NASCAR on Fox Has Hit a New Low
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- Опубликовано: 20 апр 2024
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In this video, I delve into why NASCAR on FOX is considered by many to be the worst broadcasting experience for fans. From missed crucial moments to lackluster commentary, the reasons why this relationship between on track action and what's shown on TV falls short are explored in detail. Join us as we break down why NASCAR on FOX is terrible. The NASCAR race at Talladega was a new rock bottom for FOX's coverage.
Are you tired of watching NASCAR on FOX? You're not alone. Many fans feel the same way. From the constant commercial breaks to the lackluster commentary, it's hard to enjoy the race. And don't even get me started on the over-the-top graphics and sound effects. It's like a bad video game come to life. But perhaps the most frustrating part is the sometimes biased coverage and the ridiculous sponsored segments at incredibly weird points in the race.
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Remember that F1 races are run commercial free from green to checkered.
Apparently in Europe and Australia NASCAR races are commercial free from what I read
Where the heck do you live. It is just as bad as Nascar.
@@craigpennington1251here in the states F1 is completely commercial free on ESPN, commercials during pre race but race is commercial free. At least it has been for the last 5 or so years, I haven’t watched much of it this year
@@driver8703Not in Australia. We get the international feed on Fox which has ads and an inferior graphics package and at times different pictures. It is really poor.
Nascars ads are to agressive its like popup ads that hit you evey few minutes and cant be closed for 30 seconds.. its uncapptable if they want people to not lose interest. its killing their ratings thing thing is they would prob make more money with less agressive advertising cause this is killing ratings and that cost them alot more money than the agressive ads bring in i think.
Mike Joy says "business is picking up" with 8 to go in stage 2. They don't come back until 4 to go. Then they spend a whole lap naming sponsors and showing a flag in the Infield. THEN, they spend yet ANOTHER lap showing the "PODS move of the race," which they could've EASILY done during the stage break under caution. So in essence, they only showed the last 2 laps of stage 2; TWO LAPS! That is unacceptable!
I couldn't believe they went to commercial then! Utterly ridiculous.
They have no idea what they're doing.
I totally agree!!!
What ever happened to NASCAR? It's not the coverage from NBC,abc, CBS, it's NASCAR in general!!!
Have not watched in years. Life goes on!
I'm watching less and less...almost don't care 😢😢😢...just going fishin!!!
I quit watching after they started the "stage racing" - Time-out racing, potty-break racing - That is not racing. Never again will there be a caution-free race, and anyone that's witnessed one knows that is real racing. I've been watching since the 70s and that was the final straw for me.
Agreed. NASCAR died when Dale hit the wall and spiraled ever since.
Agree 100%. It’s just not racing anymore. Stages, all the restrictions and rules… i quit years ago. I just clicked on this video to see how much more nascar was falling. It just got boring.
Yeah - I tuned into a race after not having watched for a while, I was trying to figure out why the commentators were talking about teams planning for the caution flag at lap X. I'm thinking, how TF do they know there's going to be a caution then?!? Wait - there's a PLANNED caution? Ridiculous. I lost a lot of interest when they went to the Chase format, and even more with the planned cautions.
"Nascar Overtime" is even worse than the stages IMHO. So many guys that dominated a race get robbed because of the lame gimmick. Not to mention you can bet on plenty of tore up race cars because of it.
haven't really followed nascar at all since 2001. I remember tuning in out of curiosity a few years back to hear the announcers talking about a challenge cone. I said out loud, "what the fuck is a challenge cone?" Then they excitedly announced that I should get ready for "Stage 2"? Again I said, " WHAT THE FUCK IS STAGE 2!!?"
I'm so glad to see you do a video about how bad the coverage on Fox is. It's atrocious. We miss a lot of the race for different reasons. Sometimes they're showing some kind of interview during the race. And when they come back from commercial they'll show some graphics or something else even when the race is going on.
It's not much better when it goes to NBC.
Thank Jeff Gordon
@@user-vz2vv4qs8t Agreed
There's just too many ads. It doesn't matter if it's Fox or NBC. I don't care how much Wendy's paid, showing that long of a commercial during the last 20 laps was absurd. Ad revenue is first, racing is second with NASCAR and the networks covering the races. They act like they can't figure out why NASCAR is in such a sad state, but fans like myself have been screaming the same thing since 2005. TOO MANY ADS!
Not to mention the cars are rolling billboards. They could just zoom in on a car and talk about those sponsors for a minute, and never leave the race coverage.
@@timwhite9272kinda like how soccer doesn't have commercials during the match and have the video board things with sponsors
Also, NASCAR taking away the horsepower and making these guys race overly aggressive which causes so many crashes. I can't even watch it anymore with all of the cautions they have now. It's basically a busch league.
IndyCar and IMSA are the same way. Its really exhausting to watch.
@@ManicfuguestateAt least IMSA uploads qualifying and the full race to RUclips a few days later with no commercial breaks. That alone puts them miles ahead of other North American series, without even touching the quality of the races.
You know something?, i actually miss ESPN and TNT coverage.
I mean come on dude, ¡¿we got a car upside down and we don't get a good angle of that?! .
Miss Speed and TNN too!
Absolutely they were much better. They may have had more basic coverage, no toys. But that is what I like. Just do the race without so many attempts at dopey humor, non racing drama crap and promotion. Remember Alan Bestwick? wow. And the old days of people like Dr P and Bennie etc
The cameras are to zoomed in. Everyone has a 55 inch tv now. They can back up the cameras.
I was pleasantly surprised they talked about SVG a few times.
At the end of the race when Toyotas were crashing they were sure quick to yell about JHN causing the crash but when they realized Bubba did it they shut up really quick.
My blood boils when I hear commentors change their opinions depending on who done what...
Back in the ‘90’s and early ‘00’s, when NASCAR was watchable, we would always have the race on the tv in the garage with the volume turned all the way down and listen to the MRN broadcast on the radio. It was always better than listening to the commentators on tv.
That's brilliant and I wish I had thought of it. Was there a lag between the radio broadcast being ahead of what you could see with the TV broadcast?
It has always been better than listening to the chuckleheads now a days, luckily I have a stereo system that i can mute the voices, but they need to go back to the old way
@@slopingkinkajou9762 The Toyota hype can get old.
I miss the days CBS covered nascar. Come to think of it, I miss the races from back then
Absolutely. Todays racing sucks.
Ned Jarrett and Ken Squire were the kings of nascar announcing
Ill admit it, I like the Earnhardt family,when they were done so was i.
And racers!
You ain't lying!
Even the commercials during Xfinity were ridiculous. Once I saw a Side-by-side-by-side making the race view so small it was like watching it on my phone so they could play two commercials at once.
This is absolutely unacceptable.
I said this on radmans channel, but what happened to the days of cutting back to the broadcast during a wreck?
It’s been a while since they did that, they really only do it if they’re in a side by side break. You’re right, they don’t do it anymore.
@@JakeSimRacing And how about those SINGLE FILE RESTARTS dude!! Like WTF!!!??? Last time I checked, for the past 15 years or so, we've been doing double file restarts. Can you please do a video explaining what the hell that was all about? Thanks JSR :)
It was 1 restart and it was I believe that cars pitted twice to top off with fuel. 7 or 8 cars didnt do that and they were double file. The rest all got 'penalized" and had to start at the tail end of the longest line.
@@m2lookmtn358 So the first car to commit the penalty should line up at the tail end of the longest line and then all the other cars should simple line up side by side double file, not single file since this is a new era of Nascar and not under the old single file rules. ??
And actually it was twice that they lined up in single file, I have the video footage to prove it :)
I'm kinda old school. My favorite *Nascar* days was when they were on *ESPN,* It was all about racing not so much a fashion show... 🏁🏁
and you KNEW where to find it on TV.....
@@csnide6702 You are so right!
@@Larrymarx I get SO tired of spending 15 min every week channel chasing just to FIND THE DAMN RACE.
@@csnide6702 Frustrating to say the least.
@@csnide6702…… it’s either on Fox or nbc, hate to break it to you but if you can’t find the race that sounds like a you problem
Things went downhill when a garage door rope became a noose. After 34 years following NASCAR, I don't give a shit anymore.
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...and yet here you are?
And here you are with black your I'm small lame ass reply!😂
go woke go broke....nooseman is just a race baiter and a dei...didn't earn it.
I will NOT watch a live race on FOX or NBC because of the absolutely ridiculous number of commercial breaks . I dvr every race and either watch it the next day or start watching after about it’s been recording for an hour, just to skip all the stupid commercials. I won’t even watch the side by side breaks. These races are too damn long to begin with, so skipping the commercials makes it possible for me to watch in one sitting.
I used to watch nascar from the 70s till I got dish and could watch all the races, and as an ex-racer I started to see the favoritism to certain teams back in the late 90s, I quit watching because of the favoritism by nascar so I now just watch the highlights, and in the highlights, they said now the crew chief can now see what is going on to the car on a computer, it takes and makes things worse for me, the driver is supposed to know what shape the car is in, so after hearing that why have nascar just let them run races on a computer, racing is the fastest car and best handling car should win, in my opinion when you take the manual setup out of the driver, and crew chiefs hands it kills the sport, I raced with Tony rains back in the day and seen him give up in a race because the toe was out by I think it was like a 32nd of an inch and that was on a quarter mile track, if the cars have gotten that sensitive than do away with the sport, things happen during a race, you either push yourself to get through it or park the car, I liked the old style racing way better than it is now.
Man, the favoritism started way before the late 90s. NASCAR has been shady since their first race back in 1949.
I can believe that before 96 I only had what I could watch on free tv and it was like 3-4 races a year @@RRaquello
I'm older, so I remember when NASCAR races were shown on TNN. They had so many fewer cameras and a much lower production cost, but the commentators were great and there were fewer commercials. Fox and NBC have put too many gimmicks in their broadcasts and have to run commercials to pay for it all. I'm not saying we have to go back to the TNN days, but having a simpler broadcast that focused on the actual racing and less on the drones, the 'human interest' segments and having a zillion in-car cameras would be great.
I’m done with them, I want Fox out of here. Either give the first half to CBS, ESPN or just give NBC the full season. I’m sick of the commercials and incompetent camera work from Fox. They need to go!
OR just have a TV contract with ONE NETWORK so I can stop channel chasing just to find the damn race.
Could not of said it better myself!
I think the camera operators do nice work, but some of the directors shouldn't be directors.
Incompetence . . . that's a very good word for it. Well spoken.
@@csnide6702 Or Syndicate it and use production in-house, It's working for IMSA internationally.
We need to mention the random cut to the infield logo for absolutely no reason
The amount of commercials they have is getting so bad everytime they say how many laps are left or took a moment of silenece or showed that one camera angle (i dont know how to else to describe but they use that one camera qngke everytime theyre about to go to brake) i expect them to go to commercial i shouldnt be expecting a commercial everytime your announcers say how many laps are left
Same with baseball. Every third sentence out their mouth is a damn commercial. And they ramble on about anything but the game being played.
i actually think the director HAS been the center point in this conversation. door bumper clear had him on last year (just check it out, dale, jr.'s youtube channel has clips i think) and he came off as completely closed-minded & even disrespectful imo, especially brushing off the criticism as, "hate", not knowing that his outdated style of storytelling a live sports event is intrusive to the experience & is the reason there is actual hate here.
the way the production is run is very old-school & mimics that of stick-and-ball sports, which doesn't reflect to racing well. should say to the age of fox nascar's director, as he's been here since 2001.
i know you said otherwise but i want him the hell out. that being said, i do get a vibe that he's NOT the only one causing the trouble so i think the entire production team needs a complete overhaul to cap it off.
fresh, new blood is needed. hell, if fox can poach people from f1tv then that'd be great, they know how to make racing events feel big & important. just look at how special f1 feels in a race despite having the "inferior" product at face value.
all in all, i do agree though, fox has hit a new low and is cutting costs because they're incompetent half the time it feels like. what we need is a new culture in these spaces so that new habits can galvanize it. amazon is new & turner is returning after over a decade gone, this is a chance for new blood to change the terrible atmosphere nascar broadcasting has been under for a while now.
if that doesn't happen soon, nascar is screwed.
Great comment! You are right on with all that. How do we get NASCAR to see how bad the coverage is? With a different type of coverage, they could increase the viewership.
I stopped watching when they did stage racing
Worse: Kempner had previously directed races for TBS in the 1990s.
@@trevortuominen8233 really?? damn haha, well that only further proves whatever points i made lol
@@nascarnational In fact, he's been active in directing for sports since 1982. Lots of mistakes you'd expect from a director with 40 less years of experience than him.
NASCAR coverage hasn’t been the same since they left ESPN and TNT. Mainstream network coverage ruined the up close and personal interviews with the drivers, owners and crew chiefs. Even if your favorite drivers weren’t doing well, they still received air time as the camera went through the field periodically and focus on tight racing within the pack. Now if you never saw a race before you’d think there were only 10 cars on the track. Mainstream marketing and media killed the intimacy we had with the sport.
I love it how I have only seen maybe one full wreck, clearly, from start to finish at a good angle once in the past five races.
I love it how NASCAR is obsessed with full screen ads, when they have the ability to show side-by-side commercials
I love it how with 12 or so laps to go, they do a side-by-side cut away to show audiences what they've missed for the race, when the commentators just said this is the most exciting the race has been, how tense, and how good it is at the moment.
I love it how Fox can't get a good angle for a single Big One this season
I love it how I need to wait til well after the race is over to even see what happened in the Big One. (I didn't know LaJoie flipped til 2 hours after the race, because I shut off the TV after the winner's interview)
I love it how the commentary is typically lackluster and boring (not a fan of Bowyer at all)
I love it how Fox has the worst timing with commercials.
I love how the commercials on Fox repeat themselves 10 times a race.
I love it how for the 'Ones to Watch' has a complete lack of any good production. NFL can display stats on a dime, but we can't get anymore than 5 good stats in a race.
NBC Needs To Seriously, And I Mean, SERIOUSLY, Broadcast The DAYTONA 500, Rather Than FOX.
Then why did they bail out?
@@tonybanke3560Probably because at the time (2001-06) NBC was despised by the fans when compared to Fox, especially when they split the Daytona coverage.
@@stephenholloway6893 NBC is just as bad. Both need to go away
Not if the broadcast is anything like the IMSA race from Long beach on Saturday. It was the worst motorsport broadcast I've seen in 30 years.
CBS did a much better job than NBC.
The camera angles during every race have also become atrocious. Race weekends are now just races. Stripped to the bare bones. No "weekend" or big event coming to town feeling. No Speed channel, no significant practice coverage or traditional qualifying. Anybody else miss Trackside Live and all the big personalities? It's as passive as the day's NBA game. WWE went through a similar fall in recent years, and has since recovered it's popularity by going back to the things that used to work. Nascar needs to follow that. Literally, just completely recreate what they did '04 to about 2012.
I think Darrel Walthrip was tje best broadcaster Fox had. But I quit watching NASCAR because of all the stupid new rules and formats they keep coming up with, when they divided the race into 3 stages they lost me as a viewer
Turned on the desktop Saturday and started streaming the Cars Tour at 2:45pm on Floracing. Around 6:30pm I fired up the bigscreen, turned on Floracing and streamed The High Limit Series. Hours of racing, dirt and pavement. Multiple classes of cars, hundreds of laps of qualifying, heat races and features and exactly ZERO green flag racing commercials, not even during qualifying. Over 8 hours of racing coverage. Drivers actually passing before the last corner of the last lap without having to run over each other. You tuned in to this garbage, missed at least 25% of the green flag racing due to 4,5 or more commercials in a row and the winner of the race isn't the fastest car, not the best driver, not the team with the best strategy but the luckiest driver to survive the demolition derby. SHAMCAR is a joke.
$40/month, though? I'd have to give up cheeseburgers, man! How did you do it?
Edit: Okay if you pay annually it's $14/month. Bye Netlix, Bye outside world. Hello Flo!
Racing America is free on the Roku live app and it's pretty damn awesome. I just canceled Hulu live and got the F1 channel. Hulu live $80 a month, F1 80 a year, all car cams, 2 different commentaries and no commercials
Minor series are like that, no cash from ads.
The part where the broadcasters were walking around with cups of french fries in their hands, so awkward
That was incredibly dopey. But that is fox for you
Are the producers off their faces?
How can you miss a car sliding on its side though the finish line. I'm sure Corey would have appreciated better footage of his first big stack lol
I'm 70 years old and after reading all these comments about the coverage I think back to the 1960's with ABC's Wide World of Sports with Jim McKay ....... maybe 20 minutes of coverage then off to basket weaving competition in Norway ..... Then back to the race with 10 laps to go.... A high lite from back then was a in car still picture on the cover of Stock Car Racing magazine! This new generation has NO IDEA how good they have it now! On the other hand NASCAR and Goodyear have made these cars a mess with too much downforce and way too much grip . I'm so SICK of hearing about "clean air ". And now back to basket weaving ................ :)
Some of the free to air stations in Australia play ads with picture in picture leaving the broadcast still on in a small pop up screen. I think it was used for the Bathurst 1000 or maybe it was the Australian Grand Prix.
Fox needs to keep the viewers and advertisers happy at the same time and this is the only answer
It pisses me off that fox has the audio of the cars louder than the announcers and you can hardly hear what they are saying
Many races I do not need the endless yapping by even the better commentators. Almost am completely distracted by it. I would just like the important things told to me. I don't need these overpaid clowns telling me what I can clearly see on the screen (dale jr). And boy would I like to hear the cars similar to being there. Give me an alternate audio channel that is only the track sounds! Need major changes with nascar and the broadcasters
Jeffmooney you get a special reward for most clueless comment, obviously you do not “get” auto racing. Move along, you don’t belong here
id rather hear a high compression pushrod V-8 spin at 7000 rpm than listen to some has been fart out his mouth for 3 hours
I am old enough to say, wee could see more coverage of a race on Wide World of Sports
Oh that wipe out of the down hill skier in the start of the program!
Someone needs to tell Clint Boyer to shut up and let Mike Joy call the race. NASCAR popularity is already at an all time low and FOX Sports is not helping.
Seriously? Boyer actually adds depth, has a sense of humor, doesn’t take himself seriously. Joy blathers on about mundane nothings, much like LeTart/Burton. Those two have made the second half of the season almost unbearable, soon to be made worse due to Jr. moving on.
As a Belgian we aren't used to that amount of ads during a sports game/race or even films on tv. I watch the races on youtube but the adds are shown as well and it's annoying as hell. Never understood why there are so many add breaks in an hour of tv programs...cit surely could be done different 😬
NASCAR has been losin ratings for years. NBC has terrible coverage and no promo. Most races are wayyy to expensive to attend in person and u can only see the cars for 3-5 seconds and u gotta wait again. They have to do something before the sport dies or changes so much its unwatchable. Truley sad i grew up on REAL nascar.
The program director is not a race fan. It’s just a job.
30 car plie up and we get absolute shit for replays
Well done Fox
today we got a commercial break. turns out crash happened during. show a few replays. more commercials. a few cars entering the pits. THEN MORE COMMERCIALS ARE YOU SERIOUS
This is why I'm happy I live in Norway. Whenever FOX have commercial breaks, the norwegian channel that has the rights to Nascar, continue to show footage of the race, with the engine sounds and all that (without commentators in that moment), so I could still watch the race and everything that might happen, and everything that did happen during the commercial break.
I HATE FOX coverage. Terrible camera angles, late to the party shots, cutting to commercial breaks even when things are developing on track, Bowyer is sooooooooooooooo annoying. You could hear Harvick dying inside every time Bowyer would interrupt him. Each time, Harvick sounded more and more deflated. Bowyer cannot shut up. It would be one thing if he had something insightful to say but he often adds little to the conversation and has some stupid dad joke instead.
It's 80% on the Director.
Artie Kempner is beyond washed up at this point. He's irredeemable. He oughta be barred from ever going near motorsports coverage with a ten-foot pole.
I won’t watch races live anymore. I watch them recorded so I can skip the first two stages (because they don’t matter) and fast forward through all the many, many, commercials. Stage racing and the chase sucks!
I watch NASCAR from abroad, with a local PBP announcer, only cutting to the US audio feed when a pitlane reporter is on. The international video feed doesn't show the commercials, instead it just continues with the regular camera feeds, although usually it does default to the blimp cam, which gives us a clear indication there's a commercial break in the US. Meanwhile our announcer just keeps on commenting on the race while the normal feed....
But looking a those moments even I can see how godawful many commercial breaks there are and how much happens during those commercials. Our announcer sometimes even mentions that 'Our American colleagues must be on a commercial, because I hear nothing on their audio feed'
Just like last year, can't wait for NBC
I am just about insane by the time we get to that point. But then nbc has plenty of faults also. They started out great but within a year or two it was the same kind of bs.
@helpful5539 I think nbc is a lot better with making the race exciting, plus the production is a lot better. There aren't many things missed throughout the race. Fox misses literally everything that happens this year.
@@nickshaf22thats not saying much though since NBC doesn't even seem interested in being the home of motorsports much less cover it. Plus NBC has the same problem with IMSA and they're not listening. They tried to become the home of motorsports but it's backfiring on them with every other series they're covering.
Blah, I mean at least Fox showed the race... IMSA at Long Beach with Peacock was pretty shows around the LBC, the applicable 'in race' ads, and a whole lot of dead air for commercial breaks with "Oh there's a crash, we're let you know what happened after these messages..." I was so sick of it at the 50 mark, I turned the peacock off and watched SRO stuff going on on RUclips.
I don't even bother watching live broadcasts anymore. If the series has highlights, I _might_ watch them, but IMSA specifically uploads the full race a few days later with no interruptions.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 VPN and you can get that feed for free on YT.
The idea that NASCAR could have remote broadcasting for the Cup Series is absurd. During the first year and a half of the pandemic, it made sense to have TV broadcasters call games remotely, but there’s no reason to continue doing that. Broadcasters need to see what’s going on and have much more visuals when they’re at the track than just relying on hundreds of cameras.
However, it saves television companies money not having to pay for their travel and other expenses- which is the reason why the Truck Series won’t return to in-person broadcasting.
I've loved NASCAR close to 30 years. They need to bring back victory lane, dramatically decrease the on board shots, get rid of the backward on board shots except for the replays of wrecks, get rid of that big scorers box that takes up a quarter of the screen and go back to the scrolling ticker, AND GET RID OF THE DIRT AT BRISTOL!
They did go back to regular Bristol for the spring date this season.
I gave up on NASCAR years ago. I started watching Formula 1. You get the full race with zero commercials. NASCAR can learn some great lessons from them.
I'm good. The racing is terrible.
F1 is great. You never have to worry about missing a pass for the lead. Because there aren't any. Just like soccer.
They want fans to subscribe to their streaming services. Best way to do that, blast ads non stop on network tv.
It’s about to work on me. Although I more leaning to one of these services that specialize in local short track content.
Tried to watch NASCAR one time. Literally 70% of the race was ads. I will never watch NASCAR again.
The first thing wrong is the on screen vertical scoring bar with 25% screen width. Bafflingly bad idea thats driven me nuts for years now. Whoever agreed to this must be blind, or think this is golf, or bowling coverage. The old horizontal, 2 layer scroll at the top of the screen is so much better for viewing and the camera operators. They could still cut to the current one from time to time, under caution, etc. Seems almost every week is a new low for the chimp they have toggling cameras.
When you said “Fox hit a new low on Sunday” I thought I’d clicked on a news story by mistake. LMAO
800k commercials and hardly any big wrecks
Only good thing was Ford had its 60th anniversary for Mustang pooped on!😆
Here in New Zealand we've got Nascar on free TV. When they go to commercial breaks we don't have commercials, just racing with no commentary. It's incredible how often there is an incident while you guys are stuck watching commercials. It's bad enough having no commentary but I would be furious if I were watching ads.
What gets on my nerves is when they’re side-by-side racing a commercial and racing, it doesn’t matter if it’s a big track or a small track short track racing or mile and a half, they go ahead and finish off the two minutes of commercials why we’re watching the wreck and not hearing nothing I know commercial pay for what we get to see but they show Michael Waltrip running down before the race starts talking to the same people week after week. Get somebody new talk to Mikey you got your little buddies and that’s all you want to put on TV. Nobody else.
I’m 62 years old. My Dad built and raced his own cars. Built or help build cars for other competitors on Long Island in the mid to late 60,s. They put me in a milk crate and chained it to the back of Jim Hendrickson’s seat and he set fast time at Islip Speedway. I’ve watched hundreds of races. Been to even more. Daytona, Martinsville, Charlotte, Dover, taped hundreds of races. I stopped four years ago. I only watch highlights on RUclips. Don’t like how it became a crash fest. If they can’t get by you clean. They crash you. Terrible.
The Pride day at Talladega and Bubba Wallace thing has ended my interest in racing.
That’s fine, the sport can excel without rednecks like yourself watching
Boohoo on the Pride thing. If something like that has that much of an effect on you, you’re soft. And what Bubba Wallace thing? The noose? Not sure what else you’re referring to, and that needed to be investigated. Yes, it happened to be a coincidence, but happening literally a week after the Confederate flag ban, it needed looked into.
Kinda soft that pride day has you bothered that much. As for the noose situation, I don’t know what any of you think NASCAR could have done differently. It’s not like you can’t investigate that. It was way too big of a coincidence given the timing.
@@historybuff1483 I watch racing for the racing. I dont care who people sleep with or how anyone identifies.
@@colemanhigley747 you just literally said it ended your interest in racing, so obviously you do care. I watched that entire race and never even saw one thing Pride related, so like I said…soft.
"I'm not gonna sit here and say I have a degree in video production" - yeah, but you're the customer. And you're accurately saying what all of us customers felt. That broadcast was awful. Not the commentators or anything, just how they decide what to show, how they come back from commercial and it's a caution lap, they show a quick replay. I'd rather have silent commercials in the corner for the entire race than 3 minute breaks with 20 laps to go.
The real base problem with nascar all around is that they do not want to do any more than 10% of what the fans want. They will say they do but obviously they don't. The racing product is garbage. The fans asked for these disaster of 'racing' cars? I doubt it. We hear the old line of how the drivers need nascar, but nascar doesn't need them. Well nascar doesn't seem to realize they need the fans ($) or they have nothing. But we are put way off the priority list. And we keep taking it, so it goes on.
This isn't just a Nascar thing. Production quality has been downhill for every major motorsport; F1, Indy, Endurance, even MotoGP recently has noticeably declined. No one has coordination between the commentators and the camera direction. No one is using all the tools available. Picture in picture is a big one that is under used. F1 uses it like once every 3 races and there are always big overtake moments that get missed cause the camera direction is focused on something else and they choose not to use picture in picture at that time for some reason. The overdone and poorly timed ads seem to be a Nascar thing. I haven't seen anything that bad in the other motorsports.
Banning the rebal flag and Bubba killed nascar for me....
I have quit watching NASCAR live. I record it and then can fast forward through the millions of commercials or breaks or incessant chatter. It's amazing how fast you can watch a race that way.
Howdy from Down Under.
Mate you have freakishly just outlined the very same conversation my old man and I had after this wknds racing at Talladega. Down here we pay through the nose for fox sport then are subjected to more ad time than actual race minutes view between ad breaks.
I’m a full blown motorsports buff but honestly, the time is coming where I just can’t be bothered wasting my time been bombarded by crap advertising.
Don't watch live. Fast forward through commercials. Turn sound off. Rewind and turn sound on for the interesting parts.
I watched the race a few days later for free on RUclips with no ads.
This is a byproduct of what NASCAR is bringing to the track every weekend. You can't make Shinola out of Shit. Oh, and it was not 7 miles off the pace - these guys were running at half throttle 20 to 30 miles off of race speeds. The coverage might be bad with too many commercials, but even these guys could not make what was going on the track look good - might as well cut away to commercials...
They came back for under 30 seconds at one point only to return to commercials. MY GOD!
Are the cars themselves not NON-STOP COMMERCIALS?!
I understand that it costs around $18m to run Cup for a season but DAYUM, guys!
I don’t watch nascar anymore, I can see all the tv coverage in 10 min of highlights…no commercials
It’s not just that they show so
many commercials, they show the same commercials over and over and over and….. Agggghhhhh!!!!!
I have less of an issue with the coverage as with the racing product itself. The final laps were mostly gridlocked without any moves being made until about 2 to go. People just sitting tight in p20 not even trying to make something happen because there is nowhere to go. That is not racing.
Here is what I do. I watch Fox or NBC on mute while listening to the steaming from MRN or PRN while in camera with a few drivers. The streaming service is two laps ahead of what I see on the television! I don't miss anything. Can't stand Harvick or Boyer!
When drivers start punching each other, I stop watching... embarrassing.
I look back to the glory days of broadcasting. You guys are not old enough to have seen it. It was in the early techno era, before the internet, social media and reality tv. The first satellite dishheses were large and received an analog sygnal. The beauty of these was that the viewer had access to the wild or raw feed of a broadcast. This meant no commercials. During the commercial, you would still be watching the race and listening to whatever the announcers were talking about. These existed even after the channels were scrambled. I would love to go back to 1990 again.
NASCAR is the example I use when talking about someone’s business going under. “What you doing trying to NASCAR your business “. Messed with so much they messed it up
I've been a NASCAR fan since the 70s, but was a casual fan until the late 80s. Up till then, I'd spend Sundays mostly watching NFL football. Then, during the many, many commercials on NFL broadcasts, I started turning to the NASCAR races and got more into the racing to the point where I wouldn't turn back to the NFL game, and NASCAR replaced the NFL to where I didn't watch football anymore but watched NASCAR on Sundays. I've never really gone back to football.
The many and longer commercial interruptions during NFL games drove me away from football and have driven me away from NASCAR. I never watch a NASCAR race live anymore. Never. I record it on the DVR and skip through the commercials. I don't even bother to watch anything but the last "stage" because, why should I? It's as if in a baseball game you watched the first 6 innings and then went back to a 0-0 score at the end of the 6th inning to see who scored the most in the last 3 innings and what happened in the first 6 didn't count. Why would you watch them? That's NASCAR. A lot of times nowadays I don't even bother to watch the race at all but just watch the 15 minute highlights somebody posts on RUclips. Who knows how much longer I'll even bother to do that. NASCAR is a dying sport.
What I hate is how they leave their scoring Telemetry on just the top 20, I pull for Penske so their cars are usually not that low, but it is interesting to see where everybody else is running, but they only show past the top 20 maybe every 15 minutes, it's ridiculous
You are 1000% correct NASCAR has turned to NASCRAP
Stuff like this is becoming an issue in indycar as well. The race in St. Petersburg this year they were 2 laps into the race so all the cars are still packed up and making moves and then they start interviewing John Bon Jovi with the camera on him and not the race. Then they also have non-stop commercials which takes so much away from the enjoyment and then when there’s a caution they’ll have one commercial and then none the whole 10-15 they’re under caution then they’ll start racing again and they’ll go two laps and go to commercial. Plus same thing with the drivers they only cover the front runners and the most popular drivers
The commentators not being at the track live is probably one of the worst ideas for quality of broadcast that they've ever had. Being at the facility allows for so much interaction with the event that nobody sees on camera but lets the announcers see whats happening thats not being shown and also they can talk with people at the track and have run ins with people that lead to stories being formed to share with the viewers. Also if you only have a video feed to watch so much will be missed or take forever to recognise because you have to switch between camera views and watch replays before you know what happened to comment on it.
"Richard Petty laps to go!"
Yeah...
I caught that too. Then to a commercial.
I know!
A NASCAR fan since the mid 70's. (Ernie Irvan) (Tony Stewart) Them boys were racers. Don't tell me about fuel milage or tire management. Just go to the front driver! The only way to watch this horrible product now is to tape it, so I can zoom thru all the commercials and just watch any action that actually happens. This season I won't be able to see every race because I don't subscribe to TV channels.
For the first time I complained about how many ads there were. Lucky for me I was also able to see that Corey was indeed upside down
Well said. And last week the number of times they referenced the number "33" was outrageous, considering its a secret organization.
The only thing about F1 is when was the last time you seen a close finish, and never see photo finish. There has been three in NASCAR this year
Did anyone else notice that they cut away from the two restarts when Hamlin was in control, last week at Dover? We didn't get to see the restart zone at all and this is just after Hamlin got a free pass for jumping the restart in a previous race.
This is why I quit watching the whole race and now just watch the highlights on RUclips … Also, if a race is rained out, you never get to see it … Thanks for sharing, I thought that I was the only one that had had enough ….
That sure is all that is needed for the' non racing' restrictor races.
One of the things that got me was the announcers, I believe Bowyer but could have been any of the 3, messing up the drivers. I understand the cars either looked alike, SHR, or primary sponsor on a different car, Blaney and Cindric. I just remember more than once talking about where Blaney was or how he was running and it was Cindric, so I then was trying to figure out where Blaney was. That problem is more on teams I get it but after once or twice I would think the announcers would be more aware.
Thank you for bringing this topic to every ones attention.Nascar on Fox is really bad.Fans who can not go to races deserve better coverage.
Nascar on FOX: 40 restarts brought to you by Geico, 20 commercial breaks, 5 minutes of onboard action, race over. Total time: 3.5 hours.
NASCAR lost me a long time ago. Once they made all the teams conform to the same body template, I was done. It seems they've gone downhill significantly since then.
Today's NASCAR TV production crew(s) NBC & Fox) could REALLY take a lesson by watching the old & wildly popular ESPN coverage from the mid 80's till their final season of 2000. The difference between production then versus now ? In a couple of words it's PAN OUT. Camera crew, i don't need to see every decal on the lead car, rather than lets see a "whole track view" to get perspective of more cars.
Hell, just watch the current (non-NBC) IMSA coverage.
Good critique, did feel watching live that they had 3 total hard cameras a drone and a blimp shot.🤣
I stopped watching NASCAR in 2001. Earnhardt was killed and almost all of the 70's & 80's drivers were retiring. I watch the races on RUclips from the 50's & 60's when they ran hemis, 429s, 389s, etc. They didn't even change tires at Daytona. Want a real thrill of NASCAR racing? Watch Pearson, Petty and Fireball tear it up.
I thought they were gonna just go off air without telling us who actually flipped. It took me a good 10 minutes to be able to see clearly it was Lajoie
Exactly why I gave up even trying to watch a race for the past decade. Sick and damn tired of hearing about the same 5 drivers every week and all the commercials. It isn't just FOX it's NASCAR.
NASCAR's new production facility is actually the old IMSA facility, just renamed as IMSA got a bigger one this year, and they've been doing broadcasts in house for the entire existence since Panoz bought IMSA in 99'
There were times when we just got back from a commercial and 30 seconds later we were back on a commercial. Fox seems to think that side-by-side is the same as watching the race. IT IS NOT.
The CEOs need to be paid. The same problem that ruined boeing exists at almost every public company. Board members and execs get paid tons of free stock until they secure their board seats with personal stock. Then they act like a small owner group and make decisions that benefit them, not actual investors. This is why every product is being cheapened and worker pay is dropping. They cannot improve customer numbers, but they can cut corners and underpay workers to boost profits, so that is what they do.
The commercials are ridiculous anymore. NBC used to be the worst, but FOX said “hold my beer!” You can watch a F1 race from the other side of the globe commercial free from start to finish. Idk why nascar can’t, reduce the commercials by half at least.
This always happens a lot just like what happened to the Disney land race in 1996 indycar debut where 3 out of 4 cautions came during commercial breaks
I thought I was crazy about the ads. In fact, I cut out some clips from my reaction to this weekend's race since I thought people were gonna say I'm crazy. My parents think I'm crazy though but I'm not. It's just turning into more bs. They should do side by sides and then when the stage breaks occur or when a caution does, GO TO AN AD BREAK! I watched the race since lap 52 and it's just stupid now.
SKY sports coverage of F1 races has moved half of their reporters to a remote studio and it SUCKS! I watch it because I need my 'fix'. I used to watch NASCAR religiously, but now I just record and fast forward through the race. I turn FF off when I see a caution and at 10 laps to go. My time is more important than watching the entire race.