Team thinks they won the championship but they lost, a breakdown
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whoever decided both teams could wear red needs to be put on trial for their crimes
no kidding, not even close even, same color shirts, and the pants only a slight offwhite by the defense....once the offense started playing and their pants got dirty you couldn't tell them apart LOL
It’s high school; most high schools don’t have home and away uniforms.
@@chancereed2003How? Even third world country small neighbourhood leagues have dark and light “uniforms” each team.
@@caelestigladii if both teams have one set of uniforms and their red that’s kinda how that happens. The high school I went to was really small and we had one set of uniforms. I wore the same set all thru high school. Athletic boosters couldn’t afford to buy new uniforms every season for the whole team.
@@MoveoverAndbark not compete? that’s actually a really dumb idea.
This was a very sad moment for the red team, but a very happy one for the red team.
It was great for the Red Raiders, but really sad for the Blue Raiders, who didn't even make it this far in the tournament.
Lmao
Who are we……
the Wildcats!!!!
Who are we going to beat…..
the Wildcats
Nicely played.
Why are they allowed to both wear red. Football ain't like this.
Pitcher: I can't believe I dropped the fly ball. I'll never live this down.
Catcher: Hold my orange slices.
😂
Coach. “ Don’t ever let a pitcher field a pop up that a fielder or catcher can get.”
That ball should be the 3rd basements ball all day
...but only after middle relief from John the Baptist.
@@destinyvasquez6849always, the pitcher has such a terrible angle at catching that ball . this was a compilation of brain farts . 😂
That poor second baseman. He was trying his hardest to stop what was happening 😂😂😂
I hope he chewed them out and go with a different team next time. Those guys were IDIOTS.
Him and the one outfielder.
Gonna stick with him forever.
@@ColinAverill LOL I thought the same thing. I pick him for my team.
the OUTFIELDER knew the whole time 😂 ik the feeling , so brutal , if he was at shortstop they prolly could have prevented this 😂 brain fart of the century is still that BOTH TEAMS HAD THE SAME JERSEYS ON LMAOOO
I've never seen an instance where the umpire giving the safe sign means the runner is out.
It can mean _not_ a dropped strike 3, as in he picked it clean.
@@rapid13 No that would be a OUT signal.
*insert Angel Hernandez joke here*
The safe signal is given when a ball is not caught.
If the catcher was asking the ump if he tagged the batter out and received a safe signal, then this is on the catcher. Should've at least gestured to first even if there was no play available so everyone else could see.
Watching the whole clip makes this loss even worse. They blew a 4-run lead AND dropped a game-winning pop out? Crazy.
And failed to deliver an easy out at 1st
The pickoff attempt at 1st. CF dropped a fairly routine fly ball. Popup to P. So many chances to complete the victory. Then on the easiest chance to seal victory, the C gets thoroughly confused on a standard uncaught 3rd strike. Ugh.
really let the pitcher off the hook, tho.
@@silentstorm5439 and had a clear strike called a ball on the last AB
@@TigerDude333 not really....if he's not making out with the catcher, they could still win
Imagine reaching this level of baseball as a catcher and not knowing the difference between a safe call and an out.
Exactly. Since when has the safe sign meant good news for the defense?
@@Felix.Dragon. dude was still running and wasn't at first yet so he wasn't safe yet.
@@mustaffa1611he was safe from that tag. A lot of times when there is a tag attempt the ump will signal safe or out. The catcher made the safe sign when the catcher attempted to tag the runner after the drop third strike. Now whether that was a good call no one but the runner and catcher will ever know but regardless the catcher saw him give the safe sign after the tag attempt and could still have thrown the ball to first, or posted up at home to make sure the other runner didn’t score. He instead chose to put the ball in his pocket and celebrate. 100% on the catcher
@@mustaffa1611yeah. But he called safe from the no tag. IMO
Someone on the losing team had a bunch of negative karma on the books. That amount of fuckups, bad pitchinng, missing a pop up, mistaking the umps sign, etc……… this amount of continual mistakes doesn’t happen randomly.
Also props to the last batter who ran after the catcher dropped the ball on the last strike. I think it would have been easy for him to not run, considering he just struck out and the ball was right next to him, but he chose to run hard anyways and it ultimately started the chaos that gave them the win. Smart baseball on his part.
It's an old cliche but you miss every shot you don't take. Going every single time as hard as you can creates opportunities others would miss.
"He said safe."
Right, which is the opposite of "out" which is what you wanted.
Yeah lol! I just realized that the catcher is arguing safe while giving the safe sign back to the ump. Like yeah kid, he was safe. That's the exact opposite of what you wanted. It's like he confused what out and safe meant.
I've had a catcher interpret this incorrectly multiple times, and I've asked one of them how they get it crossed up - I'm told they accidentally think the umpire is making a call on whether or not they dropped the ball or that safe means "they're" safe; because "how can a batter be safe?" It's a championship game, every kid on that time should've been screaming at him to throw to first/tag the runner until they got the out call - and heard it. I'd have waited for the runner to walk to the dugout if I was on first.
I mean, I kinda get it, cause the tag was so obvious that he really just didn´t expect the ump to rule this anything else, which is why his brain probably went into `whatever signal the ump gives probably means we´ve won´-mode. He just didn't take into account that the ump didn't have a great vantage point
I didn't even catch that when I saw this on another channel. The person who did that breakdown even said the catcher could've made the tag and might not have seen the ump's safe sign before turning away, and others in the comments were agreeing with it. Now it's very clear he did see the ump make the safe sign, so there's no question he just doesn't know the rules and cost his team the championship.
@@SickRedApple I think he was holding the ball in his hand and tagged the batter with his empty glove...if so, ump had it right.
Sucks for that second baseman. He will talk about this even to his grandkids
"Kids, let me tell you about the meaning of 'premature celebration'."
@@Andorski It's when your mother gave birth to you /s
"I was the only one on the entire TEAM to realize he wasn't out! I could have gone pro with that championship win!"
@@Andorski He can rope that right into the premature ejaculation talk and double dip for max efficiency.
@@targetthyself There's supposed to be a talk on that?!?
That catcher took the hidden ball trick to a whole new level.
Ouch!
Hidden ball trick on his own team... That's brutal. 🤣
His fault for being an idiot
If the kid had just dropped the ball on the ground then one of his teammates may have been able to play it. However, with the ball firmly in the back pocket of the catcher, they had no chance to even know where it was.
My coach when I was a catcher in high school always taught me to throw a dropped 3rd strike to first even if I thought I tagged the batter, just in case of instances of the umpire missing the tag or something similar
Exactly. Coaches blew this one
I mean you wouldn’t always wanna do that, especially with other runners on. You risk an error or steal on the putout attempt at first.
With two outs or with nobody on base, sure. If there are runners on base, however, you need to be careful.
@@user-oi4ti6wv5iwell since this particular strikeout can only occur with 2 outs I think he knows a lil more about what he’s talking about than you 😂
Just imagine the logic of the coach, "There's too many players on the field!!!" And the umpire is like, "They're your players!"
Yup, as long as there wasn't players from the offense on the field, then the play continues. Umps made the right call by letting it go.
THIS IS BS!!! I SENT YOU THE PM VIA FB!!! WHAT?? NO CREDIT THAT I ALERTED YOU JOMBOY!!! HORSE 💩!!!!
Kind of like John Elway's complaint about the Cal-Stanford game. Dude, It's YOUR band.
He should say that in a Charles Barkley voice!
"Away teams hate this one trick: If a play is in progress and about to cost you runs, just flood the field with people so the umps have to stop it" No, I think they are on to this gambit.
I couldn’t imagine losing a state championship like this
It was sectionals not states it’s my hometown
@@brandonmcgregor7655 gotcha, still a tough lose
I couldn’t imagine being talented enough to be in a state championship
Sectional Championship not NY State but yea it’s tough
red vs red
This kid simultaneously struck out and scored a gaming winning homerun. Legendary! The strike out/catcher error seems like a dumb rule to me, but if awesome shit like this happens, then I am all for it.
Yep, three strikes and an inside the park home run on the same play.
No homerun. Advances to home on an error.
@@LordHawHaw100 Technically true, but also a buzz-kill comment.
@@LordHawHaw100is it considered an error if they just don't play the ball and hold it?
The reason for the rule is that the strike out rule exists to guarantee a ball in play. A third strike is considered to put a ball in play. Usually, this is put out by the catcher catching the ball, but when he drops it, they have to find another way. Essentially, it's a rule from the very early days of baseball, but it is important enough to make a difference in the 1941 world series
This is hilarious that catcher epitomizes the meaning of “Don’t celebrate til it’s over.” Worst brain fart I’ve ever seen in sports
Well the catcher thought it was over
Especially since the catcher is meant to be the defensive manager of the field
I think JR Smith forgetting the game was tied and running out the clock in the Finals was worse xD
@@lifetake3103 Since when is two outs the end of the inning the umpire called NO TAG safe after he attempted the tag.
@@63076topher Yes we all saw that. Obviously the catcher got confused and thought the runner was out thus the game was over in his mind.
“He said safe!” Says the catcher. Every soul yells back in unison, “YES ALL THE RUNNERS ARE SAFE!”
I think he thought the ump was making a signal for “game over”
@@AB-lc5ve That is SAFE not game over.
@@AB-lc5ve no
Looks like the catcher tagged the runner after the dropped 3rd strike, otherwise, of course he would have thrown it to 1st, he knew what was going on. The home plate ump missed the call and the catcher got confused by his signal
@@JMill77 The umpire has the best view we can not see if it happened.
I really hope that catcher kept that ball. He earned the game ball LoL Story telling for generations... "Gather 'round kids, this was the state championship ball where I thought safe meant out..."
Knowing teens, there's about a 90% chance they burn that ball lol
It wasn’t state championship meet. It was the B1 section V sectional championship meet.
This comment is hilarious and brutal….😂😬🙁
You always hear the phrase ‘he’s gonna put this on in his pocket’ referring to there is no play and he’s going to hold onto it. This time he actually does.
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
When I first heard of this story a few days ago, I went and watched the entire last inning, and I was thinking, holy crap they really missed like 80% of the story. How do you leave out that Hornell was up 5-1 going into the bottom of the inning, and the pitcher dropped that gimme pop up. Talk about a collapse!
"hey both of our teams have red shirts; how are we gonna tell each other apart?"
"you guys wear white pants, and we'll wear light grey pants."
"GENIUS!"
They blew a 4 run lead in the last inning. The ending is merely icing on the cake.
True. Also like number 100. I’m so proud lol
Who has more pain? Pitcher for that drop that extended the game or the catcher for his mental mistake?
@@AEMoreira81 yes
@@AEMoreira81I think it’s equal. Watching this makes it hard for me to get this is HS baseball. My kid’s HS team would run rule this team in the field easily and these teams are playing a championship.😳
Anything can happen in baseball.
At every level of baseball the ump signals out when a runner is out. Safe means play on. Catcher blew it.
that people are arguing this is mind blowing. Calls are for the batter and runner, when tf does an ump call a fielder safe or out lmao.
The catcher,pitcher and outfielder’s blew it together, one big happy family 💯
Yeah. I would have tossed it to first just as an insurance.
multiple times. he just should have dropped the ball so the 2nd baseman could make the play
And what's with this "he puts the ball in his back pocket"? Grabbing his souvenir? If he'd just dropped it the 2nd baseman might have been able to save it.
0:55 this is where they lost the game, after this play the entire team was shook and got into their own heads. You can see them visibly taking out their frustrations on their teammate when the game clearly isn’t over
Oh man, this is brutal. This went viral for those kids, I cant imagine what they are all feeling right now. This has got to be one of the worst possible ways to lose a baseball game.
There was a softball game where they thought they had a walk-off rbi single, but the runner never went to first and just started celebrating, causing them to lose, and this reminded me of it.
The 1908 World Series had a similar thing. The Cubs would win that year but then didn’t win again until 2016.
@@AEMoreira81 Actually, the game decided who was going to the World Series for the National league. Fred Merkel of the Giants was on first and didn't touch second on what appeared to be the game winning single. occurred, as he was celebrating the apparent win. . The ball was then thrown to second for a force-out to end the 9th inning. The game ended in a 1-1 tie and was called on account of darkness. A make-up game was played, and the Cubs won. Forever nicknamed, "Bonehead" Merkel after that.
@@shelbinamo appreciate you
Jomboy did a compilation of softball stuff in the most recent video before this that included that.
@@brianschaffer9220 No the fuck it didn't
Credit to the runner for going home to win the game.
Even if he was thrown out, they could have ruled him safe, due to interference from all the other players on the field. So, for sure, that was the right thing to do. Just keep running until the play is over.
Well, whay else are ya gonna do, right? The coaches had to have been going nuts telling them to run. And since the runners were on first and third, they'd have heard those coaches
@@my3dviews Not could have, but would have by rule.
@@tonycrabtree3416 Sure. But saying "would have" assumes that they make the correct call, which isn't always the case.
@@my3dviews Well, he made the correct call in this case.
Been waiting for this one. The poor second baseman and outfielder were the only two who know how to play baseball, and had to suffer watching their teammates lose them the game in the dumbest way possible.
On the flip side, what incredible heads up ball by the batting team. They earned it by playing through the whistle.
I just can’t fathom seeing the ump call safe and thinking that meant out
My thoughts exactly. He's attempting to tag him out... "Safe" is literally the opposite in this case
That's what I don't understand either. It looked to me like the ump was shaking his head a bit while giving that safe signal so I don't know how the catcher can interpret anything else.
FACT.
Seriously, most of these kids have probably been playing baseball since they were 5 - 6 years old. How are the safe and out signs not just imprinted on your soul by that point?
I think the catcher thought the safe meant " No you didn't drop the ball. It was a clean strike 3"
Edit: Nevermind. Watching this again I have no idea what the catcher was thinking.
I disagree with "the other team didn't really earn it". They plugged away to win a game. And props to the batter for not complaining about a called 3rd strike in the dirt he DIDNT SWING AT, kept his head and ran to first. Major props.
Younger catcher's love to set up 8-10ft behind home plate. Not saying the pitch was a strike or not, but that any off-speed pitch is liable to hit the dirt with some of these catchers, and it's awful to call those games. I don't like having them move up in the box - it feels like an unfair advantage when the other team's got their catcher up close. That said, never judge balls/strikes on where the ball is caught (or not caught, in this case - it'll almost always hit the dirt, strike or not, unless it's a fastball when the catcher doesn't pick it).
Looked to me like the catcher didn’t squeeze the pitch.
They can say they "didn't earn it" but if the other team is gonna fuck up that bad I'm going to make more fun of you for not taking it
They also learned the rules. Maybe if the other team spent less time practicing their celebration moves & more time on rules of the game, they would have won.
Errors are part of the game. If you can hang in there long enough to get some errors to take advantage of, you have earned the win.
I actually love the dropped strike 3 rule, it's a bit goofy and counter-intuitive but it's fun, especially when it creates chaos and confusion >:D
Anyway, I get the feeling that the catcher literally felt that he applied the tag and as such was unable to process the ump saying he failed to apply the tag.
And the catcher will be telling his grandkids about the referee who screwed him out of a championship because he really did tag the runner 😂😂
Damn, I remember back in the day my little league coach was a stickler about someone always calling the pitcher off no matter how close a pop up was to the mound. What a gut wrenching way to lose the ship.
Yeah pretty dumb for them to let the Pitcher field that when it shoulda been the catcher
@@victortachiquin4965 or SS, given where it ended up
Jomboy didn't include the game audio in this breakdown, but in the footage with the audio you can hear some guy frantically yelling, "two outs! there's only two outs!!" and that makes it extra sad for the losing red team.
I'm not sure but I do think the person screaming was the second base man. In my opinion, he was the only guy on the losing team that earned a win, but just wasn't given one.
Huh? I don't get it, cuz it was the bottom of the inning, so once they took the lead it was over.
i am so confused i have no idea which team is red and the other red, only difference i see is gray and white pants but i still dont know which team is which pant color
@@technomage6736 while he was screaming two outs it was a tie game and the winning run was on first. So once he rounded all four bases they won. Second base man yelling two outs was trying to find the ball to get the batter (winning run) out.
@@LemonStir i think there was a kid that came running from the outfield that knew it also.
I was really pulling for the team in the red.
I was on blacks team good job refs
@@sethsteele4386blue
Jokes on you, red team won!
😂 😂
I still don’t know who actually won 🧍🏾♂️
I’m just glad both teams had the opportunity to celebrate the win!!!
😂
Should've shown the shot of the teams lining up on the field to highfive each other for a good game played. That was brutal.
Thank you SO much for the entire inning breakdown! I don't feel nearly so bad for the losing team as it wasn't just one bone-head play....they worked HARD to throw this game away and the 'ball-in-pocket' play just the crowning achievement. Hope everyone on the field from both teams took home some basic lessons of Life from this.
The fact that the catcher stopped playing, tells me he very likely tagged him and it was missed. Still no excuse for thinking safe meant out though.
@@mikeallison5549 There’s another theory that, after (allegedly) missing the tag, the catcher was actually gesturing to 1B as if to say “1B is occupied, he’s out automatically” (incorrect b/c already 2 out).
@@bernier42 That is a good theory as well.
Well whatever the reason, I think we can all agree that it was a f@&king mess of a play.
I like that the catcher was hitting his thigh angrily when it was the pitcher that blew the last play, and then it turns out the catcher blew the ship. All around a team effort to blow it. That's real teamwork.
Winning the game when the other team implodes. Now that's baseballing!
A world exists where he can be frustrated at the pitcher's mistake AND be frustrated at his own mistake, he can even visibly show these frustrations and it makes sense and it's okay. Imagine a world like that...
@@dirtdiv3r seems like he was more frustrated at what he thought was the ump's mistake lol. at least the more deserving team ended up winning.
@@yesfinallygot1 bro’s got beef with kids
The classic championship walk-off 2-run STRIKEOUT
Yeah its weird but even if i tagged a guy on a dropped strike three I still threw to first base just in case because I don’t have time to look at the ump to see if he saw the tag.
The other team earned it in the sense that all the runners kept running. If they make the same mistake the defense makes, they end up getting called out for leaving the base path! 😂❤
Actually the runner on first did not. On regular speed video it took him 11 seconds to get to 2nd and he was a potential force out.
Someone who was at the game said the runner from first was on the way to the dugout, only went back to run when everyone screamed at him, that’s why he’s so late in the video.
@@andrecanis4894 ha ha nice!
@@andrecanis4894 By the way that makes the tragedy even more amazing, since the runners heard people screaming about what was happening, but the defense couldn't find the ball in the catcher's pocket. On the plus side, that ball is probably worth a lot of money right now!
not true, you cant be called out for leaving the base path unless there is a play being made on you. they can however be called out for abandonment.
Just when you think you’ve seen the most embarrassing way to lose a state championship, then you see the full inning!
"The other team didn't really earn it."
Honestly VERY surprised to hear that from you @jomboy. One of the most beautiful things about the game is that every out has to be played and only one team played for every out. They absolutely earned that.
Close Call Sports had the entire inning on review last week. I’d love to see a cross over vid, with Lindsey and Jomboy bringing the entertainment and rules analysis that we all desperately crave
Kudos to the second baseman for actually playing the game. Not over til' it's over.
All of us have that embarrassing moment from our youth we remember at 2am in the morning. Not all of us have that moment caught on camera and go viral. I hope this catcher can let this one go, but we all know 30 years from now at 2am, what he's going to be thinking about.
Well, if it’s any consolation we all have those moments. Hope he can shake off the dust and not let this hit him too hard
Wasn't just the catcher's fault, but I feel ya.
Yeah it'll probably eat at him for a long time. Hopefully he'll put it behind him and not think life would be different had they won state....thinking of uncle Rico as I type this XD
Don't forget the pitcher missing a routine popup, that shit hurts. That's the way she goes sometimes though, even MLB players fuck up massively.
@@Zerbey yes it was just the catcher's fault. The other fielders may not know the exchange from him and the umpire so they'll take the catcher's lead on that. Second, the catcher hid the ball in his pocket so the teammates aware of what's going on couldn't find it. Now, had he just left the ball near home plate and no one picked it up. Then yes, the argument could be made it's not entirely the catcher's. But in this case, he owns it all.
Thanks for this. There was a lot of confusing, misleading info spread immediately after it happened. Glad you took the time to sort things out as best as possible.
Thank you for explaining this. I've seen this clip a bunch of times & had no idea what actually happened.
You HAVE to throw it to first in that situation JUST to be safe. This is gut wrenching
Not even "just in case"
The umpire literally confirmed directly to the catcher that he needs to throw to first, and the catcher saw the confirmation.
During our championship game, I literally *rolled* the ball to our first basement on the last out of the game. Super-tight/groomed infield, so it was like a golf green. It was the only way to be 100% certain I wouldn't blow it - and that the first baseman wouldn't either. ALWAYS play on, until you're told to stop by the umpires.
Whichever team that brought the wrong uniforms should have lost by forfeit.
Why even bother looking at the ump? Just throw the ball whether or not you made the tag. Worst case scenario you throw it after already tagging him out. Complete brain fart by the catcher, but I guess dropped 3rd outs are a rare situation.
@@B3Band He means even if the ump had called out you still throw it to first base. And/or that you throw it to first even if you think you tagged him. It prevents any chance of confusion and reduces the chance of the runner getting to first safely if the ump says you didn't tag him.
Thanks for showing the entire last at bat. Didn't realize they were up 5-1 and lost. Wow, just adds to the drama. Definitely not the 2nd Baseman's fault
Can’t imagine how the catcher feels. Sports will always have that special place in athletes lives, and to say you have a state championship ring is the ultimate goal. These players will likely never play competitive sports like this ever again. To blow it like this, I’d need people to help talk me off the ledge.
but at least he stuck the ball in his back pocket for a trophy...
That’s catcher is going to have nightmares for the rest of his life lol
And he should. He screwed up more than once here. Three times I count.
Yeah, within the microcosm of folks who care about intramural baseball in his town, he's going to be like Bill Buckner.
I’m sure that catcher does🤦♂️
Same for that pitcher. He made up for the drop and still lost
Same thing for the pitcher. The final out was literally in his glove.
Disagree with Jomboy the winning team did earn it by keeping their head in the game, hustling, not giving up oh and not prematurely celebrating
Worst mental mistake of all time by the catcher?
Not only did he think safe meant out, but he puts the ball in his back pocket so no one can stop the madness.
He couldn’t have made a worse play if he tried 😔
Yeah actually I think the catcher's great-great grandfather was named Fred Merkle.
You don’t call “safe” as a better is leaving home, you call it at 1st base. That confused the catcher.
@@airforcex9412 On a dropped third strike the umpire DOES give a signal on a attempted tag as he is the closest.
The “Uncaught Third Strike” Mechanic is used by the Plate Umpire
If the batter-runner attempts to advance and a tag attempt misses, use the “Safe” mechanic and verbalize, “no tag”.
maybe he was certain he tagged the runner. You can't tell from this video since his body was blocking the view of his glove and the runner, but I'd but my money on the catcher actually tagged the runner before he took off
@@S0GEDKlNG Than why did he point to first like he was telling the umpire first was occupied?
In my experience, "safe" is the only call you want as a player on offense. "Out" is what you're looking for as a catcher in that situation. Those calls seem to have worked pretty well in baseball over the last...100 or so years.
The fact that both teams have almost identical jerseys just adds to the chaos
Both are the Red Raiders
There is more than one team?
@@XtreeM_FaiL That's what I was thinking. Don't they always do intra-squad scrimmages for the championship games these days?
If they’re seniors, the 2nd baseman will probably never speak to that catcher again in his life.
Most of that team shares the blame. Everyone on that field is responsible for knowing the ball's not dead.
I'd be mostly pissed at the catcher and then slightly resentful of everyone else who came in to celebrate. I'd MAYBE also wonder if I could have yelled louder, like the top of my lungs, if that would have made a difference. There's yelling, and then there's shouting with everything you got, the latter is usually sufficient to get people to look.
There's going to be a fist-fight at the ten year reunion. And the twentieth. And the twenty-fifth.
Didn't the 2nd baseman bobble a pick off throw that would have been an out?
@@Andorski kinda hard to do anything about it when the catcher pockets the damn ball
I think this demonstrates the very real phenomenon where people see what they expect to see (magicians exploit this all the time). In all likelihood, the catcher did tag the batter out. He knew he'd tagged the batter out because he felt his mitt touch. He knew the game was supposed to be over. But the ump blew the call. And because the catcher was expecting the ump to call the out, he saw the ump make a signal, and in his excitement his mind interpreted it as out because he *knew* he'd tagged the runner out.
Agreed. I think that's what happened too. The catcher still should've thrown the ball to first just to be safe, but it all just sucks
@@IcyTorment I don't mean his brain changed the physical motion of the ump's "safe" sign into the motion for an "out" sign. I mean it reconciled the sign he saw with the outcome he expected. e.g. "safe", meaning he had safely tagged out the runner. I suppose this could be called confusing the signs. I'm just explaining why his brain confused them.
This was what is confusing me… I mean he tagged the runner he’s out. It’s on video. They lost cuz the ump blew the call. Of course, it’s easy to armchair it and say he should have throw to first anyway and that’s true and is still a valuable lesson but I don’t blame the kid too much.
The ump shouldn’t have called safe at home plate. He tagged him, looked at the umpire, the umpire made a call that was not his to make. The only motion that umpire could have made was “out.”
So, the catcher confused it.
@@elise7808 Than OUT would have been the call the plate umpire had THE BEST VIEW to see if a tag was made and signaled SAFE NO TAG the catcher knows this as he repeats the SAFE signal later in the video.
After watching the full sequence of events i’m dumbfounded at how they were up 5-1 to begin with. They allowed only 1 run in 6.5 innings then immediately reverted into being a t-ball club
“He said safe” lmaoooo
I almost put my head through my desk when I saw the catcher doing that... how does he not know what that means
@@Earthboundmike Exactly. All on him.
@@Earthboundmike Right? Like I thought "Oh okay he probably just wasn't paying that much attention and thought he signalled out" BUT NO. HE FULLY ACKNOWLEDGED THE SIGN AND STILL GOT IT WRONG
@jomboymedia you say the other team didn't really earn it... I say they knew the rules and never gave up... they earned it.
They knew the rules, and so do you. A full commitment's what you're thinking of, you wouldn't get this from any other team.
@@Th3UprightMan Lol, Everybody got "Rickrolled" 😆😂🤣
The “Safe” sign is baseball is referring to the runner is “safe’. Always has been from little league to the majors.
An out sign in baseball is the umpire clenches his/her fist and signals that the runner is out.
Umpire signaled the universal “runner is safe” sign.
I've been both a catcher most of my baseball playing days. Also an umpire. From this video there is a dropped third strike. It looks like the catcher thinks the game is over and doesn't realize the play is not over. He then turns around and the umpire gives the safe/no tag signal meaning the play is still live. The arm was never raised to signal an out, instead the safe/no tag , no catch signal was given hence the play was still live. It's clear the catcher did not understand nor distinguish that the play was still going on. This is evident in the aftermath of continuing to show the safe sign. This is totally on the catcher for not understanding the umpires ruling/signal.
Seeing the dropped 3rd out by the pitcher makes this event even more unfortunate. At the perceived "end" of the game you could see that no other player on his team was more excited and relieved that his error didn't cost them the game...but it did. (With a lot of help from his catcher)
Unfortunate? The pitcher blew it. He got lit up all inning, walked a guy, can't catch an easy ball, and hit a batter. He deserved a loss.
@@cmdrfunk Then the catcher blew it worse. Even at that level the catcher is taught to throw to first anyways on a close tag just in case the tag was missed by the umpire. Even better yet would have the catcher step away from the baseline and throw without attempting a tag at all. It is the winning out, no need to get fancy.
@@cmdrfunk that pop-up was the shortstop's responsibility, not the pitcher's. That play is on the coach.
It's great that the catcher immediately checked with the umpire to confirm the (non-)out.
Scoring an infield home run on a dropped third strike has to be a sports record.
Saw in the reddit thread that the rule is to allow play to complete when it isn't malicious, even if the players come on and make contact, and decide what to do after. Kind of like how in obstruction you let the play finish before making the ruling. I think in this case, it was called perfectly right. Maybe there is something about putting the ball in his pocket, but that would be a really weak call.
Putting your ball in your pocket could be considered intentionally using your uniform to control the ball (like throwing your glove, or hat at a ball), which is 3 bases awarded. So either way, the run scores.
@@FUGP72 It's 3 on a batted ball, 2 on a thrown ball. This was a ball already possessed. I don't think it was illegal, and you wouldn't kill the play anyway--at most, you might signal delayed dead ball and see what happens. When the non-offending team scores the winning run, you let the play stand.
@@kurtissjacobs5618 Two or three bases is the same in this case, the winning run would score. Because it is always 2 bases from the one the runners are going to. Since the winning run was already on his way to 2nd by then, it is 2 additional bases, meaning home.
Not just the same color uniforms, both teams had the same name.
wild! both the Red Raiders! lol
In section 5 a disgusting amount of the teams have the same exact name.
@@rodman9121 Good thing the Red Raiders won.
@@Tr1Dylan Off the top of my head we have Keshequa and Letchworth Indians and we have Batavia, Geneseo and Mt.Morris Blue Devils and Mt.Morris and Geneseo also have the exact same logo
I was going to bring that up too
Reminds me of the infamous 1908 Cubs-Giants game which affected the NL pennant race. The game became known for “Merkle’s Boner” (as in “bonehead,” not….you know).
I think the game was tied in the bottom of the 9th, with Fred Merkle of the Giants as the base runner on first base and a teammate on third base. Batter hits to centerfield what appeared to be a walk-off GW RBI. Runner from third crossed the plate. Fans stormed the field. Pandemonium ensued. However, there was one technicality.
Back then, player clubhouse locker rooms usually were situated beyond the centerfield wall. Merkle, the runner on first, jogged halfway towards second base, watched his teammate score what he presumed to be the winning run, and then bolted for the clubhouse to escape the bedlam on the field. Thus, Merkle never actually reached second base.
Many players used to do stuff like that and cut corners when it seemed as if nobody would care. Unfortunately for Merkle, at least two people noticed.
Cubs second baseman Johnny Evers noticed. He later became famous in the “Tinker to Evers to Chance” poem. Evers ran around looking for the game ball. Not finding it, he ran up to the umpire and explained why a new ball was needed to be put in play. The ump presumably gave Evers a ball. Evers asked the ump to watch as Evers then stepped on second base with the ball. The ump called out the absent Merkle on a fielder’s choice and ruled the game as suspended due to the mob scene on the field.
Months later, the Cubs won the completion of that suspended game and, ultimately, the pennant over the Giants by just that one game.
Umpires were right to not call time. The defensive players running on field did not interfere with the play. Much like when a team comes out of dugout after a home run. The play is still active until the batter touches home plate or leaves the baseline.
Brutal. Reminds me of that clip from a few years ago where a high school (I think?) football championship game was decided on the last play of the game. The team trailing was attempting a field goal and inexplicably, the defending team put 2 players very deep. The kick was short, one kid caught the ball and started running up field to celebrate and tossed the ball to the ground. The other team picked it up and ran it in for a TD.
There was a bonehead one in a Washington State Playoff game about a decade ago. They ran time out up by something like 4 or 5 and kneeled in the endzone after the clock hit 0 and tossed the ball down. Problem is you can't give yourself up in the endzone and have to be touched down. So a defender picked the ball up for the game winning TD.
because I apparently care too much I looked it up. Elma vs Lynden Christian, November 30th 2002.
@@jamesgaston2745 Ouch
We need a link to that one!
I’m from Rochester and I love that this made national news
Section V hasn’t got this much coverage since J-Mac
I’m from a town 5 mins from Hornell, was amazed to see how viral this got
Same. Glad to see the Section V representation
I went to Pal Mac and still live close. This video is awesome.
I'm from Utica and I've never heard anyone use the phrase Steamed Hams
That is super tough. The build up, the momentum, putting the pressure on. Pitcher starts to lose control a little, and drops the last out. Then the poor catcher has a brain fart at the worst moment. Heart breaker for sure.
No, the "safe" signal means no out has been recorded.
Reminds me of Nigel Mansell celebrating his win at the Montreal GP on his last lap, but he hit his ignition switch with his arm movements. F1 cars can't be restarted from the cockpit so he stopped on track and was classified one lap down.
I just looked that one up 😆
That catcher won't even be able to use pockets anymore without feeling a twinge.
That is an evil thought.
love the cal stanford reference
This might be the only time in history that a game ending strike out turned into a game winning inside the park home run. RIP the catcher's confidence.
Was not a home run the batter did not score or did he need to.
You need to do a breakdown on the 14 inning Tennessee vs Clemson last night.
Yes! I don't watch college baseball so I didn't know anything about these teams, but was at a local Chili's having dinner and this game was on and I just started glancing at it. Damn thing had me in the edge of my seat all night lol
Catcher should have tagged him.. screamed that he got him! .. while he also throws to first for insurance!
Yep. This is just what you should be doing instinctively at every level
Not even insurance. The umpire literally told him that the tag didn't count. So there is no "just in case", just throw the ball the first!
This camera had a better view than the ump and it looks like he tagged him. Should have thrown to first anyway though.
@Josh Mann that's my fault. It looks like he does tag him. But yes he still shoulda paid attention to the safe sign and known to throw to firsr.
I waited for JB to release this before watching.
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Putting the ball in his pocket was the icing on the cake
Bought shady rays a while back and they feel like I donated my head to a vice grip
Great breakdown Jimmy. That pitcher and the catcher are going to have a long, hard summer thinking back at what could've been.
Thank you for this. I don’t know much about baseball and this helped a lot lol
For that pop up, shortstop and second baseman should have been running in. It’s so much easier for them to catch it.
This really boiled down to discipline, and the one teams lack of it caused them to miss multiple opportunities to close out the game, while the other teams discipline & wherewithal allowed them to execute for the victory…..At the end of the day, I hope the kid’s of the losing team learns from their errors, and realize, it’s only a game, and life is surely bigger than baseball, or that one play….👌🏾👍🏾
This reminds me of Chris Webber beating Kenny Smith in a race. "You gotta run through the tape."
The catcher surely made the tag, otherwise he would have tossed to first instead of turned to the ump. I think the ump blew the call, then it all fell apart.
@@carlodave9 The catcher may have tried to tag him, but how do you watch a kid not understand what safe means and conclude "Yeah, definitely the ump's fault"
What I learned as a catcher from dropped third strikes it’s kind of difficult to make a tag on a runner running away from you and that makes it a difficult call for the ump also so what that catcher should’ve done in a game winning play is push the runner about as hard as you can
Or just throw to first just to be sure
Or he could have just known the difference between an out and safe call it this situation lol
@@svk_5104 no that’d make too much sense
If major league players are too dumb to throw to first like the Pittsburgh Pirates there's no hope for a high school kid to be smart enough
Yes, if you can tag him hard without falling--because you don't want to swing and miss, fall down, and be unable to throw it to first. But you're right, avoid the throw if possible, but make the tag clearly visible by changing the runner's direction.
Regardless of the call, I've never seen a player choose to put the ball in his pocket upon thinking the game is over.
This is the most baseball thing I’ve seen since that last Jonboy video. I know nothing about baseball and this just cements that point
Yeah, I feel bad for the catcher's mistake, but why was it that only the 2nd basemen noticed? What about the other players? The coaches?
That was a bigger loss than just one player's mistake tho...
Didn't matter how many saw it. The catcher made the mistake, and then put the ball in his pocket, and hugged and rolled on the ground while the game slipped away.
@@bauerj3398 And here was me thinking baseball was a team sport. Oh well. ;-)
The outfielders were running in, but they're dozens of yards away from being able to do anything.
The coaches cant do the playing for the kids or they'd get DQ'd- that's pretty universal. The pitcher shouldve watched the ump, as he has as good of a sight to the play as anyone. Pitcher is just as much to blame as catcher, sheesh they deserve each other.
@@desiv1170 Shure, it's a team sport, with individual players sometimes making great plays, and sometimes making mistakes.
@@johnpalmer3848 And no question that he made a mistake there... Just that like the 2nd baseman, some of the other players and coaches probably should have been aware too.
Pitchers shouldn't catch pop-ups, especially one that high. 3B or 1B should have come in. And they did earn it, knowing the rules and paying attention is part of the game.
There are three things that always exist: Death, taxes, and that a baseball game that ends with a walk off strikeout is not an earned win. Batter struck out and won. He didn't get a hit, he didn't walk, and he didn't get hit by a pitch. The game tying and winning runs went down as UNEARNED! By rule, it cannot be an earned win.
And the catcher totally messed up, but it is only a game. Now if this happened at the MLB level, then yes, that catcher would be hated forever.
@@LemonStirBut it still counts as a win. Kind of like NASCAR when the leading driver blows a tire because they ran over debris the officials did not see.
oldatargiamer: regarding the pop-ups, this is high school baseball. Often times, the best fielder is the pitcher. PItchers often split time at SS, so when it comes to a pop-up, the pitcher may be the surest out, as long as they get off the mound clean.
@@LemonStir What are you talking about? First of all, whether the run is earned or unearned depends on whether the ruling is wild pitch or passed ball. In this instance, with the ball in the dirt, it likely would have been charged as a wild pitch, in which case, the runs scored are earned. Besides which, there is a world of difference between an earned run, and an 'earned' win or loss. Pitchers, by rule, can get a loss or a win regardless of whether the runs scored are earned or unearned. Put it this way: pitcher comes in with a one run lead in the bottom of the ninth. The other team scores 2 runs on errors. Pitcher still gets the loss, though not any earned runs scored against him.
To be fair to the catcher, it did appear that he tagged the runner and I can't imagine he would celebrate if he wasn't sure that he tagged them.
I always thought the “not moving out of the way” rule was dumb. It’s the pitcher’s job to throw it in the strike zone, not the batter’s job to play dodgeball.
Hard to believe this was a championship game with all the mistakes this team made.
They thought they were going to just cruise to the win and when that didn’t happen their brains just stopped working. Wheels just completely fell off under the pressure.
That second baseman was going through hell.
Don’t understand how the catcher didn’t see the umpire say no he didn’t tag the batter. Even if that’s the wrong call in the moment you still should’ve thrown to first. Props to the Pal-Mac for taking advantage of Hornell’s stupidity
Saw this a few days ago and was waiting for JB to cover it. He did not disappoint.
This is even more painful now for Hornell. First, an error on a pop-up that prolongs the game, and then a brain lapse by the catcher. The second baseman is the only one who realizes the ball is live.
This is why more kids need to spend their time learning the rules of their sport rather than learning how to emulate their favorite players, or coming up with stupid celebrations, or anything but the actual game. Not sure why the catcher thought a safe sign from the home plate ump was a good thing for him. Usually that means you didn't tag the runner. Coaches didn't do much better, also. They should have been yelling at the catcher to throw to first.
But looking cool is far more important than having high sports iq