Both great 4x4s. After replacing the seat motors 2x on my car, I like manual seats. And there is a gazillion Jeeps on the road. But with Jeeps business down 40% since 2020, there are real deals to be had. I own a Grenadier, growing up with trucks, I don't even notice the steering. No worse than my sons Tacoma or Tundra. Great review.
Not sure why I’m still watching reviews after 6,000 happy miles in mine, but gotta drop a comment that this is an excellent review! Noise on road is mostly a tire thing and wind thing IMHO after driving with a bunch of different tires at different speeds on different terrain. It’s remarkably quiet when off-road, especially on sand when it’s almost peaceful. You can’t throw it around the highway at speed like a sport coupe, sedan or sport wagon, but I was genuinely surprised at how well it handles once you get used to it. I’m new to such a high vehicle (mine’s lifted) and initially it was a very odd feeling switching lanes or tight off ramps at speed but now I’m driving it at pretty much the same speed as my other cars on the road most of the time. Would I drive it like a track car, no, probably would get a ticket anyways, would I take my coupe off road, no, probably I’d break something, but at normal speeds on the road 15-75+ around these parts, it’s wonderful apart from being louder at speeds over 50mph thanks to wind (it’s a brick) and my tire choice. Everyday around town it’s pleasantly quiet. Winter will be interesting, as it’s up against AWD with Nokian’s. I’d be interested in a review of both of these next March!
Alex in the video, always a treat. I don't get the removable top, or soft top infatuation? With all the roof leaks, and the hassle of removing this and that, or just the sheer weight of roof removal, why bother? Less time to have fun IMHO. I would much prefer a hardtop, no fuss. But, to each his own. As for internal combustion vs hydrogen, its again the chicken and egg scenario. Not enough hydrogen stations. With a hard top, roof solar can help recoup range and power auxillary devices passively. Free power from the sun? Yes please.
My brother has this Jeep and is is noisy AF on the highway, my Grenadier with safaris and KO2s is not noisy at all, having driven from Boston to NYC. And I won't ride ine the back seat with that crazy ceiling cross bar after bashing my head.
The hand brake has the sadddle leather too. Perhaps the priciest and frivolous option, but dead sexy and will look better with patina. I couldn't not get it in mine.
Counterpoint, as an owner for 6 months, it doesn't matter. Grenadier steering is fine, but, it demands the right tire pressures and alignment be "right". Some of the early ones were seemingly delivered with poor alignment and way too much tire pressure.
I complained about the steering for about a week. After a week or so I realized I didn’t even notice the steering “issue”. I’ve had it a year now after selling my Rubicon and it is head and shoulders above the Rubicon in almost all respects. The Rubicon wins in articulation but it’s really not an issue when both vehicles have front and rear lockers.
Grenadiers are quite sensitive to tyre pressures. Mine was delivered with 39PSI which would get to 42PSI when hot. That is when the wandering started. I dropped the PSI to 36 and never had a problem since. It appears the dealers set the PSI at heavy load. Some earlier ones had issues with the caster being out during shipping and not corrected by the dealer. MY24s don't have this issue.
Gave my wife my Escalade and went to the Grenadier. Everyone online was complaining about the steering which honestly took me a a few hours to get use to. Much to do about nothing in my opinion and guess what, you can add Fox stabilizer and it makes the return much better. I did that but honestly didn’t even need to.
Alex I think you're forgetting you can raise the diffs with portals. 74 weld makes a great kit for the Wrangler. Sticker shock for sure but when you figure that its lift,regear,big brake kit all in one the price starts to make more sense. Still hoping they can go to castings and lower the cast a bit.
Portals of course apply to anything since you could also drop a set on a Nissan Rogue. No, I’m not kidding. LOL Nissan has a prototype Rogue with portals and tracks 😂
Key difference…the Grenadier is a far more attractive vehicle in general. You can also play a fun game while driving essentially anywhere and count how many Wranglers you see on the road with rubber duckies on the dashboard. I see grandmas driving them….sorry not thanks. I’ll take the Grenadier any day. Wrangles are a dime a dozen…the Grenadier is unique.
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I like the Ineos over the Jeep but would take a EV Jeep Recon when and if it makes it to the market soon.
9:24 can you clarify here about the engines. You said the same engine twice. Is it different tune or power output but same 3.0L in-line 6 engine as outside the U.S?
I would not bother comparing Jeep Junk to the Grenadier. The quality is worlds apart. And as bad as a regular Jeep is quality wise, wait until you add a completely unnecessary “hybrid” system to it. 💥 🔥 💩
Using BMW tech is a bizarre decision if you are making a true breed offroader, increasing price and making servicing limited and needlessly complicated.
I feel having a larger OEM supply the powertrain can be a good thing. Robust supply chain and heck BMW dealerships might even be able to help fix certain things if you’re in a pinch. I may have wanted a different OEM, like maybe GM with their 5.3, but the BMW powertrain and ZF Transmission are pretty solid and have been out a while giving me hope they’ll be largely fine for the intended customer and use.
It’s the same engine Toyota selected for the Supra. Rather than make their own, Toyota buys it from BMW. Toyota tested it extensively. The B58 is the best motor BMW has ever made.
32:40 People keep doing the 0-60 in 2WD, where the computer drastically cuts the power. Keep it in 4-Auto, and you'll get 5.5 seconds or less all day, even when the battery is at "0%"
Як взагалі можна порівнювати ці два авто: якщо Рубікон має максимальну комплектацію із усіма фішками для бездоріжжя; а Гренадер - кастровану версію із найслабшим двигуном? Щось Ваш канал все більше розчаровує, бо постійно махлює видаючи Червоне - за Гаряче і навпаки.
@ certo ma Ineos non ha niente di inglese 🤣 motore germania 🇩🇪 differenziali italia 🇮🇹 freni e telaio Portogallo 🇵🇹 fabbrica francia 🇫🇷 progetto Austria 🇦🇹 🙈🙈🙈 soldi germania 🇩🇪 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Both great 4x4s. After replacing the seat motors 2x on my car, I like manual seats. And there is a gazillion Jeeps on the road. But with Jeeps business down 40% since 2020, there are real deals to be had. I own a Grenadier, growing up with trucks, I don't even notice the steering. No worse than my sons Tacoma or Tundra. Great review.
Not sure why I’m still watching reviews after 6,000 happy miles in mine, but gotta drop a comment that this is an excellent review! Noise on road is mostly a tire thing and wind thing IMHO after driving with a bunch of different tires at different speeds on different terrain. It’s remarkably quiet when off-road, especially on sand when it’s almost peaceful. You can’t throw it around the highway at speed like a sport coupe, sedan or sport wagon, but I was genuinely surprised at how well it handles once you get used to it. I’m new to such a high vehicle (mine’s lifted) and initially it was a very odd feeling switching lanes or tight off ramps at speed but now I’m driving it at pretty much the same speed as my other cars on the road most of the time. Would I drive it like a track car, no, probably would get a ticket anyways, would I take my coupe off road, no, probably I’d break something, but at normal speeds on the road 15-75+ around these parts, it’s wonderful apart from being louder at speeds over 50mph thanks to wind (it’s a brick) and my tire choice. Everyday around town it’s pleasantly quiet. Winter will be interesting, as it’s up against AWD with Nokian’s. I’d be interested in a review of both of these next March!
Alex in the video, always a treat. I don't get the removable top, or soft top infatuation? With all the roof leaks, and the hassle of removing this and that, or just the sheer weight of roof removal, why bother? Less time to have fun IMHO. I would much prefer a hardtop, no fuss. But, to each his own. As for internal combustion vs hydrogen, its again the chicken and egg scenario. Not enough hydrogen stations. With a hard top, roof solar can help recoup range and power auxillary devices passively. Free power from the sun? Yes please.
My brother has this Jeep and is is noisy AF on the highway, my Grenadier with safaris and KO2s is not noisy at all, having driven from Boston to NYC.
And I won't ride ine the back seat with that crazy ceiling cross bar after bashing my head.
I'll stick with my 2020 4xe Rubicon. Love it! Zero issues.
zero issues? are you sure its a Jeep?
Main difference: Wrangler=overlanding/rock crawling. Ineos=overlanding/no rock crawling.
And payload / no payload (Jeep).
9:27 needs to be your album cover... "Alex on Autos" literally 😂
Land-rover, range rover, Ford bronco, Toyota, hummer, are some others
The biggest difference is the price
Is it really though?
Depends you can see wrangler with over 85k msrp 🤦♂️
Top spec wrangler rubicon $105k
For me, the wranger feels like a tin can (very capable one). The Grenadier is solid as a tank
Thanks for the detailed comparison! Great video
The hand brake has the sadddle leather too. Perhaps the priciest and frivolous option, but dead sexy and will look better with patina. I couldn't not get it in mine.
If-only the Grenedier had better steering! It’s really a deal killer. Everything else about it is fantastic!
Counterpoint, as an owner for 6 months, it doesn't matter. Grenadier steering is fine, but, it demands the right tire pressures and alignment be "right". Some of the early ones were seemingly delivered with poor alignment and way too much tire pressure.
I complained about the steering for about a week. After a week or so I realized I didn’t even notice the steering “issue”. I’ve had it a year now after selling my Rubicon and it is head and shoulders above the Rubicon in almost all respects. The Rubicon wins in articulation but it’s really not an issue when both vehicles have front and rear lockers.
Grenadiers are quite sensitive to tyre pressures. Mine was delivered with 39PSI which would get to 42PSI when hot. That is when the wandering started. I dropped the PSI to 36 and never had a problem since. It appears the dealers set the PSI at heavy load. Some earlier ones had issues with the caster being out during shipping and not corrected by the dealer. MY24s don't have this issue.
Gave my wife my Escalade and went to the Grenadier. Everyone online was complaining about the steering which honestly took me a a few hours to get use to. Much to do about nothing in my opinion and guess what, you can add Fox stabilizer and it makes the return much better. I did that but honestly didn’t even need to.
Bought for "testing". Hmmmm..... well maybe bought more as a toy/tool durango replacement!
Alex I think you're forgetting you can raise the diffs with portals. 74 weld makes a great kit for the Wrangler. Sticker shock for sure but when you figure that its lift,regear,big brake kit all in one the price starts to make more sense. Still hoping they can go to castings and lower the cast a bit.
Portals of course apply to anything since you could also drop a set on a Nissan Rogue. No, I’m not kidding. LOL Nissan has a prototype Rogue with portals and tracks 😂
Great feedback, question what is the gas octane required for each vehicle
The Wrangler gets a lot of hate but I really like it.
You should, it’s awesome.
It’s garbage
I especially love the 392 version
The wrangler is great. I think most of the hate is aimed at its price.
I would take the jeep since dealers are practically begging people to buy them with some smoking deals.
Key difference…the Grenadier is a far more attractive vehicle in general. You can also play a fun game while driving essentially anywhere and count how many Wranglers you see on the road with rubber duckies on the dashboard. I see grandmas driving them….sorry not thanks. I’ll take the Grenadier any day. Wrangles are a dime a dozen…the Grenadier is unique.
I like the Ineos over the Jeep but would take a EV Jeep Recon when and if it makes it to the market soon.
$500 XJ will outwheel both of those
excellent review. wish the grenadier wasnt so $$
9:24 can you clarify here about the engines. You said the same engine twice. Is it different tune or power output but same 3.0L in-line 6 engine as outside the U.S?
Yeah was wondering if he meant to say diesel?
i really thought you gonna have Chinese Tank suv there at 1st few seconds
Grenadier....71 miles remaining at nearly half a tank? Alex, how long were you idling the thing?!?!
The range estimate thing is wildly inaccurate
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Fixed in latest firmware.
I would not bother comparing Jeep Junk to the Grenadier. The quality is worlds apart. And as bad as a regular Jeep is quality wise, wait until you add a completely unnecessary “hybrid” system to it. 💥 🔥 💩
Using BMW tech is a bizarre decision if you are making a true breed offroader, increasing price and making servicing limited and needlessly complicated.
I feel having a larger OEM supply the powertrain can be a good thing. Robust supply chain and heck BMW dealerships might even be able to help fix certain things if you’re in a pinch.
I may have wanted a different OEM, like maybe GM with their 5.3, but the BMW powertrain and ZF Transmission are pretty solid and have been out a while giving me hope they’ll be largely fine for the intended customer and use.
@@ALMX5DPit's one of the most reliable engines from what I heard
The BMW B58 is one of the best engines in the world.
It’s the same engine Toyota selected for the Supra. Rather than make their own, Toyota buys it from BMW. Toyota tested it extensively. The B58 is the best motor BMW has ever made.
Great engine and the ZF 8 speed is in about everything
32:40 People keep doing the 0-60 in 2WD, where the computer drastically cuts the power. Keep it in 4-Auto, and you'll get 5.5 seconds or less all day, even when the battery is at "0%"
Did he say that wrangler has a powered soft top? Sure a hell looks like a hardtop to me.
Check out the Wrangler video. It’s a power soft top
Як взагалі можна порівнювати ці два авто: якщо Рубікон має максимальну комплектацію із усіма фішками для бездоріжжя; а Гренадер - кастровану версію із найслабшим двигуном? Щось Ваш канал все більше розчаровує, бо постійно махлює видаючи Червоне - за Гаряче і навпаки.
What does “yank” stand for?
Yankee
Yank is dF/dt, the change in force over time. I'm sure that's what Alex is referring to.
@@starvin-marvin-the-martian it’s playing off the term “Yank Tank” which Europe and other countries use to call big American SUVs.
The British will occasionally refer to Americans as “Yanks” as in Yankees
Ineos inglese?????😂
Bmws made in South Africa or Mercedes in America or Toyotas made in Thailand are still German and Japanese vehicles.
@ certo ma Ineos non ha niente di inglese 🤣 motore germania 🇩🇪 differenziali italia 🇮🇹 freni e telaio Portogallo 🇵🇹 fabbrica francia 🇫🇷 progetto Austria 🇦🇹 🙈🙈🙈 soldi germania 🇩🇪 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@davidecampana9614 same with almost any car manufactured today
@@shaun1900 no sicuro non un insalata 🥗 mista cosi da schifo 😷 🤣
@@davidecampana9614l’hai detto tutto! Esattamente.