3 things That make Models uncomfortable on a shoot
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- Sorry for the bad acting, but we want to show what models shouldn't see and what photographers do to make models feel very uncomfortable during a photoshoot. We shoot with over 100 models a year and get their feedback during Workshops and all the things they really find uncomfortable and shoots that photographers do. This video was a bit of a piss-take, but if you look at it carefully everything we did was based on things that models told us they've had happen during shoots.
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If we’re uncomfortable watching, can you imagine how a model would feel going through that? Well done.
Yes exactly
Exactly
Exactly what I was about to write
“This isn’t nude, she has a hat on.” I’m done 😅. This was hard to watch knowing there are real photographers treating models this way. Great job getting your points across.
Yes unfortunately this happens too often that's why we do this video
And so many aren't even "real" photographers. They are "model" photographers but only because they want lots of women around, and some women are naive enough to believe that somehow that might mean they get signed to a modeling contract somehow. I always thought this was something creepy guys did, and that Tin Box Studio recently did a video with much the same opinion of those guys. Not only creepy, but dangerous in some cases. For whatever reason, many of these "model" photographers like to take pictures of "models" on railroad tracks. The danger should be obvious, but apparently it isn't to some when they do this, and about 5 years ago a male photographer and woman were hit and killed by a freight train they somehow didn't notice despite the noise and shaking of the ground. The reason I'm putting model in quotes here is that unless the woman is being paid for her work she isn't truly a model, it's just her giving her time away so some weirdo can creep on her. We are, even post 9/11, pretty free to take photos of trains provided we aren't being total idiots about it but people like these model photographers actually on the tracks risk ruining that freedom, and we are also pretty much free to take photos anywhere in public in the USA but that is risked by inconsiderate people like Bruce Gilden and those like Trevor Wisecup that seek to emulate him. That lack of courtesy undermines the PR of photographers and could very well result in restrictive laws down the road, just because something is legal doesn't mean one should forget good manners and courtesy. Getting right up in someone's face with a camera is rude, especially when using a flash like Gilden, and frankly has no particular value as a photograph, it is basically the photographic version of a shock jock on radio.
So I think, and wish, people in photography in general would think in terms of being courteous whether working with a hired model or taking landscapes or cityscapes, etc. If people don't mind their manners all of photography will be lumped in with the paparazzi and whatever comes out of that will not be a good situation for anyone.
That one got me also -- it's just so absurd that I would expect a model to smack a photographer who used that line!
@@Anon54387 Do you know that video? I would really like to watch it.
LOL honestly the skits in this video were spot on. I feel bad for anyone who has to go through that. But I'm glad you guys were able to point these things out with a sense of humour!
“I liked your pictures on instagram. That feel” Peter’s deadpan delivery is at the level of a world class stand comedian’s delivery
Thank you
'Make it posey' love it . 'Back massage' OMG i nearly chocked on my tea and toast!!! Great topic and good to see from a models point of view . Its a team that makes the picture
Glad you enjoyed it
"this isn't nude, she has a hat on" 🤣
This 🤣. I cracked up
Best line! lol
Alright, I know this wasn't serious "Acting" but, You two generally have me in stitches when you do bits like this. That said, I worked with a young Lady in Calgary many years ago when I worked in TV who after about 10 minutes of instruction to what the "shoot" was looking for (it was actually for a montage for the station I worked for showing me videoing this young lady in one of our studios) began to "lose" articles of clothing between takes until she was about to take her shirt off. I once again explained what we were doing and that this was a Family Friendly shoot when she told me, and I'm not kidding, "but I'm always asked to go at least topless". She actually put me off photography for a couple of months. Modelling can either be the best job in the World or the absolute most shit job in the World, and it's guys like you Peter, who make the universe of photography better for everyone. I will usually sit with a Model now, especially if I don't know them and have a coffee and just talk for a few minutes. It relaxes the person, I can get a couple ideas across and as we become comfortable I am more inclined to give directions and a relaxed model is more willing to try and work with me to achieve a good picture. I have never asked for anyone to appear nude or even partially nude but have had several Ladies that I've worked with before tell me they would be okay with a nude shoot with me. I take photos because I love how light and shadow play with each other and getting an interesting image with a person who works with me, that is where I'm happy and hopefully the model is on board too. Take care - Dave
thanks heaps Dave
"just model". I LOLED :). Honestly, there's a TON of great information in here. Not just "dont' do this" but real examples. This might be one of the best videos on the channel. Bravo!
Awesome, thank you!
Your skit is painfully spot-on with what I hear a lot from models.
That and photographers getting "handsy" which is just mind-boggling that anyone thinks that's OK.
Working a lot in fine-art and figure work, I like working with professional models, where I can explain my goals for the shoot; get their feedback based on their experience, knowledge of their own bodies, and creative ideas; work out the lighting plan; and then do the shoot. Throughout, we exchange feedback and ideas or refinements that we come up with on the fly (so many times, serendipity strikes!). That makes for an incredibly productive and rewarding session.
This video has the finest recreated deadpan photography satire scenes I’ve seen here. Great video and great tips.
This docu could easily be a sort of a comedy show; the content seems to be absurd, but so real on the other side, ...classic, reliably working mechanism for such a format.
That awkwardness when you were bullying here by not saying anything and 'don't move or I lose my focus' got my cringing 😲Can't imagine ever treating a model that way. But good that you two show it!
I of course realize all these conversations were fake, but I could still listen to you two banter about all day!
thank you
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer It really was one of those rare videos about photography type stuff that was truly amusing, good job you two.
As a newbie to the industry, I know I sucked at the first and didn't really know what to say or do. There are the common sense "don't make it sexualized" type of comments, but I didn't know how to "direct" what I wanted. But I worked with a pro model, who made me feel more comfortable, after about 15 minutes with her, I felt better. We started collaborating together rather than it just being about taking a photo. But I liked this video. Such great conversation. Thanks!!
Thanks for watching
I love your comment of collaboration. I think the photographer/model relationship should be just that, which requires the respect, communication and mutual trust demonstrated in this "3 things..."
My first shoot with a model was also with a seasoned pro and she was so good at helping me get started. It really set the tone for future shoots as I had a template of how to proceed with others down the line. To this day I have an outline in my head of how a shoot will go, but it always goes down fun tangents based on the model's personality. That's where the real creative fun is.
Bec's face when Peter is acting out the different photographer styles. Haha priceless. I am ADHD so I am guilty of talking too much. I have really enjoyed the "cool cool" comments because it has helped me really focus back on fun, but direct, feedback conversation.
So Happy I can help
I got uncomfortable just watching this so good job on the acting skills. lol
Love this so much......The acting! The breaking during the acting! The micro posing!! It really is performance art guys.....lol. I could not stop laughing when Bec said, 'How should my fingertips be.' The Peter & Bec theater company is the gift we did not know we needed 😂
Thanks for understanding what we were doing
This needs to be a series. Painfully hysterical.
Wow. What a way of getting your point across. Those reenactments didn't half make me feel extremely uncomfortable, about those other photographers, not you two.
It's sad that there's people out there who are actually like that.
Awesome video guys. As always. 👍🏻
Thnak you
I really love you included the parts where you couldn't hold it together yourself, because it was really weird watching the serious part...
Thanks it was so hard
Bec's face for those 3 points:
In the 1st = What i have to do?
In the 2nd = What he want me to do?
In the 3rd = What am i doing here?!?!
Great job!
"This is a film camera, it can't go onto the internet." haha
I been to a good number of shoots, helping photographers by setting up lights, swapping out lenses, wrangling costumes and the like, and many of them do the exact same thing you've touched on especially the third one! It creeps me out so I know it is next level for the models! Good talk, great lesson. Cheers!
Re-enacting crappy photoshoot sessions was genienly funny, I couldn't help myself but laugh. Very nice, love the humor. 😆
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you for this video. As an amateur photographer, this was very insightful for me. 😮 You guy's really show us that a photo shoot is a collaborative process and communication is very important. 😊
Glad it was helpful
OMG I had such a fun time watching this. I teach photographers and I’ve seen each of these and I have to step in to keep things going. The most important thing is communication and each of these shows lack of communication. You can have the best gear, perfect lighting, and a total pro talent but without a good interaction you got nothing.
Yes thanks
Pretty funny, but I appreciated knowing the most important issue is not enough feedback and what kind of feedback is helpful. I've often wondered how much models care about seeing some of the images in camera. It's nice knowing how much you appreciate it because it can help you get the 'vibe' of the shoot.
Brilliant video, grinning the whole time watching it, reinforces how good of a working relationship you both have, well done, and also highlights what some people are expected to put up with and it shouldn't be that way. I'm glad you both nvested in time and energy to put this out there
Thanks so much!
This is why workshops with you and your team are so good. You teach and show, you tell the go‘s and no go‘s as well as the do‘s and don’t‘s.
I can‘t make it this year, unfortunately, but yöu will see me again, probably next year🤩 take care
Wow, thank you heaps
Favorite line , She’s not nude, she’s wearing a hat” ha! What a fun way to get your points across . You’re both a good team together.
Thank you
This is a classic. The acting is great. I see so many people asked models to pose and move exactly as they want and you can see the models are uncomfortable.
Thanks for mentioning these. It's a good reminder to bring some energy and laugh a lot. Getting the model to collaborate with ideas has been difficult in my area.
Hahaha! That "hold, don't move" is very common among photographers.
Great idea for discussion!
During a shoot, something happened in the background, which caught me unaware, and made me laugh... But, damned if it didn't upset the model, who was just changing the pose, and freaked her out... Gone!
No explanation could recover from 2 seconds of "fate"...
Great advice, and always good to hear the model's point of view. The issue that models tell me however is that often they have to put up with these kinds of antics because that is what is on offer from photographers e.g. over posing on kitchen counters. They don't want to pose this way, but they want to get paid.
This is brilliant. I’ve learned SO MUCH from you over the last year. Thank you!
Happy to help!
"Give me the eye" ..... frickin hilarious
“This isn’t nude. You’ll have a hat on.” 😂😂😂
keeping a straight face while while doing this is amazing
it was very hard
"Just model". Brilliant! Great video as always.
Thank you so much, as always informative and useful! Thank you Peter and Bec!
Our pleasure!
Because standing in one spot ‘look like you do in Instagram’ - so painful it’s priceless!
Superb demonstration of what not to do when potographing a model. You make it look very easy when shooting seriously. It takes such a demonstration to realise how difficult a job is to pose a model while not actually posing her, allowing the model to give you the look ou want by subtle guidance.
Thanks heaps 😁
This is brilliant. One of your best. Funny, awkward, but invaluable. "We're not very good actors" says Peter when they both get the giggles but, in fact, you are good enough actors to get the point across. I am a life-model at colleges and stuff and although the work I do is obviously very different, I completely identify with the lack of feedback point, and the second point too concerning over-working a pose. And yes, I liked the "This isn't nude. She has a hat on." line too. Brilliant. Well done to you both.
Thanks heaps
When I worked with new models I would sometimes pose myself to show them what I wanted. I looked ridiculous but it helped get the point across. And it was a good laugh which helped relax the model.
This is awesome!!! 😄Painful to watch, but absolutely on point, so funny! The "back massage" was pure gold.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The flat hands on the head was comedy gold. More of this please. That was super fun. I would add a fourth; provide a safe and professional working environment. Inviting an unfamiliar lone subject into your dungeon or grotto is gross.
yes exactly
Sound advice guys, communicated in a humorous and therefore very memorable way. Thank you for this, much appreciated.
thanks
Guys, really great topic. Thank you for making this video. I'm sure I've fell into the micro-posing trap a few times.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you ! If this video gets one up and coming photographer to think about how they interact with their models it's a win!!! Also thanks for the laughs!!! 👍🏻
Thanks
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer Enjoy your sharing of knowledge!!
Great video to let other models know what is and isn't good photoshoot conduct as well. Love the humor approach 😂
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well done, I was uncomfortable simply watching the beginning. Great acting IMO.
Stunning Peter!! Giant vídeo! Incredible ! I love your work! I have a great time watching the video!! Thank youuuu!!
Thank you
Kinda cringy but a necessary watch. You never know as a photographer when mistakes like this are made, and having them laid out is like a necessary must have check list of things to make sure things are not coming across the wrong way.
Brilliant video. Great lessons any photographer must understand 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
I almost fell off my chair, this was hilarious 😆 thanks, really good video. Best, Thomas 📸
Thanks! 😃
I haven’t laughed so hard at a photography video in a long time because I’ve heard soooo many similar stories!!!😂. Great video!
Thanks so much!!
Just excellent, thanks for thinking of it, because I think far too many people who think they're a photographer react in an inappropriate way, whether by gesture or word.
I think a model is excellent when she's at ease, when she feels good, that's when you do quality work.
Thank you Bec and Peter
🙏🙏🙏
Thanks heaps glad you enjoyed it
Thanks to you both for your advocacy on behalf of models.
Thank you too!
Sooo good. About the talking you have to get into it. In the videos Peters constant feedback might seem a bit overdone, whereas in his real live workshops this is exactly the right thing.
Thank you
I don't care what nobody says... as someone that's transitioned into video.. this is the most amazing shot EVER from Peter on video. The camera and tripod for depth and definition and the spacing from the background for separation oh my freakin GOSH!! I wish I had such space to do that in my lil ol 25x12 studio. Agreed, "Sexy" is the reason we as professional photographers don't get taken seriously. Stick to "cool cool cool" and things will be cool! That lazy, bland quiet photographer skit was awesome! Total point made!
Sensational video! Great performance from both!!
Thank you kindly!
Sad to hear this have happened to people. Now these takes however are absolutely hilarious! Sometimes we can only laugh at the misery.
Would be great to hear the 3 things that makes photographers uncomfortable on a shoot.
I had just the audio of this playing on my morning drive, but it conveyed everything. Well done. Shooting portraits and fashion requires good personal skills and rapport. Peter and Bec, I do have a question (and maybe you have answered this already in another vid), but I have been curious as to what for you is paying work. Is most of your work commissioned, or are you shooting mostly what and how you want for a target market? I ask because I am curious, as someone who shoots as a side gig, why models are hired outside of contracted jobs.
These days 95% of my work is commissioned and I have full control, this took 20 years to get to this point
To me as a portrait and artnude photographer I have amused myself watching this video. It is all so obvious and I really don’t understand those photographers that are acting like this and that they wondering why the models aren’t coming back to them.
Since my start as a artnude/ portrait photographer I have never actually like this.
Very well done, I am a die hard fan of your work and your way of working.
Thank you
I love that you chose to act these all out. Was like watching a sketch comedy.
Thank you
The old classic was " your looking very warm, why not undo a few more buttons...."
The very reason why I’ve never even attempted to do a model shoot in 10+ years I’ve been shooting, is exactly this - the potential cringe scenarios like this and the awkwardness and stress I may inadvertently cause. This was funny and helpful thank you
Thanks for watching
Oh my goodness this was both hilarious, valuable AND hard to watch, knowing the background for having to do this. Oof.. I feel bad for any model that has to go through anything like this or worse.
😂the way you’re holding your finger tips is changing the muscles in your arm, and then I just cracked up 🤣
Lols :)
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer This brought a memory from a story that my dad told us about firing a photographer. He was working for a large advertising company in Chicago in the mid 1960’s on a beauty products account. The photographer that the agency was using was frequently firing models. This was causing huge time delays and upsetting the client. They were hoping to have consistency in models in each of their product lines.
When my dad attended a shoot he was surprised to see the photographer was rude and berating a model. During a rant he told the model that she can’t even to hold her hands right. Your fingers look too sharp. Now I wonder how many terrific models that this abusing idiot ruined.
You work with your models. They respect you as they feel that you respect them. When everybody is relaxed then good results come out of it.
😂 I couldn’t wait for the reaction at 8:36 😂
Absolutely a great video. Exactly what I've seen with other photographers! I am a photographer for a very long time, and only 3 years doing portraits and art nude. Almost all ladies do want to come back because I am not doing al these examples and respect them as they are.
That bit at 3-4 minutes really caught the point...it also makes the photographer look like a real... "Pseudo professional"!
This hurts... right to the fingertips...
"She has a hat on..." This photographer isn't *too, too obviously* a "boob man"...
Thanks Bec and Peter!
Thanks for watching
Love how you are acting it our so much, really get's me going. like "arhg okay okay I get it"
This is really interesting, and very well done. The skits - Peter, you missed your calling! Very believable, and painfully awkward. I’m cringing for this poor model as I watch this. “…how you’re holding your fingertips is changing the muscles on your arm…”. Riot.
Thank you
This is the funniest thing I've ever seen on your channel. You should definitely do more of this kind of stuff. I totally love it. The back and forth between the two. The total confusion in Bec. Priceless 😅
Edit after seeing the third bit now: Sad that this seems to be something Models have to deal with rather often. Number one rule is to never ever touch a model without negotiation and never cross or push for crossing a set boundary. Still I hear from Models about them being pushed every now and then, having to deal with unprofessional behavior :-/
Too much fun ! But very interesting. Great Job! Congratulations!
Thank you
Love your work, enjoy the content
Much appreciated
Very clear video. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Very instructive but hilarious as well and I agree that the model should not only play an inherent role in the process but also feel comfortable enough to tell the photographer what they are comfortable with or some of the looks and poses they want to achieve for they make the shoot. And the part about the hat was one of Peter's best ad libs ever--I don't see how he and Bec maintained so long for those example skits though. I was taking it seriously but still laughing from the get-go because quite frankly both of them ARE good actors even if they don't think it. Well done.
Thank you glad you liked it :)
Very hilarious! 😂 One of the best videos you have made. Thanks! Obviously you were unconfortable with this bad acting, but that actually nailed it. You got my comedy award. You could flip roles some time, Bec to shoot and Peter to modeling, would be interesting. But seriously, thanks for bringing up very important issue. I know this was just a mild version what happens, all sleezy things. Luckily those photographers are minority and like you said, models talk. So bad ones looses their jobs easily too. Another awkward situation is where both are beginners, maybe even first timers. First modeling, first shoot with a model. By doing both will learn. Anyway, please make more of these educational videos with different topics. With next interesting question I flip whole concept of this video upside down: what models do to make photographers feel very unconfortable?
Thanks great idea
This was way too funny! Great job from both of you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great advice, 👍. Thank you
Comedy Gold, but also really useful intel. "Make it beautiful" - my new favourite direction 😂
Great videos, very instructional and with a bit of humour in which are clearly sensitive topics. It’s amazing but not surprising unfortunately that this still goes on.
Yes sad it still goes on which was why we made this but also needed to add humour :)
This was cringy and difficult to watch. But you made excellent points and it is a message that a LOT of photographers need to hear. There are so many bad photographers out there taking advantage of models or wasting their time. Excellent video thanks for making and showing it.
Thanks so much
I'm an artist, gay, 30 years old, my background is in cinema, and for the last 14 years, I've also worked as a fashion and fine art photographer (mostly nude) in Europe and the US.
(1 and 2) I'm very particular with my vision and ideas to the point that I storyboard the fashion stories and give the models moods and actual story beats so they can follow the narrative I'm trying to create. I do give directions but the best most talented girls don't need directions they know the story where it leads and they create from there, for me is from where their collaboration comes. they often do things I hadn't thought about. I don't enjoy working with high-maintenance girls, if I did I'd work with new faces.
and like I do with actors sometimes I want the models to be scared, feel awkward, or bored and I purposely will not talk with them or be weird so I can get that authentic reaction.
(3) in regards to nudes. That's unprofessional af. The only photographers who show the models what they want to do during the shoot are amateurs. When the girl comes to work with me the agency has already checked their limits and showed her what I want to do, if has nudity etc. If a girl EVER says "I'm not comfortable with that" regarding something mentioned in the mood boards. I'll respectfully tell her the shoot is over. I'd call the agency and tell them why they wasted my time and ask them to send me a professional next time. It has happened to me before in a commercial shoot. (Not even nude) One of the models told me in front of the client she wasn't comfortable sitting on the lap of the male model because of some stupid reason ( she was married). I told her respectfully and privately to give the clothes to my assistant and my assistant posed as the female model. I'd never work with the girl again.
i love this episode, so funny and helpful.
My stomach hurts 😂. There should be a warning not to eat or drink during this video as it could end badly.
I had a splendid time watching this.
That was insightful. The model has to feel perfectly comfortable and safe. I loved my fashion/studio strobe course at Centre for Imaging Arts and Technologies at Dawson College in '95. The presence of one or two other models seemed to help them relax. I used a 28mm f2.8AF on my Nikon F90 using Speedotron 1200's? The model could move around and I didn't have to worry about depth of field. My teacher was very surprised when I told her I was using a wide angle. The sexuality came from the models comfort and facial expression and from two models interacting together.. We didn't dare imply we were trying to get the model to step out of their comfort zone. It was a whoop of a lot of fun. I miss that course. Another model I shot, in my bosses studio, I just threw on some rock'n roll and she just went to town in this incredible wardrobe she brought with her. Just the two of us. Again, I had my Nikkor 28mm f3.5 HC on my Nikkormat FTn. She wanted a set for a modelling agency, Kay Star. Naive and she stole my slides. This was in the early seventies.
Great video. It was hard to sit through the acting play scene because I felt to bad for Bec. So many models have told me the same horror stories. The cringe scenes was very cringy. Good job. LOL
Glad you enjoyed it!
Brilliant!!! Thank you to get me understand my mistakes!!! :)
Happy to help!
Peter's spot on impersonations brings out my 'auteur director induced PTSD'...
Love this!!! You guys are hilarious!
Great stuff playing out these 3 scenarios that seem like real interactions. And I concur: using language like "cool" "that's it", maybe even "right on" come across as far more professional than "sex-yyyy".
I recently viewed an interview with a top fashion model, and she also commented on how models could sense when photographers are about to violate the photoshoot playbook and go out of bounds in requesting models go nude during mid-shoot.
Thanks, Peter and Bec.
Thank you
OMG😂😂😂 I love this! And your acting was spot on...... If you had of said the eye one more time, I probably would have fell over. 😂😂😂 That is so true. I actually had a model say thank you for allowing me to be myself and just model. I think it goes a long way. Talk without being provocative to your model and make them feel uncomfortable . You will get more cool shots. Thanks for this.
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Good points to point out to make sure time share with model goes well.
LOL, great job capturing the awkward 🤣
6:40 that Duckface is hillarious 😂😂
The reality is that work works well with one person can be completely wrong to someone else. I’ve never had a problem but I’ve heard lots of horror stories from photographers and even from models about certain models who are unhinged.
The 'acting' was effective, it even made me uncomfortable as a photographer.
P: "But you're a model, aren't you?" [12:46]
M: "Yes, but you're not a photographer, you're a GWC."
#4. "Do not touch the model, unless it has been explicitly established that she is okay with it." [9:15]
Remember the Platinum Rule: "Do unto others as they would have done unto them."