Ellen White and the Great Controversy: 10-5-2020
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2020
- Presented by Mike McMaster, Programs Coordinator for the Wood County Museum. From the Zoom program on 10-5-2020.
Title: “What Happened in Wood County March 14,1858: Ellen White and the Great Controversy.”
Just north of Bowling Green, on State Route 25 north, sits a historical marker for the very first 7th Day Adventist Church in Ohio. This marker, however, only tells a portion of the interesting story of this church. In this program we will learn who Ellen White was, what she was doing in Lovett’s Grove in Wood County on the day March 14, 1858 and what was the great controversy. 
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The Great Controversy has forever changed my life. That book is a must read for our generation.
SDA church formed about 1863, before that many churches were studying the Bible for truth. In 1844 they were not SDA,s just a group studying together
The same members became the SDA
Excellent presentation--thorough research. Credits to Mike McMaster. One comment: the picture he showed in talking about the church was of the school house where the funeral service and vision took place. The church was built later.
Great presentation! I am interested in the presentation that Dr Mike McMaster mentioned in the end about Introduction to Spiritualism? Where can I find it? Thanks so much
Bible is wod of God anough of this so called prophets.
The Bible itself speaks about prophets.
I Corinthians 14:3 NKJV
But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.
You misstated the day for a year truth. It should have been stated that "a day in Bible prophecy stands for a literal year". And, where did you get your information about the Millerites sitting on their roofs in ascension white robes? I am an Adventist and have never heard that story, which is not true to my knowledge. I didn't find "The Great Controversy" to be challenging to read, but very interesting and eye-opening. I hope you will decide to read it.
Ellen White's birthday was November 26th .
I disagree with the 7th day Adventists on most things. I'm going a different path.
As a Seventh-day Adventist, my stance on "defending" Sr. White against her enemies has changed. I have avidly studied the word of God since about 1974. There was a time l struggled with Mrs. White's racial views, but have since gotten a clearer understanding of her statements; statements made in tumultuous times. Comparing her writings with scripture and my own spiritual experiences has convinced me that her ministry was divinely genuine. Personal accounts of those who knew her, in or out of vision, were never conflicting. She was labeled as a caring, loving, and unassuming woman. She could be persuaded to change her mind on domestic issues, but, according to Alma McKibben, when it came to principle "you could no more move her than you could the Rock of Gibraltar".
Her many, many writings, her verbal description of her feelings on the Son of God, have established in my mind her deep "sincerity and truth" (Joshua 24:15/John 4:23). Working as a tourguide at her museum-home in Napa Valley, helped even more to endear Mrs. White to my mind and heart. She has greatly influenced my life and ministry reaching out to others. I do not care if others think l am deceived. In my opinion, when others seek to lash out with un-Christian ad hominem attacks on those who differ in Biblical views, it shows spiritual insecurity on their part.
Thank you for sharing, brother.
@@HumbleServant3777 God bless!!
@Dr T l understand your feeling the way you do, but here is where l have serious issues on how some well-meaning individuals present their points of view. I have made it a part of my religion to *NEVER* lash out at the convictions of others (Luke 9:49,50). All such actions and "strife" is "not from above, but is earthly, sensual devilish" (James 3:14,15). No one knows the experiences of others and whether or not they are being led or misled. "But let every man prove his *own* work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone and not in another" (Galatians 6:4).
As far as Mrs. White is concerned her ministry was placed on a "pedastal" by pharasaical Adventists with a cultist frame of mind. *None* of her enlightenment established any of the SDA doctrines. She stressed that to a General Conference president who sought her opinion on _RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH_ (G. I. Butler--Ltr. 61a Oct. 1,1888). It was a joint effort of men and women like Joseph Bates (the first SDA vegetarian), James White, Rachel Oakes Preston, J.N. Loughborough, Uriah Smith, J.N. Andrews, etc. who studied into the wee hours of the morning, fasted, prayed, and labored endlessly to build upon "the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief cornerstone" (Ephesians 2:20). There are several quotes used by Mrs. White from other sources that were not divinely inspired. I have seen them. They were derived in an era when copyright laws were not as strict; and uneducated servants like Mrs. White (though well-read) leaned upon them to aid her in what she felt unable to articulate, like Paul, who quoted a Greek poet, (Acts 17:28), and who said, "l know whom l have believed" (2 Timothy 1:12). By God's grace I should let no man or woman dissuade me to believing otherwise.
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When I get feisty, and I righteously do, is how The Drama did some serious brain-bending, psychologically collective “child abuse,” to the point of PTSD. Seriously. If one is sturdily ensconced in The thick SDA Bubble, they may stay clueless. One willl never know what they do not wish to know…
Mary was seen thousands of times ... but never was resurrected
Read the BOOK folks!
1844 has got nothing to do with Bible Prophecy
Sorry, "guy" you don't know your Bible AT ALL. Daniel and Revelation clearly do point to 1844 if you study it at all out.
@@karengriffith4021 Not according to ' Christian Scholars Forum ' on U tube.
With their ' The troublesome legacy of 1844'
also ' 1844 Revisited '
According to them 1844 is totally fake. 1844 has got nothing to do with Bible Prophecy.
I read it, it’s excellent
Thank you! I was wondering how the book came about. :)
Great Controversy was not a product of divine inspiration, but of pure plagiarism. This is true of all her works.
@@christopherpitta3803 Present the evidence or be careful of being judged for defamation of character. Besides you will have to answer for that at the judgment seat of God if not repented of and stopped. For real. It's dangerous to repeat and make charges which you cannot prove.
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Ellen White would react the same as you towards those who questioned her, breathing curses and judgments! Stop playing God like her. I am least bothered of your threats! I pity your ignorance of the source of her writings.
@@christopherpitta3803 You can't say you weren't warned. Take care.
@@edithdotson7603
I advise you, mind your language. Don't act smart
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You have her birthday wrong. It was November 26th. I know this because it's my birthday too. Though not 1927, obviously. Lol
1827
My birthday, also.
@Anthony Greene Her son Edson died the year 1927; 100 years after she was born.
Lol. Oops.
EGW is the most defended person in SDA. She, however, contradicts the Bible so much. Besides, her writings are known as the Spirit of Prophecy, which is actually one of the titles of the Holy Spirit. All divisions and controversy in the church center on her doctrinal view
You know far too little to make such statements.
Very true indeed!
@@christopherpitta3803 you haven't really read any of her writings. I suggest you get a copy of something like Patriarchs and Prophets, or Desire of Ages. At the beginning if each chapter it tells what Bible passage the chapter is based on. Read that passage and then the chapter. You'll find answers to questions you've had or had never thought about. If you read it without the bias your pastor or the internet are feeding, you will be blessed. BTW, I believe she was a prophet for many reasons that I won't explain here, but my faith is based on scripture, not her writings.
@@mikejacobson14
How many of her books have read honestly? I've read all of them for your information. Desire of Ages, read countless times. What more do you expect?
@@christopherpitta3803 I haven't yet read all of them. But when I do read them I do it with the right attitude. They're not novels to be read lightly. If you don't see the value in them you're not reading them right. I think of them as kind of a Hubble telescope. When I look at the night sky I see a few planets and a bunch of stars. But when I see what the Hubble sees, I see galaxies and nebulae that I had no idea were there, but they always were, and it gives me a greater sense of the magnificence of our Creator and the beauty of His creation. Ellen White's writings help me to see the things that are in scripture that I just wasn't seeing, but they've always been there.
Great video!
I am an Adventist but I enjoy listening to non-Adventist discuss Adventist related topics as I do not like echo chambers.
I would like to bring out one point.
William Miller actually did set dates for the return of Christ. There were no Adventist at that time as the church had not yet been founded. However, those that would later become Adventist had accepted Miller’s message.
Miller never became an Adventist as he rejected the theology.
The Great Controversy is an amazing book.
Mrs.White “borrowed” from other sources to compose some of the history that is covered in the book. It was later revised in 1911 as some changes needed to be made and credit needed to be given the sources.
It’s a great read for Adventist/ non-Adventist as well as Christians/non-Christians.
Seventh day Adventist were not a denomination till about the 1860s.
@@BiblicalTeachings what do you mean they followed the same as Jehovah's
So what --
@@margaretmary-dj1ps what are you so whating about
How can Mary the mother of Jesus be seen in an apparition and not be resurrected like her son? Think about it.
There are numerous entries in the book entitled "The Great Controversy" by Ellen G.White, copied from other books , manuscripts, writings, ect. that are helpful or interesting and pertinent to the subject matter at hand. Some have accused the author of plagiarism , because of these, but instead all credits due were noted and accounted for. There are always those who hate Gods truth, and with limited understanding will attempt to undermine the authenticity of honest and truthful works , such as this. But just as the Bible has withstood the assaults of Satanic men, for centuries ...this work will wear out the assaults against it , like an anvil would wear out a hammer, and in the end will surely be vindicated.
LoL Ellen G White was controlled by satanic demons. She’s a maniac.
Some people love the Truth of Jesus and The New Covenant; and do not want to see it corrupted by an upstart group that claims they are the ONLY church that has all the answers ~ There are over 1,000 denominations that have been around more than 200 years.
Now, sincerely, honestly, do you deep down, KNOW what you know for yourself, or what you have been told, overheard, or seeped in via osmosis by being enclosed in an SDA bubble?
Actually no. That was lies made up about the robes by those who wanted to make fun of the Millerites.
Along with Steps to Christ one of my favorite inspirational historical books by an inspired author
If you read The Great Controversy in a sincere manner and not as a novel, you would be blessed and your life possibly changed. If you read the whole book (and no, it's not too hard), you will find the final verse to be very moving.
Yes Sir I read it from cover to cover. And Yes it was very moving & so was The Desire of Ages. However, this begs the question. Was Everything written in The Great Controversy Biblically accurate?? I say without a doubt NO. I would refer to The Chapter "The Holy of Holies." Here were have written when E. G. White 1) denies Christ's finished atonement at the Cross. 2) she projects a faulty timeline (i.e. day for a year = 1844) - Miller's mistake - she created her own explanation of doctrine - where she reduced Jesus Christ to being a Levitical High Priest. 3) she came up with this "Investigative Judgement" doctrine which has no Biblical evidence to support this. Shall I go on & on. Failed Prophecies, Failed Predictions, Shut Door doctrine, Christ would return in 1851, The Amalgamation, Prophetic Visions??? We must remember - she was a follower of William Miller and she also suffered a Head Injury which possibly could explain the visions as being mere delusions and hallucinations. We are warned in many places in The Holy Bible not to listen to False Prophets.
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Amen! For you honest conclusion.
@@Over-for-now Yes. And The finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ was finished at the cross. NOT in some heavenly sanctuary as they would have us believe.
@@buzzclark If Christ's ministry was finished at the cross, what was Paul talking about in Hebrews 8?
@@terry5914 The Atonement of Jesus Christ was finished at the Cross. Ellen G. White said in The Great Controversy that "in 1844 Christ moved into the most holy part of the heavenly sanctuary to finish his atoning work." Chapter 24 in The Great Controversy. In the Holy of Holies. I don't see this in scripture at all. She has reduced Jesus Christ to that of a Levitical High Priest from the Old Testament. I would be very careful not to "add to" God's Holy Scripture. Sister White claimed to speak on behalf of God. Her quotes frequently start with (I was shown in vision OR my accompanying Angel showed me this). I would be very careful to prove if the claims of Sister White if they would hold up according to Scripture and also History. That's All. Thank You.
I like the fact of a modern prophet ... i need all the assistance i can acquire.
Wait the person who is committed to defending EGW as a prophet hasn’t read the prophetic book cover to cover? The language is difficult, he says? No, the language has been adapted to modern times.
Adventists ought to research this women outside of Adventist preachers/teachers.
You wouldn’t tell a JW to look at their own publications in order to determine if their prophet is true!
Test your prophet, don’t rely on insiders teachers.
Any honest unbiased look at Ellen White reveals that she was clever and driven but definitely not a prophet.
Is he an Adventist? I couldn't tell. And I'm not sure if you're in agreement with or opposition to Ellen White's writings, but if you oppose her, I'd bet that you haven't read her writings in sincerity and are listening to the adversaries lies through your own teachers and associates. I hope that's not the case.
@@thenowchurch6419 On what do you base that statement?
@@mikejacobson14 Years of experience and research.
One of the most crucial pieces of evidence is the whole Shut Door incident.
Do you know that the congregation of Millerites that Ellen belonged to was called the Shut Door Adventists?
@@thenowchurch6419 But the term had a different meaning at that time. It was her opinion and not based on any prophetic claim as she hadn't yet had any visions. When she did, the error was corrected for her and her brethren. There were still people who were against her who held other beliefs.
The date in 1844 would lead to the "great disappointment", because they had kept the general understanding that the earth was the sanctuary of Christ, and it was prophecy that William Miller diligently studied for a few years, that reviewed the 2300 year prophecy to 1844, and then at that time Christ would cleanse the sanctuary. The sanctuary though, was not the earth, but in Heaven, as further study would reveal, and that 1844 was the cleansing of the sanctuary in Heaven representing the beginning of the " investigative judgement" of Christ's people since Adam. The dead in Christ are judged first, the living. Many people broke away from the Advent movement back then, after the "great disappointment", but, as I said, further study was done and more light given from God through Sister White, especially about the seventh day Sabbath being the only true Sabbath of the going back to Genesis 2:1-3. Hence the name Seventh Day Adventist. It is a movement proclaiming the soon coming of Jesus, but after the judgement is finished and a world wide Sunday law is enforced by the Papacy. As an Adventist, I never could imagine how this ever would come to be, but now it is obvious it will come through the Climate Change new constitution put forth by Pope Francis. I pray that you and I will be ready to meet our Jesus!
I am ready. I know that my sins have been forgiven. I know that I have eternal life and will live forever with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
By the way, the true and living God of the Bible is omniscient.
It would be blasphemy to say that God needs to do an 'Investigative Judgment' to figure those who are saved. God already knew those who would be saved before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4
Very true 🙏
Adventism is a ‘World Religion’, akin to Islam, LDS, JW,…it’s not Christian, as it promotes works salvation which is ‘another gospel’…
The Great Controversy is not as long as the bible. No way 😀
Didn't Ellen G. White have some vision where she saw these two gentlemen who had died - one of which had baptized someone in a cold river & caught Pnuemonia - from which he died. The vision involves both of these two dead gentlemen asking her what was presently taking place on earth below. Does anyone know of this vision & from which E.G. White's book it can be found. Thank You.
I'm not aware of that. She did not see their 'ghosts' if that's what you mean, because she believed that we sleep when we die, until the resurrection of life, or of the condemned, whichever you earned. If there's some vision as you described it must be symbolic, kind of like the rich man and Lazarus parable.
This can be found in The Word to the Little Flock, if I am not mistaken.
@@mikejacobson14 "whichever you earned" is a very SDA way to view salvation
@@jamesyoung907 “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Rev 22:12. These works are keeping the commandments of God and are the result of the devotion to Him, not the cause. Too many people use words as you did to imply legalism. You should be more concerned with your own obedience to the will of God. Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15. I don't know how it can get any plainer than that. But you're probably like my Baptist relatives: unwilling to see the plain truth.
The vision you speak of outlines what goes on during the 1000 years in heaven after the 1st ressurrection and then the return to the earth and the 2nd ressurection of the unsaved. 'Fitch and Stockman, who had preached the gospel of the kingdom, and whom God had laid in the grave to save them, came up to us and asked us what we had passed through while they were sleeping'. Word to the Little Flock. Ellen was given very interesting views in that Vision. Definitely not plagiarised. Her writings lead you back to the bible. Our aspiration should be to supersede her books entirely for the bible alone, and then supersede reading about God to actually speaking to him face to face as a friend...like Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus.
The great controversy is the Best book to read
Ecclesiastes 7:20
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Ellen White was a true prophet. And true Seventh Day Adventism is the true Christianity. We are nearing the time when the Sunday law will be enforced and thereafter the final movements will be rapid ones!
Ellen White taught that the door to heaven was shut on October 22, 1844.
You will not get in. Unless that doctrine was changed.
What are the three angels messages?
MESSAGE ONE
Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. 7 And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
MESSAGE TWO
8 Another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion[ of her sexual immorality.”
MESSAGE THREE
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
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Now what does the SDA church say are the three angels messages. By the way, is the date 1844 in the Bible somewhere?
MESSAGE ONE
The first angel's message was proclaimed in 1843/1844 through those who were erroneously announcing the imminent return of Jesus. Ellen White, Seventh-day Adventism's prophet, wrote:
Prophecy was fulfilled in the first and second angels' messages. They were given at the right time and accomplished the work which God designed to accomplish by them.
MESSAGE TWO
2. The second angel's message is a call for Christians attending non-Adventist churches to leave those churches and join the one true remnant church--the Seventh-day Adventists. As Mrs. White noted above, SDAs believed this prophecy was fulfilled in 1844 when some Christians left their churches to unite with the Millerite movement:
As the churches refused to receive the first angel's message, they rejected the light from heaven and fell from the favor of God. They trusted to their own strength, and by opposing the first message placed themselves where they could not see the light of the second angel's message. But the beloved of God, who were oppressed, accepted the message, "Babylon is fallen," and left the churches.
When the churches spurned the counsel of God by rejecting the advent message, the Lord rejected them. The first angel was followed by a second, proclaiming, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication." Revelation 14:8.
This message was understood by Adventists to be an announcement of the moral fall of the churches in consequence of their rejection of the first message. The proclamation, "Babylon is fallen," was given in the summer of 1844, and as the result, about fifty thousand withdrew from these churches.
God has rejected the church that I attend.
I will be destroyed. Scary, eh?
THIRD MESSAGE
3. The third angel's message is a warning against receiving the Mark of the Beast, which is said to be worship on Sunday. According to the SDA end-time scenario, the last great battle between good and evil will be fought over the day of worship.
Those who keep the Seventh-day Sabbath will receive the Seal of God, while those who keep Sunday receive the Mark of the Beast. According to SDA teachings, all the world will unite under the leadership of Satan to impose Sunday laws upon Seventh-day Adventists. As this frightening scenario unfolds, eventually Sunday laws will be passed requiring a death sentence for anyone who refuses to worship on Sunday. Ellen White explains:
As the Sabbath has become the special point of controversy throughout Christendom, and religious and secular authorities have combined to enforce the observance of the Sunday, the persistent refusal of a small minority to yield to the popular demand will make them objects of universal execration. ...a decree will finally be issued against those who hallow the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, denouncing them as deserving of the severest punishment and giving the people liberty, after a certain time, to put them to death. Romanism in the Old World and apostate Protestantism in the New will pursue a similar course toward those who honor all the divine precepts.
After this death decree has been passed by the evil Catholics and wicked Protestants, Jesus will return to save the holy Seventh-day Adventists. Then, He will execute the judgment described in Revelation 14:10-11 by sending fire to destroy all Sunday-keeping Christians.
God is going to send fire to destroy everyone who worships on Sunday. Looks like I will be toast.
dear people, get your eyes off Ellen G White. She is dead and gone and knows her reward. She will rise from the dead like all the dead will on the Day of Ressurrection.
Get your eyes on Jesus Christ.
Jesus said - "Truly, truly I say to you that an hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and the ones hearing will live.... He is the Son of Man...And they will come out, the ones having done good unto a resurrection of Life, and the ones having practiced evil into a resurrection of Judgment." John 5:25-29
Jesus said - "Follow Me". Matthew 9:9.
The Holy Spirit says - "Looking to the Author and Finisher of our faith, Jesus, who for the joy set before Him, endured the cross, despising the shame, and sat dowwn on the right of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2
EGW was VERY wrong about the prophecy of 1944. She spoke invoking the name of God. This prophecy was false. Moses says how to tell a false prophet(ess). "When a prophet(ess) speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing DOES NOT happen or come about, THAT is the thing which the Lord HAS NOT spoken; that prophet(ess) has spoken proudly; you SHALL NOT BE AFRAID of them." Deuteronomy 18:22.
Ellen G White by Moses standard given by God, was a false prophetess. Do NOT listen to her. She lied in the name of the Lord. Liars do not enter into the eternal city - Revelation 22.
If you insist on whitewashing Mrs White, you are promoting the lies she told in the name of the Lord; repent or you will receive the Judgment God has already declared.
God is merciful and full of tender compassions and ready to forgive.... but we must repent and turn from our sins. God has already laid down His rules for Judging everyone of us.
Don't be proud like Mrs White was.
Read the Bible WITHOUT Mrs White's books.
Ask God the Father to show you what His Book is saying. Father God is well able to open your eyes. He doesn't need Mrs White's help. And neither do you.
Don't be deceived.
Look to Jesus alone and the Holy SPirit will lead you adn guide you into ALL truth just like Jesus promised.
Look to Mrs White and you will be disappointed at the end of life's journey.
Seems rather cultish to me.
There's a video on RUclips titled Antichus and the Antichrist part 1 . Christians and Jews accept that Daniels prophecy was fulfilled around 164 BC.
Test the prophets by the Bible tests for a Prophet that takes Our Lords inspirations and writes them for this worlds benefit and warning!!!!
Greetings of peace,
I testify that on 21 December 2006, through Deut 4:1-516 and John 14:6-7, God revealed truth to me, which is the picture or statue woul liken the image of Jesus is idol.
Because of God's will, I testified since January 2007 (Isaiah 44:8-9).
Give Ear Unto Me O My Nation
Isaiah 51:4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. 51:5 My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.
Psalm 85:8 I will hear what God the Lord will speak: for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Psalm 81:13 Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways! 81:14 I should soon have subdued their enemies, and turned my hand against their adversaries.
*Word is quoted from the King James Version. I respectfully use name YHWH for LORD*
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What are you trying to say exactly? You don’t believe that Jesus/Yeshua is the Messiah? So sorry if I misunderstood.
By the way, the KJV translation is not completely accurate. I’m not sure if you are an only KJV type of Bible reader, but I’ve been studying textual criticism and can point out a couple different examples. KJV was the first Bible translation that I read when I became a Christian. I still love it for many reasons, but I don’t think it’s the only translation Christians have to read. That being said, I’m not claiming ALL translations are to be accepted blindly if you know what I mean. I’m curious to hear your thoughts. 😊
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*That Is Not Lord Jesus's Statue or Picture*
Isaiah 40:25-26 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
Isaiah 42:8-9 I am the YHWH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Greetings of peace,
I testify that on 21 December 2006, through Deut 4:1-516 and John 14:6-7, God revealed truth to me, which is the picture or statue woul liken the image of Jesus is idol.
Because of God's will, I testified since January 2007 (Isaiah 44:8-9).
Give Ear Unto Me O My Nation
Isaiah 51:4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. 51:5 My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Psalm 85:8 I will hear what God the Lord will speak: for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly.
Psalm 81:13 Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways! 81:14 I should soon have subdued their enemies, and turned my hand against their adversaries.
In the name of Jesus Christ the Lord
*Word is quoted from the King James Version. I respectfully use name YHWH for LORD*
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@@yangbersyukur But who is claiming that?
Great controversy is full of Truth,that satan hates.
Have you read the Bible?
What are the three angels messages?
MESSAGE ONE
Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. 7 And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
MESSAGE TWO
8 Another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion[ of her sexual immorality.”
MESSAGE THREE
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
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Now what does the SDA church say are the three angels messages. By the way, is the date 1844 in the Bible somewhere?
MESSAGE ONE
The first angel's message was proclaimed in 1843/1844 through those who were erroneously announcing the imminent return of Jesus. Ellen White, Seventh-day Adventism's prophet, wrote:
Prophecy was fulfilled in the first and second angels' messages. They were given at the right time and accomplished the work which God designed to accomplish by them.
MESSAGE TWO
2. The second angel's message is a call for Christians attending non-Adventist churches to leave those churches and join the one true remnant church--the Seventh-day Adventists. As Mrs. White noted above, SDAs believed this prophecy was fulfilled in 1844 when some Christians left their churches to unite with the Millerite movement:
As the churches refused to receive the first angel's message, they rejected the light from heaven and fell from the favor of God. They trusted to their own strength, and by opposing the first message placed themselves where they could not see the light of the second angel's message. But the beloved of God, who were oppressed, accepted the message, "Babylon is fallen," and left the churches.
When the churches spurned the counsel of God by rejecting the advent message, the Lord rejected them. The first angel was followed by a second, proclaiming, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication." Revelation 14:8.
This message was understood by Adventists to be an announcement of the moral fall of the churches in consequence of their rejection of the first message. The proclamation, "Babylon is fallen," was given in the summer of 1844, and as the result, about fifty thousand withdrew from these churches.
God has rejected the church that I attend.
I will be destroyed. Scary, eh?
THIRD MESSAGE
3. The third angel's message is a warning against receiving the Mark of the Beast, which is said to be worship on Sunday. According to the SDA end-time scenario, the last great battle between good and evil will be fought over the day of worship.
Those who keep the Seventh-day Sabbath will receive the Seal of God, while those who keep Sunday receive the Mark of the Beast. According to SDA teachings, all the world will unite under the leadership of Satan to impose Sunday laws upon Seventh-day Adventists. As this frightening scenario unfolds, eventually Sunday laws will be passed requiring a death sentence for anyone who refuses to worship on Sunday. Ellen White explains:
As the Sabbath has become the special point of controversy throughout Christendom, and religious and secular authorities have combined to enforce the observance of the Sunday, the persistent refusal of a small minority to yield to the popular demand will make them objects of universal execration. ...a decree will finally be issued against those who hallow the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, denouncing them as deserving of the severest punishment and giving the people liberty, after a certain time, to put them to death. Romanism in the Old World and apostate Protestantism in the New will pursue a similar course toward those who honor all the divine precepts.
After this death decree has been passed by the evil Catholics and wicked Protestants, Jesus will return to save the holy Seventh-day Adventists. Then, He will execute the judgment described in Revelation 14:10-11 by sending fire to destroy all Sunday-keeping Christians.
God is going to send fire to destroy everyone who worships on Sunday.
If she were really inspired by God there won't be hatred towards fellow human beings. Sad to mention some of her followers are most divisive and preaching and creating hatred among fellow brothers.
There are wolves among the sheep.
But what you might call hatred might be a bitter truth people find hard to accept
Ellen G White was a prophet chosen by God. She was a humble and devout woman who served God faithfully throughout her life. Her writings are in complete harmony with the living Word of God.
@@Over-for-now yes 100!percent
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The national Sunday law is a phantom . It's a false doctrine of EGW . There is no scripture to support the Sunday law . EGW was a liar and a fraud
Most of her teachings are not in the Bible.
Remember she said many times she was just a messenger. People forget men refused to be used by God before she accepted the call.
@@WilliamNordeste Ellen G White merely described herself as a messenger because she herself was indeed a humble woman and servant of the Lord.
She is the last prophet before the Second Coming of Jesus.🕊
The more I hear, the weirder and more heretical the foundations of the SDA become. ✝️🙏🏼📖
That's because you're hearing from non-Adventists who don't really know what they're talking about. You should do a Bible study with an Adventist. You might be surprised by the things you didn't know. But check Gen 2:1-3, Ex 20:1-17, Rev 12:17, 14:12, and 19:10 and ask yourself, "Do I fit this description? Do I keep the commandments of God as He wrote them? Do I have the faith of Jesus? Do I have the testimony of Jesus (the spirit of prophecy)? These describe God's church at the end of time.
@@mikejacobson14
And what you just said confirms my view, but I will qualify my prior post by saying, “The more I hear DIRECTLY from SDAs, the weirder and more heretical the foundations of their beliefs become”.
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Prophesy is a GIFT and another very important GIFT is DISCERNMENT or TESTING so you are not DECEIVED by FALSE PREACHERS/PROPHETS.
@@pameladavid2887
It does not take the gift of discernment to determine that the SDA was founded by a false prophet, that they follow a false Christ, and that their doctrines are heretical. ✝️🙏🏼😇
CHRISTIANS on the outside see it NATURALLY but SDA members don't SEE it so they need to use the GIFTS GOD provided for CHRISTIANS to use and come to a CONCLUSION.
??Could be Demonic
God said do not consult people who have died.
Stay far away from Ellen White and adventism. It looks innocent from the outside. But a very dark religion to be stuck in.
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
You're far from correct. Do you have any evidence at all other than that your pastor told you that? I find great light in it, and it's all about worshipping the creator God, not some apostate church who worships a man in Rome. BTW, the prophetic gift is available in truth in the end times. You just have to know the difference, not just a single verse that sounds good to you.
@@mikejacobson14
Another Ellenist who jumps to conclusions that I’m a catholic, jesuit or even a sun worshipper.
Also claiming that I don’t understand my Bible, or that I know anything about adventism. You know nothing about me.
Yet, in the same breath you want to tell me how great that lady was, the same lady who stole from other authors, and never admitted to it.
Wake up Mike, and come back to God.
I’ll pray for you 💚
@@Ben-vq2fp judge not cos as you judge God will judge you
@@Ben-vq2fp
You are 💯 right! Even Ted Wilson does not know what he is teaching from the Great Controversy. Bible tests prove her to be a 'false' prophet.
Therefore, come out of her and be ye separate.
So much sanitized cherry picking in this video. Blatant dishonesty.
This false prophet I hold right up there with Charles Manson. Or maybe with Helena lavatsky, or Alice Bailey. But keep the money train rolling. Better than having to make an honest living.
perhaps you are covered in OSAS sauce?
You need help Brother. If you read Steps To Christ, Desire of Ages, I would say that you will change your mind through God's Grace and mercy.
Maybe you should see how the early Seventh-day Adventists spent the money. What are you doing with your money to lead others to the Creator?
@@WilliamNordeste Nunya biz
I always hear about 7th day advenstists being accused of being a cult by people who never even read Ellen White's books in the first place. Yet, I can prove Baptists wrong using the Bible.
The movement started on a failed prophecy, and was continuing by a false prophet. Love the people, but the doctrine is heresy.
The failed prophecy was prophecied in Rev 10 ie the bitter sweet experience. Please get into every theological assertion with supporting scriptures before you assume anything about adventists. God bless you.
@@salomeakonor I’m not assuming anything about adventism, I’m stating the facts about its foundation. I’m glad you agree it was started on a false prophecy, but also fulfilled another prophecy in scripture Matthew 24:11. God bless you.
@@salomeakonor What are the three angels messages according to Revelation?
MESSAGE ONE
Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. 7 And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
MESSAGE TWO
8 Another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion[ of her sexual immorality.”
MESSAGE THREE
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
***************************************************
Now what does the SDA church say are the three angels messages. By the way, is the date 1844 in the Bible somewhere?
MESSAGE ONE
The first angel's message was proclaimed in 1843/1844 through those who were erroneously announcing the imminent return of Jesus. Ellen White, Seventh-day Adventism's prophet, wrote:
Prophecy was fulfilled in the first and second angels' messages. They were given at the right time and accomplished the work which God designed to accomplish by them.
MESSAGE TWO
2. The second angel's message is a call for Christians attending non-Adventist churches to leave those churches and join the one true remnant church--the Seventh-day Adventists. As Mrs. White noted above, SDAs believed this prophecy was fulfilled in 1844 when some Christians left their churches to unite with the Millerite movement:
As the churches refused to receive the first angel's message, they rejected the light from heaven and fell from the favor of God. They trusted to their own strength, and by opposing the first message placed themselves where they could not see the light of the second angel's message. But the beloved of God, who were oppressed, accepted the message, "Babylon is fallen," and left the churches.
When the churches spurned the counsel of God by rejecting the advent message, the Lord rejected them. The first angel was followed by a second, proclaiming, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication." Revelation 14:8.
This message was understood by Adventists to be an announcement of the moral fall of the churches in consequence of their rejection of the first message. The proclamation, "Babylon is fallen," was given in the summer of 1844, and as the result, about fifty thousand withdrew from these churches.
God has rejected the church that I attend.
I will be destroyed. Scary, eh?
THIRD MESSAGE
3. The third angel's message is a warning against receiving the Mark of the Beast, which is said to be worship on Sunday. According to the SDA end-time scenario, the last great battle between good and evil will be fought over the day of worship.
Those who keep the Seventh-day Sabbath will receive the Seal of God, while those who keep Sunday receive the Mark of the Beast. According to SDA teachings, all the world will unite under the leadership of Satan to impose Sunday laws upon Seventh-day Adventists. As this frightening scenario unfolds, eventually Sunday laws will be passed requiring a death sentence for anyone who refuses to worship on Sunday. Ellen White explains:
As the Sabbath has become the special point of controversy throughout Christendom, and religious and secular authorities have combined to enforce the observance of the Sunday, the persistent refusal of a small minority to yield to the popular demand will make them objects of universal execration. ...a decree will finally be issued against those who hallow the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, denouncing them as deserving of the severest punishment and giving the people liberty, after a certain time, to put them to death. Romanism in the Old World and apostate Protestantism in the New will pursue a similar course toward those who honor all the divine precepts.
After this death decree has been passed by the evil Catholics and wicked Protestants, Jesus will return to save the holy Seventh-day Adventists. Then, He will execute the judgment described in Revelation 14:10-11 by sending fire to destroy all Sunday-keeping Christians.
God is going to send fire to destroy everyone who worships on Sunday.
Ellen G white would prophesy while her eyes were rolled back in her head, and she would froth at the mouth