Classic WoW Shadow Priest DPS
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Attempt to see realistic DPS numbers for Shadow Priests for 3 different gear sets.
(1. Pre Raid -2. BWL Gear - 3.Fully BiS)
RULES:
1. 4 min Patchwerk style boss fight
2. Close to realistic gear sets for pre-raid and BWLl gear (no High-ranking PVP gear or expensive crafted gear)
3. No world buffs or crazy consumables
4. Raid buffed and use of elixirs/flasks
5. Boss fully debuffed
Any comments or questions? let me know, please.
How is your mind flay putting out that much damage per second in pre-raid bis gear? Baseline, it only deals 142 damage per tick, and only gets 15% of your spell power per tick, and your initial cast with three stacks of shadoweaving was doing 497 damage per second. The only way that is achievable is with 1420 spell power. You only have approximately +355 shadow power from your pre-raid BiS gear. That means that, even with full stacks of Shadoweaving, you should only be doing 273 damage per tick with Mind Flay.
You also only need 4/5 Improved Mind Blast, to get its cooldown to exactly 6 seconds (which is the time it takes to cast Mind Flay twice). Going 5/5 is a wasted talent point, as the cooldown on Mind Blast going down to 5.5 seconds causes it to "clip" your mind flay and be ready too soon.
Your rotation is off on playing Shadow Priest. Your best damaging rotation is opening with SWP into a Mind Blast, then two Mind Flays, then Mind Blast, then two Mind Flays, then Mind Blast, two Mind Flays, then start over to repply SWP as needed. However, multiple times I saw you just chain casting Mind Flay without weaving Mind Blasts every 6 seconds. Why not? It's the most mana efficient, hardest hitting spell you have. The only time you should ever throttle your DPS like that is if you're having threat issues or if you need to be more mobile.
I don't like how you crop the video so we can't see your mana or what debuffs are on the target. It feels disingenuous, especially given that your numbers are far too large for what your gear should be capable of putting out even in the best, most likely scenario (5/5 Shadoweaving, Curse of Shadows, Nightfall proc, elixir of shadow power, greater arcane elixir, flask of supreme power, etc..)
As much as I want Shadow Priests to be valued in Classic (as I main one and have cleared all raids so far), I think this video is pretty misleading.
Should u not spam shadow word pain rank 1 to start to get 5 stacks of weaving up as quickly as possible ?
@@thepopeisdope559yes during raids
Note shadow priest..ability to drain life and AOE constant heal party... combined with respectable DPS numbers well. Shadow priests in Vanilla got little respect 'cept from those who really paid attention to the whole picture. And of course there's the shadow damage debuff on the targeted mob which increases shadow damage from any source really. I recall many raid leaders which would scrub a run if a shadow priest wasn't in the party,, and nobody said shit about gear score.. if you were in blues you were generally good. and lets not forget PvP... if a shadow priest took you out you spent most of hour wandering about without a face because the shadow priest had melted your face. A sin with a melted face was a special mark of shame for sin generally powned casters without even trying hard (stun lock em up and go to town on em. frustrating when you were on the receiving end because there was damd little you could do about it.)
If you only use mind blast ever so often, why spend 5 talent points reducing its cooldown?
Its because you have to add points into the shadow tree to progress into the deeper talents. Talent points in SWP are wasted since your DOT gets kicked off of a MOB halfway through killing it. The rotation is SWP - MB - MF - MF - MB. He has 1 wasted talent in mind blast because with 5/5 your second mind blast procs before your second MF ends. Therefore only 4/5 points are needed.
@@markk7283 yes but you only need 3 points in improved mind blast for the rotation and to progress in the tree
I'd only get improved MB for PvP honestly..
Dont forget the 10% more Shadow damage from your Shadow Weaving to warlocks in the raid.
If each warlock (6) pushes 1000 dps, that's almost 100 dps from Shadow Weaving x6 ofc cuz of 6 warlocks.
The buff alone gives the raid 600+ dps.
@@belroi-57 Dunno, i though it was just Nightfall (2h Axe) that gave 15% + spell dmg done.
Had calculator on Kronos 1 (at BWL release, only me crafted the axe, warriors slacked) how much my Nightfall effected the raid when i was testing retri.
Was stuck at 400 dps in BWL but under the Nefarian fight, it buffed around 280 dps and if i was really lucky with procs, it was over 350 dps.
@@belroi-57 No, it's about 6-8% procrate.
*Spell damage taken by target increased by 15% for 5 sec.* If you are a very heavy caster based guild, this is the weapon for any 2h user. Paladins can only push 400 dps like i said but an Orc with WF totem can easly go for 800+ dps with BWL gear.
@@MethosChannel with Seal of Righteousness proc rate of any weapon is doubled on paladins.
@@impaladba weapons chance on hit (like nightfall,tuf and the nicker etc) cannot proc with Seal Of Rightss, only with seal of command.
@@MethosChannel test on LightsHope (my own and actual online LightsHope) showed that they can. Everyone of them. Count of procs without SoR and with it was always 2times difference. Btw every Judgement of SoR also have a chance to proc on hit effects.
why would you spend 5/5 into improved mindblast, if you use it every 15 seconds?
@@str1ezi513 This is spot on for burst w/ cast and gcd timing, I'd argue that the extra half second is worth it for PvP however
For anyone wondering about Classic shadow priest, these numbers are not consistent with classic live. Im pretty close to your pre raid BiS I probably have more spell power due to Robe of Winter night. SW:P does not hit anywhere near as hard as your video, its ticking for 550, when on classic servers its much closer to 250 per tick. Same with the 2300 mind blast crit, not consistent with live.
A more realistic number for pre raid BiS would be about 300dps.
with the buffs he had 550 is possible, shadow is very underated in pve even 400 dps equates to 130 healing per second across the group, thats the same as a renew, when used in dungeons content becomes free
Yeah, no way his dots should be doing that much damage at that gear level, even with a flask
If Mindflay and SWP could Crit, it would've been wonderfull
Great series! I'm glad to finally see some real shadow priest numbers and they look good.
I love the style of video, few things of note though. I really wish you had shown the mana bars. Second is I don't know how often you will be afforded a debuff slot for SWP in raid guilds
Yea I also want to include showing debuffs on the enemy and my buffs but I have so little time putting these together as it is. I'm trying! =D
Also, I am pretty sure SWP is arguably the strongest ticking Damage over Time spells in the game. So with 16 debuff slots. it's fine.
@@FruitNut It might tick for more, but the instant cast Sbolts from corruption tend to get priority in my experience.
@@Aztal Maybe. I guess it will be up to the raid. It's an expensive spell and would stink to keep putting up when it gets kicked off. That's just how it goes though I suppose!
@@FruitNut Tip for future videos, include what buffs and cons you are having, how long did it take you to go oom, for how long do you last with runes and pot. Maybe even do a comparison with a fight where you have to move a lot, like Ouro.
Great video, loved the side by side comparisons especially, don't think anyone is doing that for vanilla. Just found your channel. Hope you grow big and with this quality I am sure you will. 💪
@@ribar4040 I might add a consumables and buffs portion to future videos. I am currently working a lot and don't have much time to make videos but i'm passionate so I try. Thanks for the encouragement!
One of my concerns is that DPS is being calculated on a boss that most likely has incorrect armor/resistance values for Vanilla
Yeah and not being able execute on a Warrior as well, and other talent builds that are much better when gear is accumulated like for example on a Hunter not going survival when you have over 500 or so Agility, for those 15% extra agility talents, adds considerable ranged attack power as well as crit.
As a Shadow Priest raider in vanilla, you are much better off skipping Improved Mindblast and rather going for Mental Agility, especially if you are lacking in the gear department
Your main goal, but also the pain breathing down your neck is mana management, Shadow Priests do quite good dps, I usually out dps'ed most of our Hunters during fights, but the thing you have to remember with Shadow Priest is that, even if you could go balls out, swinging your massive dps cock with hard hitting Mindblasts it WILL come back and bite you in the ass, and you will end up having to wand while keeping up rank 1 SW: Pain to maintain Shadow Weaving on the target.
My point is, shorter cooldown on Mindblast isn't needed, it makes you spam the ability more than neccessary and you drain your mana too quickly going balls deep, Mental Agility early on is a much better choice due to it decreases the mana use of SW: Pain and Mindflay.
Which is your two most used abilities to keep up and maintain Shadow Weaving while doing dps, the base cooldown on Mindblast is more than enough to fire a Mindblast between your Mind Flays. Also, why no Improved Power Word: Fortitude?
That is mandatory for Priests, especially Shadow-- You don't want to make yourself more useless than you already are, keep in mind; A Shadow Priest isn't needed to progress in a raid, it isn't mandatory, it's more a luxery, especially for your Warlocks to get that extra damage boost, which is the main point of why you are going shadow.
To be a damage boost battery for Warlocks, Fortitude is one of the strongest buffs in the game, it increases HP-- Why you would want to gimp yourself and miss out on that I don't understand.
x) And sure, other Priests have it, but let me tell you.. Being the only Priest, or few Priests in raid with Imp Fortitude is going to piss you off after a while, it's not the extra consumable cost, but the fact that you alone have to buff the whole raid because the other Priests doesn't have the talent, making their Fortitude useless compared to having you buff the whole raid; Point of it all? Pick Improved Fortitude to be able to buff your raid/group with the top dog buff, other Priests are going to enjoy having you around much more then knowing you atleast contribute to the buffing aspect since you are already not doing any healing..
I mean, you are litterally in the raid to buff others, not only Warlock damage, but also your other Priestly stuff, if you were there just for damage... Why wouldn't they choose a more reliable and ''better'' dps like a Rogue, Mage or Fury Warrior over your scrawny ass?
@@pend_deletewesleyflippin824 Yeah, I know-- But it's youtube, not an English essay :P
@@vegavega5344 If you take the time to write it, why not take 20 seconds to break it into some paragraphs so that someone actually reads it?
I read the whole statement. I agree 100%, if you're already struggling with mana consumption/regeneration then why would you make the cooldown quicker to a mana costly spell? It makes total sense putting the points into something else no doubt.
@@joe-3801 Exactly-- Imp Mindblast is a ''PvP'' talent tbh.
@@et5821 Fixed it for you man, sorry I was on some real amsterdam shiet..
How did you apply the debuffs on the private server you're playing on?
BiS chest is Robe of Winter Night, and BiS offhand is from the Linken quest
there is a "healer" naxx trinket with mp5 and an onuse mana gain. Doesnt increase dmg directly but with the increased mana you can last longer and do more damage overall. Worth a try imo
The talent build 21/0/31 is the optimum build for shadow priests for raids I'd argue, you get mental agility which cuts mana cost of instant cast spells by 10% which really helps for keeping higher ranked Shadow Word pain and mindflays going on the boss.
That said thanks for putting together these videos it's a nice look at how much damage each class can generate.
Just curious how you'd do 20/0/31? Here's what I'm able to come up with. It feels like you have to sacrifice a point in either Shadow Focus or Shadow Affinity, and neither is a great option.
@@ChadZeluff Skip points in mind blast and you will have plenty of point for both shadow focus and affinity, need to remember at least until a bit later in the raid cycle
you won't really have the mana pool to sustain mind-blast for extended encounters. At least for early raid tiers.
Mind flay also scales better in terms of damage than Mind blast as spell damage increases (Spell coefficient - MF 81% vs MB 43%).
Thank you!! I plan on playing shadow in Classic
Hey Fruit, I watch many vanilla youtubers, never heard of yours until now. Love the ACTUAL displayed evidence and numbers, the side by side of all 3 was cool! You are a great speaker and very calm.
Love these videos. Please do enhancement shaman after the ret!
Enhance was SOOOO bad. They really only had survivability and burst which is why they did ok in PVP.
@@toddrocks Yep. Enhance is too much of a dice roll to be truly effective in PvE.
You deserve more subs man
Question why are the parces from a certain other vid so different. In fact in mentioned vid the damage of shadow priest is similar to feral druids yet here its actually really good more than good enough to be viable. What gives?
one of 4 things - gear, rotation, spec, skill or a mix
But in classic you don't have a debuff slot free (1.12 = 16 debuffs slots on target) for using dots class, right ? so this dps is not quite representative, or am i wrong ? Anyway SP are still very useful for the regen mp/hp
They didn't regen mana for anyone until the 2.0 patch preparing for TBC. Also, both the hp & mp regens require a debuff slot each.
You don’t use vamp embrace and star fall/devouring plauge in raids. But most guilds leave 3 debuff slots for the shadowpriest, one for SWP, one for mindflay, and one for mind flay.
@FruitNut Thank you for the video. It gave me a lot of insight into the shadow priest. Side question....... I know they struggle with mana, so would the Darkmoon card the mana regen be good even into BWL? That way you could get more Mind Blasts and stuff like that? Also, what about the Sorcerer's Regalia around Molten Core Phase?
How do you do the rotations on these video's? Do you do them by hand, because it is easily possible for you to have 5-15% dps difference between tests. How many times do you run each test, and how much work did you put into getting tips of experienced raiding priests?
This is my class bro.
Any chance you could do the rest of the videos without using Dire Maul gear in the pre-raid BiS? Dire Maul won't be in phase 1 in Classic.
What item is from Dire Maul? I try to avoid using gear from content that will not be available and gear that I do not believe the average player will have like expensive crafted gear or expensive BOEs. I might make a mistake here and there but that is my intent for the Pre-raid gear set
@@FruitNut All right, loving your videos, looking forward to more!
I dont understand, how you are able to use spells all the time? Im 43 priest and after 2-3 rotations im out of mana lol. Is something changning on 60?
There is lalmost 0 mana per 5 gear around 40... at higher levels you'll find the gar you need for decent mana regen.
hey nice video, i am planning to play Shadow Prist one the classic Server so i am interest for the BiS gear sets do you have a link for my where i can look at them?
You don't use items for pre-riad from DM, but you use items such as the Crimson Felt Hat which was added even later?
@Xiverz Yes but the crimson felt hat and many others were addad or upgraded (such as the loot of the early BRD bosses) at around the AQ or an even later patch.
If you look at it, it is significantly better than the rest of the loot in the same dungeon. In the original lvl 60 dungeons (BRS, Stratholme, Scholo) and even the T1 sets there used to be hardly any item with spell damage. Most caster items only had iq, stam and spirit on them. The BiS caster weapon was considered to be the inventor's sword from Maraudon - if you weren't the lucky one to possess the Staff of Jordan.
@@ffarkasm Yeah, I remember that. At some point, the community and the devs realized that caster DPS barely scaled with gear because the itemization in the game was extremely low on +spell damage. So casters were falling WAY behind geared melee classes in DPS until Blizz made a lot more pre-raid magic damage gear available. And EVERYONE wanted that felt hat.
Did you use SW: Pain? How much less dps would you to without it?
on which server do you test all this?
Congratz on the gear gathered for watch category you have made man, but I do have some objections. 1. The imba mp5 buff by the pala is a great buff only available on ally´s, shamys cant share totems with other groups... 2. You don't have enough hit rating on your gear to constantly hit bosses in fact you only have 10/16% to hit the cap. 3. You say that you mind blast once every 15 secs, but in fact, you show using it every 4-5 secs (you use 2x mind flays + 1x mindblast and rinse).
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Why didn't you just take a target dummy and .morph it in to patchwork so you don't have to tank the boss whist you do your dps rotations?
shadow priest was the one 'odd' spec that really was good in vanilla. boomkins, rets, ferals, dps shaman all kinda sucked, but shadow priests were actually ok and brought some neat raid buffs. they could heal, restore mana, etc. if people looked at them more of a support class than "lol they have low dps" then maybe things would have been different. also you could mind control some mobs to give great buffs, like the flame resistance dudes before BWL/MC.
Nice vid. I plan to main a SP in Classic!
Don't, at least not for PvE. This video isn't just misleading, there's no way you'll actually pull these numbers. Scaling is probably off on whatever server he's on: Mind Flay ticking for 500 in pre-raid gear? Get real.
And even considering that, debuff slots makes Shadow worthless in raids altogether.
Meagree Yeah, I’m planning on doing pvp at endgame.
@@Meagreee they are removing debuff slots limitation on vanilla classic...
@@axelarvidsson2578 They are not.
@@Meagreee with no buffs(aside from wizard oil, the one that gives 24spd) and 252 spd from gear, my mindflay did 233 per tick(with 5 shadow weaving). This guy has 318 spd from pre-raid gear + raid buffs and consumes. Unfortunately, we can't see if he has warlock curse/nightfall up, but judging by the description he does. I guess doubling the damage is still not that realistic(and I'm not sure if you'll be able to have SW:P up), but I feel like getting close to 400/tick is possible.
Numbers are hard to believe ... i really in love with SP but dmg making and how hard to find a spot in raid will be that's what is scares me away.... don't even know now, is this true ? what do you think guys ?
Great videos bud, keep it up! Small suggestion, increase your audio levels a bit, it's a bit hard to hear you talk on my phone with no ear buds.
Also, with Mind Blast you pull an insane amount of Threat.
That’s why you have 2 talents to reduce your threat, and fade to further reduce it.
no lol mind blast does only 2x threat. if you mb 1500 you will create 3000 threat. not a big deal.
I'd sub but you have 420.. on principal i cant mess that up
so far so good.... but fmpov skilling into Spirit Tap is superfluous because you will very rarely put the last blow before killing in a raid.
Subscribed I like stuff like this good content get that info for the ones who want to try different this time around for classic
Nice videos my dude. keep em coming.
You should used Undead sprist for max DPS
Also are u using consumables like mana pots / dark runes / felwood food ?
That's the issue, undead caused issues because of a single spell compared to the rest. Dwarfs had an OP buff but the undead made the best Spriests.
I gave up picking races based on racials. It really isn't as fun and I want to have some variety. the DPS difference isn't that big anyway. Thanks for the comment! =D
You mean the dot that cost 1k mana?
You cant use that in raids.
@@abdulkek4821 good point
@@abdulkek4821 With inner focus its a free spell that has a 25% more chance to crit. Inner focus also has the same cooldown as Devouring plague, so it was a free dot
How do you get that smooth camera scrolling?
Is the sound of the shadow form the old one ? or still the new one
Question - do high end raiding shadow priests ever use Darkmoon: Blue Dragon for mana purposes?
I don't think it would hurt
I had one on my vanilla shadow priest. Granted it was my alt and was only allowed to go to raids that were on farm status.
I'm happy to see Spirest DPS actually wasn't that bad. I look forward to seeing your ret DPS video.
1 thing i wanted to see if you had tried was to forgo the 3 points in shadow affinity (25% reduced shadow spell threat) and put that in Mental agility from the disc tree (-2% per point cost of instant cast spells). You're already getting 20% threat reduction in the disc tree, does Spriest really need 45% threat reduction? Does mental agility work on mind flay and shadow word pain?
If it does, that could help with mana issues allowing more mind blasts, especially in early tiers. You could even take 2 points from improved mind blast and put those into mental agility until you get enough mana regen to use mind blasts more.
I have read that even with both threat reduction talents that you can have threat issues but this can differ depending on your gear and raid group. Mental Agility only works on SWP and would save you 47 mana per cast which doesn't really turn out to be very much since you only cast is every 20 seconds or so. Improved Mindblast is good for parts of fights where you need more burst. Thanks for the comments!
@@FruitNut Ah, I can never remember which spells the game considers "instant cast" since it's not always consistent. I was thinking mind flay counted as instant cast/channeled and might gain benefit.
If that's not the case, then I can see not using mental agility at all.
I've heard of some people having threat troubles too but it usually revolved around an early high crit from mind blast. Outside of threat reduction, everything else seems pretty much situational to put it in.
@@darkspectrum4772 As far as I can determine/remember, whether one should take Mental Agility or not is very situational. For example, Devouring Plague's mana cost was notoriously high. A 10% reduction to its cost could save you a LOT of mana when you used it, even if in general it was still expensive. My friend swore by it in vanilla. We were on opposing factions, and complete crap at the game, but still had fun talking during lunch at school.
@Andrew Stevenson the same was said about spriests. Spriests weren't even brought until the debuff slot limit was raised and only because it helped warlock dps that wasn't necessarily that good until later raid tiers.
@Andrew Stevenson every boss in vanilla has a ridiculously low dps requirement though. Even patchwerk's enrage is something like 400dps per player. If you're not able to beat enrage timers with a ret, the problem isn't the ret pally
why not undead? they have devouring plague race locked to them....
yeah this is rather important
Costs 1k mana per use, long cooldown and there wont be a debuff spot for it.
@@axelkriborg3153 doesnt matter when the cooldown is the same as inner focus+it doesnt have a shared GC which means you can insta-cast both with the proper macro. any good pve/pvp shadow priest specs into this.
@@Gutta2Sick well fear ward + desperate prayer 100% of the times the better choice anyway, that 25% crit is better used for Mindblasting with trinkets imo
@@Gutta2Sick Not to mention any dwarf can stoneform out of the devouring plague, aswell as druids/priests just dispelling it
Sorry these numbers aren’t right. I’ve been in raids in bwl gear and they are hitting a little over 200 dps no where close to what is in this vid.
Seems stupid that we cannot see the debuffs on the target. The dps seems super high, and the video description says "boss fully debuffed". With mindfaly ticks around 500 in preraid gear i can only assume that "fully debuffed" means it also has 100% uptime on nightfall and improved shadowbolt. Seems very unrealistic to expect these two debuffs to have 100% uptime.
Cool idea for a video but poorly executed imo. We need to be able to see which buffs/debuffs the priest/mob has.
How about the rank 14 gear?
Cool guide!
How do you level priest? Can shadow priest heal in 50+ dungeons?
You level as wand spec then redo talents at 40
@@markbd9775 No, I meant do you need to respec to holy or disc at 50+ so you can heal in 50+ dungeons?
@@georgejewel3959 you don't have to go holy spec to heal 50+ dungeon, although it will make it much easier and there might be groups who will refuse you simply for the fact that you are shadow spec and not holy.. I remember being kicked out of BRD group at 55 for being shadow and not holy.. But I could definitely heal the whole thing just fine being shadow.
@@Conical187 yeah I was just kicked by a BRD group lol
@@georgejewel3959 my shadow priest was capable of healing out of spec all the way until AQ40.
good vid but i think trinket from phylactory quest (kt) is best for shadow priest in naxx
PVE is like ok but Troll priest is the best for PVP because of shadow guard skills amazing with spell power insane damage and proc blackouts , shadow weaving also healing you if Vampiric embrace is on its nutty butty
Wow dude, nice
How does blade of Eternal Darkness hold up for pre raid?
I don't think that it procs on SWP or Mind Flay. only direct damage spells like Mind Blast.
@@FruitNut needs fair testing.. should proc on initial cast of each spell.
I did just do a short test and over 5 minutes of just mind flaying with SWP. it didn't proc once. Then I Just used mind blast for 3 minutes and it procced twice out of 25 mind blasts. So unless it changed from an earlier patch. It only seems to proc on instant damage casts.
@@FruitNut I'm not really sure what the true proc rate is suppose to be. But for the longest, and on other servers, ive seen it proc on the initial cast of spells such as the shadow word pain and plague.
@@jasonescalante3731 The Phat Loot Phriday article says it's somewhere around 10%
Whether that's a reliable source or not... no idea. I was reading it about an hour ago.
Hi Fruitnut, I'd luv to see your dps interpretation of an elemental shaman in pve. I recently wrote an Elemental Shaman guide and like to know your opinion.
def want to see shaman enh and ele
You also gotta put into account all that damage was more then likely healing the raid also even if its not that op still a decent amount
The main reason your bwl to naxx comparison is so little improvement, is due to the fact you fail to realize that naxx had higher resistance on mobs, and because of that you had to spec to 70 spell penetration. 70 resistance equals to 17.5% lower dps due to (partial) resists. Because of this your bis gear is completly wrong.
you can improved the pré raid set with purple waist of prophecit his gives 5 mana regen and 9 spell dmg. maiden circle BOE ring and felcloth gloves .
I try to not include gear in the pre-raid set that the average player wouldn't have. like low % drop epics or expensive crafted / boe gear. For some slightly added realism. Thanks for the comment!
but i had a full pre raid biss priest with 330 shadow spell and cant crit 2k like you.
Just now i see you are using consumables. please remove it and show us Just the clean power of classes
@@FruitNut you mean show us the "realism" and are using 2 elixir of spell power . damn stfo
Feral please!!!!!! This is amazing!
As a general DPS test video, not bad.
But as a S Priest Main, I wouldn't recommend using this video as a guide for talents or BiS gear.
Feral please! I wanna know mana usage aswell for other spellcasters (:
Not showing mana? I wonder why... Awso noone is going to let you use so many debuffs on an actual raid. Keep dreaming. Also state that the pre raid bis list is for 1.10 patch note itemization because it is wrong otherwise.
this. it's also quite a difference. to add to that. some enchants like shadow power on gloves and brilliant mana oils are also implemented much later in game when BWL is on farm for any guilds that would consider spriest in their raids anyway.
in other words, the preraid bis in this video will pretty much never happen. before 1.10 some of the gear isn't in the game, and after 1.10 you have access to much better gear in raids that will be on farm for most guilds.
we're also ignoring class loot priority, but it's our right to dream eh?
@@hankapaldum6027 The only way i see this happening is if the GM is a Spriest in a normie guild.
What debuffs? You'd be using 2 and they are needed to benefit the raid Shadow weaving to buff locks and SWP... this is not unreasonable.
@@TehMakrer well, yes, if you afked every fight after casting SW:P five times. Should you decide to cast Mindflay, that actually takes another debuff slot (the slow). So that's 3 if you want to try and justify your raid spot as a damage dealer. That means that out of 8 classes and even more speccs, the one that deals relatively poor damage by itself (the shadow priest) takes 3 out of 16 debuff slots (before it was 8 slots!).
Shadow Priest has very high dps potential but the biggest flaw is poor efficiency and low sustained dps. They suffer the same fate as Balance Druids and Elemental Shaman in that they go OOM too fast.
Also you need to list the stat, ie, spell dmg, hit, crit etc.
agreed it is not a reliable raid dps. mages mages mages.
These numbers are not remotely accurate.
Thanks man!
This is petty & pedantic, but how reliable & exact is this server compared to the real data? Is it even possible to get the real exact data & numbers? All these people making these videos playing on private servers making guides with exact numbers for Classic but the actual data could be off when Classic comes out..? Idk.
this vid would be nice...
If you are not like full buffed, with buffs there are not available in phase one.
And show the Mana in the dmg scene, its all about the Mana.
why not show undead with Devouring plague?
@@belroi-57 What even fucking worked in classic wow? Besides spamming fucking sunder armor on a warrior. Seems everything was broken one way or another yet everybody praises it like it is still the epitome of gaming.
@@boredgamer7841 Because it is. The game was the leveling experience, and raiding socially with your community. It's not a neetfest ARPG like it is today.
@@marsbars1638 "oh the thing you wanted to play at end-game and raid with? Too fucking bad, it is broken and doesn't work. It is fine tho, the game is all about leveling so go spend another 3 months leveling and paying 15 euro for it, then spend the next 4 months gearing up just to go spam sunder armor on ragnaros for 60min". Classic WoW was the NEETFEST MMO though.
Only the neckbeardest of NEETS living in their mom's basement got anywhere important in the game.
@@boredgamer7841 Reeeeee
@@TehMakrer godt argument
No way in hell ur dps was that high. You will be oom in most fights if you keep mind blasting.
Well, farm raid fights last less than 30 secs in vanilla.
To be fair, only a few high-end fights take long enough to really exhaust your mana. Most bosses will be fine.
@Clark Kent I'd say the same. There are probably a lot of bosses with random shadow resist where before there was none.
From a friend who played shadow priest back then i know that it was somewhat viable and that you'd not really have terrible trouble with going oom in most fights.
I guess we'll see. I actually have shadow priest as one of my options for things i'd play in classic.
I'm surprised to see no one critical of the spec you used. If you're only going to use MB every 15 seconds, there's absolutely no reason for you to waste 5 talent points in Improved MB. Read the tooltip. Also, since you're only casting MB relatively infrequently, there's no need for you to spend 8 total points in threat reduction talents. The most you need is 2/3 in Shadow Affinity, and 1/5 in Silent Resolve, leaving you 5 points to max out Mental Agility, which offers some serious help in reducing mana consumption.
Then there's going 5/5 instead of 3/5 in Shadow Focus. There's an argument to be made for 5/5, but it's of negligible value, since 3/5 gets you to the hit cap. That's two more talent points. And why do you have 5/5 in Spirit tap instead of blackout?? The chances of you getting a killing blow on a mob in a raid is negligible, especially in your rotation.
If you're going to dump 8 points into threat reduction, there's no reason you can't increase your MB rotation to once every 6 secs (in between two MFs), thus making 4/5 in Imp MB the absolute most you ever need to allocate to that talent. If you monitor your threat, and have a competent tank, you shouldn't need so much threat reduction in your talents. That will allow you to put points into Imp PW: Fort, which is far more valuable to a raid.
Since this is already too long, I'll be brief on gear choices. There are several slots which need to be replaced with mp5 and spell dmg&healing pieces. Spirit is pointless since you're always casting inside the 5sr and you don't need it to boost healing. Get enough mp5 gear and put 5/5 in Mental agility, and you should see your mana problems almost go away. Get the raid leader to fill up your group with Warlocks, and not only will the locks love you, but the other healers will too.
For the heal on damage so the locks can life tap more?
@James Baggett I didn't say anything about not using VE, so what exactly were you responding to?
My man, you have to tell us the name of the track you use during the DPS tests!
My rotation is pain/4 short mind flays then mb two full mind flats then mb procs rinse and repeat
Flay
You have quite a few pieces of gear wrong in T2 content and BIS. Darkmoon Card Blue Dragon was really really good for mana problems, also maximizing any MP5 gear per tier was best, especially for Naxx 40 when fights are super long. Also classicdb.ch/?talent#bxxzsVZZxGxzcxot is a better PVE spec, you rarely have the mana to do Mindblast since it's less mana efficient then just mind flaying and SWP. If you were to go into Mind blast talent, you would go 3/5 since it gives you the perfect rotation of SWP, 2 Mindflay, then Mind blast.
post what music u use dude. this is sick. more vids gogogo
800dps ROFLMAO yeah right. Classic spriest with gear before bwl should be doing around 135-175 without flasks.
Except the fact that there are priests doing over 600 DPS in fights MC right now.
I will summarize spriest for you. It is amazing in pvp, in my opinion second strongest 1v1 class after SL warlock (hunter is op with a lot of room to kite). It can do decent dps, but goes oom very fast. SWP is actually the highest dps single dot in the game. They will never be as good as a warlock, or mage in PVE. It is best to have a priest heal and maintain shadowweaving. There is a decent spec for this, but it is very boring and hard to convince a priest to actually do it. So a lot of the time guilds either just don't bring a spriest, and bring a few more mages and go without shadowweaving for warlocks. Or, they bring an spriest and have a strong warlock core. If you plan to main Spriest, I would only recommend doing it if you love and mainly PVP/Rank. If you want to raid I would recommend joining a casual dkp guild so you can snatch strong pvp pieces. Raid life as a spriest is shitty and you won't even be able to do it without 16 debuff slots come btw (unless they have them in mc right away which I think they will).
You can see at 3:22 where the mana bottoms out, and the damage starts tanking hard. Average fight length in MC with appropriate gear is pretty long as well, so the 1:40 before OOM means less as the fight stretches on. It sucks, but that's how it worked back then, and it's why Shadow simply isn't viable in progression content. People might still take you if you're a dwarf and their warrior can't stancedance fears or something, and you'll keep up for that 1:40 with the other casters, but when you run out of steam, they'll overtake, and the gap will widen from there.
I remember trying to justify it to my guild back then, and got to play it on farm content, but as soon as my mana was gone, I started my slow, inevitable slide to dead last.
polydwarfed northdale BiS Spriest
wanding down with 5/5 wand specialization and good want is not less effective that rank 1 mind flay thats just silly sir
Warlock dps pls
Mindflay eats up debuffslot so you cant use it at raid bosses usually.
These tests are straight away misinformation of players, you are making things look much better than they are in reality.
Artifically inflating numbers by 100% nightfall and 100% crit sbolt debuff uptime (which is absolutely unrealistic), using up 3 debuff slots and innervating yourself is a very bold move.
They are not 100% accurate no but you are assuming incorrect things. Nightfall is indeed up but it falls off occasionally. and I am not innervating myself in this video. Thanks for the comment
@@FruitNut I would really like to know how you did 1600+ non-crit mind blasts in pre-bis gear. A friend of mine raided as spriest and rarely got crits like that in BWL+ZG gear. Even simple napkin math shows that there is something not right or you are using an unrealistic raid debuff setting which specifically focuses on enhancing your personal DPS.
@@Ksn228 Sure I am not trying to hide anything.
Buffs I used: Flask of Supreme power, Elixir of shadow power, Nightfin soup., Brilliant Mana oil, Mark of the Wild, Arcane Intellect, Blessing of Wisdom, Blessing of Kings, Shadowform with Major Mana potions and demonic runes.
Debuffs on Dummy: Nightfall(15% spell damage), Shadow Vulnerability(from SBolt 20% shadow damage), Curse of Shadow(Shadow resist lowered by 75. 10% increased shadow damage), and Shadow Vulnerability(from shadow weaving 15% shadow damage).
With all of these buffs/debuffs. Your Rank 9 Mind blast will hit in the 1600-1650 range with 505 spell damage.
That is, of course, referring to my own Mangoes Private server which may or may not have blizz-like data.
Thanks for your comment!
edit: I would also like to add that of course. You will not likely have access to or be able to use all of these buffs/debuffs in a normal setting. But this is what I choose to use.
I also try not to use consumables/enchants that were not available for the gear level. example for this video would be Shadow power on gloves or Brilliant wizard oil for Pre Raid gear. Both of which were not available until a later raid.
I agree, first of all, a lot of that pre-raid gear was post-patch, far weaker versions of them are whats actually available for the first several months of raid progression. Second, in a full 40-man raid and only 16 debuff slots most guilds will have well researched and developed debuff priority lists. On bosses I was prohibited from using both SW:P and mindflay because they "knock-off" far more important debuffs. Basically my job was simply to keep 5 stacks of shadowweaving up at all times, this was accomplished by spamming 3/5 improved mindblast(downranked for full-fight duration mana sustain) off cool down. That was high level spriest raiding unless your guild doesn't care and let you go all out, and even then, those numbers looked high in comparison to what I saw. On the upside, due to not sharing a terrible many pieces(save a couple) with other classes, you get geared very quickly
id love see feral powershifting druid ret pal i need know the the stigma is real!
Feral with the right gear (ie Gnomeregan maces en masse) will do fine DPS, but all other hybrids are sub-par and have no reason to be brought along for raids.
"2. Close to realistic gear sets for pre-raid and BWLl gear (no High-ranking PVP gear or expensive crafted gear)" Just no lmao.. The gear you have is pretty much ABSOLUTE BEST IN SLOT in these cases, you'd be insanely lucky if you're able to get the full list of gear that you're showing in this video before the release of the next tier of content on the list. Also, where is AQ(pre-naxx)? It's definetly the most interesting place for shadow priest gearing.
By the way, your "Patchwerk" mob has absolutely zero resistances. Not even once do you roll a 25/50/75% Mind Blast on this target. The only resist you are getting is the 1% miss chance that you can't get rid off. I really hope your viewers aint as gullible as you might believe they are xd.
they're pretty bad, but you DO want to have 1-2 priests with enough spell hit for Mind Control fights in Naxx
if you're an ally guild that can't field a fire mage team, you could make do with some locks and 1 SP
horde side? no way
lots of fun in 1v1 pvp though
testing for only 4 minutes is silly. With spriest its all about how much dps you can do for the entire fight which drops off a lot after 4minutes. You should have done a 10min test.
lol shadow priest rotation
You don't use sw:p in raids because it uses 1 debuff slot.
Also you don't use mind blast often because it is not very mana efficient and it pulls a lot of treat.
Also with a warlock curse of shadow it would do a lot more damage
Do boomkin next please :)
Plenty of raids allow room for sw:p at 16 debuff slots, which is exactly what we'll have at the start of classic. Plus, every top end shadow priest i've seen uses mind blast in their rotation.
@@porcu12345 corruption is better than sw:p.
@@Titi-pu2hl Corruption doesn't put on shadow weaving...
@@gottagofastest mind blast and mind flay lol
@@Titi-pu2hl SSHHH QUIET DON'T TELL ANYONE
ultra bad talent choises. no need Mindblast at all. @ pve u cant spam it due to mana cost and agroo . Wand for phace1 is EPIC talent since no BG yet. the fact u chose 5/5 on disc to reduse threat is not enough if u " spam " mindblast. shadow reach for pve is abit no needed ( tho its ok if some1 wants to take it ) since it does not improbe Mflay range.... altho good video
Dont forget to do agi-hunter!
you showed "dps" which means damage per second... yet you did not show the fight timer and your mana bar which discredits your whole "dps" don't try and sell shadow priest as anything more than a oombot in pve
it says 4 minutes right on the dps meter bud
I only joined WoW at the end of bc, was fresh 70 when WOTLK came out. But god, this looks so messed up. People nowadays complain that wow got to simple, and everything got pruned, but look at that. Shadowword pain, mindflay, and mindblast, thats all. Can only lol hard how boring this is.
Better than hunters who can just send their pet off and auto attack to be raid viable...
I'd play shadow only in pvp, nobody will let you dps in raids anyway
why not?
@@victorhugobraga3284 From what I'm learning only 1 shadow priest is brought in raids at most and that's only to buff warlocks shadow damage so I guess if no warlocks in raid, no need for shadow priests either. The rotation is non existent, and you can't cast dots to avoid filling the boss' debuff slots and literally irrevelant, you can do 1 dps just as long you buff locks. Pvp...it's another story...drool...
@@andresvaldevit3692 yeah, im searching about that and I guess you r right. Ty bro. I'll play as mage PvE i guess.
@@victorhugobraga3284 If you wish to main a caster for Classic your better off with either a Mage or a Lock yeah.
make demo SM/ruin please !
"oh ye, so hyped to press shadowword: pain, mindflay and mindblast, thats a thousand times cooler than retail wow"
-noone ever
You type this while you were AFK in a warfront? We don't want you in classic anyways, so don't worry about it :)
@@TheCrimsonChin91 have your first 40man raid down with 20man, and you will recognize how easy vanilla actually was.
1 or 2 bossmechanics inc.
And btw, i'm not going warfronts, i'm going arena and rbg's. Something you won't even be able to queue for.
And hf with petbattles, transmogging, m+ and all that stuff :-*
@@HitHeilerDerHohnEinerSure Okay so you don't even raid, but you're pretending like you know something about raids and mechanics (Nobody will be clearing AQ40 or Naxx with 20 people btw). Then you talk about arena/rbgs, no shit theyre not in the game, but Classic PvP is much more in depth than BFA. And your last sentence just adds to your overall incoherent and spastic attitude. Waste of time talking to you any further than this.
@@TheCrimsonChin91 asmongold killed c'thun in under three minutes with ease with a viewer raid in first try three weeks ago in classic.
Ye classic was really really hard, indeed. Must be, if totally random people manage to down whole AQ40 with not a single wipe in a pug raid.
There's not even hc or myth or anything, it won't even get any harder than this.
People just took longer back then, because everyone was shit.
People nowadays know the game, and know what to do.
And i don't raid momentarily, but i did raid till end of cata.
Yeeee, much more in depth. Totally.
No proof for that argument whatsoever, classes have like 10 spells, but totally in depth.
The game is slow af in classic, and the classes are so one-dimensional, i already yawn as i think about it.
The paste of the game nowadays is a thousand times faster these days, and with all the spells it is thousand times more complicated.
With the low haste back then, you could take a pissing-break between the gcds/spells.
Well, and your last two sentences are just blind insults that don't even refer to that i'm totally right with what i said.
Classic is a pruned, and slower game than it is today. It's not cooler in any way, everything just takes more time. And if you are down for doing what you do today anyways, but you need a couple hours more for it (not because it's harder, but just slower), then go for it. Have your fun.
@@HitHeilerDerHohnEinerSure this vid is only about raid dps... shadow priest in world pvp in vanilla was the funnest thing i've ever done in this game.
These numbers are really bad. It's not your fault. Warriors and mages can do 2k+ dps in bis gear. Even a nelf feral druid do more damage than this and you have the option to tank. Still your job is to buff locks that's it. Don't waste your time getting better dps gear focus on getting bigger mana pool and HIT (both will result better dps actually) and more survivabilty don't go for crit or spell damage. You will only anger players which is already an issue, because you are playing with a niece class.