As a Dad. I cannot justify spending $200 dollars to take my two kids to a game. We can go to a minor league city on vacation & have a blast for $40 dollars.
And, while the season lasts, watching COLLEGE baseball . . ,.even good HS teams. . .is still a bargain. Professional baseball, like its overpriced cousins, is rapidly pricing itself out of family budgets.
I think part of the attendance problem with any team is $10 Hot Dogs, $8 Sodas, $7 Popcorn and $15 Beer. If a guy takes his two kids to a game for lets say at $35 a ticket, 3 Hot Dogs, 2 Sodas, 2 Popcorns, and Dad has 2 Beers. Then add $20 for parking, that's a total of $215 and then if the kids want a hat or jersey it's another $50+. That's a lot of money for a day at the ballgame, so their probably not going to go to a lot of games in a season.
Hockey is plain and simple more exciting, more dangerous, more athletic. You'll never see a Kirk (Jays) be even close to being as athletic as a hockey player, even a high school hockey player. Baseball is boring.
@@abbush2921 There's hitting, fighting, the most speed of any team sport, it takes less time to complete than other sports, the playoffs are the best and sudden death overtime is unmatched. LOL all you want, woxyroxme is right.
I’m biased because I’m from pittsburgh but the 2013 WC against the reds was the coolest stadium experience I’ve ever had. The whole city had bucco fever and we could have it again if management showed a clear commitment to being competitive in the long run!
Only team in baseball history to never reach 2.5 million fans in attendance, even in their good years. The whole city hasn't had bucco fever since the Steelers took over in the '70s.
In general, baseball has become unaffordable for the average person. Ticket prices, food and drink prices...too high. But what do you expect when they pay so many players $10 - 50 million a year. Some make in one game what it takes me two years to earn, and I have a good job.
I do not have an issue with players' salaries. Remember, no matter how much the players make, the owners make more. And have more. The owners are merely passing the operating costs onto the spectators.
@@russellgoff6524yes! I've always been a labor over management guy, or in this case, players over owners. I think they could both stand to make a little less so a trip to the ballpark wasn't prohibitively expensive for the average American to attend more than a game or two a year. I'm a lifelong Cubs fan and I've watched Wrigleyville go from a neighborhood to a cash extraction district.
@@joeshoe6184 Yes, I'm all for players, any workers for that matter, making as much money as they can and in solidarity with one another. BUT lol the sport has suffered because of it. For hardcore fans, there isn't much of a team concept any more because of the rapid turnover of rosters due to free agency. (I don't think the "average fan"---who is the only one who doesn't flinch at the ticket price---really cares about whether the home team's roster is completely different from one year to the next.) Many of the players are apathetic and spoiled. Fundamentals take a back seat because the contracts are guaranteed. I hate to say it, but for working class fans like me, the game was better when the players were treated like commodities and tied to their teams and could really use the playoff money. How ironic is that?
Attendance problems, well I can think of many reasons that have nothing to do with how good a team is. Grossly overpaid crybaby players, obscene ticket prices, worse than obscene concession prices, etc, just to name a few. I used to love going to ballgames but why break the home budget when you can just catch all the baseball you want on cable.
You forgot to mention obscenely wealthy owners. You are like so many other fans who place the onus on "grossly overpaid crybaby players," but never mention the greed of the already rich owners, who want even more of the pie. Aren't they also crybabies? Aren't YOU a crybaby.
None of you would turn down the $ that the players are offered by owners. I love baseball and watch every game I can,either in person or on tv. The owners give these huge contracts and then turn around and cry about how much the talent gets paid. The biggest problem in baseball is that a few teams ruin it for every other team. Yankees,Dodgers and a few others shovel out money to players and the other smaller market teams cannot afford to do that.
Maybe the problem is the cost to attend a game. Florida residents are in large part on a fixed income so while these millionaire players and billionaire owners are happy, we the taxpayers/fans help fund these venues through taxes. Baseball is no longer a sport it's a business who doesn't respect it's fans.
Where to build a new stadium to replace the Trop. Some suggest the State Fair grounds, near Tampa.some wanted it on the bay in St. Pete. (dome less) I didn't know they were considering a new stadium next to Tropicana.
i agree but it will never happen. baseball union is too strong and the owners cave every time talk of a cap comes up. when you can manipulate what little bit of a baseball cap that baseball has like the dodgers did this year, the fans don't stand a chance. the handwriting is on the wall for baseball, it will be the first major sport to lose teams rather than expand.
@@denisjl100Rich owners used to vigorously fight against revenue sharing, but that ended up coming about. They just made huge changes to speed up the game because of poor fan attendance/viewership. If attendance numbers keep dropping, then the majority of owners will experience lower profits causing TV rights deals to potentially decline in the future. Owners may not have a choice but to institute a salary cap.
@@sebsun the salary cap would be welcomed by the owners, the problem is the player's union. they fight putting a limit on salaries at every turn. i think that that they would rather ruin the game than give in on salaries.
Baseball used to be affordable to blue-collar workers. Only the well off can afford it now. The only way most afford it is with credit which is drying up. Add inflation to that mix and couple that with pretty high compensation packages for all involved and you have a recipe for lower attendance. Sure, bad owners are contributor along with teams that can't achieve winning records, but I suggest its more to do with the economy and overpriced tickets...
Yeah, true. The working class was always the main target group of baseball - both in terms of fans and players. Football was always much more expensive as it was always more a sport of the middle class, and also the NFL has much fewer games per season and bigger, more expensive stadiums, so naturally it was always much more expensive while baseball was affordable. Now it is just becoming too expensive for average blue-collar Americans.
Similar in KC. I attended a Royals game there last year and it was amazingly cheap for great seats and concessions. Sad that the Royals are going to build a new park.
Les propriétaires signent aux joueurs des contrats indécents, celui d'Otahni entre autre c'est un scandale, les fans vont finir par se tanner et ne plus se présenter aux matchs.
Most ballparks that dont sell out are relatively cheap to go to. Its ballparks that sellout that can charge an arm and a leg. Look at the Toronto Blue Jays. They dont sell well when the team doesnt perform (10 years ago, you got an upper deck seat for $10), but when they make the playoffs, the fans show up. With their renovations, the upper deck is $25. I used to be able to get lower deck outfield seats for $30, now, the same seats are going to cost me $90. Also, with the renovation, they took out MANY seats, and theyre going to be close to selling out nearly every game.
I regularly get bleachers or upper deck at Yankee Stadium for under $20 on stubhub. Split the huge chicken and fries bucket and get the $1 water from the guy outside the stadium and we're set.
The good news about Oakland is if you’re a transplant or want to see top tier opposing teams particularly for a mid week series, tickets will be SUPER affordable
Yeah, as long as you don't get killed getting in or out of Oakland, it's SUPER affordable. Trips to the ER, not so much. The A's would have to pay me to go to a game in Oakland.
@@markstevens4264 Or paying to get you car windows replaced, if your car is still there when you leave the game. The outer parking lots are only a chain link fence away from some bad areas.
@@Nick-dy4gkthere are a loud contingent of Cleveland fans who keep pointing out that the name change didn't affect the situation. Time will tell. I do not believe the attendance numbers. Dodgers and yankees stadium looks like 40k ppl. Cleveland stadium looks like 12-15k ppl and 20k+ are always reported.
As a Miami native, we must also take into account, the Florida Marlins as a franchise, have always been fucked by bad owners. Fire sales after the world series, and false promises by Loria, Henry, and Heizenga, made the Miami fan base jaded, cynical, slow to trust, and yes, apathetic.
attendance has been going back up since 2020 and I believe we will have the best year in the last decade this year. The Marlins have been doing things 6.5/10 whereas before it was more like 2.5/10. The WBC and Caribbean Series have been hugely successful and hopefully will help continue draw in larger crowds. I am optimistic about our future for sure.
I can point out that one of your other teams, the Panthers, also has up and down attendance. How about other teams like the Dolphins, etc? If it's happening across multiple teams, that could be a market saturation issue with more sports teams then your market can handle. I don't think the Panthers have been particularly badly managed, at least not over the past 10-20 years or so, and you've had some pretty good teams the last few years in particular, though attendance has come up the last couple of years in response.
@@Seriously_Unseriousexcuse me!? Know what you’re talking about! The Panthers have not only sold out every home game this year, but we average and over capacity at home! Dolphins have been selling out every home game for years, OVER Capacity as well and the Heat have sold out every home game since 2010! Before typing, please do your research and talk what you know and not what you think! Marlins is the only issue because of the shitty owners in the past! Miami wins, or get stars we sellout every home game, play with us and we just refuse to support shitty on purpose product! Miami sports will never go nowhere. Miami metro is a baseball market and we are baseball fanatics but the product use to be shitty but it’s been good this past season with better seasons to come! Y’all kill me speaking on a market that you either are not from or don’t have an understanding of why things happens a certain way…
Right but bottom line you can’t expect and blame the fans for being reluctant though. Past owners have shown us why we shouldn’t spend our money when they don’t even spend the money they have to invest in the organization in whichever way is best! So until they show us they want to win attendance won’t be the best unless we start to win consistently or actually acquire/sign the necessary players!
@@AntcmbHeat Dude - I looked up the stats. Attendance is good now, but it's been down in the past, and in the mid 10s it was around the 13-14 k range, before that it was up in the 16k + range, before that it was mid to low teens range. The attendance seems to fluctuate with the team's performance, dropping off into the mid to low teens when in a rebuild, and up to sell outs when in a contender or at least competitive phase. Just Google it.
Watch Boston this year. Media talking heads point out that Fenway will always have decent sized crowds because it is a genuine tourist destination, but the Nation is very very angry. After choosing not to keep Mookie, letting Xander go, paying Sale bazillions to pitch about 5 games in 4 years and letting even moderately good players like J.D. Martinez, Alex Verdugo etc go..... not to mention pitchers like Porcillo..... They said they were going to be aggressive this past offseason and bring in talent. They did nothing. Ownership and management were viciously booed during their Spring Caravan type event . You will very likely see Tuesday afternoon games vs Oakland, KC and Cleveland with about 13 or 14 thousand rattling around Fenway in the future. For decades a crowd of under thirty thousand was unthinkable. Red Sox mgmt. has it's hands around the throat of the golden goose and they seem intent on killing it.
Well said! I’m a Marlins fan so you can only imagine how awful our management had been, always! Even Sox fans will stop showing up… it’s not that fans don’t have loyalty, but why should I spend my hard earned money when you not showing us you want to win?
Baseball used to be the national pastime and was at least in the 70s and 80s equal to football But at some point Major League Baseball decided to just like boxing did go to Cable / satellite pay-per-view only meaning that 25% of the population, those of us that do not have cable satellite do not get to watch the games yet our tax dollars pay for the upkeep of the stadiums That's why attendance is down in baseball Baseball is no longer part of the community Baseball is basically a reality show now! The federal government needs to remove baseball from its antitrust exemption given that baseball no longer serves the public trust what's the people
There were also the doping scandals and lockouts of the 90s, which severely affected attendance, and generally, baseball just doesn't appeal to the youth anymore as much as it used to. Football, basketball, hockey and soccer offer much more excitement and much more action on the field, plus every single action can decide over the outcome of the game. MLB attendance is by far the oldest on average of all American professional sports and is also the one that has decreased the most over the past 30 years.
Show what metric reflects a 'sharp downturn in the economy'. I've been to two games. I can afford it. Maybe it's all those Soros checks I get all the time.
The Giants might have sold that many tickets, but there definitely weren't that many fans in the stands last year. Expect less this year with a rotation of Logan Webb and 4 question marks.
Weird how Florida doesn't seem to care much about baseball. You'd think with it being a summer state in most spots the entire year and with a high Latino population that the state would care more.
@@patbrennan6572If a winter sport is able to draw more attendance in Florida than a summer sport that used to be America's most popular sport for about a century, then that really tells a lot how MLB is struggling to attract attendance, and how others, like football, basketball, hockey and soccer, just do it much better.
Guardians??? That says a lot about the attendance problem and to ignore that fact regardless how bad the team is; at least fans had a connections when they were called the Indians, not anymore. The only way you get enough people to watch a Cleveland baseball team now is to watch the movie "Major League".
I went to a game last year - I usually go to one game a year (June/July/August). Cleveland also has bad weather usually earlier in the season and sometimes later. Games in April/early May is usually bad. Usually September is good weather wise but if the team isn't competitive that usually affects attendance. Occasionally you'll get bad weather in late September. Honestly, I think the Southern teams should be mostly away in summer, and Northern teams mostly homes but they never make the schedule like that.
@jeffthewhiff And over time, younger folks will forget the former name, just like New Yorkers forgot that the LA Dodgers used to be the Brooklyn Dodgers. The NY fans were VERY upset when that move happened. How many people these days even know that?
I get into two Nats games from blood drives at the stadium. The seats they give us are always high up, but since nobody goes to games, I would move to right behind the dugout in the 3rd inning.
And fair weather fans. Dodger Stadium packs at least 45k EVERY GAME even during slumps (one of the reasons they have so much money for all those players).
With the exception of Kansas City, all these stadiums seem to have one thing in common: placement in a BLIGHTED area, i.e., HIGH CRIME, and fans with money and nice cars won't go to such an area! And the Royals propose to locate their new downtown KC stadium in such an environment! Who said all rich business folk were SMART?
Thing is, even in a city like Baltimore, when you go to a Ravens or O's game you're surrounded by tens of thousands of fans. I have not heard of any instance of a fan being bothered .
Gainsford’s Law! Named after the legendary trainer & business advisor of boxer Sugar Ray Robinson. Back when big draw boxing matches were held in stadiums and later with closed circuit theaters, different venues or syndicates would bid against each other to get to handle the big event. In a hot & heavy negotiation, some rival argued his group, not Gainsford, should have the promotion because his group of theaters had more seats. Gainsford landed the big fight when he shot right back with what became known as Gainsford’s Law: “It ain’t how many seats you got, it’s how many asses you got in them seats”. George Gainsford, R.I.P.
The only thing that can fix the Rays’ attendance in Tampa is a move to Tampa proper, ideally into the Ybor district. The Rays actually do very well in terms of local TV and radio ratings, but nobody wants to deal with the Hillsborough Bridge to get to St. Pete and attend in person. But I fully believe they can draw 30k per game if they move to Tampa proper.
Is it cause the city of Tampa or the county doesn’t want to give them tax dollars for a new ballpark? As why the Rays ownership went back to St Pete & their county’s leadership for Taxes on a new ballpark & have tentative plan.
@@S_Over_Street Yup, it 's exactly that. The difference between the tax dollars the city of Tampa and the city of St Pete are wiling to put up is very significant. The Rays ownership is very cheap and really looking to spend the least amount as possible. Would a stadium in Tampa significantly help attendance? Absolutely, but it seems like the ship has sailed.
There was a weekend recently where the Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp (the Marlins AAA team) averaged more fans than the Marlins. I see where the MLB isn't working in Florida, but I've been to a couple of minor league stadiums in Florida and they seem draw pretty decent crowds.
Also, other sports teams like the Panthers and Lightning seem capable of drawing well, especially the Lightning (though they've won a few Stanley Cups within the last 5 years so they've had some great teams to get behind on ice at least), so it could be a location or management issue for the baseball teams. Someone else from the Miami area commented that the Marlins are chronically terribly managed, and that will turn off even the most rabid fan base eventually.
A lot of people dropped season tickets after they hit everyone up for a second PSL after they said they would only have to pay one. They also removed some of the outfield seats which people liked. They still are just outside the top 10 and not bad for a team that is just dreadful to watch.
PNC is a terrific ballpark -- one of the most beautiful in all of baseball (as is Camden Yards). And Pittsburgh has become a wonderful, livable city. The Pirates have a long, storied history. The only reason they have been bad since 2016 is that their contemptible owner is a cheapskate. Historically, even when they develop outstanding players, they let them go as soon as they become eligible for free agency. Disgraceful ownership.
The owner, Robert Nutting, knows it's nothing more than a business and treats it as such. Smart guy. Why not pocket those millions rather than pay huge salaries.
Florida has proven they dont want the MLB. It's just that simple. Rays will not solve anything with a new stadium. Look at the Marlins with a new stadium.
Well, to be fair the Marlins hasn't been all that good since they played in that stadium. The Rays standpoint, they have a great team, but have 2 problems: One, the stadium, Two, it's in a bad location. If they build a stadium in Tampa, then their attendance will skyrocket.
@@kingmo8789 Maybe, I am a hard maybe on moving them to Tampa will result in increased attendance. I mean less than 20,000 to playoff games this last year was eye opening. You can name any excuse you want to, and some are valid (I read many during when it happened.) But I'd argue, I live in MN, and the Twins packed 40,000 on short notice during an afternoon game last year to open up the playoffs. I drove 3 hours to go to that game. In fact many fans from all over the state drove 1-3 hours to get to that game. To see empty Trop for playoff baseball was a huge alarm to MLB.
I remember decades ago MLB kept trying to keep a team out of Tampa. I suspect the owners knew that the team would have attendance issues for years to come. I do blame the owners more in Miami - having fire sales after you win the WS is a terrible message.
D*Backs fan here. You talk about them moving to Scottsdale like a relocation. Scottsdale and Phoenix are the same market. We have multiple cities here in The Valley that would be major metro area anchors in other states. A ‘move’ to Scottsdale would be fine. Love the channel!
As someone from the Phoenix area, what is going on with your sports attendance? Seems like you've also got issues with the Coyotes as well, who are in danger of moving, possibly to Salt Lake City or, who knows, maybe even Quebec City? That would be interesting if the Coyotes did move to Quebec as they came from Canada in the form of Winnipeg and would be ending up back in Canada again. Still, I feel for you in Phoenix having multiple sports teams struggling. Are any of your other big league teams struggling also?
@@Seriously_UnseriousThe Coyotes is a much different scenario lmao. We genuinely never cared for the Coyotes. Our baseball team has fans they just haven't had a winning product they'll be fine. Give them a winning product and they'll come. Just like the sun's. Sell out after sell out. And it's next door to the Chase field. We love our home grown teams.
@@nadaesfacil So would you say if the Coyotes moved and you got an expansion team your fans would support that better then a transplanted Winnipeg Jets team?
@@Seriously_UnseriousIt is the same situation with the Oakland A's, Las Vegas would rather have an expansion team than the A's. Las Vegas natives Bryce Harper and Paul Sewald who now pitches for the D'backs
Born and raised in south Florida, I can say that there is actually quite a demand for baseball in the state. The problem is that no one who lives here roots for the Florida teams. More than half of the people who live in Florida are not from here, and if they are their parents aren’t. Pretty much all of my baseball friends aren’t fans of the rays or the marlins because they choose whatever team their parents are loyal to (partly because of the teams being quite boring and bad). If anyone has ever watched a game when the Yankees or Mets are in Florida, the stands are packed with yankee or Mets fans. It’s honestly kinda sad as a Florida native. The main problem with the rays is the location of the stadium. Being in St. Petersburg makes it almost impossible for Tampa residents to drive to games without having to sit in their car for two hours. I live about 2.5 hours away from both the stadiums and going to a rays game would take me probably close to 4 hours by car. With that being said, Orlando is basically the heart of Florida baseball and I think them moving to Orlando would help a lot, but I don’t think we will ever see consistently high attendance unless one of the teams becomes very good for a long while.
I can also add that, while it's a different sport, you Florida people do support your 2 hockey teams quite well, especially the Lightning, so perhaps it's an issue with bad management for your baseball teams not getting support. The people of Tampa seem to love their Lightning! Miami seems to support their Panthers when they're good and drift away when they're rebuilding. What's support like in Miami for your other sports teams and how well managed are they?
Marlins problem is ownership’s problem! Nothing else but that! Even show up when the owners have constantly showed us otherwise? Put product on the field and Miami shows up! You show us you don’t want to win we will not come! It’s way too much to do in Miami besides sports
Reds had their best attendance since 2015. Took awhile for numbers to recover from Covid. Past four seasons they haven't been that bad - even going to the NLWC in 2020. Aside from a terrible 2022 they've at least been in wild card race for most seasons.
As for the White Sox, where they play isn't the problem. Bridgeport has supported them for 110 years, that's not the only issue. As for KC, I think downtown stadiums are the way to go, but I will be sad to see kauffman go away.
We’ve been spoiled in KC with the location of the ballpark. Easy in easy out not much problem with crime. Now stick us downtown, to deal with parking nightmares and crime. Look at the sprint center( downtown) Just ask a few of the regulars that attend events and find out how many end up with their cars stolen or vandalized or are approached by thugs, no thanks I’ll stay home and spend my money on other entertainment that I don’t have to worry about someone waiting on an easy score. My kids don’t need to be exposed to that nonsense, besides that the team sucks and now you’re making it harder to have a 2 or 3 hour escape from the reality of nonsense.
As an orioles fan there’s been no reason to go for quite a few years. However when it was apparent they were good last year they had great attendance. Now with new ownership and great young players I doubt attendance will be low
Not only is Tropicana Field a crappy ballpark it's in a crappy area. I went to one game and the cops had no, I mean zero, clue on how to control the flow of traffic. They relied on our nororiously crappy traffic lights to control the flow and then spent their time yelling at drivers and chasing people out of the left-lane they needed to be in to get to the crappy parking lot because they were in an intersection, an intersection that didn't matter because they did such a crappy job in the first place and relied on crappy traffic lights. If I sound a bit redundant it's because that's how things roll in St. Pete. Florida is also known for narrow streets, especially in the older parts of a city which means they would have to tear down entire business sections to widen the roads to the point they could support large volumes of people. And then there is the problem of so many transplants like me living here. I'm a Tiger fan. Have been my whole life and will remain one until the day I die. The Bolts actually have the best homegrown fanbase in the Tampa/St. Pete area. Go figure, hockey is king in the heart of Dixie...eh. All we need now is Tim Horton's and Don Cherry. I know there is a plan in place to build another crappy ballpark in the same crappy area but they would be better served if they moved the franchise to Orlando. Or moved it out of the state entirely. Florida is all about spring training and minor league franchises. The market in the state can barely support one team let alone two. I may have given Tropicana a crappy review but crappy is as crappy does. That place sucks.
Well put,sir! As a Red Sox fan I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. Central Avenue can't compare to Lansdowne,Jersey and Brookline Avenue. And Ferg's ain't no Cask And Flagon. Don't know if you are close to Tigertown but as for me going to Fenway South it's a solid four hour drive from Daytona area.
O's attendance jumped by almost 600,000 in 2023. I expect they'll draw somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.2-2.3 million this season--(which is about what they were averaging in the Adam Jones/Buck Showalter seasons.)
You're dead wrong about the A's attendance being fixed once (if) they relocate. They'll continue to have attendance problems as long as Fisher owns the team no matter where they play.
The new Las Vegas stadium will only seat 33K, which will make it better optics than showing a large stadium with 66K seats mostly empty. I propose to put a casino down in the bottom. I know its across the intersection from MGM, NY NY etc. but maybe a gambling screen at each seat..../sar
The obvious solution is to get rid of a lot of teams. Once upon a time, a large number of young men in the US plays the game semi-professionally as well as in schools. The demographics have chased, so the talent pool has dried up. Then there are the mounting costs of attending. The rise of free agency meant that fans felt less and less connection with the players. The homer scandal of the ‘90s and strikes was a body blow. The shriveling of minor league baseball. et al.
There are not as many African Americans in the game and it has damaged the quality of play. Too many hot dogs on the field, posturing, signing, crossing, pointing at the sky. Arrogance and attitude in droves. Sloppy play, poor fundamentals, lack of composure, and unprofessionalism. It's a terrible game now. Fans are not going to pay a premium for the poor product. African Americans with talent have moved elsewhere. Look at the NBA. The game is silly now and the refereeing and favoritism always questionable, but the integrity is intact, and it's more popular then ever.
@@schartattack Kofa was talking about the fans don't get any respect, they have a passionate fan base in fact some players said they signed there because of the atmosphere. It is ownership that is garbage.
It will never happen, but the Marlins and Rays should just be shut down, Brewers and Astros should be back in leagues they we’re originally in and just have two divisions in AL and NL. MLB too watered down w talent and dumb ass structure of divisions and playoffs and not worth going any longer. Extremely ignorant and lazy commissioner along w owners. It’s sad as I used to love the game.
Professional baseball lost its mojo for me and my family. First, it got too expensive. Everything is a rip off. We started going to our minor league team and it was a lot of fun. It was way more family friendly. It was just too far away to make it for every game. But monthly of better was a ball for our family when they were younger. The only time I went to a major league game was a friends business had seats, okay not great seats and we went on their nickel. Parking, food, drinks made it such that when that opportunity came up again, I said no. Now I understand they feel the need to offer huge salary’s to attract players to their team, but my buying parking, a few drinks and some cheesy food at triple or better a normal price just doesn’t work for us. If they want fans, they need to treat their fans like they are valuable and not like some accountants statistic to figure out how to get even more money. It just ain’t popular if it hurts you, and modern baseball main focus seems on how they can hurt their fans even more. Huge new ball parks with super expensive shops looks good on paper to people who get bonus’s in the millions. Not so much for those who earn their money.
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Hoping the rays get relocated, instead of building a new stadium. And it’s not the stadium’s issues that are keeping people away. They had over 48,000 people there in January for the Royal Rumble
I would guarantee that if Pete Rose would be inducted into the hall of fame, the attendance percentage would rise. Put him in and I'll start looking into to attending games again
Great call. The same guy that banned him ruined the future of baseball. It has been downhill ever since! Baseball loves betting now as it is where they are making all the side money they don't have to pay players. Soon, we will see questionsble outcomes based on the wagers in Vegas.
Who can afford to take a family to a ballgame? Here in the Tampa area people dont care about sports like up north. Plenty of other activities in Florida. Esp. For the money spent.
Part of the problem is Fl has so many transplants that have no history or attachment to the area nor family history with the team like up North and out west.
I live in the TB area, too. I would say that people here care about college sports more than they care about pro sports. That said, I bought a single ticket to 2 Rays games plus parking and it cost me over $200. That's insane. The Rays do very well on TV and radio and and they do sell merch.
A former co-worker of Cuban extraction says that the reason that the Marlins don't draw is that locals there don't want to watch baseball, they want to play baseball. No idea how accurate his opinion is, but it was interesting to hear.
@@scotttild That doesn't explain why the Panthers, when they're doing well, draw near capacity crowds, and the Lightning sell out every game. There has to be something more to it then just "the people don't want to." Clearly when it comes to hockey, they do want to watch. Either the ball parks are bad, the teams are bad or the management is bad, but something's keeping people away from their MLB ballparks and it's not just "they don't like watching baseball." If that's the case, then why are they willing to forgo the beach to watch ICE hockey? Florida and ICE hardly seem like a good mix, yet their NHL teams draw.
@@scotttildare you slow? The Panthers literally go over capacity every home game and the Heat have been doing the same since 2010! Before speaking speak facts and do your reach! All Miami teams sell out every home game but the Marlins and that’s simply because historically management been super shitty….
@@Seriously_Unserioushe’s idiotic and doesn’t know our market! All our teams draw but the Marlins and it’s just due to horrible management. Marlins have fans inspite of it being a huge transplant area but can’t expect fans to show if your not willing to field a winner
In the late 70s, I had read that White Sox home games had the best "Party Atmosphere" in all of MLB. Several of my college friends said that, since the stadium was in such a Bad neighborhood, one did not dare go in a group of fewer than 10 people. Now it makes sense. Fans just brought their parties to the ballpark LOL
The Rays need to get out of St Pete. Ive been there for a few games and its just a terrible place to go. They need to go to either downtown Tampa or move to Orlando.
I say move to the Rays to Tampa. Prime example: The Tampa Bay Lightning. Their started in St. Pete and when moved to Downtown Tampa, they drew great crowds and they're very successful.
@@kingmo8789 Are the Lightning located in Downtown Tampa? I know they're selling out most every game, though albeit they've had some great teams lately, even winning a few Stanley Cups within the last 5 or 6 years, with star players like Stamkos and St Louis to excite a crowd.
@@Seriously_Unserious yes they are in downtown. There have been rumblings of getting the Rays to Tampa. Tropicana Field is not hard to get to, but when the 2024 Royal Rumble sets the attendance record, well you know your team is kind of in trouble.
They been the problem but it’s easy to blame fans as the scapegoat because not the owners not making as much but if you field a team I’m sure all these fans will show
The cost is a factor in Australia too. Food prices, parking, ticket prices. Kids today are the fans of tomorrow and families can't afford to go nowadays .
They'll always be the Indians to me, and I'm a Tiger fan. Getting Tom Hanks to try and sell that hideous name change was just more proof it was a sucky idea.
When MLB went Woke, there viewership went down 40 percent, as it should, what they did to Atlanta the all-star game was a joke, changing the Cleveland Indians name cost them a 50 percent drop in attendance Oakland is the shit hole of America Mlb did this to themselves, blackout local games is a joke
@@gogreen7794no. It's not sad it was part of our families' history. Over 100 years. But who cares? Cleveland is dying. The team will move after the Dolan's cash out.
LOL awwww. ALL TV ratings and overall attendance - up the past two years. Enough with your fake grievance politics. The 'anti-woke' agenda didn't produce any winners, so try again.
Besides Oakland, the bottom 4 Miami, Tampa, and Phoenix all have tons of non-natives who moved to the area for retirement or work, so loyalty may not be as strong. As a Florida transplant, I can tell you that the area of the stadiums for st Pete and Miami have a lot to do with attendance too. Miami is terrible with the traffic and the surrounding area is suspect.
Help me to understand this issue. The Dodgers have a 63-year-old stadium. It took me 2 1/2 hrs to get to the game last night due to heavy traffic. The game was a sellout, announced 52, 727, Wed night. I don't understand these other. teams issues.
Make the stadium smaller, eliminate the box wedge beyond the bases making a more attractive upper deck, obviously eliminate outfield upper deck. With a 30 or more foot high box, elevated and starting behind the lower deck, the first rows between the bases of the upper deck are already witness level seats, let along the corners of the upper deck.
i haven't watched a full MLB game since the last strike. The umpires contract is up for revue in 2025. Could be another strike. I found other things to do other than baseball.
The Trop is just a terrible stadium, I live in Florida and took a 3 hour trip to catch a game at the Trop. Jesus that place feels like you can’t breathe because the lack of natural air flow. I will never go back to that stadium
As someone who grew up watching games in the concrete mausoleum that was the Kingdome, seeing a game in the Trop was a welcome breath of (literally) fresh air in terms of domed stadium baseball.
The biggest factor is lack of a salary cap in MLB. Pittsburgh and Kansas City draw good crowds when they have good teams. Contrast the Royals with the Chiefs. They Chiefs have a lot of support because they are able to field competitive teams due to the NFL salary cap. The big market teams have no advantage in other sports. Only baseball.
Certainly part of it . The problem with the cap in football though is the volume of movement which undermines the fans attachment to the team . Not sure how to fix that but would definitely rather see a more even playing field.
Cleveland baseball team offers a monthly pass. You pay once and are able to get in every game that month for SRO and get to the ballpark bars. Are they counting the sold ticket once for attendance or every time scanned in. If the latter and the person goes to 15 games a month, the team is making $5-6 a game. The gate receipts would be the real measure. Cleveland would look a lot worse.
The Diamondbacks play in a ballpark designed more for revenue than for seeing the game in person. I bought a season ticket first year a few rows up from first base, but to squeeze in more seats they made them face the outfield. Keeping my neck cranked full left with all the shoulder room removed from the row of seats didn't warrant a re-buy. Haven't bothered with a game there since the Yankee World Series.
Pittsburgh has a floor for a D level team is about 1,200,000. When there is something to be excited they do draw. Max possible is just over 2,000,000 and they have hit it. The overall total drag is dead games. Early cold games. Mid week games with a fair team. When all hope is lost with shit on the field. So even with 60 games over 20,000 and 30 game in the 30,000 range the dead games hold the total down. Give Pittsburgh ANYTHING to excite they come. A loved player returns. A loved play traded and comes back on a new team. A stud first games up from the farm. Or WIN.
You guys, and MLB doesn't get it. Until MLB does something, whether a salary cap or something to allow smaller market teams to be CONSISTENTLY competitive nothing is going to change. Everyone knows that the Yankees, the Red Sox or the Dodgers are going to win the series before spring training starts. Until they address that, which they won't, nothing is going to change.
MLB desperately needs a salary cap. Yankees, dodgers just buy their teams. It’s pathetic. They don’t care about the luxury tax cause they are such huge markets.
Your comment about the D-Backs attendance due to almost not making the playoffs is spot on and proof of the ridiculousness of the MLB playoff system. Marginal teams can get hot at the right time and ruin the season of more deserving, better teams. It has become similar to the NHL, who hands out points like candy at Halloween.
And yet they hit 1.9 million in a mid-market city. While I'm not a fan of the expanded [and expanded AND expanded] playoff system foe Baseball, they did make it in with a hot September and rode that all the way to the WS. Don't blame them for playing well in the fall. And when it IS the playoff ... there is not an empty seat to be seen in Chase ... or the BOB as it was called when I lived there.
What is crazy is that the A's actually used to be a top five team for attendance year after year from 1988 to 1993. Then the Haas Family sold the team, and they built Mount Davis. Before that, the Coliseum was a nice place to watch a game.
A lot of attendance issues are expense related. MLB has lost the market of people who can barely afford their product. It’s just too expensive for average fans to go to the games.
@theamaranthineman574 Are you implying that because the game was first integrated in 1947, it's now dying? Or are you so sensitive that name changes upset you? Over the decades, teams have changed names, cities, stadiums, uniform colors and designs, and players, coaches, owners, come and go. So what?
I will say the orioles attendance was ramping up as the season was going along. I think this upcoming season if they don’t disappoint will be more indicative
My issue with Chase Field is that retractable roof. I do not like watching baseball indoors, I only want to go when the roof is open but there's no way to know, they never announce when it's open so I just have to guess and every time it was closed so I stopped going. I believe last I heard, the roof was broken so it was permanently closed so I haven't gone in a while.
I watch our AA team 50 miles inland of LA. It’s got boutique beer (the Dodgers only have crap corporate beer) and decent food. A nice little stadium and fireworks on Friday and Saturday.
The ironic thing is the Tampa Bay Lightning have no problems drawing for the NHL. Drawing for hockey in Florida over baseball is insane, but it probably helps that the Lightning last season were coming off a bit of a dynasty with multiple Stanley Cups and Cup appearances recently, which may be drawing attendance away from the Rays if the Rays are struggling a bit lately. The Lightning have been drawing steadily 19092, which I assume is their maximum capacity. The Florida Panthers have been up and down in their attendance historically, but they're up lately. Ironic how the Sunshine State is drawing better for ICE hockey then for summer sports. Maybe it's the novelty of a sport played on ice along the shores of the Caribbean and Gulf coast or their hockey franchises have just put together consistently better teams or something?
What no one wants to admit about Cleveland is that the name change chased off a lot of die hard Indians fans! I am an Indians fan from the time I was 4 years old back in the early 1970’s. I will NEVER be a Guardians fan!
Same!!!! Lots of good times at Indians games. They are dead to me now. And the media REFUSES to talk about us! The best part is my children are Browns fans now only. Not Cleveland baseball fans. The Dolan's & MLB lost our family's old fans who died during COVID, the current stewards, AND GENZ. Millennials are taking their kids tho. Move the team out of here so we can stop being bludgeoned by the constant propaganda.
I can believe that changing the Cleveland ball club name to "Guardians" did discourage a lot of Indians' fans from continuing to support the team. I still can't figure out why the name "Indians" is so offensive.
I feel bad for yall. I'm not a fan of Cleveland baseball, but after what they did to suck up to the whiners, I won't watch games of my own team if they're playing Cleveland. I won't call them whatever they're called either.
How to kill America’s pastime: 1. Overpay players 2. Necessarily overcharge fans 3. Juice the baseball 4. Obliterate historical achievements 5. Tear down historical ballparks 6. Fake history with new stadia 7. Change 125 yr old rules 8. Obliterate more historical achievements. 9. Encourage thuggish lack of sportsmanship 10. Sit back and watch the cash roll out.
Ted Williams never got more than $125,000. Even allowing for inflation, we see players who would never have reached the majors in the ‘50s getting paid far more. Plus I find today.s baseball a much less interesting game.
Miami is a failure because ownership is profiteering from stadium subsidies and revenue sharing. Miami is booming, lots of growth and an emerging new tech and investment hub, and the stadium though not top 5, is definitely modern and above average. Miami is a baseball hotbed, look at the University of Miami and the pool of players that hail from South Florida, but what should be a crown jewel at the doorstep of baseball crazy Latin America is a moribund welfare recipient of a franchise with no ambition beyond turning a profit via cost cutting and a lack of investment in player development.
The A’s becoming homeless in California is sort of ironic
nah just fake fans. When As went to the playoffs in 2016 that stadium was packed.
Wow .
That comment is priceless.
Good job . 👍
People are probably moving out of California in general in droves for at least 2 main reasons
@@juanarroyo2317 it was 40k every night back in 90s
Does anyone in California have any money left at the end of the month?
Maybe if between tickets, food, etc it didn't cost a family of 4 like $400 people would go.
Maybe if they didn’t pay the top players 30 million + a year it wouldn’t cost so much! 💸💸💸
Most just want to see a game not buy a team
Add to the fact that the city of Oakland is rapidly catching up to Memphis on the America’s most dangerous cities list.
Yes, and has Past Detroit, who was just behind Menphis in USA dangerous big cities.
It's not like there's a lack of effort from Chicago to catch up.
Chicago and Philadelphia are saying " Bro. Hey. Look over here."
@@williamford9564 You can add NYC to the list
Nonsense!
As a Dad. I cannot justify spending $200 dollars to take my two kids to a game.
We can go to a minor league city on vacation & have a blast for $40 dollars.
Exactly!!
And, while the season lasts, watching COLLEGE baseball . . ,.even good HS teams. . .is still a bargain. Professional baseball, like its overpriced cousins, is rapidly pricing itself out of family budgets.
how do you have a blast? describe a blast to me? sounds like you are exaggerating.
$200? For my family of 5 to go to a Yankees game, park, eat, buy the necessary merchandise & half-way decent tickets, we’re spending $500 - $750.
@@DavidZinselmeierEasy. Go to a minor league game and spend quality time with your family. Not too hard to figure out.
I think part of the attendance problem with any team is $10 Hot Dogs, $8 Sodas, $7 Popcorn and $15 Beer. If a guy takes his two kids to a game for lets say at $35 a ticket, 3 Hot Dogs, 2 Sodas, 2 Popcorns, and Dad has 2 Beers. Then add $20 for parking, that's a total of $215 and then if the kids want a hat or jersey it's another $50+. That's a lot of money for a day at the ballgame, so their probably not going to go to a lot of games in a season.
It’s called a discretionary spending. All these events have become luxury that owners and players screw up.
THEY’RE probably.. NOT their!!!
ALWAYS take your kids for a PIZZA …on the WAY to the ballpark!!!!!
And just to watch a $30,000,000 player scratch his nuts
Yes! the Greed 🤑 at the concession stands are out of control, across MLB ⚾
Never imagined that professional ice hockey would outdraw major league baseball in Florida.
The NHL is the most exciting league in sports
@@woxyroxme LOL !
Hockey is plain and simple more exciting, more dangerous, more athletic. You'll never see a Kirk (Jays) be even close to being as athletic as a hockey player, even a high school hockey player. Baseball is boring.
@@abbush2921 There's hitting, fighting, the most speed of any team sport, it takes less time to complete than other sports, the playoffs are the best and sudden death overtime is unmatched. LOL all you want, woxyroxme is right.
The Pirates attendance issues are 100% on ownership.
100%. The ballpark in Pittsburgh is awesome!
Won't support a jagoff owner, or MLB.@@Tank4Life
@@Tank4LifePNC is the nicest park I've ever attended.
I’m biased because I’m from pittsburgh but the 2013 WC against the reds was the coolest stadium experience I’ve ever had. The whole city had bucco fever and we could have it again if management showed a clear commitment to being competitive in the long run!
Only team in baseball history to never reach 2.5 million fans in attendance, even in their good years. The whole city hasn't had bucco fever since the Steelers took over in the '70s.
In general, baseball has become unaffordable for the average person. Ticket prices, food and drink prices...too high. But what do you expect when they pay so many players $10 - 50 million a year. Some make in one game what it takes me two years to earn, and I have a good job.
Baseball used to be the sport of the American working class, now they can't afford it anymore. That really seems to be the fatal flaw.
I do not have an issue with players' salaries. Remember, no matter how much the players make, the owners make more. And have more. The owners are merely passing the operating costs onto the spectators.
@@russellgoff6524yes! I've always been a labor over management guy, or in this case, players over owners. I think they could both stand to make a little less so a trip to the ballpark wasn't prohibitively expensive for the average American to attend more than a game or two a year. I'm a lifelong Cubs fan and I've watched Wrigleyville go from a neighborhood to a cash extraction district.
@@joeshoe6184 Yes, I'm all for players, any workers for that matter, making as much money as they can and in solidarity with one another. BUT lol the sport has suffered because of it. For hardcore fans, there isn't much of a team concept any more because of the rapid turnover of rosters due to free agency. (I don't think the "average fan"---who is the only one who doesn't flinch at the ticket price---really cares about whether the home team's roster is completely different from one year to the next.) Many of the players are apathetic and spoiled. Fundamentals take a back seat because the contracts are guaranteed. I hate to say it, but for working class fans like me, the game was better when the players were treated like commodities and tied to their teams and could really use the playoff money. How ironic is that?
Attendance problems, well I can think of many reasons that have nothing to do with how good a team is. Grossly overpaid crybaby players, obscene ticket prices, worse than obscene concession prices, etc, just to name a few. I used to love going to ballgames but why break the home budget when you can just catch all the baseball you want on cable.
You forgot to mention obscenely wealthy owners. You are like so many other fans who place the onus on "grossly overpaid crybaby players," but never mention the greed of the already rich owners, who want even more of the pie. Aren't they also crybabies? Aren't YOU a crybaby.
None of you would turn down the $ that the players are offered by owners. I love baseball and watch every game I can,either in person or on tv. The owners give these huge contracts and then turn around and cry about how much the talent gets paid. The biggest problem in baseball is that a few teams ruin it for every other team. Yankees,Dodgers and a few others shovel out money to players and the other smaller market teams cannot afford to do that.
Even in NYC going to see the Mets, riding the subway, and admission was relativity cheap at one time 25 years ago.
Maybe the problem is the cost to attend a game. Florida residents are in large part on a fixed income so while these millionaire players and billionaire owners are happy, we the taxpayers/fans help fund these venues through taxes.
Baseball is no longer a sport it's a business who doesn't respect it's fans.
That can be said about pro sports in general. Unfortunately, college football and basketball are heading in that direction.
Where to build a new stadium to replace the Trop. Some suggest the State Fair grounds, near Tampa.some wanted it on the bay in St. Pete. (dome less) I didn't know they were considering a new stadium next to Tropicana.
Easy solution, implement a salary cap rather than only having a handful of teams that have the ability to buy up every free agent of value.
i agree but it will never happen. baseball union is too strong and the owners cave every time talk of a cap comes up. when you can manipulate what little bit of a baseball cap that baseball has like the dodgers did this year, the fans don't stand a chance. the handwriting is on the wall for baseball, it will be the first major sport to lose teams rather than expand.
@@denisjl100Rich owners used to vigorously fight against revenue sharing, but that ended up coming about. They just made huge changes to speed up the game because of poor fan attendance/viewership. If attendance numbers keep dropping, then the majority of owners will experience lower profits causing TV rights deals to potentially decline in the future. Owners may not have a choice but to institute a salary cap.
@@sebsun the salary cap would be welcomed by the owners, the problem is the player's union. they fight putting a limit on salaries at every turn. i think that that they would rather ruin the game than give in on salaries.
Or bring back the reserve clause.
From Montreal and I believe a salary cap would have saved our Expos. Fans simply got fed up of being the unofficial farm team of the MLB.
Baseball used to be affordable to blue-collar workers. Only the well off can afford it now. The only way most afford it is with credit which is drying up. Add inflation to that mix and couple that with pretty high compensation packages for all involved and you have a recipe for lower attendance. Sure, bad owners are contributor along with teams that can't achieve winning records, but I suggest its more to do with the economy and overpriced tickets...
100% correct. The prices of tickets, food, drinks, souvenirs is just absolutely insane
Yeah, true. The working class was always the main target group of baseball - both in terms of fans and players. Football was always much more expensive as it was always more a sport of the middle class, and also the NFL has much fewer games per season and bigger, more expensive stadiums, so naturally it was always much more expensive while baseball was affordable. Now it is just becoming too expensive for average blue-collar Americans.
I’m from Boston, I went to marlins stadium, sat front row on side of first base dugout (home plate side) for $22! Amazing
What does your home city have to do with the story? Im not from Boston myself
@@trickolas78He's comparing the cost of attending a Red Sox game with a Marlins game.
Similar in KC. I attended a Royals game there last year and it was amazingly cheap for great seats and concessions. Sad that the Royals are going to build a new park.
Where I sat for marlins would probably cost at Fenway $4-600 depending on the game. @@trickolas78
I hate the new netting! Can’t see right. That ruined it for me
WHO can afford a ballgame when I have to buy groceries and gas.
Les propriétaires signent aux joueurs des contrats indécents, celui d'Otahni entre autre c'est un scandale, les fans vont finir par se tanner et ne plus se présenter aux matchs.
Most ballparks that dont sell out are relatively cheap to go to.
Its ballparks that sellout that can charge an arm and a leg. Look at the Toronto Blue Jays. They dont sell well when the team doesnt perform (10 years ago, you got an upper deck seat for $10), but when they make the playoffs, the fans show up. With their renovations, the upper deck is $25. I used to be able to get lower deck outfield seats for $30, now, the same seats are going to cost me $90.
Also, with the renovation, they took out MANY seats, and theyre going to be close to selling out nearly every game.
The only place I can afford to eat out at is Golden Coral and have to get the take out to save money.
I regularly get bleachers or upper deck at Yankee Stadium for under $20 on stubhub. Split the huge chicken and fries bucket and get the $1 water from the guy outside the stadium and we're set.
It's not that expensive. I know life has priorities but it ain't too bad like NFL games
The good news about Oakland is if you’re a transplant or want to see top tier opposing teams particularly for a mid week series, tickets will be SUPER affordable
That's why I had season tickets to Ross backs for the clippers for years and years.
One day, bird comes to town the next day, MJ comes to town etc etc
Yeah, as long as you don't get killed getting in or out of Oakland, it's SUPER affordable. Trips to the ER, not so much. The A's would have to pay me to go to a game in Oakland.
@@markstevens4264 is this Mark Stevens from canyon country
@@markstevens4264 Or paying to get you car windows replaced, if your car is still there when you leave the game. The outer parking lots are only a chain link fence away from some bad areas.
#6 Sign says “Indians” and that’s what they will always be. Go Tribe!
Also doesnt surprise me that their change to the guardians alienated fans and have hurt attendance
@@Nick-dy4gkthere are a loud contingent of Cleveland fans who keep pointing out that the name change didn't affect the situation. Time will tell. I do not believe the attendance numbers. Dodgers and yankees stadium looks like 40k ppl. Cleveland stadium looks like 12-15k ppl and 20k+ are always reported.
As a Miami native, we must also take into account, the Florida Marlins as a franchise, have always been fucked by bad owners. Fire sales after the world series, and false promises by Loria, Henry, and Heizenga, made the Miami fan base jaded, cynical, slow to trust, and yes, apathetic.
attendance has been going back up since 2020 and I believe we will have the best year in the last decade this year. The Marlins have been doing things 6.5/10 whereas before it was more like 2.5/10. The WBC and Caribbean Series have been hugely successful and hopefully will help continue draw in larger crowds. I am optimistic about our future for sure.
I can point out that one of your other teams, the Panthers, also has up and down attendance. How about other teams like the Dolphins, etc? If it's happening across multiple teams, that could be a market saturation issue with more sports teams then your market can handle. I don't think the Panthers have been particularly badly managed, at least not over the past 10-20 years or so, and you've had some pretty good teams the last few years in particular, though attendance has come up the last couple of years in response.
@@Seriously_Unseriousexcuse me!? Know what you’re talking about! The Panthers have not only sold out every home game this year, but we average and over capacity at home! Dolphins have been selling out every home game for years, OVER Capacity as well and the Heat have sold out every home game since 2010! Before typing, please do your research and talk what you know and not what you think! Marlins is the only issue because of the shitty owners in the past! Miami wins, or get stars we sellout every home game, play with us and we just refuse to support shitty on purpose product! Miami sports will never go nowhere. Miami metro is a baseball market and we are baseball fanatics but the product use to be shitty but it’s been good this past season with better seasons to come! Y’all kill me speaking on a market that you either are not from or don’t have an understanding of why things happens a certain way…
Right but bottom line you can’t expect and blame the fans for being reluctant though. Past owners have shown us why we shouldn’t spend our money when they don’t even spend the money they have to invest in the organization in whichever way is best! So until they show us they want to win attendance won’t be the best unless we start to win consistently or actually acquire/sign the necessary players!
@@AntcmbHeat Dude - I looked up the stats. Attendance is good now, but it's been down in the past, and in the mid 10s it was around the 13-14 k range, before that it was up in the 16k + range, before that it was mid to low teens range. The attendance seems to fluctuate with the team's performance, dropping off into the mid to low teens when in a rebuild, and up to sell outs when in a contender or at least competitive phase. Just Google it.
Watch Boston this year. Media talking heads point out that Fenway will always have decent sized crowds because it is a genuine tourist destination, but the Nation is very very angry.
After choosing not to keep Mookie, letting Xander go, paying Sale bazillions to pitch about 5 games in 4 years and letting even moderately good players like J.D. Martinez, Alex Verdugo etc go.....
not to mention pitchers like Porcillo.....
They said they were going to be aggressive this past offseason and bring in talent. They did nothing. Ownership and management were viciously booed during their Spring Caravan type event .
You will very likely see Tuesday afternoon games vs Oakland, KC and Cleveland with about 13 or 14 thousand rattling around Fenway in the future. For decades a crowd of under thirty thousand was unthinkable. Red Sox mgmt. has it's hands around the throat of the golden goose and they seem intent on killing it.
Well said! I’m a Marlins fan so you can only imagine how awful our management had been, always! Even Sox fans will stop showing up… it’s not that fans don’t have loyalty, but why should I spend my hard earned money when you not showing us you want to win?
As a lifelong Yankee fan, it saddens me to see what the Red Sox management has done (and no, I'm not being sarcastic). Long live the great rivalry!
Baseball used to be the national pastime and was at least in the 70s and 80s equal to football
But at some point Major League Baseball decided to just like boxing did go to Cable / satellite pay-per-view only meaning that 25% of the population, those of us that do not have cable satellite do not get to watch the games yet our tax dollars pay for the upkeep of the stadiums
That's why attendance is down in baseball
Baseball is no longer part of the community
Baseball is basically a reality show now!
The federal government needs to remove baseball from its antitrust exemption given that baseball no longer serves the public trust what's the people
There were also the doping scandals and lockouts of the 90s, which severely affected attendance, and generally, baseball just doesn't appeal to the youth anymore as much as it used to. Football, basketball, hockey and soccer offer much more excitement and much more action on the field, plus every single action can decide over the outcome of the game. MLB attendance is by far the oldest on average of all American professional sports and is also the one that has decreased the most over the past 30 years.
Yes, community. Gone.
White Sox will have a bottom 3 attendance because the owner is once again choosing not to spend
As a White Sox fan, I look at the bright side, they did draw more than 6 other teams
Reinsdorf is NOT committed to winning
After watching the first two games, I think the White Sox have an interesting team that's going to surprise some people.
@@Brad4083 They will lose 110 games my man
Given the projects are right there I wouldn’t feel safe attending games there.
It's sad how loanDepot park had a few great baseball crowd moments but they all involve the WBC.
It was the first time some of those upper deck seats ever had an ass on them
Falling attendances at sports events indicate a sharp downturn in the economy, people simply cant afford the prices.
Show what metric reflects a 'sharp downturn in the economy'. I've been to two games. I can afford it. Maybe it's all those Soros checks I get all the time.
The Giants might have sold that many tickets, but there definitely weren't that many fans in the stands last year. Expect less this year with a rotation of Logan Webb and 4 question marks.
Giants just got Snell so there's that.
It wouldn't bother me a bit if they all folded, I haven't watched a game in over 30 years and I'm still alive.
Weird how Florida doesn't seem to care much about baseball. You'd think with it being a summer state in most spots the entire year and with a high Latino population that the state would care more.
And yet here you are.
@@MrManfly It looks like Hockey has taken over in FLA.
@@patbrennan6572If a winter sport is able to draw more attendance in Florida than a summer sport that used to be America's most popular sport for about a century, then that really tells a lot how MLB is struggling to attract attendance, and how others, like football, basketball, hockey and soccer, just do it much better.
Then WTF are you doing here mouthing off?
Guardians??? That says a lot about the attendance problem and to ignore that fact regardless how bad the team is; at least fans had a connections when they were called the Indians, not anymore. The only way you get enough people to watch a Cleveland baseball team now is to watch the movie "Major League".
Who do you play for? The Indians. We have uniforms and everything. It's really great!
I went to a game last year - I usually go to one game a year (June/July/August). Cleveland also has bad weather usually earlier in the season and sometimes later. Games in April/early May is usually bad. Usually September is good weather wise but if the team isn't competitive that usually affects attendance. Occasionally you'll get bad weather in late September. Honestly, I think the Southern teams should be mostly away in summer, and Northern teams mostly homes but they never make the schedule like that.
I am used to the name change of the Cleveland Guardians, but they will always be the "Indians" to me.
@jeffthewhiff And over time, younger folks will forget the former name, just like New Yorkers forgot that the LA Dodgers used to be the Brooklyn Dodgers. The NY fans were VERY upset when that move happened. How many people these days even know that?
Go woke, go broke. Yet teams keep repeating the same mistake over and over.
The Padres were 3rd last year in attendance at over 40K. Let's hope they do better in 2024.
I get into two Nats games from blood drives at the stadium. The seats they give us are always high up, but since nobody goes to games, I would move to right behind the dugout in the 3rd inning.
As far as Cleveland goes, you go woke you go broke-USA USA USA
Attendance problems = bad owners
And fair weather fans. Dodger Stadium packs at least 45k EVERY GAME even during slumps (one of the reasons they have so much money for all those players).
Bingo
@@thefox47545Dodgers fans don’t move like rust belt teams and central division teams
@@thefox47545never mind they only play in the 2nd largest market……..
@@thefox47545 naw the fans only pack the stand because their team try’s to win games because of a good owners
With the exception of Kansas City, all these stadiums seem to have one thing in common: placement in a BLIGHTED area, i.e., HIGH CRIME, and fans with money and nice cars won't go to such an area! And the Royals propose to locate their new downtown KC stadium in such an environment! Who said all rich business folk were SMART?
They’re ALL built to get TAXPAYERS to fund a LOT of the project!!!
Coors Field was initially built in a "blighted" area of Denver. That, with a few other factors, completely turned the "Ballpark" neighborhood around.
Chase Field in Downtown Phoenix is not in a blighted area.
kanas city stadium is in a blighted area. no one wants to build around the stadium...only denny's
Thing is, even in a city like Baltimore, when you go to a Ravens or O's game you're surrounded by tens of thousands of fans. I have not heard of any instance of a fan being bothered .
3:39 “It only seats 💺 around 37 people” 😂
For horseshoes?
This is true I been there before
More than enough.
Attendance is up because they count tickets closed not butts in seats. Pitch Clock is bull crap.
Gainsford’s Law! Named after the legendary trainer & business advisor of boxer Sugar Ray Robinson. Back when big draw boxing matches were held in stadiums and later with closed circuit theaters, different venues or syndicates would bid against each other to get to handle the big event. In a hot & heavy negotiation, some rival argued his group, not Gainsford, should have the promotion because his group of theaters had more seats. Gainsford landed the big fight when he shot right back with what became known as Gainsford’s Law: “It ain’t how many seats you got, it’s how many asses you got in them seats”. George Gainsford, R.I.P.
The only thing that can fix the Rays’ attendance in Tampa is a move to Tampa proper, ideally into the Ybor district. The Rays actually do very well in terms of local TV and radio ratings, but nobody wants to deal with the Hillsborough Bridge to get to St. Pete and attend in person. But I fully believe they can draw 30k per game if they move to Tampa proper.
Is it cause the city of Tampa or the county doesn’t want to give them tax dollars for a new ballpark? As why the Rays ownership went back to St Pete & their county’s leadership for Taxes on a new ballpark & have tentative plan.
They've tried to make that move for years only to fail.
Absolutely. Huge developments recently in downtown Tampa would make a move over the bridge a slam dunk
@@S_Over_Street Yup, it 's exactly that. The difference between the tax dollars the city of Tampa and the city of St Pete are wiling to put up is very significant. The Rays ownership is very cheap and really looking to spend the least amount as possible. Would a stadium in Tampa significantly help attendance? Absolutely, but it seems like the ship has sailed.
Marlins did that and it didn't help
There was a weekend recently where the Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp (the Marlins AAA team) averaged more fans than the Marlins. I see where the MLB isn't working in Florida, but I've been to a couple of minor league stadiums in Florida and they seem draw pretty decent crowds.
Because it’s cheaper and it’s there own fanbase teams
Also, other sports teams like the Panthers and Lightning seem capable of drawing well, especially the Lightning (though they've won a few Stanley Cups within the last 5 years so they've had some great teams to get behind on ice at least), so it could be a location or management issue for the baseball teams. Someone else from the Miami area commented that the Marlins are chronically terribly managed, and that will turn off even the most rabid fan base eventually.
We’ve also had bad ownership but according to your logic we should just show up right?
But even with decent crowds there's no A+ or AA minor league teams in Florida. The Florida State League was relegated to low A status.
The Chicago White Sox have done fine in Bridgeport since 1910. The problem is 100% ownership.
The Giants attendance figures are due to season ticket holder renewals...most of their games had buttloads of empty seats
Could you explain? Why are the season ticket holders not selling their unwanted tickets on Stubhub or seatgeek?
Shh!...don't say 'BUTT' in San Francisco..."Are you going with a flower in your rear...?".😝
Didn't see your comment, but I just posted essentially the exact same thing.
A lot of people dropped season tickets after they hit everyone up for a second PSL after they said they would only have to pay one. They also removed some of the outfield seats which people liked. They still are just outside the top 10 and not bad for a team that is just dreadful to watch.
Back in the mid 70s the Giants had almost nothing crowds at the Stick similar to what the A's attendance is now
PNC is a terrific ballpark -- one of the most beautiful in all of baseball (as is Camden Yards). And Pittsburgh has become a wonderful, livable city. The Pirates have a long, storied history. The only reason they have been bad since 2016 is that their contemptible owner is a cheapskate. Historically, even when they develop outstanding players, they let them go as soon as they become eligible for free agency. Disgraceful ownership.
The owner, Robert Nutting, knows it's nothing more than a business and treats it as such. Smart guy. Why not pocket those millions rather than pay huge salaries.
Florida has proven they dont want the MLB. It's just that simple. Rays will not solve anything with a new stadium. Look at the Marlins with a new stadium.
Well, to be fair the Marlins hasn't been all that good since they played in that stadium. The Rays standpoint, they have a great team, but have 2 problems: One, the stadium, Two, it's in a bad location. If they build a stadium in Tampa, then their attendance will skyrocket.
@@kingmo8789 Maybe, I am a hard maybe on moving them to Tampa will result in increased attendance. I mean less than 20,000 to playoff games this last year was eye opening. You can name any excuse you want to, and some are valid (I read many during when it happened.) But I'd argue, I live in MN, and the Twins packed 40,000 on short notice during an afternoon game last year to open up the playoffs. I drove 3 hours to go to that game. In fact many fans from all over the state drove 1-3 hours to get to that game. To see empty Trop for playoff baseball was a huge alarm to MLB.
The Rays' stadium location is their issue.
I remember decades ago MLB kept trying to keep a team out of Tampa. I suspect the owners knew that the team would have attendance issues for years to come. I do blame the owners more in Miami - having fire sales after you win the WS is a terrible message.
nah it’s the location. the bucs and lightning sellout like crazy if the stadium is in actual tampa more fans would go
D*Backs fan here. You talk about them moving to Scottsdale like a relocation. Scottsdale and Phoenix are the same market. We have multiple cities here in The Valley that would be major metro area anchors in other states. A ‘move’ to Scottsdale would be fine. Love the channel!
As someone from the Phoenix area, what is going on with your sports attendance? Seems like you've also got issues with the Coyotes as well, who are in danger of moving, possibly to Salt Lake City or, who knows, maybe even Quebec City? That would be interesting if the Coyotes did move to Quebec as they came from Canada in the form of Winnipeg and would be ending up back in Canada again. Still, I feel for you in Phoenix having multiple sports teams struggling. Are any of your other big league teams struggling also?
The Diamondbacks don't need to move.
@@Seriously_UnseriousThe Coyotes is a much different scenario lmao. We genuinely never cared for the Coyotes. Our baseball team has fans they just haven't had a winning product they'll be fine. Give them a winning product and they'll come. Just like the sun's. Sell out after sell out. And it's next door to the Chase field. We love our home grown teams.
@@nadaesfacil So would you say if the Coyotes moved and you got an expansion team your fans would support that better then a transplanted Winnipeg Jets team?
@@Seriously_UnseriousIt is the same situation with the Oakland A's, Las Vegas would rather have an expansion team than the A's. Las Vegas natives Bryce Harper and Paul Sewald who now pitches for the D'backs
Born and raised in south Florida, I can say that there is actually quite a demand for baseball in the state. The problem is that no one who lives here roots for the Florida teams. More than half of the people who live in Florida are not from here, and if they are their parents aren’t. Pretty much all of my baseball friends aren’t fans of the rays or the marlins because they choose whatever team their parents are loyal to (partly because of the teams being quite boring and bad). If anyone has ever watched a game when the Yankees or Mets are in Florida, the stands are packed with yankee or Mets fans. It’s honestly kinda sad as a Florida native. The main problem with the rays is the location of the stadium. Being in St. Petersburg makes it almost impossible for Tampa residents to drive to games without having to sit in their car for two hours. I live about 2.5 hours away from both the stadiums and going to a rays game would take me probably close to 4 hours by car. With that being said, Orlando is basically the heart of Florida baseball and I think them moving to Orlando would help a lot, but I don’t think we will ever see consistently high attendance unless one of the teams becomes very good for a long while.
I can also add that, while it's a different sport, you Florida people do support your 2 hockey teams quite well, especially the Lightning, so perhaps it's an issue with bad management for your baseball teams not getting support. The people of Tampa seem to love their Lightning! Miami seems to support their Panthers when they're good and drift away when they're rebuilding. What's support like in Miami for your other sports teams and how well managed are they?
Marlins problem is ownership’s problem! Nothing else but that! Even show up when the owners have constantly showed us otherwise? Put product on the field and Miami shows up! You show us you don’t want to win we will not come! It’s way too much to do in Miami besides sports
Surprised my Reds weren't on this list actually.
Reds had their best attendance since 2015. Took awhile for numbers to recover from Covid. Past four seasons they haven't been that bad - even going to the NLWC in 2020. Aside from a terrible 2022 they've at least been in wild card race for most seasons.
As for the White Sox, where they play isn't the problem. Bridgeport has supported them for 110 years, that's not the only issue.
As for KC, I think downtown stadiums are the way to go, but I will be sad to see kauffman go away.
The neighborhood is ok, but downtown is a much better option.
@@Wizardsleave69nobody lives downtown
I'm in KC, any downtown ballpark is a bad idea. Traffic, parking and crime make it a really stupid idea...and we love the K.
We’ve been spoiled in KC with the location of the ballpark. Easy in easy out not much problem with crime. Now stick us downtown, to deal with parking nightmares and crime. Look at the sprint center( downtown) Just ask a few of the regulars that attend events and find out how many end up with their cars stolen or vandalized or are approached by thugs, no thanks I’ll stay home and spend my money on other entertainment that I don’t have to worry about someone waiting on an easy score. My kids don’t need to be exposed to that nonsense, besides that the team sucks and now you’re making it harder to have a 2 or 3 hour escape from the reality of nonsense.
@@robertholmes8835 Totally agree. The same fans who are staying away now will have even more reason to do so. Makes no sense.
As an orioles fan there’s been no reason to go for quite a few years. However when it was apparent they were good last year they had great attendance. Now with new ownership and great young players I doubt attendance will be low
Yeah...what was Oriole attendance as the season progressed?
@@josephromance3908 Attendance at Oriole park 2023 increased by about 10,000 people from the start of the season to the end.
Not only is Tropicana Field a crappy ballpark it's in a crappy area. I went to one game and the cops had no, I mean zero, clue on how to control the flow of traffic. They relied on our nororiously crappy traffic lights to control the flow and then spent their time yelling at drivers and chasing people out of the left-lane they needed to be in to get to the crappy parking lot because they were in an intersection, an intersection that didn't matter because they did such a crappy job in the first place and relied on crappy traffic lights. If I sound a bit redundant it's because that's how things roll in St. Pete. Florida is also known for narrow streets, especially in the older parts of a city which means they would have to tear down entire business sections to widen the roads to the point they could support large volumes of people.
And then there is the problem of so many transplants like me living here. I'm a Tiger fan. Have been my whole life and will remain one until the day I die. The Bolts actually have the best homegrown fanbase in the Tampa/St. Pete area. Go figure, hockey is king in the heart of Dixie...eh. All we need now is Tim Horton's and Don Cherry. I know there is a plan in place to build another crappy ballpark in the same crappy area but they would be better served if they moved the franchise to Orlando. Or moved it out of the state entirely. Florida is all about spring training and minor league franchises. The market in the state can barely support one team let alone two. I may have given Tropicana a crappy review but crappy is as crappy does. That place sucks.
Well put,sir! As a Red Sox fan I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. Central Avenue can't compare to Lansdowne,Jersey and Brookline Avenue. And Ferg's ain't no Cask And Flagon. Don't know if you are close to Tigertown but as for me going to Fenway South it's a solid four hour drive from Daytona area.
Baseball Problems:
1) It is a boring game to America's yutes.
2) The Dodgers buying everyone makes it pointless and dull.
Yeah my son is in his 20s and neither him nor many of his friends are into baseball, although he loves football and basketball.
I am old, and when I was 10, ninety per cent of the boys played little league and followed base ball. Now they dunt.@@joeshoe6184
@@joeshoe6184What type of football? (I’m more into ice hockey and association football)
What’s a yutes?
Two Yutes!
O's attendance jumped by almost 600,000 in 2023. I expect they'll draw somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.2-2.3 million this season--(which is about what they were averaging in the Adam Jones/Buck Showalter seasons.)
You're dead wrong about the A's attendance being fixed once (if) they relocate. They'll continue to have attendance problems as long as Fisher owns the team no matter where they play.
The new Las Vegas stadium will only seat 33K, which will make it better optics than showing a large stadium with 66K seats mostly empty.
I propose to put a casino down in the bottom. I know its across the intersection from MGM, NY NY etc. but maybe a gambling screen at each seat..../sar
@@iworkout6912 Better optics isn't better attendance.
The obvious solution is to get rid of a lot of teams. Once upon a time, a large number of young men in the US plays the game semi-professionally as well as in schools. The demographics have chased, so the talent pool has dried up. Then there are the mounting costs of attending. The rise of free agency meant that fans felt less and less connection with the players. The homer scandal of the ‘90s and strikes was a body blow. The shriveling of minor league baseball. et al.
There are not as many African Americans in the game and it has damaged the quality of play. Too many hot dogs on the field, posturing, signing, crossing, pointing at the sky. Arrogance and attitude in droves. Sloppy play, poor fundamentals, lack of composure, and unprofessionalism. It's a terrible game now. Fans are not going to pay a premium for the poor product. African Americans with talent have moved elsewhere. Look at the NBA. The game is silly now and the refereeing and favoritism always questionable, but the integrity is intact, and it's more popular then ever.
Clocks and analytics have killed the soul of the great old game. It's strictly Zombie Ville out there now.
Oakland fans are the Rodney Dangerfield of fans. They don' get no respect.!
yeah, they don't get no respect at all!
They don’t deserve no respect. They’re a garbage team and a garbage organization. They ought to be contracted.
@@schartattack Kofa was talking about the fans don't get any respect, they have a passionate fan base in fact some players said they signed there because of the atmosphere. It is ownership that is garbage.
Expos fans in Montreal: Hold our beer, and we want a team.
Back in 80 Oakland set all time low attendance record for one game. Around 680 total people. Unbelievable
It will never happen, but the Marlins and Rays should just be shut down, Brewers and Astros should be back in leagues they we’re originally in and just have two divisions in AL and NL. MLB too watered down w talent and dumb ass structure of divisions and playoffs and not worth going any longer. Extremely ignorant and lazy commissioner along w owners. It’s sad as I used to love the game.
There are quite a few teams that need to be contracted. Oakland, Colorado, Tampa, Miami. I'd also put Seattle and the White Sox on that list too.
Professional baseball lost its mojo for me and my family. First, it got too expensive. Everything is a rip off. We started going to our minor league team and it was a lot of fun. It was way more family friendly. It was just too far away to make it for every game. But monthly of better was a ball for our family when they were younger. The only time I went to a major league game was a friends business had seats, okay not great seats and we went on their nickel. Parking, food, drinks made it such that when that opportunity came up again, I said no.
Now I understand they feel the need to offer huge salary’s to attract players to their team, but my buying parking, a few drinks and some cheesy food at triple or better a normal price just doesn’t work for us. If they want fans, they need to treat their fans like they are valuable and not like some accountants statistic to figure out how to get even more money. It just ain’t popular if it hurts you, and modern baseball main focus seems on how they can hurt their fans even more. Huge new ball parks with super expensive shops looks good on paper to people who get bonus’s in the millions. Not so much for those who earn their money.
same with pro hockey minor league hockey is great and so is college
When the economy tanks, attendance for most sports does, too. That explains so much.
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Hoping the rays get relocated, instead of building a new stadium. And it’s not the stadium’s issues that are keeping people away. They had over 48,000 people there in January for the Royal Rumble
Im a fan who attends a couple of games a year. I know exactly why SF has attendance problems and its-not all about the product on the field.
Not allowed to say it.
Base ball should be rated EB for Extremely BOARING
I would guarantee that if Pete Rose would be inducted into the hall of fame, the attendance percentage would rise. Put him in and I'll start looking into to attending games again
I'm not sure that's holding droves of fans back
Great call. The same guy that banned him ruined the future of baseball. It has been downhill ever since! Baseball loves betting now as it is where they are making all the side money they don't have to pay players. Soon, we will see questionsble outcomes based on the wagers in Vegas.
Now do Seattles ownership on how stingy they are compared to how much money and attendance they receive annually
Yes
Who can afford to take a family to a ballgame?
Here in the Tampa area people dont care about sports like up north.
Plenty of other activities in Florida.
Esp. For the money spent.
Yeah, because there's nothing else to do in New York City.
Part of the problem is Fl has so many transplants that have no history or attachment to the area nor family history with the team like up North and out west.
I live in the TB area, too. I would say that people here care about college sports more than they care about pro sports. That said, I bought a single ticket to 2 Rays games plus parking and it cost me over $200. That's insane. The Rays do very well on TV and radio and and they do sell merch.
A former co-worker of Cuban extraction says that the reason that the Marlins don't draw is that locals there don't want to watch baseball, they want to play baseball. No idea how accurate his opinion is, but it was interesting to hear.
They would rather be at the beach then indoors. That's why the NHL does not work and why the Heat draw so bad even when they are winning.
@@scotttild That doesn't explain why the Panthers, when they're doing well, draw near capacity crowds, and the Lightning sell out every game. There has to be something more to it then just "the people don't want to." Clearly when it comes to hockey, they do want to watch. Either the ball parks are bad, the teams are bad or the management is bad, but something's keeping people away from their MLB ballparks and it's not just "they don't like watching baseball." If that's the case, then why are they willing to forgo the beach to watch ICE hockey? Florida and ICE hardly seem like a good mix, yet their NHL teams draw.
@@scotttildare you slow? The Panthers literally go over capacity every home game and the Heat have been doing the same since 2010! Before speaking speak facts and do your reach! All Miami teams sell out every home game but the Marlins and that’s simply because historically management been super shitty….
@@Seriously_Unserioushe’s idiotic and doesn’t know our market! All our teams draw but the Marlins and it’s just due to horrible management. Marlins have fans inspite of it being a huge transplant area but can’t expect fans to show if your not willing to field a winner
Baseball is more fun to play than to watch
In the late 70s, I had read that White Sox home games had the best "Party Atmosphere" in all of MLB. Several of my college friends said that, since the stadium was in such a Bad neighborhood, one did not dare go in a group of fewer than 10 people. Now it makes sense. Fans just brought their parties to the ballpark LOL
What percentage of a team's revenues come from attendance vs television revenues ?
The Rays need to get out of St Pete. Ive been there for a few games and its just a terrible place to go. They need to go to either downtown Tampa or move to Orlando.
I say move to the Rays to Tampa. Prime example: The Tampa Bay Lightning. Their started in St. Pete and when moved to Downtown Tampa, they drew great crowds and they're very successful.
Hillsborough county doesn’t want to pay for a new ballpark
@@kingmo8789 Are the Lightning located in Downtown Tampa? I know they're selling out most every game, though albeit they've had some great teams lately, even winning a few Stanley Cups within the last 5 or 6 years, with star players like Stamkos and St Louis to excite a crowd.
@@Seriously_Unserious yes they are in downtown. There have been rumblings of getting the Rays to Tampa. Tropicana Field is not hard to get to, but when the 2024 Royal Rumble sets the attendance record, well you know your team is kind of in trouble.
So I Guess NEW BALLPARKS Don't Mean High Attendance.....OWNERS ARE THE PROBLEM!
They been the problem but it’s easy to blame fans as the scapegoat because not the owners not making as much but if you field a team I’m sure all these fans will show
The cost is a factor in Australia too. Food prices, parking, ticket prices. Kids today are the fans of tomorrow and families can't afford to go nowadays .
cleveland INDIANS....this is why I still stay home.
They'll always be the Indians to me, and I'm a Tiger fan. Getting Tom Hanks to try and sell that hideous name change was just more proof it was a sucky idea.
Yes, I believe the name change alienated many fans…terrible mistake…
Long live Wild Thing and yeah, that’s an INDIANS uniform he wore. Guardians? 🙄😡
Amen and Amen!
CHIEF WAHOO FOREVER!
When MLB went Woke, there viewership went down 40 percent, as it should, what they did to Atlanta the all-star game was a joke, changing the
Cleveland Indians name cost them a
50 percent drop in attendance
Oakland is the shit hole of America
Mlb did this to themselves, blackout local games is a joke
",..went woke....?" Like when Jackie Robinson integrated baseball?
If you are put off by a name change, that's sad.
@@gogreen7794 you actually have no clue
@@gogreen7794no. It's not sad it was part of our families' history. Over 100 years. But who cares? Cleveland is dying. The team will move after the Dolan's cash out.
Another genius has to paint his personal obsession onto anything public. Woke up dude lol.
LOL awwww. ALL TV ratings and overall attendance - up the past two years. Enough with your fake grievance politics. The 'anti-woke' agenda didn't produce any winners, so try again.
The Guardians name isn't sexy either.
I think it was totally asinine to change the name of the Indians to the Guardians. And I'm not even a Cleveland fan.
Besides Oakland, the bottom 4 Miami, Tampa, and Phoenix all have tons of non-natives who moved to the area for retirement or work, so loyalty may not be as strong. As a Florida transplant, I can tell you that the area of the stadiums for st Pete and Miami have a lot to do with attendance too. Miami is terrible with the traffic and the surrounding area is suspect.
Help me to understand this issue. The Dodgers have a 63-year-old stadium. It took me 2 1/2 hrs to get to the game last night due to heavy traffic. The game was a sellout, announced 52, 727, Wed night. I don't understand these other. teams issues.
After the A's move to Las Vegas, they'll still be ranked in the bottom two in attendance. Don't get too comfortable there.
They don't care. They still will make money from bets. In Vegas.
I liked your video concerning bad Attendance problems with MLB. You were right on point.
Make the stadium smaller, eliminate the box wedge beyond the bases making a more attractive upper deck, obviously eliminate outfield upper deck. With a 30 or more foot high box, elevated and starting behind the lower deck, the first rows between the bases of the upper deck are already witness level seats, let along the corners of the upper deck.
i haven't watched a full MLB game since the last strike. The umpires contract is up for revue in 2025. Could be another strike. I found other things to do other than baseball.
Would it be possible to renovate Loan Depot Park in to a stadium for the University of Miami?
You have a stadium deal with it.
The Trop is just a terrible stadium, I live in Florida and took a 3 hour trip to catch a game at the Trop. Jesus that place feels like you can’t breathe because the lack of natural air flow. I will never go back to that stadium
As someone who grew up watching games in the concrete mausoleum that was the Kingdome, seeing a game in the Trop was a welcome breath of (literally) fresh air in terms of domed stadium baseball.
The biggest factor is lack of a salary cap in MLB. Pittsburgh and Kansas City draw good crowds when they have good teams. Contrast the Royals with the Chiefs. They Chiefs have a lot of support because they are able to field competitive teams due to the NFL salary cap. The big market teams have no advantage in other sports. Only baseball.
Certainly part of it . The problem with the cap in football though is the volume of movement which undermines the fans attachment to the team . Not sure how to fix that but would definitely rather see a more even playing field.
@@nathanwilliams5290 Short NFL careers are largely due to the nature of the sport.
As a baseball fan it hurts to see history rich franchises such as the Bucs, As and Royals disrespected this way. Btw - go Mariners!
Official attendance #s are always greatly exaggerated
So true!!
You don’t think the A’s really drew 14K for opening day? You could count how many people were in the stands. I doubt they even sold those 14K tickets.
Cleveland baseball team offers a monthly pass. You pay once and are able to get in every game that month for SRO and get to the ballpark bars. Are they counting the sold ticket once for attendance or every time scanned in. If the latter and the person goes to 15 games a month, the team is making $5-6 a game. The gate receipts would be the real measure. Cleveland would look a lot worse.
@@neanderthalsnavel7411 The monthly pass sounds interesting .$49. Do they limit where you can go inside the park? Can you grab a seat at some point?
Pro sports changed attendance from the actual turnstile count to tickers sold years ago. Tickets sold greatly inflates their numbers versus turnstile.
Going to an A’s game in Oakland feels as safe as watching a Marines vs. Army softball game in Fallujah.
Have you seen A's games in Oakland? I have seen over 1000 games in 53 years and have had no issues and have never felt unsafe.
I was referring to what you experience on your way there and leaving. So why do SO many more people attend Giants games than A’s games?
The Diamondbacks play in a ballpark designed more for revenue than for seeing the game in person. I bought a season ticket first year a few rows up from first base, but to squeeze in more seats they made them face the outfield. Keeping my neck cranked full left with all the shoulder room removed from the row of seats didn't warrant a re-buy. Haven't bothered with a game there since the Yankee World Series.
Pittsburgh has a floor for a D level team is about 1,200,000. When there is something to be excited they do draw. Max possible is just over 2,000,000 and they have hit it. The overall total drag is dead games. Early cold games. Mid week games with a fair team. When all hope is lost with shit on the field. So even with 60 games over 20,000 and 30 game in the 30,000 range the dead games hold the total down. Give Pittsburgh ANYTHING to excite they come. A loved player returns. A loved play traded and comes back on a new team. A stud first games up from the farm. Or WIN.
You guys, and MLB doesn't get it. Until MLB does something, whether a salary cap or something to allow smaller market teams to be CONSISTENTLY competitive nothing is going to change. Everyone knows that the Yankees, the Red Sox or the Dodgers are going to win the series before spring training starts. Until they address that, which they won't, nothing is going to change.
MLB desperately needs a salary cap. Yankees, dodgers just buy their teams. It’s pathetic. They don’t care about the luxury tax cause they are such huge markets.
Your comment about the D-Backs attendance due to almost not making the playoffs is spot on and proof of the ridiculousness of the MLB playoff system. Marginal teams can get hot at the right time and ruin the season of more deserving, better teams. It has become similar to the NHL, who hands out points like candy at Halloween.
And yet they hit 1.9 million in a mid-market city. While I'm not a fan of the expanded [and expanded AND expanded] playoff system foe Baseball, they did make it in with a hot September and rode that all the way to the WS. Don't blame them for playing well in the fall. And when it IS the playoff ... there is not an empty seat to be seen in Chase ... or the BOB as it was called when I lived there.
Major League Baseball attendance is altogether struggling in Florida.
What is crazy is that the A's actually used to be a top five team for attendance year after year from 1988 to 1993. Then the Haas Family sold the team, and they built Mount Davis. Before that, the Coliseum was a nice place to watch a game.
A lot of attendance issues are expense related. MLB has lost the market of people who can barely afford their product. It’s just too expensive for average fans to go to the games.
Thats what happens when Baseball goes Woke...eff them!!
Yeah, "woke" like when Jackie Robinson integrated baseball in 1947. Hello. It's well into the 21st Century, but maybe you'd be happier in the 19th.
@@gogreen7794 At least the sport wasn't dying back then...
@theamaranthineman574 Are you implying that because the game was first integrated in 1947, it's now dying? Or are you so sensitive that name changes upset you? Over the decades, teams have changed names, cities, stadiums, uniform colors and designs, and players, coaches, owners, come and go. So what?
I will say the orioles attendance was ramping up as the season was going along. I think this upcoming season if they don’t disappoint will be more indicative
I would love to take my kids to an MLB game but I stick to minor league games that I can afford and my kids have more fun too.
Cleveland is a prime example of, Go Woke Go Broke!
My issue with Chase Field is that retractable roof. I do not like watching baseball indoors, I only want to go when the roof is open but there's no way to know, they never announce when it's open so I just have to guess and every time it was closed so I stopped going. I believe last I heard, the roof was broken so it was permanently closed so I haven't gone in a while.
Nobody is going to go to a game with the roof open when it is 115 outside. Dbacks will always need a retractable roof.
💯 There was no rhyme and reason to when they opened it. Closed it is a depressing warehouse with weird neon green grass
I watch our AA team 50 miles inland of LA. It’s got boutique beer (the Dodgers only have crap corporate beer) and decent food. A nice little stadium and fireworks on Friday and Saturday.
The ironic thing is the Tampa Bay Lightning have no problems drawing for the NHL. Drawing for hockey in Florida over baseball is insane, but it probably helps that the Lightning last season were coming off a bit of a dynasty with multiple Stanley Cups and Cup appearances recently, which may be drawing attendance away from the Rays if the Rays are struggling a bit lately. The Lightning have been drawing steadily 19092, which I assume is their maximum capacity.
The Florida Panthers have been up and down in their attendance historically, but they're up lately. Ironic how the Sunshine State is drawing better for ICE hockey then for summer sports. Maybe it's the novelty of a sport played on ice along the shores of the Caribbean and Gulf coast or their hockey franchises have just put together consistently better teams or something?
Why is it that hockey fans never complained about The Trop, but baseball fans always do?
What no one wants to admit about Cleveland is that the name change chased off a lot of die hard Indians fans! I am an Indians fan from the time I was 4 years old back in the early 1970’s. I will NEVER be a Guardians fan!
Same!!!! Lots of good times at Indians games. They are dead to me now. And the media REFUSES to talk about us! The best part is my children are Browns fans now only. Not Cleveland baseball fans. The Dolan's & MLB lost our family's old fans who died during COVID, the current stewards, AND GENZ. Millennials are taking their kids tho. Move the team out of here so we can stop being bludgeoned by the constant propaganda.
I can believe that changing the Cleveland ball club name to "Guardians" did discourage a lot of Indians' fans from continuing to support the team. I still can't figure out why the name "Indians" is so offensive.
I feel bad for yall. I'm not a fan of Cleveland baseball, but after what they did to suck up to the whiners, I won't watch games of my own team if they're playing Cleveland. I won't call them whatever they're called either.
Guardians is such a cheesy name for a baseball team. My condolences to Indians fans.
Spiders would have been cool, bring back the old timey name
How to kill America’s pastime:
1. Overpay players
2. Necessarily overcharge fans
3. Juice the baseball
4. Obliterate historical achievements
5. Tear down historical ballparks
6. Fake history with new stadia
7. Change 125 yr old rules
8. Obliterate more historical achievements.
9. Encourage thuggish lack of sportsmanship
10. Sit back and watch the cash roll out.
Ted Williams never got more than $125,000. Even allowing for inflation, we see players who would never have reached the majors in the ‘50s getting paid far more. Plus I find today.s baseball a much less interesting game.
Miami is a failure because ownership is profiteering from stadium subsidies and revenue sharing. Miami is booming, lots of growth and an emerging new tech and investment hub, and the stadium though not top 5, is definitely modern and above average. Miami is a baseball hotbed, look at the University of Miami and the pool of players that hail from South Florida, but what should be a crown jewel at the doorstep of baseball crazy Latin America is a moribund welfare recipient of a franchise with no ambition beyond turning a profit via cost cutting and a lack of investment in player development.
We went to game 2 on Opening Weekend, on a Friday, and I was shocked at the low attendance.
Does it makes any difference on your attendance players don’t care because their pay is not based on it
I have an idea! Keep the A’s in Oakland and move the Rays to Vegas! No love loss.