Hey there..probably a bunch of people that said this.. clean your rifle :) also, 'target' ammo typically runs at about 1050 fps. Everything else you used in the video except the stingers runs btw 1250 and 1280 fps. Stingers run at 1600 ish fps. This is why your groups are all shooting high except for the Norma. Want some ammo acccuracy? Try and find some Aguila 40gr copper plated "super extra" ammo after you get things cleaned. I have a bunch of .22.s bolt/lever/semi-auto. I have used everything you demonstrated in this video except the norma. Aguila out performs all of these in all of my .22 LR firearms, especially my CZ's. Aguila is my goto brand..period. The low velocity of the Norma, in a dirty 10/22 is sure to lead to FTE issues. Good luck, and keep on making enjoyable vids.
I wont personally own a 22 rifle that wont perform when dirty. Sorry but the ammo is far from clean shooting and im not cleaning a plinking rifle every 20 rounds.
@@UserFormelyKnownAs_hjkh I agree, I don’t clean mine often but 10 years is something else lol. Considering some say to clean and some say not, this seems like a great chance to see if if there’s any truth to the clean vs not clean camps.
so so happy to see shooting at 100 yards thank you. when I was a wee girl say around 10 or 11. I use to shoot my Dad's 22. killed many jack rabbets. when I was in my teens I moved up to ground squirrels with same 22. I just love the 22. My Dad has long left this life and I got His 22.
At the time of this comment, I am 14. I’ve been shooting guns since I was around 8. The first shotgun I’ve ever shot was a Winchester 37 16 gauge. It was my PawPaw’s first shotgun and my dad’s. First shot I took with it, it knocked me into the chair behind me.
@@haydeng.957 I am so happy for you. I think I was 17 when I shot my first shotgun and it was a 410. It also was my Dad’s. I don’t know what happened to that gun. Which I had it now as well.
Besides cleaning your rifle, I think you should also move it a little further on the rest, so that the barrel doesn’t touch the rest, but the handguard does.
This wa# my first observation. He was having mostly vertical dispersion in his groups. I would like to see more of the forearm in the front rest and use better sandbags front and rear. I was struggling to watch this.
WTW, clean the gun. Perhaps scrub the bore of possible leading with some copper chore boy wrapped around a .17 Cal brush. Take that threaded thingymabopper off the muzzle, rinse and repeat. You may have surprising results. Also, any jammed rounds could deform the bullet profile🤷♂️
10 YEARS?!!!! My eye is twitching. Clean your guns, man. Im OCD about it. To be fair......the Army did it to me. But still. Clean your guns. Love your videos btw.
Agreed. Especially after shooting rounds like the Remington golden bullets. All of that gold-colored jacket spackles the barrel with tiny gold flakes and just continues to build up along with all the other lead, carbon, copper, and other crap that collects in the chamber/barrel after a ton of shooting.
very good point. i respect who, very smart young guy and like his vids, but this is the second vid of his ive seen where he said he didnt clean the gun, ever. to me, this seems contradictory to just about everything else he says
@@jmkhenka There can be a sweet spot between 50 and 300 rounds, called Relative Equilibrium with my .300 win mag. Once the accuracy becomes erratic, its time for a thorough cleaning.
@@prone_wolf8871 But what are your groups like? Also, what kind of ammunition do you use? Every firearm that I have has its own personality. Even 2 of the same make and model.
Listening to the wind and seeing things blowing around, I would say that it affected the shots too. I can tell from experience that a strong breeze with those gusts you had pushed a few flyers around...Try shooting on a calm day, clean the rifle.
All of the shots were high. I don’t see this as a wind issue. I see a dirty gun that was sighted using low power ammo so the higher velocity stuff didn’t have as much drop
You know, I don't think a 10/22 has a floated barrel but I was wondering the same thing you were about resting the stock and not the barrel. My conversion went from plastic stock with a barrel band to the overmolded stock with no barrel band and just the action screw holding it all together so I may test groups with barrel rest and stock rest now. Also the torque on the action screw could play a part in better groups.
Good Evening all !! And I’m not only glad to see WTW tonight , but also WTW putting in muffs on EVEN WITH JUST .22 , I hear a lot of guys say ( IT JUST .22 ). But my rebuttals is. YOU ONLY GET 1 SET OF EARS !! NICE VID WTW
Let me give you some truths? I am 82 years of age! I've shot guns for 78 years without ear protection and still have good hearing for my age. I'm not giving any advice but I am saying that there is no magic bullet. Different people react to the same things in different ways.
Hey, Thanks for the video. It's recommended to shoot a minimum of 20 rounds of the ammo you are going to be shooting to condition the bbl to the lub. I wouldn't worry about cleaning it. Yes the "match and some target" ammo will not work the action of a semi-auto without a weaker recoil spring/bolt. Most of the ammo has the vel on the box. Thanks again for taking the time to put this on youtube.
Bought a new 10/22 a few years ago and had nothing but trouble, had to replace the xtractor, ejector, bolt spring and trigger with after market, then had to modify the mags because they wouldn't feed, good to see you had better luck
This is good information! Don't be disappointed! I have kids at our range events that commonly hit clay pigeons on the 100 yard berm using CCI ammo. The really good ones figure out that the bullets impact on the first dot below the center of the reticle and then they break the pieces. I was impressed with the Super X, because we have more trouble with that ammo running a semi-auto than is acceptable for our educational events; usually with not chambering well. The Stingers are awesome, and that tight grouping shows that CCI does a fine job of quality control on that line. On cleaning a 22, I do it frequently, not to have a clean bore, but to have a clean chamber, so the next round will chamber and eject easily. Keep up the good work!
Well now that was a interesting video, and in my opinion for cheap bulk ammo that Remington golden I think did a pretty good group considering 100 yards the distance. Maybe if you would clean your barrel you could tighten groups up a whole lot better.
Prefer: 1) No wind 2) Cleaned rifle 3) Same weight bullets My .22"s print a big difference between 40 grainers (my favorite) & 36 grainers. CCI & Aguila make so many different bullets in .22 caliber...Maybe a fun test would be shooting ALL of their respective ammos from the same rifle at 100 yards? We DO appreciate all that you do. Your public loves you brother.
@@keiththompson5588 yes sir I’m a little sore. WTW was a great guy. Glad to have you both over. Gods speed to Keith the Bra Thompson and Who Tee Who for a great day. 👍🇺🇸🔫🎥🏆🦃🦌
I'm sure you know more about this stuff than I do. Others said clean the rifle, that should help. I thought when you were sitting the Norma ammo, with the failures to load, when you went back to the rest the barrel was resting on the front of the rest and not the stock/grip. That's when your groups started opening up to me. Great videos! I've enjoyed watching!
You definitely need to clean that rifle. My remington nylon 66 from the 60s groups quarter size groups at 100 yards with alot of different ammo. Clean that thang....lol
Interesting comparison. I did the same a few years back but used "Sub Sonics" they shoot a tighter group, and i used a bolt action it's amazing how the different brands perform and there's no rhyme or reason. One rifle prefers one brand over another. It Looks like the Ruger prefers the last two you tried. Love your work!
I always enjoy your videos Adam a good cleaning I think would really help and not just the barrel but the action too ! Have you tried to adjust the trigger pull ? Also noticed it looked like your barrel was on the rest try again with the stock on your front rest that may help as well. Those were just some things I noticed , all the best to you Keep those videos coming
I have several 10/22 rifles and one is set up for target with a bull barrel, a Vorquartzen trigger kit, and a synthetic buffer. It loves the Federal Match ammo. I mainly shoot 50 yards, but can get solid groups within a half inch. The two take down models I have are good for hunting, but they are not tack drivers. A friend got a 10/22 the other day that doesn't have sight or a barrel band and only cost about $200.00. He sighted it in with a fixed 4 power scope at 50 with the Federal Match and was getting 3/4 inch groups. Now his Ruger American .22LR bolt action will drive tacks without any issues.
When you rest the rifle are you resting it on the stock or barrel? Hard to tell from video. Could affect accuracy a bit but it would be cool to see it with a clean rifle too
It might be your gun being dirty. I shoot the cci mini mags with the my 10/22 and hit a auto resetting target 9 out of 10 times at 100 yards. And each round target is less 3 inches wide
Those are about the group size that I get. I bought mine in’87 at a Kmart. I have only cleaned the barrel. I have watched a couple of videos and think that I will take it apart and give it a proper cleaning soon.
Standard velocity Aguila rivals expensive match ammo in all of my accurate .22's except my CZ 452 ., but it's close to Eley match . High velocity copper coated ammo is not that accurate .
I've owned 3 10/22 ,and my experience with these have been each rifle had different personalities, all 3 took different ammo they preferred, I'm 64 and have met some professional shooters and all have told me rifle are different even the same models, these guys shoot 1000 yard matches with custom rifles, enjoyed your post, like you I enjoy a 22 .🇺🇸
I have one 10/22 that shoots so well with a stock barrel and action I haven’t done anything to it other than install a better trigger… and I usually upgrade about everything…
For a stock 10-22 those groups really aren’t all that bad at 100yds. The majority of people shoot 50-60 yds and under with 22s, so you could cut those groups in half. Second, for a stock trigger those groups are still pretty good for 100yds. I have several 10-22s and not one has the stock trigger. I have a couple with the BX triggers and the rest have Hornet triggers ( shout out to him, great triggers at fair prices on eBay.) the triggers make a world of difference to be sure. This vid certainly does show the vast variance in 22 ammo in a great way. Pretty much find one or two your gun likes and stay with them as to not need to sight in every time. Of the rugers I have , no two are the same in ammo preference, a few are close enough to share but I put a sticker on what likes what. Close enough for hunting and fun , none are target rifles to be sure. Great vid WTW, keep em coming!
Really need to stay subsonic when shooting anything over 50 yards. Otherwise the bullet will cross its own sound wake somewhere between 50 and 100 yards and this will definitely disturb the projectile. Anything leaves the barrel above the speed of sound will have an unfair disadvantage at far distances.
I ran the same test using a Anschutz 1761 D HB Classic and the KIDD .22LR Supergrade Premium Rifle topped with a Hawke Vantage 4-12x40 on both rifles. The CCI Standard velocity was the consistent winner in the cheap ammo and the Eley Tenex EPS .22 LR Ammo for the expensive stuff. The CCI was almost as good as the Eley at 50 yards. At 100 the Eley was much more consistent but the groups were sub MOA and just over in part because of a windy Tennessee day. Remington Thunder Bolts were all over the paper at 50 which were the worst I tested. Some didn't even fire so I wouldn't waste my money on those. Norma match was good but no better than the CCI. My best 5 shot group at 50 yards was .190" with Eley Tenex with the Anschutz.
With my 10/22 "International", shooting Golf Balls at 100 yards is just fun. auto Match stove pipes, Agulra Super 40 gr., Mini Mags 40 gr. and the Winchester 40 gr, work just fine.
I used to do the same thing with my international manufactured in 1967 (my Dad passed it on to me). First rifle I ever shot and it's still a tack driver,
22's are dirty. Go to the range, get home, CLEAN your firearms. Take 100 rounds of 22 ammo, set up a scale, weigh the rounds, three groups, Light, average, and Heavy. Generally, I find 3-4 heavy, 8-10 light, and finally, about 80% are in the middle. With doing the weighing you can get much better over all consistent groups. It's frustrating to have a 4 shot group, all holes touching, then one "flyer" 2-3 inches out. Weighing the days ammo I get 5 shot groups with all holes touching. 10-22, International, shooting CCI 40 RN, that have been weighed, 10 shot groups at 50 yds. ONE HOLE.
You got any of that Frog Lube? I used it on my 10/22 and it does a great job of shedding carbon. It's a job to disassemble, clean, degrease, heat the parts and apply... but it really does a nice job and prevents rusting as well.
Do you have problems with the 10/22 not ejecting rounds and temperamental with firing some rounds? Mine did with 3 brands if I remember right. One was I think 22lr the regular winchester white box and the winchester wild cats and don't remember might have been the thunderbolts. Must wouldn't eject always had a pick in my pocket if that all I had to shoot and a lot wouldn't fire. My cousin could shot them fine through his savage 22lr
I think that the match ammo is loaded to be below supersonic and for bolt action rifles, and as a lot of others have said, clean it, then shoot a 50 box of ammo and retry. Maybe shooting the CZ and Ruger alternating, with the same ammo side by side. But most of the ammo held minute of Zombie head.
Great video Who Tee, really enjoy the 22 stuff I wonder if your 10/22 would benefit from a volquartsen bolt tune up kit (firing pin, extractor, spring), and the cleaning you'll give it when you have it apart
I was Woching a video were adjusting your stock screw can make it shoot better ! By finding the harmonic balance of the barrel. I just recently went to a after market stock with a free floating barrel and was shooting a quarter size group’s! And a lot of them were cutting paper between them. Have a great day!!!
My first 10/22 did that a lot at 100..bought a Green Mountain barrel..sent it to Connecticut.Had the chamber re-formed...the groups really tightened up at 50 or a 100 with CCI Standards..
If the CZ isn't as dirty as your Ruger, it won't be fair. Clean that dang Ruger. 22's are a dirty round. Besides, I think a Marlin would best them all...WhoTeeWho!!
I always enjoy a WHO TEE WHO video. Cleaning the rifle may help the cycling, but 22 is always a potential problem. I am curious what the fps and grains were on the Normas and Remington. The others were on the labels. I look forward to the next one. BTW the barrel was not on the rest as far as I could see.
Since that's a bone stock gun, you should do a trigger job on it. Ruger rimfire triggers are horrendous. I did trigger jobs on 2 10/22's last week. I didnt check them with a trigger scale but 1 felt like the pull was around 8 lbs 🤣 My 77/22 was just as bad. Did a trigger job on it, helped tremendously!
I have a Ruger 10-22 just like that one which I bought new back in '88. Since then I have added a big, expensive, and fancy 3X9 Nikkon scope designed especially for .22 rimfire rifles and a Ruger after-market target trigger group. At fifty yards from the bench, it seems to do best with Remington Target and with Prime, a German standard velocity brand. The former printed 1 1/2 inches and the latter 1 1/4. At a hundred yards, it did generally crappy with everything. I am wondering if it could be improved with a faster rate of twist. I can turn in far better groups at 100 yards with my Great Depression era Savage NRA Model 19 with target peep sights. I basically consider my Ruger 10-22 to be a good, lightweight, and accurate 50 - 60 yard carbine. I think that the best and most cost-effective solution for 10 -22 accuracy is just to purchase the target model to begin with.
When testing ammo. in a 22LR, I was taught to shoot 25 of each in the dirt before testing each. The reason is because each has a different lube that needs to "season" to bore. Norma Match and most match 22lr is 1080FPS or just bellow the sound barrier so you don't get transonic (supersonic to subsonic) in flight. This makes this kind of ammo. more accurate at all ranges. At least that's what I was taught. Some semi-auto 22's don't cycle with match ammo., yours did better then most. Yes to the CZ!! And thank you for all the hard work it takes to make these videos, I was out with a RUclipsr when they made a video, it take much more then we see.
I got a brand new 1022 and it jams like yours did. Cleaned it up and still does the same, not impressed with my 1022. And I get the same sorry groups too.
CCI stinger is a great ammo. Definitely do this again with. A clean 10/22 and the cz. Great video. I don’t clean guns a lot myself. The semi autos do need a good cleaning though.
Haven't cleaned my 10-22 in i couldn't tell you how long. Even when it was cleaned after a few jams from the Goldens and the thunderbolts I refuse to shoot anything other than cci when it counts .
Them thunders are dirty and will even blow powder in your eye when the case ejects. grrrr. Accuracy hasnt been to bad with them though and very rarely a failure to eject. Rem cyclones are my current squirrel bullets as my rifle seems to like them better but I am still buying and trying new ammo. I have tried cci on the same day as the cyclones and thunders and the cyclones absolutely outshined cci and winchester.
If you’re supporting the barrel of that rifle on your rifle rest it will shoot high try a couple of groups making sure you use the stock and not the barrel on the front support
CCI Standard Velocity has treated me well in bolt guns, but the slightly faster stuff like the Winchester Super X has been good in autos. I do know that if you can keep the bullet supersonic all the way to the target, or start out barely subsonic, they usually fly better, but there are always some loads that tend to shoot well regardless of all that stuff.
I wonder if the way that is patterning if that scope is holding consistent zero. Several times it looked like you was getting two groups. I would either remount that scope or try a different one. Just my two pieces of copper.
A couple of those are not bad groups with a 22 at 100 yards. I’ve always been a fan of CCI Stingers and MINIMAGS. I also like Winchester Hi Velocity HP.
I have a 10/22 ser # 17399 that I got for my birthday in 1964, does well @ 70 yards with the hot loads, transonic kills it at the 100 yard range about 4 “ groups. The standard velocity will do about 2” consistently @ 100 yards .
Need a *Part 2.* Part 2 would be showing a *good cleaning,* then the same ammo comparison *with a clean rifle* ... for science and honor.
Hey there..probably a bunch of people that said this.. clean your rifle :) also, 'target' ammo typically runs at about 1050 fps. Everything else you used in the video except the stingers runs btw 1250 and 1280 fps. Stingers run at 1600 ish fps. This is why your groups are all shooting high except for the Norma. Want some ammo acccuracy? Try and find some Aguila 40gr copper plated "super extra" ammo after you get things cleaned. I have a bunch of .22.s bolt/lever/semi-auto. I have used everything you demonstrated in this video except the norma. Aguila out performs all of these in all of my .22 LR firearms, especially my CZ's. Aguila is my goto brand..period. The low velocity of the Norma, in a dirty 10/22 is sure to lead to FTE issues. Good luck, and keep on making enjoyable vids.
(Forrest Gump voice)
Mamma said life is like a box of Thunderbolt. Ya never know what what ya gonna get!
Love to see the CZ with same ammo but honestly I’d be more interested in seeing the same rifle shot again after a deep clean. For science!
Wrong dude if you want guns cleaned lol
With 22lr being such a dirty ammo you should clean the rifle and redo the test. Come on dude 10 years since you cleaned it.
@@NiteWorXTV 😂
I wont personally own a 22 rifle that wont perform when dirty. Sorry but the ammo is far from clean shooting and im not cleaning a plinking rifle every 20 rounds.
@@UserFormelyKnownAs_hjkh I agree, I don’t clean mine often but 10 years is something else lol. Considering some say to clean and some say not, this seems like a great chance to see if if there’s any truth to the clean vs not clean camps.
so so happy to see shooting at 100 yards thank you. when I was a wee girl say around 10 or 11. I use to shoot my Dad's 22. killed many jack rabbets. when I was in my teens I moved up to ground squirrels with same 22. I just love the 22. My Dad has long left this life and I got His 22.
At the time of this comment, I am 14. I’ve been shooting guns since I was around 8. The first shotgun I’ve ever shot was a Winchester 37 16 gauge. It was my PawPaw’s first shotgun and my dad’s. First shot I took with it, it knocked me into the chair behind me.
@@haydeng.957 I am so happy for you. I think I was 17 when I shot my first shotgun and it was a 410. It also was my Dad’s. I don’t know what happened to that gun. Which I had it now as well.
My 1st gun was a Marlin 22 . Tried aiming at chipmunks , but they are just too cute .
@Remington Steel .
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I didn't , and thank you .
I love seeing the comparison in different brands of ammo
I run a bore snake through my 22 every few hundred roundswith a spray bore cleaner and it hold super accuracy
Besides cleaning your rifle, I think you should also move it a little further on the rest, so that the barrel doesn’t touch the rest, but the handguard does.
This wa# my first observation. He was having mostly vertical dispersion in his groups. I would like to see more of the forearm in the front rest and use better sandbags front and rear. I was struggling to watch this.
Came here to say this
How much difference do you think it makes on a barrel band rifle.
It would be interesting to see the same test and ammo with a cleaned gun.
WTW, clean the gun. Perhaps scrub the bore of possible leading with some copper chore boy wrapped around a .17 Cal brush. Take that threaded thingymabopper off the muzzle, rinse and repeat. You may have surprising results. Also, any jammed rounds could deform the bullet profile🤷♂️
The guy's obviously a dope.
Yes....not cleaning your weapon for 10 YEARS doesn't seem to be the most responsible way of maintenance 🤨
Someone said it earlier but clean your 10/22 and do this test again!
10 YEARS?!!!! My eye is twitching. Clean your guns, man. Im OCD about it. To be fair......the Army did it to me. But still. Clean your guns. Love your videos btw.
cleaning a gun to pass the time can also Destroy the gun hahhaha..... where did all that bluing go?
YES, YOU SHOULD TRY IT WITH CCI ONLY BULLETS!
Noticeably absent from the video is the armed guard protecting all that valuable ammo.
Wind will definitely push a 22lr at 100 yards. Yeah I'd like to see the same ammo, no wind and a clean barrel. Nice work! Love the channel!
Yup. Even pushing mine at 75yds with a pretty good gust. I was still happy though. Got to learn holdover with the rifle when that wind was gusting.
Agreed!
Groups would improve with a clean rifle. Not bustin on ya, just a fact.
Agreed. Especially after shooting rounds like the Remington golden bullets. All of that gold-colored jacket spackles the barrel with tiny gold flakes and just continues to build up along with all the other lead, carbon, copper, and other crap that collects in the chamber/barrel after a ton of shooting.
very good point. i respect who, very smart young guy and like his vids, but this is the second vid of his ive seen where he said he didnt clean the gun, ever. to me, this seems contradictory to just about everything else he says
@@jmkhenka There can be a sweet spot between 50 and 300 rounds, called Relative Equilibrium with my .300 win mag. Once the accuracy becomes erratic, its time for a thorough cleaning.
This is not a fact hahaha
Edited to add: I'm up to about 2k on my 22 now groups have not changed enough to notice in 2k.
@@prone_wolf8871 But what are your groups like? Also, what kind of ammunition do you use? Every firearm that I have has its own personality. Even 2 of the same make and model.
Glad you got it off on time. Definitely shoot the CZ and take a night and clean your guns! They will love you for it.
ammo manufacturers right now quantity over quality
Listening to the wind and seeing things blowing around, I would say that it affected the shots too. I can tell from experience that a strong breeze with those gusts you had pushed a few flyers around...Try shooting on a calm day, clean the rifle.
Yup
The camera was tweaked by the wind gusts. But yes, clean up your bullet-launchers from time to time...🤓
All of the shots were high. I don’t see this as a wind issue. I see a dirty gun that was sighted using low power ammo so the higher velocity stuff didn’t have as much drop
I’ve had really good luck with the Winchester ammo.
Was going to say the same thing
Same for me.
I found a 500 pack of Australian made winchester T22 ammo the other day at my local ammo store, not bad stuff in my Ruger precision rimfire 22lr
Cleaning the gun will definitely make a difference.
I would try again and move the stock on the rest instead of the barrel maybe it is but hard to tell, thanks for sharing WTW.
You know, I don't think a 10/22 has a floated barrel but I was wondering the same thing you were about resting the stock and not the barrel. My conversion went from plastic stock with a barrel band to the overmolded stock with no barrel band and just the action screw holding it all together so I may test groups with barrel rest and stock rest now. Also the torque on the action screw could play a part in better groups.
Good Evening all !! And I’m not only glad to see WTW tonight , but also WTW putting in muffs on EVEN WITH JUST .22 , I hear a lot of guys say ( IT JUST .22 ). But my rebuttals is. YOU ONLY GET 1 SET OF EARS !! NICE VID WTW
Maybe the Muffs were for the grinder humming in the background
@@easternzone7869 LoL that’s funny friend
Let me give you some truths? I am 82 years of age! I've shot guns for 78 years without ear protection and still have good hearing for my age. I'm not giving any advice but I am saying that there is no magic bullet. Different people react to the same things in different ways.
@@mizaru5413 I have more hearing loss from people yelling at me
@@mizaru5413 WOW!!! THATS AMAZING FRIEND, MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU, AND ALL YOURS
Hey,
Thanks for the video.
It's recommended to shoot a minimum of 20 rounds of the ammo you are going to be shooting to condition the bbl to the lub.
I wouldn't worry about cleaning it.
Yes the "match and some target" ammo will not work the action of a semi-auto without a weaker recoil spring/bolt.
Most of the ammo has the vel on the box.
Thanks again for taking the time to put this on youtube.
Seems like u bumped ur scope?? Shooting high??🤷🏻♂️ Sweet vid. Do u use a chamber bore laser to zero??
Bought a new 10/22 a few years ago and had nothing but trouble, had to replace the xtractor, ejector, bolt spring and trigger with after market, then had to modify the mags because they wouldn't feed, good to see you had better luck
This is good information! Don't be disappointed! I have kids at our range events that commonly hit clay pigeons on the 100 yard berm using CCI ammo. The really good ones figure out that the bullets impact on the first dot below the center of the reticle and then they break the pieces. I was impressed with the Super X, because we have more trouble with that ammo running a semi-auto than is acceptable for our educational events; usually with not chambering well. The Stingers are awesome, and that tight grouping shows that CCI does a fine job of quality control on that line. On cleaning a 22, I do it frequently, not to have a clean bore, but to have a clean chamber, so the next round will chamber and eject easily. Keep up the good work!
Well now that was a interesting video, and in my opinion for cheap bulk ammo that Remington golden I think did a pretty good group considering 100 yards the distance. Maybe if you would clean your barrel you could tighten groups up a whole lot better.
Prefer:
1) No wind
2) Cleaned rifle
3) Same weight bullets
My .22"s print a big difference between 40 grainers (my favorite) & 36 grainers.
CCI & Aguila make so many different bullets in .22 caliber...Maybe a fun test would be shooting ALL of their respective ammos from the same rifle at 100 yards?
We DO appreciate all that you do. Your public loves you brother.
Yep, match grade stuff is not as hot. Might wanna run some patches through your barrel. I’ve got an old 10/22 you can strike matches with. 👍
Can’t wait to see this, got to like the good ole 22lr. Gods speed to Who Tee Who and family. 👍🇺🇸🔫🎥🤴🏼
Yes sir!
@@dannyholder9452 thanks Danny 👍🇺🇸
Hey joel is your arm sore from that 50 cal?
@@keiththompson5588 yes sir I’m a little sore. WTW was a great guy. Glad to have you both over. Gods speed to Keith the Bra Thompson and Who Tee Who for a great day. 👍🇺🇸🔫🎥🏆🦃🦌
Hey Keith!!!!!!!
I'm sure you know more about this stuff than I do. Others said clean the rifle, that should help. I thought when you were sitting the Norma ammo, with the failures to load, when you went back to the rest the barrel was resting on the front of the rest and not the stock/grip. That's when your groups started opening up to me. Great videos! I've enjoyed watching!
You definitely need to clean that rifle. My remington nylon 66 from the 60s groups quarter size groups at 100 yards with alot of different ammo. Clean that thang....lol
The nylon has a little longer barrel but he definitely needs to clean it .
Argggggh. I wish that I still had my nylon 66. Happy for you though.
Nylon 66 was my first gun, my Dad took me to K-Mart for it. For some reason, I chose it over a Marlin and a 10/22. I still have it, fifty years later.
Prove it.
@@prone_wolf8871 Yeah. Probably an exaggeration. I can keep 20 rounds inside of a 3 inch target, and I am happy with that.
Interesting comparison. I did the same a few years back but used "Sub Sonics" they shoot a tighter group, and i used a bolt action it's amazing how the different brands perform and there's no rhyme or reason. One rifle prefers one brand over another. It Looks like the Ruger prefers the last two you tried. Love your work!
It’s a standard 10-22..
2” @ 100 is expected .. that’s 1”@ 50- which is nice for most small game hunting .. I recommend Aguila for .22 accuracy..
I always enjoy your videos Adam a good cleaning I think would really help and not just the barrel but the action too ! Have you tried to adjust the trigger pull ? Also noticed it looked like your barrel was on the rest try again with the stock on your front rest that may help as well. Those were just some things I noticed , all the best to you
Keep those videos coming
I have several 10/22 rifles and one is set up for target with a bull barrel, a Vorquartzen trigger kit, and a synthetic buffer. It loves the Federal Match ammo. I mainly shoot 50 yards, but can get solid groups within a half inch. The two take down models I have are good for hunting, but they are not tack drivers. A friend got a 10/22 the other day that doesn't have sight or a barrel band and only cost about $200.00. He sighted it in with a fixed 4 power scope at 50 with the Federal Match and was getting 3/4 inch groups. Now his Ruger American .22LR bolt action will drive tacks without any issues.
When you rest the rifle are you resting it on the stock or barrel? Hard to tell from video. Could affect accuracy a bit but it would be cool to see it with a clean rifle too
It might be your gun being dirty. I shoot the cci mini mags with the my 10/22 and hit a auto resetting target 9 out of 10 times at 100 yards. And each round target is less 3 inches wide
Good video/content. Thank you for taking time to share
Paul is making it happen with that 4.5" grinder in the background!
Yup! Grinding on the car. Ha!
I could hear the power difference between the Norma’s and the others that were shooting high. Interesting vid (and a lot of fun!) 👍
Those are about the group size that I get.
I bought mine in’87 at a Kmart. I have only cleaned the barrel.
I have watched a couple of videos and think that I will take it apart and give it a proper cleaning soon.
I've tried them all, my 10/22 likes Aguilla the best!
Standard velocity Aguila rivals expensive match ammo in all of my accurate .22's except my CZ 452 ., but it's close to Eley match . High velocity copper coated ammo is not that accurate .
I've owned 3 10/22 ,and my experience with these have been each rifle had different personalities, all 3 took different ammo they preferred, I'm 64 and have met some professional shooters and all have told me rifle are different even the same models, these guys shoot 1000 yard matches with custom rifles, enjoyed your post, like you I enjoy a 22 .🇺🇸
I have one 10/22 that shoots so well with a stock barrel and action I haven’t done anything to it other than install a better trigger… and I usually upgrade about everything…
So what trigger did you go with thanks
Did you clean the gun? Last time it was having problems (because it's dirty).
Nope
I thought it was "Stangers" but maybe I've been watching too many 22 Plinkster videos.
Hoppe’s 9 could probably help your groups! Maybe do a Ruger 10/22 field strip and cleaning video!
For a stock 10-22 those groups really aren’t all that bad at 100yds. The majority of people shoot 50-60 yds and under with 22s, so you could cut those groups in half. Second, for a stock trigger those groups are still pretty good for 100yds.
I have several 10-22s and not one has the stock trigger. I have a couple with the BX triggers and the rest have Hornet triggers ( shout out to him, great triggers at fair prices on eBay.) the triggers make a world of difference to be sure.
This vid certainly does show the vast variance in 22 ammo in a great way.
Pretty much find one or two your gun likes and stay with them as to not need to sight in every time.
Of the rugers I have , no two are the same in ammo preference, a few are close enough to share but I put a sticker on what likes what.
Close enough for hunting and fun , none are target rifles to be sure.
Great vid WTW, keep em coming!
Really need to stay subsonic when shooting anything over 50 yards. Otherwise the bullet will cross its own sound wake somewhere between 50 and 100 yards and this will definitely disturb the projectile. Anything leaves the barrel above the speed of sound will have an unfair disadvantage at far distances.
I ran the same test using a Anschutz 1761 D HB Classic and the KIDD .22LR Supergrade Premium Rifle topped with a Hawke Vantage 4-12x40 on both rifles. The CCI Standard velocity was the consistent winner in the cheap ammo and the Eley Tenex EPS .22 LR Ammo for the expensive stuff. The CCI was almost as good as the Eley at 50 yards. At 100 the Eley was much more consistent but the groups were sub MOA and just over in part because of a windy Tennessee day. Remington Thunder Bolts were all over the paper at 50 which were the worst I tested. Some didn't even fire so I wouldn't waste my money on those. Norma match was good but no better than the CCI. My best 5 shot group at 50 yards was .190" with Eley Tenex with the Anschutz.
Hello another great video, what's your scope your using if possible, also a part number or what's the closest to it. Thanks
You talked me into it. Lets C the CZ. Thanks for the fun video.
A good cleaning should help. It would be interesting to see cci standard in both 10/22 and cz.
With my 10/22 "International", shooting Golf Balls at 100 yards is just fun. auto Match stove pipes, Agulra Super 40 gr., Mini Mags 40 gr. and the Winchester 40 gr, work just fine.
I used to do the same thing with my international manufactured in 1967 (my Dad passed it on to me). First rifle I ever shot and it's still a tack driver,
22's are dirty. Go to the range, get home, CLEAN your firearms. Take 100 rounds of 22 ammo, set up a scale, weigh the rounds, three groups, Light, average, and Heavy. Generally, I find 3-4 heavy, 8-10 light, and finally, about 80% are in the middle. With doing the weighing you can get much better over all consistent groups. It's frustrating to have a 4 shot group, all holes touching, then one "flyer" 2-3 inches out. Weighing the days ammo I get 5 shot groups with all holes touching. 10-22, International, shooting CCI 40 RN, that have been weighed, 10 shot groups at 50 yds. ONE HOLE.
@@keithfreeman5204 I think I will try out your advice! Dag gum flyers drive me nuts.
I've always used the CCI ammo. Thanks for all of the great videos.
Thank you! Been shooting Aguila and it has been having nice tight groupings.
Good video. It would be interesting to try this again with a clean rifle and compare plates....
My 10/22 loves the superx
Great video!! Love the content!!
The cci looked good. Thanks for the video. Maybe try it at 50 yards and stop using the norma that never seems to cycle- save it for a revolver
How long does it take to clean the bore? Maybe 10 minutes?
Love this channel!!!
You got any of that Frog Lube? I used it on my 10/22 and it does a great job of shedding carbon. It's a job to disassemble, clean, degrease, heat the parts and apply... but it really does a nice job and prevents rusting as well.
Do you have problems with the 10/22 not ejecting rounds and temperamental with firing some rounds? Mine did with 3 brands if I remember right. One was I think 22lr the regular winchester white box and the winchester wild cats and don't remember might have been the thunderbolts. Must wouldn't eject always had a pick in my pocket if that all I had to shoot and a lot wouldn't fire. My cousin could shot them fine through his savage 22lr
No
You can buy different springs for the action, swap them out depending on standard velocity vs high velocity vs hyper velocity
I think that the match ammo is loaded to be below supersonic and for bolt action rifles, and as a lot of others have said, clean it, then shoot a 50 box of ammo and retry. Maybe shooting the CZ and Ruger alternating, with the same ammo side by side. But most of the ammo held minute of Zombie head.
Hey WHO_TEE_WHO, What kind are the see through mounts you are using on your 10/22?
Great video Who Tee, really enjoy the 22 stuff
I wonder if your 10/22 would benefit from a volquartsen bolt tune up kit (firing pin, extractor, spring), and the cleaning you'll give it when you have it apart
I was Woching a video were adjusting your stock screw can make it shoot better ! By finding the harmonic balance of the barrel. I just recently went to a after market stock with a free floating barrel and was shooting a quarter size group’s! And a lot of them were cutting paper between them. Have a great day!!!
I’ve done it many times if you clean the barrel with a bore snake it will narrow down the group to very consistent
Nice video, I’ve always used the Winchester Super X and had good success with it.
Clean the rifle and do it again and let's see the difference?? That would be cool!!!
Thanks man I learn a Lot from your videos 👌 up good work.
Thanks for watching G mac
This was a really fun video💯
What scope do you recommend for 50-100 yards ? 2X7 or a 3x9
Im not an expert for sure, but shouldn't you be resting the rifle on the fore end, not the barrel?
Both ideas sound pretty good
My first 10/22 did that a lot at 100..bought a Green Mountain barrel..sent it to Connecticut.Had the chamber re-formed...the groups really tightened up at 50 or a 100 with CCI Standards..
Per your results, the scope appears to shooting HIGH, and a tid bit left. Bring it down 4 inches & 1/2 inch right and try again.
If the CZ isn't as dirty as your Ruger, it won't be fair. Clean that dang Ruger. 22's are a dirty round. Besides, I think a Marlin would best them all...WhoTeeWho!!
I always enjoy a WHO TEE WHO video. Cleaning the rifle may help the cycling, but 22 is always a potential problem. I am curious what the fps and grains were on the Normas and Remington. The others were on the labels. I look forward to the next one. BTW the barrel was not on the rest as far as I could see.
It was the scope!!!! Lol. Marines taught me to clean every time. Made myself a special bench just for cleaning
yes the scope
Since that's a bone stock gun, you should do a trigger job on it. Ruger rimfire triggers are horrendous. I did trigger jobs on 2 10/22's last week. I didnt check them with a trigger scale but 1 felt like the pull was around 8 lbs 🤣 My 77/22 was just as bad. Did a trigger job on it, helped tremendously!
You might need to clean your gun plus the wind. My 10-22 loves both cci mini mags. I get groups stacked on top each other to inside a quarter.
I have a Ruger 10-22 just like that one which I bought new back in '88. Since then I have added a big, expensive, and fancy 3X9 Nikkon scope designed especially for .22 rimfire rifles and a Ruger after-market target trigger group. At fifty yards from the bench, it seems to do best with Remington Target and with Prime, a German standard velocity brand. The former printed 1 1/2 inches and the latter 1 1/4. At a hundred yards, it did generally crappy with everything. I am wondering if it could be improved with a faster rate of twist. I can turn in far better groups at 100 yards with my Great Depression era Savage NRA Model 19 with target peep sights. I basically consider my Ruger 10-22 to be a good, lightweight, and accurate 50 - 60 yard carbine. I think that the best and most cost-effective solution for 10 -22 accuracy is just to purchase the target model to begin with.
Do you have the upgraded extractor? Try the volquartsen 10/22 extractor cheap easy fix. Worked great for my friends ruger 10/22
Eley series are the best one and expensive. My favorite is Aguila standard velocity
When testing ammo. in a 22LR, I was taught to shoot 25 of each in the dirt before testing each. The reason is because each has a different lube that needs to "season" to bore.
Norma Match and most match 22lr is 1080FPS or just bellow the sound barrier so you don't get transonic (supersonic to subsonic) in flight. This makes this kind of ammo. more accurate at all ranges. At least that's what I was taught.
Some semi-auto 22's don't cycle with match ammo., yours did better then most.
Yes to the CZ!!
And thank you for all the hard work it takes to make these videos, I was out with a RUclipsr when they made a video, it take much more then we see.
Yeah... I can't afford to burn 25 of each 😛😆😛
The CCI Mini mag was the best group short of the Winchester Rounds the one was a flyer, or you sneezed during the shot. 😂😁
I got a brand new 1022 and it jams like yours did. Cleaned it up and still does the same, not impressed with my 1022. And I get the same sorry groups too.
CCI stinger is a great ammo. Definitely do this again with. A clean 10/22 and the cz. Great video. I don’t clean guns a lot myself. The semi autos do need a good cleaning though.
Cci stinger always best
Haven't cleaned my 10-22 in i couldn't tell you how long. Even when it was cleaned after a few jams from the Goldens and the thunderbolts I refuse to shoot anything other than cci when it counts .
Them thunders are dirty and will even blow powder in your eye when the case ejects. grrrr. Accuracy hasnt been to bad with them though and very rarely a failure to eject. Rem cyclones are my current squirrel bullets as my rifle seems to like them better but I am still buying and trying new ammo. I have tried cci on the same day as the cyclones and thunders and the cyclones absolutely outshined cci and winchester.
If you’re supporting the barrel of that rifle on your rifle rest it will shoot high try a couple of groups making sure you use the stock and not the barrel on the front support
CCI Standard Velocity has treated me well in bolt guns, but the slightly faster stuff like the Winchester Super X has been good in autos. I do know that if you can keep the bullet supersonic all the way to the target, or start out barely subsonic, they usually fly better, but there are always some loads that tend to shoot well regardless of all that stuff.
I think its your point of aim from the rest instead of the ammo because your groups are constant.
I wonder if the way that is patterning if that scope is holding consistent zero. Several times it looked like you was getting two groups. I would either remount that scope or try a different one. Just my two pieces of copper.
A couple of those are not bad groups with a 22 at 100 yards. I’ve always been a fan of CCI Stingers and MINIMAGS. I also like Winchester Hi Velocity HP.
I’m puttin in my vote for a post gun cleaning ammo re-match!
I have a 10/22 ser # 17399 that I got for my birthday in 1964, does well @ 70 yards with the hot loads, transonic kills it at the 100 yard range about 4 “ groups. The standard velocity will do about 2” consistently @ 100 yards .
We used to shoot ground squirrels at 140 yds with cci stingers. Bolt action model 52 Winchester action behind an A.W. Patterson bull barrel
mines loves 50 year old standard RN Peters, not remington peters but the original. It does okay with mini mag for distance