Classic WoW: Should you Priest? (Talents, Macros, PVP, Tips & Tricks)
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- == Kala's WoW Classic Beta Priest Guide ==
After playing priest in OG Vanilla, Private servers and now WoW Classic here's my take on what you should know about Shadow Priest.
▼ Timestamps:
1:10 What race to choose
5:00 lvl 1-10 leveling opener
8:50 Frontloading / MP5
11:40 Should you play Shadow Priest?
13:35 Mouse Over Macros
▼ Macros:
Dispel Mouseover/Harm
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead] dispel magic; [harm, nodead] [exists,nodead][@player] dispel magic
General Healing Mouseover
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][@player] Power Word: Shield
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Not taking 5/5 wand spec is just a huge mistake. You spend more time using your wand then all your skills combined.
bro u dont want stun resist? good luck with the rogues
You've earned my sub, i am like 90% positive that i will be maining a priest when classic launches, and just started researching in advance so i can be effective. Can't wait for Classic, thanks for the videos!
Everyone knows jumping while walking to destinations increases you movement speed by x99999999
69% movespeed increase :D
This is true if you think about it from a psychological standpoint. The perception of the passage of time is relative to action done by, and external stimuli on, the individual perceiving time. If you are more stimulated and engrossed in what you are doing, time will pass more quickly. By adding the stimulation of mashing the space bar, performing flips etc. you are literally time traveling. Google “flow state” you’ll see what I mean. Peace.
Yes, and jumping wheb entering a portal prevent you from falling over if someone is waiting on the other side to make you trip.
I'm pretty sure the only proper way to play is by jumping everywhere you go.
That's just science
I was a mage and warrior during vanilla and I have dedicated myself to be a priest this time around. Been looking at guides for months now to get ready for Classic 👍🏿
“Wholesome as Frigg,” is my new catch phrase.
You're so helpful! I never played a clothie in vanilla and wasn't sure what the easiest/fastest way to get a wand was... thank you.
I'm glad to see your comment about healing groups as shadow. The guild I was in back in live classic had shadow priest healers when we first started raiding because no one had enough gold to respec. Not going (insert preferred healing spec here) wasn't that big a deal back then. Balance druids and elemental shaman were healers too lol.
SO glad I found this channel as I'm also going to main Spriest. I played Spriest in Vanilla back in the day but only really did BG's at 60. Would love a raiding tutorial for when guilds allows a Shadow to be in the mix. Keep up the great work dude.
I've been watching you on Twitch since you've been playing the beta. I'm glad I found you! I have heard so much BS about shadow, I'm glad to find someone who knows what they are talking about!
POG 😱
hey snacky :P
Is recruiting?
Sweet; thanks for the video Kala! I’m excited to be a priest in upcoming classic!
Been looking at a lot of priest oriented leveling guides and your advice about picking up tailoring and enchanting and actually making a wand is super useful. Thanks for the tip!
Great video, super excited for classic to come out!
By the way, do you ever look at how many sponsor logos you've got in that tiny picture of yourself and think "man I look like a goober"?
If you have some spare time and you're willing to level another priest, I'd really suggest leveling as something other than shadowpriest until you hit 40. I see that you're very experienced playing that tree but you've never tried others. I as well thought that leveling as something else would be crazy just like you said until I once tried it.
Shadow tree offers the best talents in last few rows except spirit tap. You don't gain anything extraordinary until much later so speccing in shadow is waste of talent points in early leveling. All you need is spirit tap and wand specialization as you said but you can dump rest points for holy if you want even easier time while healing and better crit chance for holy spells (holy fire into SWP + wanding felt great). Disc tree is fine as well but I would only pick improved SWP in shadow.
Everything changes at 40. You respec into full shadow and you destroy healthbars in seconds and wand rest remaining health.
I once more seriously recommend this over rank 1 mind flaying. It only costs so much more (in money) to keep your holy fire up until 40 but it has some nice QoL in dungeon healing and you kill things just as fast as with Mind Blast if not a bit faster with some nice crits.
I'm going to be leveling as this spec too and comparing downtime, efficiency and leveling speed in the near future!
@@Kalattv Glad to hear that! You'll be surprised how well it actually works. Just do the same as you would normally do with shadow spec but replace mind blast and you're good to go.
Will check your streams!
@@Kalattv You probably want to go for a NE Priest for this; Starshards is an insanely efficient mana/damage spell, and deals arcane damage on a 3-second channel. One PW:S will prevent pushback until you get Healing Focus talented out. Then at level 45 respec into shadow. You're looking at a tri-spec like this: classicdb.ch/?talent#bVMhsZfxx00bZx. Mathematically, this has already sort of proven to be more damage/mana efficient than Shadow until Rank 3 MB and shadowform, so there's no real question about it (theory-crafting wise, anyways).
@@Kalattv be great to see a video on the comparison
Any chance of a follow up video just before classic release confirming whats best. Really appreciate this video as a no experience classic player who plans to play priest in august.
The best part about these classic videos is that they never lose value. Classic will always be there.
thanks this has helped me alot, smite, smite, dot, shield and wand, not dying now :)
Dude tysm for that quick chat about picking the right race and it not mattering. - been thinking about all that shit too much
Hi thanks for the video. I used to play Vanilla WoW up until the end of TBC and then I left wow until now that they introduced Classic. I will be back and would like to play my original class which is of course Priest. I was Horde and Undead and although just like you I always preferred the Undead animations, but in pvp I was always envious to Trolls for the Shadowguard because of the Blackout procs.
In pvp of course I was spamming rank 1 SW:P to the Blackout proc as Undead, but Trolls also have the Shadowguard which was a nightmare for melees. On the other hand the Undead's DP is also very powerful although on a 3 mins CD and uses a boat load of mana or will waste your Inner Focus (which can be used with MB otherwise). I was away from the game for more than a decade so my question is, for pvp (animations and aesthetics aside) why would you pick Undead? WoTF is not that useful as there would not be many locks on the alliance side anyway (again due to the WoTF) and the pvp trinket for priest also dispels fear anyway.
DP being a hybrid dmg/heal spell does not really scale well with shadow damage while Shadowguard will scale crazy good as far as I can remember and with BIS gears it does crazy amount of damage per hit (600+ per hit). I guess DP is good for solo world-pvp but Shadowguard is better for group pvp? Also we should not forget that many people know DP is powerful and will dispel it right away. All Dwarves will Stoneform out of it, priests cure it, Paladins will cleanse it away on spam.... So I don't know! Which one would you choose and why? Cheers!
100% true you can and should level as shadow. I was able to heal all dungeons up to BRD with 31 shadow and the other points in Disc. But you definitely start to feel the need for better throughput once you reach those dungeons. So, expect to want to respec around 56 or 57 if you want to keep up with healing on higher level dungeons. Currently running a 33/18/0 build and was able to heal UBRS and even MC (yes MC) at level 57.
The macros to helpful spells can be shorter, like /cast [@mouseover,help,nodead][] (mind the open,close bracket thing with no space that mens target or myself)
Priceless information. Seriously considering rolling priest after watching your vids. Any pvp tip videos would be amazing.
I played WoW religiously from TBC - Cata, and not once did I ever consider playing a priest. I'd always think what class to make/main, and I'd instantly make it an 8 class (7* for Vanilla ofc), because I'd bin the idea of playing a priest. However, some many years later I'm looking at having that missed Vanilla Wow experience, and I have to say, Being more open-minded, I'm liking the idea of playing a priest!
K o p e SAME !
Dwarves are the only race Ally side I will play. Well, unless I'm rolling warlock then Gnome.
I'm leveling 21/25/5 with with enchant tailor. I'll go to divine spirit, grab spirit tap, then finish it off with damage oriented holy talents. I think a holy fire and whatever instant cast dots I have at the given level, plus wanding, is plenty of damage. In doing so you barely use any mana and rarely have to drink. And, you can heal the occasional instance or elite quest no problem. Limiting downtime is way more important than damage output during leveling if you ask me, and having enchanting makes you always have a nice wand for free damage. May your blade never dull! see you guys out there on release
Great video and great spirit. The greatest one is to not let people make you play something you don't want. At that time I was a teenager playing nightelf priest and they made me switch into heal spec for dungeon, I didn't have enough money to respec sp so I ended leveling in heal spec, I finally quit !.
So enjoy the game as you want it and by this way you'll become a great player.
thank you kala, i played shadow from wrath till now. fav class
This is awesome mate well done 👍
Hey thats my name above you head! Thanks for the video man! Hoping I can do something similar with Shamans if I ever get access.
you gave him 5k?
great one! Please do more in depth content for the shadow priest both pve and pvp, especially at 60! i will also play a shadow UD priest as a main! Subbed and i'll wait for more, please!
I really, really, really appreciate what you say at the beginning about playing what you want. I am going to play on alliance as a priest. I'm still torn between a human and night elf. I agree that dwarfs look silly, and I really could not stand to play one. I've tried, and I hate it. Ultimately, I want to enjoy the game and love my character. I'm not going to roll something I don't like just to be more viable. However, I'm scared that this "dwarf or nothing" mindset could affect my time on wow, and maybe even make finding a raid spot hard. Almost wish my heart wasn't set on priest so I wouldn't have to worry about it!
After the 5 second rule if you continue to not cast you get mana back every 2 seconds. Until you are either full or you cast again and then the process repeats.
I've leveled as holy dps before and it's absolutely fine. You still have spirit tap and wand specialization, you're just continuing to cast smite instead of switching to mind flay and taking the talents that buff holy damage. You miss out on the slow from mind flay but that's about it pre-40. If being the first priest to hit 60 on the server is not a priority to you I would suggest you play it however you like. From 40 onward I think Shadow has a clear advantage just from the physical damage reduction alone, but Holy DPS is still surprisingly competitive and can even pull fairly average dps in raids under the right conditions, though not in cutting edge play. They synergize with ret paladins similar to how shadow synergizes with warlocks. For instance, it's top dps for Twin Emperors because the magic resistant boss lacks holy resistance thus eliminating the need for movement in an extremely movement intensive fight.
Only ever saw undead or Dwarf priests! I was a Nelf...again lol worthy. But I can’t wait to start weapon leveling again!!!!
Buff sharing spreads the vanilla/classic love!
I can’t wait! So exciting!
we didnt have this kinda guide back in the day. this is amazing
Just tried a Priest for first time on private server (only class I never played). It's crazy how efficient they are at leveling. I had to drink like 10 times from 1-40.
Yea once you have your wand you can abuse the 5 sec rule to the max. Maybe not the fastest killer but its always stady
Great vid. Never played a priest, makes me want to run a priest for Classic launch now.
Hey man, I really love your idea that playing a character that you like as the difference is minute. This is easily one the most wholesome youtube videos I have watched and I'm 100% subscribing BECAUSE you're hella wholesome.
cool content man! I am wondering how you deal with Paladins/Shamans and which one you think is a stronger counter to a holy/disc priest.
so is the idea here to spec untill 30 and respec? or why are your points not in the skills you said they should be?
I prefer leveling as holy. Dmg isnt really different, atleast before shadowform. U still use spirit tap and wand, miss out on blackout but doesnt really matter. I level faster as it, but might be that im used to it. Specially later, having to drop shadowform just to get health up costs a lot of mana. Think I'll go lock in classic tho
But isnt spriest gameplay boring compared to say lock or mage? I mean spriest didnt come into their own until tbc with shadow word: death and vampiric touch? Isnt spriest in vanilla too basic?
Great video. Props for saying you'd play a night elf on Ally. I always do. However, rolling undead spriest as of this week. Thanks for this video well done.
I was enjoying your video and then you said “absolute unit of a lad” and I cried laughing at and with you. I’m a dork too.
This is so wholesome
I’ve found that once you get to around 100 spirit you are at 100% mana by your next pull without drinking. I’m currently sitting at 180 spirit and it is ridiculous how fast my mana regens. I have also healed everything as shadow spec at level 30. I’m currently sitting around 50+ healing at lvl 30, and that allows me to downrank pretty effectively. You can get a decent amount of + healing gear so you can drink less by using downranked heals while healing.
ooohhhh that mind flay macro is juicy. I might have to use that one.
what about going for holy damage (smite, holy fire) until lvl 40 (i.e. before getting shadow form) with wand damage and spirit tap talented ? there are not really all that many good shadow damage spells and talents until lvl 40 ? not to mention that wop:pain usually never runs it full duration on most mobs, meaning it is often a waste of mana ?
One of the best priest information videos out there, well done.
Some speed runners prefer warlocks because you can get access to immolate and imp very early on. If you look at the damage values of shadow priest, it’s actually higher than warlock early on. The only difference is that you don’t get DoT until level 4, but after level 4 your DoT is much stronger than immolate. You can also self heal through spells or corpses allowing you to spend more on water instead of food
There are people in the chat naming their characters Dunkelheit and Marduk, sounds like good music taste to me ;-)
Entombed or Dissection for a undead always ;) thinkin about naming mine Watain or belphegor, more warlock names perhaps, anyhow death and blackmetal names are the best för toons ;)
People are completely missing the point of Classic.
Classic was fun because people had no idea how to play, we would just play for fun, wear T0 gear because it looked badass, etc.
Nowadays people just want to be the most optimal possible regardless of the Warcraft world.
If you just care about being optimal, then you will never experience what Vanilla was like.
Absit Reverentia Vero This seems true in my eyes. I’m 13 years older than my little brother who last week showed me his mage on a private server and I didnt know half of it. So I read up on things and just now learnt there are numerous world buffs which I think I sometimes grabbed one of if I were in the area before a raid. It made me realize there are so much my guild back then didnt know of. I even remember farming this 50 dungeon in the water for high level blues that I used in Molten Core, yet my little brother laughs at me and tells me about must-have gear before entering there.
We talked alot about Classic, he really wants me to start playing again, which I will (Even though I’m working 4 weeks on 2 weeks off), but it seems like Classic will be Its own game and not give the same experience as back in the day. I liked the different patches throughout Vanilla and Im just not sure how I will feel when Its being set to the latest patch.
i played as disciplina a little bit, went through dungeons, killing mobs was pretty easy imo, bubble, mind blast into wanding, no downtime, nearly no health lost
This
You're so right. My best memory of WoW wasn't hitting cap, getting some great piece of gear or kicking some elite ass. It was making a death run on our low level huntards into enemy territory to get specific pets from their lands. It was a case of running, dying, getting a few steps further before dying again to mobs tons of levels higher than us. It took forever, but we got through eventually and tamed our pets. And we felt like kings when we got back home with them!
Ty for the tip, going to roll a spriest for classic
thanks for making this video, i was thinking about playing a priest, but you made me 100% want to play a priest i appreciate it mate 😄
Most players don't go shadow, because there is so many more useful talents on the other threes, I'm a first time priest, and I'm currently lvl 46, I re-spec twice to try going full shadow, but I don't like it at all. Holy/disc all the way.
Nice guide!
Best guide. Best RUclipsr I've found for classic this far. Thank you. I'll be rolling priest this time around. Cant wait.
All these people telling me to level as shadow makes me want to level as holy. And to roll a troll ...
On a more serious note, I'd like to ask all you pros to have some patience with the more casual, but enthusiastic, players like myself. We'll be slower, we'll test your patience, but frustration is part of the fun. :P
Really awesome vid mate, thanks : )
Hold my beer while I'm questing and killing 3 mobs of my level at the same time as a holy priest with no problem.
I really needed to hear that opening thank you. Played Human in Vanilla then switched to Blood Elf. Been going back and forth on Undead and Troll. Seems Troll getting a lot of hype because of Shadowguard but at the end of the day I like Undead look better.
I think Troll is better because -20% healing debuff without a cooldown and Shadow orbs which can proc a 3s stun. These are amazing for PvP and PvE if there is a healing mob. Trolls also get 5% damage bonus to beasts which doesn't sound like a lot but Hunter pets and Druid forms are considered beasts. Undead get WotF which is great as Warlocks and Warriors are common, but Cannibalize doesn't restore mana like it does in Live.
Amen on the races comment!
Level 30 & cant 1 shot a level 7 bat.
Awesome!
Cant wait for classic!!!!
@@xXAzarakXx no it won't
been looking for my spriest hero... looking forward to more content. Would be interested to hear you talking about pvp tactics i.e. fishing for blackout procs w/ swp r1, mind control, mana burn
Thanks for the guide!
Pretty good video. Thanks for the info!
Hi Kala,
You recommend shadow but don't mention what talents to spend points in.
I'm a pretty dedicated Holy priest. I love group healing yet I also damage output and pvp. You have talked me into shadow yet I don't know the first thing. What talent build do you recommend, what gear do you recommend?
I was also wondering how you got shadow gear from raids when you were healing? Or if you were raiding for the shadow gear how did you keep your healing gear current?
Did you even see the video? He healed as a shadow priest....
@@MrJengaa yeah no shit guy I'm wanting to know how he kept his healing gear current if he was raiding to roll on shadow gear. I'm assuming he kept his spec shadow but switched to healing gear.
Best Dwarf race for Arena? Stoneform vs Starshard vs Devouring Plague...
Awesome video! While waiting for Classic, I was thinking whether I should play Disc or Shadow, and this helped me choose my spec!
What did you pick?!
@@tristtonm7930 I was sure I will go shadow, but I chose Disc/Holy for better heals.
Wholesome as F-- frigg.
@Kala, the statements on picking race I couldn't agree more with. Thanks sharing your thoughts with the community on that. Secondly, the content you shared on leveling guide was insanely valuable for someone who has no idea how to get ahead of the curve. If you have more content on 11-20, 21-30 (expecting significant player drop off past that point within first 2 days) to keep ahead of curve as shadow priest I think we would all highly appreciate it. Subbed.
Dude... that guide is so good that made me want to play a priest hahaahah. Thank you very much!
Shadow priest in Vanilla are OP as fuck. I would say in PVP it goes like this. Rogue > Spriest>Mage > The rest.
I've been leveling as a Holy priest just fine don't touch shadow at all. Once you get Spiritual Guidance in the tree you start destroying with holy fire and smite. 1-30 was a bit rough but to be honest completely viable to smite things to death with a wand handy I solo'd just fine and always had a dungeon to run. Another option would be to grind dungeons starting with RFC which is fine but I'm not trying to speed level
This is a great video!!
Love this tutorial :-). I have 52 holy priest. Love healing dungeons, but questing and drinking after every couple of mobs is not fun. I am now considering crating one more priest for shadow. Maybe it wouldn’t be a bad idea to respec shadow and try healing if needed.
You convinced me played every character to max besides monk and priest but the fact I could heal pve in shadow sells it for me :D
The instant subscription on your channel and twitch, cuz you are so awesome at playing.
Calm, attentive and reasonable person. I like it. I tired about tons of players like Amsongold with a bag of shits on the stream. Maybe I'm stupid and I need to be like "everyone". But I don't like to eat shit. And I won't do that.
Peace
Does all of this still work for WoW SoD? Thanks for the video. I appreciate it.
Yo can you release a talent video? Talk about what its like to play Spriest in pvp bgs, is it fun? do you get perma trained? how do i choose between this and lock. thanks
If you just wanna PvP for fun, Spriest dominates. In premades, Spriests aren't taken. They're damage is constantly dispelled.
The troll racial is a 10 second speed boost of 10%, on a several minute cooldown. Getting those 2-3 heals off .2 seconds faster is not a big deal. It's basically for a rare scenario where you gotta dump heals on the tank like they're going out of style, or heal multiple people.
from my understanding, it's a 10-30% based on missing HP
this might be a pserver thing, not sure
personally I would just roll undead, plague is such a good racial spell to pass up (esp later on when you have good gear)
@@qk-tb2df Well, that's the thing: a healer has to be taking damage to get more than the 10% boost. I'm not trying to say that doesn't happen, but you're spending time clicking the racial, rather than hitting a heal, when you're about to die? You can only use it every few minutes, so it's not gonna be on your macro. (And, if it is, it won't be available when you need it.)
I agree on rolling undead.
Gotta say that devouring plague is a HUGE racial difference.. Troll males seem to move slower than other races, i know they dont but UD look like theyre running faster.
Hey I ran a female ne priest in vanilla mainly for shadowmeld on a high pop pvp server. My main was a rogue so I was soo used to stealth.
I basically leveled the same way you suggested.. You can farm and farm without drinking. At higher 30s i used to MB,sw:p, flay x2 and wand..
Nicee that's the exact rotation I happen to be using at level 36 rn, with vamp embrace and a few renews mixed in
I’m confused on what to play. Rogue or Priest. I’m leaning towards rogue for pvp but priest are great on pvp too and they’re needed for pve.
you'll have a lot more utility and use out of the priest. Always being able to be a part of a group or raid is pretty important, and you can play more than one role (healer/DPS in both PvP and PvE) but it's only 60 levels, you can have an alt very quickly
Counterpoint:
> spec Holy but pick up Spirit Tap (4/5).
> do dungeons with your friends as a more effective healer.
I've leveled 3 priests as holy. I'm going to level a fourth because holy is damn awesome.
Not really a shadowpriest without shadowform imho :D
I tend to put my first 2 points into Healing Focus then into wands, I just find the saves from healing interrupts very handy when leveling particularly when solo
Isn't the whole idea to Smite/Smite/SMP (right as the mon gets on you) and then you just melee/wand? So, in theory, you shouldn't be having a chance to get interrupted enough to justify the 2 points?
@@lhuce7586 because it stops your heals from being interrupted and there is always going to be times when you need to heal and if your getting hit by 2 or more mobs that 1.5 second cast without it will be like 5 seconds instead, the faster you can heal yourself the less likely you will die and the faster you will level, you gotta think more than just what the min/maxers say
@@golem26 Interesting, thanks.
Awesome vid.
Hey dude, nice video, I especially like your reasoning on races. :)
Regarding Disco/Holy for leveling, I did play around with a Starshard spec (Nightelf exclusively) which was pretty selfsustainable and fun!
Some dude made a dedicated guide for it on reddit, in case you wanna check it out :)
Link pls? :)
the vanish from nightelf is OP in pvp.
great content mate. cheers. subbed and will for sure join you on twitch soon
Nice video but you are just wrong when you talk about not touching holy and disc trees... you should go full shadow at lvl 40
can anyone link me a completed shadow priest talent tree? Btw first time playing wow play so maybe a recommendation on point order as well
Vuhdo Classic is the absolute best addon to use for mouse over healing macros
I am like that with my undead characters as well
wholesome as frick
I know it's not gonna help 90% of the people playing but if you're duoing with a paladin, smite damage can be pretty good DPS (Seal of the crusader increases holy damage taken on the target, between 20 and 140). I know there are probably better duos out there, just saying that you don't need to go shadow to get good DPS in some instances.
Smite was definitely quite decent if it was somewhat recently ranked up. Contrary to what this guy says it's 100% possible to level as something other than shadow (pick up Spirit Tap no matter what though). Unless you're literally dungeon cleaving your way from 40-60 I'd recommend dropping the 1g left over from your mount purchase at 40 on a respec so you can go Shadowform.
I'd even argue that the early shadow talents are quite bad compared to what say Disc offers. Before level 40 Mind Flay is only slightly better than the alternatives for like 2 levels if you get the new ranks when they're available. Hardly worth it imo so I opted for the free cast which let me stand tall while the other casters were drinking and also saved the squad from wiping a couple times. Rarely did I have mobs survive the unbuffed SW:P duration either.
It's nonsense about race decision. You would get in situations where not rolling gnome as a rogue or warrior would be terrible, or not surviving a rogue burst because you are not a dwarf priest will be quite often in pvp. Yeah, it really doesn't matter in pve, but in pvp it's a big deal.
Dam man ive mained shadow dwarf since vanilla... my feeling are hurt i dont look silly man. Jkjk =)
hey, dont listen to the nonbearded peasant, we are beautiful brother.
Awesome!!
Running a resto shaman this time. God i got alot of flak as a shadow priest and got forced to holy when i hated it so this time Resto.