THE TIM MCLEAN CASE
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2018
- Today's true crime video is on 22 year old Tim McLean from Canada.
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the saddest part is, Tim was awake and screaming, and watched everyone else get off of the bus and leave him :(
I know right it gives me chills. I can’t imagine it.
I can’t imagine being Tim being abandoned while being attacked and screaming for help
Roxanna Liban true but...
I guess they were so shocked in the moment and when you’re so traumatised your mind doesn’t really function properly so I presume they were kind of frozen to the spot and panicked their actions.
@@gracerobertson6132 *_*you're_* & *_*their_* .
Jay Coleman what do you mean? 😂
Can you imagine being locked on the bus with the man stabbing you? Absolutely horrific. So sad.
What tim looked like after wards was horrible
Maiya Bonner u saw a pic
Hello World there’s no pictures
Exactly why I'm scared for my field trip to Saint Louis at the end of the school year
@Mia Ross Go to Reddit
I get that tasers are illegal in Canada, but wouldn’t it make sense that certain professions get to carry them, LIKE BUS DRIVERS. There are high risk professions that need extra protection.
Agreed. My parents both drive for the TTC and theyve told me so many scary stories. My mom saw a man beat a dog at one stop and my father saw a man be shot 😔
@@Kenziieann what does TTC stand for?
i would do it anyway i dont gaf
It doesn't really make sense
As a Canadian this case has always appalled me. I'll never understand how they could have let him out. At the very least he should have been an institutionalized for life.
i want to know why
i want to know why
I am a critic of our system, but we don’t continue to imprison people based on how the population FEELS…it is years of therapy and medication, many experts, years of small steps, I have worked in such an institution. and he would not be let out without secure plans and court ordered medication. He didn’t simply stroll away into the ether. He will be watched for the rest of his life. Not defending the system, just the way it is. Courts only focus on facts not vengeance. Living with what you have done, once on proper medication, is the worst punishment.
@@Dee-JayW yea I’m sure he’s living with that he has done lol you fool
@@Dee-JayW great take
"that could've been my son" chills.
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You son is Chills? That guy with the voice?
@@binlaughin2623 ok
@Chandu dude she’s talking about what tims mum said , not her
@@rubierose1690 lol...
May Tim McLean rest in peace in heaven. This is such a sad heartbreaking case.
R.I.P
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Honestly this is the most brutal case I‘ve ever heard about. Its like the devil itself killed this poor guy.
It's not as brutal as the Junko case
@@Baldjotarokujo You shouldn’t compare. Both is brutal and such horrible crimes committed by monsters.
@@DrFumiya or people who have a serious mental problem
@@Baldjotarokujo both are bad, dont compare them
@@Ruby-mr2wg I’m not
i cant imagine what Tim was feeling in his final moments. This case makes me so sad. May he rest in peace.
this type of random act of violence is the reason why i dont trust ANY stranger
do u have friends...lol
strangers are obviously different than friends 🙄
The man who committed the murder suffered from schizophrenia and was never given the proper medications
@@grayskindablue every friend starts off as a stranger?
flower child trueeee!
I can’t believe he’s free. He should’ve been locked up in the psychiatric hospital for life.
Goodlies he needed to be put down. If you can brutally stab then EAT a man you don’t deserve to breathe the same air as the rest of us.
Even IF he got on medication and was a COMPLETELY changed person, who isnt dangerous at all, who the hell is going to make sure he takes the medicine?!
Canada dose not have the death penelty. ( I'm Canadian) You can also kill someone and get out in 10 years. You can abuse a child, and never serve jail time. I know, I am a survivor. Our justice system is often extreamly lacking.
Canada needs to get its shit together
Exactly. He should have to take some responsibility. It could easily happen again and he should never ever be free
I pray that Tim didn't feel it after a while. After being stabbed so many times I hope adrenaline kicked in and then he eventually passed out, or his nerve endings were severed. otherwise, I cannot imagine the fear and agony he experienced, I don't blame the bus driver and passengers for fleeing and locking the bus but Tim must have felt completely abandoned and miserable and alone and afraid. I cannot imagine, this is just horrific.
I’ve read when you’re stabbed you usually don’t feel it because of the horrifying shock
The fact that no one tried to help him and he streamed for help while everyone ran even someone coming back to save others but none of them helped him. It breaks my heart.
Also as someone who lives in the states bordering Canada I don't think I ever plan on going to ride the bus 😳
Yeah, the man's head was chopped off, and nobody did anything. What a damn shame!
I feel so uncomfortable. I live in Canada, and I feel like I've seen this man before. This story gives me chills, and i personally think he should have not been released.
Elizabeth Schuyler ‘Hamilton omg be careful
@@TheWolfDucky he still murdered and beheaded him. A person like that should never get out
@@TheWolfDucky Bro he murdered someone infront of people, kids. Personally think he should of been locked up for Justice for Tim. Also he could of made up the schizophrenia.
@@rubycollison8915 Schizophrenia isn't something that can be made up. There are forensic experts who specialize in psychosis, so it's unlikely psychosis hit him after the murder was committed. It's also important to note that schizophrenia is a brain disease with structural AND chemical differences in the brain. It's really not a choice to become psychotic. If you were to develop schizophrenia, there would be BIOLOGICAL forces that if left untreated would make you eventually believe things as crazy as Tim McAllen (delusions). Brain scans of psychotic people show that they process false sensory information (hallucinations) the same way they process reality. Also, there's an interview of the man who killed Tim online, and he seems genuinely emotionally distraught and said he cannot experience joy because of what he did. I don't think he would have killed McLean had he not been a victim of this terrible brain disease.
On the other hand, I get the emotional response to wanting him locked up. I myself am a schizophrenic, and I've NEVER been violent or even aggressive during a psychotic episode. So I don't even fully appreciate this man being free, because violent psychosis is not something I've experienced either. It's a common misconception that most schizophrenics are violent, but violence towards others is rare. Self Harm is common however.
Furthermore, it's not like the man who killed Tim McAllen is probably doing well even if he is not as broken from this situation as he claimed to be. Schizophrenia is more than psychosis. Its having a compressed cerebral cortex, less ability to feel pleasure, apathy, less ability to connect to others, cognitive impairment, and external and self-stigma (If you have schiz, listen to your doctor about how it affects you and not someone on youtube. Schiz. is a syndrome). I'm happy and doing well (minor case of schiz.), but my point is most schizophrenics have shitty live's and don't even work.
It is possible that bashing NGRI people as the public often does (even including his new name in the video) contributes to that stigma, which in turn puts less emphasis on awareness and funding and therefore a cure and prevention instead of neurodegenerative anti-psychotics that only attenuate psychotic symptoms will take longer to get here... and more incidents like this will keep happening in the meantime.
@@TheWolfDucky Well thanks for the response. You went into a lot of detail jeez. Sorry if i upset you I'm just saying he should of got longer than 7 years. Also he could get into another episode which is a bit scary when you think about it. I know he couldn't help it but if everyone wasn't locked up for there actions the world would be broke.
The fact that he paraded around the bus with body parts like it was a trophy is enough for me to think this guy deserved so much worse than the sentence he got.
It makes me sick >_
I can't believe he is free...it's only a matter of time before he does it again! believe me!
Agreed
Idiot
Wasnt he a schizophrenic? If he gets treatment, and continues with it
If he gets proper treatment and they keep checking on him to make sure he takes his meds, its gonna be OK
@@somethingsqueeky8435 are they going to “force” him to take his meds? If not then he can easily stop taking them and do it again. You’re an idiot. He’s animal that should be put down. His life is not worth him doing that to someone else.
That’s the last time I let someone sit next to me on a bus 😐
The only people I'm letting sit next to me on the bus from now on are my boyfriend or best friend that I've known for years now, both of whom are very mentally stable.
Quite honestly, I'm a pretty anxious person and I have used public transport a lot, including these horrible overland buses (that are often so full that you HAVE to sit beside someone). If somebody sits down next to me unprovoked, when there is enough space, I make an excuse to get out of my chair and I am TF out of there faster than you can say 'paranoia'. I don't ever risk it - I've seen drug users sit down opposite me who were talking to themselves. I don't wait for them to become psychotic and decide I am the great satan. I just leave.
What bus? Bruh
Nobody on the bus even TRIED to help him!?!?
Heighton 720 I agree, but at the same time what could they do? Tell him to stop?
@@brina5064 honest to god, FACTS!! There is actually no excuse why he wasn't helped, ESPECIALLY when someone saw him pull out the knife and could've easily asked for back-up to collect the man and hold him until the bus stopped. The act was senseless and the mob mentality was the worst part of this story.
Equally this man was clearly dangerous people were probably scared since this man exhibited strange behaviour before hand
If you have nothing to defend yourself then I bet you would of left too. I would if I didn’t have a gun to use from far away. I wouldn’t try to get near someone who could kill me. They wanted to help but they also had kids to protect.
Heighton 720 Even if they did try to help, what would happen to them, Tim was going to die anyways and trying to help him will end up in both of you dying.
The fact that he was analysing people makes me feel that he was seeing who he thought was best to kill... so sad
Guessing Tim was the strongest and would have protected anyone on that bus
Exactly. Which is why I'm so pissed the guy is free. He was obviously coherent enough to scope out the bus and find a target to kill. Sick.
Nope. His schizophrenia was telling him that he had to kill and eat the man next to him or something bad would happen.
Lehoe that is not what schizophrenia is. it does not make you kill
@@keiralouisebowtell9232 Unfortunately it is. but it's RARE. since majority of diagnosed Schizos have tendency to hurt themselves more than others but there are cases that they would try to kill someone especially those who are undiagnose when they are in state of their delusion. and what's more there are cases of people that looks like they are possessed by an evil ententity but in reality they are actually Schizhophrenic. and if you watched enough crime news you will know that there Schizos that tried to kill someone without their knowledge because their delusion took over them just like that in the film "A Beautiful Mind" which based on Prof. John Nash which there is one scene where he almost drowned his baby in a tub full of water and left him there. and fortunately his wife had sensed something wrong and immediatly saved their baby. but i'm not justifying Li since I really wanted him to be lock up too since I'm afraid that he's threating behaviour would resurface again.
I think the police definitely should have taken action earlier with this
Fr they had a whole swat team and watched him eat tim… couldn’t they of got on the bus & tazed him or something… they watched for 3-4 hours ..
This is the first case of yours that has truly brought me to tears. I live in Ontario, Canada, and I just feel like this could have so easily been me or someone I know. I take the greyhound all the time. I also strangely feel like I've seen Vincent before. This was chilling, may Tim forever rest in peace :(
Hello fellow ontarian!
All of these people claiming "I would've helped him, I would've subdued the guy with the big hunting knife", haha yeah right. Imagine being on a dark bus at night, possibly asleep and suddenly an insane person starts to stab a passenger and later proceeds to decapitate him. And you're trapped in the bus with this guy. You would have ran off the bus as soon as possible. Trying to disarm a crazy person with a knife isn't that easy, you would probably get hurt and possibly die too. Everyone is so damn brave sitting behind a computer screen. get off your high horse. It's sad that they couldn't help him but you can't blame them for not wanting to die.
sistinas88 exactly. While it’s a shame no one helped Tim, it’s a lot easier said than done. They were probably terrified, frozen in fear. Fight or flight is an intense thing, and usually flight wins.
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Yeah but you do have to realize if you were on the bus you did have tons of time before Tim was decapitated. Tim’s life could have been saved especially if it wasn’t in an area like that where no one wants to help anyone.
ChloiTrysToDoStuff he still would have died even if he wasn’t decapitated...he was stabbed over a 100 times. And they were on a highway. It took the police ages to arrive..paramedics would have been ages too.
Harry Leighton yes but I doubt he was stabbed that many times before 3 minutes which is plenty amount of time to help. I don’t know if they allow weapons on a bus or not because we have never been on one, but I do think that at least someone had a weapon and at least someone was strong enough to over power him even with the knife. I get the shock part but still.
imagine if tim didn’t get on the bus and let his friends pay for his flight instead
Then he'll be alive but Vince Li probably would've killed someone else though :/
@@ChloeBxoxo I don't think so, he sat down next to Tim because Tim was the only one who interacted with him
@@ChloeBxoxo but im guessing that because tim did that he thought that tim would kill him
It was all butterfly effect
That’s just life, no one knows which method of transport they’re gonna get stabbed to death on. Can’t do anything about that.
It's really sad that nobody helped him but let's be real. If it were me, I'd probably be too scared to do anything too.
I can relate. I’d like to think I would do something to help but you just don’t know until you’re in that situation. That being said I hope nobody ever has to be a victim or witness to that
I am from BC, Canada and I remember this day like yesterday. So heartbreaking. It was very difficult for me to take a Greyhound for years afterwards...RIP 😞
The doctors at his hospital need to be locked up if they think this man Vince li/will baker will actually stay on his meds and never harm someone again. He ate a PERSON. That is outrageous. Prayers for the McLean family.
Becuase of cuts to phsicyatric funding, in Canada, many people are out that should not be. You can abuse a child and not even get jail time. Our justice system is extreamly lacking unless you are rich.
@@iciajay6891 this is not b/c of cuts. you can make that argument for far lesser crimes but murder and cannibalisation? come on. he should be at the top of the list for reserved spaces!
canada is just a country that doesn't believe in death row / severe punishment, they believe in rehabilitation.
@@Lemon-wf7bz Not surprised
im sorry WHAT? FREE? LIVING ON HIS OWN? yet people are serving life for nonviolent drug charges. lmao.
Incredible ain't it
Welcome to Canada! On the bright side, their drug laws aren't as draconian as ours so, that's something. But if this was the US, his ass would still be in jail
what people like you dont realise is you get "life" for killing 1person usually, where as dealing/smuggling drugs will kill a lot more people over time, especially if they're doing it all there life, thats a lot of drugs, a lot of kids lifes fucked because of 1 person, I personally think killing 1 person is not as bad as selling any drug other than cannabis especially selling to kids.
That's an interesting perspective and I hadn't thought of it that way before, but I still don't think the drug problem will be solved by going after low level dealers, who are often selling drugs to fuel their own addiction. Where there's supply, there's demand, and it's not like these drug dealers are forcing anyone to take it. But these drug laws also seriously affect those who use the drugs too, with people going to jail for large periods of time for possession. I'm not saying it's right, but I don't think it's an issue that's solved by sending people in prison like we do.
I belive he was married with kids if I remember correctly.
This case doesn’t get the recognition as one of the most disturbing things to have every happened. This is the only true crime story that has every left a lasting impact on me
And I thought my last experience on a long bus trip was scary 😭 I was sitting at the back of the bus on a 5hr trip, I had done this trip many many times before, to the point I knew the drivers (different drivers for different Time slots) never had anything go wrong until the last time I was on it. So I was at the very back seat, because it’s a 3 seater instead of 2 so I could kind of lay down relatively comfortabley on it. Half way through the trip a man came and sat in the seat in front of mine, I immediately felt weird because the whole bus had many many seats empty but then I just assumed maybe he had wanted the back seat and because I was laying down it may have appeared empty. Anyway, he kept turning around and peering back at me and had this super strange look on his face, creeped me out heaps and finally after 15mins I told him to stop looking at me, this made him go into a rage he started aggressively telling me it’s a free country and he can look where he wants and he started telling me that “you shouldn’t be sleeping you shouldn’t be sleeping” (I wasn’t sleeping I was just laying down with my head phones in watching RUclips) anyway I got up and went to grab my things to leave and at this point he threw a full bottle of something at my face, the bottle was glass and it really bloody hurt got me straight in the eye/nose. So an immediate reaction I punched him straight in the face (I’m a skinny small girl) and that actually managed to knock him over, that’s when I realised he was intoxicated. I was crying at the same time from shock and grabbed my things and ran to the front of the bus which was full of basically elderly people. The driver was mortified, everyone had heard the end of our encounter. All the elderly women swarmed me at the very front of the bus, and all the elderly men formed a barricade around us. There was no reception to call police until we made it to my stop and this man actually tried to hop off at my stop and the bus driver refused to let him off and told him “too bad you can get of half an hour away and make your way back if this is really where you want to go” I actually know one of the other drivers very well and a few hrs later he rang me to inform me the police were called and the man was arrested at the next stop and he is banned from that bus line and every driver has seen security footage of him. Legit I thought that was a scary experience and now I see how much worse it could have been.
Oh my god I am so sorry
That’s awful, I hope you’re ok! It’s really nice that the elderly people and the driver protected you
No offense but I ain't reading all that... I'm happy for you though, or sorry that happened
I have no words..
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I feel so bad for everyone who had to see that happening, especially the children on the bus. Imagine being a child and seeing something like that I'd be scarred for life
Or imagine if this was your child and you were told how these people watched your son being mutilated and eaten.
4 Julz if you seriously think they are to blame then you’ve got issues. Life isn’t some action movie and the actual sight of a real stabbing is just pure terror. It was dark and a confined space so how can you blame them for going into a state of panic as anyone would. Everyone behind a screen like you wants to believe they would be the one to jump the attacker but that’s not reality and you yourself would most likely not be a hero. The one to blame is the sick fuck who stabbed and ate a man not the innocent families who had to wake up to darkness, screaming and terror. You know how tiny the middle aisle of a bus is how on earth do you expect anyone to fight off the attacker?? Use your damn brain and have some empathy
@@emilyh8212 Thank you for your input and please know my brain is functioning just fine. Maybe I have more guts than most people...cuz I personally would do what I could to help. I mean...dang...if this was happening to you... wouldn't you hope someone would help. Maybe actually now my brain isn't working cuz I can't comprehend a reason why you wouldn't. I mean seriously...if this was you or someone you knew... would you have just gotten off the bus? 🤯
4 Julz having never been in that situation I can’t say what I would do with any degree of certainty and neither can you unless you’ve been in that situation. We all like to think we’d be the hero and that we’d be so brave and do anything we could but that just isn’t realistic. If it were someone I loved of course I would die for them but that is not a factor in this case since he was travelling alone. You don’t have more guts than most people, you’re just behind a screen with no grasp on the way human brains work in the midst of terror in a confined space. You are in no position to judge people by their fight or flight response when confronted with a maniac who has no mental barrier holding back their strength who also happens to be a few feet away from them in a space they can’t escape. It’s easily to speculate your response when the only material you’ve been fed on these situations is movies where the hero wins
@Michael P Goodness... My comment was from like a year ago. Regardless I never said that I could but I sure as Hell would have tried. But then again, I like to help people and I am not selfish. And when you say 'literally' that means literally, you do know that right? I could think of 5 things right now that could have at least been tried. Hmmmm 🤔
First video of yours that I have watched and I instantly became a fan. You are very talented at speaking and commentating. Keep up the great work.
So this case has always been in my head since it happened. I had been taking a southbound Greyhound bus that started it’s journey in Edmonton the same day this broke on the news, when it was very few details and early stages of the incident… I was 15 and can’t remember why but I was only using wifi at the time so had to check in once I got to Calgary, no one on the bus had heard the news yet and I had no clue why Mom was freaking out so much…
Fast forward to listening to you tell pretty much exactly what happened gave me goosebumps… especially the part where his mum was saying the prayer for the family of the victim… just heartbreaking.
Thank you for putting in so much time and energy into researching the cases and presenting them in such a respectful way ❤
I keep seeing a bunch of comments of people saying how horrible it was that no one helped Tim, and I agree, but I think we should have more sympathy for the people on the bus. It's like how in a shooting, no one tries to attack the shooter, they just run. Most people probably weren't even thinking. The flight or fight response is strong, and most people tend to run when horrifying things happen around them.
trailerhomeboyfriend lol this is not me. I have a fight response xD
He didn’t have a gun though I understand people being scared, it must have been a terrifying experience but they should have tried to get him off Tim instead of just watching. However when you see something so terrible you just don’t know how you will react
Yes but there were also a lot of people and not one out of all those people did anything. 3 or 4 of the people couldve easily disarmed the guy and possibly save Mclean's life
Exactly. Tbh 99% of people who say they would have helped are lying. If this happened around me i know i wouldn't intervene, it's awful but i don't want to die too? I don't think that makes you a bad person, it could make you a coward, sure, I'll accept that, but still.
In a shooting, I'm running. I've got the space to get myself out of there. In an enclosed place? I'm stepping up and doing SOMETHING. It's a small space and I've got nothing left to lose. Whose to say this guy wouldn't come after me after cutting this guy up? Help or no help, you have a 50/50 chance.
It seems a lot of people seem to react the same way -- fight or flight. Flight when you can. Fight when you can't flight.
This is honestly one of the saddest cases I’ve heard, this poor innocent man was murdered so horrifically. I hope he’s resting well now😶😔
I’ve lived in Canada my entire life and have never even once heard of this case. It deserves way more awareness then it has
To everyone who wonders why nobody did anything to help him, let me tell you why. A month ago, I was traveling on a Greyhound bus from Minneapolis to Ames, IA to start my semester. I usually take these busses to and from school, because its a cheap way to get back home. Usually there are some shady people on the bus, but most of the time people are pleasant or minding their own business. Since COVID is happening, everyone had to sit spread out, so I was actually the one in back of everyone. We had passed the halfway rest area and made it a little way into Iowa, when I started hearing a man raising his voice for short bits. I had my headphones in, so I thought nothing of it really; I like to stay out of other people's business as much as possible. Like 10 minutes later, a man one seat behind him and kitty corner to me on my right, taps on the man's seat and asks if he's doing alright, and I swear right away the guy snaps his head back to glare at him. His eyes had this enraged but slightly out of control and helpless look, it kind of reminds me of that photo of Saddam Hussain as a boy. The guy then gets up, stands in the eisle in front of the other guys seat and yells at him from the back of his throat that he has the powers of God, and the man who spoke to him was a demon, and he wanted to "Punch him in the face." The other man actually acted very calm and just sat back and stared the guy in the eye.
I obviously did my best not to make eye contact or make the crazy guy notice me, but when I noticed I was the only one in back of these guys I started panicking in my head and thinking of what I could possibly do. I had seen another video on this case before, and it was in the back of my mind the whole time. Luckily, he was pretty skinny like a crack head, and I'm a pretty tall and moderately strong woman, so I knew in the back of my mind that I would probably be able to defend myself enough to escape if I had to. It also didn't look like he has any noticeable weapon. I was mainly worried, because I had just had an amazing 2 months with my family, and I didn't want them to worry. I still haven't told them.
Luckily, he was lazer focused on this other dude, calling him a demon and threatening him, and he didn't even look at me. There were too bus drivers on the trip, and one of them came back about a minute or two later and held on to the crazy guy, while the other bus driver pulled over and called the police. The drivers talked the guy down, and one sat back there with him. The only problem was, that they sat him right behind me, because that was the only spot. I was a bit worried he could reach over and choke me out, but he never seemed to know I existed. Its like his brain was completely focused on this one guy. After about 10 minutes, we stopped at the Mason City Airport, which is a common stop, only this time the bus waited for the cops to show up. After the bus drivers got off, I moved up about 5 seats to get away. They escorted off the bus, where thankfully he didn't make a scene. They sat him outside in the cold and it looked like they were trying to get through to him, all while he had this blank expression on his face. After about 10 minutes he started screaming again, so police put him in the squad car, and our bus left.
It was so weird, and really opened my eyes to how I would actually react in stressful situations. I'm so thankful it didn't get violent, because I would probably have nightmares. Anyway sorry for the novel, but that's how it went down. I'll never sit in the back again. I truly feel bad for this man and everyone on board that day.
What was the point in writing this?
@@Bigtiddiegof666 what is the point in you existing?
@@kayakat1869 There is no point, what about you?
u wrote a whole damn book
No offense but I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for you though, or I'm sorry that happened
This sounds so much like the plot for a horror movie its something you dont think could happen in heal life.
What the actual F*CK!! How can they let him go?! I would be terrified if I lived in Canada!
Savannah Hargis yeah but at least we can stay safe at school
Oh Yeah Yeah don’t get so offended 🙃. I would be extremely scared too if there was a murder in my country
Savannah Hargis are you going to act like there isn’t psychopathic killers in your country? I guess you should feel scared now
@@huskylluvr Except, he isn't a psychopath. He's a paranoid schizophrenic. He was in such psychosis that he cannot be mentally held responsible when he did it.
Pls help me I live in Canada
I've been watching your videos for weeks & this is the first time I felt like commenting. I'm literally on the verge of tears for that innocent young man. The fact that not a single man tried to help him in any way is heartbreaking & don't try to tell me otherwise.
Canada is a joke. The more mentally ill a person is, the more they should be kept away from innocent people, not vice versa. Time deserved justice. God this case is gutting.
Yes, it's quite literally gutting
I literally can’t stop watching your videos omg I’m addicted my husband is mad because I can’t leave my phone alone watching your videos KEEP UPLOADING
I SAW THIS TITLE AND SCREAMED THIS GUY LIVED DOWN MY STREET IM SO SURPRISED YOU’RE COVERING A CASE FROM MY HOME TOWN!!
I don't care!
Keira Wilson 62 people do.
Keira Wilson I care!
@@keirawilson5513 you apparently do if your replying to her💀
That's.....cool......... I mean it's depressing because someone down the street got murdered but still cool
I cant believe the police waited 4 hours to do anything if he had a gun i would understand but all he had was a knife they could have stun gunned him down. I feel desperately sorry for Tim & his family & also everyone who had to witness such a gruesome crime unbeleivable
They don't know if he has any other dangerous weapons such as guns
EXACLTYYY
(I am so so sorry i am just pissed off)
@@leeabennett12 they still could of done it
areeje Y RMP are a group of brainless, wimps. The have guns! The perp has a knife, shoot the bastard!
I am a personal friend to one of the police officers and trust me you’ll never understand, it’s easy to hear a story and thing about what you would have done differently but my close friend will never be the same, and still needs therapy, so don’t come at me with the “they could have done something” because they truly couldn’t.
I watched an interview about this case some time ago. Someone was interviewing a witness immediately after it happened (literally before police arrived). The poor dude looked so traumatized.
After watching the interview, I was wondering more about this case, but I saw little-to-no videos about what was leading up to the this tragedy. I’m glad I came across your channel- you do fantastic research & I’m currently binge-watching all of your videos lmfao.
A whole bus full of people. No one was willing to risk anything. I really hope I would have the courage to help in a situation like this.
This is the only true crime story that has ever chilled me. I’m genuinely shaking.
i live where it happened 😭
Same it’s so shaking
This and the Junko Furuta (44 days in hell) case, these are the only 2 cases that have given me true chills & keeps me shaking days on end. (Obviously theres more, but these two stick in mind)
There are more and worse crimes than this one, but definitely it's still a shocking case. Prayers to the victim and his family.
Why because it targets a man?
I've heard about this before. I'm Canadian and people would always joke by saying "Don't got on greyhounds, someone's head was cut off on one" And I never thought it was actually true. This case is terrifying and heartbreaking
Eleanor has no idea that her videos are helping me get my mind off of something im going thru rn.. and her videos ate the only thing i can watch like no other ytber no tv show like no. But her. I love u ellie.
Omg a Elenor Neale video I havent watched yet, that's rare. May Tim rest in peace and hopefully he is having a peaceful after life in heaven
Killer is free, living under a different name in the same city as I. But they say he’s ok as long as he takes his medication.... Super unsettling nonetheless.
ays sucks he goes by Will Lee Baker now and has no criminal record... fuck the Canadian Justice system
@@zanadupreskin1086 of course he doesn't, he has mental problems. He didn't know what he was doing.
@@Lilithly suuure, he didn't know that he was eating another man
@@stillcupid he was in a state of psychosis. He is schizophrenic. I am not saying that what he did was of any way justifiable, I am merely stating a fact.
Yeah hes okay til he stops taking his meds... terrifying
This is the worst true crime you have covered
Other than the one where Robert brutally tortured a little baby
Till junko furito or Victoria climbie
There all horrible but this one made me cringe like I was covering my ears
Kolar_ Kween sad thing is I live in Edmonton
Junko will forever be the worst one
I live in Canada not far from where this happened, Tim Mclean was only 3 months older than I am. I used to ride the bus like many people my age did back then. This case still rattles me deep down. Vince Li is now a free man walking the streets free in Canada and not forced to take medication. His doctors and psychologists said he is better now. If he kills again I think they should be charged with murder. Vince Li later changed his name to William "Will" Baker.... He is said to reside in Manitoba outside of Winnipeg.
I’m from Winnipeg, I never met Tim but we had a lot of mutual friends. He was a wonderful person from what I’ve heard! It’s horrible what happened to him and it affected everyone here so much, and now his killer is living mostly unsupervised in Winnipeg!
no case has ever made me feel as uncomfortable as this one i don’t know what it is about it
Probably cuz half his body was eaten😭😭
Erin Smith i relate to this a lot, i think i feel so uneasy knowing an innocent man spent his last moments being stabbed to death with a hunting knife by someone in a violent rage, while everyone around him left him to die and fled the scene - and then police and authority sat and watched him being eaten alive, it’s crazy how inhumane this case is
(as a side note) i don’t think anyone should’ve been expected to help him but i wish someone would’ve knocked out the attacker at least :( this case was so sad knowing he was just left for dead
I made the mistake of eating during this and I had to throw up... It is so sad to the victim and all those who witnessed..
I was thinking the same thing
You are killing with these uploads I have never heard of this case before
Libby Murray I’m guessing that pun was unintended haha
Imarii haha 😂 literally didn't think 😂
i am canadian so i am very familiar with this case. i live in ontario so i am not really close to where this happened. but i was about in grade 9 when this happened
That bus actually stopped in my town that night.
Its a crazy case..im from Winnipeg and its an outrage to everyone that vince is just living his fucking life normally. He ruined so many lives when killing Tim
I remember watching this being reported on the news when I was 8. It is such a disturbing case that i've never forgotten. RIP Tim McLean.
Ohhhhhhh as soon as you started this one I knew EXACTLY which case this was. I’m in Ontario, Canada (near Toronto!), and this case just rocked our whole country. It was so scary. He is so mentally ill and there’s so much controversy over this case. Many still think he should have went to jail for this. And many agreed he should be in a facility getting mental help. However, I think most would agree he should not be out in public and it’s very upsetting that he is. I feel so sorry for Tim’s family but also for the Officer who took his own life. What those witnesses and officers saw, you can’t un-see. Thanks for sharing Eleanor!!
May Tim McLean Rest in Peace. He was a kind-hearted young man and I'm sure there's a spot reserved for him in Heaven.
He's already dead
THE GUY WHO DID THIS IS OUT WALKING AROUND WITH A NEW NAME & WITHOUT CONDITIONS OR PAROLE the poor victims mother was pleading on the news for him to at least have a condition to take his medication so he doesn’t have another schizophrenic episode. But he has no conditions bc he was determined not criminally responsible. I lived in the same part of Edmonton as the killer @ the same time. I prob saw him at Walmart.
I feel disgusted by that. 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢 Why oh why is he out??? Damn
OMG this is why i want to move to canada. Not cuz its safer but in my mind it is...and ill lock myself in my house. (no joke)
Please please be careful i dont want you or anyone else to get hurt because of that man
He actually lives 30 minutes outside the city I live in. In a town called Selkirk. New name. Walking around the city like nothing has ever happened. It's scary
I'm an American so I know our courts aren't the best either, but good god Canada and their leniency towards extremely violent offenders is absolutely terrifying
I'm from Toronto, Ontario, Canada..
This case was one of our worst crimes in my opinion, I can't believe he is free to live his life, very scary and disturbing.
We love you over here Eleanor ❤🇨🇦
i’ve heard this story before from various true crime you tubers but every time they get to the part where tim’s mom says “that could’ve been my son” i get so overwhelmingly bone crushingly sad because we ALL think that when we see things like that on the news. and for her ... it was her son. i can’t even imagine it
I remember when this happened, it wasn’t too far from where I live. It was absolutely terrifying
Shevaun Feser agreed!
Right ! I remember it so well ... so so sad 😞
I lived in Winnipeg at that time! My ex's had a cabin right by his parents. I meant his parents once! It's crazy that a couple years ago now the guy was let out!
I remember this case even though I was young, 8 or something, I wasn’t too happy with what happened. It was in the US for awhile. It’s SUPER super sad though.
I grew up in canada. I remember ghost case as I had to go on the greyhound just a few weeks after it happened and it was terrifyingly stressful.
I actually passed by this scene, I was supposed to be on this bus but I missed it by 20 mins and had to catch the next bus, and our bus was a few hours behind this bus, we started to hear rumours already that someone had been stabbed and my mother was texting me like crazy thinking I was on that bus, and as our bus passed the scene the cops looked like zombies pure shock and ppl were sitting on the side of the road and everything was tapped off with yellow tape everyone looked so zombie like just blank staring, and Vince Lee is free living in Vancouver to this day, and this happened 15 mins away from my home
Gia Grace are u kidding me. I live literally IN VANCOUVER AND I DIDNT KNOW THIS. I’m literally terrified now I go everywhere alone, I take the skytrain (kinda like a subway) omg I literally could have seen this man and would have no idea.
@@hannahclark6983 yea he's been released the place he was kept in the hospital Selkirk was literally like 45 mins away from me and I'd see him out and about like he did nothing wrong I would get goosebumps and want to throw up when I would see him around😫
Oml I live in Edmonton absolutely terrified
Gia Grace thank god you didn’t get on that bus!x
Ohmygosh, I am so glad that you are okey! o.o That`s crazy.
I remember when I first heard about this case. It's stories like this that forever make me aware of my surroundings and when I'm on the bus I make sure I'm not sitting in a spot where I can be stuck easily. I stay as close to the driver as I can or I stand.
I'm a Canadian, and this case is genuinely terrifying to me.
Tim McLean didn't deserve to die in this way, and hearing his parents be so unaware that he was the one who died gives me the chills.
The fact that the monster who did that is free and could be basically anywhere in Canada at this very moment scares me.
I hope he'll never hurt anyone again.
I know it cannot be covered but there’s an 18 year old boy missing from my town at the moment and there’s news and social media appeals everywhere. His name is Tom Jones. Last seen in Worcester around 3.30am. Last pray to god that he gets home safe and sound x
Alice Jones yes i’ve heard of that:( x hope they find him!
Isabella Rose they made an arrest this evening for the suspicion of murder, I hope this is proven wrong and he’s found safe and sound. Prayers go out to his family x
Sadly he is no longer with us I’m from hereford he was found in the river😔
Update,,?
@@neshathompson7609 A body was found in the river Severn which was confirmed to be Tom. Two men were arrested on suspicion but released after they found no evidence. There has been nothing else to this story sadly, they found nothing in his post-mortem examination and never found the cause of death, although may he rest in peace.
The police didn’t confront him as it was dangerous... yet they had stun guns 🙄
@@Mimi-ip6vv it makes sense. The government even let him walk free on insanity plea, like what? He could do this again.
Right? They could've done so much, at least to leave Tim's body in tact and not yknow beheaded. The police work on this is so bad. Plus they let the guy go??? No thanks. Never going to Canada.
I don’t think the police could have done more without risking more than they wanted to, and tbh I put their lives before a body and people’s wish to get it over and done with. They are the brave people who deal with situations we don’t want to, so I’m not gonna sit here and diss them. One of them commit suicide, I mean what more do people need to understand they are only human and should indeed hold the right to only enter a situation when they know it will work
GamerTwig they were armed and had stun guns. When they actually used the stun guns the situation ended almost immediately. I respect their right to assess a situation and determine if it’s safe, but given how armed they were I don’t understand why they held back.
British police are hardly ever armed and are expected to tackle difficult situations or call for the armed unit for back up. My point being, in this case they were armed but they didn’t engage
Thegirlwiththewierdname 2 I know what you mean but it wasn't like they were just entering a bus that had some mad chav in it, he did something extremely horrific and he was unpredictable, they'd be wrong to enter without at least one hour to observe him, and if they needed more then ok. They are going into a confined space and they need to take time to see if he has more weapons, does he have patterns of behaviour, what is his body language, what is he doing, does he have a plan? They need to make sure he is all he seemed and was, not just assume it and be at risk of reading the situation wrong. I do get peoples point but it was such an odd situation,you couldn't write it! So I don't expect them to react perfectly because even with all the training in the world, they are just people with families doing a job and they wanna go home after
He does not deserve to be free. It makes me sick how many peoples lives he ruined. I hope everyone that comes across him know how disgusting of a human being he is.
Read about n watched videos of this story lots of times but it never ceases to creep me out...
The killer should've never been released out of mental institution. I don't understand how you can set free someone who did such thing. Only a matter of time before "God" orders him to do something like this again.
then you REALLY dont understand how mental illness can work. lets just lock everyone up and throw away the key. he was lying about it all? fucking rreally?
fucken loser no one said he was lying,he’s just extremely dangerous to the public,he may hear “god” again and kill someone else
fucken loser yeah let’s do exactly that
you'd really want to live around someone who STABBED an innocent man, a total stranger to death and then ATE him? go ahead, but a no no for me.
fucken loser if you knew anything about mental illness you would know that severe schizophrenics convince themselves that they aren’t sick and stop taking meds. And something WILL happen again. Whether or not it’s to the same degree is debatable but it’s a constant cycle unless they are forced and monitored to continue treated as needed.
Why the hell did no one attack the man as it was happening...when he was distracted. That's crazy that no one charged him or kicked him; tried to do something. Grab something heavy and hit the man. Not that I think it's anyone else's fault, I just can't imagine no one making an attempt. And for the cops to just allow this man to mutilate and eat this man is just no....Horrible.
That's what I was thinking id like to think I would have done something, like I get they Would've been terrified but I guess you wouldn't know what you would do unless you were in that horrific situation
THANK YOU. I'd never be able to live with myself if I just sat and watched someone be murdered In a crowd of people. They couldn't over taken him easily and stopped him before Tim was murdered
I was going to comment about that! I understand nobody else wants to get stabbed but come on, they are also 1% guilty for just standing there and watching this. If it was happening to them they would want someone to save them, but since it wasn’t they didn’t seem to care that an innocent man was being murdered in such a brutal and painful way.
Alot of times its called the bystander effect. No one acts because they think someone else will. With this it could have been that along with the shock and fear of seeing that happening out of no where on a bus. Instinct could have kick in and at that point its gonna probably go straight to self preservation.
daniella m I also thought that, but you also have to think about everyone being so shocked and thinking about getting themselves out before helping, also, from the discerption of the murder, I think people didn’t think he’d make it out alive since he was being stabbed repeatedly and without the attacker stopping, so it might have been more important to get people out of the bus than helping him.
But at the end the only people who could answer are the passengers, hell I even can’t tell how I’d react in a situation like that, so I don’t know how much we can pass judgment onto them, even if we know that we’d never live throughout the guilt.
Hi Eleanor, he still lives in Winnipeg Manitoba. I've seen him many times waiting at the bus stop when I get off work. I have to pass right by him while walking to my car. It's always terrifying, but I cant even imagine being one of the people on the bus he gets on. He has also come into my place of employment many times. Security watches him the entire time hes in the building.
The fact he was an angel on earth with lots of loved ones hurts even more 💔
y’all saying how no one helped him but i don’t think you would if a crazy ass dude was stabbing someone right next to you. imagine the witnesses seeing these comments, traumatized from the event, thinking it was their fault for not wanting to die. if y’all were in their shoes i guarantee your first reactions would be to get to safety as soon as possible. stop blaming other people for his death when the only person you can blame is his killer.
EXACTLY. Preach!
Yep 100%! Those witnesses still suffer with PTSD with no help
once you're in fight or flight, you cant do anything about it
@@p3bblez Except fight, or flee. It's just sad that ALL of these people chose to run. Not mad at them but it sucks that no one was there for Tim that day.
@@pretzelmaker3122 "chose to run" you literally don't choose what your instincts do. Smh have you ever been in immediate danger with someone or something trying to kill you? Shut your mouth if you can't run it well
If you want to look at his face one more time since you know that this man roams free now, his face is at 16:31
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He looks freekin familiar
I found his Facebook
DayDreamer TELL US
@@MA-tr4pe Will Baker his bio writes that he's looking for a friend and his profile pic is of him running, a marathon maybe.
As a person living in Canada- the chills just took over my body. Sheesh
I listen to true crime every day and this one got me. Truly a nightmare. I can't imagine that poor mans last minutes.
How could no one help Tim... so sad and disappointing.
People really tried. And he used the knife to barricade himself in with just Tim. People tried to take him down but his mania caused so much strength and he had such a large knife.
I know they were scared but multiple people could have thrown themselves at him and took him down. They shouldn't be expected to however so. Whatever.
Sara Guslov I’m sorry but you don’t know what you would do unless you’re in thag situation. People were probably terrified he was a terrorist and would stab them
Goodlies ive been in a situation where a person was attacked and I did step in. Scared me a lot but i still did it. It’s the right thing to do.
They pretty much just left him to die. That's honestly disgusting.
Love that you stated his new name. He does not deserve anonymity. EVER.
**Edit/Update**
Wow! Thanks for the "likes" and keeping the below discussions ultimately respectful especially with different perspectives! Thanks!
He really does
Eetie Eats
not at all
Vanilla Bean31 you’re not mentally ill you wouldn’t understand.
@@thebigripper5339 he literally beheaded and ate him...
Eetie Eats I am mentally ill... Diagnosed with several mental illnesses. Though mental illness can be a reason for his actions, it doesn’t change the fact that he is a danger to society. Of course it is sad that he is subject to such things in his mind but the facts are that he CAN do it again and EVERYONE deserves the right to know his past (ie he does not deserve anonymity) because he is potentially extremely dangerous.
This makes me not even want to go out anymore... the unpredictability of people is horrifying
@Eleanor!! Thank you for knowing how to say Regina! (Well we are cousins). I remember this case very clearly, sad and horrific, trauma unimaginable for people on the bus, Tim’s family and friends and First Responders and The Canadian Public! I have compassion for Vince Li due to the seriousness of his mental illness and have had 2 psychotic breaks myself. GOOD Mental health is difficult to access, I was on loads of different meds because I was misdiagnosed for 10 years. I do believe he was definitely NCR.
Hey girl, I live where this happened and I can tell you that there's still shock waves even now. A lot of people didn't use Greyhound afterwards and because I used to go between my hometown of Edmonton to Calgary weekly when I was 18/19 and I was not allowed to use Greyhound, only Red Arrow.
I would also like to say that Greyhound no longer runs in Canada, they closed down this past summer (2018) which gave a lot of people relief and it basically ended this massive trauma and the death of someone who didn't deserve it.
Maybe in your area? They still run Greyhound buses from Toronto at least!
Emma Loe are you sure it isn’t any other bus company’s still running? The greyhound company sold And closed down all services in October 2018 I thought ?
@@freedommarina8796 Nope! Greyhound still operates in Ontario. My dad informed me that they did indeed cut all their buses in the Calgary region
@@makeuppolice14 yes it was western canada that greyhound ceased operations in so i assume b.c/alberta/sask and manitoba
my great uncle was the bus driver. i can’t even imagine the amount of trauma he has from this experience. it gives me literally chills thinking about it and how my uncle actually experienced it. absolutely unreal
Dakota Wellman my mom was friends with him and I met him multiple times, this was definitely hard to watch
i’m so sorry
💙I am so sorry he had to experience this.
I seen a kid get decapitated when I was a kid and the image certainly has never left my mind, I'm 40 now and can still randomly see it like it was yesterday. It's one of the reasons I will forever support organizations that help combat vets with ptsd because I know the shit they saw for extended periods of times would make what I saw basically nothing in comparison (and I have never forgot it). I can't even imagine what so many of them around the world have to live with stuck in their minds haunting them daily.
@@510Redneck oh my goodness i hope ur okay now, may they rest in peace
Every single detail about this case gives me chills !!!
As someone who lives in Manitoba and lives in the same city as the killer, he lives not too far away from me. I gotta say, this absolutely terrifies me. He was released with a new identity and no probation conditions
why did no one try to pull the attacker off him this makes me so angry
I was thinking this when she was saying everyone escaped, confused why no one helped
There is this natural phenomenon that happens to people in groups in an emergency. People don't help others in a crowd. You are much more likely to be helped in small groups then in a larger group like on the bus.
I'd be too petrified personally..
That was my first thought too and it's easy to be frustrated but obviously you NEVER know what you would do in that situation, ever. If someone would've tried to stop him while Tim was still alive without a weapon they probably would've gotten severely hurt or could've died as well. And honestly when Tim was already dead and they did have a weapon they could've easily been in shock because the man WAS LITERALLY beheading him and I think it's a good thing and a miracle they could think clearly enough in that situation to barricade him in. So sad :(
georgia I KNOW!!
I don’t get why no one tried to help at the start. I couldn’t have just let someone get murdered
Exactly they could’ve stopped him
Eren Kaya it’s a bus almost full of people going against one guy, they could’ve stopped him
All you had to do was do a hard kick to the liver and he would be out. You would kick and punch him in the vital organs. It should put him out of it 😂 also how do none of these passengers not carry a weapon. XD
probably because of the absolute shock that someone is literally being murdered right next to you.
Its probably because they were shocked and their survival instinct was to get tf out of there.
Just discovered your channel and this story, but related (scary as hell) anecdote: So I worked at a Subway sandwich shop in Portage la Prairie in Manitoba. In late March/early April of 2017 a tall heavyset Asian man named Billy came in to apply for a job. I was a supervisor and heard about it from another employee as I came in later in the day to close. I was told he could not speak English or French with any level of clarity but his application was on the time desk. The communication would have disqualified him from employment but I checked it out anyway and his name was listed as Will Lee Baker. About 2 weeks later I saw a tv story about this guy Vince li changing his name to Will Baker. They were running a series of stories on tv about him because he was granted full discharge in Feb of that year. The name made me instantly think of the applicant so I called that employee and told her to look up vince li and she said it was him. She quit that day, I gave my notice the following day. He never called or came back in to check on the job. I never met him but I am still uneasy about it, I message often with my old co-worker over social media. She is still completely horrified from it.
Officially the last video of hers I haven't seen, how I've watched 2 years worth of true crime in like 2 weeks Is madddd
The Canadian justice system is a complete joke anyway. You get away with anything with just a slap on the wrist.
Sometimes I hate living here.
except for misgendering, lol. Canada is a joke.
Me too. Murder victims rarely get justice here.
Exactly, in my village theirs a creepy dude who's known for having set houses on fire and for being a pedo and just a creep in general. He only got like ten or so years even after commiting arson multiple times and for sexually asulting multiple women.
This was the dumb comment i was looking for. Yall just want to hang murderers and put mental patients in prisons thinking that it will make your land safer. You are devaluating life and misjudging mental patients
@@somethingsqueeky8435 We want justice, not a slap on the wrist. I'm sorry but mental illness doesn't excuse murder.
Definitely one of the sickest and saddest crimes you've covered on your channel :(
Can you imagine the people that had to recover what was left him and the trauma they went through seeing that
Like the moment someone starts hearing voices it would be good if they immediately got treatment to prevent stuff like this happening. Although the voices sometimes stop them from going to doctors. But they normally start of lower and less demanding so that is a good time . RIP to Tim ❤
I actually feel sick at the idea of this man free and around people that have no idea what he’s done
I watched this a few hours ago ... it’s been stuck in my head since. Imagine being on that bus, imagine if you didn’t get off the bus. It’s a scary and horrifying thing to think about
Being someone who takes these types of busses regularly, it is scary to think about. I mean, the first time i got on a bus after hearing about this case, a man I didn't know came and sat next to me. At some point during the trip he began muttering something in a different language. I politely asked him if everything was alright in a language i thought he might understand and he talked to me for a bit then stopped muttering. Even though I was on the lookout the entire time, everything turned out fine. I think he was just doing some kind of prayer.
I can't even imagine what Tim and everyone on the bus must have felt in the ultimate moment, and i truly feel for them. However, i do believe that the people who noticed the guy swinging back and forth and chanting should've at least tried to talk to him to try and see if he was okay (because it's clearly not a normal behaviour -- plus the guy could've been autistic or something and needing help) and, if no response, tried to ask the bus driver to stop.
Her hair looks so nice !
I know many will disagree with me but I think the system failed everyone in this situation. They failed Tim, every witness, and Will.
Had Will gotten proper care from a young age, this could've been prevented. But somehow someone with such severe signs of psychological issues was never noticed by authorities. The fact they didn't hold him accountable whatsoever, and didn't give him a criminal record, says a lot about how loosely they're treating mental illness in general. I think Will's name should be public so we can be on the look out, but I also think we should be looking at the system if anything and make sure it changes for the better. That's the only way we can prevent this from happening again.
I’m just as infuriated!! New name, new life?! No criminal record!!! OMG !
Fucked up. He's a monster. How are you going to let him out on the streets after that?
Im American but I'm sure the government keeps track of past aliases and crime so under the law he might have a new name but he's still a monster.
Imagine how many more are out there like this and married with kids and they never know...
@@Jadenmic yeah I agree, they shouldve kept him in a psychiatric ward for the rest of his life. But a monster?? Really? This man is really ill. You're probably one of those people who support mental health awareness but as soon as something like this happens you alienate snd ostracise him. I'm not excusing what he did and I'm so sorry for Tim and his family, but as someone who has had psychotic episodes before, you calling him a monster is really not it :/
@@rawrpunzel3826 Literally not all people with the same mental illness would even think of doing this
That's bs.. new identity.. and no records.. he's going to take more lives..
And no one is watching this lunatic. He might not even be taking his meds & another poor soul like Tim could be the next victim
@@LucyLioness100 could you tell me his new name?
Heeeellll nahhhh i watch cases all the time and i never actually get to feeling scared or the “chills“ but this... This omg
This story always gives me the chills...