I don't blame A's fans for not showing up. Actually, I wouldn't blame them if they stop being fans altogether. Their ownership has completely abandoned them, so it's only fair for the fans to desert the team.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but we all know if it were a southern team the narrative wouldn't be the owner abandoned the fans, it'd be they aren't a baseball city.
Reminds me of what happened in 96' to the Oilers. They were losing and Bud Adams threw a fit with the city after tanking the team and announced they were leaving and got mad when the fans didnt show up.
John Fisher DOES NOT know what he’s doing, he NEEDS to sell the team to somebody that NEEDS to keep the A’s in Oakland, and as far as where to build a new stadium for the A’s, I think the Howard Terminal location would be a VERY NICE spot for a new stadium for the A’s to stay in Oakland
I don't blame Fisher one bit for wanting to flee Oakland. Over the past several years, Oakland has become an open cesspool, just like San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Fisher has promised that he'd spend money once in Vegas. He's lied about everything else and shown a total lack of concern for his team or the fans. Is this in writing? I cannot see him keeping his word on this and LV is gonna get decades of terrible baseball. Grow some cojones Manfred and do the right thing...
User.....you are a funny, funny fellow. Manfred is a capon. Manfred has always been a capon. Manfred will always be a capon. The only reason he took a "bold step" with the Atlanta All-Star Game was because he was being pressured by Woke America to do so. He'd have never done that on his own.
I state this again: in Miami, the Marlins park attendance issue is with the Marlins themselves. Proof is because the WBC is a sellout every time it's there.
I do not blame fans in Miami and the surrounding areas. Every time an ownership group needed to recoup funds or pay off debts, they pulled a fire sale. And not just after Marlins won the World Series (1997 and 2003). It also happened in the 2012 season and right after Loria sold following the 2017 season.
The reason WBC sells out is the identity of the various international blocs. They are much more interested in seeing their former countries do well than in seeing a team with "Miami" on their jerseys. I'm not saying it as a slight or political statement.
@@carseye1219 But its proof that the love for baseball does indeed exist in the area, and Miami can become a baseball mecca if the organization really wanted to make the effort. The World Baseball Classic doesn't draw massive crowds everywhere, but between that tourney and the recent numbers related to the Caribbean Series its proof Miami doesn't reject baseball, it rejects the ownership and their habits towards the Miami Marlins.
@@DIAC1987 It's not proof that the area loves MLB. There's a difference. The Dominican Republic playing Venezuela will draw a big crowd on any night there. The Marlins playing the Brewers on a Tuesday night will not.
@@carseye1219Because the Marlins organization and the ballpark itself has not done a good enough job in providing a regular season MLB product that appeals to the market they represent. Miami is already expensive and a hassle to get around, so if they want their fans, they have to earn it.
I live in Tampa florida. Im really tired of people complaining about our attendance. Everyone should come to tampa and make the trip to St petersburg for a baseball game. I literally drive past 2 minor league baseball stadiums on the way to the rays stadium. Tropicana field is in a horrible location. If the rays played in tampa i would go to way more games. it can take an hour and a half to get to the Rays stadium on weekdays. I bought tickets to the red sox game in May and im already planning on what time i have to leave my home to get there during rush hour. This is a different situation than the Oakland A,s. Tropicana field is in a nice location but its a bad location. Tropicana field is literally closer to bradington and sarasota than it is to Tampa. Tampa is a Large city but you have to cross a congested Bridge to get there. I live 20 minutes away from The Tampa yankees stadium and an hour from the clearwater Phillies. Think about that next time you cry about how bad fans are here. MLB and the Rays have done a shitty job of location for the stadium. If this stadium was in the Tampa area i would absolutely go from going to 1 game a year to at least 10 games a year easily. I might even get season tickets. Its not a coincidence that the Bucs and lightning sell out but the rays dont. The Bucs and Lightning are in better locations and in the heart of tampa. I love Baseball and i dont even watch Hockey or even know the rules but i swear to god i was looking for tickets the other day for the Rays and i started thinking of the drive and instead went to the Lighting website to buy tickets for me and my family. Thats how the average Tampa resident thinks. Why drive an hour and a half to a crappy stadium when you can go 30 minutes to a hockey game. I love the rays and love that they compete but the drive and location is too much. This is how all Tampa residence think.
All by design from ownership. Since the original owner Walter Haas died in 1996 the ownership after has completely ruined the organization that won 4 World Series titles since they came to Oakland
Montreal says hello. They had it worse... Canadian dollar dropping, Jeffrey Loria buying them and not spending, trading away all the stars including Pedro and Vladdy, pulling games off TV and playing in the worst stadium designed for Olympics and was falling apart... not future for a new park.
Tampa is a transitive town. Lots of fans from other cities living there. Nashville will be worse, it's smaller and more transitive. Las Vegas isn't good for baseball.
It’s a shame what the Oakland Athletics have become. In the 1970s, they won three championships in a row and or relevant Can’t even win 50 games in a season now
Las Vegas does deserve MLB but an expansion team If the A’s stay in Oakland, they should get the next expansion team but absolutely the A’s should stay in Oakland
I disagree with Nashville being like Tampa. There are a lot of transplants living there, but the city does support baseball. Vanderbilt and Tennessee over in Knoxville both are good. The Sounds minor league team gets good attendance. Florida pro sports fans are just bad in general.
No, they will go out for something nice. They travel for Lightning games and the Bucs - and getting to St Pete is easier and easier. Pinellas County itself has nearly a million residents. The issue is perception and the fact that there is nothing special about Tropicana.
i live in bloomindale...it take me and hour and a half to get to the trop...it take me 15 minutes to get to amalie and 20 to rayjay....the trop is in a terrible location unless you are on that side of the bridges...spin it however you like the rays fan base is in tampa and they play an hour away....its like having the stadium in spring hill...
If people cared they would go. The block in front of Rogers centre for the Jays. Front Street takes an hour just to get out of the parking lot. No exaggeration an hour to get out of a parking lot and people still go.
@@bikingDit rains in Seattle and they still show up to home games. The Rays play in a dome on bright sunny day and nobody shows up to games. They have no real fan base.
@@wesleysteeleiv I know that is what I am saying. In Toronto we will wait an hour to get out of a parking lot for the Jays but in Tampa they use every excuse not to go. Just not baseball fans there.
Opening day - so you would be wrong. The fans support the team generally the first couple games really well. Then reality of the season sets in and fans stop coming. Its in direct relationship the team product on the field. It even goes beyond that but you can only watch a team get pounded so many times… fisher is a cancer
@@HHSGDFootballJPD since when is 54k a sell out? They reduced the sell out number a long time ago. And yeah there was 30-35k there opening night. I was in the parking lot and in the stadium. Video proof don’t lie. There were more than 13k inside the park after the 3rd inning.
Yeah, I saw a few minutes of the Marlins, and crowd they had actually looked pretty good on TV. Yeah that's not a good look for the A's. Their attendance issues is a bat look.
As an Angels Fan I went to Oakland for both the 2017 and 2018 “opening days”. Obviously, the attendance numbers are a bit down, but even back then the crowds were pretty scarce
Considering back then is still right in the middle of fishers awful job as owner. As a season ticket holder I see this team every season all season long for decades. Fisher is the issue 100%. You don’t need a new stadium to field a decent team or retain talent. Never mind the stadium falling into disarray is on fishers shoulders too.
@@longbar6565 here in Dallas, that was the plan with the AAC for the Stars and Mavericks. Didn’t really do anything. If there isn’t a game, the people up in the area is low. AT&T stadium in Arlington didn’t really develop like they projected. Sorry I can’t think of any other specific examples. It just seams that a lot of new stadium proposals come with these grand development projects.
Memo to Vegas: Get out of this deal. You will have buyers remorse. Do you really want Fisher to bring his cheap ass to Vegas? I don't think so. If Vegas drops out, MLB owners should force Fisher to sell to Lacob. Done deal.
This Vegas resident who is a big supporter of Fisher’s motives say not a chance Monica. Actually there are so many us who are in the know here, thinks Fisher will bring some positives to our community. Sorry!
Just because you build a bunch of housing units near the ball park doesn’t mean people will show up. Sure you’ll have people that will live there because of the park, but not everyone living there will be baseball fans. Just move the Rays.
@@jacobdye4037 the city of Oakland has nothing to do with fisher failing in 5 other cities. Sure Oakland has dropped the ball, but not enough for the team to leave. Fisher doesn’t know what he wants to do and ran to the first hand out he saw. Never mind Oakland fought legal battles for the A’s to build at Howard terminal and won them…. Or the fact Oakland raised more money than Vegas provided. Or the fact fisher asked Vegas for a fraction of what he asked Oakland who at every turn met his demands….. You gotta speak the whole story my dude , but you are right about fisher being a reason the raiders left
I think Orlando would be a good move to take the rays there, that way it keeps actual rays fans still in Florida and then combines Orlando fans together
Nashville is a very bustling town that definitely deserves an MLB team right now. Just look at them with the Predators! People there are crazy about their sports.
Cox is now allowing Padre and Diamondbacks broadcasts in Las Vegas in a town that’s a Dodger hub making the A’s even less attractive to Las Vegas . You would think they would try to broadcast A’s games to get some fan interest ..Unless there is realignment and the A’s move to the NL Las Vegas A’s are doomed to complete failure and after the first season or two the A’s will be getting the same crowd numbers as they have in Oakland
I think major league sports are at a tipping point. Its a matter of time teams other than Oakland and Tampa will have attendance problems. They are pricing themselves out of this inflammatory market as far as players salaries and ticket prices. Anyway thats my opinion
Went to the Marlin's opening game. It was a good experience. Traffic to Miami is bad took 2 and 1/2 hours to get from West Palm it took an 1 hour 2 minutes going home for perspective.
Thank you DG for not mentioning Tampa. I live in Eastern Hillsborough County east of Tampa. I do think Orlando could fund a stadium and fill it. Next option Nashville. The biggest mistake is to build it in St Pete with the new District 6B project. St Pete/Tampa is an area with lower and middle range wages. Cannot imagine people being able to pay premium prices for new apartments/condos in this district. There is always a chance that Northeast money can buy it when they flee the blue states. They all cannot move to Miami. Miami is super premium pricing.
@@great-one0389 No. Nor will anyone in Orlando. The only hope for Orlando is tourists would see games. The Rays will fill a new stadium in St Pete. All research shows it, but Tropicana is not a destination so people watch on TV. There's no reason for them to travel. BTW, the Rays did sell out their opener. They sold every ticket they put on sale. They just didn't tarp the bits they were not selling.
River cats said they aren’t going anyplace ..A’s and Fisher are screwed ..if the city of Oakland tells them to go to hell they will end up in Salt Lake City …And that’s where they should stay as Las Vegas could care less except for a few die hard people who don’t mind getting screwed by the worst owner in all of sports
I will be at Oakland on Wednesday. One thing I have noticed with the athletics over the last two or three years. It seems like their highest attended games are either when the Red Sox Yankees or Giants are in town. And in all instances, I think it’s because visiting Fant takeovers and is considerably cheaper to see a game in Oakland as opposed to Fenway Park, Yankee, Stadium or maybe even AT&T.
Whatever they're calling it these days, Oakland is a bad ballpark. Once had seats right behind a dugout and couldn't believe how far it was to fair territory.
Whats the deal with "selling out" opening day? Last year, i went to the ticket office for the YANKEES HOME OPENER 20 minutes before it started and the guy said "where do you want to sit? We have all sections open"
As with other comments, the Rays are getting "low attendance" because half the people that live in the area come from areas, or families, that have traditionally rooted for teams up north. And just like that last playoff game, it was in the middle of the work week - 4pm on a Thursday - so anyone with a standard 9-5 or kids in school would make it very difficult to go to. I know this was addressed somewhat in the video, but it shouldn't just be brushed off. Also it doesn't help that there's little transportation to get there. I hear there is a bus or two that goes from dt Tampa to the stadium as a shuttle, but I don't see it promoted enough.
I disagree. I would love to be in Atlanta vs Philly, but stadium 🏟️, when they are home, is 4 1/2 hours from me. Just easier to have a BBQ 🔥🥩🍺 on my property and listen 🎧 on radio 📻
well when they were trying to sell the tickets for 55 each last night in Tampa, its a hard pass for me.... ill bet 10 bucks on the game, make food and enjoy the game much cheaper at home
Also the notion that the A's playing at a minor league stadium is going to enable them to sell it out because its smaller is dumb. Who is going to pay to see this team play unless its a team like the Dodgers or Yankees coming to town?
If the Rays built a stadium in downtown Tampa, it would have better attendance. The Lightning sell out almost every home game. I would have Rays season tickets living on the East side of the Bay.
Can't blame us A's fans in this horrible lame duck situation. A once colorful, storied franchise is driven further in the ground. My 53 year love for this team and MLB is pretty much done. Thanks a lot, Fisher.😡
This is a too many teams in the league and too long of a season issue, not a location issue. 91 game season that starts in May and ends by start of September. Less games makes all the games more important and not too many team choices doesn’t water down the fan base so thin per team.
I Lived in Pinellas County For 18yrs … The Rays ARE NOT a Fan Friendly Organization! Parking $20.00 {Even for Legit Handicap Fans} … Handicap Section is Behind a Huge Pole, Obstructing Alot of Different Views! … Hotdogs $8 - Beer $15 - BOTTLE WATER $7 … Salaries NOT Great in Florida and the Cost of Living Becoming Unbearably Difficult - HIGHER HOA / CONDO FEES - Very High Car Insurance - Very High Homeowners Insurance - and the List Goes on … NOT MUCH “Discretionary” Money Left to Spend $400 Plus to Take a Family of {3} or {4} to a BASEBALL GAME
Idea's to boost Oakland A's attendance? Allow Smoking in Mount Davis suites and upper deck. Also make the stadium general admission other than suites and the first five rows in lower deck sections and outfield for 2024 since nobody will probably show up in 24. $20 for first 5 $35 for suites $30 for Mt. Davis suits and $7 Mt. Davis upper smoking and General admin.
I can't believe they might build a new Rays stadium down in St. Pete. They need to put a new Rays stadium in North Tampa on Dale Mabry, near the Yankees spring training complex and the Bucs stadium. Then you could get people from the Orlando area, who would never drive to St. Pete.
With the A’s, remember the late 70’s they had this same scenario? Mike Morgan getting a MLB start right out of HS? Mitchell Page playing first base and counting the crowd? Those days are back. Fisher, drop sports and go back to your retail empire.
I live in Tampa im a Yankees fan I go see them play the Rays when they come down here. Its always a sell out those games mostly Yankees fans its pretty much a home game for the Yanks. I would like the Rays to stay just so I could see my Yankees but after seeing how the Rays got ZERO support in the Playoffs last season not sure how long the owner can continue here.
Tampa Bay has a competitive team almost every year but it’s obvious the fans don’t support them so they need to move them where they will be supported. That or delete the team altogether
I was at the first two Rays games this year, it was filled out by Jays fans. Opener was mostly Rays fans, second game was mostly Jays fans. That stadium is a mess to get around in. The concourse is terrible. Its a real shame because they often have a fun team to watch.
Can't blame A's fans for staying away. It's basically a minor league team on the field and the franchise has one foot out the door already. I think the city is just done with the whole thing.
Maybe the Rays moving to Orlando could help them with their low attendance. Busier airport, and lots of amusement attractions that bring in tourists. I don't know, it seems like sports fans in Florida just don't show up for baseball games. Warm weather most of the year can't be the reason, because the three Southern California teams all have much better attendance than the two Florida teams.
The Rays need to move, period. That new stadium development concept is ridiculous. If you need to have all these bells and whistles to attract fans, that shows your fanbase just isn't interested in the baseball team. Boston and the Cubs play in 100 year old stadiums and have no trouble attracting fans.
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Such a shame too because they play winning baseball.
I think Providence should get a team. If it's the only major sport there, they would get fans and they could form a cool rivalry with Boston or be in the other conference and be a 2nd team for Boston fans. It doesn't make sense to give cities like Vegas a team in every sport and baseball is particularly big in the North East compared to the rest of the country.
Everyone that wants the Florida teams to relocate I’m sorry but that’s just not going to happen. I say this because both the attendance issues for Miami and Tampa is exaggerated due to following reasons: Miami - Bad ownership and losing seasons has made fans reluctant to attend games start winning and the fans will come. Tampa - Move the team across the water to Hillsbrough County and the fans will will come.
Chicago doesn't need, nor deserve 2 baseball teams. Especially with Illinois population loss. Philadelphia Boston St Louis all once had 2 baseball teams too. Only NY and maybe LA can support 2 teams in a sports league.
Because they're a "legacy city". These northern cities with poor attendance almost never get called out for their lackluster fan attendance. Just look at the Pirates, Tigers, White Sox, Reds, Guardians, Royals, and Orioles last year until they took over first place. Yet, these same northerners will choose to highlight the Braves not selling out an NLDS game in the early 2000s that was the result of the MLB agreeing to change the start time to mid day when people were at work and school, all so their previous Yankees or Red Sox (can't remember which one) could get the prime time slot. Nevermind that the Braves were a top 5 in attendance all through the 90s (from 1991) to the early 2000s. Despite a few seasons during the Freddie Gonzalez years where the Braves had mid range attendance, the Braves have been in the upper third in attendance, being first in 2021, and 5th last year.
Most teams nowadays do the “Major League” movie method of purposely making their teams lose to get new stadiums. Make this illegal, and the fans will come back
Because Chicago doesn't need nor deserve 2 baseball teams. Especially with Illinois population loss. No Midwest city deserves TWO baseball teams. Boston Philadelphia St Louis all once had 2 baseball teams too and they realized the market couldn't support two. Chicago can't either. Only NY and maybe LA.... But no other market can have 2 teams in a league
I get why Oakland fans aren’t going to games but Tampa constantly having attendance problems is unacceptable. They’re constantly one of the best teams in baseball. “ well there’s a lot of traffic” there’s traffic everywhere
They're only going to be in that stadium for another 3 seasons after this one. That would be a waste of money when the whole thing is getting demolished in the next 5 years.
This year is the first season opener I’ve missed in I don’t know how long how many years - and I’m a former season ticket holder - I can’t deal with John fisher - we Oakland fans are living a real like MAJOR LEAGUE movie owner except MLB and the A-hole commissioner already voted to take the team and gut the heart and soul out of us long time fans
Not sure why Nashville is considered a good location for a MLB team when there are several cities that are never mentioned..... The Charlotte, Raleigh, or San Antonio areas are all growing faster and are at least as large or much larger, than Nashville...
I really hope that St. Pete project doesn't move forward because they need to move the Rays into the actual city of Tampa or move to Nashville or Montreal. I want the A's to stay in Oakland, but without Fisher and in a new stadium. Miami is not really a problem as the new stadium saved their situation, or it'd be in the pits like Tampa and Oakland.
rays need to move to somewhere that needs a team and isn't just a bunch of retirees. nashville or north carolina maybe. would ease travel on al east teams as well. oakland just needs john fischer removed from power.
The White Sox didn’t sellout either. Official attendance was 33,420 and capacity is 40,615. My buddy went to the game and he said there was a lot of fans dressed up as green seats.
Chicago doesn't need, nor deserve 2 baseball teams. Especially with Illinois population loss. Boston Philadelphia St Louis all once had 2 baseball teams too.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa The Sox has always been the Number 2 baseball team in town. Everyone loves The Cubs. Look at the money they got to update Wrigley Field. They even added a hotel across from the stadium. Now they want $1.5B for a new stadium. The Bears also want $2.5B for a new stadium. The Bears will get their new stadium. Idk if The Sox will. I could see them moving to Nashville or Portland if they don’t get the money for the new stadium. Also IMO they are making it harder to get the money when the ownership isn’t trying to put a winning team on the field. Why would the city want to invest the money for a new stadium when the team doesn’t seem to be trying to put a good product on the field to get fans in the stands?
The Rays are doing the right thing with the closed upper deck. DG of all people who hates massive upper decks should applaud it. They sold out a 25k capacity and the new stadium is supposed to hold 30k.
@@ElmerFudd16 That still has nothing to do with the upper deck. It makes no sense to staff or renovate it when the entire stadium is coming down in the next 5 years.
The Oakland Coliseum is not the main reason. The city itself is an absolute scary crime ridden dump and an embarrassment to America. The whole purpose of going to a ballgame is to have fun and enjoy the national pastime with family and friends. Why would you go to a game somewhere if you fear for life.
That doesn’t make sense, cities with worse crime statistics have some of the best attendance. It’s unrelated. The bad product on the field is the reason.
Considering there has never been an issue In the A’s parking lots ever. Almost 40 years of going to games there’s never been a car break in, a shooting, a robbery - there hasn’t even been so much as a fight….. What’s it like looking like a fool every time you try to make a point?
I think the reason MLB won't work in Florida is because Florida is not landlocked. Chicago Cubs/White Sox fans have fans in Southern Illinois, Indiana,Iowa. Tigers have fans in Michigan, NE Indiana,NW Ohio. Who outside Florida follows the Marlins and the Rays?
I don't blame either fanbase. The A's have pretty much told their fans to go (quack) themselves, even as they're still playing in Oakland waiting for the stadium in Las Vegas to be finished. You know, Charles Finley was a consummate jerk when he owned the A's, but at least they won. That said, I do not blame John Fisher one bit for wanting to flee Oakland.....just like the rest of California, the City of Oakland has become a (quack)hole. And as for the Rays............I have cousins who live in the Tampa-Clearwater area, and when my S.O. and I go to visit, we try to go see the Rays play. Tropicana Field is the most Gawd-Awful place to watch a ball game in, it is not located in, shall we say, one of the Bay Area's "garden spots," and driving almost anywhere around Tampa/St. Pete is a gigantic pain in the ass. The locals will tell you that the Trop has been awful since Day One.
anytime you tarp over seats.. that’s not a sellout.. that’s cheating… that’s like starting the game with the home team already up by 50 at the first pitch (though in Oakland, that may not be enough to win). MLB has priced themselves out of sellouts.. DF's
43K is the number of seats at the Trop, How many MLB Teams outside of LA or NY are selling out 43 K nowadays? Better yet why don't you check out TV ratings? You know if you're able to without the hacky "lets talk shit on Rays"
@@Lametampafan Capacity for the Trop is 25,025. They do not even open the upper bowl area. Even if 50,000 people showed up to by tickets day of game the team does not have it staffed and the concession areas, bathrooms, and common areas are all out of commission. It has been opened up for ONE series since they reduced the seating capacity in 2019. You can't blame fans if they don't even make the damn seats available for sale.
@@BrandonCreegerI can’t tell if we’re on the same side, if they opened the seats (like I said the full capacity) the seating would be 43k. You’re right they close the upper deck making it 25k. But what MLB team outside the top 3-4 markets can consistently support 43K seating? Most MLB stadiums now are gradually going down to 30k seating. Baseball isn’t exactly breaking true attendance records in most markets anymore
@@Lametampafan That's another "building" problem. The damn thing broke ground nearly 40 years ago. Almost every park built after 2000 has reduced it's capacity in one way or another. (Cincinnati is the only outlier I can think of, they've added seats)That's fine when you do renovations, but Stu ain't spending that money now. Hell, I'm surprised they put new turf down for the season. It's just semantics over the definition of capacity at this point.
Opening Day is a disaster for MLB. People don’t watch anymore. More are watching hockey and it’s almost playoffs. I used to watch MLB. I wasn’t even excited for opening day.
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I don't blame A's fans for not showing up. Actually, I wouldn't blame them if they stop being fans altogether. Their ownership has completely abandoned them, so it's only fair for the fans to desert the team.
The Giants are much popular much more popular across the bay in San Francisco.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but we all know if it were a southern team the narrative wouldn't be the owner abandoned the fans, it'd be they aren't a baseball city.
Reminds me of what happened in 96' to the Oilers. They were losing and Bud Adams threw a fit with the city after tanking the team and announced they were leaving and got mad when the fans didnt show up.
Dam,I am old enough to remember the A's leaving Kansas City to move in Oakland. I don't recall Oakland fans telling the A's to stay in Kansas City!
Yeah , no one wants to do business in Oakland
No way I’ll put a dime in John Fishers pocket by attending an A’s game. If he wants to build a park in Vegas, he’s not gonna get me to contribute.
Exactly.
Don't blame Fisher. Blame your "leaders." They are in the process of turning California into one giant open cesspool.
John Fisher DOES NOT know what he’s doing, he NEEDS to sell the team to somebody that NEEDS to keep the A’s in Oakland, and as far as where to build a new stadium for the A’s, I think the Howard Terminal location would be a VERY NICE spot for a new stadium for the A’s to stay in Oakland
I don't blame Fisher one bit for wanting to flee Oakland. Over the past several years, Oakland has become an open cesspool, just like San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Fisher has promised that he'd spend money once in Vegas. He's lied about everything else and shown a total lack of concern for his team or the fans. Is this in writing? I cannot see him keeping his word on this and LV is gonna get decades of terrible baseball. Grow some cojones Manfred and do the right thing...
User.....you are a funny, funny fellow. Manfred is a capon. Manfred has always been a capon. Manfred will always be a capon. The only reason he took a "bold step" with the Atlanta All-Star Game was because he was being pressured by Woke America to do so. He'd have never done that on his own.
Fisher is just trying to increase the team value before selling them for a good price.
I state this again: in Miami, the Marlins park attendance issue is with the Marlins themselves. Proof is because the WBC is a sellout every time it's there.
I do not blame fans in Miami and the surrounding areas. Every time an ownership group needed to recoup funds or pay off debts, they pulled a fire sale. And not just after Marlins won the World Series (1997 and 2003). It also happened in the 2012 season and right after Loria sold following the 2017 season.
The reason WBC sells out is the identity of the various international blocs. They are much more interested in seeing their former countries do well than in seeing a team with "Miami" on their jerseys. I'm not saying it as a slight or political statement.
@@carseye1219 But its proof that the love for baseball does indeed exist in the area, and Miami can become a baseball mecca if the organization really wanted to make the effort. The World Baseball Classic doesn't draw massive crowds everywhere, but between that tourney and the recent numbers related to the Caribbean Series its proof Miami doesn't reject baseball, it rejects the ownership and their habits towards the Miami Marlins.
@@DIAC1987 It's not proof that the area loves MLB. There's a difference. The Dominican Republic playing Venezuela will draw a big crowd on any night there. The Marlins playing the Brewers on a Tuesday night will not.
@@carseye1219Because the Marlins organization and the ballpark itself has not done a good enough job in providing a regular season MLB product that appeals to the market they represent. Miami is already expensive and a hassle to get around, so if they want their fans, they have to earn it.
I live in Tampa florida. Im really tired of people complaining about our attendance. Everyone should come to tampa and make the trip to St petersburg for a baseball game. I literally drive past 2 minor league baseball stadiums on the way to the rays stadium. Tropicana field is in a horrible location. If the rays played in tampa i would go to way more games. it can take an hour and a half to get to the Rays stadium on weekdays. I bought tickets to the red sox game in May and im already planning on what time i have to leave my home to get there during rush hour. This is a different situation than the Oakland A,s. Tropicana field is in a nice location but its a bad location. Tropicana field is literally closer to bradington and sarasota than it is to Tampa. Tampa is a Large city but you have to cross a congested Bridge to get there. I live 20 minutes away from The Tampa yankees stadium and an hour from the clearwater Phillies. Think about that next time you cry about how bad fans are here. MLB and the Rays have done a shitty job of location for the stadium. If this stadium was in the Tampa area i would absolutely go from going to 1 game a year to at least 10 games a year easily. I might even get season tickets. Its not a coincidence that the Bucs and lightning sell out but the rays dont. The Bucs and Lightning are in better locations and in the heart of tampa. I love Baseball and i dont even watch Hockey or even know the rules but i swear to god i was looking for tickets the other day for the Rays and i started thinking of the drive and instead went to the Lighting website to buy tickets for me and my family. Thats how the average Tampa resident thinks. Why drive an hour and a half to a crappy stadium when you can go 30 minutes to a hockey game. I love the rays and love that they compete but the drive and location is too much. This is how all Tampa residence think.
100% this - if the Bolts were out there it would be the same situation, nearly.
Imagine going to an A’s game when every game gonna be a blowout
All by design from ownership. Since the original owner Walter Haas died in 1996 the ownership after has completely ruined the organization that won 4 World Series titles since they came to Oakland
Plus most of the fans there will be of the visiting team.
Montreal says hello. They had it worse... Canadian dollar dropping, Jeffrey Loria buying them and not spending, trading away all the stars including Pedro and Vladdy, pulling games off TV and playing in the worst stadium designed for Olympics and was falling apart... not future for a new park.
John Fisher has ruined the San Jose Earthquakes MLS please buy it from him and sell it to another investor here in the Bay Area
Dang I didn't realize he owned them too. Figures
Tampa is a transitive town. Lots of fans from other cities living there. Nashville will be worse, it's smaller and more transitive. Las Vegas isn't good for baseball.
It’s a shame what the Oakland Athletics have become. In the 1970s, they won three championships in a row and or relevant Can’t even win 50 games in a season now
Agree
Las Vegas does deserve MLB but an expansion team
If the A’s stay in Oakland, they should get the next expansion team but absolutely the A’s should stay in Oakland
vegas can have every sport because theres tons of people there visiting and living
I disagree with Nashville being like Tampa. There are a lot of transplants living there, but the city does support baseball. Vanderbilt and Tennessee over in Knoxville both are good. The Sounds minor league team gets good attendance. Florida pro sports fans are just bad in general.
Yeah dude A’s fans held a protest in the parking lot lol the whole parking lot was at full capacity of protesters
He didn’t really mention that because he likes to keeo that narrative going that the As fans suck and that Oakland is a bad city.
It seems that the Grapefruit League is good enough for Florida. Those games are well attended and held while the weather is still comfortable.
Rob Manfred would never boot John Fisher... that would make too much sense.
Rob Manfred would never boot John Fisher because it would require Manfred to actually have balls.
Its a pain in the ass to even get to the Tropicana, driving through Tampa Bay is horrible. People would rather stay at home.
No, they will go out for something nice. They travel for Lightning games and the Bucs - and getting to St Pete is easier and easier. Pinellas County itself has nearly a million residents. The issue is perception and the fact that there is nothing special about Tropicana.
i live in bloomindale...it take me and hour and a half to get to the trop...it take me 15 minutes to get to amalie and 20 to rayjay....the trop is in a terrible location unless you are on that side of the bridges...spin it however you like the rays fan base is in tampa and they play an hour away....its like having the stadium in spring hill...
If people cared they would go. The block in front of Rogers centre for the Jays. Front Street takes an hour just to get out of the parking lot. No exaggeration an hour to get out of a parking lot and people still go.
@@bikingDit rains in Seattle and they still show up to home games. The Rays play in a dome on bright sunny day and nobody shows up to games. They have no real fan base.
@@wesleysteeleiv I know that is what I am saying. In Toronto we will wait an hour to get out of a parking lot for the Jays but in Tampa they use every excuse not to go. Just not baseball fans there.
In the old days, we never cared what was the attendance.
Just give us baseball.
Explain why the Montreal expos moved then
The Chargers left Los Angeles after the 1960 season, because they were averaging 13,000 fans a game. So attendance has always mattered because money.
@@stevencramsie9172 Football
@@Max-bi8fn Montreal is a very deep HOCKEY town.
@@jackel99 And Dallas is football country, so what?
There was no expectation of a sellout in Oakland.
Opening day - so you would be wrong. The fans support the team generally the first couple games really well. Then reality of the season sets in and fans stop coming.
Its in direct relationship the team product on the field. It even goes beyond that but you can only watch a team get pounded so many times… fisher is a cancer
Maybe September 26th the final home game
@@stefanbrown5872This Oakland A's team wasn't going to bring in 54k on Opening Day, and maybe not even 35k either.
@@HHSGDFootballJPD since when is 54k a sell out? They reduced the sell out number a long time ago.
And yeah there was 30-35k there opening night. I was in the parking lot and in the stadium. Video proof don’t lie. There were more than 13k inside the park after the 3rd inning.
@stefanbrown5872 I thought than number was the sellout for the last time they hosted the Wild Card game (2019?)
Yeah, I saw a few minutes of the Marlins, and crowd they had actually looked pretty good on TV. Yeah that's not a good look for the A's. Their attendance issues is a bat look.
As an Angels Fan I went to Oakland for both the 2017 and 2018 “opening days”. Obviously, the attendance numbers are a bit down, but even back then the crowds were pretty scarce
Considering back then is still right in the middle of fishers awful job as owner.
As a season ticket holder I see this team every season all season long for decades.
Fisher is the issue 100%. You don’t need a new stadium to field a decent team or retain talent. Never mind the stadium falling into disarray is on fishers shoulders too.
I went to a rays game during covid and there were more Yankees fans than rays fans
They should move to Hartford
The Yankees have their spring training in Tampa.
Same thing will happen when the Yankees visit the A's in Las Vegas in a few years.
I’d imagine a Dodgers vs A’s game in Vegas would be 80% Dodgers fans.
@@jacobdye4037what’s your point?
Oakland Coliseum was always full of Dodgers fans anyways.
The "development around the new stadium" approach rarely, if ever, works.
What are examples when it has not? Just curious
I don't agree with the Rays plan but I guess it's kinda working for the Braves?
@@longbar6565 here in Dallas, that was the plan with the AAC for the Stars and Mavericks. Didn’t really do anything. If there isn’t a game, the people up in the area is low. AT&T stadium in Arlington didn’t really develop like they projected. Sorry I can’t think of any other specific examples. It just seams that a lot of new stadium proposals come with these grand development projects.
@@MoTheAviator
Truist Park and the Battery is very popular.
@@gregofthelake Same way in Detroit.
I need that explained to me in my opinion if John Fisher sells the franchise do they get a need stadium built in oakland
Memo to Vegas: Get out of this deal. You will have buyers remorse. Do you really want Fisher to bring his cheap ass to Vegas? I don't think so.
If Vegas drops out, MLB owners should force Fisher to sell to Lacob. Done deal.
This Vegas resident who is a big supporter of Fisher’s motives say not a chance Monica.
Actually there are so many us who are in the know here, thinks Fisher will bring some positives to our community.
Sorry!
Etedoj
Vegas doesn't want them. It's Clark County that's pushing for it. If it was up to the city of Las Vegas, the A's wouldn't be coming.
@@seanmiles6991you’re truly delusional if you believe that LOL
@@LEBUMCHOKEDIN6FINALS not only do I believe it, I’ll personally swear by it, how’s that?
Just because you build a bunch of housing units near the ball park doesn’t mean people will show up. Sure you’ll have people that will live there because of the park, but not everyone living there will be baseball fans. Just move the Rays.
Yup, people are working
Does the stadium issues go away if John Fisher sells Oakland athletics
100%
Probably not unfortunately. The city of Oakland is a mess. Though Fisher is also part of the reason the Raiders left.
@@jacobdye4037 the city of Oakland has nothing to do with fisher failing in 5 other cities. Sure Oakland has dropped the ball, but not enough for the team to leave.
Fisher doesn’t know what he wants to do and ran to the first hand out he saw. Never mind Oakland fought legal battles for the A’s to build at Howard terminal and won them…. Or the fact Oakland raised more money than Vegas provided. Or the fact fisher asked Vegas for a fraction of what he asked Oakland who at every turn met his demands…..
You gotta speak the whole story my dude
, but you are right about fisher being a reason the raiders left
Absolutely. They have a new stadium deal almost ready that Fisher just essentially refused. .
I think Orlando would be a good move to take the rays there, that way it keeps actual rays fans still in Florida and then combines Orlando fans together
They just need to get out of Florida, period.
@stevencramsie9172 Attendance issues is not a state problem, it's more of a team ownership problem
Tampa or Orlando would do fine.
Stadium Operations said that 20k people where in the parking lot in Oakland
Congrats on 100K bro ❤
I went to a rays game at tropicana once. Had a really good time. It's too bad man.
You might think it's the worst stadium but we've had the BEST of times there.
Nashville is a very bustling town that definitely deserves an MLB team right now. Just look at them with the Predators! People there are crazy about their sports.
Cox is now allowing Padre and Diamondbacks broadcasts in Las Vegas in a town that’s a Dodger hub making the A’s even less attractive to Las Vegas . You would think they would try to broadcast A’s games to get some fan interest ..Unless there is realignment and the A’s move to the NL Las Vegas A’s are doomed to complete failure and after the first season or two the A’s will be getting the same crowd numbers as they have in Oakland
I think major league sports are at a tipping point. Its a matter of time teams other than Oakland and Tampa will have attendance problems. They are pricing themselves out of this inflammatory market as far as players salaries and ticket prices. Anyway thats my opinion
Went to the Marlin's opening game. It was a good experience. Traffic to Miami is bad took 2 and 1/2 hours to get from West Palm it took an 1 hour 2 minutes going home for perspective.
I’m sure
Thank you DG for not mentioning Tampa. I live in Eastern Hillsborough County east of Tampa. I do think Orlando could fund a stadium and fill it. Next option Nashville. The biggest mistake is to build it in St Pete with the new District 6B project. St Pete/Tampa is an area with lower and middle range wages. Cannot imagine people being able to pay premium prices for new apartments/condos in this district. There is always a chance that Northeast money can buy it when they flee the blue states. They all cannot move to Miami. Miami is super premium pricing.
Do you think if they moved to Orlando than would the few fans in the Tampa area continue to follow the rays?
@@great-one0389 No. Nor will anyone in Orlando. The only hope for Orlando is tourists would see games. The Rays will fill a new stadium in St Pete. All research shows it, but Tropicana is not a destination so people watch on TV. There's no reason for them to travel. BTW, the Rays did sell out their opener. They sold every ticket they put on sale. They just didn't tarp the bits they were not selling.
So what happens to the Sacramento River Cats if the A's play there? You will run into the same problems if the A's played in Summerlin, NV
River cats said they aren’t going anyplace ..A’s and Fisher are screwed ..if the city of Oakland tells them to go to hell they will end up in Salt Lake City …And that’s where they should stay as Las Vegas could care less except for a few die hard people who don’t mind getting screwed by the worst owner in all of sports
Congrats on reaching 100k viewers👏👏👏
Congrats on 100K!
A'S are good about abandoning the fan, they did it Phillie, Kansas City and now Oakland
I will be at Oakland on Wednesday. One thing I have noticed with the athletics over the last two or three years. It seems like their highest attended games are either when the Red Sox Yankees or Giants are in town. And in all instances, I think it’s because visiting Fant takeovers and is considerably cheaper to see a game in Oakland as opposed to Fenway Park, Yankee, Stadium or maybe even AT&T.
Whatever they're calling it these days, Oakland is a bad ballpark. Once had seats right behind a dugout and couldn't believe how far it was to fair territory.
Whats the deal with "selling out" opening day? Last year, i went to the ticket office for the YANKEES HOME OPENER 20 minutes before it started and the guy said "where do you want to sit? We have all sections open"
As with other comments, the Rays are getting "low attendance" because half the people that live in the area come from areas, or families, that have traditionally rooted for teams up north. And just like that last playoff game, it was in the middle of the work week - 4pm on a Thursday - so anyone with a standard 9-5 or kids in school would make it very difficult to go to.
I know this was addressed somewhat in the video, but it shouldn't just be brushed off. Also it doesn't help that there's little transportation to get there. I hear there is a bus or two that goes from dt Tampa to the stadium as a shuttle, but I don't see it promoted enough.
Yes! MLB Stadium really has a attendance problem.
I disagree. I would love to be in Atlanta vs Philly, but stadium 🏟️, when they are home, is 4 1/2 hours from me. Just easier to have a BBQ 🔥🥩🍺 on my property and listen 🎧 on radio 📻
congrats on 100k!!
well when they were trying to sell the tickets for 55 each last night in Tampa, its a hard pass for me.... ill bet 10 bucks on the game, make food and enjoy the game much cheaper at home
congratz on 100k brother! #GingerPride
1999 final four was at the trap
When UConn won their first national title. If they win it again this year, it will be their 6th in 25 years.
Also the notion that the A's playing at a minor league stadium is going to enable them to sell it out because its smaller is dumb. Who is going to pay to see this team play unless its a team like the Dodgers or Yankees coming to town?
If the Rays built a stadium in downtown Tampa, it would have better attendance. The Lightning sell out almost every home game. I would have Rays season tickets living on the East side of the Bay.
Nearly everyone conveniently ignores this.
Both of those teams need to move.
Rays wanting to build a new stadium in the same place they can't draw any fans is stupid.
The new stadium in St. Pete is only going to seat around 25,000 seats so it will look a lot fuller than the Trop.
Can't blame us A's fans in this horrible lame duck situation. A once colorful, storied franchise is driven further in the ground. My 53 year love for this team and MLB is pretty much done. Thanks a lot, Fisher.😡
This is a too many teams in the league and too long of a season issue, not a location issue. 91 game season that starts in May and ends by start of September. Less games makes all the games more important and not too many team choices doesn’t water down the fan base so thin per team.
I Lived in Pinellas County For 18yrs … The Rays ARE NOT a Fan Friendly Organization! Parking $20.00 {Even for Legit Handicap Fans} … Handicap Section is Behind a Huge Pole, Obstructing Alot of Different Views! … Hotdogs $8 - Beer $15 - BOTTLE WATER $7 … Salaries NOT Great in Florida and the Cost of Living Becoming Unbearably Difficult - HIGHER HOA / CONDO FEES - Very High Car Insurance - Very High Homeowners Insurance - and the List Goes on … NOT MUCH “Discretionary” Money Left to Spend $400 Plus to Take a Family of {3} or {4} to a BASEBALL GAME
Idea's to boost Oakland A's attendance? Allow Smoking in Mount Davis suites and upper deck. Also make the stadium general admission other than suites and the first five rows in lower deck sections and outfield for 2024 since nobody will probably show up in 24. $20 for first 5 $35 for suites $30 for Mt. Davis suits and $7 Mt. Davis upper smoking and General admin.
Why would Oakland show up if they know team is leaving anyway
I can't believe they might build a new Rays stadium down in St. Pete. They need to put a new Rays stadium in North Tampa on Dale Mabry, near the Yankees spring training complex and the Bucs stadium. Then you could get people from the Orlando area, who would never drive to St. Pete.
The Marlins kinda did as well, though they did better than Tampa and Oakland. And I was surprised to see the Orioles have empty seats, not a good look
Anyway the Orioles did bring in over 40, 000 for the season opener
Congratulations on 100k
The Trop drew more fans during the WWEs thunderdome era…..lolol
With the A’s, remember the late 70’s they had this same scenario? Mike Morgan getting a MLB start right out of HS? Mitchell Page playing first base and counting the crowd? Those days are back. Fisher, drop sports and go back to your retail empire.
Anytime a Florida team sells out anything where Messi isn’t playing, is a shock.
How about the Tampa Bay Lightning?
Tampa Bay Buccaneers ❓
What a sad 😢😢😢 day for baseball ⚾ Manfred should be completely embarrassed
I live in Tampa im a Yankees fan I go see them play the Rays when they come down here. Its always a sell out those games mostly Yankees fans its pretty much a home game for the Yanks. I would like the Rays to stay just so I could see my Yankees but after seeing how the Rays got ZERO support in the Playoffs last season not sure how long the owner can continue here.
Why are you a fan of the Yankees if you live in Tampa?
@@willp.8120 Yankees have had their Spring Training in Tampa since 1996. Before that they had it in St Pete.
@@willp.8120 Yankees play their spring training nearby. They have for decades. Tampa, St Pete, Ft Lauderdale too.
i wish the rays would move either across the bay or to a different state
I was at opening day at the Trop. It took us an hour and a half to get from Tampa to St Pete. The drive sucks, period.
Tampa Bay has a competitive team almost every year but it’s obvious the fans don’t support them so they need to move them where they will be supported. That or delete the team altogether
Better situation. Get out of St. Pete and build a stadium in Tampa
@@kingmo8789 Exactly just build the new stadium in Tampa.
I was at the first two Rays games this year, it was filled out by Jays fans. Opener was mostly Rays fans, second game was mostly Jays fans. That stadium is a mess to get around in. The concourse is terrible. Its a real shame because they often have a fun team to watch.
There was approx 20K A's fans in the parking lot before the game boycotting horrible team ownership by John Fisher.
Blame the Ray's fans for not showing up. Don't blame the A's fans for not showing up inside the stadium.
100%. In fact, I'd be upset if they DID come out in big numbers.
Can't blame A's fans for staying away. It's basically a minor league team on the field and the franchise has one foot out the door already. I think the city is just done with the whole thing.
4:00, the funny thing is the Las Vegas stadium will have vast foul territory too 😄
Congrats on 100k
As a diehard rays fan, i am no longer excited to watch them. Watched for 5 minutes and turned it off
I agree with your point on Tampa - a new stadium or complex or whatever won't fix anything. That team should move to Nashville or somewhere like that
Maybe the Rays moving to Orlando could help them with their low attendance. Busier airport, and lots of amusement attractions that bring in tourists. I don't know, it seems like sports fans in Florida just don't show up for baseball games. Warm weather most of the year can't be the reason, because the three Southern California teams all have much better attendance than the two Florida teams.
The Rays need to move, period. That new stadium development concept is ridiculous. If you need to have all these bells and whistles to attract fans, that shows your fanbase just isn't interested in the baseball team. Boston and the Cubs play in 100 year old stadiums and have no trouble attracting fans.
Such a shame too because they play winning baseball.
Agreed. It's just not working there. It's been 25 years now and they've had competitive teams, so you can't use that as an excuse either.
I think Providence should get a team. If it's the only major sport there, they would get fans and they could form a cool rivalry with Boston or be in the other conference and be a 2nd team for Boston fans. It doesn't make sense to give cities like Vegas a team in every sport and baseball is particularly big in the North East compared to the rest of the country.
A shame?
Wrigley and Fenway are "shames"?
You aren't a baseball fan are you?
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754Lost their AAA team, a Red Sox affiliate, to Worcester, MA. Providence a MLB town? Ludicrous.
Everyone that wants the Florida teams to relocate I’m sorry but that’s just not going to happen. I say this because both the attendance issues for Miami and Tampa is exaggerated due to following reasons:
Miami - Bad ownership and losing seasons has made fans reluctant to attend games start winning and the fans will come.
Tampa - Move the team across the water to Hillsbrough County and the fans will will come.
Can Nashville support baseball?
Why no mention of the White Sox attendance yesterday since they had a lower attendance for their home opener than the Marlins did
Chicago doesn't need, nor deserve 2 baseball teams. Especially with Illinois population loss.
Philadelphia Boston St Louis all once had 2 baseball teams too.
Only NY and maybe LA can support 2 teams in a sports league.
Because they're a "legacy city".
These northern cities with poor attendance almost never get called out for their lackluster fan attendance. Just look at the Pirates, Tigers, White Sox, Reds, Guardians, Royals, and Orioles last year until they took over first place.
Yet, these same northerners will choose to highlight the Braves not selling out an NLDS game in the early 2000s that was the result of the MLB agreeing to change the start time to mid day when people were at work and school, all so their previous Yankees or Red Sox (can't remember which one) could get the prime time slot. Nevermind that the Braves were a top 5 in attendance all through the 90s (from 1991) to the early 2000s. Despite a few seasons during the Freddie Gonzalez years where the Braves had mid range attendance, the Braves have been in the upper third in attendance, being first in 2021, and 5th last year.
Most teams nowadays do the “Major League” movie method of purposely making their teams lose to get new stadiums. Make this illegal, and the fans will come back
Chicago White Sox did not sell out their home opener either.
Because Chicago doesn't need nor deserve 2 baseball teams. Especially with Illinois population loss. No Midwest city deserves TWO baseball teams. Boston Philadelphia St Louis all once had 2 baseball teams too and they realized the market couldn't support two. Chicago can't either. Only NY and maybe LA.... But no other market can have 2 teams in a league
And they think a new stadium will change all that here in Tampa Bay !!!! hahahahahahahaha a !!!!
I get why Oakland fans aren’t going to games but Tampa constantly having attendance problems is unacceptable. They’re constantly one of the best teams in baseball. “ well there’s a lot of traffic” there’s traffic everywhere
Just remove the upper deck if you’re not gonna use it
They're only going to be in that stadium for another 3 seasons after this one. That would be a waste of money when the whole thing is getting demolished in the next 5 years.
The A's will play in SoCal and Arizona between 25 and 28, splitting time between SD, Anahiem, LA and Phoenix.
This year is the first season opener I’ve missed in I don’t know how long how many years - and I’m a former season ticket holder - I can’t deal with John fisher - we Oakland fans are living a real like MAJOR LEAGUE movie owner except MLB and the A-hole commissioner already voted to take the team and gut the heart and soul out of us long time fans
The key is not the first game, but attendance for the second game. The Marlins had 14,000 that is not terrible.
Not sure why Nashville is considered a good location for a MLB team when there are several cities that are never mentioned..... The Charlotte, Raleigh, or San Antonio areas are all growing faster and are at least as large or much larger, than Nashville...
There’s billboards in town saying here to stay. I’ve seen 3 go up this week for the rays. I wish they’d move to Tampa no one likes going to st Pete
I really hope that St. Pete project doesn't move forward because they need to move the Rays into the actual city of Tampa or move to Nashville or Montreal. I want the A's to stay in Oakland, but without Fisher and in a new stadium. Miami is not really a problem as the new stadium saved their situation, or it'd be in the pits like Tampa and Oakland.
A’s are moving! What do you expect? If A’s had a good owner, they would’ve had a stadium built somewhere in Oakland long time ago
rays need to move to somewhere that needs a team and isn't just a bunch of retirees. nashville or north carolina maybe. would ease travel on al east teams as well. oakland just needs john fischer removed from power.
The White Sox didn’t sellout either. Official attendance was 33,420 and capacity is 40,615. My buddy went to the game and he said there was a lot of fans dressed up as green seats.
Chicago doesn't need, nor deserve 2 baseball teams. Especially with Illinois population loss. Boston Philadelphia St Louis all once had 2 baseball teams too.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa The Sox has always been the Number 2 baseball team in town. Everyone loves The Cubs. Look at the money they got to update Wrigley Field. They even added a hotel across from the stadium. Now they want $1.5B for a new stadium. The Bears also want $2.5B for a new stadium. The Bears will get their new stadium. Idk if The Sox will. I could see them moving to Nashville or Portland if they don’t get the money for the new stadium. Also IMO they are making it harder to get the money when the ownership isn’t trying to put a winning team on the field. Why would the city want to invest the money for a new stadium when the team doesn’t seem to be trying to put a good product on the field to get fans in the stands?
MLB TO PENSACOLA
Nice.
Cause that would only be 1 hour from my home
Hell YES!!
The Rays are doing the right thing with the closed upper deck. DG of all people who hates massive upper decks should applaud it. They sold out a 25k capacity and the new stadium is supposed to hold 30k.
Their attendance will likely be abysmal for the rest of the season. Same for Marlins. Who cares about the home opener?
@@ElmerFudd16 That still has nothing to do with the upper deck. It makes no sense to staff or renovate it when the entire stadium is coming down in the next 5 years.
The Oakland Coliseum is not the main reason. The city itself is an absolute scary crime ridden dump and an embarrassment to America. The whole purpose of going to a ballgame is to have fun and enjoy the national pastime with family and friends. Why would you go to a game somewhere if you fear for life.
That doesn’t make sense, cities with worse crime statistics have some of the best attendance. It’s unrelated. The bad product on the field is the reason.
You are talking nonsense
Considering there has never been an issue In the A’s parking lots ever. Almost 40 years of going to games there’s never been a car break in, a shooting, a robbery - there hasn’t even been so much as a fight…..
What’s it like looking like a fool every time you try to make a point?
True, just ask VP Harris 😂
Damn their games are cheap asf
I think the reason MLB won't work in Florida is because Florida is not landlocked. Chicago Cubs/White Sox fans have fans in Southern Illinois, Indiana,Iowa. Tigers have fans in Michigan, NE Indiana,NW Ohio. Who outside Florida follows the Marlins and the Rays?
I don't blame either fanbase. The A's have pretty much told their fans to go (quack) themselves, even as they're still playing in Oakland waiting for the stadium in Las Vegas to be finished. You know, Charles Finley was a consummate jerk when he owned the A's, but at least they won. That said, I do not blame John Fisher one bit for wanting to flee Oakland.....just like the rest of California, the City of Oakland has become a (quack)hole.
And as for the Rays............I have cousins who live in the Tampa-Clearwater area, and when my S.O. and I go to visit, we try to go see the Rays play. Tropicana Field is the most Gawd-Awful place to watch a ball game in, it is not located in, shall we say, one of the Bay Area's "garden spots," and driving almost anywhere around Tampa/St. Pete is a gigantic pain in the ass.
The locals will tell you that the Trop has been awful since Day One.
anytime you tarp over seats.. that’s not a sellout.. that’s cheating… that’s like starting the game with the home team already up by 50 at the first pitch (though in Oakland, that may not be enough to win). MLB has priced themselves out of sellouts.. DF's
43K is the number of seats at the Trop, How many MLB Teams outside of LA or NY are selling out 43 K nowadays? Better yet why don't you check out TV ratings? You know if you're able to without the hacky "lets talk shit on Rays"
@@Lametampafan Capacity for the Trop is 25,025. They do not even open the upper bowl area. Even if 50,000 people showed up to by tickets day of game the team does not have it staffed and the concession areas, bathrooms, and common areas are all out of commission. It has been opened up for ONE series since they reduced the seating capacity in 2019.
You can't blame fans if they don't even make the damn seats available for sale.
@@BrandonCreegerI can’t tell if we’re on the same side, if they opened the seats (like I said the full capacity) the seating would be 43k. You’re right they close the upper deck making it 25k. But what MLB team outside the top 3-4 markets can consistently support 43K seating? Most MLB stadiums now are gradually going down to 30k seating. Baseball isn’t exactly breaking true attendance records in most markets anymore
@@Lametampafan That's another "building" problem. The damn thing broke ground nearly 40 years ago. Almost every park built after 2000 has reduced it's capacity in one way or another. (Cincinnati is the only outlier I can think of, they've added seats)That's fine when you do renovations, but Stu ain't spending that money now. Hell, I'm surprised they put new turf down for the season. It's just semantics over the definition of capacity at this point.
Opening Day is a disaster for MLB. People don’t watch anymore. More are watching hockey and it’s almost playoffs. I used to watch MLB. I wasn’t even excited for opening day.
You must live in a bad baseball market.
Cities like Atlanta, St. Louis, Boston, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia have no problems selling out.
@@willp.8120 MLB is not entertaining anymore. Plus I am not as interested in watching other people doing things. I have a life.