My Brutally Honest Thoughts on “Christspiracy”
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Minor correction: it’s not “temple of den” it’s “den of thieves.” I filmed this on very little sleep lol.
Also want to clarify that I’m aware this documentary isn’t trying to persuade Atheists into becoming Christian, I just thought it would be interesting to touch on that.
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If you seek evidence about Jesus being vegan, check out the book "why every christian should be a vegan".
There are also online sources, but that book has everything you need.
den of MURDERERS. thieves is a misnomer
He was kicking out the money changers selling stuff in the temple not because they were selling animal cruelty.
Being on sheep is not vegan, Natalie! 🙄
The major problem with this documentary is that it's not available to lots of people. They really need to release this through some steaming platform to reach more people. This wasn't available in theaters where I live.
It'll be on a streaming service soon. They got rejected by Netflix because they refused to censor some important scenes. But there's plenty of competition, so someone will pick it up.
@@indef2def Your info is not correct. They bought their movie back from Netflix to keep their integrity because Netflix did not share their view point. I hope the movie gets released soon online
@indef2def I think they should do a censored version where they censor the animal violence (without retracting from the documentary's intent). It would reach even more people then...
Any one label on this film just doesn’t work. Also as a vegan Christian I found it to be wholly enlightening and encouraging.
Some Christian religions like Seventh Day Adventism teach their followers to not eat meat. Many of them are also vegan. The ones (males at least) who follow that teaching live about 8 years longer than those who do eat meat according to the peer reviewed Adventist Studies. The only dietary group among them with an average BMI in the recommended range was the vegan group. SDA's who don't eat meat have the longest lifespan of any population known to science, even among the Americans, who have a lifespan that is shorter than other developed countries and getting even shorter in recent years.
They dont and that is a lie. A simple google search will prove you wrong. Only 8% of Adventists are vegan. Lol. Typical lying vegan. Also the Adventists who eat meat live the longest out of the vegetarians, and much longer than vegans. Liar.
Also the Adventists dont even have the highest lifespan. Vegans would say anything to push their silly religion and unhealthy diet.
1. Statistically speaking, the people who live the longest are in the most defined blue zones( Sardinia, Italy for men and Okinawa ,Japan for women) aren't religious or affiliated with a specific religious group. 2. This data would be extrapolated to apply across the entire vegan population. 3. Once again, the teachings within that disgusting book are definitely not indicative of veganism and therefore teaching them to not eat meat is ironic.
@@jackkrell4238 The Okinawans used to be the longest living Blue Zone population, but they have started to eat more like the average person in the developed world and their health and longevity has suffered because of it. Can you cite your sources for what you said?
@@jackkrell4238 Don't misunderstand my point. I am not advocating for joining the Adventist church. I am a proud agnostic atheist.
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Natalie, you say that you don't believe John the Baptist was vegan (as expressed in the film). It is very likely John ate "Locust Beans" (ie Carob), not locusts. Another way the translations may have been altered over the centuries is that the Greek word for tree fruits (akrodrua) is very close tot he word for locusts (akrides). The New Testament was written in Greek.
Yes, it's pretty obvious he didn't eat actual locusts. There aren't normally any locusts in the desert.
Agree. I read about this regarding John the Baptist over 20 years ago not long after I became vegan.
I loved this documentary so much that it made me want to embrace Christianity again!!! I've known for many years that the Cleansing of the Temple was totally about animal sacrifice, not about money and that the Bible was corrupted by many infiltrators. I consider myself an Essene, the vegan sect who were the gnostic forerunners of early Christians and of which Jesus belonged to. But if all Christians become vegan after seeing this, I'll happily join them in their church!!!!
I'm just asking out of curiosity, do you think Jesus was vegan? Because there was that part where he fed 5,000 people with fish.
@@stefanib1040in the documentary it became clear that it was not about literal fish
@@KirurUwU ah okay, I guess I will have to watch it
Does it show the torturing of animals? I don't have the bandwidth for that.
Go vegan forever 💚
Natalie ... I thought the point if the documentary was to convert religious people to be vegan, not to convert people to be Christian. I haven't seen it yet.
In any case, thanks as always for your honest reviews!
I agree with you. Religious and spiritual folk are the target audience, not atheists.
Ya it didn’t make me want to be Christian or any religion cuz they are all hypocrites. Just be vegan and that’s enough imo.
I don't think they're trying to convince people to be Christian. I think they're trying to give a different side and inform vegan activists like us, the viewpoint of religious people. So that we can make better arguments
when we discuss veganism with religious people. I also feel like they're trying to point out the hypocrisy of spiritual people who eat animals.
I really lost it when they interviewed the activist who rescues dogs from the meat festival. Several other scenes I had to close my eyes.I couldn't watch.
I'm Jewish and know quite a bit about Christianity. Not eveything, but enough. I am a little confused on their translation. They translated a Hebrew word, but the NT was written in Greek. They used the scriptures that the Ebionites have. Which would be in Hebrew. The Ebionites are not traditional Christians. They don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, and they don't believe that he was born to a virgin. So the greek word is liston, which can mean robbers or thieves or bandits. The hebrew word is parits. So Hebrew words have many, many meanings. You just have to understand the context it is written to know what the word means. Parits can mean robber, and it can mean murderer. Basically, I'm not really sure where they are going with this mistranslation idea or conspiracy.
The Jewish ritual sacrifice at the temple has always bothered me. And this movie helped me understand a little bit more about it. But animal sacrifice at the temple is not what Christians think it is. That's neither here or there. Animal sacrifice is wrong, no matter what the reason is. Anyway, I have a better understanding of the animal sacrifices at the Jewish temple. Basically, in ancient times, people of a variety of religious beliefs sacrifice animals. Some of them sacrificed humans. But then they would eat the animals afterwards. Because there wasn't refrigeration. That was pretty much the only time people ate animals. In Judaism, the shedding of blood is not necessary for the atonement of sin, only to atone for unintentional sins. Whereas Christians believe the shedding of blood is required for all atonement of all sin, so they believe Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. This movie put together for me the reason why there were so many animal sacrifices at the temple was, I think Jews just wanted to eat meat and used the animal sacrifice as an excuse and paid money to the temple. They basically turned the temple into a slaughterhouse. So this movie helped put that together for me.
In the movie, it suggests that the reason why Jesus went to the temple and overturned the tables and released the animals was because Jews turned the temple into a slaughterhouse. A house of murderers instead of a house of prayer, and they did it for money and to eat animals.
Anyway, I do agree that overall, it is a good movie. It does tug at your emotions, and it is thought-provoking.
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I've been studying the Old Testament for four years now, and I am really shocked to find out that everything I was told as a child about the Bible and Christianity is not true. I was taught that the Old Testament was about the 10 Commandments, and no human being alive was able to keep them, so Jesus was sent to fulfill them. Then I read Exodus, Deuteronomy, and Leviticus and saw a whole different story. It's odd that people require blood sacrifices , but the God of the Old Testament sees women's period blood as unclean. Animal blood? Clean. Women's? Unclean. And to believe that the Son of God must be born of a Virgin says a lot. Obviously some people have an aversion to sex. Sex is what has brought us all here. Every single one of us are here because our parents had sex why do we have to vilify sex and make it dirty? That Bible is so odd. After reading the laws of Deuteronomy and Leviticus, people would have to know that the laws are ignorant. When I look at creation, it is beautiful, orderly, and intelligent. That Bible is full of ugliness, filth, and ignorance.
@@amyrenee1361 read the gospel of the holy 12 1st century bible vegan ..... not flesh eating yeashua is not for that he came to end flesh eating and animal sacrifice confirmed in the clementine homilies also read adam and eve apocrypha also vegan god wants mercy not sacrifice Constantine added paganism into the bible 4th century council nicea to gain the roman empire.
@@amyrenee1361The Old Testament is God’s promise to destroy death which was brought by our free will. It wasn’t God’s design but he did promise a savior. The New Testament is the story of how God destroys death. The Old Testament does have moral laws, civil laws, and cultural laws. Jesus did fulfill the old laws and established new laws. The Bible isn’t ignorant, we are.
For Buddhist clergy, specifically those who live by alms (donation) they are not allowed to turn down food unless they know it was specifically killed for them. This is because in poor countries, the lay people are giving monks food from their own table and it would be a hardship to ask them to provide separate meals.
But sadly Buddhists who don't survive by alms, often just don't care. They rationalize that it's okay because they aren't the ones doing the killing. Which being a Buddhist myself, I find very hypocritical.
The Bible Belt is quite fond of barbecue. In fact, in the US, it's more common for liberals to be vegetarian/vegan while you average MAGA Christian takes offense at being told of the virtues of not eating animals.
“Once you teach someone evil it is no longer viewed as such. It is considered routine. Normal. The status quo.” It’s a quote from my movie I am working on. I haven’t scene Christspiracy but look forward to watching it. And when you mentioned the kid. I think this movie I’m working you will throughly enjoy. And Instagram blocked my comment.
In your movie, do you mention who defines good and evil?
@@Pedro2NR actually no one defines either. People just do as they please. They technically like now don’t have any moral code. I keep it grounded in reality. Most people will steal, kill and etc. Given a chance. People only care when being chastised. So most people are ok with injustice long as the injustice is not done to them. As we have already seen through American history and other countries history. If people truly had moral codes…why would we go to war?
@@Pedro2NRsome people will walk but another person getting beat and not help. They always say “I don’t want to get involved. A women was beating a man in public and no body helped him and everyone was laughing. This is our society and reality. Where it’s funny to watch someone else get beat.
Natalie, that was a great review. I too am from the USA, and it is indeed difficult to de-program the human mind from its current misinformed way of thinking. As a vegan minister and theologian, for fourteen years, I have always taught that there is absolutely no spiritual way to kill or eat an animal, for to be spiritual you must do things that remain apart from physical flesh, this includes the way you think and act.
Galatians 5:17, “The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are in conflict and opposed to each other, to keep human beings from doing the things that they should not do.”
Killing is a flesh action that comes from the human world.
1 John 2:16, “All that is in the world, the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and the pride of life, is not from the spirit of God, but from the world of Men.”
Even in 1 John 2:15, we are told, “Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the God is not inside him.”
Meat is from the world, Humans love meat, you must kill to obtain meat. meat is manmade. Meat is not God made, so meat is from men it is not from the spirit, killing is also from the word for it is a physical action meat and killing is separate from the spirit and from spirituality.
Romans 8:7, “All that is done by the human flesh is in opposition to the spirit and to God.”
John 6:63 “The spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing.”
1 John 4:14, “God has sent his Son Jesus Christ to be the Savior of the entire world.”
God did not send Jesus to kill.
John 4:24 “God is spirit.”
Galatians 5:22-26 “The fruit of the Spirit is peace.”
Romans 8:6 “The mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace.”
Killing is not peaceful, so, killing is not Spiritual.
God is spirit and God said do Not kill, so again killing is not spiritual.
Jesus Christ followed the spirit of God, from the beginning, so even Jesus does not Kill. Jesus tells us in 1 Corinthians 2:4; "My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the spirit’s power.”
John 6:63, Jesus said, “The words that I speak to you are from the spirit.”
John 5:19, Jesus said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I can do nothing by myself, for what I see the spirit of God do; I do, for whatever God does, I also do the same, in a like manner.”
John 7:16, Jesus said, “My doctrine is not my own, but God’s who sent Me.”
John 5:30, Jesus said, “I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.”
John 4:32, Jesus said, “My food is to do the will of God who sent me, and to finish God’s work on Earth.”
God’s work on earth was that human beings eat a plant-based diet. Genesis 1:29, and many other scriptures confirm this. Those who cling and cleave to meat separate themselves from God, for they do not comprehend Spiritual knowledge and information.
Proverbs 3:5-6, “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own human understanding that cannot comprehend spiritual discernment.”
But she didn't find it convincing that Jesus cared about animals or was a vegan, so she seemed biased against the whole idea - and that was the whole point! Carnism Debunked and David Ramms gave glowing reviews of it though.
@@harveyplantharvester1502 I question the motives of anyone who doesn't praise this movie to the Heavens. It has the potential to change the minds of so many Christians yet I see vegans bashing it because it's about "religion"
"difficult to de-program the human mind from its current misinformed way of thinking" ironic coming from a theologian.
I like those scriptures and you bring up good points.
I like it in Mark 4:4, Jesus is quoting Deuteronomy: “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’”
We aren’t saved by what we eat, but by repentance and accepting Jesus’ sacrifice of our sins.
Nice review! 👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
It’s not about Jesus , AMERICANS 🤮
The scene where the slaughterhouse worker in Israel described how he felt when he first saw an animal cry was difficult to watch. Most of these workers have PTSD.
For all Christians who still eat animals, please read the book called "Why Every Christian Should be Vegan"
God gave us animals for nutrients and to feed people. Jesus feed the people fish and bread.
@@positiveblessingskarrie3194 if that was true, then he would have to be a very evil, sadistic god to create beautiful animals who have all the same feelings we have, who feel pain, sadness, who love their families, who value their lives and don't want to die. I don't want to worship an evil god. Jesus would never hurt an animal and that's who I follow. I don't know which God you follow?
@@Empathy4Animals411 Very well said. 👍👍👍👍
@positiveblessingskarrie3194 Why did G-d give animals the ability to feel pain, suffer, and have emotions? That's a horribly cruel G-d.
@@veganc5028 Yawheh is already a vindictive, impotent, and unethical deity within christianity, so should you really be surprised?
Good review. Just one thing: you dont have to be spiritual to be vegan, but could one claim to be spiritual without being vegan? Its like being an environmentalist. You can be vegan without being an environmentalist but you really cant claim to be an environmentalist without being vegan as animal ag and fishing industry are major major destroyers of the environment
Thanks Natalie. If you and your subs are interested in more about how worldviews (religious or not) link to non-human animal ethics they might find @Sentientism an interesting philosophy: "evidence, reason and compassion for all sentient beings". I've been lucky to interview Marc Bekoff and Melanie Joy who both featured in Christspiracy - as well as some of the producers.
Religion can discredit veganism; the vegan movement can't discredit religion. No, think about it. Really think about it. Vegans have been trying to co-opt Buddhism: take a look at the outcomes. How much worse do you think the results will be with other religions?
Great review, i'll watch it when it's available here in Spain.
gospel of the holy 12 please look into this vegan
Nazareth was a village. Being a "Nazarite" was different than being a Nazarene. A Nazarene was a person from Nazareth. A Nazarite was someone who took a Nazarite vow which restricted them from certain activities.
Wow! I feel like my most spiritual growth came from becoming vegan, also, since flesh is dead, it has a low vibration, and since spirituality is directly linked to vibration, I believe that being a vegan or vegetarian definitely makes the claim for being or feeling more spiritual.
I am very doubtful of the explanation of how the 2 main guys met and got started.
Thank you for a great and honest review of the documentary! I haven’t watched it yet, but would consider it if it becomes available on one of the major streaming platforms for free. With that being said, I’m not a christian myself, but I think it’s important tha we highlight veganism and compassion for animals in a variety of different fields, considering that people use all kinds of excuses to continue on ignoring the problems we face today with animal rights.
Would love to see a review of ”What the Health” from you!!
I find all of Kip Anderson’s documentaries very meh, but this movie made my atheist Omni partner decide to begin the transition to a plant-based lifestyle so I can’t knock it too much!
because they had to make it shorter, there are actually details to support the claims
The documentary is not showing where I live but many of this claims sound really dubious specially since biblical koine greek is probably among the easiest ancient languages to learn. It would seem to me that perhaps Kip thought so too because the christpiracy website doesn't have a list of facts and sources (like practically all his previous documentaries)
If you seek evidence about Jesus being vegan, check out the book "why every christian should be a vegan".
There are also online sources, but that book has everything you need.
I'm interested in watching it, but you said it has depictions of animal violence, so I don't think I can (unless they release a censored version) :/
For a Christian country the U.S eats a lot of pork and shellfish and crustaceans.
If you seek evidence about Jesus being vegan, check out the book "why every christian should be a vegan".
There are also online sources, but that book has everything you need.
It's in a book, it's not evidence.
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Ok, so history is all lies before the invention of cameras.
That's your iq unfortunately. I'm sorry for you.
@@Empathy4Animals411 I don't believe you. Where is your proof?
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So, by your logic, everything before the invention of cameras are lies or not worth believing.
Yeah, sure. Good luck with that.
@@FreddieAl Where is YOUR proof that the Bible wasn't tampered with and corrupted????
Awesome review, haven’t seen it yet myself.. had tickets but an emergency came up and I missed out
Im actually quite frustrated at this,
i might have to make a video on the topic, academics like James Tabor have been saying all this for quite some time now ...
that Jesus (and his followers including his brother James the just)was a vegetarian group against the animal sacrifices in the temple
yet it is seen as a controversial opinion?
American evangelicals are infuriating
in a world where torturing animals to death is the norm and seen as normal yet showing them compassion is seen as crazy...
I am genuinely confused how people think that Jesus was a vegetarian, unless people think that the feeding of the 5,000 with the fish and loaves isn't true. Or when he forced demons to possess pigs and the pigs immediately drowned themselves.
Edit to add: I'm an atheist anyway and suspect that Jesus wasn't a real person, but I just don't understand the logic of people who think he was vegetarian.
You just mentioned about John the Baptist & the locust that was also clarified in the movie as that was a bean and not a bug… If he was a vegetarian, he would not of ate locust bug either……Secondly, wouldn’t it have been hard to walk around and catch locust to eat? Wouldn’t it be easier to pick a bean out of the ground? … As well as honey the actual word for that means date syrup wouldn’t that be easier to pick a date off a tree? … There was no bee suits or smoke to steal their honey back in the day
I am a Christian Vegan and I totally recommend for you to read a few books that might help you “Vegans vs the Verses by Steven Lee August and Matthew A Kings. “I will abolish the bow” and “pride comes before the fall”
Thank you for this helpful review Natalie. I haven't been able to see the film yet. In fact will have to wait until it comes online, hopefully it will someday.
John the Baptist likely ate locust beans not actual locusts. There generally aren't any locusts in the desert.
I began praying about what was right to eat in the late 90's as a believer in Christ who is the bridge knowing something was wrong with the food. I had at that time some years before stopped eating red meat after mad cow happened in the UK the end of the 90's. Then as I grew closer in spirit to my Lord any animal flesh started tasting yucky, more chemical like so I ate it less and less sometimes only a few times a week. This was before mainstream media came out strong with the environmental hazards of industrial animal agriculture and vegan became a word as I had not heard of the word at that time though I had met one vegetarian and I knew it meant no animal flesh but dairy okay.
In 2002 my prayer was answered and I was given visions more real than this world and was told "the life of the flesh is in the blood and the blood has a voice and cries from the ground and God hears it" . This is in a form in the Old Testament but refers to Cain and Able and not other species of animals. This is when I knew and saw clearly blinders off Genesis 1:29 and I knew that God hears the blood of the other species, not just human...besides "do not kill" as a commandment is all inclusive though many believers (as I was) were not taught that way. I even grew up with my father after the flesh a hunter though I could never eat anything he brought home as I saw him skin it and smelled it (awful) and I felt so sad for the deer especially so very sad and I know now because they are a symbol of the peace of the forest . Thankfully I was not forced to eat it nor did my parents try to talk me into doing so.
Anyways this is how I know though I have not seen the documentary there has been a cover up and though some believers are vegetarian, even vegan I had never come across any still have not to this day except in youtube videos. I try to share with others who are believers and the message is rejected. I say but in the hereafter for the fruits of the tree of Life will be for food and healing plus the lion and the wolf shall lay down together and non will hurt another on the holy mountain....they just look at me blankly for the most part. Anyways that is the short of my testimony.
It's true there has been a cover up and I knew this upon my answered prayer and realized my part in paying to have animals slaughtered and I asked in prayer for their forgiveness and repented and changed my diet. That is why I became vegan and I only found out the word "vegan" in 2002 after the answered prayer I went to a health store and saw the word on a label and asked someone what it meant and that is where I heard the word vegan. True story.
It is written "what has been hidden will be revealed" so it's a revealing happening for others now the ones that have ears to hear that is. I don't believe in organized religion anymore of any belief system as that is man made in this world imo.
I went to see the movie and I really enjoyed it. One very important point that needs to be made. If you don't like what I am addressing here, then that is your free will right to do so. We are all created beings. Our Creator placed laws in effect for us to follow. They were set in place for our own good and the good of all created beings we share our home with. False religions and beliefs of the world who say we are not under any preset laws put in place by the Eternal All, are sadly mistaken. That is fine if you don't agree with me on this issue, that is your right to do so. Those who have come to understand that all life is sacred are in the process of making the ring of return. This understanding alone is not the complete reversal towards our fallen state, but it is a big part of it. Once one comes to understand that all life is part of the Creator, then one has little problem accepting we are all brothers and sisters of the great household of the Eternal All. This place we call home is just a small part of all that the Eternal All has created. Sense we were created in the beginning without sin and over time the sin of blood guilt "partaking of the tree of good and evil" was committed because of complacency in never being in want of anything, we have been in a fallen state and Our Creator has put in place a way to make the ring of return to our once perfect state of existence while in the physical form. The only way to make the ring of return is to prove ourselves worthy while in our physical form. We have all lived many lives before. The belief we only live one life to get things right is far from the truth. So many things have been obscured throughout time. In Yeshua' time He came to restore what had been lost or in better terms, corrupted by the lying pen of the scribes. In this end time generation, the two witnesses of Zacariah 3&4 and Revelation Chapter 11 will be sent to do as Yeshua did in His time. They too will be murdered as He was for exposing falsehood and restoring the Everlasting Humane Law of Love, for those who are willing to embrace it from the heart. It is a perpetual law that is in place until the Eternal All deems otherwise. For those of you who say killing animals for sport or food is not a sin, I have added the Laws which Yeshua gave while walking the earth some 2000 years ago. These laws are taken from an ancient manuscript known as The Essene Humane Gospel of Christ. The same laws are given in The Gospel of the Holy Twelve.
Yeshua Again Gives The Holy Humane Law
After six days, when the Feast of Tabernacles was nigh at hand, Yeshua did take the Holy Twelve and did bring them up into a high mountain away from the people, and as he was praying, the fashion of his countenance was changed, and he was transfigured before them, and his face did shine as the sun, and his robe was white as the light.
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him and speaking of the Holy Law, and of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
And Moses spake, saying, "This is HE of whom I foretold, saying, A prophet from the midst of thy brethren, like unto me shall the Eternal Spirit send unto you, and that which the Eternal Spirit speaketh unto him, shall he speak unto you, and unto him shall ye hearken, and whoso will not obey shall bring upon themselves their own self-willed destruction."
Then Peter said unto Yeshua, "Dear Lord, it is good for us to be here; if thou wilt let us make there three tabernacles - one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
But while he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and twelve rays as of the sun issued from the cloud, and a voice came out of the cloud, which said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him and keep his law."
And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly astonished. And Yeshua came and touched them and said, "Arise and be not afraid." And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Yeshua only. And the six glories of the eternal spirit, the first of the holy Archangels, were seen upon him.
And Yeshua said unto them, "Behold, anew I give unto you, The Law, which is not new but from old. Even as Moses gave the law to Israel after the flesh, so also I give unto you the law for the Kingdom of Israel after the Spirit.
"For who are the Israel of God? Even they of every nation and tribe who work righteousness, love, mercy and keep my commandments, these are the true Israel of God."
And standing upon his feet, Yeshua spake, saying:
"Hear O Israel, the Eternal All, Thy God is One; Many are My overseers, and My prophets. In Me all live and move, and have subsistence.
"Ye shall love thy God with all your understanding of the Holy Law.
"Ye shall love thy neighbor as yourself, even as the law instructs.
"Ye shall not take away the life of any creature for your pleasure, nor for your profit, nor yet torment it.
"Ye shall not steal the goods of any, nor gather lands and riches to yourselves, beyond your need or use.
''Ye shall not eat the flesh, nor drink the blood of any slaughtered creature, nor yet anything which bringeth disorder to your health or senses.
"Ye shall not make impure marriages, where love and health are not, nor yet corrupt yourselves, or any creature made pure by the Holy One.
"Ye shall not bear false witness against any, nor willfully deceive any by a lie to hurt them.
"Ye shall not do unto others, as ye would not that others should do unto you.
"Ye shall worship One Eternal, the Father-Mother in Heaven, of Whom are all things, and reverence the Holy Name, keeping sacred Their daily holy communions.
"Ye shall revere your fathers and your mothers on earth, whose care is for you, and all the teachers of righteousness.
"Ye shall cherish and protect the weak, and those who are oppressed, and all creatures that suffer wrong.
"Ye shall work with your hands the things that are good and seemly; so shalt ye eat the fruits of the earth, and live long in the land.
"Ye shall purify yourselves daily and rest every Seventh Day from labor, keeping Holy the Sabbaths and the Festivals of your God and Creator.
"Ye shall do unto others, as ye would that others should unto you."
And when his disciples heard these holy words, they smote upon their breasts, saying: "Wherein we have offended, O God please forgive us; and may thy wisdom, love and truth within us, so incline our hearts to love, keep and cherish this Holy Law."
And Yeshua said unto them, "My yoke is equal and my burden light, if ye will to bear it; to you it will be easy. Lay no other burden on those that enter into the kingdom, but only these necessary things.
"This is the Law renewed unto the Israel of God, and the complete Law is within, for it is the law of love, and it is not new but old. Take heed that ye add nothing to this law, neither take anything from it. For verily I say unto you, they who believe and obey this law shall be saved, and they who know and obey it not, shall be lost.
"But as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive. And the disobedient shall be given many tests, for they who persist in wickedness shall descend and shall perish eternally; but they who obey my Law will inherit everlasting life."
And as they came down from the mountain, Yeshua charged them, saying, "Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the sleep of death."
His disciples then asked him, saying, "Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?" And Yeshua answered and said unto them, "Elias truly shall first come and make ready all things.
"But I say unto you, that Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they lusted. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them." Then the disciples understood that Yeshua spake unto them of John the Baptist.
Thank you for this thoughtful video.
my husband is still a meat eater and saw this movie with me and it didn’t phase him…… kinda surprised me because he is a Christian as well 😭😢😭
The boy that hunted and young calves being starved to death ☠️ were super sad to 😢me. My computer crashed when I was watching the non-digitally enhanced graphics added version that was available so I have to finished one day. Religion are ok with storytelling about angels, demons, deities, but it all boils down to be ethical and practicing good ethics no matter what denominations 😊 Thanks Natalie, I Iike your review using different colored lights of Christspiracy 😁
It’s very good if it helps Christians to feel more inclined to lifestyles more compassionate towards animals beginning with a vegan diet 🕊
Is anyone going to try to do anything about those RED HEIFERS that have been earmarked for sacrifice in April??
Open minds are the best people that are not brainwashed by commercialism and advertising should listen to all sides. Also, pop culture ingrained in us through media created a follow the crowd mentality. Free your mind. This video is making me think. THANK YOU. ❤️🙏❌⭕️❌⭕️🙏❤️
Very helpful video - thank you for your thoughtful coverage of this most interesting documentary.
Locus was the fruit tree not bugs…
Thanks for the video Natalie! I think Christspiracy shows how brutal and non-sense human animals can be, and I had the same feeling that we would (vegans) not be able to win this fight because there's so much money, power and brainwashing, but I feel joy seeing that we are not alone and we are all fighting and we are on the innocents side. The future of humans could be vegan but we need to evolve and documentaries like Christspiracy show how primitive we are, how basic and ignorant societies are. We have self driving cars and smart phones but we are so primitive. Christspiracy shows our brutality because some old books or institutions say that is the right thing to do and it shows that most humans are slaves of that. They don´t understand freedom and they believe that humans are the perfect creatures based on a design of a god. Probably we won´t see a vegan world by the end of our lives, but we are doing the right thing and inspiring younger generations to do the same :)
Seventh Day Adventist 2 study.
Thank you for this review!
Great review, Natalie! 💪💪
Kip Anderson's documentaries have always come across as formulaic and slightly manipulative to me. There were parts of Cowspiracy and Seaspiracy that I liked, but overall there were way more weak points where his conclusions didn't always come off as logical.
The only documentaries I recommend to nonvegans is Food Inc. and Dominion, and recently Pignorant. They just seemed more well-done overall.
Peace for all of humanity begins on our plate ~VEGAN4LIFE~
Having spoken to a couple of Christians about the movie, it's unlikely to gain much traction with them. The main problem seems to be conflating Christianity with veganism, which I gather many Christians view with suspicion in that it seems to cast animals as having a degree of equal footing with humans. It seems Christians really don't like any suggestion that humans are not a different kind of being from other animals. I've not seen this movie but the reviews I have watched, such as this one, don't fill me with much enthusiasm. Trying to cast the whole thing in a sort of sensationalist light surely can't help. The funny thing is, it seems to me that there are actually strong grounds for arguing that a faithful Christian who seeks to live in God's image should be led to very much the same practices as a vegan and for very similar reasons. It surprises me that Christians aren't more aware of this but maybe like everyone else, they simply can't escape the conditioning they've experienced in life. It's hard to question the status quo, I guess.
I actually wrote about this quite recently before I'd even heard about Christpiracy. Now, I wish the film had taken a tack more along the lines that Christianity simply leads one to the belief that we should do better for other animal, just because that is the nature of God. I don't think this movie will have any effect whatsoever, unfortunately.
justustoo.blog/2024/02/24/why-veganism-reflects-christian-ideals/
@NatalieFulton if you are interested in a religious orientation that is actually vegan, take a look at the Essenes, Jesus (Jeshua) as well as the Nazarenes were actually Essene. This religious culture has been hidden at all costs because of, well.. for the very reasons why the most religious people on earth decided to crucify him.
I suggest everyone to please listen to Acharya Prashant
The Nazareth is a group of people from a church sect. The church can move location, that's why you're not going to find it on a map. 7:36
we must not turn our religion into a circus as they did-“First the people partied, then they threw a dance.” We must not be sexually promiscuous-they paid for that, remember, with 23,000 deaths in one day! We must never try to get Christ to serve us instead of us serving him; they tried it, and God launched an epidemic of poisonous snakes. We must be careful not to stir up discontent; discontent destroyed them, 1 Corinthians 10:6-10 , The Message.
Jesus visited the temple during Passover when he was 12 years old. If Matthew 21:13 is a mistranslation and actually about the violence of sacrificed lambs, then why would Jesus call the same temple with sacrificed lambs and flowing blood, "my Father’s house", in Luke 2:49?
The Boy Jesus at the Temple, Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom, ..., When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.” “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”[a] 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them. Luke 2:41-42, 48-49, The Message.
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The Kosher laws tell us which animal are good to eat.
Simply to stop the killing of animals, Lord Buddha compassionately appeared. Some rascals put forward the theory that an animal has no soul or is something like dead stone. In this way they rationalize that there is no sin in animal-killing. Actually animals are not dead stone, but the killers of animals are stonehearted. Consequently no reason or philosophy appeals to them. They continue keeping slaughterhouses and killing animals in the forest. So those who twist Buddha's teachings eat meat, just like in other religous texts it says you should not eat the blood of an animal, so they twist and say if we cut the animals throat and drain the blood we can eat the meat, they are all trying to twist the teachings to justify them eating meat.
According to Manu, the great author of civic codes and religious principles, even the killer of an animal is to be considered a murderer because animal food is never meant for the civilized man, whose prime duty is to prepare himself for going back to Godhead. He says that in the act of killing an animal there is a regular conspiracy by the party of sinners, and that all of them are liable to be punished as murderers exactly like a party of conspirators who kill a human being combinedly. He who gives permission, he who kills the animal, he who sells the slaughtered animal, he who cooks the animal, he who administers distribution of the foodstuff, and at last he who eats such cooked animal food are all murderers, and all of them are liable to be punished by the laws of nature. No one can create a living being despite all advancement of material science, and therefore no one has the right to kill a living being by one's independent whims.
I thought it was not as well made as Cowspiracy. Somehow the storytelling was not compelling- it was all over the place. And after the movie ends, they shove in another interview explaining the whole thing again. I support the message and even believe the points about Jesus because this was revealed to me long ago. But the way it was told through the filmmaking wasn’t that great. I was a little bored.
Did they go to Israel and ask them about animal sacrifice?
What is the major secret regarding the secret uncovered??
I like the green!
Watch What The Health, its very informative, lots of health information in it as towhat animal products actually do to us and also how the industry brainwashes humans into buying into it.
come on! John the Baptist was vegan. he ate locust bean, which is another name for carob.
1:39 jake and amir reference?
If Haman's and animals have souls , that the vegan connection .
There's something, there whatever it's called.
Eating animals does not make peace, like at a Christmas meal , is that a peaceful celebration, no.
For I went vegan , for a peaceful society, harmony with the natural world.
So we project peace, be vegan , that's the way .
Leo Tolstoy, said... "While there are slaughter houses there will be battlefields' "
New world , new society , it's possible , just IMAGINE, if you see , it's a manifestation really !!?
Yahweh , the most bloodthirsty deity that made me go agnostic. Seems like Jesus was not referring to “his father” when talking about this monster.
I still like Jesus more than Yahweh, but still not convinced enough to embrace Christianity again.
Locust plant
Comparing animal farms to the Holocaust and slavery is so far out of line. The suffering of huge groups of people is in no way the same thing or even close.
Why?
Veganism will never be a huge thing until we find a way to get most protein we get from meat. Just as industrialization made slavery obsolete and they we retroactively justified abolishing it.
Disappointed in you, Natalie. This is about the animals, not you being convinced to become a Christian. In fact I question the motives of any vegan who’s not wholeheartedly promoting this movie. If you can’t envision the possibility of this changing a whole multitude of Christians into vegans, then you’re locked in way too tightly to your atheist viewpoint. You’ve been lied to about Jesus not caring about animals, just like all Christians have, and it’s not their fault. Use this movie to learn how to talk to non-vegan Christians about the truth that this reveals - Jesus was an animal rights activist and a vegan.
I totally agree, I've seen far too many vegans bashing this for no reason other than it's too "religious" with some not even seen it yet.
There's no "bias" at play, here. Just reasonably directed skepticism towards some of these barely supported claims and contradictory stories/ scriptures within the book which make it clearly apparent that carnism and anthropocentrism are rampant in christian theology.
Havet wached it. Im a former mear Eather abd ateist now Vegan beliver.
Im a former prostitude started under a boyfriend/Human trafficking.
The meat industry reminds me of that hell i lived in meny ways.
Jesus DISRES mercy not sacrifce.
Did they include the gospel of the Holy 12 or the gospel of peace? Jesus does not multiple fish in them bur grape and bread. Would be very smart to include the "forbidden" books. What they offen have incomen.is a strong vegan messege.
The field of cow's and a scene dragging a pig away made me sick to death. I plan on looking these awesome activitivists up. Tonight, I watched Prof Andrew Linzey from the movie give a great speech. However, I wasn't happy about a qna question in the end.
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As an Atheist, I don't think it's good to mix it with Veganism. 🤔
I agree. Religious ppl need to stay far away from the unhealthy vegan diet and eat the animals God tells them to eat which is the healthiest in a diet.
@@GarudaLegends this comment sums up everything wrong with religion and trying to mix logic 😂😂
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@@Lithiumgurl210 dont care about your silly opinion. Go eat a salad and believe in the big bang. I will eat meat and believe in my creator. It is your right to cry 2x times about it like a baby.
@@GarudaLegends You cry on every single vegan video, oh the irony.
I didn’t know Christ was a pirate. 😉
The problem is that for all religious people their God happens to agree with their own worldview hence so many denominations. It has been the flexibility of the Protestant movement that has helped everyone to find or even start a group that most precisely matches their own perspectives. The more dogmatic sects like Catholicism are much slower to adapt and when they try to do it actually lose followers.
In short I don’t see any documentary like this - even if it was based on incontrovertible evidence (which obviously it won’t be) - changing the mindset of a religious person. God just agrees with them….period.
I watched it a couple days ago. I'm already vegan and a believer in Jesus, and from my own study already knew Jesus was vegan and his whole mission is to make the world vegan. Of course many Christians will remain stubborn, and as usual they will nitpick Bible verses to support their evil choices, but Christians with more tender hearts might be moved by the documentary to go vegan.
So you haven't even seen it yet but still forming an opinion? I went with 3 non-vegan Christian friends to see it and 2 of them were crying when we drove home. One told me she'd always had a feeling Jesus loved animals but the Bible told a different story. Too many close-minded atheist vegans bashing this movie without even seeing it.
@@veganizeeverything2769 That's awesome. I always had a big problem with the scriptures saying God commanded sacrifice. When I prayed for understanding on that, I started noticing many verses in the prophets that say He didn't: Jer 7:22 being the most direct. Jer 8:8 speaks of lying pen of the scribes. Now I understand the prophets were always against the priesthood on account of this issue. God created the world vegan (Gen 1), and Jesus will be restoring it to his original intent (Isa 11). Bloodshed=sin.
@@veganizeeverything2769 You kinda proved my point really as one said she had always believed that this Jesus character loved animals so this film has helped reinforce that belief. People take what they want from these stories and discard the stuff that they don’t like. But if it gives some people a justification for considering being vegan then that is good. I am not the target market though for this documentary because I don’t see any reason to care what a prophet thought 2000 years ago one way or the other.
Eat anything sold at the butcher shop, for instance; you don’t have to run an “idolatry test” on every item. “The earth,” after all, “is God’s, and everything in it.” That “everything” certainly includes the leg of lamb in the butcher shop. If a nonbeliever invites you to dinner and you feel like going, go ahead and enjoy yourself; eat everything placed before you. It would be both bad manners and bad spirituality to cross-examine your host on the ethical purity of each course as it is served. On the other hand, if he goes out of his way to tell you that this or that was sacrificed to god or goddess so-and-so, you should pass. Even though you may be indifferent as to where it came from, he isn’t, and you don’t want to send mixed messages to him about who you are worshiping. But, except for these special cases, I’m not going to walk around on eggshells worrying about what small-minded people might say; I’m going to stride free and easy, knowing what our large-minded Master has already said, ..., So eat your meals heartily, not worrying about what others say about you-you’re eating to God’s glory, after all, not to please them. As a matter of fact, do everything that way, heartily and freely to God’s glory. At the same time, don’t be callous in your exercise of freedom, thoughtlessly stepping on the toes of those who aren’t as free as you are. I try my best to be considerate of everyone’s feelings in all these matters; I hope you will be, too, 1 Corinthians 10:25-33, The Message.
This film tells me nothing new. I know about the cruelty in meat and dairy. That in Eden our diet was vegan and that it will be again. That the church does not teach the truth about this and encourages cruelty. That other faiths too are guilty.
I believe in animals being treated well, but animals are not equal to humans. In fact, you comparing animal rights with women's rights is pretty disgusting.
Why? I respect both women and animals. It's only disgusting if you don't respect animals
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i grew up away from religion, so any religious movie i won't watch, no need for me to see it.
if you need religion to be more kind, then there are larger problems at play.
and religion has to be about being kind or it would be evil.
Of course he was at least vegetarian....
You're so real, I love your reviews
(The Gospel of the holy 12) A vegan bible 1st century Bible gospel written during the time of christ, they added flesh eating in the 4th century council Nicaea come back to christ he came to end flesh eating read the gospel of the holy 12!!!!
Saints were vegetarians
I haven't seen the movie yet, but appreciate your comments. I am first and foremost a Christian, and I don't eat animals. But evidence shows that Jesus was not vegan. When well-meaning folks like Kip and Cameron twist scripture to agree with veganism, they're not helping anyone. Jesus didn't feed the multitudes 'fishgrass.' When someone comes up with a new scriptural interpretation 2000 years later that disagrees with 2000 years of Church history, I'll stick with Church history. Jesus wasn't crucified for turning over the tables in the temple, though that played into it. Read the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). The Jewish leaders had been trying to kill Jesus for much of His ministry not for what happened in the temple shortly before He was crucified, but for saying He was the Son of God, and for saying He was 'the Great I AM' from Exodus. In John 8:58-59, Jesus was disputing with the Jewish religious leaders. They were talking about Abraham, and Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I AM." and the leaders tried to stone Him, not for anything related to animals, but for what they considered to be blasphemy. In Exodus, Moses asked God who he should tell the Egyptian king had sent him. God said to Moses, "I am that I am. Tell them I AM has sent you." (means "I always have been what I always will be.).
I try to approach things, including not eating animals, from a historic Christian viewpoint. But I don't believe in trying to twist scripture to back-up my viewpoint. There is no contradiction in being a Christian, not eating meat, and believing that Jesus and the apostles, at least on some occasions, ate meat. I don't know why things were or were not allowed in Biblical times. I have given this a lot of thought and will continue to do so. I am an Orthodox Christian. At most Orthodox monasteries, little to no meat is eaten. There have always been Church leaders through the ages who didn't eat meat, but most did, and they were and are far more righteous and holy than I could ever pray to be.
I have a lot of respect for Kip and his earlier movies. May we all come to the truth that is in Christ.
Jesus' mission is to restore creation to God's original intent, which was vegan according to Gen 1:29-30 and Isaiah 11. The prophets had a history of standing up to the priesthood on account of sacrifice/bloodshed. Reread the Bible through the lense of "go learn what this means: God desires mercy, not sacrifice" and it all becomes clear. Jesus was a vegan activist, God's will is veganism (justice, mercy, truth). See the film before critiquing it to save yourself blowing a lot of wasted hot air.
The Gospels are tall tales, nothing more. They aren't history. So anyone can make up new tales about Jesus making him a vegan or anything else that comes from imagination because that's how the Gospel writers did it. They made up stories and now billions around the world think that those stories are real. Sad.
I'm from the middle east, sorry guys for exporting our savage primitive religions to the whole world.
Is not it time to acknowledge (via the Gaza Genocide) that the G-d of the Bible is a demigod?
I find these movies extremely frustrating. There are good arguments for veganism without the need to espouse misinformation and dress it up as this weird conspiratorial show
What did you find conspiratorial?
Yep, I haven't seen this yet, but have read about the content.
To me, it's just reframing and potentially distorting mumbo jumbo.
But if this helps persuade a percentage of our religiously minded brethren to consider being kinder toward other animals...
Maybe it's a good thing, albeit still based on mumbo jumbo.
@@2wiceaDAY "A 2000 year coverup", Cowspiracy is framed as being about a massive coverup as well, you can't be serious
So, there is evidence that people covered up the fact that Jesus was vegan and you want it to remain hidden?
Or it's misinformation because you say so?
Are you ok bro?
@@alexanderTheVegan "the fact that jesus was vegan" - that you consider this anything more than speculation perfectly illustrates why movies like this are on about the same level as like Loose Change, intellectually
You havent done the research into Christianity's manipulation of language and scripture to serve their narrative. That is why you wont understand that there definitely IS a 2000 year cover-up and misrepresentation of Jesus and God the creator.
Imagine YOU lived 2000 years ago and YOU were misrepresented and your character was smeared by those that wanted to use your life to serve their agenda.
How would YOU feel??
I think its irresponsible just to add and subtract the contents of this movie according to YOUR lack of knowledge of the history of Christianity.
I give your comments a 5/10
Yeah, it's ridiculous concept
Laughing all the way to the bank on the backs of very naive vegans.
Love this review. I’m eagerly awaiting to be able to watch this in Canada and I wasn’t expecting it to be a hard watch either so appreciate the heads up on that. And you should check out what the health, it’s the first documentary I watched as a non vegan and helped nudge me towards veganism
20$??????
$16.45 in Iowa. They would not allow a cheaper showing. This has Church of Scientology fingerprints all over it.
There is a chance that Wikipedia can be wrong?!?? You’re being sarcastic righ?
> There is a chance that Wikipedia can be wrong?!?? You’re being sarcastic righ?
What?
@@rabbitcreative a problem?what what?
@@rabbitcreativeshe used Wikipedia to make a claim.
@@rabbitcreative I think my questions are clear..what are you having trouble understanding? Even though the questions are more or less rhetorical - I can & will help you understand them.
Not to mention (about the NT) the Passover lamb. Duhhh, they are meat. Ohhh, and what about the fish (both the fishes and loaves AND the fishes on the shore that Jesus cooked on the shore. HOW CAN THERE EVEN BE A QUESTION???!!! Stop this nonsense. They are meat!!!
I had high hopes for the documentary but personally I was disappointed.
Not enough attention to detail.
Not enough evidence shown to back up claims (like with the Nazareth claim).
Time spent unwisely on dramatic effect - such as is done with the super-tiny subplot of the 'scary figures' following them and the private investigator.
All that being said, I think the film will have a net-positive impact on the movement.
My brother works for the Catholic church and we had a discussion about the film (I saw it, he didn't/ I am vegan, he is not). He found what I shared to be really interesting and said he was motivated to see the film.
Since there are so many interpretations of christianity, the claims/messages in the film will, I think, fall on a lot of deaf ears.
One idea I had during the film is that of the belief within most of christianity that Jesus *is* god and god *is* Jesus.
If someone believes that truly and literally, then there is no way around the fact that in the scripture god killed every last living being in the great flood (apart from those present on Noah's Ark).
God commits and permits mass murder, genocide and harm to *so many* sentient beings in the bible that it's difficult for me to be convinced that very many learned fundamentalists would even consider the notion that Jesus was an advocate for animals.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
If you don't understand the meaning of the flood, please don't draw nonsense conclusions.
@@alexanderTheVegan could you please share more about your perspective
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The flood wasn’t an act of wanton destruction by a capricious God. God was acting to restore the goodness of his creation. God preserves one family through the flood and elevates Noah as a new Adam, placed once again in a garden on a high mountain paradise with the commission to be fruitful and multiply.
Later on, when Isaiah the prophet remembers Noah
(Isaiah 54:9)
he doesn’t think of the flood but the covenant God made with Noah afterward. In that covenant, God promises that nothing like this will ever happen again.
Why do you think He said it will never happen again?
It's like He said:
"Look Noah, here is a reset of the world. Be careful now. If you also lose control and the world becomes again immoral and violent, I won't reset it anymore.
I will let everyone live with the consequences of their actions.
Even if I reset it, it will happen again."
Later, He gave a solution for those that wanted to be saved, so He sent Jesus to pay for our sins.
He loves us so much, that he bacame part of the human suffering. Jesus, as the human form of God, paid for our sins and offered salvation through him.
Can you find a greater act of love than that?
@@alexanderTheVegan Thank you for taking the time to elaborate.
I'm failing to see how your perspective is incompatible with my position.
My point (distilled) is that, in the story of the flood, god kills every living sentient being (apart from those present on the ark).
Consequently, many of those who believe in that narrative, and that Jesus is god, could, on their position, reasonably conclude that god/Jesus is not opposed to killing animals (as well as humans) on a mass scale.
@@alexanderTheVegan as to your question of finding a greater act of love than that, I personally imagine that a maximally benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient creator could choose not to have created a situation to begin with where said creator would knowingly need to kill on such a scale.
Or, such a creator could've simply created all non-human animals in such a way as to lack sentience and thus avoid such a massive toll of suffering.
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"the last will be first, and the first will be last"
- Jesus (apparently)
So I win.