Only in NASCAR does better performance and grip translate into "bad racing", maybe these regulations would be better if the teams were actually allowed to build their own cars
Nope in most big racing series this has been the case. F1 had become extremely fast by like 2020 but the racing wasn't competitive. MotoGP has become the fastest it has ever been but the racing has become worse because overtaking has become much more difficult and the bikes have become to wide WRC: the Rally1 class has failed completely and will be changed
@@eggselent9814spot on! I think people who keep complaining in NASCAR should look at the other racing series as well. We know that playoffs shouldn’t belong there but at least the races except short tracks and some road courses has been entertaining. You can tell with the increases of attendance and TV ratings.
Toyota will never allow it. They wanted more downforce because then they could have less HP and blow less engines, and they bitched and moaned to NASCAR to get their way.
The Gen-6 Car is 1000 Times Better With The 2014 Package, And WAY Safer, RATHER, Than The Next-Gen Cars, Except For The Quartier Panels With Less Sideforce Along With The Rounded Rear Bumper.
Thats why SVG is in the states because the next gen car in Australia is terrible & thats why he is pretty good on road courses in them in the states because he had 2-3 years helping in the feedback of the development but to no avail.
What I have seen of the next gen car and what I have heard I do not like it. It feels more like it was designed to copy other racing spots to try and bring them in and NASCAR has always been a stand out for the style it had
Grooved tires is not even really necessary, just add horsepower and more importantly give the cars more tire falloff. probably the number one thing that could help the most is tire falloff, just look at bristol
Sadly, the situation with NASCAR isn't an isolated problem. I have been a lifelong fan of Australian motorsport, with Supercars adopting a new control vehicle philosophy last year. Supercars (or V8 Supercars as it used to be known), offered amazing racing in its original form, but it has become processional. The series organisers are slow to address significant parity issues between manufacturers and will muzzle drivers who are critical of the new cars. I missed the Bathurst 1000 last year for the first time since 1972, and from what I've seen of the post-race reports, I didn't miss much! NASCAR needs to take action before fans vote with their feet by not attending races. They have been warned, but it remains to be seen if they will listen. If the Australian scene is an accurate guide, it is doubtful.
I feel like I've given enough time for the next gen car, and I just become more and more convinced it's wrong. In every way possible it's wrong for Nascar. You outlined so many points that I completely agree with. The ONLY way to fix the cup series product is to readapt the COT chassis that the Xfinity series is currently using, with higher HP, maybe longer wheel base and run that. 20+ years ago the monte carlo that ran in the cup series looked the same physically as the then Busch series. Same for Ford and Dodge and later Toyota. The next gen car is a complete failure, Nascar needs to just suck it up and throw in the towel. It's okay! It was a nice try, it looked bad ass at Le Mans, take a step back and learn. If you put all the current cup drivers in all Xfinity series cars, the racing would be fantastic.
As a younger fan I hated the looks of the Gen 6 cars and I love the looks of the Gen 7 so much. It’s sleek and mean looking, but I won’t deny that the racing quality has gradually been on a downturn since 2023. I think the single lug wheel, lower greenhouse, more aggressive lines, and shorter decklid make for a clean race car. It’s simple to fix the car and make for better racing
It has gotten too expensive for the teams to build the cars which transfers to the price of the tickets. A NASCAR race is equivalent to going to Disneyland now.
@@king1dmt weird....we have been paying around the same price point for years now. around $60 for lower section seating at Kansas. We will be at the start finish line row 8 for $68 per ticket. Maybe its certain tracks/regions. Kansas is still reasonable IMO.
Discovered and came to love NASCAR in 1989. I can’t get interested in what it has become. I was impressed and became a fan of Gordon’s in his rookie season.
I agree about the gen 7 car but I will say for me personally I like the intermediate tracks the most because it is more about individual skill and strategy to win those. I feel like the super speedways get kind of random and I wish the short track package was way better lol.
This car could have been really good if it had a traditional stock car suspension, a solid rear end gear and the old 4 speed H pattern, no diffuser and undertray, and the old brakes and the old tires and of course 750 horsepower...at least 750, needs to be 800 or 900+
Gen 1-5 were true peaks of NASCAR Cup cars. Yes I know the COT was divisive, but at least they were fast and got better each year. Gen 6 had potential from 2013-2014, then failed in 2015 (besides Kentucky and Darlington), it got good in 2016, 2017 was solid, 2018 became good the 2nd half of the season, and the nail in the coffin was 2019-2021 for me. Gen 7, holy cow… I’ve been saying it’s a bipolar car….
What I will say about this is that people bitched about the COT, then bitched about Gen 6, and now bitch about the NextGen. Frankly, I would not be surprised if people bitched about Gen 4 at some point in its lifetime. Whenever the Gen 8 arrives, in whatever shape and with whatever flaws it has, I 100% expect a hefty chunk of the fanbase to backtrack and say the NextGen was a fantastic car and that Gen 8 is a failure.
Absolutely. Hopefully we get enough data on this car over time to really show them what fixes are needed. They had the COT racing pretty good by the end of its lifespan.
@@jakobbuckles4472denny hamlin said the competition today is harder than back when he started. These are real drivers in a real car. I’ve enjoyed the next gen car tbh
The death of NASCAR to me was the original "Car of Tomorrow" (CoT) in 2007. Between the "import tuner" looming front splitter and rear areo wing, it started the boring race era. Add the 1.5 mile "cookie cutter" tracks, the new points and the playoffs, and it was becoming unwatchable. Watching iconic drivers retiring didn't help either, as being a fan since around 1980, the sport did not evolve kindly.
That car was still miles better than this crappy ass next gen...and it actually had full horsepower and was hard to drive and you actually had to lift out of the throttle a ton to make the corners, I'd take the 2011 debugged COT over this next gen shit any day. I HATE HATE HATE these new cars! They ruined all the good tracks and made the bad tracks slightly less awful.
The next gen cars could totally work in a road racing series with more horsepower, more downforce and lighter cars with a carbon fiber chassis, basically a field of garage 56 cars only racing at road courses and street circuits, but for ovals with stock cars, less performance usually means better racing, its completely backwards of what you would normally want, but stock car racing isnt like open wheel or sportscar racing, but even the gen 6 cars had a horrible problem with dirty air, does anyone remember the 550 HP package from 2019? The intermediate racing is far better now
These cars do provide a good opportunity to nap when watching TV. You know there is a real problem when they gotta make a sticker to indicate where the exhaust pipe would have been on a real car.
It's a heavy GT car on the road courses that doesn't have any aero performance benefits of a asymmetrical body for the ovals.... They got the worst of both worlds. The HP is too low for as heavy as these cars are.
The HP is low because Toyota wants it to be low. They’re too lazy and cheap to develop reliable high-horsepower, naturally-aspirated V8 engines they way they can develop turbocharged V6 engines for IMSA and WEC, so they bitched and moaned to NASCAR to change the rules in their favor, Chevy and Ford be damned. They got half of their wish. Now they just need drivers who aren’t a bunch of disasters who wreck during green flag pitstops at Talladega or start crap with Kyle Larson.
The problem is that the cars are actually slower compared to the GT3 cars they were often compared to. iRacing built an entire campaign of lies in order to convince people that this was a good car when in reality it wasn't. It also exposes how iRacing is so disconnected from reality.
@@ericdawalga8019 do I need to explain the Xfinity car exist in that car from I've seen is a lot better than the next gen all of the issues the next gen car has needs to be handled now rather than later
That’s just exaggeration. The Gen6 really was and drivers and fans were complaining about the poor performance in racing and handling, notably Denny’s complaint in 2013, which he got fined by Brian France
Thank you for having the balls to say out loud what the 'comments' sections have been saying pretty much everywhere: these generic kitcars suck. NASCAR has screwed the pooch in nearly every way. Xfinity is the best racing of the major divisions now.
I'm dropping my two cents abiyt the HP, which I don't understand why is so low. There are road cars that have 600 hp, even by common manufacturers. 800 hp is pretty much enough and this would neither be that expensive, nor would it be that much of a high jump. But it will provide at least crazier racing.
Here's an eye opening challenge. Put together or try to do that of a current NASCAR. Very complex process. It will give you insight into what the car is not..simple. Put treads on the slicks, bring back the 4 speed trans and up the HP along with a solid rear axle. Then race. Betcha the passing and on the edge driving will return...for the better.
iRacing built a marketing campaign of lies around the Gen 7 car. The Gen 7 car you see in the game is not the same as the real life version since Austin Ogonoski has exposed the fact that the Gen 7 car in iRacing is extremely inaccurate and is a sign of disconnect between the devs and the sanctioning body.
NASCAR used to be my favorite. Now a days it's my backups backup on race weekend. The ding a lings that run this sport don't know what they're doing and keep throwing shit at the wall. I mean for God's sake they didn't even know what their own rules were involving wet weather tires.
Ok so I know a lot of people haven't brought this up but as much as we love to hate on the Gen 7 car, we might have to look at a certain elephant in the room who had "involvement" in the development. Yes, I'm talking about iRacing. Turns out they spent a whole year building a marketing campaign of lies surrounding the Gen 7 car. Turns out at a few tracks, these cars actually have faster lap times than GT3 cars in iRacing. Austin Ogonoski exposed this a few years ago and it somewhat went under the radar. Honestly, how on earth do we expect to trust a game studio like iRacing with any kind of motorsport when they're going to screw it up? They did it with every car they touched and it was all under our noses. If this is what we are going to expect for NASCAR 25, then I'm predicting that the reception ain't going to be good.
Finally someone who said the same thing I've been harping the past few years about NASCAR doing what tv networks and sponsors want rather than what they want. That's why Bill France Sr and Bill Jr were so loved because they said F all y'all, we're going to do things how we want, we don't care about what you want
I want to remove downforce and add horsepower and tire falloff as much as anybody but you can't deny that the nextgen car has brought more viewers to the sport. I'm really looking forward to the "option" tires at north wilkesboro
Yup. I really wanted this car to be good, but the more races I watch, the problems become more obvious. It doesn't produce that much turbulence to the sides, so any track with more than one groove (Charlotte, Kansas, Homestead, Vegas) is really good, but it produces way more turbulence at the rear of the car, so pretty much every narrow/flat/single groove track has become worse (so every track a mile or shorter, all road courses, Pocono and, as no doubt we'll see this year, Indianapolis). That's way over half the schedule. The worst part is there are ways to improve this, but Nascar has repeteadly refused to do so. Not to mention the awful safetly issues that lead to Kurt Busch's career ending injury, issues the drivers expressed concerns about multiple times to no avail. Nascar has been looking for a good racing package for so long now, and the Xfinity car is right there!
@@PaperBanjo64 unfortunately they have their own flaws. When they gone to New Hampshire back in 2018 and 2019, the cars weren't really that suited to longer ovals and instead were suited to the shorter ovals and road courses. Couple that with the fact that Canadian NASCAR fans keep getting screwed over by TSN on a regular basis.
You mentioned how the manuacturers are not wanting to up the horsepower. I ask why? Look back to 2011-2016. Great racing. This is NASCAR, not the National Sewing League. These execs need to get their heads out of their asses.
They don’t want to up the horsepower because then the engines would fail more, and that won’t sell cars on Monday. Toyota is ESPECIALLY guilty of haranguing NASCAR to lower the HP and heap tons of downforce on the cars.
I genuinely wonder how much of the “you can’t pass!” is a placebo effect. I need someone to crunch the numbers on passing and lead changes in previous nascar generations vs now.
@@drumnbasssakuga93522010 and 2011 were the high water marks in terms of lead changes. Tandem drafting may have skewed those numbers higher though. If we remove Daytona and Talladega from the equation, 1982 would be the record holder. Which seems shocking for a year where two drivers won 2/3rds of the races, but there you go. One stat about the nextgen that does stand out is that we had the largest number of races with single-digit lead changes since 1980.
The next gen car is a disaster for the sport. Independent suspension in the rear does not belong on a cup car. IT WONT SLIDE!!! IF it starts to break loose it goes around immediately. There is no finesse that a good driver could bring out. All we have is follow the leader
I finally got to go to a race in 2021 at the Bristol night race, all night long Kyle Larson was power sliding the corners slide jobbing lapped cars moving from top to bottom and back...THAT was REAL RACING!
yeah I thought I was the only one who thought Gen 7 Nascar was a downgrade. honest thought Gen 8 will be much worse considering the trend nascar is going as well as chevy not having any non-suv/truck except a mid engined supercar
Gen 8 will either be a new body kit on Gen 7 chassis or maybe NASCAR will see the light and Gen 8 will be a debugged Gen 6...there was nothing wrong with Gen 6 until they kept changing spoiler heights and horsepower numbers every other year.
Touring cars in other series are literally stock cars under a different name, even V8 Supercars used to use solid rear axles like NASCAR, y’all really dont know anything about
As someone who’s grown up watching f1 (being a european), I’ve started watching nascar in 2023, and let me tell you, you haven’t seen boring races before if you think this is bad 😂. At the same time I get your point, I can’t imagine what it could have been back in the day then..
So, I was a bit of a NASCAR fan back in the early 2000's. My brother and I would routinely go to the races at Fontana and watch all the big events on TV together. I completely lost interest with all of the gimmicks and BS like the "playoffs" the "chase" "stages" and all this other artificial stuff which just diluted the racing. My main racing loves now are Formula 1 and MotoGP. However, I've started to try to get back into NASCAR and I actually like the new cars. They look great, having the ground effects is interesting, but its a complete joke that they derated the engines so much. I agree that they need to put groves in the tires and up the power. Those are pretty simple fixes. Watching a race though, I literally have no idea how anything works. Its so counterintuitive. The stages are terrible, I don't understand why the restart order is different from the finishing order of the stage. Then I watch the racing and I'm just not interested enough to justify trying to figure it out. Also, the sponsors changing mid season and the cars total design and colors changing race to race is terrible for casual fans.
The car looks great but it does have issues. Hopefully NASCAR fixes the Next Gen car, but it's not likely because they don't like to admit when they're wrong
Honestly just get rid of the TransAxle, Diffuser, Independent Rear Suspension, Toe Link, and Sequential Gearbox. Go back to What worked, but keep the Symmetrical Body, And Hood Vents, Raise the Splitter Run an Unrestricted 650 - 800 HP Engine, Front Air Ducts, and Run a 5 Speed H Pattern Shifter these Gen 7 Cars are Australian Supercars, but Much Worse on Road Courses and Short Tracks.
$400k plus before they drop an engine in it. How much does the National Association "SPORT" Car Automobile Racing get off of these cars. The team can't even paint their own chassis. They have to that done by the third party that build them. If I wanted to watch Trans-am road race I would go to a Trans-am race. I turn the TV on only to see how many Fans Are NOT in the stand. Notice how they have painted the seats different colors, so it makes it harder to see how empty the stands are. GO BACK TO STOCK CAR RACING OR I HOPE THEY GO BROKE!!!
The race teams aren't happy with NASCAR, I hope some of the big teams split and start their own series with SMI and independent tracks and they can go back to real race cars and not this Trans-AM GT shit
I don’t buy potential manufacturers wanting less horsepower. F1 has 1000 hp and they are having to turn down manufacturers. I just think the people in the NASCAR corporate office are fools.
Same, and IndyCar in 2 weeks is debuting a new engine with more horsepower, NASCAR is just a back asswards series that only succeeded because of the racing itself and the drivers, not because of the sanctioning body, more like it succeeded inspite of the doofuses running it!
Hear me out, 1 race with the cup drivers in the xfinity cars with 900hp That would literally fix racing overnight. But Nascar doesn't want to have that conversation..
@@PaperBanjo64 I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason they stopped pushing dirt Bristol was because it proves you can easily remove the undertray from the Cup chassis.
The problem isn't the car design, it's the lack of testing/practice. Both started about the same time.The COT was just as bad/worse. The teams survived the COT because they were testing 4 days a week.
Personally, call a race car who give us 19 different winners in his first year "failiure" is a complete over-reaction. Its the fresh air breath that nascar needs, but the next gen car needs a lot of work.
Finally someone said that everybody acts like every nascar before the nation with some gift to God to nascar When in reality they all had their problems
Not only does the car produce boring races, it's also horribly unsafe. We've had more injuries in 2.25 seasons compared to 15 seasons with the COT and the Gen 6. It needs to go, like, NOW.
I feel like a better version of a stock car GT hybrid are the Trans Am TA and TA2 cars. Like a stock car purpose built for road course racing. Problem is Trans Am doesn’t have the viewership that NASCAR and IMSA does.
NASCAR really should've kept the Gen 6 and took as many 1.5s off as possible, just reduce them all to single dates...North Wilkesboro would be great with Gen 6 and fans would be begging for a points race there...more short tracks, unique ovals, and about 6 road courses would be perfect...Gen 6 was a perfectly good race car, it was also safer...Kurt Busch had to retire because of Gen 7 taking such hard hits, had that crash happened in a Gen 6 he'd been fine...as bad as stages, green-white-checkers, and playoffs are, Gen 7 is the WORST thing NASCAR ever came up with...at least with Gen 6 the fundamental cars were still traditional "stock cars" and not some crappy ass sports car! Also a bad Gen 6 race was almost never as bad as a bad Gen 7 race.
Just like college football nascar is leaving it’s traditions and simping for tv and marketing gimmicks 🙄.totally going away from on what makes them unique trying to be something there not.
It is closer to a 24hr of daytona gt car than any stock car. I cant believe a actual stock car series hasnt stepped up. Where guys can go buy a new z28 put a cage in it and they talk shit and fight. It would take over in a couple years
I feel like no matter what happens in NASCAR people are always going to complain about it whether it was back in the 70s the 80s the early 90s here we are with the next GEN cup car and people are still complaining
I didn't hear this in the video so it's something I wanted to bring up as well: this car is LESS SAFE. For an organization that prides itself on safety, Kurt Busch is now retired. Why? Because of this car. We're lucky Ryan Preece is still alive and not retired. This car is completely giving a ton of shock to the drivers when the wrecks happen....and face it, Nascar wants the wrecks. But it's not safe in these pieces of crap. I'd address that before any sort of horsepower increases or less traction. You start adding those two things in, people will be wrecking more. And if you get more wrecks, people WILL absolutely get hurt more in these particular cars. Bank on it.
I think the best thing for NASCAR would be premier league style promotion and relegation where the drivers with the 3 worst points totals lose their spot to drivers in the next league down
That would mean that being a championship contender in Xfinity would get you a ride at Rick Ware Racing, where you'll almost certainly get shuffled out quickly.
As soon as they rolled out this "toe- arm" oval track racing abomination, it's been exactly the oval track farce anyone outside the NASCAR exec sorority house knew it would be. As a 35 year fan, I always watch Xfinity and CUP, but clearly, We need to get CUP back onto Xfinity chassis and bodies to return to the muscle car like driving dynamics that have defined NASCAR stock cars and racing style through it's most successful decades. Lower D.F and more sidewall, less width, and more suspension travel.
The way I see it, say that they should consolidate the truck series and run the pickup trucks in the cup series going forward. No more restrictor plates and add more horsepower. The reality is that the only legit car worth racing is the Ford Mustang. Especially with Chevy ending production of the Camaro. Toyota still has a strong seller in the Camry, but it’s front wheel drive/4 cylinder. A NASCAR racing vehicle should be rear wheel drive-based, and the sad reality is that only the Mustang fills that bill as a car. Pickup trucks are where it’s at and more than 90% are rear wheel drive. And Ford and Chevy still offer a V8 as a half-ton option. My point is that pickups from the truck series would better serve the cup series and further incentivize NASCAR’s “win on Sunday sell on Monday” tradition. Because there will always be a demand for pickup trucks in the USA.
$150k, make it happen if you die and its because you drove a 2000hp powerwheel your team is banned. If you crush another car with a Vietnam era tank then youre banned. 150k. Including the car sold to the public, so it has to pass highway safety tests. Then your remaining money is mods. Standardize safety: yes, standardized everything but loopholes: no. Its basically real life hot wheels at this point but only left turns. Let the body, skill, and efficiency do the work. You have 150k to buy a stock car(wait what) and make it safe, then free reign. That's inspiration to manufacturers to get things done.
@@antoniestrada1972 Toyota Racing President, David Wilson, is saying that Toyota is open to raising the horsepower of NASCAR's Next Gen car to improve the car's racing ability on short tracks - ovals that are less than 1 mile long - and road courses.
They ruined what was the best part. The individual manufacturers battling for who made the best cars. I checked out back when they unified the cars
Well you must’ve not been a fan for a very very very long😊 time then
The last time manufactured battled For who made The better car was in the 60s my guy
@@antoniestrada1972until 91 when they still used “production” shells, decklids and nosecones
@@Cuhh346 A modern day GT3 car is more stock than the stock cars in the 90s
@@antoniestrada1972 always has been 🔫
Only in NASCAR does better performance and grip translate into "bad racing", maybe these regulations would be better if the teams were actually allowed to build their own cars
Nope in most big racing series this has been the case. F1 had become extremely fast by like 2020 but the racing wasn't competitive.
MotoGP has become the fastest it has ever been but the racing has become worse because overtaking has become much more difficult and the bikes have become to wide
WRC: the Rally1 class has failed completely and will be changed
@@eggselent9814spot on! I think people who keep complaining in NASCAR should look at the other racing series as well. We know that playoffs shouldn’t belong there but at least the races except short tracks and some road courses has been entertaining. You can tell with the increases of attendance and TV ratings.
i want nascar to remove downforce like they had in the gen 4s
Toyota will never allow it. They wanted more downforce because then they could have less HP and blow less engines, and they bitched and moaned to NASCAR to get their way.
@@WyldStallion-bs9oo no
@@WyldStallion-bs9oo Better idea: Trans-Am TA2 cars (the Toyota teams can run Dodge Challengers).
They have less downforce than the Gen 4 cars. Denny Hamiln specifically has mentioned that.
@@Trainlover1995how about leaving Trans-Am alone?
I've been bitter about the car change since the drivers were talking about taking really hard hits in a crash. This car is hot garbage.🗑️
The car is in hot garbage it's just the way that nascar implements it
So you were ignoring about the positive notes which most drivers said?
The Gen-6 Car is 1000 Times Better With The 2014 Package, And WAY Safer, RATHER, Than The Next-Gen Cars, Except For The Quartier Panels With Less Sideforce Along With The Rounded Rear Bumper.
2014 season was so underrated
@@jamex98Agreed, 100%.
The charter system is failing too imo
So too is the playoffs, stage racing, Arca, etc…
Yep 💯👍
Thats why SVG is in the states because the next gen car in Australia is terrible & thats why he is pretty good on road courses in them in the states because he had 2-3 years helping in the feedback of the development but to no avail.
What I have seen of the next gen car and what I have heard I do not like it. It feels more like it was designed to copy other racing spots to try and bring them in and NASCAR has always been a stand out for the style it had
It's not just the car. Nascar itself is failing its fans and drivers around every corner.
Grooved tires is not even really necessary, just add horsepower and more importantly give the cars more tire falloff. probably the number one thing that could help the most is tire falloff, just look at bristol
Sadly, the situation with NASCAR isn't an isolated problem. I have been a lifelong fan of Australian motorsport, with Supercars adopting a new control vehicle philosophy last year. Supercars (or V8 Supercars as it used to be known), offered amazing racing in its original form, but it has become processional. The series organisers are slow to address significant parity issues between manufacturers and will muzzle drivers who are critical of the new cars. I missed the Bathurst 1000 last year for the first time since 1972, and from what I've seen of the post-race reports, I didn't miss much! NASCAR needs to take action before fans vote with their feet by not attending races. They have been warned, but it remains to be seen if they will listen. If the Australian scene is an accurate guide, it is doubtful.
I feel like I've given enough time for the next gen car, and I just become more and more convinced it's wrong. In every way possible it's wrong for Nascar. You outlined so many points that I completely agree with. The ONLY way to fix the cup series product is to readapt the COT chassis that the Xfinity series is currently using, with higher HP, maybe longer wheel base and run that. 20+ years ago the monte carlo that ran in the cup series looked the same physically as the then Busch series. Same for Ford and Dodge and later Toyota. The next gen car is a complete failure, Nascar needs to just suck it up and throw in the towel. It's okay! It was a nice try, it looked bad ass at Le Mans, take a step back and learn. If you put all the current cup drivers in all Xfinity series cars, the racing would be fantastic.
Just race Xfinity cars with 750 horsepower, simple as that!
As a younger fan I hated the looks of the Gen 6 cars and I love the looks of the Gen 7 so much. It’s sleek and mean looking, but I won’t deny that the racing quality has gradually been on a downturn since 2023. I think the single lug wheel, lower greenhouse, more aggressive lines, and shorter decklid make for a clean race car. It’s simple to fix the car and make for better racing
It has gotten too expensive for the teams to build the cars which transfers to the price of the tickets. A NASCAR race is equivalent to going to Disneyland now.
Trying to go to Darlington next Sunday will run me about $200 just for tickets 🤦🏽♂️
@@king1dmt weird....we have been paying around the same price point for years now. around $60 for lower section seating at Kansas. We will be at the start finish line row 8 for $68 per ticket. Maybe its certain tracks/regions. Kansas is still reasonable IMO.
@@king1dmtI just looked at SeatGeek, they’re looking like $60 a ticket
Last time I checked Michigan was like $35 for the worst seats in the track
Discovered and came to love NASCAR in 1989. I can’t get interested in what it has become. I was impressed and became a fan of Gordon’s in his rookie season.
I agree about the gen 7 car but I will say for me personally I like the intermediate tracks the most because it is more about individual skill and strategy to win those. I feel like the super speedways get kind of random and I wish the short track package was way better lol.
This car could have been really good if it had a traditional stock car suspension, a solid rear end gear and the old 4 speed H pattern, no diffuser and undertray, and the old brakes and the old tires and of course 750 horsepower...at least 750, needs to be 800 or 900+
Don't add treads or groves. Keep them slick and narrow them, something Chad Knaus advocated a decade or more ago.
Gen 1-5 were true peaks of NASCAR Cup cars. Yes I know the COT was divisive, but at least they were fast and got better each year.
Gen 6 had potential from 2013-2014, then failed in 2015 (besides Kentucky and Darlington), it got good in 2016, 2017 was solid, 2018 became good the 2nd half of the season, and the nail in the coffin was 2019-2021 for me.
Gen 7, holy cow… I’ve been saying it’s a bipolar car….
What I will say about this is that people bitched about the COT, then bitched about Gen 6, and now bitch about the NextGen. Frankly, I would not be surprised if people bitched about Gen 4 at some point in its lifetime.
Whenever the Gen 8 arrives, in whatever shape and with whatever flaws it has, I 100% expect a hefty chunk of the fanbase to backtrack and say the NextGen was a fantastic car and that Gen 8 is a failure.
Absolutely. Hopefully we get enough data on this car over time to really show them what fixes are needed. They had the COT racing pretty good by the end of its lifespan.
Gen 8 will be SUVs.
Yes, because the quality of racing has just declined since the departure of Gen 4. Each generation it has slowly gotten worse
@@jakobbuckles4472denny hamlin said the competition today is harder than back when he started. These are real drivers in a real car. I’ve enjoyed the next gen car tbh
People absolutely hated the COT when it came out.
The death of NASCAR to me was the original "Car of Tomorrow" (CoT) in 2007. Between the "import tuner" looming front splitter and rear areo wing, it started the boring race era. Add the 1.5 mile "cookie cutter" tracks, the new points and the playoffs, and it was becoming unwatchable. Watching iconic drivers retiring didn't help either, as being a fan since around 1980, the sport did not evolve kindly.
That car was still miles better than this crappy ass next gen...and it actually had full horsepower and was hard to drive and you actually had to lift out of the throttle a ton to make the corners, I'd take the 2011 debugged COT over this next gen shit any day. I HATE HATE HATE these new cars! They ruined all the good tracks and made the bad tracks slightly less awful.
God, please make this video viral. I have been forwarding my idea of axing the Next Gen Car
The next gen cars could totally work in a road racing series with more horsepower, more downforce and lighter cars with a carbon fiber chassis, basically a field of garage 56 cars only racing at road courses and street circuits, but for ovals with stock cars, less performance usually means better racing, its completely backwards of what you would normally want, but stock car racing isnt like open wheel or sportscar racing, but even the gen 6 cars had a horrible problem with dirty air, does anyone remember the 550 HP package from 2019? The intermediate racing is far better now
Unfortunately, they don't work in road courses at all. Also, go watch Trans Am if you want a road course only series.
Spec-car racing is for schmucks. Real motorsports fans appreciate the competition in the garage and on the drawing boards
These cars do provide a good opportunity to nap when watching TV. You know there is a real problem when they gotta make a sticker to indicate where the exhaust pipe would have been on a real car.
Yeah they're gonna have stickers of the tailpipes the same way they have stickers of the headlight And tail lights
It's a heavy GT car on the road courses that doesn't have any aero performance benefits of a asymmetrical body for the ovals.... They got the worst of both worlds. The HP is too low for as heavy as these cars are.
The HP is low because Toyota wants it to be low. They’re too lazy and cheap to develop reliable high-horsepower, naturally-aspirated V8 engines they way they can develop turbocharged V6 engines for IMSA and WEC, so they bitched and moaned to NASCAR to change the rules in their favor, Chevy and Ford be damned. They got half of their wish. Now they just need drivers who aren’t a bunch of disasters who wreck during green flag pitstops at Talladega or start crap with Kyle Larson.
The problem is that the cars are actually slower compared to the GT3 cars they were often compared to. iRacing built an entire campaign of lies in order to convince people that this was a good car when in reality it wasn't. It also exposes how iRacing is so disconnected from reality.
@@Trainlover1995Did you not watch the video it literally says Dan Wilson of Toyota is open to more horsepower
I keep looking for the single lug tires on a car I can buy off a showroom floor from chevy ford toyata etc etc..
The next gen car is a disaster
@@ericdawalga8019 do I need to explain the Xfinity car exist in that car from I've seen is a lot better than the next gen all of the issues the next gen car has needs to be handled now rather than later
Not really there has been some great races with the next gen
It really isnt
Typical youtube hyperbole. This is just for whiners who agree. Moving along
That’s just exaggeration. The Gen6 really was and drivers and fans were complaining about the poor performance in racing and handling, notably Denny’s complaint in 2013, which he got fined by Brian France
Thank you for having the balls to say out loud what the 'comments' sections have been saying pretty much everywhere: these generic kitcars suck. NASCAR has screwed the pooch in nearly every way. Xfinity is the best racing of the major divisions now.
The drivers hate these cars too.
You took the words right out of my mouth
I'm dropping my two cents abiyt the HP, which I don't understand why is so low. There are road cars that have 600 hp, even by common manufacturers. 800 hp is pretty much enough and this would neither be that expensive, nor would it be that much of a high jump. But it will provide at least crazier racing.
Bro this new car is a lot better than the car we just replaced. Some people will never be happy. The car races a ton better
Here's an eye opening challenge. Put together or try to do that of a current NASCAR. Very complex process. It will give you insight into what the car is not..simple. Put treads on the slicks, bring back the 4 speed trans and up the HP along with a solid rear axle. Then race. Betcha the passing and on the edge driving will return...for the better.
They should have made a series of NASCAR that is road circuit built, and kept the gen 6 for oval racing
As for the rear diff... how many cars these days have solid axles? Pretty much just trucks. I think the center lug is more of a slap than an IRS
The 7th gen isn't a Stock Car. They should just bring back the 2007 4th gen cars.
Do I need to remind you how much of a death trap the gen 4 was and not to mention how ugly It looks
ive been having a hard time keeping interest in the cup series because of these cars, ive been watching the xfinity series more than i ever have
Same
Just even on IRACING it's boring to drive. I prefer the 80s racing all day.
iRacing built a marketing campaign of lies around the Gen 7 car. The Gen 7 car you see in the game is not the same as the real life version since Austin Ogonoski has exposed the fact that the Gen 7 car in iRacing is extremely inaccurate and is a sign of disconnect between the devs and the sanctioning body.
NASCAR used to be my favorite. Now a days it's my backups backup on race weekend.
The ding a lings that run this sport don't know what they're doing and keep throwing shit at the wall.
I mean for God's sake they didn't even know what their own rules were involving wet weather tires.
We want more horsepower! More horsepower!
Gave up on corporate Nascar years ago Grassroots racing Is where it's at.
Hey man right on. Do not forget about those POS Goodyears.
Ok so I know a lot of people haven't brought this up but as much as we love to hate on the Gen 7 car, we might have to look at a certain elephant in the room who had "involvement" in the development. Yes, I'm talking about iRacing. Turns out they spent a whole year building a marketing campaign of lies surrounding the Gen 7 car. Turns out at a few tracks, these cars actually have faster lap times than GT3 cars in iRacing. Austin Ogonoski exposed this a few years ago and it somewhat went under the radar. Honestly, how on earth do we expect to trust a game studio like iRacing with any kind of motorsport when they're going to screw it up? They did it with every car they touched and it was all under our noses. If this is what we are going to expect for NASCAR 25, then I'm predicting that the reception ain't going to be good.
We Want The Old Cars Back like the Chevy Lumina or Monte Carlo
Finally someone who said the same thing I've been harping the past few years about NASCAR doing what tv networks and sponsors want rather than what they want. That's why Bill France Sr and Bill Jr were so loved because they said F all y'all, we're going to do things how we want, we don't care about what you want
No, the France family has always had that problematic “entertainment and drama first” mentality.
I like the improved intermediate racing. But they need to let teams build their own cars like they did before. And let them make their own bodies too.
The problem is that it has become too cost-prohibitive for the teams to build their own cars.
NASCAR doesn’t share enough money with the teams for this to be an option
I want to remove downforce and add horsepower and tire falloff as much as anybody but you can't deny that the nextgen car has brought more viewers to the sport. I'm really looking forward to the "option" tires at north wilkesboro
Why do the manufacturers even get into Nascar or racing if they don't have the passion or do what's best for the sport?
The problem Isn't manufacturers it's a sanctioning body
It’s a IMSA car not a stock car.
LMDh cars running on an oval is actually a tantalizing prospect to me.
Yup. I really wanted this car to be good, but the more races I watch, the problems become more obvious. It doesn't produce that much turbulence to the sides, so any track with more than one groove (Charlotte, Kansas, Homestead, Vegas) is really good, but it produces way more turbulence at the rear of the car, so pretty much every narrow/flat/single groove track has become worse (so every track a mile or shorter, all road courses, Pocono and, as no doubt we'll see this year, Indianapolis). That's way over half the schedule.
The worst part is there are ways to improve this, but Nascar has repeteadly refused to do so. Not to mention the awful safetly issues that lead to Kurt Busch's career ending injury, issues the drivers expressed concerns about multiple times to no avail.
Nascar has been looking for a good racing package for so long now, and the Xfinity car is right there!
Well said. We just need the xfinity car with a little more power
how about a new car modeled after the Canadian series car?
@@LOLRacing06now THAT I'd watch! Love the Pinty's Series cars. That's what NASCAR should have evolved into if they stuck with the old rules.
@@PaperBanjo64 unfortunately they have their own flaws. When they gone to New Hampshire back in 2018 and 2019, the cars weren't really that suited to longer ovals and instead were suited to the shorter ovals and road courses. Couple that with the fact that Canadian NASCAR fans keep getting screwed over by TSN on a regular basis.
@@LOLRacing06 Pinty's Series also had low car counts, and it costs more to race than what winning is worth.
Might be time to scrap the Gen 7 entirely and go back to the Gen 6 or COT
The Gen-6 Cars, But With The Rounded Rrear Bumper Along With The Side Quarterpanels With Less Sideforce From The Next-Gen Car.
Removing the car builder and the driver has not improved racing.
You mentioned how the manuacturers are not wanting to up the horsepower. I ask why? Look back to 2011-2016. Great racing. This is NASCAR, not the National Sewing League. These execs need to get their heads out of their asses.
They don’t want to up the horsepower because then the engines would fail more, and that won’t sell cars on Monday. Toyota is ESPECIALLY guilty of haranguing NASCAR to lower the HP and heap tons of downforce on the cars.
@@Trainlover1995 hate to break it to you but "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" is obsolete.
@@LOLRacing06I doubt many people are buying cars because of how Kyle Larson and Ryan Blaney raced on Sunday anymore.
Too many road course's. 🏁
Actually, the cars just suck.
I've heard this with every new generation of car. It'll be fine.
I genuinely wonder how much of the “you can’t pass!” is a placebo effect. I need someone to crunch the numbers on passing and lead changes in previous nascar generations vs now.
@@drumnbasssakuga93522010 and 2011 were the high water marks in terms of lead changes. Tandem drafting may have skewed those numbers higher though. If we remove Daytona and Talladega from the equation, 1982 would be the record holder. Which seems shocking for a year where two drivers won 2/3rds of the races, but there you go.
One stat about the nextgen that does stand out is that we had the largest number of races with single-digit lead changes since 1980.
The next gen car is a disaster for the sport. Independent suspension in the rear does not belong on a cup car. IT WONT SLIDE!!! IF it starts to break loose it goes around immediately. There is no finesse that a good driver could bring out. All we have is follow the leader
I finally got to go to a race in 2021 at the Bristol night race, all night long Kyle Larson was power sliding the corners slide jobbing lapped cars moving from top to bottom and back...THAT was REAL RACING!
yeah I thought I was the only one who thought Gen 7 Nascar was a downgrade. honest thought Gen 8 will be much worse considering the trend nascar is going as well as chevy not having any non-suv/truck except a mid engined supercar
Gen 8 will either be a new body kit on Gen 7 chassis or maybe NASCAR will see the light and Gen 8 will be a debugged Gen 6...there was nothing wrong with Gen 6 until they kept changing spoiler heights and horsepower numbers every other year.
It's worst than the car of tomorrow back around 2007 and 2008!
Hey at least the Next Gens look cool IMO
You can't take road racing cars and call them stock cars.
Trans Am TA and TA2: “Am I a joke to u?”
Sorry but that's an idiotic thing to say
Touring cars in other series are literally stock cars under a different name, even V8 Supercars used to use solid rear axles like NASCAR, y’all really dont know anything about
@@drumnbasssakuga9352 Negative
Yeah it ain't working out too well is it
As someone who’s grown up watching f1 (being a european), I’ve started watching nascar in 2023, and let me tell you, you haven’t seen boring races before if you think this is bad 😂. At the same time I get your point, I can’t imagine what it could have been back in the day then..
Car of Tomorrow 🚫
Next Gen 🚫
Well that's a good track record (pun intended)
It least one of the Stock Cars won't go flying into the catchfence like Kyle Larson, there's no way race fans won't go injured - not again.
So, I was a bit of a NASCAR fan back in the early 2000's. My brother and I would routinely go to the races at Fontana and watch all the big events on TV together. I completely lost interest with all of the gimmicks and BS like the "playoffs" the "chase" "stages" and all this other artificial stuff which just diluted the racing. My main racing loves now are Formula 1 and MotoGP. However, I've started to try to get back into NASCAR and I actually like the new cars. They look great, having the ground effects is interesting, but its a complete joke that they derated the engines so much. I agree that they need to put groves in the tires and up the power. Those are pretty simple fixes.
Watching a race though, I literally have no idea how anything works. Its so counterintuitive. The stages are terrible, I don't understand why the restart order is different from the finishing order of the stage. Then I watch the racing and I'm just not interested enough to justify trying to figure it out. Also, the sponsors changing mid season and the cars total design and colors changing race to race is terrible for casual fans.
F1 unfortuntately is guilty of the same issues.
The intermediate racing is great at least
I don’t know why NASCAR is trying to be something it’s not
capitalism. Always has been that way. Even when it first started.
I dont think its failing at all tbh nascar is growing, the racing is good, the cars look amazing.
the cars unfortunately don't perform well.
@@LOLRacing06Yeah the car doesn't perform well because the sanctioning Is stubborn
Hate the new cars, can't even look at them, it's like match box cars with crappie paint schemes!
The car looks great but it does have issues. Hopefully NASCAR fixes the Next Gen car, but it's not likely because they don't like to admit when they're wrong
Honestly just get rid of the TransAxle, Diffuser, Independent Rear Suspension, Toe Link, and Sequential Gearbox. Go back to What worked, but keep the Symmetrical Body, And Hood Vents, Raise the Splitter Run an Unrestricted 650 - 800 HP Engine, Front Air Ducts, and Run a 5 Speed H Pattern Shifter
these Gen 7 Cars are Australian Supercars, but Much Worse on Road Courses and Short Tracks.
I just don’t understand what was so wrong with the old car?
The gen 6 was fine NASCAR just wouldn't stop fucking with the horsepower and aero packages.
couldn’t agree more was just at Brickyard 400 and it was absolutely a snooze fest
This is what im preaching to everyone, thank you!
$400k plus before they drop an engine in it. How much does the National Association "SPORT" Car Automobile Racing get off of these cars. The team can't even paint their own chassis. They have to that done by the third party that build them. If I wanted to watch Trans-am road race I would go to a Trans-am race. I turn the TV on only to see how many Fans Are NOT in the stand. Notice how they have painted the seats different colors, so it makes it harder to see how empty the stands are. GO BACK TO STOCK CAR RACING OR I HOPE THEY GO BROKE!!!
The race teams aren't happy with NASCAR, I hope some of the big teams split and start their own series with SMI and independent tracks and they can go back to real race cars and not this Trans-AM GT shit
I don’t buy potential manufacturers wanting less horsepower. F1 has 1000 hp and they are having to turn down manufacturers. I just think the people in the NASCAR corporate office are fools.
Same, and IndyCar in 2 weeks is debuting a new engine with more horsepower, NASCAR is just a back asswards series that only succeeded because of the racing itself and the drivers, not because of the sanctioning body, more like it succeeded inspite of the doofuses running it!
Hear me out, 1 race with the cup drivers in the xfinity cars with 900hp
That would literally fix racing overnight.
But Nascar doesn't want to have that conversation..
NASCAR knows they fucked up the cars and don't want to admit they were wrong!
@@PaperBanjo64 I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason they stopped pushing dirt Bristol was because it proves you can easily remove the undertray from the Cup chassis.
@mpf1947 the undertray and diffuser are some of the biggest flaws of this car and made them catch air easier
NASCAR going the way of the country. Too many politics and weak leadership that go for the money and screw the hand that feeds them.
The problem isn't the car design, it's the lack of testing/practice. Both started about the same time.The COT was just as bad/worse. The teams survived the COT because they were testing 4 days a week.
Personally, call a race car who give us 19 different winners in his first year "failiure" is a complete over-reaction.
Its the fresh air breath that nascar needs, but the next gen car needs a lot of work.
I hope they boost the HP up again
Finally someone said that everybody acts like every nascar before the nation with some gift to God to nascar When in reality they all had their problems
“If everyone is super then nobody is” equal playing field + dirty air = no passing for the lead
I don't see how low horsepower could be more "green" if they really wanted to be "green" 900+ horsepower and synthetic fuels.
Not only does the car produce boring races, it's also horribly unsafe. We've had more injuries in 2.25 seasons compared to 15 seasons with the COT and the Gen 6. It needs to go, like, NOW.
They have improved the safety ever since Kurt Busch had his accident
Not really hard hits are hard hits no matter If it was the COT or gen6
NASCAR should have Built the Gen 7 Car for IMSA instead not the Cup Series, lets be Real
nah. IMSA is better off not having stock car culture bleed into it.
I feel like a better version of a stock car GT hybrid are the Trans Am TA and TA2 cars. Like a stock car purpose built for road course racing. Problem is Trans Am doesn’t have the viewership that NASCAR and IMSA does.
They don't care about viewership. Besides, you can watch all their races on RUclips for free.
I know I am late, but thank you so much for this video. The next gen is so bad.
NASCAR really should've kept the Gen 6 and took as many 1.5s off as possible, just reduce them all to single dates...North Wilkesboro would be great with Gen 6 and fans would be begging for a points race there...more short tracks, unique ovals, and about 6 road courses would be perfect...Gen 6 was a perfectly good race car, it was also safer...Kurt Busch had to retire because of Gen 7 taking such hard hits, had that crash happened in a Gen 6 he'd been fine...as bad as stages, green-white-checkers, and playoffs are, Gen 7 is the WORST thing NASCAR ever came up with...at least with Gen 6 the fundamental cars were still traditional "stock cars" and not some crappy ass sports car!
Also a bad Gen 6 race was almost never as bad as a bad Gen 7 race.
Nothing makes me more spicy than watching left turns.
Just like college football nascar is leaving it’s traditions and simping for tv and marketing gimmicks 🙄.totally going away from on what makes them unique trying to be something there not.
They've been dependent on the networks since the mid 70s.
It is closer to a 24hr of daytona gt car than any stock car. I cant believe a actual stock car series hasnt stepped up. Where guys can go buy a new z28 put a cage in it and they talk shit and fight. It would take over in a couple years
I feel like no matter what happens in NASCAR people are always going to complain about it whether it was back in the 70s the 80s the early 90s here we are with the next GEN cup car and people are still complaining
I didn't hear this in the video so it's something I wanted to bring up as well: this car is LESS SAFE. For an organization that prides itself on safety, Kurt Busch is now retired. Why? Because of this car. We're lucky Ryan Preece is still alive and not retired. This car is completely giving a ton of shock to the drivers when the wrecks happen....and face it, Nascar wants the wrecks. But it's not safe in these pieces of crap. I'd address that before any sort of horsepower increases or less traction. You start adding those two things in, people will be wrecking more. And if you get more wrecks, people WILL absolutely get hurt more in these particular cars. Bank on it.
3:57 amen brother! I'm appalled this is reality!
Can we just use the xfinity cars? Those put on the best races 😭
I think the best thing for NASCAR would be premier league style promotion and relegation where the drivers with the 3 worst points totals lose their spot to drivers in the next league down
That would mean that being a championship contender in Xfinity would get you a ride at Rick Ware Racing, where you'll almost certainly get shuffled out quickly.
It’s Better than the tail end of gen 6 with the 550 package where the cars drove themselves on mile and half’s Kyle Busch even said that
As soon as they rolled out this "toe- arm" oval track racing abomination, it's been exactly the oval track farce anyone outside the NASCAR exec sorority house knew it would be. As a 35 year fan, I always watch Xfinity and CUP, but clearly, We need to get CUP back onto Xfinity chassis and bodies to return to the muscle car like driving dynamics that have defined NASCAR stock cars and racing style through it's most successful decades. Lower D.F and more sidewall, less width, and more suspension travel.
Take everything out of the next gen package besides the intermediates
The way I see it, say that they should consolidate the truck series and run the pickup trucks in the cup series going forward. No more restrictor plates and add more horsepower.
The reality is that the only legit car worth racing is the Ford Mustang. Especially with Chevy ending production of the Camaro. Toyota still has a strong seller in the Camry, but it’s front wheel drive/4 cylinder.
A NASCAR racing vehicle should be rear wheel drive-based, and the sad reality is that only the Mustang fills that bill as a car. Pickup trucks are where it’s at and more than 90% are rear wheel drive. And Ford and Chevy still offer a V8 as a half-ton option.
My point is that pickups from the truck series would better serve the cup series and further incentivize NASCAR’s “win on Sunday sell on Monday” tradition. Because there will always be a demand for pickup trucks in the USA.
$150k, make it happen if you die and its because you drove a 2000hp powerwheel your team is banned. If you crush another car with a Vietnam era tank then youre banned. 150k. Including the car sold to the public, so it has to pass highway safety tests. Then your remaining money is mods. Standardize safety: yes, standardized everything but loopholes: no. Its basically real life hot wheels at this point but only left turns. Let the body, skill, and efficiency do the work. You have 150k to buy a stock car(wait what) and make it safe, then free reign. That's inspiration to manufacturers to get things done.
150k to make a race car 😂 yeah maybe if it was 1970
The old Cup cars were $80,000 and built in house by the teams.
Hold on …. Toyota only is down with a HP increase on tracks Less than 1 mile and road courses. They don’t want an increase at all tracks .
TRD president David Wilson says Toyota is 'open' to more horsepower in NASCARCup Series
@@antoniestrada1972 Toyota Racing President, David Wilson, is saying that Toyota is open to raising the horsepower of NASCAR's Next Gen car to improve the car's racing ability on short tracks - ovals that are less than 1 mile long - and road courses.
@@kharnthebetrayer1575 They don't make specific engines anymore
@@antoniestrada1972 again that is what the president of TRD said the full quote.
Nascar has no excuse. They had years to develop the car!!! Wtf were they even doing?!
Yeah they have years of development in simulators to in real life racing
Yeah the have years of development with simulation and data but sometimes that doesn't translate into real life racing