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In 9th grade, my English teacher told us to write about a sympathetic villain in media, and I chose to write about Ramses. He was a fascinating character to dissect and study, which does give me a personal attachment to his character.
@@nevaehhamilton3493I can't recall, but I do think the Bible says the pharaoh before and after Moses leaves is one and the same, rather than father and son like in the film. In any case, his best quality was allowing Moses to be adopted into the royal family.
I don’t think Kai is that bad as of a villain. He manages to be intimidating even with the funny moments he gets, and I consider that he has some of the best fight scenes in the series. Plus, I think people miss the point thinking that he’s supposed to be redeemable. His backstory is supposed to show his lust for power and pettiness, not make you sympathize with him.
yeah, especially when Jack Horner is so great because "he's just meant to be irredeemable and he doesn't have a sob story". Not saying Jack is bad because he isn't. But if Jack is great for being irredeemable, then Kai can't be bad for being irredeemable
I think what really kills Kai as a villain for a lot of people is that his connection with Oogway isn't as interesting as Shen and Po or even Tai Lung and Shifu. Po and Shen are literally shown to be two sides of the same coin in how they handle their pasts and grief, and Tai Lung and Shifu in how they deeply affected each other, with Shifu becoming much colder due to Tai Lung's rampage and eventually finding peace in teaching Po to be the true dragon warrior, and Tai Lung being set up so hard for disappointment unintentionally by Shifu that it fucked his whole world up. Oogway and Kai just don't really have anything close to that for a lot of people.
@@thatguysinthecornertooelec3700 I can see that, other than the fact that oogway isn’t present for most the movie. For po and Shen they both battle it out and are have fates colliding. Tai king and shift were both alive and had contact with each other in a key part of the movie but Kai and oogway had it different. Kai isn’t known like shen or tai were and when Kai was a threat, it was where oogway couldn’t be so they couldn’t have that rivalry
DreamWorks villains list 53: Hendricks (Spirit Untamed) 0:36 52: Makunga (Madagascar 2) 1:50 51: Gallaxhar (Monsters v Aliens) 3:35 50: Dr Erwin (Boss baby 2) 5:19 49: Burnish (Abominable) 6:39 48 Dr Zara (Abominable) 8:20 47: The Fossas (Madagascar) 10:03 46: Humpy Dumpty (Puss in Boots) 11:00 45: Prince Charming (Shrek the Third) 13:00 44: Kai (Kung Fu Panda 3) 15:06 43: Captain Smeck (Home) 16:55 42: Nana (Madagascar 2) 19:01 41: Bergen Chef (Trolls) 20:06 40: Spiny Mandrilla (Croods 2) 21:33 39: Zuleika (King of Dreams) 22:42 38: Jack and Jill (Puss in Boots) 23:44 37: Montgomery (Bee Movie) 25:11 36: Prof Marmalade (The Bad Guys) 26:45 35: Dwayne (Over the Hedge) 28:13 34: Guy Gagne (Turbo) 29:55 33: Queen Barb (Trolls 2) 32:02 32: The Colonel (Spirit) 34:07 31: Gladys (Over the Hedge) 36:06 30: Francis Francis (Boss baby) 37:45 29: Conte's (The Road to El Dorado) 39:16 28: Vincent (Over the Hedge) 40:28 27: Edwina (Mr Peabody and Sherman) 42:28 26: Dave (Penguins of Madagascar) 44:27 25: Red Death (How to Train Your Dragon) 46:39 24: Victor (Wallace and Gromit) 48:06 23: The Toad (Flushed Away) 50:13 22: General Mandible (Ants) 51:53 21: Don lino (Shark Tale) 54:09 20: Tzekel-kan (The Road to El Dorado) 56:25 19: Ken (Bee movie) 58:33 18: Prof Poopypants (Captain Underpants) 1:00:13 17: Lord Farquaad (Shrek) 1:01:51 16: Cutter (Ants) 1:04:11 15: Pitch Black (Rise of the Guardians) 1:05:54 14: Rumpelstiltskin (Shrek Forever After) 1:07:38 13: Grimmel (How to Train Your Dragon 3) 1:09:12 12: Mrs Tweedy (Chicken Run) 1:10:44 11: Eris (Sinbad) 1:12:40 10: Captain Dubois (Madagascar 3) 1:14:44 9: Goldilocks and the Bears (Puss in Boots 2) 1:16:06 8: Tai Lung (Kung Fu Panda) 1:18:13 7: Drago (How to Train Your Dragon 2) 1:20:14 6: Jack Horner (Puss in Boots 2) 1:22:01 5: Titan (Megamind) 1:23:45 4: Death (Puss in Boots 2) 1:25:59 3: Lord Shen (Kung Fu Panda 2) 1:27:30 2: Rameses (The Prince of Egypt) 1:30:22 1: Fairy Godmother (Shrek 2) 1:32:51
Ah, and by the end, we’ve got some truly fantastic characters. When Dreamworks is on its game, they’re amazing. Titan/Tighten was ahead of his time…but also, sadly, timeless.
I think kai had strong potential, mostly wasted because of the film having badly timed jokes and being far less mature and meaningful than the first 2, but i think his backstory makes sense if you interpret it as him and oogway being warlords, but oogway had a change of heart and wanted to redeem himself after recieving selfless help from others
Exactly. Plus it's kind of sad to see that Oogway really wanted to save him, but just couldn't since Kai's grey area arc with Oogway turned to evil when Oogway "betrayed" him after he saved his life.
How is Kai a worse villain than Captain Shmeck. Kai was criminally low considering his incredible design, amazing voice acting by JK simons and how he perfectly mirriors the way po achieves his mastery of chi with kia taking it and po being given it by those he inspired. Pair that with an incredibly unique fighting style astetic and one of the greatest villain musical themes of all time I feel like you have a pretty great villian in my opinion. I do agree his back story is a bit weak as it is implied that Ogway was the one who had the change of heart not Kai but its really vage and quite generic making him easily the weakest in the trillogy but half the charters on the list have a way worse back story or no back story at all. Anyway just my opinoins Still an amazing video though loved it.
@@addictedtofauna3838 Fair. I do wish they spent more time on it, especially because the art style they use for that scene gose so freaking hard but the scene is so short.
I don't disagree that Fairy Godmother deserved #1, but there's something so goddamn funny about a comedic villain beating out three of the most serious and dark villains in Dreamworks' entire catalogue.
I feel like the fact that dreamworks can produce those 3 villans and also say "ok yeah they're good, fairy godmother time" and she's even better speaks quite well to this studio as a whole lmao
I actually felt for Ramses, sure he’s not innocent, but losing your son to a deadly spirit (even though I have no kids) is a depressing thought and I almost cried along with him. Also wasn’t his heart hardened, meaning god made it so that it would be less likely for him to let Moses’s people go? Maybe if he didn’t he’d listen and obey earlier…
It’s tragic, even in the Bible god comes off as really fucking wicked. The pharaoh was even hardened in the heart by god before the story, meaning he was hardened TWO TIMES. It was the final straw that made me leave Christianity.
@@TalpaTulpaI mean I can't make you believe in God or Christianity but rameses brought that upon himself because he was warned many times by Moses what would happen if he didn't let the Hebrews go literally he was given every opportunity to let the Hebrews go and to cease God's plagues and he chose to ignore the warning due to his own pride and arrogance
@@TalpaTulpawhat do you mean by that? seti was a pharoh who was enslaving the Hebrew and who orderd to have the Hebrew children taken away from their mothers and to have them killed what do you mean by his heart was hardened?
Glad that my two favorite DreamWorks villains (Death and Lord Shen) both got in the top five. For my own notes on them: Death is fun because he's not a villain in the traditional sense, but more a manifestation of Puss' fear for his last life. When he finally faces Death is the point that Puss proves that he's willing to face his mortality instead of running from it. If you think about it, Death kind of wins because the old, "gambles with his life" Puss is effectively "dead" and replaced by a new, better version of himself. "But that man's long gone now" is a very fitting line. As for Shen, what most fascinates me about him is his parallels with Po, especially at the end. Po finally defeats Shen when he moves on from the past and obtains inner peace. Unlike a lot of villains, in his final moments Shen doesn't scream out in terror or try to move out of the way as his cannon comes down on him... If anything, Shen actually looks calm in his last moments. In a way, death is the thing that finally brings Shen his own inner peace. Also I just realized that both of my favorite DreamWorks villains have Death as their major theme (heck, white is the color of death in Chinese culture, which is why Shen being albino is so important to his theming)
Late to this but I would definitely say death *100%* is a villain. Taking puss' life is not part of is his job. He is doing it purely out of personal contempt.
One thing about Kai I’ve heard people theorize that makes a lot of sense is that when him and Oogway were comrades they were actually warlords and conquerors together. In the panda village Oogway had a change of heart by learning to give instead of take and that’s why Kai felt betrayed. This makes so much sense and makes his connection to Oogway more interesting, really wish they emphasized this in the movie.
Pitch Black is my favorite villain. His name is a fun play on word, his voice is scary, his design is unique, he's smart and manipulative. I understand why he's jealous of the guardians, i even feel a bit sad for him. No one can see him, it's like he doesn't exist that's awful! I also find it funny that his dreams are butterflies. Despite being a spooky adult who likes to terrorise humans, he has a soft side. It's cute 😊Maybe Pitch is not as bad as we though.
His nightmares are also a play on words, though the play on words only works in English, I suppose. I don't really like his attire - I think it looks bland and doesn't express any of his personality and also isn't all that practical, but I love the design of his nightmares. They're superior to the dream unicorns to me. I find it a bit sad that his dreams are butterflies. One reading might be that he is fragile, and also, butterflies can sometimes be associated with death and other things. The other could be in relation to the book canon - which, tbf the movie doesn't really fit with - in which he has a daughter that becomes Mother Nature. He's also very a force of nature - since he represents fear -, so he's really just doing his job. Maybe not as well as he could do, but then, unlike Jack he didn't even get guidance from the moon, it seems. Then again, even Jack's guidance from the moon was limited. He's definitely a jerk, but one I can't help but pity.
Compared to other dreamworks villains he's one of those villains who we can feel both love to hate and sympathetic. And he also had tons of charisma throughout the movie
I genuinely forgot how much fun Dave was as a villain. John Malkovich is such an oddball casting choice, but his voice works so well it rides between being funny and creepy.
It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Shen never knew about the prophecy, he wouldn't have attacked the pandas in the first place. If he never attacked the pandas, Po likely would never have even become the Dragon Warrior, and would never have defeated Shen. It's hard to know what would have happened if he was never told the prophecy. Oddly enough, Chronicles of Riddick has the same backstory.
I have a dark headcannon that not only did fairy godmother curse fiona in the first place; but that she's also the instigator of all the evils and misfortunes in Far-Far Away, in order to push herself into the highest postion of power, even over the royal family (much like popes, and bishops of the medieval ages). Her nearly infinate and almost god-like powers means that the ONLY reason she lost was her arrogance and narcassim
So HTTYD is my favorite film series ever and watching this just made me realize something. The Red Death is actually a very good parallel to Stoik (who is kind of a villain himself up until that final battle). Stoik is the leader of the vikings, and though he does seem to care for them and their safety, he is also quite ruthless and puts his own reputation as a strong leader and dragon slayer above his own family. He even goes as far as to disown Hiccup when he reveals he is trying to protect the dragons rather than kill them. I believe that when confronted with the Red Death, Stoik is confronted by his own ruthlessness and poor parenting. Like the Red Death, Stoik has not cared enough for those closest to him. It might be a stretch but you could argue that there is a parallel between how the Red Death consumes other dragons, and how Stoik attempts to consume Hiccup with his ideologies and expectations, wanting to make Hiccup more a part of him than allowing him to become his own person. And this is why after the Red Death is defeated, Stoik becomes a much gentler character and better father.
I really like Kai, but compared to the other two villains, he isn’t the most personal villain to the central characters and given Oogway isn’t in the film for the majority of the time. The impact isn’t fully there.
I love Hal/Titan so much. He takes such a different aspect on villains which I’ve never seen before, which is surprising because like you said people like Hal aren’t too uncommon in the real world. I genuinely didn’t know who was going to win in his final fight with Megamind and it was so exciting to watch!!
8:38 - I can agree but to be fair at least Dr. Zara’s twist was revealed way early on in the movie (specifically the first 30-40 minutes of the film) compared to how Disney does their twist villains (Hans, Callaghan, Bellwether) and revealing their twist during the film’s 3rd act or final 20-30 minutes of the movie.
In my opinion my favourite DreamWorks villain is Ramses because he is not a straightforward villain like other dreamworks for Disney villains are is more realistically flawed and I love that the film shows that he along with Moses aren’t really good or evil or doesn’t really say one is good or one is evil they both are genuine brother still do love each other like Flesh and blood and I love some of the shots to show that Ramses has his mind being changed once Moses rejects his offer it’s really amazing and I love that Ramses is one of the most human villains In dreamworks catalogue
Shen kinda reminds me of Voldemort from Harry Potter. They’re both obsessed with murdering the protagonist and using their power to take over the kingdom, which just leads to their own downfalls.
@@joshuaW5621bruh that connection is shared by most antagonists lol those are the most generic villain traits to share. The two of them aren’t really remotely similar
Eris is my favorite because I love not only her animation but how clever she is. She's not inherently evil but rather just doing her job as a Goddess of Chaos & Discord. She just misunderstands humans & thinks Sinbad is going to stay selfish & not change his way. In the end, she's annoyed but does keep her promise & is actually impressed by Sinbad for having a change of heart
She's very much a Dante lore Lucifer in that way- someone who only sees the worst in others so roots for the worst and tries to expose hypocrisy. Then they have their identity as a source of cold logic and realist pessimism threatened, when some people prove themselves to have good in them, thereby automatically making the Lucifer figure a worse person by comparison.
I love how In the fairy godmothers picture(in the thumbnail), she’s the only one who doesn’t look menacing or have a villainous look while some of the villains like Mukunga or Drago in the thumbnail do…..well Hal’s picture doesn’t look menacing too actually as he’s just smiling.
Okay upon seeing the other Humpty Dumpty examples in CGI I think the Puss in Boots one is BY FAR the least creepy! To me he was actually well designed even BEFORE the other examples.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who felt like Humpty wasn't sympathetic, even as a kid it rubbed the wrong way how the movie basically ignored just how much of a toxic friend he was to Puss, it's just a unintentionally bad message that could've been executed better I do think there could've been 2 ways to make it better. Either 1. Have it where Humpty doesn’t get redeemed. After the final fight Humpty gets arrested and pleads with Puss to let him go, but Puss has realised that Humpty was a toxic friend who was just using him, so he cuts him out of his life for good Or 2. Have it where Humpty generally wants to generally fix his mistakes and wants to be friends with Puss again, but Jack and Jill keep pressuring him go through with the plan. Have it where he's generally remorseful for lying to Puss and you could even have it where after they give the golden eggs to the town, Humpty tries to bring the goose back to its mom, but Jack and Jill betray him and try to steal the goose for themselves Either one you prefer I really hate how they just ignore the fact the Humpty is a terrible person who doesn't get any consequences for his selfishness
My Favorite has to be Death. Death has been the only character in years to be able to actually scare me. Every single time he showed up with that cold hollow whistle put me on edge and I felt like Puss. Every moment was done masterfully and the final battle with him was so cinematic there is a reason when the movie came out he took the internet by storm. I wasn't expecting to go into Puss in Boots The Last Wish (Especially considering the first one) and come out feeling like I just went on a real journey. Every Moment of the movie was 10/10 for me but Death elevated it to above 10/10 somehow in every scene he was in. The small details like he wasn't lying about being there during the giant scene and him slightly scratching the table when Puss says he laughs in the face of Death really showed the effort. From the very first sound of the whistle to walking away with the respect of Puss he had all of my respect as an absolute basically perfect villain for Puss. I agree with everything else though I think I would just move Death to 1. and then that would just put 1-3 down 1 but either way love the list!
36:04 Gladys is very much Titan before Titan. A cartoony caricature at the time that only became more accurate to reality as the years went on. In addition, the speed at which she was able to go from a whiny Karen to an unhinged psycho feels very much in line with real Karens. This just begs the question, did the people at Dreamworks predict the future? 🧐 From kicking Heather down the stairs, to hoping that the animals are taken out as inhumanely as possible while violently shoving her hand in front of Verne’s cage, as well as aggressively pulling and pushing Dwayne around demanding that he kills the animals, to using a weed hacker to try and kill the animals while screeching her death threats at the animals, to even resisting arrest and beating up the cops, it just goes to show how mentally unwell Gladys really is underneath her wealthy exterior. Unfortunately, this type of behavior wouldn’t be too out of the question for real Karens to do.
Knock off the use of the name "Karen" as a description! It's an ACTUAL name that you're using as a negative slang/slur, and it's quite rude to any person with the name. What would a poor kid think if you decided to use their name as an insult? It's insulting/hurtful to people with the name or know someone named Karen whose been a positive influence in their life. The trend of using peoples' names as insults is absolutely ridiculous! Names have more meanings than a dumb fad you know!
I love how in the Captain Underpants book, George and Harold suggested that Prof. Poopypants should've thought of legally changing his name instead of getting rid of laughter.
Tai Lung may not be Lord Shen in terms of firepower being an army of one, but he's so terrifying and sympathetic at the same time. Shifu built him up to be the dragon warrior, only for the role to not be his. And even when he fights destiny and takes what he works for, he finds out there was *nothing*. I don't feel bad for Lord Shen for what he did, but Tai Lung I get so worked up for that I honestly think he should've been given at least some sort of peace. Plus, in a 1 on 1, Tai Lung would BODY Lord Shen
Very rare to see a Jambarequi video gain 24k views in 2 weeks considering the vast majority of his videos that were released in the past 2-5 months ago have only reach to 2.5k to 4K views.
And in fact to me it's a right ranking tbh. Drago is fair more menacing and meaningfull as villain/antagonist who opposes the protagonist. Drago was for Hiccup the definite proof that not everyone can change idea trough reason and being "saved", that some of the people out here are only hopeless and unforgivable villains that have to be stopped in some way. A lot of people prefer Grimmel because he's that "elegant, stylish, composed, clever and manipulative" type of villain that it's fairly easy to like, but sadly he lacks Drago depth
And I’m SO glad somebody did - because Drago, throughout the second movie, not only does a great job of challenging Hiccup’s beliefs, he’s also fucking intimidating and threatening whenever he’s on screen. He literally has the upper hand the entire time until the very climax of the movie. Grimmel is absolutely awful in comparison. The guy lets them get away at the beginning, which MIGHT be a power play… Except he then immediately loses them with like, zero way of actually getting them back. Even the whole Light Fury plot went nowhere (All it did was pull Toothless off to the hidden world which does absolutely NOTHING for his Agenda? He doesn’t track the Light Fury or… Anything?) and literally the ONLY reason he actually catches them in the end is because one of the characters is just so fucking dumb that they lead him straight to them again. All I could think by the end of the movie was “Really? Drago didn’t get between you and Toothless but THIS GUY did???”
Honestly I’d say the giant dragon from the first is better than both of them because it’s at least threatening lol. Drago and grimmel are just so bland and forgettable
@@plugshirt1762Lol At least Drago had cool abilities and design also he had a bewilderbeast and portrayed him as a menacing force that challenges Hiccup to deal with his enemies even tho he's wasted a character arc while Grimmel is worse than him they tried to make him to be more dangerous baddie than Drago but they didn't build enough of him he just Drago 2.0
Cortes really resonates with me because objectively tho he only appears at the beginning and end of the film, it’s enough to show how terrifying he was even in a short span of time. Dreamworks Cortes is not that much different from the real life one. And coming from a family from southern Mexico I can see (and anyone can see with this movie) how modern day Mexico (and all of the countries of the Americas) came about. Tzekel Kan is a great villain but Cortes is an even better one, especially when you know the context of the real life Cortes. Dreamworks did good making him such a constrast compared to the rest of fun loving characters and colorful setting.
@@georgebrankov2143 Are you familiar with the association of the number 4? Some Asian languages share similar pronunciation with that number and the word death: Cue the trope ‘’Four is Death,’’
22:39 This character reminds me of one story I heard that explained the backstory that led to the beast (of Beauty and the Beast) to get cursed. He was cursed by the fairy who raised him when his father was dead and his mother was on the battlefield of a war. Once the war concluded and the prince was a young man, the fairy thought she had earned the love of the prince in a romantic and/or sexual way. When he and his mom refuse for obvious reasons, the fairy gets angry and believes that she is only being rejected because of her looks as she is old and ugly; leading her to curse the prince with equal ugliness. However, it is made very clear that the rejection was because of large age differences, power differences (as one raised the other), and the entitlement of the fairy.
0:18 I’d just like to point out that Chelsea was not originally intended to be the villain and the version of this movie where she isn’t seem so much better
Good ranking,I agree that Don Lino is a pretty good and somewhat underrated villain (even if maybe he declared piece with reef city a little too easily).
@@mantasma9024Lola and Sykes are henchmen at approximately the same level. So if Sykes is not a villain, as a boss who exploits indebted employees in order to make up his own debt, and tortures them if they can't make it up, then immediateky uses public peer pressure and his previous grooming of Oscar as supposedly an idiot, in order to get a high ranking position in Oscar's possee... Then a hot girl who sells information about her ex sugar daddy to the mafia isn't all that much.
I cannot get over Kai’s rank. It’s laughable to see him that low. The guy was a warlord who fought by Oogway’s side and when Oogway was injured, Kai sought out anyone who could heal his brother. What does he find? A village of panda’s to not inly heal his brother, but teach him and Oogway Chi. That is where the divide happens. After a near death experience, Oogway learns the value of life and after he is healed, is taught to give Chi but Kai, a warlord, is taught a power he could use to crush his enemies, perverting a spiritual method used to heal others. That is why Oogway battled Kai, to stop him from becoming a monster. People who have near death experiences tend to change their ways which is why when Oogway decided to give to others and aid them, he became loved and respected even after death but what happened to Kai; he tried to conquer and was eventually forgotten. Yes Shen is the best Kung Fu Panda villain, but I think Kai gets way too much hate. But I get it, opinions and all that. Personally, I would place Kai in the top 15.
When the inevitable Disney villains ranking happens I want him to include even the obscure ones like Arthur the Insecurity Virus, the aliens from Chicken Little, the agent and Dr Calico from Bolt etcetera Also separate Bowler Hat Guy and DOR-15 as two different entries
46:45 Correction, the red death is actually female, and is only a queen-- she only rules over a certain number of dragons, kinda like a queen bee in a bee hive. The real alpha is the bewilderbeast, who actually rules over ALL dragon kind. Ik ik "🤓 um achtully" moment. But hey I love this movie too much--
Here's how you fix Kai. Make it so Oogway was the one that got corrupted by the power of Chi and Kai fought him to stop him. Oogway only becoming the wise kind master he is, after Kai's banishment and realizing that his thirst for power cost him the person he cared the most about (you know kinda like Dumbledore/Iroh). And Oogway then buried that part of his story in shame. So Kai is now bitter that his friend is worshipped as a hero, and he the true hero of their story got forgotten. This would also put the team in an interesting position in having to choose between fixing the mistakes of Oogway's past or defending and upholding his current legacy. It could also tie into the whole "what kind of master you want to be?" question Po is called to answer in the movie.
I know this villain isn't from a DreamWorks movie, but rather a TV show, but Dragons: Race To The Edge villain Viggo is one of the best villains of all time
A few observations although for the most part I agree! - Death has one major problem in my eyes. Puss says "I can't defeat you" but he also absolutely trounces him in a fight at the end. - Tai Lung is my favourite of the KFP villains. He does something Shen does too, only I feel he does it better. He feels remorse. Although I personally feel like Tai's is more justified than Shen's. - Pitch is a character I wish I could perform as, acting wise. While he does act all pantomime villain-y to the other Guardians, his nature to Jack is surprising heartfelt. He only decides to stab Jack in the back when he finally realises he can't get through to him. - Kai may be the weakest KFP villain, but he's far from an actual weak villain as a whole. His powers are unique, his look and sound are powerful, and he has easily my favourite fight choreography in the series.
For the death thing I think they mean that he can’t like fully defeat him like get rid of him (Like for example they defeated the fairy godmother in Shrek 2 and killing her but he only won over death in that one battle yet he’s still out and about) I kinda view this as moments where people have near death experiences but manage to survive them barely. I feel like that moment is ment to represent something like that and when puss says “I know I can’t defeat you” cause he can never really defeat death cause eventually death will still come for him
Just cuz you beat death once doesn’t mean you’re going to always win. Death pretty much is going to win for sure in a battle of attrition. I don’t think a single success guarantees anything, or gets rid of any threat. It’s like telling a former cancer patient they no longer have to fear death, just cus they got rid of their cancer. Puss got in a few hits, whereas the wolf got way more in there, and was self admittedly playing with his food. He’s the only villain that remained a threat permanently. Unlike other villains, like Tai Lung, when they were lost it was fully over. Death was a personal obstacle, and remained one.
you can constantly keep avoiding or defying death, like puss did in all his 8 lives, and the fight at the end but you cant defeat it, it comes for everyone eventually
51:54 If I had a penny (I'm from the UK) every time a Dreamworks had a villain that planned to commit genocide by flooding, I'll have two pennies, which isn't a lot but weird how it's happened twice....I know overdone meme but it sums up the situation.
You know, maybe Chelsea is the millionth twist villain, and I'll admit I was a little disappointed to learn of her true form. But goddammit, she is a *fun* twist villain- the kind that's been sorely missing from animation since...I gotta go all the way back to King Candy. And as for the true form thing, I'll just keep calling her by her fake name. Because I know that fandom don't care; fandom don't give a fuck, and neither should I
I think it goes too far to call Ramses’ and Moses’ father abusive. Seti seemed to be a good father, though much harder of Ramses than Moses. He was kind, forgiving, accepted Moses and loved him and gave him responsibility, and was understandably angry when his sons’ teenage silliness endangered the common man on the street. Which is what gave the reveal of his genocidal actions so much horror and weight. Seti was not an evil man in nature, but was evil in action, much like Ramses himself. Both are very human, personable and even charismatic people. You see why Ramses wants to be like him and why Moses was so destroyed by his father’s dismissal of what had been done to the Hebrews under his orders. Both Seti and Ramses call the Hebrews ‘only slaves’, an attitude Moses himself shares initially as well - but while Moses, after learning of his Hebrew brother and sister and their suffering, eventually undergoes an ideological metamorphosis, his father and brother merely carve out an exception for the one Hebrew they love (and don’t think of as a Hebrew). Seti and Ramses truly love Moses - but rather than allowing that love to challenge their preconceptions and realize that all the Hebrews are human and worthy of love and compassion, they cling to a belief system that makes them superior and their actions always justified. And both end up alone. Seti dies while Moses is in the desert, never being able to reconcile with him, and with Ramses damaged by the weighty words and expectations Seti set on his shoulders. Ramses then loses his son at a young age, becomes estranged from his brother, and at the end of the film is left behind to cry out in rage and loneliness. Thus, both Ramses and Seti demonstrate an aspect of Jewish and Christian faith that is often misunderstood. They were both capable of love, even love of a person from a class they considered beneath them. But God calls people to not just love their family and friends, but all peoples. True love isn’t just a father’s love for a son, but love of people he does not know, or was even raised to despise or dismiss. Love means turning the other cheek to your enemy and ending cycles of violence. Love means forsaking your own sense of righteousness and self-indulgence to care for the least amongst society. And at that, Seti and Ramses failed. If Seti or Ramses were abusive fathers, that would completely undermine that point. Both were good fathers - and that still didn’t make them good people.
I do feel though that the message is somewhat undermined by the fact that Moses is only able to recognize the hebrews as human being when he learns he is one of them so in a sense he is no different than Ramses or his father and would have likely continued down that path. I feel as if it would have been far more powerful if Moses had learned of heritage after his redemption as the way it is now still makes for an amazing story but it hardly shows Moses to have been a better person in any way other than random circumstance
Something worth talking about The Read Death from HTTYD, she (yes, it's a female) doesn't have hypnotic powers, she controls dragons by intimidation alone.
There actually appears to be some sort of pheromone or sound she emits that causes the dragons to flock to her as Toothless seemed to go to the nest as if he was forced.
I feel like galaxar could’ve been a better villain if they maybe had him actually gain some quantionime along with Susan and their could’ve been more of a final battle with them.
The moment i started seeing this list i instantly thought about "how high fairy godmother will be?" And that is to show how great she is as a character
If you intend to do more of these villain rankings at some point, then the animated Sony villains could be fun, since nobodies ever really made a detailed ranking of them, despite there being a lot of solid antagonists in their lineup of movies
Death. I really appreciate his motivation. Having 9 Lives and wasting almost all of them, is a sick joke. So yeah, if I were in death's shoes, I would probably overstep my job too to take care of an arrogant little "hero"
Wasn't past oogway just as bad as kai, it was the panda's that changed oogway's ways making kai believing he was betrayed. (Idk this just my thoughts rambling)
I actually disagree on Fairy Godmother's placement, I think she should've been 4th. Ramses and Shen were both responsible for genocides, and then there's literal Death himself. They all are much more menacing, have a wider ripple effect of damage, and pose more of a threat to the hero. I'm not arguing that she isn't a fabulous Dreamworks villain, but I just can't see her as number 1. She doesn't even try to eliminate Shrek until near the end of the movie.
That's why. She's a villain that's subtle in her ways and doesn't feel the need to try and eliminate the hero until the end. Commiting genocide is cliche and Death isn't really a villain
I like how humpty commented “ hey that was close” when jack and bill was shooting at then, after watching it again, you realize he telling them to be careful and not shoot him
If you look at Kai from Kung Fu Panda again...its not that his friend wouldn't enslave a village wa wa wa, its that Ordway betrayed him. His story basically says Oogway and Kai were warlords together. Brothers in arms. The problem is After the Pandas help, Oogway suddenly decided to grow a conscience and betrayed Kai, throwing away their bond, to help a village he barely knew. The part where Oogway was just as bad as Kai in the past seems to slip past 50% of viewers for some odd reason.
I like how Professor Poopypants would rather enslave the entire world over laughing at this name over...idk...just getting his name legally changed lol
Death is underrated. He's #1 in my book. His whistle is so iconic, it gave me chills when I saw it for the first time, and his presence is legitimately threatening.
Seeing Kai get much lower than mfing Montgomery is an absolute insult. He was certainly the worst Kung Fu Panda villain but he was far from a bad one, and seeing him get beaten by an overweight lawyer from the fucking Bee Movie is heartbreaking.
my favorite part about the kung fu panda series is how they give the antagonists/villains "sob stories" about their past, but all it really goes to show is that all of their trauma and betrayal was their own fault, and that they've been horrible from the beginning
Fun fact: in spanish, Shark Tale was called "El Espantatiburones" (The shark frightener / The shark scarer) and instead of "shark slayer" they called Oscar "Espantatiburones" as well. It's odd because it kinda shifts the movie to focus on Oscar instead of the sharks, which all in all i find more accurate considering the story does revolve around him. Also as per usual, localizations always get toned down in the name for some reason.
The best thing to me about Death in the last wish is he's an endurance hunter. the concept of death will always wait and stay patient and follow everything in their life to try and get them later. plus his using the sickles is just as symbolic of the regular concept of death using a scythe, both a scythe and sickle are a harvesting tool used to reap the harvest but the difference between the two is that a scythe traditionally is used for a broader range of reaping and can harvest more which death does all the time whereas the sickle is traditionally more so used to harvest smaller and more specific focused locations of things. Death in being an endurance hunter of a wolf relentlessly waiting and following no matter the cost to the person using a sickle to specifically make the point that he wants to harvest JUST puss's soul. he doesn't want anyone's soul just puss's so he put down his scythe to use a sickle to focus his harvest down much more than every single person in the movie
I also happened to further think about this too. Most of the shrek series takes place in what I can only imagine as being a fictionalized version of europe. A country that killed off all of their wolves, this not only makes death even more of a tragic but menacing villain by being an animal that's an endurance hunter but also a completely extinct animal in Spain making him not only a great conceptual idea for a death themed character but also fitting since he's an animal that is dead in the real world where the series draws inspiration from. This is also further shown in how much larger compared to puss death happens to be especially because wolves are massive compared to how most people believe
Yeah, but that's in the books. It's not really that well connected to the movie canon, so dismissing it isn't an issue. The tragic hero character arc can be very good, but it was fairly weak in the books, since there wasn't much being build up of him being a hero, for it to all fall apart (plus, he didn't even so much fall as get possessed... which is a pretty uncreative and weak way to go about it, and it takes any potential accountability from him, thus rendering Kozmotis the Mary Sue to Book Pitch's almost anti-sue personality). He was just told to be beloved and whatnot. It has a lot of potential though - that's why I like to explore it -, but the execution was lacking, imo, because in its execution it turns his backstory a weak ploy for sympathy, rather than a genuinely touching backstory. And this general trend of poor execution of good concepts is what, in my mind, brings down the general quality of the book series.
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Im ashamed Nana, the lion butt kicking granny, wasnt ranked higher. She is a feared force of New York
I missed viego from the series tho he definite the best villain
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In 9th grade, my English teacher told us to write about a sympathetic villain in media, and I chose to write about Ramses. He was a fascinating character to dissect and study, which does give me a personal attachment to his character.
A Bible character? Doesn't Christianity portray him as a black-and-white villain with no redeeming qualities?
@@nevaehhamilton3493 I was talking about The Prince of Egypt Ramses, not the Bible Ramses.
Great
@@nevaehhamilton3493watch the prince of Egypt.
@@nevaehhamilton3493I can't recall, but I do think the Bible says the pharaoh before and after Moses leaves is one and the same, rather than father and son like in the film. In any case, his best quality was allowing Moses to be adopted into the royal family.
I don’t think Kai is that bad as of a villain. He manages to be intimidating even with the funny moments he gets, and I consider that he has some of the best fight scenes in the series. Plus, I think people miss the point thinking that he’s supposed to be redeemable. His backstory is supposed to show his lust for power and pettiness, not make you sympathize with him.
I saw Kai at 44 and was sooo confused about his take, you covered it perfectly
yeah, especially when Jack Horner is so great because "he's just meant to be irredeemable and he doesn't have a sob story". Not saying Jack is bad because he isn't. But if Jack is great for being irredeemable, then Kai can't be bad for being irredeemable
I loved the Kung Fu Panda Villains, evev counting Kai as well too.
I think what really kills Kai as a villain for a lot of people is that his connection with Oogway isn't as interesting as Shen and Po or even Tai Lung and Shifu. Po and Shen are literally shown to be two sides of the same coin in how they handle their pasts and grief, and Tai Lung and Shifu in how they deeply affected each other, with Shifu becoming much colder due to Tai Lung's rampage and eventually finding peace in teaching Po to be the true dragon warrior, and Tai Lung being set up so hard for disappointment unintentionally by Shifu that it fucked his whole world up. Oogway and Kai just don't really have anything close to that for a lot of people.
@@thatguysinthecornertooelec3700 I can see that, other than the fact that oogway isn’t present for most the movie. For po and Shen they both battle it out and are have fates colliding. Tai king and shift were both alive and had contact with each other in a key part of the movie but Kai and oogway had it different. Kai isn’t known like shen or tai were and when Kai was a threat, it was where oogway couldn’t be so they couldn’t have that rivalry
The fact that every villain from Puss in Boots 2 made it to the top 10 just shows how incredible the movie is.
Fax.
Technically, there were three. (Unless you count Goldie's team individually, then it be six)
But it's sad at the same time there were no good Dreamworks villains after Death and Jack Horner.
@@jadebeor What about ramses, he was amazing
@@Snowfox8962 that was before those two. Ramses is older movie than jack n death
Kai is definitely the worst when compared to Tai Lung and Lord Shen, but putting him *THAT* low is absolutely criminal
Nah. Kai is stupid as a villain. His rank is acceptable
@@tanandalynch9441 Nah him being below the villain from turbo is atrocious
@@zsan157 Fr like what the hell
To be fair this is his opinion I highly disagree but this is his ranking and his personal opinion on how he would rank the villains.
100% agree, I laughed out loud when the villain from home was above him
DreamWorks villains list
53: Hendricks (Spirit Untamed) 0:36
52: Makunga (Madagascar 2) 1:50
51: Gallaxhar (Monsters v Aliens) 3:35
50: Dr Erwin (Boss baby 2) 5:19
49: Burnish (Abominable) 6:39
48 Dr Zara (Abominable) 8:20
47: The Fossas (Madagascar) 10:03
46: Humpy Dumpty (Puss in Boots) 11:00
45: Prince Charming (Shrek the Third) 13:00
44: Kai (Kung Fu Panda 3) 15:06
43: Captain Smeck (Home) 16:55
42: Nana (Madagascar 2) 19:01
41: Bergen Chef (Trolls) 20:06
40: Spiny Mandrilla (Croods 2) 21:33
39: Zuleika (King of Dreams) 22:42
38: Jack and Jill (Puss in Boots) 23:44
37: Montgomery (Bee Movie) 25:11
36: Prof Marmalade (The Bad Guys) 26:45
35: Dwayne (Over the Hedge) 28:13
34: Guy Gagne (Turbo) 29:55
33: Queen Barb (Trolls 2) 32:02
32: The Colonel (Spirit) 34:07
31: Gladys (Over the Hedge) 36:06
30: Francis Francis (Boss baby) 37:45
29: Conte's (The Road to El Dorado) 39:16
28: Vincent (Over the Hedge) 40:28
27: Edwina (Mr Peabody and Sherman) 42:28
26: Dave (Penguins of Madagascar) 44:27
25: Red Death (How to Train Your Dragon) 46:39
24: Victor (Wallace and Gromit) 48:06
23: The Toad (Flushed Away) 50:13
22: General Mandible (Ants) 51:53
21: Don lino (Shark Tale) 54:09
20: Tzekel-kan (The Road to El Dorado) 56:25
19: Ken (Bee movie) 58:33
18: Prof Poopypants (Captain Underpants) 1:00:13
17: Lord Farquaad (Shrek) 1:01:51
16: Cutter (Ants) 1:04:11
15: Pitch Black (Rise of the Guardians) 1:05:54
14: Rumpelstiltskin (Shrek Forever After) 1:07:38
13: Grimmel (How to Train Your Dragon 3) 1:09:12
12: Mrs Tweedy (Chicken Run) 1:10:44
11: Eris (Sinbad) 1:12:40
10: Captain Dubois (Madagascar 3) 1:14:44
9: Goldilocks and the Bears (Puss in Boots 2) 1:16:06
8: Tai Lung (Kung Fu Panda) 1:18:13
7: Drago (How to Train Your Dragon 2) 1:20:14
6: Jack Horner (Puss in Boots 2) 1:22:01
5: Titan (Megamind) 1:23:45
4: Death (Puss in Boots 2) 1:25:59
3: Lord Shen (Kung Fu Panda 2) 1:27:30
2: Rameses (The Prince of Egypt) 1:30:22
1: Fairy Godmother (Shrek 2) 1:32:51
thanks bro. you are truly, one of the realest ones.
Missing villains of dreamworks queen nerissa/chelsea van der zee from Ruby Gillman
Thank you so much
@@TheArtrentinThey said at the beginning that she wouldn’t be ranked because they didn’t see that film
And missing villains velvet and veneer from trolls 3 band together
I’m so glad that Eris got placed as high as she did. She’s so entertainingly evil and beautifully animated.
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And she’s beautiful
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and she's the goddess of DISCORD
Ah, and by the end, we’ve got some truly fantastic characters. When Dreamworks is on its game, they’re amazing. Titan/Tighten was ahead of his time…but also, sadly, timeless.
and given the way Jonah Hill has been acting recently, somewhat prophetic too
I think kai had strong potential, mostly wasted because of the film having badly timed jokes and being far less mature and meaningful than the first 2, but i think his backstory makes sense if you interpret it as him and oogway being warlords, but oogway had a change of heart and wanted to redeem himself after recieving selfless help from others
Exactly. Plus it's kind of sad to see that Oogway really wanted to save him, but just couldn't since Kai's grey area arc with Oogway turned to evil when Oogway "betrayed" him after he saved his life.
How is Kai a worse villain than Captain Shmeck.
Kai was criminally low considering his incredible design, amazing voice acting by JK simons and how he perfectly mirriors the way po achieves his mastery of chi with kia taking it and po being given it by those he inspired. Pair that with an incredibly unique fighting style astetic and one of the greatest villain musical themes of all time I feel like you have a pretty great villian in my opinion. I do agree his back story is a bit weak as it is implied that Ogway was the one who had the change of heart not Kai but its really vage and quite generic making him easily the weakest in the trillogy but half the charters on the list have a way worse back story or no back story at all.
Anyway just my opinoins Still an amazing video though loved it.
Smek was a asshole!
Yea I agree he definitely is a good villain nothing phenomenal but he’s still good! So why the hell is he the 10th worst villain
His backstory isn't weak. It's just weaker than Tai Lung's.
Agree, this video sleeps on him too much
@@addictedtofauna3838 Fair.
I do wish they spent more time on it, especially because the art style they use for that scene gose so freaking hard but the scene is so short.
Another Fun Fact about the Colonel is that, he is voice by James Cromwell, who would later go on to voice Robert Callaghan in Big Hero 6.
that was his-
Insert Schaffrillas joke here.
James Cromwell...excellent character actor! Love him
He then returned in the series as well
EXCUSE ME??
I don't disagree that Fairy Godmother deserved #1, but there's something so goddamn funny about a comedic villain beating out three of the most serious and dark villains in Dreamworks' entire catalogue.
I feel like the fact that dreamworks can produce those 3 villans and also say "ok yeah they're good, fairy godmother time" and she's even better speaks quite well to this studio as a whole lmao
I actually felt for Ramses, sure he’s not innocent, but losing your son to a deadly spirit (even though I have no kids) is a depressing thought and I almost cried along with him. Also wasn’t his heart hardened, meaning god made it so that it would be less likely for him to let Moses’s people go? Maybe if he didn’t he’d listen and obey earlier…
1:30:23 me too.
It’s tragic, even in the Bible god comes off as really fucking wicked. The pharaoh was even hardened in the heart by god before the story, meaning he was hardened TWO TIMES. It was the final straw that made me leave Christianity.
@@TalpaTulpaI mean I can't make you believe in God or Christianity but rameses brought that upon himself because he was warned many times by Moses what would happen if he didn't let the Hebrews go literally he was given every opportunity to let the Hebrews go and to cease God's plagues and he chose to ignore the warning due to his own pride and arrogance
@@commander5289 no he wasn’t, the pharaoh was also hardened before the story took place
@@TalpaTulpawhat do you mean by that? seti was a pharoh who was enslaving the Hebrew and who orderd to have the Hebrew children taken away from their mothers and to have them killed what do you mean by his heart was hardened?
Glad that my two favorite DreamWorks villains (Death and Lord Shen) both got in the top five. For my own notes on them:
Death is fun because he's not a villain in the traditional sense, but more a manifestation of Puss' fear for his last life. When he finally faces Death is the point that Puss proves that he's willing to face his mortality instead of running from it. If you think about it, Death kind of wins because the old, "gambles with his life" Puss is effectively "dead" and replaced by a new, better version of himself. "But that man's long gone now" is a very fitting line.
As for Shen, what most fascinates me about him is his parallels with Po, especially at the end. Po finally defeats Shen when he moves on from the past and obtains inner peace. Unlike a lot of villains, in his final moments Shen doesn't scream out in terror or try to move out of the way as his cannon comes down on him... If anything, Shen actually looks calm in his last moments. In a way, death is the thing that finally brings Shen his own inner peace.
Also I just realized that both of my favorite DreamWorks villains have Death as their major theme (heck, white is the color of death in Chinese culture, which is why Shen being albino is so important to his theming)
Late to this but I would definitely say death *100%* is a villain. Taking puss' life is not part of is his job. He is doing it purely out of personal contempt.
One thing about Kai I’ve heard people theorize that makes a lot of sense is that when him and Oogway were comrades they were actually warlords and conquerors together. In the panda village Oogway had a change of heart by learning to give instead of take and that’s why Kai felt betrayed. This makes so much sense and makes his connection to Oogway more interesting, really wish they emphasized this in the movie.
This is not a theory, that is literally in the movie.
@@925263 It’s sort of implied, but the movie doesn’t really confirm whether they were evil or not, it just says they lead an army
Pitch Black is my favorite villain. His name is a fun play on word, his voice is scary, his design is unique, he's smart and manipulative. I understand why he's jealous of the guardians, i even feel a bit sad for him. No one can see him, it's like he doesn't exist that's awful! I also find it funny that his dreams are butterflies. Despite being a spooky adult who likes to terrorise humans, he has a soft side. It's cute 😊Maybe Pitch is not as bad as we though.
Absolutely. It's clear that Jude Law gave him his best and it's great. Pitch deserves so much raises!
His nightmares are also a play on words, though the play on words only works in English, I suppose.
I don't really like his attire - I think it looks bland and doesn't express any of his personality and also isn't all that practical, but I love the design of his nightmares. They're superior to the dream unicorns to me.
I find it a bit sad that his dreams are butterflies. One reading might be that he is fragile, and also, butterflies can sometimes be associated with death and other things. The other could be in relation to the book canon - which, tbf the movie doesn't really fit with - in which he has a daughter that becomes Mother Nature.
He's also very a force of nature - since he represents fear -, so he's really just doing his job. Maybe not as well as he could do, but then, unlike Jack he didn't even get guidance from the moon, it seems. Then again, even Jack's guidance from the moon was limited.
He's definitely a jerk, but one I can't help but pity.
Looking into the books he is also a tragedy.
Compared to other dreamworks villains he's one of those villains who we can feel both love to hate and sympathetic. And he also had tons of charisma throughout the movie
I genuinely forgot how much fun Dave was as a villain.
John Malkovich is such an oddball casting choice, but his voice works so well it rides between being funny and creepy.
I always assumed the warrior of black and white destined to kill Shen was…Shen.
It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Shen never knew about the prophecy, he wouldn't have attacked the pandas in the first place. If he never attacked the pandas, Po likely would never have even become the Dragon Warrior, and would never have defeated Shen. It's hard to know what would have happened if he was never told the prophecy.
Oddly enough, Chronicles of Riddick has the same backstory.
I have a dark headcannon that not only did fairy godmother curse fiona in the first place; but that she's also the instigator of all the evils and misfortunes in Far-Far Away, in order to push herself into the highest postion of power, even over the royal family (much like popes, and bishops of the medieval ages). Her nearly infinate and almost god-like powers means that the ONLY reason she lost was her arrogance and narcassim
So HTTYD is my favorite film series ever and watching this just made me realize something.
The Red Death is actually a very good parallel to Stoik (who is kind of a villain himself up until that final battle). Stoik is the leader of the vikings, and though he does seem to care for them and their safety, he is also quite ruthless and puts his own reputation as a strong leader and dragon slayer above his own family. He even goes as far as to disown Hiccup when he reveals he is trying to protect the dragons rather than kill them. I believe that when confronted with the Red Death, Stoik is confronted by his own ruthlessness and poor parenting. Like the Red Death, Stoik has not cared enough for those closest to him. It might be a stretch but you could argue that there is a parallel between how the Red Death consumes other dragons, and how Stoik attempts to consume Hiccup with his ideologies and expectations, wanting to make Hiccup more a part of him than allowing him to become his own person. And this is why after the Red Death is defeated, Stoik becomes a much gentler character and better father.
I really like Kai, but compared to the other two villains, he isn’t the most personal villain to the central characters and given Oogway isn’t in the film for the majority of the time. The impact isn’t fully there.
1:01:45 Oh gosh, you’re right. Captain Underpants IS a himbo! No wonder he’s so endearing. 😂
I didn't even know there was a spirit remake, that right away hit me by surprise.
I love Hal/Titan so much. He takes such a different aspect on villains which I’ve never seen before, which is surprising because like you said people like Hal aren’t too uncommon in the real world. I genuinely didn’t know who was going to win in his final fight with Megamind and it was so exciting to watch!!
8:38 - I can agree but to be fair at least Dr. Zara’s twist was revealed way early on in the movie (specifically the first 30-40 minutes of the film) compared to how Disney does their twist villains (Hans, Callaghan, Bellwether) and revealing their twist during the film’s 3rd act or final 20-30 minutes of the movie.
True she, Marmalade and Pixar's twist villains are better twist villains than Disney's twist villains
In my opinion my favourite DreamWorks villain is Ramses because he is not a straightforward villain like other dreamworks for Disney villains are is more realistically flawed and I love that the film shows that he along with Moses aren’t really good or evil or doesn’t really say one is good or one is evil they both are genuine brother still do love each other like Flesh and blood and I love some of the shots to show that Ramses has his mind being changed once Moses rejects his offer it’s really amazing and I love that Ramses is one of the most human villains In dreamworks catalogue
Ramses, Lord Shen and Death are my favorite villains from my favorite movies of this studio.
Shen kinda reminds me of Voldemort from Harry Potter. They’re both obsessed with murdering the protagonist and using their power to take over the kingdom, which just leads to their own downfalls.
@@joshuaW5621bruh that connection is shared by most antagonists lol those are the most generic villain traits to share. The two of them aren’t really remotely similar
@@plugshirt1762 if that’s the case then I dare you to list other villains that have similar traits.
Agreed
Eris is my favorite because I love not only her animation but how clever she is. She's not inherently evil but rather just doing her job as a Goddess of Chaos & Discord. She just misunderstands humans & thinks Sinbad is going to stay selfish & not change his way. In the end, she's annoyed but does keep her promise & is actually impressed by Sinbad for having a change of heart
She's very much a Dante lore Lucifer in that way- someone who only sees the worst in others so roots for the worst and tries to expose hypocrisy. Then they have their identity as a source of cold logic and realist pessimism threatened, when some people prove themselves to have good in them, thereby automatically making the Lucifer figure a worse person by comparison.
I feel like Stoick in the first movie should've counted as a villain. He did have a redemption arc but I feel he is an antagonist in the first.
I love how In the fairy godmothers picture(in the thumbnail), she’s the only one who doesn’t look menacing or have a villainous look while some of the villains like Mukunga or Drago in the thumbnail do…..well Hal’s picture doesn’t look menacing too actually as he’s just smiling.
Did anyone else notice that Jack Horner has the same name as a certain palaeontologist who once claimed that Tyrannosaurus rex was a scavenger?
Jack Horner is based on a nursery rhyme of the same name.
The rhyme is about opportunism and greed.
He wasn’t based on palaeontologists or anything.
@@HB-fq9nn I know, but it’s a pretty funny coincidence.
I’m glad that Professor PoopyPants was ranked higher up than others
The movie also implied that Poopypants has experimented on children’s brains before
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Okay upon seeing the other Humpty Dumpty examples in CGI I think the Puss in Boots one is BY FAR the least creepy! To me he was actually well designed even BEFORE the other examples.
I thought the rabbit from hoodwinked looked creepy
I want you to rank Disney's villains, it would be fun. Please Jambareeqi
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who felt like Humpty wasn't sympathetic, even as a kid it rubbed the wrong way how the movie basically ignored just how much of a toxic friend he was to Puss, it's just a unintentionally bad message that could've been executed better
I do think there could've been 2 ways to make it better. Either 1. Have it where Humpty doesn’t get redeemed. After the final fight Humpty gets arrested and pleads with Puss to let him go, but Puss has realised that Humpty was a toxic friend who was just using him, so he cuts him out of his life for good
Or 2. Have it where Humpty generally wants to generally fix his mistakes and wants to be friends with Puss again, but Jack and Jill keep pressuring him go through with the plan. Have it where he's generally remorseful for lying to Puss and you could even have it where after they give the golden eggs to the town, Humpty tries to bring the goose back to its mom, but Jack and Jill betray him and try to steal the goose for themselves
Either one you prefer I really hate how they just ignore the fact the Humpty is a terrible person who doesn't get any consequences for his selfishness
Yeah because I would compare him to Harry Osborn in both Spider-Man movies and it why I prefer the Dog in the sequel and Damien Anderson from Creed 3
My Favorite has to be Death. Death has been the only character in years to be able to actually scare me. Every single time he showed up with that cold hollow whistle put me on edge and I felt like Puss. Every moment was done masterfully and the final battle with him was so cinematic there is a reason when the movie came out he took the internet by storm. I wasn't expecting to go into Puss in Boots The Last Wish (Especially considering the first one) and come out feeling like I just went on a real journey. Every Moment of the movie was 10/10 for me but Death elevated it to above 10/10 somehow in every scene he was in. The small details like he wasn't lying about being there during the giant scene and him slightly scratching the table when Puss says he laughs in the face of Death really showed the effort. From the very first sound of the whistle to walking away with the respect of Puss he had all of my respect as an absolute basically perfect villain for Puss. I agree with everything else though I think I would just move Death to 1. and then that would just put 1-3 down 1 but either way love the list!
36:04 Gladys is very much Titan before Titan. A cartoony caricature at the time that only became more accurate to reality as the years went on. In addition, the speed at which she was able to go from a whiny Karen to an unhinged psycho feels very much in line with real Karens. This just begs the question, did the people at Dreamworks predict the future? 🧐
From kicking Heather down the stairs, to hoping that the animals are taken out as inhumanely as possible while violently shoving her hand in front of Verne’s cage, as well as aggressively pulling and pushing Dwayne around demanding that he kills the animals, to using a weed hacker to try and kill the animals while screeching her death threats at the animals, to even resisting arrest and beating up the cops, it just goes to show how mentally unwell Gladys really is underneath her wealthy exterior. Unfortunately, this type of behavior wouldn’t be too out of the question for real Karens to do.
Rooting a villain within human psychology will make them timeless, and will sometimes help illustrate tendencies unnamed at the time.
Knock off the use of the name "Karen" as a description! It's an ACTUAL name that you're using as a negative slang/slur, and it's quite rude to any person with the name. What would a poor kid think if you decided to use their name as an insult? It's insulting/hurtful to people with the name or know someone named Karen whose been a positive influence in their life. The trend of using peoples' names as insults is absolutely ridiculous! Names have more meanings than a dumb fad you know!
I love how in the Captain Underpants book, George and Harold suggested that Prof. Poopypants should've thought of legally changing his name instead of getting rid of laughter.
Tai Lung may not be Lord Shen in terms of firepower being an army of one, but he's so terrifying and sympathetic at the same time. Shifu built him up to be the dragon warrior, only for the role to not be his. And even when he fights destiny and takes what he works for, he finds out there was *nothing*. I don't feel bad for Lord Shen for what he did, but Tai Lung I get so worked up for that I honestly think he should've been given at least some sort of peace.
Plus, in a 1 on 1, Tai Lung would BODY Lord Shen
it just occurred to me that Grimmel is basically a kid-friendly Hans Landa from Inglorious Basterds
I thought he is what Hiccup would have become if he killed Toothless
@@srstriker6420Yes, he's basically Hiccup what if he killed Toothless in the first place
Very rare to see a Jambarequi video gain 24k views in 2 weeks considering the vast majority of his videos that were released in the past 2-5 months ago have only reach to 2.5k to 4K views.
Dubuois is a purely insane woman who makes an amazing villain and i will stand by that fact forever
I’m actually SHOCKED that you ranked Drago ABOVE Grimmel.
Literally NOBODY ELSE does. Interesting take my guy!
And in fact to me it's a right ranking tbh.
Drago is fair more menacing and meaningfull as villain/antagonist who opposes the protagonist.
Drago was for Hiccup the definite proof that not everyone can change idea trough reason and being "saved", that some of the people out here are only hopeless and unforgivable villains that have to be stopped in some way.
A lot of people prefer Grimmel because he's that "elegant, stylish, composed, clever and manipulative" type of villain that it's fairly easy to like, but sadly he lacks Drago depth
And I’m SO glad somebody did - because Drago, throughout the second movie, not only does a great job of challenging Hiccup’s beliefs, he’s also fucking intimidating and threatening whenever he’s on screen. He literally has the upper hand the entire time until the very climax of the movie.
Grimmel is absolutely awful in comparison. The guy lets them get away at the beginning, which MIGHT be a power play… Except he then immediately loses them with like, zero way of actually getting them back. Even the whole Light Fury plot went nowhere (All it did was pull Toothless off to the hidden world which does absolutely NOTHING for his Agenda? He doesn’t track the Light Fury or… Anything?) and literally the ONLY reason he actually catches them in the end is because one of the characters is just so fucking dumb that they lead him straight to them again.
All I could think by the end of the movie was “Really? Drago didn’t get between you and Toothless but THIS GUY did???”
Honestly I’d say the giant dragon from the first is better than both of them because it’s at least threatening lol. Drago and grimmel are just so bland and forgettable
@@plugshirt1762Lol At least Drago had cool abilities and design also he had a bewilderbeast and portrayed him as a menacing force that challenges Hiccup to deal with his enemies even tho he's wasted a character arc while Grimmel is worse than him they tried to make him to be more dangerous baddie than Drago but they didn't build enough of him he just Drago 2.0
Cortes really resonates with me because objectively tho he only appears at the beginning and end of the film, it’s enough to show how terrifying he was even in a short span of time. Dreamworks Cortes is not that much different from the real life one. And coming from a family from southern Mexico I can see (and anyone can see with this movie) how modern day Mexico (and all of the countries of the Americas) came about. Tzekel Kan is a great villain but Cortes is an even better one, especially when you know the context of the real life Cortes. Dreamworks did good making him such a constrast compared to the rest of fun loving characters and colorful setting.
How fitting to give Death the fourth place
Is he even a villain? Compared to Jack Horner Death at least is sympathetic/you can see why he's so mad at Puss
@@chloenieuwsma4846 He is a Villainy-Free Anti Villain
@@chloenieuwsma4846 he is
@@AskmolnetNah. He's one of the best villains ever made in DreamWorks.
@@georgebrankov2143
Are you familiar with the association of the number 4?
Some Asian languages share similar pronunciation with that number and the word death: Cue the trope ‘’Four is Death,’’
*I’m so glad you added over the hedge villains into your video. It’s my childhood and still my favorite to this day and I’m 17 years old*
"I'm sure how self-aware dreamworks is about the similarities"
also dreamworks: *literally created to spite walt disney himself*
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A few forms of media did this exact suggestion. My favorite of these is NSR, which has the protagonists as rock artists vs an edm corporation.
I think it sucks most people sleep on DreamWorks's Villains because they can be the most evil and entertaining villains in all of Cinema
22:39 This character reminds me of one story I heard that explained the backstory that led to the beast (of Beauty and the Beast) to get cursed. He was cursed by the fairy who raised him when his father was dead and his mother was on the battlefield of a war. Once the war concluded and the prince was a young man, the fairy thought she had earned the love of the prince in a romantic and/or sexual way. When he and his mom refuse for obvious reasons, the fairy gets angry and believes that she is only being rejected because of her looks as she is old and ugly; leading her to curse the prince with equal ugliness. However, it is made very clear that the rejection was because of large age differences, power differences (as one raised the other), and the entitlement of the fairy.
Jesus fucking Christ that is *dark* 😭
0:18 I’d just like to point out that Chelsea was not originally intended to be the villain and the version of this movie where she isn’t seem so much better
How you know?
@@Ztrotex the original storyboards so as such
Good ranking,I agree that Don Lino is a pretty good and somewhat underrated villain (even if maybe he declared piece with reef city a little too easily).
Lola was left off the list
@@mantasma9024Lola and Sykes are henchmen at approximately the same level. So if Sykes is not a villain, as a boss who exploits indebted employees in order to make up his own debt, and tortures them if they can't make it up, then immediateky uses public peer pressure and his previous grooming of Oscar as supposedly an idiot, in order to get a high ranking position in Oscar's possee... Then a hot girl who sells information about her ex sugar daddy to the mafia isn't all that much.
Considering that the twist villain from Turbo is above the Verminator, I hope Schaffrillas doesn’t watch this video.
Well, Schaffrillas has stated on multiple occasions that he likes it when people have different opinions from him, so I think he'd be ok with this
@@WolfRider2002 It was a joke.
lord shen will always be, in my opinion, THE DreamWorks villain and is still my all time favourite animated villain
I cannot get over Kai’s rank. It’s laughable to see him that low.
The guy was a warlord who fought by Oogway’s side and when Oogway was injured, Kai sought out anyone who could heal his brother. What does he find? A village of panda’s to not inly heal his brother, but teach him and Oogway Chi. That is where the divide happens.
After a near death experience, Oogway learns the value of life and after he is healed, is taught to give Chi but Kai, a warlord, is taught a power he could use to crush his enemies, perverting a spiritual method used to heal others.
That is why Oogway battled Kai, to stop him from becoming a monster. People who have near death experiences tend to change their ways which is why when Oogway decided to give to others and aid them, he became loved and respected even after death but what happened to Kai; he tried to conquer and was eventually forgotten.
Yes Shen is the best Kung Fu Panda villain, but I think Kai gets way too much hate.
But I get it, opinions and all that. Personally, I would place Kai in the top 15.
Dreamworks is my favourite animation studio and I think they have alot of great villains.
"He's a criminal gangster but a family man through and through." That's an Italian Mob Boss in one sentence.
When the inevitable Disney villains ranking happens I want him to include even the obscure ones like Arthur the Insecurity Virus, the aliens from Chicken Little, the agent and Dr Calico from Bolt etcetera
Also separate Bowler Hat Guy and DOR-15 as two different entries
46:45
Correction, the red death is actually female, and is only a queen-- she only rules over a certain number of dragons, kinda like a queen bee in a bee hive.
The real alpha is the bewilderbeast, who actually rules over ALL dragon kind.
Ik ik "🤓 um achtully" moment. But hey I love this movie too much--
Here's how you fix Kai. Make it so Oogway was the one that got corrupted by the power of Chi and Kai fought him to stop him. Oogway only becoming the wise kind master he is, after Kai's banishment and realizing that his thirst for power cost him the person he cared the most about (you know kinda like Dumbledore/Iroh). And Oogway then buried that part of his story in shame. So Kai is now bitter that his friend is worshipped as a hero, and he the true hero of their story got forgotten.
This would also put the team in an interesting position in having to choose between fixing the mistakes of Oogway's past or defending and upholding his current legacy.
It could also tie into the whole "what kind of master you want to be?" question Po is called to answer in the movie.
I know this villain isn't from a DreamWorks movie, but rather a TV show, but Dragons: Race To The Edge villain Viggo is one of the best villains of all time
wait did we all share a braincell and just wanted to see where the Verminator ends up?
A few observations although for the most part I agree!
- Death has one major problem in my eyes. Puss says "I can't defeat you" but he also absolutely trounces him in a fight at the end.
- Tai Lung is my favourite of the KFP villains. He does something Shen does too, only I feel he does it better. He feels remorse. Although I personally feel like Tai's is more justified than Shen's.
- Pitch is a character I wish I could perform as, acting wise. While he does act all pantomime villain-y to the other Guardians, his nature to Jack is surprising heartfelt. He only decides to stab Jack in the back when he finally realises he can't get through to him.
- Kai may be the weakest KFP villain, but he's far from an actual weak villain as a whole. His powers are unique, his look and sound are powerful, and he has easily my favourite fight choreography in the series.
For the death thing I think they mean that he can’t like fully defeat him like get rid of him (Like for example they defeated the fairy godmother in Shrek 2 and killing her but he only won over death in that one battle yet he’s still out and about) I kinda view this as moments where people have near death experiences but manage to survive them barely. I feel like that moment is ment to represent something like that and when puss says “I know I can’t defeat you” cause he can never really defeat death cause eventually death will still come for him
Just cuz you beat death once doesn’t mean you’re going to always win. Death pretty much is going to win for sure in a battle of attrition. I don’t think a single success guarantees anything, or gets rid of any threat. It’s like telling a former cancer patient they no longer have to fear death, just cus they got rid of their cancer. Puss got in a few hits, whereas the wolf got way more in there, and was self admittedly playing with his food. He’s the only villain that remained a threat permanently. Unlike other villains, like Tai Lung, when they were lost it was fully over. Death was a personal obstacle, and remained one.
you can constantly keep avoiding or defying death, like puss did in all his 8 lives, and the fight at the end
but you cant defeat it, it comes for everyone eventually
Kai also has a pretty interesting story with oogway
When do Tai Lung and Shen feel remorse?
51:54 If I had a penny (I'm from the UK) every time a Dreamworks had a villain that planned to commit genocide by flooding, I'll have two pennies, which isn't a lot but weird how it's happened twice....I know overdone meme but it sums up the situation.
The moment I heard dingleberries, I knew what THAT meant.
55:18
“What did I ever do to you?!”
YOU EAT PEOPLE!
I agree that metalheads are unfairly demonized some of my best friends are metalheads
I guess this guy owes Kai an apology now after seeing The Chameleon
We'll see
You know, maybe Chelsea is the millionth twist villain, and I'll admit I was a little disappointed to learn of her true form. But goddammit, she is a *fun* twist villain- the kind that's been sorely missing from animation since...I gotta go all the way back to King Candy. And as for the true form thing, I'll just keep calling her by her fake name. Because I know that fandom don't care; fandom don't give a fuck, and neither should I
Wow I-…. I never realized how similar Scar and Mukunga were. And I used to LOVE the 2nd Madagascar AND The Lion King
" you're not going to shoot a puppy, are ya? "
"Yeah in the face, watch" - Jack
I think it goes too far to call Ramses’ and Moses’ father abusive. Seti seemed to be a good father, though much harder of Ramses than Moses. He was kind, forgiving, accepted Moses and loved him and gave him responsibility, and was understandably angry when his sons’ teenage silliness endangered the common man on the street.
Which is what gave the reveal of his genocidal actions so much horror and weight. Seti was not an evil man in nature, but was evil in action, much like Ramses himself. Both are very human, personable and even charismatic people. You see why Ramses wants to be like him and why Moses was so destroyed by his father’s dismissal of what had been done to the Hebrews under his orders. Both Seti and Ramses call the Hebrews ‘only slaves’, an attitude Moses himself shares initially as well - but while Moses, after learning of his Hebrew brother and sister and their suffering, eventually undergoes an ideological metamorphosis, his father and brother merely carve out an exception for the one Hebrew they love (and don’t think of as a Hebrew). Seti and Ramses truly love Moses - but rather than allowing that love to challenge their preconceptions and realize that all the Hebrews are human and worthy of love and compassion, they cling to a belief system that makes them superior and their actions always justified. And both end up alone. Seti dies while Moses is in the desert, never being able to reconcile with him, and with Ramses damaged by the weighty words and expectations Seti set on his shoulders. Ramses then loses his son at a young age, becomes estranged from his brother, and at the end of the film is left behind to cry out in rage and loneliness.
Thus, both Ramses and Seti demonstrate an aspect of Jewish and Christian faith that is often misunderstood. They were both capable of love, even love of a person from a class they considered beneath them. But God calls people to not just love their family and friends, but all peoples. True love isn’t just a father’s love for a son, but love of people he does not know, or was even raised to despise or dismiss. Love means turning the other cheek to your enemy and ending cycles of violence. Love means forsaking your own sense of righteousness and self-indulgence to care for the least amongst society. And at that, Seti and Ramses failed.
If Seti or Ramses were abusive fathers, that would completely undermine that point. Both were good fathers - and that still didn’t make them good people.
I do feel though that the message is somewhat undermined by the fact that Moses is only able to recognize the hebrews as human being when he learns he is one of them so in a sense he is no different than Ramses or his father and would have likely continued down that path. I feel as if it would have been far more powerful if Moses had learned of heritage after his redemption as the way it is now still makes for an amazing story but it hardly shows Moses to have been a better person in any way other than random circumstance
Something worth talking about The Read Death from HTTYD, she (yes, it's a female) doesn't have hypnotic powers, she controls dragons by intimidation alone.
There actually appears to be some sort of pheromone or sound she emits that causes the dragons to flock to her as Toothless seemed to go to the nest as if he was forced.
Not gonna lie this video deserves a remake because of all the villains that came
@@Nabnab_TheTwistedOne True The newer ones were pretty bad ngl
I feel like galaxar could’ve been a better villain if they maybe had him actually gain some quantionime along with Susan and their could’ve been more of a final battle with them.
In Makonga’s defense: he is extremely funny to watch on screen. I’m only 3 minutes in but I love this mans
“There’s something unique about a villainous chef”
Ogre Kingdoms from Warhammer:
42:16 look closely at Vincent because he’s trying to fit his hand into the Pringles can
The moment i started seeing this list i instantly thought about "how high fairy godmother will be?" And that is to show how great she is as a character
If you intend to do more of these villain rankings at some point, then the animated Sony villains could be fun, since nobodies ever really made a detailed ranking of them, despite there being a lot of solid antagonists in their lineup of movies
Death.
I really appreciate his motivation.
Having 9 Lives and wasting almost all of them, is a sick joke.
So yeah, if I were in death's shoes, I would probably overstep my job too to take care of an arrogant little "hero"
I like the implication based on the chapters cutting off that Ken just dominates the rest of the video.
Wasn't past oogway just as bad as kai, it was the panda's that changed oogway's ways making kai believing he was betrayed.
(Idk this just my thoughts rambling)
I actually disagree on Fairy Godmother's placement, I think she should've been 4th. Ramses and Shen were both responsible for genocides, and then there's literal Death himself. They all are much more menacing, have a wider ripple effect of damage, and pose more of a threat to the hero. I'm not arguing that she isn't a fabulous Dreamworks villain, but I just can't see her as number 1. She doesn't even try to eliminate Shrek until near the end of the movie.
That's why. She's a villain that's subtle in her ways and doesn't feel the need to try and eliminate the hero until the end. Commiting genocide is cliche and Death isn't really a villain
@@tanandalynch9441 Bruh you called committing genocide is cliche...
Man, I forgot how awesome Christopher Walken and Gene Hackman both were in Antz. Great job putting this monster of a video together.
Loved This Video Jambareeqi!
I like how humpty commented “ hey that was close” when jack and bill was shooting at then, after watching it again, you realize he telling them to be careful and not shoot him
If you look at Kai from Kung Fu Panda again...its not that his friend wouldn't enslave a village wa wa wa, its that Ordway betrayed him. His story basically says Oogway and Kai were warlords together. Brothers in arms. The problem is After the Pandas help, Oogway suddenly decided to grow a conscience and betrayed Kai, throwing away their bond, to help a village he barely knew.
The part where Oogway was just as bad as Kai in the past seems to slip past 50% of viewers for some odd reason.
14:04 to be fair, shrek is quite the roast master.
Never in my life I've seen someone give Shark Tale some praise. And I've like it as a kid.
I like how Professor Poopypants would rather enslave the entire world over laughing at this name over...idk...just getting his name legally changed lol
Death is underrated. He's #1 in my book. His whistle is so iconic, it gave me chills when I saw it for the first time, and his presence is legitimately threatening.
I love how he starts with like 5 bad villians and then instead of from bad to good it went from good to amazing
Seeing Kai get much lower than mfing Montgomery is an absolute insult. He was certainly the worst Kung Fu Panda villain but he was far from a bad one, and seeing him get beaten by an overweight lawyer from the fucking Bee Movie is heartbreaking.
my favorite part about the kung fu panda series is how they give the antagonists/villains "sob stories" about their past, but all it really goes to show is that all of their trauma and betrayal was their own fault, and that they've been horrible from the beginning
Fun fact:
in spanish, Shark Tale was called "El Espantatiburones" (The shark frightener / The shark scarer) and instead of "shark slayer" they called Oscar "Espantatiburones" as well.
It's odd because it kinda shifts the movie to focus on Oscar instead of the sharks, which all in all i find more accurate considering the story does revolve around him.
Also as per usual, localizations always get toned down in the name for some reason.
That goes for the Dutch version as well, in which both the title of the film and Oscar's title are made to be "De haaiensnaaier" (The shark snitch)
37:39 the guy in the back calling her crazy is great
The best thing to me about Death in the last wish is he's an endurance hunter. the concept of death will always wait and stay patient and follow everything in their life to try and get them later. plus his using the sickles is just as symbolic of the regular concept of death using a scythe, both a scythe and sickle are a harvesting tool used to reap the harvest but the difference between the two is that a scythe traditionally is used for a broader range of reaping and can harvest more which death does all the time whereas the sickle is traditionally more so used to harvest smaller and more specific focused locations of things. Death in being an endurance hunter of a wolf relentlessly waiting and following no matter the cost to the person using a sickle to specifically make the point that he wants to harvest JUST puss's soul. he doesn't want anyone's soul just puss's so he put down his scythe to use a sickle to focus his harvest down much more than every single person in the movie
I also happened to further think about this too. Most of the shrek series takes place in what I can only imagine as being a fictionalized version of europe. A country that killed off all of their wolves, this not only makes death even more of a tragic but menacing villain by being an animal that's an endurance hunter but also a completely extinct animal in Spain making him not only a great conceptual idea for a death themed character but also fitting since he's an animal that is dead in the real world where the series draws inspiration from. This is also further shown in how much larger compared to puss death happens to be especially because wolves are massive compared to how most people believe
Pitch also has a tragic backstory where he once was a good person and a father but fell to darkness
Where did you heard this?
I'm pretty sure that the movie doesn't mention this...
Is this some sort of fandom headcanon?
@@tylregor5481probably the book this movie is based on
Yeah, but that's in the books. It's not really that well connected to the movie canon, so dismissing it isn't an issue.
The tragic hero character arc can be very good, but it was fairly weak in the books, since there wasn't much being build up of him being a hero, for it to all fall apart (plus, he didn't even so much fall as get possessed... which is a pretty uncreative and weak way to go about it, and it takes any potential accountability from him, thus rendering Kozmotis the Mary Sue to Book Pitch's almost anti-sue personality). He was just told to be beloved and whatnot. It has a lot of potential though - that's why I like to explore it -, but the execution was lacking, imo, because in its execution it turns his backstory a weak ploy for sympathy, rather than a genuinely touching backstory.
And this general trend of poor execution of good concepts is what, in my mind, brings down the general quality of the book series.