Nice video, was very helpful helping refresh me on good technique of making terminations. I purchased all my cable and accessories from you for this home upgrade. While I'm a retired Test & Measurement electrical engineer and very familiar with RF/Microwave/Networking your Cable Academy has been an excellent way to bring current basic skills needed for this home project. I would ask that you update within your website links and search capability for these videos. I only found the video by reading a white paper that you had which included a link to videos.
Hello Phil! I am grateful you find our videos and blogs useful. We appreciate your feedback about searchability and better backlinking at our website's Cable Academy. It is something we are constantly improving.
installed two RJ45 connectors on brand new CAT6 cable....the POE works but no internet traffic ( no ACTY light showing on switch ) swapped in a CAT5e patch cord POE and ACTY light show it is working. Looking for suggestions on what to look check simple test equipment shows all 8 wires are ok. changes connector at each end three times with no change
Hello! Well, considering the PoE appears to be passing (but data does not) and your wire map tester passes the cable, the next item to consider is the overall quality of the termination. At first glance it sounds like a conductor color order issue (mis-wire or short) but since your wire map tester is telling you "straight through" this just became a lot more difficult to diagnose. Wire map testers will check basic conductor order and conductivity but won't reveal anything about performance. Essentially the plug is ill fitting just enough to cause performance issues yet still pass a wire map test, which I have seen before. If you are using trueCABLE plugs or cable please contact us at www.trueCABLE.com and use our Contact Us form so we can get some pictures of the terminations. Thanks!
at 3:56 you mention you can't get the load bar all the way up against the Jacket, but in fact I have been getting the load bar all way up against the jacket. I have been doing that for years with tripplite RJ45's that are identical to yours that you demonstrating. In fact I am not sure how you are able to maintain a gap betweent the load bar and jacket when pressing the load bar into the RJ45. Maybe by applying pressure to the jacket with your fingers as you insert the bar in RJ45? It just seems like the jacket is not tight enough against the pairs to prohibit it from sliding forward as the bar is inserted into the RJ45. anwyays, I have been making terminations without issues, with this style you are demonstrating for years, with the jacket jacket up against the load bar and have wondered if there is any issues with this. I do notice the jacket resting up against the load bar may be casuing a very tiny amount of pressure on the termination that worries me a little.
Hello! Our load bar and plug combination is a bit different than others. Often it is not possible to get the load bar all the way to the jacket, and you really don't want to do that anyway. By pushing the load bar all the way to the jacket you place undue tension on the load bar and that will affect the stability of the termination. I recommend about 3/16" of space between the load bar and cable jacket. You will still achieve and exceed the 1/2" max untwist requirement for terminations and not place undue stress on the golden contacts after terminating the plug. Hope this helps!
Is the fluke test really necessary? I just use careful visual inspection and one of those noname brand patch cable testers you can get on amazon for $7 that just tests the continuity and order of the 8 wires. Whats the chance itll pass the noname brand and visual inspection, and fail the fluke? I dont need to IEEE certify my terminations.
Do you make cables for a business? Does your reputation and customers depend on your cable functionality? If yes, I suggest investing in a proper tester. If not, eyeball it, hook it into a switch, hook a laptop into the switch with a known good cable and a laptop to the new cable and use a tool like iPerf to test the real world performance. If you use passthru connectors, a good quality crimper, and good quality cable (all of which I believe TrueCable sells, I've been happy with their connectors and boots and crimper so far), you'll probably do fine.
@@BrownR87 eyeballing it is fine. You make sure the ends are 100% over the blade ends, make sure the order is correct, make sure plenty of outer jacket is inside the connector, and crimp. Inspect and test with a cable tester. Those $500 fluke testers are a waste of $. Just never use pass through connectors. They leave the copper ends exposed and emf can be a problem in av applications.
@@Henry_Jones why would the exposed end matter? Normal rj45 connectors aren't shielded at the tips, so whether the wire hangs out another fraction of a mm really shouldn't matter. The closed plastic end isn't blocking any RF.
Henry, if its a hobby, no. If its for internal or external business YES. You'd be foolish to not test each and every jack unless you get premades. I will say this after 35+ years of experience in IT, the moment you lower your standards, it shows in not only your work but your work ethic. Don't cut corners.
Hello Geo! 350 feet is beyond the 328-foot maximum, and worse yet that 328-foot maximum is predicated on 68 degrees F ambient temperature. Considering this cable is running outside, you may well be limited further by temperatures. All warnings aside, the cable will still likely work, but it may be limited to 100 Mb/s as opposed to 1 Gbp/s. You won't really know until you install it and test it. As for the terminations, I would STRONGLY suggest using field termination plugs at both ends if you are essentially creating one long continuous patch cable. Hope this helps!
Hello! Load bar style standard (solid nosed) connectors are very handy when dealing with thicker Category 6 and especially 6A Ethernet cable where a spline is often used. The load bar staggers the conductors and keeps them in position when inserting the assembly into the rear of the 8P8C. It is like a third hand. I will switch between standard solid nosed straight across plugs, standard solid nosed load bar plugs, and passthrough plugs moving between cable types as ease of use/physical compatibility becomes a factor. Hope this helps!
He Si Anon! You are not alone in your experience. Solid copper Ethernet cable should be installed "rack to jack" which means patch panel to keystone. Putting on an RJ45 connector should be limited to a single end of a drop and only in cases where you need PoE to a device like a WiFi AP. That all said, you must have the proper fitting connector for your cable to achieve success, and that is where the problems can really come in. trueCABLE carries RJ45s that have been specifically performance and fitment tested for our cable, but when you start mixing brands of cable and RJ45s that have not been vetted out together, you just signed up for a lot of potential trouble. Even with the proper fitting RJ45s, you should still restrict your use of them to a single end of a drop and only in circumstances that demand it. The only time most professional installers see an RJ45 is when they are pre-terminated onto a factory-made patch cable.
@@trueCABLE These were crap even with cat5e stranded so there goes your theory. They always misalign and cause errors. I can terminate pretty much any cable from any company with normal RJ45 plugs. These 2 piece things are not fit for purpose. If so many people have issues with them then there is only one point of failure.
@@SiAnon Hello again SI Anon! Well, from what you described, it sounds like the particular load bar-style plugs you were using were very poorly designed. Either that or the cable and plug fitment was not within tolerance on the insulated conductor diameters. Not all load bar plugs are designed the same. Ours is quite different. I have quite a bit of Fluke DSX-8000 MPTL and PCA test data to back up my assertions, so I am not working from a theory. Of course, you may also opt for passthrough-style plugs, but again, the cable and plug MUST properly fit each other; otherwise, you will get the same results- shorts, and miswires. Of course, passthrough 8P8C plugs have their own set of challenges apart from this discussion, but that is another video and blog. We actually have that blog, Terminating Pass-Through RJ45 Connectors onto Solid Copper Ethernet Cable -- A Really Bad Idea?. You may find that blog enjoyable! There is extensive background information on 8P8C fitment, the issues, and best practices as well. - Don Schultz, Senior Technical Advisor Fluke Networks Certified Copper/Fiber CCTT BICSI INST1, INSTC, INSTF Certified
@@trueCABLE Don thank you for being clear as when I use Facebook and im part of installer forums its often frowned upon when people use pass throughs and we of course see horror stories, videos, pics of people with bad installs. I'm still a novice installer and basically learning as I go. I am a IT Director and have been trained and accredited but as far as structured cabling goes, man we spent maybe 1-3 days in my entire time in college doing it. That was well over 20 years ago. I started working in enterprise environments and never had to deal with anything like this. I converted over from being an analyst to an administrator and typically being the only person on site with minimal help from MSPs and contractors. I can definitely say after dealing with many many hands in the pot perse, you are 100% correct in that standards should be used to ensure consistency. At my company we aren't consistent. We are scrappy. We are rushed and always in a get things done mood. Unfortunately it's not professional as much as people might beg to differ. Like I'm thankful I've had some level of sense to use social media to learn what school didn't teach or we just skimmed over. No one ever told us you'd be dropping 100 lines into a business and how to do that from start to finish.
Hello! Agreed, and that is something we can look into. The cost to do that may be prohibitive, however. Although adding color coding would seem trivial, it requires additional equipment and potentially tooling.
@@trueCABLE the only other issue I have had is with some cables or when re-terminating a older cable the cable wants to slide in the jacket when putting the load-bar into place this could be down to the gauge of the cable and or its insulation as the fit is friction but other then that these work well.. being a bit gentaler with the finkinky cables seems to todo the trick but its a balence between getting the loadbar seated and not pushing the cable so hard that it binds up and moves in the jacket maby consider a loadbar with a longer design that can grab onto the jacket to prevent it from sliding around... but I am being nitt picky
@@rjc862003 Hello! Sorry to hear of your troubles. It sounds like some of your cable's insulated conductors are a bit on the thicker side and you are at the limit of the load bar. Ideal fitment of the load bar is achieved with insulated conductors ranging from 1.00 to 1.13mm. Check your cable's specs and see if you can run down the conductor insulation diameter. The answer is probably there. Also, if this is not the issue would you please contact us at www.truecable.com/pages/contact-us and include some photos of the issue? Thanks!
@@trueCABLE don I have a question if as a customer we tell you our project and application we think we need, do you have a way to immediately tell us the proper items to order? Like if I say I want to install 10 drops inside a small office, do you guys have it down to a science yet to help the customer quickly decide? Thats typically been my issue I've seen every time I've had to dabble with structured cabling, it tends to be a LOT more than what the MSPs were telling me lol. I truly do respect companies that full time do structured cabling as you can immediately tell the difference in the quality of service and installation. I've got materials from my last 5 installs that are all different name brands from cabling to tools. In some cases it doesn't matter but the more I get back to the cables and jacks yea it's starting to matter.
@@kristopherleslie8343 Hello Kristopher. We don't spec out installations for liability reasons. Each installation is "its own animal" and each one looks different to varying degrees, making it impossible to come up with a "cookie cutter" structured cabling system in a box. Without being on-site to do a proper site survey we, unfortunately, can only offer limited assistance in this area.
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Nice video, was very helpful helping refresh me on good technique of making terminations. I purchased all my cable and accessories from you for this home upgrade. While I'm a retired Test & Measurement electrical engineer and very familiar with RF/Microwave/Networking your Cable Academy has been an excellent way to bring current basic skills needed for this home project. I would ask that you update within your website links and search capability for these videos. I only found the video by reading a white paper that you had which included a link to videos.
Hello Phil! I am grateful you find our videos and blogs useful. We appreciate your feedback about searchability and better backlinking at our website's Cable Academy. It is something we are constantly improving.
Do you need your specific true cable crimper for these? or will my klein or any crimper work?
Hello again! Any standard 8P8C crimp and termination tool will work for these standard plugs.
Second !! & Sharing ! We need to get Don a better mic!
Or a few blankets to hang on the walls to stop the echo
Does the crimper actually crimp through the load bar or should there be small amount of cable wires stick out at the front and they get crimped?
Hello Dee. The crimper does indeed crimp through the load bar. That is what makes these plugs so unique!
installed two RJ45 connectors on brand new CAT6 cable....the POE works but no internet traffic ( no ACTY light showing on switch ) swapped in a CAT5e patch cord POE and ACTY light show it is working. Looking for suggestions on what to look check simple test equipment shows all 8 wires are ok. changes connector at each end three times with no change
Hello! Well, considering the PoE appears to be passing (but data does not) and your wire map tester passes the cable, the next item to consider is the overall quality of the termination. At first glance it sounds like a conductor color order issue (mis-wire or short) but since your wire map tester is telling you "straight through" this just became a lot more difficult to diagnose. Wire map testers will check basic conductor order and conductivity but won't reveal anything about performance. Essentially the plug is ill fitting just enough to cause performance issues yet still pass a wire map test, which I have seen before. If you are using trueCABLE plugs or cable please contact us at www.trueCABLE.com and use our Contact Us form so we can get some pictures of the terminations. Thanks!
@ I installed “no tool jacks “ on each end then used 1ft patch cords …POE and data traffic started working immediately . Thank you for replying. 😎
@@philc824 Hello and you are welcome! Glad to hear your installation was successful!
at 3:56 you mention you can't get the load bar all the way up against the Jacket, but in fact I have been getting the load bar all way up against the jacket. I have been doing that for years with tripplite RJ45's that are identical to yours that you demonstrating. In fact I am not sure how you are able to maintain a gap betweent the load bar and jacket when pressing the load bar into the RJ45. Maybe by applying pressure to the jacket with your fingers as you insert the bar in RJ45? It just seems like the jacket is not tight enough against the pairs to prohibit it from sliding forward as the bar is inserted into the RJ45. anwyays, I have been making terminations without issues, with this style you are demonstrating for years, with the jacket jacket up against the load bar and have wondered if there is any issues with this. I do notice the jacket resting up against the load bar may be casuing a very tiny amount of pressure on the termination that worries me a little.
Hello! Our load bar and plug combination is a bit different than others. Often it is not possible to get the load bar all the way to the jacket, and you really don't want to do that anyway. By pushing the load bar all the way to the jacket you place undue tension on the load bar and that will affect the stability of the termination. I recommend about 3/16" of space between the load bar and cable jacket. You will still achieve and exceed the 1/2" max untwist requirement for terminations and not place undue stress on the golden contacts after terminating the plug. Hope this helps!
Is the fluke test really necessary? I just use careful visual inspection and one of those noname brand patch cable testers you can get on amazon for $7 that just tests the continuity and order of the 8 wires. Whats the chance itll pass the noname brand and visual inspection, and fail the fluke? I dont need to IEEE certify my terminations.
Do you make cables for a business? Does your reputation and customers depend on your cable functionality?
If yes, I suggest investing in a proper tester. If not, eyeball it, hook it into a switch, hook a laptop into the switch with a known good cable and a laptop to the new cable and use a tool like iPerf to test the real world performance.
If you use passthru connectors, a good quality crimper, and good quality cable (all of which I believe TrueCable sells, I've been happy with their connectors and boots and crimper so far), you'll probably do fine.
@@BrownR87 eyeballing it is fine. You make sure the ends are 100% over the blade ends, make sure the order is correct, make sure plenty of outer jacket is inside the connector, and crimp. Inspect and test with a cable tester. Those $500 fluke testers are a waste of $. Just never use pass through connectors. They leave the copper ends exposed and emf can be a problem in av applications.
@@Henry_Jones why would the exposed end matter? Normal rj45 connectors aren't shielded at the tips, so whether the wire hangs out another fraction of a mm really shouldn't matter. The closed plastic end isn't blocking any RF.
@@BrownR87 moisture can affect signal. Ive see it happen first hand. If its used for AV dont use pass through.
Henry, if its a hobby, no. If its for internal or external business YES. You'd be foolish to not test each and every jack unless you get premades. I will say this after 35+ years of experience in IT, the moment you lower your standards, it shows in not only your work but your work ethic. Don't cut corners.
I am running on a beach home a length of 350 cat6 what type ends connection you recommended me
Hello Geo! 350 feet is beyond the 328-foot maximum, and worse yet that 328-foot maximum is predicated on 68 degrees F ambient temperature. Considering this cable is running outside, you may well be limited further by temperatures. All warnings aside, the cable will still likely work, but it may be limited to 100 Mb/s as opposed to 1 Gbp/s. You won't really know until you install it and test it. As for the terminations, I would STRONGLY suggest using field termination plugs at both ends if you are essentially creating one long continuous patch cable. Hope this helps!
Thank you for your advice
@@geoescobar2131 You are welcome Geo!
@@trueCABLE I live in alabama, it gets hot/cold/wet here year round any suggestions on future cabling needs?
When would you use a load bar? What is it used for?
Hello! Load bar style standard (solid nosed) connectors are very handy when dealing with thicker Category 6 and especially 6A Ethernet cable where a spline is often used. The load bar staggers the conductors and keeps them in position when inserting the assembly into the rear of the 8P8C. It is like a third hand. I will switch between standard solid nosed straight across plugs, standard solid nosed load bar plugs, and passthrough plugs moving between cable types as ease of use/physical compatibility becomes a factor. Hope this helps!
Thanks for doing this vid-
BUT I really think it could use some close-ups. Those load bars are tiny! (Maybe an animation would do better?)
Hello! That is good feedback. Thanks!
Always had nothing but problems with these types of plugs. Most of the time they don't crimp down properly.
He Si Anon! You are not alone in your experience. Solid copper Ethernet cable should be installed "rack to jack" which means patch panel to keystone. Putting on an RJ45 connector should be limited to a single end of a drop and only in cases where you need PoE to a device like a WiFi AP. That all said, you must have the proper fitting connector for your cable to achieve success, and that is where the problems can really come in. trueCABLE carries RJ45s that have been specifically performance and fitment tested for our cable, but when you start mixing brands of cable and RJ45s that have not been vetted out together, you just signed up for a lot of potential trouble. Even with the proper fitting RJ45s, you should still restrict your use of them to a single end of a drop and only in circumstances that demand it. The only time most professional installers see an RJ45 is when they are pre-terminated onto a factory-made patch cable.
@@trueCABLE These were crap even with cat5e stranded so there goes your theory. They always misalign and cause errors.
I can terminate pretty much any cable from any company with normal RJ45 plugs.
These 2 piece things are not fit for purpose. If so many people have issues with them then there is only one point of failure.
@@SiAnon Hello again SI Anon!
Well, from what you described, it sounds like the particular load bar-style plugs you were using were very poorly designed. Either that or the cable and plug fitment was not within tolerance on the insulated conductor diameters. Not all load bar plugs are designed the same. Ours is quite different. I have quite a bit of Fluke DSX-8000 MPTL and PCA test data to back up my assertions, so I am not working from a theory. Of course, you may also opt for passthrough-style plugs, but again, the cable and plug MUST properly fit each other; otherwise, you will get the same results- shorts, and miswires. Of course, passthrough 8P8C plugs have their own set of challenges apart from this discussion, but that is another video and blog. We actually have that blog, Terminating Pass-Through RJ45 Connectors onto Solid Copper Ethernet Cable -- A Really Bad Idea?. You may find that blog enjoyable! There is extensive background information on 8P8C fitment, the issues, and best practices as well.
- Don Schultz, Senior Technical Advisor
Fluke Networks Certified Copper/Fiber CCTT
BICSI INST1, INSTC, INSTF Certified
@@trueCABLE Don thank you for being clear as when I use Facebook and im part of installer forums its often frowned upon when people use pass throughs and we of course see horror stories, videos, pics of people with bad installs.
I'm still a novice installer and basically learning as I go. I am a IT Director and have been trained and accredited but as far as structured cabling goes, man we spent maybe 1-3 days in my entire time in college doing it. That was well over 20 years ago. I started working in enterprise environments and never had to deal with anything like this. I converted over from being an analyst to an administrator and typically being the only person on site with minimal help from MSPs and contractors. I can definitely say after dealing with many many hands in the pot perse, you are 100% correct in that standards should be used to ensure consistency.
At my company we aren't consistent. We are scrappy. We are rushed and always in a get things done mood. Unfortunately it's not professional as much as people might beg to differ. Like I'm thankful I've had some level of sense to use social media to learn what school didn't teach or we just skimmed over. No one ever told us you'd be dropping 100 lines into a business and how to do that from start to finish.
if you color coded one-side of the load-bar it would make it so much easier to keep it right side up
Hello! Agreed, and that is something we can look into. The cost to do that may be prohibitive, however. Although adding color coding would seem trivial, it requires additional equipment and potentially tooling.
@@trueCABLE the only other issue I have had is with some cables or when re-terminating a older cable the cable wants to slide in the jacket when putting the load-bar into place this could be down to the gauge of the cable and or its insulation as the fit is friction but other then that these work well.. being a bit gentaler with the finkinky cables seems to todo the trick but its a balence between getting the loadbar seated and not pushing the cable so hard that it binds up and moves in the jacket maby consider a loadbar with a longer design that can grab onto the jacket to prevent it from sliding around... but I am being nitt picky
@@rjc862003 Hello! Sorry to hear of your troubles. It sounds like some of your cable's insulated conductors are a bit on the thicker side and you are at the limit of the load bar. Ideal fitment of the load bar is achieved with insulated conductors ranging from 1.00 to 1.13mm. Check your cable's specs and see if you can run down the conductor insulation diameter. The answer is probably there. Also, if this is not the issue would you please contact us at www.truecable.com/pages/contact-us and include some photos of the issue? Thanks!
@@trueCABLE don I have a question if as a customer we tell you our project and application we think we need, do you have a way to immediately tell us the proper items to order? Like if I say I want to install 10 drops inside a small office, do you guys have it down to a science yet to help the customer quickly decide?
Thats typically been my issue I've seen every time I've had to dabble with structured cabling, it tends to be a LOT more than what the MSPs were telling me lol. I truly do respect companies that full time do structured cabling as you can immediately tell the difference in the quality of service and installation.
I've got materials from my last 5 installs that are all different name brands from cabling to tools. In some cases it doesn't matter but the more I get back to the cables and jacks yea it's starting to matter.
@@kristopherleslie8343 Hello Kristopher. We don't spec out installations for liability reasons. Each installation is "its own animal" and each one looks different to varying degrees, making it impossible to come up with a "cookie cutter" structured cabling system in a box. Without being on-site to do a proper site survey we, unfortunately, can only offer limited assistance in this area.
Audio is really bad.
Our wireless mics failed for this series of videos, however we have new mics ordered so future videos will be all good!😁