The call (and gesture) everyone at the game will be talking about

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  • Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
  • This was the tie breaking call in the bottom of the ninth that caused extra innings that ended up with a loss for the Wampus Cats.

Комментарии • 97

  • @sahgentpeppah
    @sahgentpeppah 22 дня назад +12

    It's always the parents that are the most embarrassing when these things happen.

  • @dalethelander3781
    @dalethelander3781 26 дней назад +20

    Looked to me like the catcher blocked the plate before he had the ball. Posey Rule.

    • @JoeR-tv6nh
      @JoeR-tv6nh 23 дня назад +5

      I slowed it down and it is hard to see the best resolution of the plate, but it looks like the catcher's arm came down to the runner before the runner got to the plate.

    • @Joefloridaman
      @Joefloridaman 20 дней назад +2

      Looks like the catcher had one foot on either side of the foul line before having possession of the ball.

    • @steveswangler6373
      @steveswangler6373 20 дней назад

      forget teh pansy posey who never learned how to block the plate without getting hurt, even though he played for years under a former catcher who got his ass run over in the 1980 nlcs, the catcher was making the play ergo he was perfectly positioned.

    • @JoeR-tv6nh
      @JoeR-tv6nh 20 дней назад

      @@Joefloridaman He had to be in position to catch the ball which was thrown high. If he moved closer to the inside of the foul line he probably would not have caught the ball.

    • @wncryder
      @wncryder 17 дней назад +1

      @@JoeR-tv6nh - That doesn’t change the fact the catcher block the path of the runner before having possession of the ball.

  • @eddiew.6485
    @eddiew.6485 27 дней назад +39

    That’s right parents, you were right there on top of the plate and really, really did have the best vantage point to make the call……….no wonder they can’t get anyone to umpire a game anymore!

    • @AAAskeet
      @AAAskeet 26 дней назад +6

      Yes,I umped for several years.Everybody in the stands is an expert.Like I care who wins.

    • @svendjorgensen7201
      @svendjorgensen7201 24 дня назад

      High throw, runner slid between the catcher's legs. Not even close.

    • @AAAskeet
      @AAAskeet 24 дня назад

      @@svendjorgensen7201 It happens so fast in real life.Best you can do is try to be in the right position to call it and call what you saw.

    • @user-wd4uf2sm5d
      @user-wd4uf2sm5d 22 дня назад +3

      Who's the loud mouth? He needs to be escorted out of the ball park.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 21 день назад +2

      @@svendjorgensen7201 The tag was on the runner before he reached the plate.

  • @MichaelSimmons.
    @MichaelSimmons. 18 дней назад +2

    I had no idea what was going to happen on this video. I watched the play, and thought he was out. Very hard to tell for sure

  • @virginiabrinkmann9106
    @virginiabrinkmann9106 29 дней назад +24

    Looked out to me.

  • @paulpinball9952
    @paulpinball9952 23 дня назад +16

    The plate is indistinguishable, the catcher's glove is completely obscured, and there is no basis for anybody watching the play on this video to dispute the call. I would only suggest that youth-team coaches teach players to *ALWAYS* slide feet-first into the plate, Catchers are well protected by "the tools of ignorance." Hands-first sliders are simply ignorant.

    • @johndever8481
      @johndever8481 16 дней назад +2

      The runner did not clearly beat the tag. Catcher only has to give a path not a highway. My only suggestion to the senior blue is to move to where he does not straight line himself. I quit at 70 after 52 years because I lost my quick movement. This guy needs to, because looking old and slow, plus a quick bounce reflex, makes for long nights.

    • @herbhouston5378
      @herbhouston5378 13 дней назад

      Sportsmanship???
      I heard that word somewhere???

    • @pattiross3798
      @pattiross3798 9 дней назад

      The catcher illegally blocked the plate the player should have gone in shoulder first
      And flattend the catcher.

  • @firstname7330
    @firstname7330 29 дней назад +7

    I got out on the play. I didn't see middle finger....looks like pointing finger.

  • @kennowens7381
    @kennowens7381 Месяц назад +10

    I have no real comment on the initial call, since i can't even tell where the plate is in the video. If I had to guess, I'd say safe, but that would be a complete guess. I also can't say much about the ejection since we can't hear what was said. But WHY are they hanging out in front of the dugout after the ejection? Yes, they have to make sure the coach leaves, but you can go back to your between inning positions and avoid more conflict.

    • @WildDears
      @WildDears  Месяц назад +1

      It was a very odd exchange. The ump had been getting bombarded by the crowd all night for his sliding strike zone and obviously wasn’t very happy about it.
      I’ve heard many umps this season on the business end of incredibly nasty comments only for them to ignore the comments to the point I even questioned if they heard them. It’s rare that I see an ump lose his cool.
      This one allegedly flipped off #4 (tbh from my vantage point I couldn’t tell) with zoomed in paused video it does kind of appear true, but not 100%. 4 didn’t get ejected so I’m not sure what the jester was for.
      The call may not have been personal, but when you start showing emotion it makes it hard for people to accept the call is legit.
      Last season I saw a coach kick dirt on an ump and he got ejected without any extra fanfare or emotion from the ump. He ejected the coach and went back to doing his job.
      That said, even if I had the knowledge it takes to be an ump, I would not have the emotional fortitude to do it.

    • @jonnya3425
      @jonnya3425 Месяц назад +3

      This is one of the reasons why youth baseball is suffering. There has always been arguing with umps and some comments from the crowd but the overall culture has changed for the worse. People feel empowered to be the worst version of themselves and demand to be respected while showing none to everyone around them. I've thought about umping in the past but I have zero interest in it these days. The amount of money I'd have to be paid to put up with people at their worst while doing my absolute best would bankrupt the league.
      The lesson that should be taught when an umpire makes a mistake is, "he's doing his best. Sure, he blew that call but we all make mistakes. Let's show him some grace."
      That type of lesson would help shape these kids into respectable people rather than entitled monsters.

    • @jamesnasium4035
      @jamesnasium4035 29 дней назад +1

      I was wondering that: is this youth baseball? The kind of comments the ump is getting from the stands would not be tolerated when my kids were in Nations Baseball. The umps would eject fans and if it didn't stop the game would be forfeited.

    • @WildDears
      @WildDears  29 дней назад +1

      @@jamesnasium4035It’s Southern Collegiate Baseball League

    • @MagSeven7
      @MagSeven7 28 дней назад

      @@jonnya3425 I'm always amazed at the comments by fans and parents as they yell at an umpire or any youth official for that matter. Having been a LL umpire for over 20 years I've heard it all. I rarely interact with the crowd unless I hear someone use profanity. That being said, I have to bite my toungue when I hear the complaints since I have no doubt everyone complaining has never officiated a game in their lives! Try calling 300 pitches and see if they get any wrong! Incredible.

  • @guidofurlotti5969
    @guidofurlotti5969 20 дней назад +2

    Also for me the catcher stands in front of the plate (left leg well outside the foul line) so he is blocking the plate before having the ball. So the runner is safe. Considering instead the timing of the tag, it seems that the tag is before the runner touches the plate, in this optic (only) the ump decided correctly.

  • @61wanderer61
    @61wanderer61 19 дней назад +1

    I’ll just say, that ump was in no way where he should have been. . It was a bang bang play, and positioning is the ump first rule to making good calls.

  • @nelsonporter8387
    @nelsonporter8387 26 дней назад +4

    Nice behavior, sports parents!

    • @user-wd4uf2sm5d
      @user-wd4uf2sm5d 22 дня назад +1

      That's why many long time sports officials are calling it quits. It's not worth it.

  • @altonweaver7757
    @altonweaver7757 25 дней назад +1

    I’m sure he mentioned to the coach that he’s (Coach) responsible for the conduct of himself, fans and players.

  • @stevenfagaly3810
    @stevenfagaly3810 27 дней назад +5

    Out by a mile. I used to ump and could never believe the arguments on plays that weren't even close.

  • @tedunderkoffler4164
    @tedunderkoffler4164 4 дня назад

    Start at 0:17, catcher is inside the left foul line; as the play proceeds the catcher is moving to field the thrown ball; at 0:23 catcher fields thrown ball; at 0:24 catcher glove is below the catcher's waist; at 0:25 catcher's glove is in contact with runner and runner has not touched home plate. GREAT CALL!

  • @playdiscgolf1546
    @playdiscgolf1546 23 дня назад +2

    The people in the stands….haha drunken clowns. I’d really like to see them umpire a single game, without needing a drink.

  • @christollaksen8442
    @christollaksen8442 26 дней назад +6

    Happy to see it in slow motion, that would help us (umpires) see the game better. The $ 60.00 or so dollars that we make is never worth the aggravation of tossing a coach, writing a report to the association, having to speak with a league representative that ultimately decides the punishment. Enjoy the game, we teach our youth the wrong things about handling judgement calls.

    • @glenchapman3899
      @glenchapman3899 26 дней назад

      I dont think there was anyway from the footage to know if it was out or not. In the league I played in we all had to take turns umpiring games so we could get a feel for just how hard the job is.

    • @timothyingersoll4311
      @timothyingersoll4311 23 дня назад

      @@glenchapman3899 Good idea. It's not hard until you get a play that's close.LOL Then it's awe shit. I initially had him out but couldn't really tell where home plate was. Also had the catcher standing in front of the plate blocking the runner from running through the plate. So not sure when this game was played might have been before rule change to avoid collisions. Different tag coming if he's standing along side the plate.

  • @INJURYCOMP
    @INJURYCOMP 16 дней назад

    Very clearly SAFE! The runner's left arm is already past the catcher's legs when the tag is made. The runner's right arm and chest are, therefore, already on home plate before the catcher bends down to make the tag. S A F E

  • @MichaelWilliams-xe7by
    @MichaelWilliams-xe7by 2 дня назад

    Man, if parents acted like that at any of my son's games they would be told to leave and if they didn't leave it would be a forfeit. Where is this that parents can get away with that garbage?

  • @stephenlyons8575
    @stephenlyons8575 14 дней назад

    I can see the plate. He tug him before fe touched home. Now whether it’s a blocking call or not??

  • @TomBrown-cq4vu
    @TomBrown-cq4vu 24 дня назад +2

    Blocking the plate....beer league rules....

  • @dougsimmon7460
    @dougsimmon7460 2 дня назад

    And they wonder why they can't find umpires . In my days of little league , parents used to come and watch the kids play . Today's parents are there to ras the umpires !!!

  • @garthreynolds1437
    @garthreynolds1437 28 дней назад +6

    Catcher blocking plate without the ball , runner slid into catchers shin as the catchers glove was above his head ,still no ball in glove..safe because of interference!

    • @willowbrook2717
      @willowbrook2717 26 дней назад +2

      Proves you don't know what you're talking about. Inaccurate description even though the play is in slo-mo. In addition, to double down on the fact you don't know the rules, if it was interference the runner would be automatically out. On the other hand if it was obstruction...

    • @garthreynolds1437
      @garthreynolds1437 26 дней назад

      @willowbrook2717 watched in five times in stop motion..

    • @dalethelander3781
      @dalethelander3781 26 дней назад +1

      ​@@willowbrook2717I saw a clear violation of the Posey Rule.

  • @socalhockey72
    @socalhockey72 29 дней назад

    That's pretty clearly him throwing out another player or coach with a pointing gesture. Even with it slowed down I don't see a middle finger there.

    • @WildDears
      @WildDears  29 дней назад

      From my vantage point, I didn’t notice it all in real time until I had a couple of players, parents and a coach asked if I got it.
      I’m with you that I thought a second person (or other teammates) were being ejected as well.
      Turns out, no one else was ejected.
      Because of the music, I couldn’t hear the exchange. Based on my seat I would say it wasn’t a middle finger, but many in the 3rd base line said it was.
      But yeah, I have no idea.

  • @willowbrook2717
    @willowbrook2717 26 дней назад

    Had a call at second base the other day where I was in great position for a bang bang play at second. Tag was there a fraction before runner. Runner mumbled something and the SS said "c'mon, you were out by a mile". That was it. Then I hear from behind the backstop about 20 rows up in the stands "C'mon Dave! You gotta get that one right!" SS looks at me as he's tossing ball to pitcher and says "You're name Dave?" I said "unfortunately" and we both rolled our eyes and he smiled.
    This play in this video wasn't as even as close as mine. But obviously the drinker in the crowd had a conviction that the official on top of the play wasn't qualified to make his call. Hmmm, maybe we should always check with the experts in the gallery before making calls.
    I always say that one can see plays better from the stands. Not sure why they just don't have us making calls from there. Maybe its a matter of perspective? 🤔

  • @duanerichardson5824
    @duanerichardson5824 26 дней назад +3

    Never ceases to amaze me that a parent who is 60+ feet away and at an angle has a better view than I do when I'm right there on top of the play. It's why I quit. I love the game, but the patents have ruined it. They act like there kid being called out will cost them a college scholarship or keep them off Sports Center.

  • @audieaitken5878
    @audieaitken5878 17 дней назад

    Catcher has right to block if it is in the excution of the play

  • @mmcgahn5948
    @mmcgahn5948 26 дней назад

    Even in super slow motion it was very close. In real time it could go either way. I wouldn’t disagree with the Umpire

    • @glenchapman3899
      @glenchapman3899 26 дней назад

      Well there was the old saying. When in doubt, give them out. Ump once explained to me, a fast game is a good game.

  • @jamesoliver6625
    @jamesoliver6625 26 дней назад +1

    Proof that being contiguous to a play doesn't necessarily give your the opportunity to actually see the play. Given how close to illegally blocking the plate without the ball the catcher was standing, the hand slid in before the catcher could have tagged at the earliest the back of the runner's head.

  • @umpireva5440
    @umpireva5440 19 дней назад +1

    Parents are immature fools

  • @gpttigers
    @gpttigers 26 дней назад +2

    Wirh the benefit of slow mo, clearly obstruction on the catcher. Should be safe.

  • @McLovin1759
    @McLovin1759 21 день назад +1

    Runner looked out. Too close to call for anyone in the stands.
    Loudmouth parent should get off their arse and apply to be an Ump if he/she/they think they can do better.

  • @beardedwonder73
    @beardedwonder73 16 дней назад

    I was all for blue up to that point.... smh. You gotta be bigger than the other .. come on man

  • @habittibah527
    @habittibah527 8 дней назад

    Alot of good "points" on both sides in comments. None of us went out of our way to referee a kids game , ump cares.

  • @mmcgahn5948
    @mmcgahn5948 2 дня назад

    Out!

  • @svendjorgensen7201
    @svendjorgensen7201 24 дня назад

    Safe, it wasn't even that close with the throw coming in so high. Umps have worse egos than cops.

    • @hlspraying7614
      @hlspraying7614 20 дней назад +1

      Then volunteer to umpire big guy!

  • @MrRogers326
    @MrRogers326 29 дней назад +8

    OBSTRUCTION

    • @jfejapan2829
      @jfejapan2829 29 дней назад +2

      Precisely. The call is easy because in basically every league, this would be the catcher blocking the plate prior to possessing the ball. The umpire wouldn't have had to throw anyone out if the proper obstruction call had been made.

    • @WildDears
      @WildDears  28 дней назад

      This ^^

    • @sidvicous613
      @sidvicous613 28 дней назад

      easy call.... you actually umpire lol

    • @daveholtz2528
      @daveholtz2528 27 дней назад

      @@jfejapan2829 I dont think so. Catcher has the right to position himself to catch the ball too. @ :22 catcher catches ball in blocking spot, @ :23 you can see runner starting his slide but hasn't landed yet. @ :25 catch is tagging runner but home plate hasn't been touched.
      Catch fielded throw and brought it straight down.

    • @jfejapan2829
      @jfejapan2829 26 дней назад

      @@daveholtz2528 I'm not really interested in starting a huge back-and-forth... but this is textbook for obstruction. Your timeline actually proves that he violated the obstruction rule. The catcher does NOT have the right to position himself within the basepath to catch the ball. He must set up further into fair territory until the ball arrives. He very clearly is standing directly in the exact path the runner is taking well before being in the act of catching the ball. I'm not arguing whether home plate was touched or any of that. The runner is awarded home due to obstruction. Period.

  • @adamwatkins1150
    @adamwatkins1150 22 дня назад +1

    good call, baseball players be crybabies sometimes

  • @bigosoatx
    @bigosoatx 18 дней назад

    He's out atw

  • @terryphillips8190
    @terryphillips8190 18 дней назад

    Ueker saw it

  • @djlutz9443
    @djlutz9443 26 дней назад

    Ump in wrong position. But what he says is the call. End of discussion

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 21 день назад

      The umpire was in a perfect position.

  • @BrockHagen
    @BrockHagen 2 дня назад

    Out - ninnies should be quiet.

  • @johnboy1064
    @johnboy1064 25 дней назад

    He out!!! Go sit down

  • @ema63613
    @ema63613 25 дней назад

    Easy call "OUT"

  • @RH-sb5co
    @RH-sb5co 26 дней назад

    Out by a MILE. Embarrassing for the kids, to say the least.

  • @christesterman7163
    @christesterman7163 27 дней назад

    Out