NJ Team Loses State Playoff Game as Runner Fails to Touch Home During HR for Final Out of the Game
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- New Jersey's Northern Highlands lost its state playoff game when Mount Olive appealed to the umpire that a runner missed home plate to negate three runs...for the final out of the game. How did one runner missing home cost his team three runs, and, the game? Read on. Article: www.closecalls...
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In every level of baseball, runners are required to touch each base in order when advancing or retreating. That's kind of fundamental to a game called BASE ball. When a runner misses a base, the defensive team has the option to appeal the baserunning infraction. When that runner is the preceding (lead) runner and there are already two outs, that third out on appeal nullifies any trailing/following runner who may have potentially "scored" thus wiping all following runs off the board.
Although OBR (pro) and NCAA (college) require appeals be made during live ball action, NFHS (high school) allows verbal appeals during the dead ball period following the play in question. All levels require appeals occur prior to the next pitch, play, or attempted play.
Also, this might sound simple but, a runner can avoid this call by simply touching each base while celebrating a home run.
Some people think that video is only used to criticize officials. This is an example where video helps support the decision.
Coach in an interview afterward: "I just wish the actions of the players determined the outcome on the field, and not the umpire call,” Northern Highlands coach Paul Albarella.
DUH. That's literally what happened - the action of YOUR PLAYER determined the outcome ON THE FIELD.
The fact that both the ump and the catcher who were standing there watching the plate both thought he missed it and the coach who couldn't see the play said he did touch it, I'm inclined to go with the runner not touching the plate.
@@zachansen8293
The coach is just pissed about the outcome and he doesn't want to call out the player.
Hate that phrase. If that's true, let's just get rid of all umps and refs.
@@Rowgue51 The coaches are responsible too. As is most of the other players. Instead of uncontrollably celebrating like they never hit been in a walk-off situation, be a professional. Encourage and help each other make sure it gets done right. It's pretty much your job as a coach.
I only take issue with the pitchers reaction. Yeah, you won, by luck. You gave up the tying HR. Flexing at the opponent when you choked is a bad look.
It's like dropping the football one yard short of the goal line....how does it keep happening!
Gotta look cool celebrating, I guess.
bad coaching
Ask Desean Jackson. Dude did it twice. Selfish
It's called baseball. That means you've gotta touch all the bases. -- Lindsay
Greater words of wisdom have never been spoken.
There is no excuse on a homerun to miss a base, if you're celebrating make sure you jump onto the base. This one hurts because it was the lead runner who screwed the batter out of a game changing play.
In fairness, they needed all 3 of those runs. Doesn't matter if it was first or last runner, any of the three missing would have had the same effect (game over,) albeit with a 3-1 or 3-2 score instead.
As an umpire for 10u-15u, I see this happen on occasion. I've never understood why teams don't have a coach in charge of watching players touch home, especially in tournaments. Had a 12aaa player miss touching home plate in a tournament semi-final. Would have been tieing run, but missed. Through comes in to catcher 2 seconds after kid missed. Catcher steps on home, I call the out, game over.
Obviously protested by losing team, but when plate umpire I ALWAYS make sure runners touch home
If time permits can you advise. So the first runner missed HP and the 2nd and 3rd runners touched. Does the first runner then have no option to go back and touch HP? I'm assuming since other runners have scored he is out no matter and cannot go back to touch HP.
@@glennhenson6495 your assumption is correct. Once the lead runner misses home, no one else can "score". Had the team NOT appealed and instead thrown a pitch, they would have lost their right to appeal the play, and we now have a 3-3 ball game.
When I played softball, when I got to home, I usually did what the second runner did, and jump with both feet trying to hit the center of the plate. No excuse when you have time because of a home run.
Exactly, no reason to leave even a shred of doubt as to whether or not you touched that base when you have all the time in the world.
I tell players "don't make the umpire guess. TOUCH THE PLATE!"
I tell coaches "why are you yelling at me? Yell at the kid who missed home!"
If you don’t see the player miss the plate, he touched it!
Yeah, if you miss a base, you 100% get what you deserve if appealed out
@@FoxtasticGamingHe was watching no guessing involved.
@@getreal1175He DID see it
Still waiting for the first coach who has an appeal called out for his runner failing to touch the plate to yell at or even just ask his runner, “Why did you not touch the plate after hitting the ball over the fence?” instead of yelling at the umpire…the notion that the umpire missed this so shouldn’t be calling the runner out and/or how can they make that call in that situation are baseless. What exactly are you yelling at the umpire about?
except for "you hit the ball and you run" the next thing kids probably know about baseball is "the goal is to touch home plate (and/or the bases)" and it's so weird to me that kids or anyone who has been playing organized baseball for multiple years still misses it.
To me that's why it's not weird. Anything you do so often that it becomes routine you are bound to mess up at least once. The weird thing is the runner does not immediately going back to touch. Normally you notice when you fuck up the routine
This happens way more than people notice. I've had 2 missed plates by R3s celebrating grand slams in the past year. One LL and one in NFHS, both with 2 outs. Neither team appealed and it was the difference in both games.
I cannot tell you how many times I've seen a runner - from 10u up to college players - miss a base and no one notices!! It happens much more often than getting an appeal that results in an out.
Way to go for the Mount Olive catcher to recognize the lead baserunner didn't touch home plate. 😁👍🏾
As for said lead baserunner, let that be a lesson to your and your teammates...CELEBRATE *AFTER* YOU TOUCH HOME PLATE!!!! 😠🤦🏾♂️ I swear, that's akin to a footballer thinking he's scored a touchdown but didn't take the ball across the plane of the goal line for it to count!! TOUCH EVERY BASE, EVERY TIME!!!!
I literally had this happen to me last month in a little league 12u game in the 2nd inning. Home team batter had a 2 rbi double and 1st runner ran over the plate. The catcher asked for time and asked for the ball from the pitcher and touched the plate and i called him out.
Umpires will typically do their job and look at the plate/base to see if they touch it. If they don't we don't say anything. If anyone see it and ask for an appeal, they gonna win everytime. Side note home team lost the game by 1 run that day go figure.
I feel so bad for the kid that missed the plate. He's going to have nightmares about this forever. Hopefully, it's a good learning moment for him an it leads him to bigger and better things because that's tough. That being said, that's the game and thems the rules.
The New York Post article headline I read before watching this said "...ends NJ high school baseball game in controversy". This is an example of the media not helping, this wasn't controversial at all. There is very little doubt that the right call was made, how is there any controversy over what happened, what was called and how it was handled. I guess "NJ umps correctly adhere to rules as game ends on player mistake" isn't as clickable.
It's also another case of getting mad at an umpire/official for doing the correct thing and not getting upset at your own player for doing the wrong thing.
The controversy is if the player said he did touch. This one is hard as he skips over it, so chance of a shoelace or spike catching a corner of plate is less. I have witnessed umps mess up being a batcatcher both ways.
Love this channel. Always some new rule wrinkle to learn.
Hardly a new rule.
Umpire kinda tipped his hand when he looked at catcher immediately when runner missed.
It's not our job to hide the runner's mistake.
@@Renegade605 It's not our job to birddog a miss either. But I suspect the catcher said he missed to the ump which is why the ump turned to hear him. That would have been a legal dead ball appeal to rule on at that point. While they tried to do a live ball appeal the ump never pointed the ball live which might be a local habit of not doing. But since NFHS has dead ball appeals it doesn't matter.
@@jamesmurray3948PU could have put the ball back in play, the camera cut just doesn't give us any context either way.
@@KWally True
@@jamesmurray3948 The rule shown at 2:51 suggests that all runners have to have gotten back to home before you can appeal.
I'm just curious about one thing. Did anybody noticed that the umpire turned around and said something to the catcher as soon as that runner missed home plate? That's what it appeared to me.
The catcher asked him if tbe player missed.
The only thing I am concerned about is that the umpire immediately turned his head toward the defensive team's dugout as soon as he saw the player miss home plate. Could have given them a clue by accident.
Yeah I noticed that right away and I definitely think it signaled the missed touch to the catcher. I'm not sure what would be the right way of dealing with that if as an ump you realize what you just did.
@hachadorada The catcher caught it and asked the umpire he could not appeal yet though.
did the hp umpire turn and say something to the catcher right after the runner missed home plate?
Exactly what I thought. The catcher was not looking and the umpire turned and said something to him.
@johnweir5293 Yes he was he ASKED about the miss but had to wait to appeal it
Just a process question -- do you have to specify which runner you are appealing? Would it be a proper mechanic for the umpire to ask to specify, or is the act in itself enough that it questions any/all?
I love the "this is BASEball, touch the bases" comment!
So if the bases we loaded and the batter failed to touch home plate, the score would be 3-3 mid 7th (assuming everything else is the same), right?
I believe so. I didn't pause to read, but I'm pretty sure the rule flashed on the screen said that if it's the third out, then any FOLLOWING runner is not counted.
@@GregMcNeish Yeah it's runs that score following the third out that don't count generally. There are some exceptions as well but I don't remember them all (like involving force plays or whatever I think)
Yes. If it's the 3rd out, no *following* runners can score. And of course, if it's also a force out, no one can score, but an appeal out on the batter-runner at home is not a force out.
In my playing days I stepped on the middle of the plate every time
Unforgivable. I use my finger to point quickly that the plate has been touched. Home teams know to watch me if i do nothing they missed the base. With like 6 kids waiting nobody on the team was heads up....
You need to stop doing that. That is not an umpire mechanic - you made that up. And by doing so, you're telling the defense to appeal, giving them an advantage - which you just admitted! That is NOT our job. Just watch, make the mental note which runner missed, then rule on appeal. The defense has to do their job here too, which is watching the runners touch all bases.
Lindsay, sorry if you explained this during the video and I missed it, but say the inning/game wouldn't have been over after the appeal. Are the second and third runners also out? Do their runs count? Do they get placed back on base or just disappear into the ether? How would it be scored?
There were two outs at the time of the pitch hit over the fence.
@@DesirsarI know, that's why I asked what would have happened if there were less than two outs.
@@stress_headache yes, the other runs wouldve counted(2 total). The first runner would be out(1st or 2nd out) and then the rest of the runs would count. Good question!
@@Desirsarreading is hard
@@HipsterDoofus100 Yes, that's why people are asking questions covered by the rulebook in (relatively) plain English.
There were already two outs so the game would have been over regardless of which runner missed home. But if there had been no outs prior to that at bat, what would have happened if the lead runner missed home? Because by rule if a runner passes the runner ahead of him he's supposed to be ruled out, and a trailing runner that touches a base prior to the lead runner having touched it is considered to have passed the lead runner. So unless there is a specific rule that addresses that specific situation then the rules would suggest that would have been a game ending triple play if there had been no outs. No?
No, two runs wouod score. When he passes home, he is presumed to have touched it. By rule, he has scored. Tye appeal kinda changes that, of course, but you can't get passing or abandonment on a runner who has scored, even if they are later called out on appeal.
@@garrettwebster201
Cite the rule.
@Rowgue51 There are a couple of places in the rules, though I think this is more fully fleshed out in the MLB and MiLB umpire manuals. The NCAA rule book is clearer about it (even using a diagram). But here's one example. 6.01(C) comment "If the batter-
runner missed first base, or a runner misses his next base, he
shall be considered as having reached the base".
@@garrettwebster201
That rule is about catcher's interference and the comment cited is specifically addressing what can occur after catcher's interference has been called. It has no relevance to a baserunner missing a base outside the context of a catcher's interference call having been made.
@@Rowgue51 The first runner missed the plate but is assumed to having touched it so he is no longer a runner. There is no rule that says "a trailing runner that touches a base prior to the lead runner having touched it is considered to have passed the lead runner."
I wonder if the Ump knew about the live appeal difference, it seems like he looks back at the catcher, that could be an appeal. That note at the end about appeals is another example of a stupid difference between rulesets for no reason.
since it was a home run you can't do a live ball appeal, the ball is gone. The 1st runner has till the next runner touches home to come back and touch home plate.
having to appeal this at all is dumb. The ump knows the player didn't touch the base and the players after did. it should just be everyone out without any appeals.
@@zachansen8293What if all three missed the plate? Or if other bases were missed? It is up to the defense to decide which runner they want out. This one was obvious, but there are times where you would want an outcome that isn’t as obvious.
@@zachansen8293 Why would you want to give umpires even more control of the game and ability to make it about themselves than they already have? Teach your kids to touch the plate and keep an eye on the plate, just in case. Letting the ump do all of it without appeal would just make it seem rigged if he catches one team but somehow misses the other.
The runner clearly didn’t touch home plate. It was the correct call.
Man I love you, Lin! This is great! 🤣👌
Why did umpire turn to catcher after runner crossed plate???
Guessing the catcher said something to him. e.g. "you see that?" Impossible to tell without an alternate camera angle though.
@@bazilcaygill Maybe ump said something to catcher.
How do runners keep missing the plate! I had that happen to me in a game 2 times this year and the Coach wasn't upset with the call as he was with the players for celebrating early!
The one thing I don't like about this is the umpire turning and looking either towards the bench or the catcher after the first runner misses home. You know it happened, but I don't feel like you have to tip it off. Unless he's looking for a live ball appeal I guess.
He got ahead of himself. Unfortunate, and he shouldn't have, but it happened
Good call
From Tucson , u of a wildcat grad. Played 4 yrs, 2 college World Series champs. If we didn’t win it, then asu did however , In the yrs against Barry the baby bonds, I myself as most my team tossed him out from the out field and he was fast, and he stolen bases , my biggest flaw was I was nt a good baserunner at first like this player who was called out on the vid, but , I threw him out at the plate from right field 4 times as he tried going for in the park home runs in the 4 yrs I played against him, coach kindell moved me from left to right field just for that purpose, bonds never in 4 yrs threw nor caught a fly his direction of mine cause I never hit to him, most my homers were within 10ft of the left field foul line in field of play, but hit over 500 foul balls out the park . I could only keep 128 inside the park.more than bonds could dream of, Terry francona a class act, was a team mate my senior yr , we won the champ, he was most valuable player.. coach kindell tried to get ncaa attention on bonds cause we all has friends at Grand Canyon college and asu and the rumors was he was stacking with ephedra, aspirin, enough caffeine to kill a horse, and the drugs… corked his bat, his teammates hated his guts, but us wild catters hardly knew who Barry the baby was.. aloof, unfriendly, ….. I never pursued a career in mlb , I graduated at the age of 21, and… I …….. family.. working the mines…. Loner … oh well.. I was extremely envious of Barry …then came mark Mac Aguirre. Thou he hit a nation leading home run count in college , he and Bo Jackson are the only players in college history to hit home runs over 500 feet. San Diego kicked are ass after mark first inning home run . Out side the park of bear down field, there is a tree left of straight center field … while the game going, some measured about where that ball hit cause they couldn’t find, the tree is exactly 479 ft from homeplate, the ball was estimated to w0 to 40 feet beyond that tree.. thou mark cheated too, he was a class act, we all loved mark.. … anyway thanks folls
Most of this epidemic of missing home is the "It's all good clean fun" mantra of TV networks, and now, even MLB themselves showcasing bat flips and other unsportsmanlike bullshit. This one wasn't horrible showboating like I've seen on most of the missed home plate plays, but there was still some early celebration that could have and should have waited.
So sad that any time people speak out about showcasing the showboating, they are actually accused of racism, with idiots like Stephen A. Smith saying "You don't want he game played the right way. You want it played he "white" way." He is basically proving Billy Hoyle in White Men Can't Jump right. He is basically admitting that in his opinion, black players would rather look good and lose than win the game. So therefore, they can't possibly stop themselves from showboating and taunting, etc. Bat flips. Posing at home plate on home runs that turn out to be just short off the wall and getting thrown out at second when it should have been a stand up double or even a triple. No..black or white, I'm pretty sure that is the WRONG way.
Im curious as to what would happen had there been another runner on and that been the home team instead? That would have made it a walk off home run and I've never seen an appeal on a game ender. How do you do that since its essentially the end of play?
On a walk off play, umpires don't run off the field nor do we hang around unnecessarily. We gather, then leave. Defense is allowed to appeal until the umpires have left the confines of the field, i.e. walking out of the gate. Once that happens, no appeal allowed
@1:04 when the first runner missed the plate the umpire said something to the catcher. Hopefully he didn't tell the catcher the runner didn't touch the plate. that's a no no
When I was younger I used to think this was weird. It's a home run so touching the bases felt ceremonial at best. Now, every time I see it, I can't help but wonder, how hard is it to make sure you touch the base? All around very silly mistakes.
Why can't any of you slow it down so we can see that clearly?
Curious...if this were a walk-off home run, how do you appeal (especially in the levels that require live ball appeals)?
Catcher asks for a ball. Steps on home plate. I pray #1 the umpire saw the missed plate, and #2 that umpire has fast feet to carry them out of the stadium.
No replay available hate to miss even a cm touching corner.
With all the kids there I'm surprised none of them told him to touch the plate. They can't DRAG HIM over there, but they can tell him....
If there is a mound visit by the defensive team, then an appeal, in HS doesnt the mound visit take away the right to appeal?
That is a defensive action.
@@bowdocarat no that's not a play
Only problem with all of this is that he clearly touched home and there are screenshots of it. Hilarious to be that sassy and crush someone for missing home plate when they didn’t even miss it.
He didn’t he hopped over it.
People don't realize how many times runners miss home plate! I've seen many many kids walk past home and never get appealed and I just turn around and pretend I saw nothing, because you can't show or tell to give a team an advantage
genuine question: if they didn’t “appeal” and retired the next batter, is the game over? guess I don’t even understand what’s appealed, umpire shouldn’t count the run of a baserunner who leaves the field of play without touching home plate, why isn’t he out at that point?
Runners are assumed to have touched a base they pass until there is an appeal. So, by passing the plate, he legally scored. But, once the appeal was made, the run was taken off the board, and the runner declared out. Had there been no appeal, he would, by rule, have scored.
dumb rule that outside the park home runs require touching the bases but so easy to follow the rule that no pity here.
But what I don't get is why it requires an appeal. The ump should just call the runner out for abandoning the bases and the other runners out for passing the runner that abandoned. The whole "the ump knows but can't say" thing is dumb.
Because all base touches are assumed, unless appealed.
No clue why the manager is arguing. Umpire was in perfect position and doing his job. Right call. Great job by the catcher! He did his job after a difficult situation! He needs to get all the credit!
Maybe he influenced appeal by tipping it off.
The coaches fault for not drumming this basic rule into the players. I mean, how does one go through practices without the whole team running all the bases?
Ump clearly told catcher the runner didnt touch home....thats not allowed...
Nah an umpire would not provide a tip or advice to a player
Harsh, unfortunate mistake for that kid. He's going to be thinking about that for a long time.
I would have been glad to see the play occur, beginning to end once, maybe twice, before chopping it up and showing bits and pieces of it. Many content creators seem to go crazy with editing and only show the entire play towards the end, so eager are they to start explaining the play without showing the play. Oof. 🤨
Awesome! Thanks for posting lol!
Wow….how stupid.
It is really simple. Touch home plate and then celebrate.
did he have to verbaly say which runner? Pitcher could have balked on this...a lot of things can happen
I think he probably should have required them to specify, but it's possible the catcher had already told him on who they would be making the appeal.
So what does the batter get credited with?
Single
This is a bit of sweet revenge for a Morris County team (MO) beating a Bergen County team (NH). Last year this same HS Mount Olive, sent their football tram to play Ramapo in the State tournament and basically lost because of the rigged officiating.
Good on you MO! 💯
My favorite thing in all of life. I could watch selfish humans celebrate too early all day long. Thank you to that lead runner. The total lack of any awareness is just special!
I still feel like the Ump should just be able to call the runner out when they miss a base. Otherwise you could potentially shortcut going from second to home, missing third base, and get away with it. If the runner misses the base, they should just be called out once they walk away
You *CAN* shortcut from 2B to home in baseball. If the defense fails to appeal, it counts. Baseball is a game of responsibility: the defense is responsible for making sure the offense completes their base running responsibilities.
@@teebob21 I completely hate that. In no other sport does the defending team have to force the Umps to actually enforce the rules. And with that, you would get Scenarios where you could have runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out. The runners leave early, batter lines/pops out, and because the guy from 3rd crossed the plate before they got the guy from 2nd out despite neither of them tagging up, that run would count unless the defense decided to perform an appeal play to get the 4th out of the inning. Baseball is such a weird sport
@@Christoph5782 Cricket requires all outs to be appealed, or they don't count.
That used to be the rule 25-30 years ago but it changed, rightfully so. Because the simple reality is a base runner is allowed to correct their mistake, provided it's within the time frame allowed. Example - if you miss 3rd base, and are 30 feet towards home & finally hear your 3B coach yelling to you to get back, you can go back & touch 3B. However if a succeeding runner has already touched 3B, then the runner who missed cannot go back, UNLESS -- the succeeding runner needs to go back, touch 3B, step towards 2B to allow the 1st runner to touch 3B, then they all continue. UNLESS -- the 1st runner did not touch home plate! Confusing, I know!
Also to your point, the runner won't get away with it if the defense appeals. Take this same video, and the runner missed 3B instead of home. The appeal would have been to 3B instead of home plate, the out is called, same result - no runs. This forces the defense to pay attention. On this play, the fielders have nothing to do EXCEPT watch the runners touch their bases!!
In the case of home plate, once a succeeding runner has touched home plate, the preceding runner who missed it has no option - he's either safe or if appealed, out. Also, if a runner misses 3B then touches home, he cannot go back to touch 3B. Home plate is like a steel door that shuts & doesn't allow a runner to go backwards. I had a play in a 11u Perfect Game tournament where the runner on 3B did not tag on a ball that was caught - pitcher was in the windup so he got a huge lead & ran when the ball was hit. He scored. He then ran back to 3B, beat the throw, the 3rd baseman touched 3B and my call was "He's out & I'll explain why" as I pointed to the coach. It ended the inning. Coach totally understood & was fine with it.
can the lead runner go back and touch home plate if he realizes that he missed it?
At what point can he not?
Usually in dugout.
When the kid behind him touched home plate he was out
@@bnegs521 Is that because technically the runners past each other? Why would that need to be appealed? Shouldn't a situation like that be an automatic call for the ump?
@tchevrier That's a good point by you and others said the same. When the second runner touched the plate the first player would have been out automatically and since it was the third out of the inning the other 2 runners would not have counted regardless of any appeal.
This is the baseball equivalent to the football players who drop the ball at the goal line. Just a brain cramp, plain and simple while trying to show off.
Can I get a link to the video?
It's on our Discord!
@@CloseCallSportsNevermind I was able to find the whole game on RUclips.
Was the appeal done correctly? Ball must be live with the batter in the box.
The batter does not have to be in the box for the umpire to put the ball into play.
@@teebob21 Rule #
Even if it was a piece of cardboard or a rock, I never failed to touch every base.
It’s called celebrating before you win! Rather than do his job, he dances and celebrates and doesn’t pay attention! That’s a career ending foolishness.
If you can't step on a base with no one playing defense you don't deserve a win. How little focus could you possibly have?
Look, even Vulcans make this mistake, it’s clearly not that uncommon…
Good thing they didn't try Worf's appeal plan.
Hi Lindsey like always great videos and explanation of the rules, did you notice the home umpire turning his head and saying something to the catcher….. when the runner passed and missed the home plate the catcher wasn’t looking only the umpire….. the HP umpire told the catcher
you think he couldve said something that fast? He looked for maybe a third of a second... and it doesn't even look like he's looking at the catcher, I see him look into the dugout. Still shouldn't do it but he got a little ahead of himself. He tipped them off with his head movement unintentionally. WAY different than intentionally telling the defensive team as you are accusing him of doing
Looked to me like the catcher said something which then caused the ump to turn to him and acknowledge.
Someone ere..
Someone is going to be running laps at training!
Meh
That ump turned and told the catcher the runner missed home.
Actually the ump turned and told the catcher that he missed home cooking. My lip reading is better than that of "Jomboy" .
Why would you celebrate like that though? Terrible
Wow! Another game and blowing a run missing the plate by celebrating too much.
Easy call. Why do players have to showboat?
Nice play catcher.
You should celebrate when you win the game not before. Act like you've been there before.
To much skipping, jumping, dancing and all the other crap these players are into. Just touch the bases, how hard is that.
This was a great play by the catcher, there are many time officials have the God complex in high school games and take the game away from the kids!
Celebrating getting the other team out on a technicality is so weak lmao
They're celebrating winning the game, because a win is a win.
If you hit it over the wall you scored the allotted amount of runs . The batter and runners should be allowed to walk back to the dugout if they want to.
this aint slowpitch softball.............but I realize its hard to touch homeplate when youre dancing like a gangsta
That' sounds like whiffle ball
Cool. Do the batter and runners get to drink a beer at each base as well?
Should the batter and runners be allowed to sashay back to the dugout ? (I mean, as long as we are changing the rules.)
It would help speed up the game, MLBs biggest concern
The ball went over the fence. The 3 runs should count. That ump is a joke
So why have rules? I think you’re confusing baseball with slow pitch softball.
And people complain that this shouldn't be the rules. Are people stupid? Come on guys.
Another video shows the other umpires NOT helping out the plate unp with the coach. Id block those 2 guys FOREVER!!!
Stupid. The whole point of a home run is that the ball is totally out of play. It should be impossible for the defensive team to force or tag out any runner because they no longer have a ball to play with. The appeal play is like “Hey ump. Give us a new ball so we can tag out a player who is already in the dugout, thanks”
Baseball rules are Corny he hit it over the fence and no runs counts thid is why baseball is boring!
It’s actually kind of unfair that they opposing team needs to make an appeal. Once you miss a base or home and walk off you should be out. The ump has the info they should make the call.
i disagree. Assuming you mean defensive team not "opposing team" as they are opposing each other, I think it would be unfair to the offensive team if the ump called them out for something the defensive team missed. A runner is assumed to have touched a missed base unless appealed by the defensive team
@@tw1nn319 yes I meant defensive team. There are all kinds of calls against the offence that the umps make without the defensive team appealing. I see walking off without touching home in the same light as giving yourself up, which the umps call and running to far out of the base path, also which the umps call.
@@tw1nn319 But you don't need an appeal on passing the runner, which effectively, the trailing runners did.
@@equinoxproject2284 abandonment and out of the base path cant be appealed after the fact so they are called out immediately. I get your point, it just doesn't make any sense for missing a base to be an automatic out. You would get much weirder outs this way. What about leaving early on a tag up? what about past/prior when running the bases in reverse order. Things can and will get weird under this proposed idea.
This is why we need to replace umpires with robots. Replace the players too
Robot baseball........nice
Re-read his post…
Nintendo did that.
2 problems, a woman analist, and this is as much as the benches fault for running out onto the field distracting the adolescent runner,……. Extra bonus… ump should of belted the coach for not coach and teaching his young players the rules, and arguing with angel Hernandez lmap
Totally disagree with your take, everything is not black and white in sports. Your analysis should be about the spirit of the rules and not some sort of instruction manual that can’t he deviated from under any circumstances. If he didn’t touch the plate on a single, double etc. Then sure, call him out. It was a home run and the kid was pumped up celebrating. I can’t believe you did a video defending this abhorrent decision placed upon a 16 year old playing high school athletics.
I guess we as umpires should ask each coach at the plate meeting which rule they don’t want us to enforce tonight
wow, I was wondering if someone from the "give them all trophies" camp was going to chirp in.
Found the 🤡
It's not a take you can agree or disagree with and this situation is black and white. Touch the bases or you're out.
Did you just demonstrably respond with your own opinion on what is a written-in-stone rule? There are no ifs/ands/buts to this, yes it sucks for the kid who jumped over the plate and it sucks that he robbed his teammate of the glory of the home run, but the emotional appeal just does not apply here. Never will. I think the fact you think this (even when appealed by the other team, who still had their heads in the game after just about losing it) is something that should have been glossed over is disgraceful. Essentially, you would have the umpire telling the other team "hey, about your appeal, I feel emotionally that it is better "for the game" to say he touched home base (even though I know he didn't), so appeal denied!" Seriously, if you were one of the parents of the team that missed the base you need to take this up with the coach, as it is entirely the lack of discipline which is supposed to be instilled by the coach that caused this. Yes, it sucks, but there is literally no emotional or intellectual argument to be made here at all to allow the runs to score when you don’t touch the one thing that makes a score count.
Typical coach blaming everyone but his own player for not knowing how to play baseball
You just destroyed your future baseball career