a song this way without the video.. Like you said the videos can be distracting.
You're right, that riff in the second half is in F# and plays around with G. Edit: It starts with a quick E, F then F# which makes the key seem a little ambiguous if you're not familiar with the riff.
Helloween - Keeper of the seven keys
Oh god, the remix?!
the second Dave starts singing the look on Dougs face says it all
😐
Dave’s vocals are an acquired taste, but he does some pretty cool things. Like in Captive Honour, “what do you mean life, I ain’t got a life”. He’s not a technical vocalist, be he is an expressive vocalist. His very clear snarl is second to none as well. He’s never tried to be great, he’s worked with what he can do, and it works great for the music. Great for someone, like me, who likes understanding the vocals in thrash. Thrash is my favourite genre, but there’s a lot of bands that go to a dirtier vocal sound, almost closer to death metal(growling or fairly harsh), and I just can’t get to it.
Yea...
You're not the qualified one to comment on anyones singing :D The tune you got on your channel made my ears bleed.
@@joelmacdonald6994 yep love Daves vocals .. Doug on the other hand does not haha
@@joelmacdonald6994 thats nick who says what do you mean life, I ain’t got a life”
Doug played The Call of Ktulu at 9:39
Hey Doug. Glad you checked out this Megadeth song because I think it's really good. Maybe you'll also "A Tout Le Monde" which is more ballad.
Could you please react to the band Death? Either the song "Pull the Plug" or "Left to Die".
Death is a band that helped birth and shape a new metal genre (death metal) after thrash metal (Metallica, Megadeth). The band leader was a great musician and composer, I think you might find them interesting.
Dave Jr. (Ellefson) is in drop D tuning while Marty and David are in E standard. There's a lot of Jazz influence in Megadeth's music and really explains the modulations chosen. RIP Nick Menza. Gone way too early!
There are some secret places on the base.
You're totally right, they Dave and Marty play alternate solos but Marty's oh-so unique style is easily recognizable, NO ONE SOUNDS LIKE MARTY FRIEDMAN.
his voice is great, love it
I want this feeling again.
Hearing a song for the first time.
It would make my day to hear your thoughts on either "My Last Words" or "Looking Down the Cross." They're a little off the beaten path, but they're excellent songs.
Looking Down the Cross is so terribly underrated.
"Still don't like his voice..."
You and me both! Great reaction.
The last part is a back and forth between alien horrors (Bam, Bam, Bam) and human feelings (the solos).
Rust in Peace has enough riffs for 5 albums.
I have been listening to metal since I bought Twisted Sister Stay Hungry in 86 or what ever... the turing to harder music when Sepultura Arise and Entombed and Clandestine came around.... but still how much metal, death, thrash, black, doom or what ever... Rust in Peace is a top 5 album of all!!!!
You need to re-react to Holy Wars Doug, I always felt you needed to hear it the more you'd grown into the music, maybe possibly an entire album reaction ala Master of Puppets
Return to Hangar is a rare, very rare, instance where a song follow up actually delivers
Five Magics or Lukretia, they are fun mid-album songs
Megadeth are my favorite metal band. The solos are always fresh and stunning. I cannot begin to pick a favorite. Symphony of Destruction is their classic. For A change of style try A Tout Le Monde, Trust, Forclosure of a Dream. Sweating Bullets stands out and Kick the Chair has more stunning solos. Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia are perfect albums. So more Megadeth please.
So weird to hear just one track from this album out of context - I still listen thru Rust in Peace *as an album* - it *remains* one of the highest quality metal records imho (no honest human is going to tell you MegaDave's vocals are a treat, but the music is great!) :)
4:20 Literally every MD fan. 😎🤘🏼
The weird thing about Mustaine's voice is that while I'm not fond of it, I have no issues with Blitz's voice from Overkill. I have appreciated Dave's voice more now when I equate it with death metal vocals, where I think of the voice as more of an instrument.
I’ve always imagined the song layout as singing about aliens and hidden life forms then the following 3 minutes of solos makes you forget what the song is even about
Doug, so appreciate your content, as much as I appreciate Megadeth. If you appreciate this song, or the album as a whole, then you absolutely MUST do a deep dive on "Countdown to Extinction"!!! Love ya, thanks. ❤
NIGHTFALL, BLIND GUARDIAN 🙏🙏🙏
Having grown up on this on Heabangers Ball, i always thought the solos were actually the aliens talking. If u watch the video, they cut to aliens in cells during the solos. Also, i heard that u can tell who plays the solo because Dave's always sound a little sad? Marty is more technical? Does it match?
Conquer Or Die - This is a phase of Megadeth where the Brazilian guitarist had brought a different style to the table
Yes, they would switch off, Dave's solo's are more extreme and raw, and Matty's are complicated, but more melodic. So put them together and you have one of the greatest Heavy Metal albums of all time!!!
I understand you not liking his voice, however his wicked inflections are masterful for metal!
Megadeth wouldn't have been Megadeth without Daves voice.
Thanks for doing more Megadeth. You really should broaden up even more and try early Mercyful Fate, though. I think that will be interesting for you. They were pioneering their very ovn style back in then early 80’s. I would recommend something from the album Melissa, like the opening song «Evil», but others here might have better tailored suggestions. Would be cool if you did one og their songs.
Hi Doug, you should check out Dave's vocals in some of his post-Rust In Peace work, he really worked on his technique a lot more after this album and it's very obvious in songs such as Addicted to Chaos, Kick the Chair etc.
Hi Doug! I love your videos and I'd like to recommend a song from a Hungarian metal band pokolgép. My favourite song from them is "pokoli színjáték" and I think you would enjoy it aswell
I think it's in the... Dorian scale....? The name of the scale escapes me
Best album of Megadeth all of time from France 🖤🖤🖤🖤
Dave is far more visceral while Marty is more virtuosic, so good discernment of styles Doug.
Definitely taking turns soloing. Marty’s solos are liquid and more melodic and Dave’s solos are definitely shreddy and more manic sounding.
This music defined an era with its joyful, energetic, and intensely emotional sound. Dave's vocals, reminiscent of Louis Armstrong, may not appeal to everyone, but I love them in this album just as much as I adore Marty's incredible guitar solos, and David Ellefson's in your face bass.
The easiest way is: Cleaner play -Marty, dirtier play -Dave lol
I'm glad you dove back in to Megadeth once you learned more about the metal genres. I've been a fan of them since Peace Sells came out, and they have very rarely disappointed. About Dave's voice, I actually love it. I think it is perfect for the music and its also so unique. That said, I can totally understand you not liking it. I have some metal friends that are the same way. The same with Slayer and Testament. Both bands and singers I LOVE.
Thanks for all your analysis. I find it so interesting as you break down the songs. It sure isn't something I could do, but you validate what I've known for decades, metal music is complex and powerful.
Greatest thrash record ever made with apologies to Slayer and Metallica. Song for song this album is a freight train of intensity, virtuosity, and thrash. Please consider reviewing each side it would be epic.
The original mixes sound better from what I've heard and that's definitely true for this album in particular.
Doug, listen to Lucretia from this album for another great job from Marty in the solo.
For pretty much any Megadeth song you do in the future (ESPEICALLY FOR RUST IN PEACE) you NEED to listen to the original mix of the song, NOT the 2004 remaster.
Dave's voice is far too prominent in the mix on the remasters, and many of the vocal tracks were re-done because they lost the original recordings. The original mixes are also just much more natural and organic in general, the drums especially are majorly improved. I didn't like Hangar 18 or any Megadeth track before hearing the original, and now Rust In Peace is my favorite album of all time. It's that big of a difference.
Anthrax is another must. Intro to Reality/Belly of the Beast is a great epic piece.
I'm in a minority of people that don't care so much for this album. I know for many it's their masterpiece. For me Peace Sells is easily the number one, probably because I'm a prog fan and that album is their proggiest and almost - dare I say - jazzy at times. But the tempo change in this particular song is one of my all time favourites for sure. I remember rewinding it over and over again and getting goosebumps every single time.
I think Cryptic Writings album is very underrated.. She Wolf is so good! But after that, is a different band (the commercial winds, as they say). That album is like the Black album from Metallica to me. So Doug should listen first to all top songs up to this, and just later on move forward (IMHO)
Dave's vocals took a while to grow on me. The guitar hooked me right away though.
Doug, Malmateen put 9ur a full album of classical orchestra writren by him and he is also the electric guitar soloist. CONCERTO SUITE FOR ELECTRIC GUITAR. REACT TO IT ENTIRELY PLEASE.
Crimson Glory ~~ Transcendance...any song, really, but I'd say "In Dark Places"...
MEG - A - DETH!!!
Doug has the best reaction channel by far
do voice of the soul by death
The second half of the song is 200% Mercyful Fate.
A legendary song from Megadeth
🤘🔥🤘
His voice:) It's meant to annoy someone just like you, of course. It's rebellion not prohibition. The more it disturbs the better.
Have you ever reacted/heard of Avantasia? love your content! ✨
death overactive imagination
This song is a display of Mustaine's guitar prowess.
You could listen to the band Wintersun, thoey play melodic death metal. "Sons of Winter and Stars" is a great song with a great orchestration work.
You could check them out.
True story I live in dayton
Slightly different tone😂. You'd think a composer would note the stark difference between the exotic musicality of MF vs the frenetically aggressive pentatonics of Dave. It's night and day.
So this song is Mustaine reclaiming Creeping Death which he wrote. If you are a guitarist you know that they are the same song.
you should listen to the entire Rust in Peace album someday
not the remastered version though
@@epnlvr9790why not?
@@enzolumare5680because Dave went in and messed with the original mix. Not for the better either
@@enzolumare5680 He redid vocals on most if not all the songs, something to do w/losing the original recordings or damage, can't remember.
@@enzolumare5680 It sounds worse. Snare sounds weird, probably sample replaced drums. Guitars sound worse, buried in the mix. And the vocals sound worse too.
At the begging we all say we don't like Dave's voice but, then, we can't imagine Megadeth with any other voice.
I always loved it from the start
at first i was taken back by it but i love it now, especially in the newer albums
Exactly he didn't want to be a Singer but it's that growl and rough grit sound....Nobody But Dave!!
Say what you want about Dave's singing, gotta love his lyrics.
He's one of my favourite vocalists. Truly unique. And very colourful and soulful... when he's not pissed off. He's also one of the best lyricists indeed.
Good lord this album is so satisfying. It never gets old.
Agreed
Little bit of trivia for you here doug: the main chromatic chord progression in the very beginning in D is the exact same chord progression in one section of Call of Cthulhu, and Dave Mustaine actually did get songwriting credit for that. A lot of the other sections of Cthulhu are also clearly derived from that main progression
Led Zep’s kashmir also?
Ride the Lightning came out in 1984, Rust in Peace came out in 1990. Hanger 18 would be derived from The Call of Ktulu, not the other way around.
@@gumballthechewy dave wrote the call of ktulu. metallica used his riffs.
@@anistissaoui Kashmir has a similar chromatic movement, but it's not in D and also unlike hangar 18 in kahsmir I'm pretty sure they move the bass note chromatically
@@otherside6580 1 chord progression does NOT equate the whole song. So NO, Dave did not write The Call of Ktulu. In fact, the working title was called "When Hell Freezes Over" and Metallica didn't even start working on it until after the release of Kill'em All.
Dave always has a crunchy, dry tone, and tends to play scalar licks. His counterparts over the years have used a fuller sound, so it's easy to tell them apart. You just have to get used to Dave's nasal vocals.
Few people have better tone than Marty
When I first got into metao I didn't even care about his voice because the music was so good
Only Dave can really inject that cynical snarl into the lyrics
@@beatmet2355 "A dark, black past is mine." I've always loved how Dave delivers that line.
Love his vocals. They are completely distinct. No one else sounds like him.
I can strongly recommend that you stay away from remastered/remixed versions of Megadeth tracks. All versions except the original took away all the tone and soul from the tracks.
Take no prisoners is a song that is criminally underrated of this album. Cant wait for the full album listen. Rock on Doug
Totally, one of the hardest rhythm guitar parts I've ever played, the speed, sudden pattern changes, and length of the song..
and it certainly does follow on well from the end of this song.
MEGADOUG....nice!! 💥☠️💥
F# is correct with the flat 2 as G as you noted. You’re a master of relative pitch sir.
In case someone else has not posted it, many of Megadeth's "official" videos are actually edited for time, shorting the songs. For example, the 'Hangar 18' official video has several solos edited out. 'In My Darkest Hour', which you have already watched, is also edited. And, 'Sweating Bullets' is edited losing around 50 seconds. I don't know why they did it, other than maybe to fit within Mtv's time parameters?
Good Mourning/Black Friday on the Peace Sells album! Original lineup. Most beautiful and epic introduction. Beautifully composed and executed.
The track that got me into metal. Still.sounds insane after all these years.
Hey doug, in the future try to avoid the 2004 remix of megadeth’s records. They’re a bit cleaner than the originals, but they lose a lot of the pressence and character of the original recordings, they almost feel hollow in a way. Still love the reaction though!
I agree 1000%
Mr. Mustaine re-recorded a number of guitar and vocal parts for these remixes. Not to put too fine a point on things, but let's say opinion is divided on whether or not these performances were improvements upon the originals.
I think the remasters are fine for KIMB and SFSGSW, neutral for Peace Sells and obviously terrible for Rust in Peace
Agreed
Just came here to say exactly this!
The thing that I love about Dave's voice is that it is absolutely nothing like any other voice.
he truly has one of the most unique voices in metal, love it or not
and honestly, his voice works Really well with their music, even if his voice isnt the best it complements the music well, and injects a lot of personality into their songs
unique doesnt mean good
@@JacobsKrąnųg i never said they were Good,
and tbh id much rather have unique but bad vocals than boring vocals, and dave's vocals are far from boring
Imagine having a boring voice, heard 100 times: THEN COMES DAVE
Metallica better vocals 👍
GOATed song from a GOATed album.
Peace sells is better
@@MBP208 And Puppets beats both of them
@@fixxxer7030 Megadeth has higher highs and lower lows. MoP is more consistent throughout. Same can be said for much of Metallica vs Megadeth
@ak47dragunov which megadeath albums are worse than st anger?
@@matiaseee8273 fair point, I had completely wiped that from my memory
Full Rust in Peace PLEEEEASE
Don’t know if Doug is ready for this Alien Technology! 😅
Doug will be fine!
Doug is alien technology!
I really recommend Poisonous Shadows from the Dystopia album. I think you'll find that a lot of fun. Especially some nice acoustic stuff
Never the remix.
Exactly 100%
Except for the first 3 albums... those needed remastering/remixing
At least for this album
@@xthatghomiex2939 Peace sells has a great mix imo especially for the time. The 2004 remaster completely botches numerous tracks. Other 2 I kinda agree although the 2004 So Far so good is souless and awful so its really not much better.
Any other time I would agree, but for this song the remaster has way heavier bass and it really compliments this song 🤘
Megadeth > Metallica, tons better in consistency and still thrashy to the bone
Hangar 18 is the gold standard of Thrash lead guitar imo. Tremendous playing by Marty and Dave. Man I dig this too, this cat is dropping theory knowledge at a moments notice in real time. Dude's rocking it out on piano! Sensational.
Chris Poland says hello.
My father was building supervisor for Buildings 18E and 18F at Wright Patterson AFB for about 10 years in the 80's and 90's. They are very interesting buildings, one of them (can't remember if it was E or F) was basically a giant freezer, which they used to test starting jet engines in sub-zero temperatures in the 1950's. I've been in both buildings and the only alien I ever saw was the Star Wars 'Hammerhead' action figure in a liquid filled jar on a work desk, with the label 'Specimen 052577' if I remember correctly.
Have you been to levels -7, -8 and -9? That's where you see the really interesting stuff. Including frozen aliens. The entrance to the elevator is extremely well hidden.
@@blafoobar9997 you mean level G, H, and I? Everyone knows the military uses letters for levels below ground 😉
@@ATSaale That may be true, but not in this case, as this building is very very very special indeed.😉
And: I am European, I have no idea how your military usually designates the floors. I don't even know how my country's military does it.
Yeah, that's what a secret government official would say. 😊
Killer duel guitar solo’s of Dave and Marty
Please do the sequel to this song RETURN TO HANGAR.
Personally, I thinks it’s terrible. But all the power to ya. I think “The World Needs A Hero” is awful, only one or two decent tracks on it IMO. “The Dread and the Fugitive Mind” is my favourite off that one, but most of it is sorely lacking. Still far better an album than Risk or Supercollider, both of which are terrible. But at least Supercollider seemed like Dave wrote it because he wanted to, rather than Risk which was written to become a radio hit. Risk is garbage because it was forced, Supercollider seems less so and at least genuine, but still completely boring.
Marty and Dave always did those great trade offs/duels for the solos. Some of my favorites for that are on countdown to extinction. Dave’s voice isn’t for everyone, but can be an acquired taste, and that album is a good place to acquire the taste.
Countdown to Extinction is a fantastic album 👌
I think vocally between the time period of Countdown to Extinction to Cryptic Writings have my favorite Dave vocals. He’s doing what he does best… the gritty, snarling, passionate and really expressive stuff like he’s spitting venom while handling the melodic hooks well. Skin o’ my teeth, Captive Honour, Ashes in Your Mouth, Victory, 99 Ways to Die, A Secret Place, FFF, etc. Vocally he’s vicious and melodic on these in a way that I think really works.