Some years ago, my wife and I, and a police officer, and his lady, backpacked in the Wrangel-St. Elias Wilderness. I carried my Freedom Arms .454 revolver, with WFN LBT bullets, and high doses of H-110 powder. My wife carried a S&W M657 .41 Magnum, again, with WFN LBT bullets, and H-110. We both felt very well protected. We saw 9 Grizzly Bears, and one Black Bear, but had no problems with any of them. Believe, me, the large caliber revolvers offer a feeling of confidence. Yes, we practiced with each pistol before we left, and were confident that, if needed, we would stand a good chance of coming out alright. Personally, I would not trust a semi-auto to keep me safe, period! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc Mark
There is not a better built, or more accurate production revolver than an FA .454 Casull and it can and has efficiently killed the largest and most deadly animals on the planet. However, even as a .41, your wife's gun was better suited to personal protection of a grizzly; especially when you are in thick cover and cannot see a reasonable distance. The first shot is always the best you will get, so ensuring you are on target is critical and this is why familiarity is important. But if that first shot does not drop the animal, then your single action takes time to get that hammer back, then, adjust your grip and get back on target. Most grizzly attacks are at very close range where the individual saw the animal just a few seconds before being mauled. In that timeframe, you are lucky to get one shot off with the .454, where you wife can get 2-3, and the 10mm 3-5. It's good to feel confident, but I assure you, when you are enjoying the moment, and a grizzly busts, adrenaline hits and you are scrambling, which means your aim is likely not as good or easy while in the controlled environment of a range. With that .454, if you miss, you are lucky to get off a 2nd shot that while having a larger target, still may not put the bear on the ground even if you fatally wound it. Her double action is without thought, you pull it, aim and pull that trigger when ready, so while an inferior caliber, being a .41, especially with the hard cast bullets, is more than capable of putting down a bear. You often won’t get 6 shots off, so it is more than enough. A 10mm you have to draw, remove the safety if applicable and shoot. Familiarity is not just in comfort of shot and accuracy, it is about readying the firearm for use, and in that “stressful” situation, being unfamiliar means you fight the safety and your ability to get on target. However you can get hard cast bullets for the 10mm and where it is a hint below a .357 in power, with less recoil than the .454 or .41, and design, you are able to get back on target faster, more accurately and throw more lead. The video shows him unloading the magazine (maybe not literally, I did not pay that much attention), but tossing lead without having some control is not the way you would handle this, but instead a more controlled approach in making good shots, rather than tossing lead. If he makes it to 10 yards, then throw the bank at it, but otherwise your shooting should be controlled where you are attempting to get as many good shots as possible. This is really the only debate, but a viable debate as to why a 10mm “may” be better in bear defense. The fact you can have faster successive shots, less recoil and the ability to get on target faster, “can” make it better. He also mentioned something many people miss when it comes to bear or even moose attacks. You are not necessarily trying to kill them in the sense of hitting the vitals, but let’s face it, you have an animal charging towards you at 30+ miles per hour, so hitting the brain in what amounts to a moving baseball is not an easy shot, and often will be luck. You are not on a bench, you do not have the luxury of preparing yourself for the shot, breathing properly, etc. So, you are aiming for center mass, and even when fatally hit, the bear can still travel that distance and start to maul you before it dies. More shots have more chance of breaking a leg (as he also said), or doing otherwise damage that prevents the animal from continuing the attack. Situations vary which is also why depending on environment a .454, or even a rifle may be better. Many guides will often carry a shotgun in AK with alternating buck shot/slugs because it offers both crippling power, but also a spread of shot that just hits the bear potentionally hitting it in the face or legs where it can help stop the attack. So, there is no perfect choice that affords every situation. There is also the component of trying to avoid killing the animal. Well, maybe not in my example, but let’s say you see a sow with cubs at about 25 yards and she does not immediately start to charge, but shows nervous energy, or aggression, even a false charge. Recognizing the situation, she did not bust per being startled, so she is considering options, which means a couple warning shots may seal the deal. But now you only have 3 in your .454, and 4 in her .41, but certainly more than 8 depending on what 10mm you have. You are not as likely to fire a warning shot and waste your precious ammo with a revolver. As outdoorsman we obviously want to protect ourselves, but almost all don’t really want to shoot an animal either. In this example, it is clear this was not a predatory attack, a bear approaching you, or a bear with some form of issue as to why it is attacking you (outside of just startling it). So, you know this bear is not really a dangerous bear in the sense I just mentioned, and better to scare her and let her on her way since all she was doing is protecting her kids. Helps them learn humans are to be avoided as well. Don’t get me wrong, she continues coming like any animal, then its on like Donkey Kong. Anyway, I cannot argue against the FA gun as there is no better revolver on the planet. I have an 8 3/8” octagonal barrel I used for hunting, and a 4 ¾ as a sidearm and will never sell either. At a time the 4 ¾ was a very good option for bear defense, beyond dependable and yes, powerful enough to give you comfort that it can kill anything you run into. But technology advances and while a 10mm is still “underpowered”, the fact you can get on target faster, fire more rapidly and even have ammo left in the event the bear knocks you down and can grab the firearm again means it is a legitimate if not better option. There are some excellent 10mm pistols out there where dependability is excellent as long as you use good ammo and keep it clean. Remember, you are not necessarily trying kill the bear, just prevent the attack by putting him on the ground. Killing is a bonus.
@@BPRescue Huge thanks for your long and highly detailed reply to my original comments! Much appreciated! As the State in which I currently live, makes us go through a background check, every time we buy a box of cartridges, I'll not be buying any new firearms, or getting into different calibers, whilst I live here! When we finally move to a free State, I will do some experimenting, along the lines you suggested! Thanks, again, and God Bless! - Doc
I’m a big believer in shot placement . I’d be confident with a semi auto 10mm , vs a .500 s&w that sprains your wrist everytime you squeeze the trigger
Everyone talking about ammo capacity of the revolvers forget double rifles have been used for over a hundred years against dangerous game in Africa and that’s only two shots, it’s about choosing the weapon you can shoot the best and practicing with it.
True but wouldn't you say most big game hunters in Africa have back up shooters? I've never seen a group smaller than 5 hunters but I digress. I have no opinion on your revolver capacity comment.
Common sense isnt as common as men that think they can have babies in 2022. As someone else here said, and probably ddnt think thru vefore they typed it... EVEN IF they do have 2 backup shooters, are they willing to bet atleast 1 of the 2 arent carrying the same beast of a double barrel? 1 shot exactly where you need to place it, is worth more than any box full of 30rd mags sprayed with Hollywood form and accuracy. Yes capacity is also a good thing to consider, but throwing a javelin is always better than a box of toothpicks. I have a friend that giides bear and yes he had 15 rd capacity but he dropped it with his first shot so the extra 2lb was good for making his wife feel better but it sucked carrying it back while he was packin the bear out.
Great channel. I Sold my Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan 480. Great secondary brown bear protection to my Marlin 1885 GBL using 576 grain Black Butterfly @1400+fps. 480 Ruger Ammo is $70-99 for 20 rnds as Ruger 480 handguns are no longer made. I bought an Alaskan in .44 with Buffalo Bore and Underwood 340+P+. 454 Casull like power, and ammo is always available. Garrett 330+P+ is also available. I heard that recoil with the Garrett 330+P+ is worse than Buff & Underwood 340+P+. Going to try Garrett next.
I find shooting at smaller targets is a huge aid in improving your aim. I always shoot at small rocks, that place your shooting is a target rich environment.
Revolvers and pistols are tough to shoot effectively. Recoil is my personal nemesis. I applaud your honest review. I want so bad to be able to shoot my 44 mag effectively but my limit is 9mm. Next time I'm in Alaska I'll be limited to my rem 870 with giant chunks of lead.
I carry a 480 Super Red Hawk with a 9” barrel. Sounds cumbersome but it isn’t. Very much easier to shoot, very accurate. Can actually do a 6” group at 100 yards. Nice to be able to have extra accuracy to take effective range further than bear snotting on you distance. Doubles as a backup moose gun. I took a moose with it. HAMMERED him, full through and through. 400 grain hard cast. They stay together even on rocks (I’ve dug them up) I put Williams Fire Sights on it, very very effective.
Have to agree with you 100%.I have a Ruger Super Blackhawk Stainless Steel Bisley with 6 1/2" barrel. My friend shot this same load at his deactivated retired bowling ball and got the same results. Blew a chunk on first another on second shot and blew it in half on his third shot. Awesome caliber, load and love this Ruger...Bought 100 rounds pre covid thank GOD...New subscriber
I would suggest adding reloads to the end of your ammo dump drills. There might be more than 1 bear, or your 1st mag might jam, or 1 cycle of the revolver might not be enough. Practice for a fight that keeps going, rather than only practicing for the ammo capacity of a given weapon.
Under normal circumstances I would agree with the reload drill but in real life grizzly attacks it's been shown repeatedly that the bear is on top of you in seconds and you're lucky if you even have time to discharge the rounds that are in the gun already.
@@lorenhulett5893 Very true. But don't be a pessimist defeatist about it, though. Train with the mindset that you will get that sucker, that you will hit it with effective accuracy, and that you will keep pewing it till it goes down, and even then it might still get back up and keep coming for you, so be ready immediately to keep pewing till it stays down. What I'm really saying is don't get into the habit of thinking 5-10 shots was enough to conquer a paper or steel target, so it's gotta be enough for Mr. Grizz too. I know ammo is hella expensive, but prep for a fight that goes on a bit longer than a mag or a cycle of a wheel gun. Prep for a stubborn SOB. But be the even more stubborn SOB.
@@texasbeast239I have a Taurus tracker 44 mag and a Smith and Wesson 686+ and no matter which I carry I always have a minimum of 4 speed strips in a front facing pocket!!! I had other revolvers and semi auto handguns, but hard times you know!!! I would always have my 308 rifle in hand first though, and if I was hunting grizzly country for deer or elk no matter what I'd switch from my normal 150gr round to whichever 180gr shot the most accurate for me. I know most people would say 308 is not enough, but my back ain't gonna do much bigger!!! I can't take more recoil than that anymore after tearing my spinal cord and some days I can't even do that!!! At least a pistol does not slam into my shoulder!!! I had to get rid of my 12 gauge shotgun because of that. It got to where 2 or 3 rounds and I physically couldn't shoot it anymore and it would get to where I couldn't get out of bed the next day, as the inflammation would go up in my back and start taking my legs out!!! They just wouldn't work so I'm stuck with revolvers and my little old 308.
Three things you are overlooking: 1. Your 45-70 is highly effective 2. You are a Crack shot with a rifle 3. A rifle correctly configured and carried is as quick as a pistol for all but the most highly skilled pistol shooters. Get yourself a two-point combat sling and learn from the experts teaching fighting rifle skills.
As originally a revolver guy I think that Toklat is awesome! Practicality though is with the 15 rounds in the Glock. Lastly the .480 Ruger looks like perfect chest rig gun for fishing in waders, etc. All good choices and nice collection sir! BEST PLAN: Carry the Toklat hip/drawn and the Ruger Chest/Crossdraw (or shoot the Ruger 1st since reload is difficult) and you still get 12 rounds before reload! Figure you have to think like a single action cowboy and carry 2 guns since you will be lucky to get them all off and likely never get a reload with revolvers with that bear there....
Just recently acquired a 454 Super Redhawk w/a 7.5" barrel. I had the same issue with stuck cases on the hottest handloads (still within listed recipe) that I made. The Grizzly ammo that I bought was a bit tight as well. At the range I keep a cleaning rod with me to help remove stubborn cases, but I doubt a bear would let you go through that procedure.
Same here. My SRH is a 7.5 barrel model made in the late 1990s. It is a early model that has the target grey finish and the rubber grip with wood panel inserts. When I shoot max load factory ammo (such as Buffalo Bore, Underwood, Grizzly Cartridge) or my own handloaded ammo with max charge of H110 or AA No. 9, the cases stick so badly in the cylinder afterward that I have to tap them out from the front of the cylinder with a section of an AR-15 cleaning rod.
@@F15ElectricEaglepolish you're chambers. Flitz or case metal paste works well. Just be very conservative in how much you do so you don't enlarge your chambers. It'll make your chambers slicker'n snot!!!
@@Wildwestwrangler - Already did. No improvement. My understanding of the sticky case extraction issue is due to the Carpenter 465 stainless steel used for the cylinder. It is a very 'elastic' steel. When exposed to sudden very high pressure such as that from a near max (65,000 p.s.i.) round, the chamber of the cylinder will expand along with the brass cartridge that was fired. When the pressure drops after firing, both the steel of cylinder and and the brass in the chamber will contract. However, the rate the steel contracts is faster than the rate that the brass will contract and thereby cause the case to be bind into the chamber.
Ok, I watch your stuff from time to time and appreciate your content. You may have convinced me to get a 10mm. That being said, I can’t understand why you would go to all the trouble of making the vid, buying expensive ammo, and then using a target that was all shot up already so we don’t know where the heck you are shooting?
Don't bet your life on a tiny bullet in a semi auto. Don't do it if you live in Grizzly country. I'm getting a Mossberg shockwave. I've read enough old guide stories out of Alaska and Montana, etc. And they always carry a rifle or shotgun and a pistol to shoot themselves in case they miss with the rifle or shotgun.
I own all three you used. I'm fortunate. Have a pretty massive firearms cachet. It really comes down to what a person can shoot accurately. If you can't shoot it accurately its useless. If a 10mm is the biggest hitter you can keep on target, thats your gun. I own about every hand cannon made, in various barrel lengths, and for some reason I haven't figured out, that 5.5" RSR Toklat in 454 Casull ( I think it only came in that length) is the worst on my hands of any handgun I have. The 454 in Alaskan is fine, the 7.5" is fine, but that Toklat takes damn near all the fun out of shooting it.
Well since you already have the gun out why not go with a longer barrel to control recoil & flip, the one gun I would want would be the S&W XVR in 460 magnum but it can also fire 454 Casull, 45 long colt & 45 Schofield for a verity of cartages.
FINALLY. I have waited years for this episode. In Togiak, we share the salmon with hundreds of brown bears. Wolves stalk our children picking berries in the tundra. I have carried a 7.5" 480 Ruger Super Redhawk with 410gr Buffalo Bore in a kydex chest rig for a couple years. 6 shots in 8 seconds is the fastest I can get on target. I just picked up a Glock 40 gen 4. 15+1 on target in the same 8 seconds. Hip draw is so much faster. I think 210gr Buffalo Bore will get r done. 10mm Glock is still a bit much for most women and children. So I built an 8" TNW ASP 10mm with a Tailhook Mod2. Think of a MAC 10 meets AR PCC that takes Glock Mags. A bear gun so easy a child can run it. This is the last of God's country up here. If it was easy, Kommiforniastan would have ruined it already. Love ya, brother 🇺🇸
For sticky cases in a revolver, a brass range rod works well. In a bear defense situation, you’ll never have time to reload anyway so you’ll have time to extract the cases at your leisure, or your heirs will when they inherit your gun.
All you have to do is take a shortened piece of that brass rod and chuck it in a drill and use a chamber mop proper size for caliber of course and case metal paste or flitz, and very carefully and slowly use the drill to spin that barrel mop loaded with a small amount of fine metal polish. Don't go fast and only for five to 10 seconds, then shoot the hot load after cleaning and reassembling. Do small increments and only do it enough for the brass to stop sticking. Your chambers will get very slick. Be careful though to not take any more than necessary, as it doesn't take much!!! Have your gunsmith polish the chambers if you're not comfortable doing it. Those cases will stop sticking.
I think that the 10mm wins every time. Because after you shot the 6 rounds the 10mm is still shooting. I enjoy watching your video very much keep them coming
@tdennebaum those huge revolvers are a lot harder for most people to shoot well, and much more expensive to practice with. You can run drills with a 10mm for hours at a fraction of the cost. The best gun is one you can shoot well, and that's usually going to mean the 10mm out of this lineup.
The biggest advantages of a 10mm seem to be lighter weight and the ability to attach a flashlight. I'm not sure how relevant the higher capacity is when one considers that bear defense is usually a quick and dirty affair, not a prolonged shootout with multiple armed and determined bears. (Feel free to provide examples if I'm wrong). In what I understand to be the typical scenario, the much greater power of the big revolvers seems like a more important advantage than magazine capacity- if you can shoot them with reasonable speed and accuracy.
@Bronski Turboski Although none of the standoffs I've had with dangerous animals required a gun, all were very fast and *surprising.* I'm not saying capacity isn't any advantage at all, I just don't think it's much of an advantage.
Yeah but your chances of actually bringing a large brown bear down with a 10 mm or 50/50 or less ask any old-timer or experienced guide they laugh at you guys talking about using a 10 mm as a bear defense weapon it's a joke if you ask me
@@gregalcorn-pu5ye As long as you have a heavy, hardcast bullet it will get good penetration. If you can't shoot something more powerful with reasonable speed and accuracy it's not *that much worse* than the bigger pistol calibers. At the end of the day unless you step up to a rifle (or the X-frame S&W calibers which are basically rifle calibers) you're just poking holes. Would I rather have a .44 or a .480? Sure. But most people can't handle that. Some people really hype up the 10mm because of the capacity, I think it's an option because it has enough juice and is manageable.
With a charging beast, you'll run out of time long before you run out of bullets. Unless you're in a running gun battle, ammo capacity is irrelevant. ONLY shot for shot damage matters. And yes, since you're wondering, I would absolutely take a 2 shot 25mm break action cannon over a 6 shot magnum revolver any day 😁 Great video, brother 👍🏻
Chuke you are the man. Pistols are a lot harder to shoot than rifles. I am the same way. Great with a rifle but mediocre with a pistol. I have a job and a family and other priorities with my free time than mastering pistols but I’d like to work at it more.
As a Bear Alaskan bear Guide let me throw a couple thoughts out. The 10mm for black bears is ok most of the time. The 460 in a shorter barrel is the absolute way to go! With the Garret Grizzly protection rounds it will shoot through a Grizzly skull and exit out is butt hole! Not joking, it also shoots .460 s&w 45Long Colt, 454 casuall! 10 mm won’t do crap to a charging grizz or brown, read the reports. The 460, is amazingly accurate and is SO versatile!
Chuke, if you run the numbers for the 454 Toklat VS the 454 Alaskan (I have both and have compared them), for any common load, you get a lot more velocity out of the Toklat, yet it weighs only about 6 ounces more. The result is that both the perceived and actual recoil from the Toklat is worse than from the Alaskan. The 480 Alaskan has even less recoil when you can match bullet weights with a 454 (or at least come close) for a fair comparison.
What is the velocity difference? I wanna buy one of these 2 and I like the Alaskan more because it's more compact but I am concerned about the loss in muzzle velocity from 2.5 inch barrel.
@@gladonos3384 I recall about 300 FPS less velocity with the Alaskan than the Toklat. I can shoot two or three cylinders with the Alaskan when I am feeling adventurous. With the Toklat (and I love the Toklat), one cylinder is about all I can do on any given day.
Thanks for the video. I may not carry the best for bear defense. However, for the times when I am backpacking with photographic equipment and cannot carry a shotgun or rifle for protection from black bears, feral hogs, or wild dogs, I carry a 6-inch 357 magnum S&W revolver loaded with 200 grain hard-cast lead flat-nose ammo or a 6-inch HK USP Elite loaded with 255 grain hard-cast 45acp ammo.
I honestly think any of those guns you have will do just fine. I’d rather have more room for error with the Glock 20 being that you have 15 + 1. I will be ordering a 10mm Glock and carry it with heavy loads when I’m in bear country. Great video! 🤠👊🏻
Definitely the 454 Casull cartridge is the true winner. Better suited in the Freedom Arms model 83 revolver. The Ruger Super Redhawk has had lots of trouble with sticking cases.
You would shoot a 44mag 629classsic s&w 6 1/2 inch at normal power level with if you could get them as light as 200gr heat treated hard cast, less recoil than 300 gr bullets, you would actually enjoy shooting that compared to what you have now, and it will still out penetrate the 10mm, I have no trouble putting it through the bullseye with mine, You should carry at least 2 pistols incase you have trouble with one, You should give an M1 Carbine 30cal a try, as they can penetrate a car battery in both directions a 30/30 can't do that or a 223 , and it's nearly as easy to shoot as a 22 or 223, and a very simple gun with less problems as the M16 far less complicated,
Just spent 2 weeks in Wyoming and Montana with my trusty Glock 20 in a chest holster. Ammo selection probably wasn’t the best, Underwood 200 FMJ, but in today’s world you have to use what you can get ahold of!!!
What’s the best kind of 10mm in areas with big grizz? I’ve seen Buffalo bore misfeed on some of these RUclips videos too much for me to want that. Any others?
I've never found the super redhawk in these heavy calibers to be on par with other makes/models. Not that Ruger's in general aren't good quality guns...but I've seen more than one super redhawk with extraction problems in .454 and .480. I have owned both calibers (and still have the .480)in Taurus Raging Bull revolvers and not only did they not have ANY issues, but they're far more pleasant to shoot! While the.454 was a significant step up in recoil, the .480 is no worse in perceived recoil than a .44 or heavy loaded.45 colt. I'd happily trade that one round capacity to have a gun I not only shoot better but can rely on!
I found your video informative. You said two things that I found very interesting. First, you said you shoot your rifle the best, that should be your number one weapon. You mentioned that you need time to practice with your revolvers, who has the time or MONEY to practice with this expensive ammo? My opinion, rifle first, revolver second, knife third. Carrying a heavy rifle is well worth the added safety, How fast you can fire a revolver, 10 mm and be accurate. Your rifle is #! No doubt
I had a stuck case in my raging bull 454 a couple of months ago when trying to load maximum charge of Lil gun powder and 300 gr Nosler partition, I had to beat a case out with a punch, the other rounds I fired were ok. I backed off the powder charge for reliability.
Compared to where your handgun shooting was 2 years ago your much improved brotha, have you tried taking a pistol class with your glock 20? A red dot I think once you got down would make the glock 20 the winner hands down in my uneducated opinion
I thought your Ruger Alaskan in 44 mag was your favorite and top choice? If you check out the 44 mag 340gr. +P+ and compare it to the 480 Ruger, the 340gr 44 mag generates more energy than any 400gr 480!
I would use my 460 S&W X-frame revolver with 454 Casull loads. Has a 5 inch muzzlebrake equipped barrel and weighs just over 60 ounces unloaded. Lower recoil impulse than the full power 460 S&W magnum but powerful nonetheless.
Shooting max power ammo in any gun is just asking for trouble. I've tried lots of super powerful ammo with lots of different guns and they are definitely less reliable. Reliability is the more important than a extra 100 ft lbs
Chuke, when you get your Glock skills tuned, the extra velocity of a 6 or 7" Glock 40 barrel in your Glock 20 would be on the top of my list. The 2" you are sacrificing are a bunch for bear IMO. I just went with the 40 to start with for the additional muzzle weight. Tough to hip carry longer than 6" without a huge cant to accommodate sitting. Be safe 👊
All 3 are good for bear. I would push away from the 10mm. I'm sure many have hunted bear with them. I'm talking from limited experience in the Colorado Rockies. I started carrying my dad's Phelps Heritage 45-70 revolver. It was worth too much to carry around and bang up on a rock. My boss at the gunshop I was working at gave me a deal on a older model of a Marlin 45-70. I just carried it around in a nylon scabbard. I would have used leather but it takes too long for leather to dry out. Leather in the city nylon in the mountains. It's a good system for me. What ever you car to do.
In my place in the mountains (7500’) in the West, lower 48……..7 times up close. Close enough to smell them…..Even smaller brown & black bears that are close to my place make for a spooky day. If my hands were not so banged up I would carry something bigger than my S&W model 13 in 3”. That said, they are NOT Grizzly Bears. So, if all an old dude with bad hands can handle is a bull barrel .357 but nothing bigger, what round would you recommend? Thank you Sir! Great channel! Thanks & GBU!
I had the case sticking problem with my Ruger Super Redhawk in .480 as well. Not every type of ammo, it was much more prevalent with certain .480 rounds, but what a pain. Had to jam the empties out from the front of the cylinder with a rod.
Summer dress,t-shirt and shorts carrying micro carry like a 380 acp in florida were you can run into and people have run I to blk bear and off COURSE, gators. Was looking at Buffalo Bore' s 380 in Hardcast standard pressure OR they have a +p 380 in Hardcast OR Lehigh Defence' s Xtreme Defender's. What do you think.?
I wonder if you would do better by firing the first shot in single action, take just a hair more time with the sight picture and trigger squeeze, then use the double action if he keeps coming closer. He'll probably drop his head as he comes in for your leg exposing the top of his skull? Even a good chest hit with the first one might make a difference.
Yep!! Four with 45 acp and one with 45 super! 👍🏾 www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/#axzz6yvToo7hE
So if that happens every time with Buffalo bore ammo, why are you using it? That makes no sense! The problem is not the gun, maybe try nickel plated brass as in Underwood ammo. Nice video!!!
I like my Glock 40 mos, Glock 29 a lot. Also have a JR edition Smith Wesson 5" .500 mag.which is my favorite big overkill gun,but I will say that 454 Casull you have is bad as. Dick Casull also built a.38 cal 1900-2000 fps killer pistol on a 1911 chassis. Came close to buying one. Casull definitely knew how to hotrod a cartridge.
Absolutely agree. Be prepared and aware gun in hand. Preferably a large rifle but if a handgun also be at the ready. Practice is paramount. I can't understand why the 480 Ruger hasn't become more popular as it is an amazing cartridge. Ammo is difficult and expensive and even projectiles for handloading are very difficult and expensive. We have far more bears than people at our cabin in northern WI and the bears average 400lbs with the largest ones up to 600lbs + and we see them constantly. Being treed is no joke. Be prepared.
@@totljag1 9/2020 Just outside Merrillan, WI Naiya Iraci shot a 720lb dressed weight bear estimated to weigh over 800lbs live. 9/2010 Bryant, WI Braden shot a 737lb bear Look up largest bears killed in WI. This quote is from the WI DNR website "The opportunity to harvest a bear is better than 40% for most zones and some of the biggest bears in the country are taken in Wisconsin. Several bears registered by hunters each year top 600 or 700 pounds!" You'll be surprised how many bears are taken in excess of 600lbs
@@totljag1 Most of the time they run once they smell or hear you. We have a lot of bears on our property outside Medford and we see them often. Out of many encounters only had 1 with a big bear that treed me during bow season. I got him to leave by shooting my handgun into the ground but he didn't go far and waited for me to leave to resume his activities
Yep, that's why Norma's original 10mm ammo - a 200gn FMJ-FP @ 1200fps - is called 'a Sonny Crockett load.' ... Of course, with today's hybrid propellants, you can easily get 200grns @ 1270fps with less pressure than the 10mm ammo of the 1980s. And then too, we have much better bullet-technology than what they had back then. Even still, the original 200grn load specs are still pretty potent. Today we can turn to UW, BB, and DT for any of a number of high-performance 10mm loads. I luv me some 'Heavy & Fast' Best Meter ammo!
@@philkearny5587 This was season 4, Deliver Us from Evil and it was not the 10mm Bren Ten, but a 645 Smith & Wesson, but you'll get the point we're trying to make, Don Johnson's/Sonny Crockett/ Burnett was a definitive person in some of our upbringing a hero if you will, but not always the good guy ruclips.net/video/5fb40_0iL5A/видео.html
How bout the 480 red hawk ruger Alaskan with a 9 inch barrel? It will give you more velocity per second ! & a more steady point of aim , like a short rifle 😏
This video is what I want to see since I have a Glock 29sf in 10mm and two Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan revolvers one in 454 Casull and one in 480 magnum so want to see what gun is better for carry for bear protection :)
Speaking of 480 ruger I hope ruger releases a marlin chambered in 480. Someone told me there was a limited release 1895rl chambered in 480 a few years back but I have yet to come across one.
The extra reciprocating mass of the slide adds to muzzle flip. Also the fact that the Desert Eagle can be picky about its ammo would make me feel unsure. A competent round, but I think a good 454 is the way to go.
Some years ago, my wife and I, and a police officer, and his lady, backpacked in the Wrangel-St. Elias Wilderness. I carried my Freedom Arms .454 revolver, with WFN LBT bullets, and high doses of H-110 powder. My wife carried a S&W M657 .41 Magnum, again, with WFN LBT bullets, and H-110. We both felt very well protected. We saw 9 Grizzly Bears, and one Black Bear, but had no problems with any of them. Believe, me, the large caliber revolvers offer a feeling of confidence. Yes, we practiced with each pistol before we left, and were confident that, if needed, we would stand a good chance of coming out alright. Personally, I would not trust a semi-auto to keep me safe, period! Take care, and God Bless!
Every Good Wish,
Doc Mark
Hey great comment, thank you! I agree those big revolvers provide a lot of confidence!
There is not a better built, or more accurate production revolver than an FA .454 Casull and it can and has efficiently killed the largest and most deadly animals on the planet. However, even as a .41, your wife's gun was better suited to personal protection of a grizzly; especially when you are in thick cover and cannot see a reasonable distance. The first shot is always the best you will get, so ensuring you are on target is critical and this is why familiarity is important. But if that first shot does not drop the animal, then your single action takes time to get that hammer back, then, adjust your grip and get back on target.
Most grizzly attacks are at very close range where the individual saw the animal just a few seconds before being mauled. In that timeframe, you are lucky to get one shot off with the .454, where you wife can get 2-3, and the 10mm 3-5. It's good to feel confident, but I assure you, when you are enjoying the moment, and a grizzly busts, adrenaline hits and you are scrambling, which means your aim is likely not as good or easy while in the controlled environment of a range. With that .454, if you miss, you are lucky to get off a 2nd shot that while having a larger target, still may not put the bear on the ground even if you fatally wound it. Her double action is without thought, you pull it, aim and pull that trigger when ready, so while an inferior caliber, being a .41, especially with the hard cast bullets, is more than capable of putting down a bear. You often won’t get 6 shots off, so it is more than enough. A 10mm you have to draw, remove the safety if applicable and shoot. Familiarity is not just in comfort of shot and accuracy, it is about readying the firearm for use, and in that “stressful” situation, being unfamiliar means you fight the safety and your ability to get on target. However you can get hard cast bullets for the 10mm and where it is a hint below a .357 in power, with less recoil than the .454 or .41, and design, you are able to get back on target faster, more accurately and throw more lead. The video shows him unloading the magazine (maybe not literally, I did not pay that much attention), but tossing lead without having some control is not the way you would handle this, but instead a more controlled approach in making good shots, rather than tossing lead. If he makes it to 10 yards, then throw the bank at it, but otherwise your shooting should be controlled where you are attempting to get as many good shots as possible. This is really the only debate, but a viable debate as to why a 10mm “may” be better in bear defense. The fact you can have faster successive shots, less recoil and the ability to get on target faster, “can” make it better.
He also mentioned something many people miss when it comes to bear or even moose attacks. You are not necessarily trying to kill them in the sense of hitting the vitals, but let’s face it, you have an animal charging towards you at 30+ miles per hour, so hitting the brain in what amounts to a moving baseball is not an easy shot, and often will be luck. You are not on a bench, you do not have the luxury of preparing yourself for the shot, breathing properly, etc. So, you are aiming for center mass, and even when fatally hit, the bear can still travel that distance and start to maul you before it dies. More shots have more chance of breaking a leg (as he also said), or doing otherwise damage that prevents the animal from continuing the attack. Situations vary which is also why depending on environment a .454, or even a rifle may be better. Many guides will often carry a shotgun in AK with alternating buck shot/slugs because it offers both crippling power, but also a spread of shot that just hits the bear potentionally hitting it in the face or legs where it can help stop the attack. So, there is no perfect choice that affords every situation.
There is also the component of trying to avoid killing the animal. Well, maybe not in my example, but let’s say you see a sow with cubs at about 25 yards and she does not immediately start to charge, but shows nervous energy, or aggression, even a false charge. Recognizing the situation, she did not bust per being startled, so she is considering options, which means a couple warning shots may seal the deal. But now you only have 3 in your .454, and 4 in her .41, but certainly more than 8 depending on what 10mm you have. You are not as likely to fire a warning shot and waste your precious ammo with a revolver. As outdoorsman we obviously want to protect ourselves, but almost all don’t really want to shoot an animal either. In this example, it is clear this was not a predatory attack, a bear approaching you, or a bear with some form of issue as to why it is attacking you (outside of just startling it). So, you know this bear is not really a dangerous bear in the sense I just mentioned, and better to scare her and let her on her way since all she was doing is protecting her kids. Helps them learn humans are to be avoided as well. Don’t get me wrong, she continues coming like any animal, then its on like Donkey Kong.
Anyway, I cannot argue against the FA gun as there is no better revolver on the planet. I have an 8 3/8” octagonal barrel I used for hunting, and a 4 ¾ as a sidearm and will never sell either. At a time the 4 ¾ was a very good option for bear defense, beyond dependable and yes, powerful enough to give you comfort that it can kill anything you run into. But technology advances and while a 10mm is still “underpowered”, the fact you can get on target faster, fire more rapidly and even have ammo left in the event the bear knocks you down and can grab the firearm again means it is a legitimate if not better option. There are some excellent 10mm pistols out there where dependability is excellent as long as you use good ammo and keep it clean. Remember, you are not necessarily trying kill the bear, just prevent the attack by putting him on the ground. Killing is a bonus.
@@BPRescue Huge thanks for your long and highly detailed reply to my original comments! Much appreciated! As the State in which I currently live, makes us go through a background check, every time we buy a box of cartridges, I'll not be buying any new firearms, or getting into different calibers, whilst I live here! When we finally move to a free State, I will do some experimenting, along the lines you suggested! Thanks, again, and God Bless! - Doc
Love the 41 magnum. too bad more people don't recognize their worth.
I’m a big believer in shot placement . I’d be confident with a semi auto 10mm , vs a .500 s&w that sprains your wrist everytime you squeeze the trigger
Everyone talking about ammo capacity of the revolvers forget double rifles have been used for over a hundred years against dangerous game in Africa and that’s only two shots, it’s about choosing the weapon you can shoot the best and practicing with it.
True but wouldn't you say most big game hunters in Africa have back up shooters? I've never seen a group smaller than 5 hunters but I digress. I have no opinion on your revolver capacity comment.
@@ConcernedCitizen1957 yea that’s true usually they’re ph have one along with trackers and skinners as well
Also if a bear is charging you, you most likely will not have time to get off 13 rounds maybe 4 or 5 if you are lucky
Common sense isnt as common as men that think they can have babies in 2022.
As someone else here said, and probably ddnt think thru vefore they typed it... EVEN IF they do have 2 backup shooters, are they willing to bet atleast 1 of the 2 arent carrying the same beast of a double barrel?
1 shot exactly where you need to place it, is worth more than any box full of 30rd mags sprayed with Hollywood form and accuracy.
Yes capacity is also a good thing to consider, but throwing a javelin is always better than a box of toothpicks.
I have a friend that giides bear and yes he had 15 rd capacity but he dropped it with his first shot so the extra 2lb was good for making his wife feel better but it sucked carrying it back while he was packin the bear out.
@@ConcernedCitizen1957yep it's required by law in most countries in Africa that you have to hunt with a PH professional hunter aka guide!!!
Great channel. I Sold my Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan 480. Great secondary brown bear protection to my Marlin 1885 GBL using 576 grain Black Butterfly @1400+fps. 480 Ruger
Ammo is $70-99 for 20 rnds as Ruger 480 handguns are no longer made. I bought an Alaskan in .44 with Buffalo Bore and Underwood 340+P+. 454 Casull like power, and ammo is always available. Garrett 330+P+ is also available. I heard that recoil with the Garrett 330+P+ is worse than Buff & Underwood 340+P+. Going to try Garrett next.
You could go with 220gr hardcast in 44 magnum. Harder hitting than the 10mm and less painful than those big bore revolvers.
True!
With the 10 you get 15+ shots when 44 you only get 5 or 6
@@rmf09024 what ever you end up with, practice!!! Need quick recovery for follow-ups. Need to hit your target under extreme stress.
The 44 magnum has taken more bears than both the 454 and 480 and the 10mm combined
Every time he says “a bear” and then shoots I think of uncle jimbo and Ned, they’re coming right for us
I find shooting at smaller targets is a huge aid in improving your aim. I always shoot at small rocks, that place your shooting is a target rich environment.
Revolvers and pistols are tough to shoot effectively. Recoil is my personal nemesis. I applaud your honest review. I want so bad to be able to shoot my 44 mag effectively but my limit is 9mm. Next time I'm in Alaska I'll be limited to my rem 870 with giant chunks of lead.
Go for a sw 460, shoots 3 diff rounds. Depending where go can choose which ammo to use
It’s on my list!
I like this guys honesty. Thanks for the video man.
I carry a 480 Super Red Hawk with a 9” barrel. Sounds cumbersome but it isn’t. Very much easier to shoot, very accurate. Can actually do a 6” group at 100 yards. Nice to be able to have extra accuracy to take effective range further than bear snotting on you distance. Doubles as a backup moose gun. I took a moose with it. HAMMERED him, full through and through. 400 grain hard cast. They stay together even on rocks (I’ve dug them up) I put Williams Fire Sights on it, very very effective.
Have to agree with you 100%.I have a Ruger Super Blackhawk Stainless Steel Bisley with 6 1/2" barrel. My friend shot this same load at his deactivated retired bowling ball and got the same results. Blew a chunk on first another on second shot and blew it in half on his third shot. Awesome caliber, load and love this Ruger...Bought 100 rounds pre covid thank GOD...New subscriber
Omg I want one!! Sure glad I live in Canada right now🤮
I would suggest adding reloads to the end of your ammo dump drills. There might be more than 1 bear, or your 1st mag might jam, or 1 cycle of the revolver might not be enough. Practice for a fight that keeps going, rather than only practicing for the ammo capacity of a given weapon.
Under normal circumstances I would agree with the reload drill but in real life grizzly attacks it's been shown repeatedly that the bear is on top of you in seconds and you're lucky if you even have time to discharge the rounds that are in the gun already.
@@lorenhulett5893 Very true.
But don't be a pessimist defeatist about it, though. Train with the mindset that you will get that sucker, that you will hit it with effective accuracy, and that you will keep pewing it till it goes down, and even then it might still get back up and keep coming for you, so be ready immediately to keep pewing till it stays down.
What I'm really saying is don't get into the habit of thinking 5-10 shots was enough to conquer a paper or steel target, so it's gotta be enough for Mr. Grizz too. I know ammo is hella expensive, but prep for a fight that goes on a bit longer than a mag or a cycle of a wheel gun. Prep for a stubborn SOB. But be the even more stubborn SOB.
Plus he couldn't hit a 1500 lb bear once lol so if that bear has friends he's dead meat hahahaha
@@lorenhulett5893 he would need to hit the bear at least once before he worries about a reload. Small steps.
@@texasbeast239I have a Taurus tracker 44 mag and a Smith and Wesson 686+ and no matter which I carry I always have a minimum of 4 speed strips in a front facing pocket!!! I had other revolvers and semi auto handguns, but hard times you know!!! I would always have my 308 rifle in hand first though, and if I was hunting grizzly country for deer or elk no matter what I'd switch from my normal 150gr round to whichever 180gr shot the most accurate for me. I know most people would say 308 is not enough, but my back ain't gonna do much bigger!!! I can't take more recoil than that anymore after tearing my spinal cord and some days I can't even do that!!! At least a pistol does not slam into my shoulder!!! I had to get rid of my 12 gauge shotgun because of that. It got to where 2 or 3 rounds and I physically couldn't shoot it anymore and it would get to where I couldn't get out of bed the next day, as the inflammation would go up in my back and start taking my legs out!!! They just wouldn't work so I'm stuck with revolvers and my little old 308.
Three things you are overlooking:
1. Your 45-70 is highly effective
2. You are a Crack shot with a rifle
3. A rifle correctly configured and carried is as quick as a pistol for all but the most highly skilled pistol shooters.
Get yourself a two-point combat sling and learn from the experts teaching fighting rifle skills.
As a bear, you are my first target. That's the worst shooting I've ever seen 😂
Just keep on Chuke'ing! Awesome real world channel. Your pistolero shooting will get better as you shoot more.
As originally a revolver guy I think that Toklat is awesome! Practicality though is with the 15 rounds in the Glock. Lastly the .480 Ruger looks like perfect chest rig gun for fishing in waders, etc. All good choices and nice collection sir! BEST PLAN: Carry the Toklat hip/drawn and the Ruger Chest/Crossdraw (or shoot the Ruger 1st since reload is difficult) and you still get 12 rounds before reload! Figure you have to think like a single action cowboy and carry 2 guns since you will be lucky to get them all off and likely never get a reload with revolvers with that bear there....
Just recently acquired a 454 Super Redhawk w/a 7.5" barrel. I had the same issue with stuck cases on the hottest handloads (still within listed recipe) that I made. The Grizzly ammo that I bought was a bit tight as well. At the range I keep a cleaning rod with me to help remove stubborn cases, but I doubt a bear would let you go through that procedure.
Same here. My SRH is a 7.5 barrel model made in the late 1990s. It is a early model that has the target grey finish and the rubber grip with wood panel inserts. When I shoot max load factory ammo (such as Buffalo Bore, Underwood, Grizzly Cartridge) or my own handloaded ammo with max charge of H110 or AA No. 9, the cases stick so badly in the cylinder afterward that I have to tap them out from the front of the cylinder with a section of an AR-15 cleaning rod.
@@F15ElectricEaglepolish you're chambers. Flitz or case metal paste works well. Just be very conservative in how much you do so you don't enlarge your chambers. It'll make your chambers slicker'n snot!!!
@@Wildwestwrangler - Already did. No improvement. My understanding of the sticky case extraction issue is due to the Carpenter 465 stainless steel used for the cylinder. It is a very 'elastic' steel. When exposed to sudden very high pressure such as that from a near max (65,000 p.s.i.) round, the chamber of the cylinder will expand along with the brass cartridge that was fired. When the pressure drops after firing, both the steel of cylinder and and the brass in the chamber will contract. However, the rate the steel contracts is faster than the rate that the brass will contract and thereby cause the case to be bind into the chamber.
You should do a 10mm vs 45 super video,would be interesting
Chuke and Chuck did a whole series of vids on that in the past.
He's definitely have do some in the past
Big problem right there.
10mm factory ammo - CAN find it. ... .45 Superduper factory ammo? CAN'T find it.
@@madjack395645 super is basically boutique companies like Underwood or buffalo bore only. Here in Texas the 10mm is pretty easy to find.
Keep that 480 cleaned and it’ll rock and roll for you. Love the channel.
Thank you!
Ok, I watch your stuff from time to time and appreciate your content. You may have convinced me to get a 10mm. That being said, I can’t understand why you would go to all the trouble of making the vid, buying expensive ammo, and then using a target that was all shot up already so we don’t know where the heck you are shooting?
my thoughts exactly.......
Don't bet your life on a tiny bullet in a semi auto. Don't do it if you live in Grizzly country.
I'm getting a Mossberg shockwave. I've read enough old guide stories out of Alaska and Montana, etc. And they always carry a rifle or shotgun and a pistol to shoot themselves in case they miss with the rifle or shotgun.
Not to worry Chuke, a real bear situation will invoke the adrenalin spirits and you'll not feel or recall the recoil.
As for the bear...uh...
I own all three you used. I'm fortunate. Have a pretty massive firearms cachet. It really comes down to what a person can shoot accurately. If you can't shoot it accurately its useless. If a 10mm is the biggest hitter you can keep on target, thats your gun. I own about every hand cannon made, in various barrel lengths, and for some reason I haven't figured out, that 5.5" RSR Toklat in 454 Casull ( I think it only came in that length) is the worst on my hands of any handgun I have. The 454 in Alaskan is fine, the 7.5" is fine, but that Toklat takes damn near all the fun out of shooting it.
Need .41 magnum 8 shot N frame S&W.
460 Rowland has twice the powers of 10 mm I don't know what you're talking about man
Well since you already have the gun out why not go with a longer barrel to control recoil & flip, the one gun I would want would be the S&W XVR in 460 magnum but it can also fire 454 Casull, 45 long colt & 45 Schofield for a verity of cartages.
The 460 is hard to beat…
Loving my .480 Ruger as well Chukeley. Since I have the .460 XVR it's versatility covers the .454, .45 waterfront for me.
Lastly good point, they say hit one knee when shooting and actually shooting slower and Hitting good spots is better than shooting fast.
Good to see Chuke finally off the couch
FINALLY. I have waited years for this episode. In Togiak, we share the salmon with hundreds of brown bears. Wolves stalk our children picking berries in the tundra. I have carried a 7.5" 480 Ruger Super Redhawk with 410gr Buffalo Bore in a kydex chest rig for a couple years. 6 shots in 8 seconds is the fastest I can get on target. I just picked up a Glock 40 gen 4. 15+1 on target in the same 8 seconds. Hip draw is so much faster. I think 210gr Buffalo Bore will get r done. 10mm Glock is still a bit much for most women and children. So I built an 8" TNW ASP 10mm with a Tailhook Mod2. Think of a MAC 10 meets AR PCC that takes Glock Mags. A bear gun so easy a child can run it.
This is the last of God's country up here. If it was easy, Kommiforniastan would have ruined it already. Love ya, brother 🇺🇸
Try the new XDM Elite 10mm compact. It’ll still run a 15 round mag so no loss in capacity. I love mine.
For sticky cases in a revolver, a brass range rod works well. In a bear defense situation, you’ll never have time to reload anyway so you’ll have time to extract the cases at your leisure, or your heirs will when they inherit your gun.
All you have to do is take a shortened piece of that brass rod and chuck it in a drill and use a chamber mop proper size for caliber of course and case metal paste or flitz, and very carefully and slowly use the drill to spin that barrel mop loaded with a small amount of fine metal polish. Don't go fast and only for five to 10 seconds, then shoot the hot load after cleaning and reassembling. Do small increments and only do it enough for the brass to stop sticking. Your chambers will get very slick. Be careful though to not take any more than necessary, as it doesn't take much!!! Have your gunsmith polish the chambers if you're not comfortable doing it. Those cases will stop sticking.
When I was in the Navy in the 80s we used the old M-14 for polar bear defence gun. Hard to beat 20 rounds of full power rifle cartridges.
You just need to practice your immediate action drills with a reload. I have a 454 Tokat , much respect. I know that hurts.
I think that the 10mm wins every time. Because after you shot the 6 rounds the 10mm is still shooting. I enjoy watching your video very much keep them coming
It all depends on if you want a lot more power with the revolvers or gamble with a lot more rounds of less power with the 10mm!
@tdennebaum those huge revolvers are a lot harder for most people to shoot well, and much more expensive to practice with. You can run drills with a 10mm for hours at a fraction of the cost. The best gun is one you can shoot well, and that's usually going to mean the 10mm out of this lineup.
That Ruger is absolutely gorgeous. Wow 🤤
Thanks...I needed a laugh this morning. I think some take you to seriously...LOL Slow bears are better then fast bears!
I love my Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in .480
The biggest advantages of a 10mm seem to be lighter weight and the ability to attach a flashlight. I'm not sure how relevant the higher capacity is when one considers that bear defense is usually a quick and dirty affair, not a prolonged shootout with multiple armed and determined bears. (Feel free to provide examples if I'm wrong). In what I understand to be the typical scenario, the much greater power of the big revolvers seems like a more important advantage than magazine capacity- if you can shoot them with reasonable speed and accuracy.
@Bronski Turboski Although none of the standoffs I've had with dangerous animals required a gun, all were very fast and *surprising.* I'm not saying capacity isn't any advantage at all, I just don't think it's much of an advantage.
Speaking completely from ignorance, it seems putting more rounds on target in the same amount of time would be a positive.
Yeah but your chances of actually bringing a large brown bear down with a 10 mm or 50/50 or less ask any old-timer or experienced guide they laugh at you guys talking about using a 10 mm as a bear defense weapon it's a joke if you ask me
@@gregalcorn-pu5ye As long as you have a heavy, hardcast bullet it will get good penetration. If you can't shoot something more powerful with reasonable speed and accuracy it's not *that much worse* than the bigger pistol calibers. At the end of the day unless you step up to a rifle (or the X-frame S&W calibers which are basically rifle calibers) you're just poking holes. Would I rather have a .44 or a .480? Sure. But most people can't handle that. Some people really hype up the 10mm because of the capacity, I think it's an option because it has enough juice and is manageable.
That 454 was going all over the place during rapid fire....
"I'm an amazing rifle shot, I shoot running animals all the time". Chuke 2021 hahahahhahah
Remember slow is fast fast is slow. Also the sticking cases you might try polishing the cylinder worked great on my Taurus
Probably the answer! And yes to slow is fast!!
Slow is Smooth. Smooth is fast.
With a charging beast, you'll run out of time long before you run out of bullets. Unless you're in a running gun battle, ammo capacity is irrelevant. ONLY shot for shot damage matters. And yes, since you're wondering, I would absolutely take a 2 shot 25mm break action cannon over a 6 shot magnum revolver any day 😁
Great video, brother 👍🏻
Thanks! And those are some good points!
Chuke you are the man. Pistols are a lot harder to shoot than rifles. I am the same way. Great with a rifle but mediocre with a pistol. I have a job and a family and other priorities with my free time than mastering pistols but I’d like to work at it more.
Thanks bud! Yeah takes time to train and it’s hard to come by!
As a Bear Alaskan bear Guide let me throw a couple thoughts out. The 10mm for black bears is ok most of the time. The 460 in a shorter barrel is the absolute way to go! With the Garret Grizzly protection rounds it will shoot through a Grizzly skull and exit out is butt hole! Not joking, it also shoots .460 s&w 45Long Colt, 454 casuall! 10 mm won’t do crap to a charging grizz or brown, read the reports. The 460, is amazingly accurate and is SO versatile!
Uhh 10mm will take down a griz you read the reports
What reports you goofy flatlander? 10mm is fine for grizzlies.
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great I have 5in 460 it's power is amazing recoil not horrible either
@@danhughes3626 good deal. I tell people draw a grizz on cardboard and shoot it 5 or 6 times as fast as you can. Do this daily before a hunt.
You are shooting a dry 480. Ruger oil/clean the shit out cylinders Break-free or Graphite lube U R funny love the channel & intro.
Another great vid on the most-awesome Best Meter! Thanks, Chuke!
Chuke, if you run the numbers for the 454 Toklat VS the 454 Alaskan (I have both and have compared them), for any common load, you get a lot more velocity out of the Toklat, yet it weighs only about 6 ounces more. The result is that both the perceived and actual recoil from the Toklat is worse than from the Alaskan. The 480 Alaskan has even less recoil when you can match bullet weights with a 454 (or at least come close) for a fair comparison.
What is the velocity difference? I wanna buy one of these 2 and I like the Alaskan more because it's more compact but I am concerned about the loss in muzzle velocity from 2.5 inch barrel.
7,5 barrel even more
@@gladonos3384 I recall about 300 FPS less velocity with the Alaskan than the Toklat. I can shoot two or three cylinders with the Alaskan when I am feeling adventurous. With the Toklat (and I love the Toklat), one cylinder is about all I can do on any given day.
This was awesome. Pretty funny but very real!
Thanks for the video.
I may not carry the best for bear defense. However, for the times when I am backpacking with photographic equipment and cannot carry a shotgun or rifle for protection from black bears, feral hogs, or wild dogs, I carry a 6-inch 357 magnum S&W revolver loaded with 200 grain hard-cast lead flat-nose ammo or a 6-inch HK USP Elite loaded with 255 grain hard-cast 45acp ammo.
Sounds like a good choice to me! Thank you!
I honestly think any of those guns you have will do just fine. I’d rather have more room for error with the Glock 20 being that you have 15 + 1. I will be ordering a 10mm Glock and carry it with heavy loads when I’m in bear country. Great video! 🤠👊🏻
Maybe when I travel to Alaska I can meet the Chukester in person and do some 10mm shooting? 🤠
I can't even imagine holding a ready semi auto going through heavy brush. Twigs and branches don't care about your trigger discipline.
Ever heard of a holster?@@ih8humanity
Yep. "Glock leg" is a realistic consideration. Not so with revolvers.
Definitely the 454 Casull cartridge is the true winner. Better suited in the Freedom Arms model 83 revolver. The Ruger Super Redhawk has had lots of trouble with sticking cases.
You would shoot a 44mag 629classsic s&w 6 1/2 inch at normal power level with if you could get them as light as 200gr heat treated hard cast, less recoil than 300 gr bullets, you would actually enjoy shooting that compared to what you have now, and it will still out penetrate the 10mm, I have no trouble putting it through the bullseye with mine,
You should carry at least 2 pistols incase you have trouble with one,
You should give an M1 Carbine 30cal a try, as they can penetrate a car battery in both directions a
30/30 can't do that or a 223 , and it's nearly as easy to shoot as a 22 or 223, and a very simple gun with less problems as the M16 far less complicated,
Thanks for the comment, that’s good advice!
Just spent 2 weeks in Wyoming and Montana with my trusty Glock 20 in a chest holster. Ammo selection probably wasn’t the best, Underwood 200 FMJ, but in today’s world you have to use what you can get ahold of!!!
Try some TUI, your accuracy will increase so much it will blow your mind
What’s the best kind of 10mm in areas with big grizz? I’ve seen Buffalo bore misfeed on some of these RUclips videos too much for me to want that. Any others?
I've never found the super redhawk in these heavy calibers to be on par with other makes/models. Not that Ruger's in general aren't good quality guns...but I've seen more than one super redhawk with extraction problems in .454 and .480. I have owned both calibers (and still have the .480)in Taurus Raging Bull revolvers and not only did they not have ANY issues, but they're far more pleasant to shoot! While the.454 was a significant step up in recoil, the .480 is no worse in perceived recoil than a .44 or heavy loaded.45 colt. I'd happily trade that one round capacity to have a gun I not only shoot better but can rely on!
I found your video informative. You said two things that I found very interesting. First, you said you shoot your rifle the best, that should be your number one weapon. You mentioned that you need time to practice with your revolvers, who has the time or MONEY to practice with this expensive ammo? My opinion, rifle first, revolver second, knife third. Carrying a heavy rifle is well worth the added safety, How fast you can fire a revolver, 10 mm and be accurate. Your rifle is #! No doubt
Absolutely, good point!
There goes your whole semi auto argument down the drain. 17 shots missed aren't as good as one hit
My go to is the 10mm RockIsland or 41mag charter arms for dangerous game.
Love the real world data. Good video brother!
legendary intro, i love it
Hey Chuke, please tell me what part of Alaska u live in, always thought about relocation. Thanks
I had a stuck case in my raging bull 454 a couple of months ago when trying to load maximum charge of Lil gun powder and 300 gr Nosler partition, I had to beat a case out with a punch, the other rounds I fired were ok. I backed off the powder charge for reliability.
And how many bears have you killed in that tight situation you just explained? Somehow i have a feeling the killcount aint that high.....
Hollow points tend to clog with bear hair , got soft points ?
4:19 imagine a big ass bear charges out of the background while you are presenting ammunition LOL
Compared to where your handgun shooting was 2 years ago your much improved brotha, have you tried taking a pistol class with your glock 20?
A red dot I think once you got down would make the glock 20 the winner hands down in my uneducated opinion
Will the 10 mm be enough against a bigfoot?
I thought your Ruger Alaskan in 44 mag was your favorite and top choice? If you check out the 44 mag 340gr. +P+ and compare it to the 480 Ruger, the 340gr 44 mag generates more energy than any 400gr 480!
You seem to shoot faster with the 10mm .. slow down a bit & shoot better than the heavy recoiling 454 .. don't spray & prey
What grain were you shooting thru the 10mm chukes 🤔
I would use my 460 S&W X-frame revolver with 454 Casull loads. Has a 5 inch muzzlebrake equipped barrel and weighs just over 60 ounces unloaded. Lower recoil impulse than the full power 460 S&W magnum but powerful nonetheless.
Love ya Chuke! Please practice a lot and correct the accuracy!
Shooting max power ammo in any gun is just asking for trouble. I've tried lots of super powerful ammo with lots of different guns and they are definitely less reliable. Reliability is the more important than a extra 100 ft lbs
I hit the like button just for the intro
Thank you sir!
So the 480 ruger has a 6-shot cylinder? I see other videos where it has a 5-shot cylinder.
The one I have has six but some were made with five
Wipe shells with denatured alcohol cloth on the 480 shells after reloading and clean cylinder real well too !
My $0.02
Slow down and shoot.
“Accuracy is final.”
Wyatt Earp
454 all the way. There’s no substitute for reliability and function even under extreme conditions the Ruger revolver wins.
Chuke, when you get your Glock skills tuned, the extra velocity of a 6 or 7" Glock 40 barrel in your Glock 20 would be on the top of my list. The 2" you are sacrificing are a bunch for bear IMO. I just went with the 40 to start with for the additional muzzle weight. Tough to hip carry longer than 6" without a huge cant to accommodate sitting. Be safe 👊
Sig X10 or Glock 40? Hummm
OMG!!! I love that new opening!!! Who did that for you?????
All 3 are good for bear. I would push away from the 10mm. I'm sure many have hunted bear with them. I'm talking from limited experience in the Colorado Rockies. I started carrying my dad's Phelps Heritage 45-70 revolver. It was worth too much to carry around and bang up on a rock. My boss at the gunshop I was working at gave me a deal on a older model of a Marlin 45-70. I just carried it around in a nylon scabbard. I would have used leather but it takes too long for leather to dry out. Leather in the city nylon in the mountains. It's a good system for me. What ever you car to do.
In my place in the mountains (7500’) in the West, lower 48……..7 times up close. Close enough to smell them…..Even smaller brown & black bears that are close to my place make for a spooky day. If my hands were not so banged up I would carry something bigger than my S&W model 13 in 3”. That said, they are NOT Grizzly Bears. So, if all an old dude with bad hands can handle is a bull barrel .357 but nothing bigger, what round would you recommend? Thank you Sir! Great channel! Thanks & GBU!
I had the case sticking problem with my Ruger Super Redhawk in .480 as well. Not every type of ammo, it was much more prevalent with certain .480 rounds, but what a pain. Had to jam the empties out from the front of the cylinder with a rod.
Summer dress,t-shirt and shorts carrying micro carry like a 380 acp in florida were you can run into and people have run I to blk bear and off COURSE, gators. Was looking at Buffalo Bore' s 380 in Hardcast standard pressure OR they have a +p 380 in Hardcast OR Lehigh Defence' s Xtreme Defender's. What do you think.?
I wonder if you would do better by firing the first shot in single action, take just a hair more time with the sight picture and trigger squeeze, then use the double action if he keeps coming closer. He'll probably drop his head as he comes in for your leg exposing the top of his skull? Even a good chest hit with the first one might make a difference.
Good points and strategy I would say!
Are there cases of bears walking threw the 45 acp? I’m not talking non fatal hits, decent shots.
Yep!! Four with 45 acp and one with 45 super! 👍🏾
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So if that happens every time with Buffalo bore ammo, why are you using it? That makes no sense! The problem is not the gun, maybe try nickel plated brass as in Underwood ammo. Nice video!!!
Use the one you think is best is the best job. And you keep it real when shooting
I like my Glock 40 mos, Glock 29 a lot. Also have a JR edition Smith Wesson 5" .500 mag.which is my favorite big overkill gun,but I will say that 454 Casull you have is bad as. Dick Casull also built a.38 cal 1900-2000 fps killer pistol on a 1911 chassis. Came close to buying one. Casull definitely knew how to hotrod a cartridge.
Chuke definitely on drugs when he made that intro 😂
My 480 had that issue when it was new. It loosened up after a couple trips to the range.
FN 510-nuff said
That is exactly right I don't relay on 10mm 44auto and up one shot one kill
Absolutely agree. Be prepared and aware gun in hand. Preferably a large rifle but if a handgun also be at the ready. Practice is paramount. I can't understand why the 480 Ruger hasn't become more popular as it is an amazing cartridge. Ammo is difficult and expensive and even projectiles for handloading are very difficult and expensive. We have far more bears than people at our cabin in northern WI and the bears average 400lbs with the largest ones up to 600lbs + and we see them constantly. Being treed is no joke. Be prepared.
600 lbs in northern wisconsin ??? Where at ?
@@totljag1 9/2020 Just outside Merrillan, WI Naiya Iraci shot a 720lb dressed weight bear estimated to weigh over 800lbs live. 9/2010 Bryant, WI Braden shot a 737lb bear
Look up largest bears killed in WI. This quote is from the WI DNR website "The opportunity to harvest a bear is better than 40% for most zones and some of the biggest bears in the country are taken in Wisconsin. Several bears registered by hunters each year top 600 or 700 pounds!" You'll be surprised how many bears are taken in excess of 600lbs
@@frankbrowning328 and I’m up there 4 wheeling in Iron River Michigan with no firearm 😂😂😂
@@totljag1 Most of the time they run once they smell or hear you. We have a lot of bears on our property outside Medford and we see them often. Out of many encounters only had 1 with a big bear that treed me during bow season. I got him to leave by shooting my handgun into the ground but he didn't go far and waited for me to leave to resume his activities
@@frankbrowning328 dam !
I heard that 480 brass getting stuck was a problem with the caliber so that is why Ruger discontinued is that true and is there a fix for it?
Razor Dobbs and his cape buffalo hunt with a 10mm... nuff said... and Sonny Crockett carries one....... Sonny Crockett
😂😂👍
Yep, that's why Norma's original 10mm ammo - a 200gn FMJ-FP @ 1200fps - is called 'a Sonny Crockett load.' ... Of course, with today's hybrid propellants, you can easily get 200grns @ 1270fps with less pressure than the 10mm ammo of the 1980s. And then too, we have much better bullet-technology than what they had back then. Even still, the original 200grn load specs are still pretty potent. Today we can turn to UW, BB, and DT for any of a number of high-performance 10mm loads. I luv me some 'Heavy & Fast' Best Meter ammo!
Sonny Crockett is a fictional character.
Nope. I was living in Miami back in the late '80s. Detective Crockett was puttin' 'Dangerous Dudes' face-down on the concrete every week.
@@philkearny5587 This was season 4, Deliver Us from Evil and it was not the 10mm Bren Ten, but a 645 Smith & Wesson, but you'll get the point we're trying to make, Don Johnson's/Sonny Crockett/ Burnett was a definitive person in some of our upbringing a hero if you will, but not always the good guy
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How bout the 480 red hawk ruger Alaskan with a 9 inch barrel? It will give you more velocity per second ! & a more steady point of aim , like a short rifle 😏
I always go out with a gal of atleast 180 or up.
This video is what I want to see since I have a Glock 29sf in 10mm and two Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan revolvers one in 454 Casull and one in 480 magnum so want to see what gun is better for carry for bear protection :)
Speaking of 480 ruger I hope ruger releases a marlin chambered in 480. Someone told me there was a limited release 1895rl chambered in 480 a few years back but I have yet to come across one.
Why not add the 460 Rowland
That’s a great choice too. I hope to get another one someday.
What about 50 ae pistol.
That’s a great choice too…
The extra reciprocating mass of the slide adds to muzzle flip. Also the fact that the Desert Eagle can be picky about its ammo would make me feel unsure. A competent round, but I think a good 454 is the way to go.
That intro got my blood pumping! 😬
Interesting about the binding. Do you have an answer?