Except for the one time he didn't. He did let Quark get away with smuggling one thing, because Quark told him to make his move on Kira, which led to them falling in love. So he let Quark have that one, but just that one.
He does, but the school on the station did get bombed under his watch. And a Romulan Senator's shuttle got rigged to explode at the station during the war. Other than that though...
Obstruction is when the fielder is illegally in the way or the runner. Interference is several different things, but maybe most pertinently when the runner hinders the fielder when playing a batted ball. Of course, you penalize the team at fault by awarding something (base or out) to the either side.
I think Cora's upset because Rocco forced them to get together on it. If that's unedited, Rocco's on the field before time has been called. - Looks like they got the call right in the end.
I think Cora’s argument was the second base umpire didn’t make the call ……the first base umpire made it. By him going to second and pointing he was making an argument that the second base umpire was right there and didn’t call it.
it doesn't matter who made the call, the 2nd base Umpire clearly missed it, the Manager came out to argue so the Crew Chief got the crew together, that's the Crew Chief's responsibility to take charge in that situation, Cora can hate it all he wants to but at the end of the day, things were done right, they got the call right and he turned this issue into a much bigger deal than it was by making physical contact with an Umpire.
What's this whole "letting other people influence you" nonsense? That's the entire purpose of the crew getting together. I'm plain sick of all these crybaby baseball players and coaches. Compare MLB to ANY other sport. No one cries like in MLB. No one blows up like in MLB. It's embarrassing at this point.
Can you make a video of the Cubs game, Saturday Sept 21 vs Nationals, where the catcher got the ball stuck in his mask, and the man on first was awarded second base? I was at the game and they didn't announce anything, and nobody knew what was going on. I can't remember the inning, I think 3rd or 4th inning.
I cannot agree more. The older and older I get, the less and less tolerance I have for this. MLB needs to either cease this narrative about what heroic people these are…or put serious penalties, fines and suspensions in place. Either we want this out of the game or we don’t.
@@1969EType It adds to the flavor of the game. It's no better or worse now than it ever was. Lucy and Desi had a sketch about heckling umpires in the 1940s. Let's stop this oversensitive nonsense.
Lindsay, you need to do better. The play was ruled safe, Rocco objects to third base ump. After a meeting, the call is changed. Alex is mad because it appears the umpires were influenced by Rocco to change the call. Context is key in this ejection and you missed it!
If they find obstruction type 1 they MUST give the player the next base. It is CLEAR from the video he DID block part of the base with his knee which IS obstruction type 1.
@@63076topher I'm not disagreeing with the overall outcome. The perception is that the ump called safe, then Rocco objected and the umps changed the call. Lindsay totally took that out. Even though the umps got the call right, the process didn't look good.
If a player or coach is ejected then refuses to leave the field and/or commits a second ejectable offense, there's no penalty? Seems like once he was ejected his behavior got much worse because he felt there could be no more consequences
Yeah, I've always hated that part. I think MLB needs to add a rule.. if a player/coach gets ejected and fails to leave the field immediatly their team should be accessed a penalty of some kind. Like if while on offense, every 20 seconds a stike on their batter or defense, a ball on the pitcher.. I know it'll never happen... but it should.
In the end, it didn't even matter. Minnesota lost both games and nearly completed their collapse. I grant Minnesota had zero shot in the postseason, but watching them recently has just been heartbreaking. Moreso than usual.
MLB needs to follow up on this. This is exactly the reason there is a shortage of officials. Kudos to Alan Porter for remaining calm while he was being bumped and shoved. Hopefully, they will take action this time. This situation reminds me of the John Schneider ejection in Philadelphia earlier this year. If this were a college game, this would almost certainly result in a lengthy suspension. 2 games for the prolonged arguing after the ejection, and 4 games for the bump. Porter gave plenty of time for Cora to make his point. Unfortunately, no good deed goes unpunished. This certainly is an example of give someone an inch and they'll take a mile.
He started the bumping by getting in the way. We aren’t bouncers. Either the umpire he is trying to get to needs to walk away or crew chief needs to get out of way because the umpire clearly wasn’t trying to avoid Cora and was willing to talk.
He got bumped because he intentionally jumped right in front of someone already moving hard towards another point. You can criticize Cora for plenty here, but that was 100% on Porter.
I Love how Coaches and Announcers wanna say "Thats his call", expecting "That" ump to see Obstruction/Interference & the touch of the base & the tag, on every single play without help. . . Unless getting help benefits their team. Loser mentality at its finest
I really hate the excuse of "he's trying to get his team fired up." What BS. These players are professional athletes. They should not have any problems getting "fired up." The manager or coach or whomever it is arguing a call is acting like a petulant child. Boo hoo.
The rule needs to be changed, to something like hockey, where if a penalty is committed, but the goal is scored, no penalty. In this case, the runner was safe, so,it would be no difference.
@@linuswolf6880 *Would* the fielder keep trying it? If you have a some chance of getting the out legitimately, and noticing obstruction is a point of emphasis for umpires, then attempting obstruction would still hurt the fielding team because their chance of getting the out goes from nonzero to zero when obstruction is called. If the chance of getting the out legitimately on a particular play is already basically zero, then it's not a close play, and any obstruction subtle enough for an umpire to possibly miss wouldn't be impactful enough to stop the runner being safe.
Once Cora left the umpires behind and started throwing his tantrum alone at second base, it became nothing more than theatrics. I'm surprised he didn't pull the base out of the ground and take it into the dugout, a la Lloyd McClendon.
If you come out of the dugout to argue, you should have a 2 game suspension. If you come out of the dugout after being ejected from the dugout, 4 game suspension. If you are a assistant manager or lower, a week ejection. All without pay.
@@thomashendricks9774 Not harsh enough. If you're a game participant and you argue a correct call, you should be banned from baseball for the season....maybe even the rest of your career. Too strong? Maybe....but that's what some couch-surfing fans think should happen to officials when they make an error of judgment.
@@DJTexanfor what? Being a proper crew chief and protecting his guy? He was willing to talk and give explanation to Cora, Cora didn’t want to hear it. Then he gave him ample time to make a point before running him. Then again played the role of defender of his crew when Cora wouldn’t back off and leave. None of what he did warrants suspension.
Not necessarily, Porter moved himself into the path initiating the contact, with the ejection being in the first inning, they may just call it the game suspension and fine him, or they could suspend him further, who knows at this point.
Imagine being so whiny you get tossed in the top of the first inning for something that isn’t that big of an issue. You still got nine innings of offense coach. Get over yourself!!
As the legendary Jim Joyce said, "If we put $100 bills in each of the rulebooks we give the pro clubs at the beginning of the season, every year we'd make 95% of our money back before the playoffs."
Alex Cora is such an annoying jackwagon. Seems like every time he's out there making a fool of himself, he also happens to be WRONG about the thing he's so pissed about.
Cora should be suspended for the remainder of this season and three months into the next - without pay. If they start punishing the temper tantrum throwers, I'll wager their attitudes will come around.
Quick idea for reducing manager ejections, if he leaves his position to argue a call, and it's a clearly correct call or he goes into histrionics, it's a 1-3 game suspension. Thoughts?
Cora’s method is a little much. I dont necessarily disagree with him being upset. Unless ump on 2nd thought he misinterpreted rule why are guys 60 or more feet away having any say in the call.
@@richblunt1309 it's entirely possible that the 2nd base Umpire was too close to the play so didn't see the obstruction whereas farther away Umpires would've seen the obstruction better.
2nd base umpire had the same view that we had and should have made the call right away instead of having to talk to his collegues before making the call. This rule has been in force for several years now and umpires at this level should be able to recognize when it happens as clean cut as this one without having to talk to the other umpires about it.
Exactly. Ultimately they got the call right, but it’s not a great look that it wasn’t called immediately and only after the other manager started to argue it and the umpires got together.
If an ump is about to change his initial ruling, they should get together. For one he needs to inform the crew chief of what he saw, why he made the original call, and why he is now overturning it. I would also add that an immediate overturn of his own call immediately after the opposing coach talks to you is not the best optic, especially with the complicated rules of baseball not being understood by players or announcers, much less fans and unlike football the umps do not provide a stadium wide explanation.
So if the Minnesota coach didn't come out to argue, would they have gotten together? Is it a review able play? If so then the coach has to call for a review. Yes behavior inappropriate, but what initiated this call to be discussed?
They only got together because of the Manager possibly making a good and valid point, you can't review stuff like obstruction regardless of whether it was called or not
It's pretty common and was so before replay review to see players and managers urging the umps to "check with the crew or "get together". The umps of course aren't required to do so but it is much in the same vein of a batter pointing to a corner ump on a check swing really.
@@BrettShadow exactly plus the 1st base Umpire is the Crew Chief so he has every authority to take charge with a consultation if he deems it necessary
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. It's obstruction, the rule book has nothing about "blocking the base" other than the plate blocking rule. Particularly it's type 1/A obstruction which has a penalty as Lin explained of automatic award of the NEXT base. The one where he's "safe at second base" is only possible under type 2/B which is not this (you can't have a play like a pickoff being made on the runner for type 2)
It's a correct call, but giving the runner the next base when they were trying to get back to their original base is an INCREDIBLY stupid rule. Call them safe, dead ball, the end.
I get by rule it's the correct call but I don't understand why the runner gets the next base when he wouldn't get the next base without the obstruction anyway. Common sense says the runner should stay at second regardless.
I would assume it's targeting the cost-benefit analysis for the fielding team. If I always obstruct the base for opposing runners, and the only consequence is the runner is safe (and they would have been without the obstruction to begin with), there's literally no downside to obstructing. Adding a base changes that. I don't mind it. It's a pretty easy penalty to avoid 99% of the time.
because you are claiming they "nullify the act" which is the penalty for type 2 obstruction, not type 1. this is type 1 and the runner gets awarded 1 base
Anyone have a good reason for why the umpire standing right there couldn't make the call? Any good reasons for Porter inserting himself into a discussion involving the 2nd base ump and Cora?
So, long story short.....Cora massively embarrassed himself....and the Sox' broadcast crew mildly embarrassed themselves, with a "homer" take on a situation where the process worked and the call was ultimately correct?
My only comment here is…as written and as adjudicated, this call was 100% correct. However, the mechanics of U2 not calling obstruction and then after getting together, flipping the call is tough to watch. Again, the call was 100% correct…eventually but, U2 has an excellent look at this and needs to get this without a crew conference. I would also like to add that this rule needs to be edited. Fundamentally, from a competitive perspective, it makes zero sense that a runner going back into a bag who is obstructed by rule then gets the next base. No…that’s too much award for obstruction. He wasn’t trying to advance. He was trying to get back to the base. If he is out and obstructed, the out should be nullified and he is given the base he was trying to go back to. If a runner is obstructed while advancing…yes, he should be awarded the next base.
And while I agree he "should" have gotten the call - I can also understand the mental lapse when your primary focus is whether the runner gets back to bag before being tagged. When the runner is clearly safe - I can see how your mind isn't tuned into possible violations that didn't end up affecting the play. My guess is if he was tagged out or the play was a lot closer I bet he would have been looking for the obstruction.
@@DavidDSimon No question…no question this is a challenging call. He’s looking at and processing a lot here…We must also remember, we don’t have his angle and he doesn’t see our angle and U1 or U3 may have had a better angle despite being 90 feet away. It’s entirely possible he could have been flatlined on this.
That's an atrocious call. That's been a safe call in baseball for over 100 years. It's a baseball play. Call it safe and move on. The Ump Show at it's finest.
@@SarahDigsHockey If they don't change the call, no one complains and no one gets tossed. That's the very definition of "The Ump Show". The umpire right there, watching it right in front of him, did NOT make the call. The first base umpire decided to insert himself into the. call. THAT makes it 'The Ump Show".
@@jeraldwilson8185 that's rich that you think doing the improper thing is right, if you were capable of doing thorough research and actually gave a care to play the video then you would know that you are so wrong, what they called is obstruction and awarded the base which is the correct procedure as per the rules but you not liking it would rather throw a fit and whine that it's wrong, no you are the person spreading misinformation You're the one making this not the Ump Show but the you show because you seriously believe that everything you say is correct and factual The Umpire you are attacking is the Crew Chief so he has the authority to do what he did
2:50 I can't wait for DJ to show up and explain how this is proper and acceptable conduct by managers and game participants, and how umpires should simply bend over and open the starfish and just let it happen while we think of England.
@@DJTexan Whether you think they are bad, this is what has been taught at the high level for over two decades. These are the correct mechanics according to the people who run baseball now. You'll need to get over it. You won't, but it would do you good.
@@teebob21 Wrong, it hasn’t been taught for decades. Umpires aren’t bouncers. It’s not our job to initiate contact. The umpire could’ve walked away but by him standing there, it suggests to Cora he is willing to listen. Crew chief didn’t need to get in the way. If Cora gets suspended he should be as well.
Love the Deep Space Nine reference! One of my favorite episodes from that show!
Odo was the perfect character to be the umpire!
arguing with Odo never ends well.
He takes his space station security job very seriously.
The only part of "Take me out to the Holosuite" that I liked. Odo played the role perfectly, as usual.
@@scottythegreat1 And they actually got the MLB Rule number precisely right too, the one that Odo quoted. I think Lindsey did a thing on that as well.
Except for the one time he didn't. He did let Quark get away with smuggling one thing, because Quark told him to make his move on Kira, which led to them falling in love. So he let Quark have that one, but just that one.
He does, but the school on the station did get bombed under his watch. And a Romulan Senator's shuttle got rigged to explode at the station during the war.
Other than that though...
Never thought we'd be talking about Deep Space Nine In a video about baseball ejections once again.
Kinda wish you had a The Crow "fire it up" icon every time they want to "get their team fired up" like with the "get his money's worth."
CCS I have a question. What’s the difference between obstruction and interference, and is there different penalties for both?
Obstruction is when the fielder is illegally in the way or the runner.
Interference is several different things, but maybe most pertinently when the runner hinders the fielder when playing a batted ball.
Of course, you penalize the team at fault by awarding something (base or out) to the either side.
I think Cora's upset because Rocco forced them to get together on it. If that's unedited, Rocco's on the field before time has been called. - Looks like they got the call right in the end.
I think Cora’s argument was the second base umpire didn’t make the call ……the first base umpire made it. By him going to second and pointing he was making an argument that the second base umpire was right there and didn’t call it.
it doesn't matter who made the call, the 2nd base Umpire clearly missed it, the Manager came out to argue so the Crew Chief got the crew together, that's the Crew Chief's responsibility to take charge in that situation, Cora can hate it all he wants to but at the end of the day, things were done right, they got the call right and he turned this issue into a much bigger deal than it was by making physical contact with an Umpire.
@@MattZRJSRoxy Umpire made physical contact first.
What's this whole "letting other people influence you" nonsense? That's the entire purpose of the crew getting together. I'm plain sick of all these crybaby baseball players and coaches. Compare MLB to ANY other sport. No one cries like in MLB. No one blows up like in MLB. It's embarrassing at this point.
@@ETTe316you think so? I don't watch the Chiefs lol
And no other league has as many mistakes or bullshit calls than MLB.
@@J.C... They do. That's ok.
Tennis might make a challenge on that, percentage wise. Although it's not as bad as it used to be.
@@ETTe316 Can you tell me which player specifically is a crybaby?
Never not going to love DS9 showing up in these videos
Can you make a video of the Cubs game, Saturday Sept 21 vs Nationals, where the catcher got the ball stuck in his mask, and the man on first was awarded second base? I was at the game and they didn't announce anything, and nobody knew what was going on. I can't remember the inning, I think 3rd or 4th inning.
Seeing people act like Cora is EMBARRASSING TO BASEBALL. It's sickening at this point.
Ya I'm about over it.
I cannot agree more. The older and older I get, the less and less tolerance I have for this. MLB needs to either cease this narrative about what heroic people these are…or put serious penalties, fines and suspensions in place. Either we want this out of the game or we don’t.
Where is this type of behavior acceptable in any other aspect of life? "Professional" wrestling? Two year olds that missed their nap? 😂
@@1969EType It adds to the flavor of the game. It's no better or worse now than it ever was. Lucy and Desi had a sketch about heckling umpires in the 1940s. Let's stop this oversensitive nonsense.
@@VisibilityFoggy Yeah…I’m an umpire. I’ve never cared for “this flavor”…or “I Love Lucy”…thanks, though…
The face of the ump @2:55 is going to haunt me. I don’t understand.
bruh... That's the only reason I'm down here in the comments! Tryin to figure out WTF that was!
@@BrettShadow In the show, Odo (the ump) is a shapeshifter. He looks funny because he can't do human faces 100% properly.
@@Mehnwai397 What show?!?! Meet the Night Terrors?!?!
@@BrettShadow Star Trek deep space nine. The character is like a no nonsense pissy cop
That's Odo from Star Trek.
Odo called that game in 2375, which was _way_ after 2015.
Doesn’t the rule use the word PROGRESS as in “impeding the progress of the runner?” Is returning to a base considered progress?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes
Yes it is.
Lindsay, you need to do better. The play was ruled safe, Rocco objects to third base ump. After a meeting, the call is changed. Alex is mad because it appears the umpires were influenced by Rocco to change the call. Context is key in this ejection and you missed it!
If they find obstruction type 1 they MUST give the player the next base. It is CLEAR from the video he DID block part of the base with his knee which IS obstruction type 1.
@@63076topher I'm not disagreeing with the overall outcome. The perception is that the ump called safe, then Rocco objected and the umps changed the call. Lindsay totally took that out. Even though the umps got the call right, the process didn't look good.
@DanielJones-ep8no It is called a challenge they are allowed in baseball.
@@63076topher Rocco complained. He didn't challenge. They didn't go to NY.
If a player or coach is ejected then refuses to leave the field and/or commits a second ejectable offense, there's no penalty? Seems like once he was ejected his behavior got much worse because he felt there could be no more consequences
The next step is suspension, I believe.
They're always subject to additional fines and suspenions.
Yeah, I've always hated that part. I think MLB needs to add a rule.. if a player/coach gets ejected and fails to leave the field immediatly their team should be accessed a penalty of some kind. Like if while on offense, every 20 seconds a stike on their batter or defense, a ball on the pitcher.. I know it'll never happen... but it should.
Oh there will be once MLB sees this video. Intentional contact with the umpire is suspendable.
@@ronpeacock9939
I've always hated to see a guy come OUT OF the dugout to throw his hissy fit after being ejected (Joe Girardi, Aaron Boone,...).
In the end, it didn't even matter. Minnesota lost both games and nearly completed their collapse. I grant Minnesota had zero shot in the postseason, but watching them recently has just been heartbreaking. Moreso than usual.
MLB needs to follow up on this. This is exactly the reason there is a shortage of officials. Kudos to Alan Porter for remaining calm while he was being bumped and shoved. Hopefully, they will take action this time. This situation reminds me of the John Schneider ejection in Philadelphia earlier this year. If this were a college game, this would almost certainly result in a lengthy suspension. 2 games for the prolonged arguing after the ejection, and 4 games for the bump. Porter gave plenty of time for Cora to make his point. Unfortunately, no good deed goes unpunished. This certainly is an example of give someone an inch and they'll take a mile.
He started the bumping by getting in the way. We aren’t bouncers. Either the umpire he is trying to get to needs to walk away or crew chief needs to get out of way because the umpire clearly wasn’t trying to avoid Cora and was willing to talk.
He got bumped because he intentionally jumped right in front of someone already moving hard towards another point. You can criticize Cora for plenty here, but that was 100% on Porter.
I Love how Coaches and Announcers wanna say "Thats his call", expecting "That" ump to see Obstruction/Interference & the touch of the base & the tag, on every single play without help. . . Unless getting help benefits their team.
Loser mentality at its finest
Odo is the best umpire. RIP Rene
RIP Rene
A stupid thing for Alex to get ejected over, and I imagine he's going to get a few games for it.
my main issues is now being called but wasn't before they should of been calling all these
The umpire should also get a few games for initiating the contact.
When by the book means rules lawyers make the call. Baldelli says nothing, and Cora keeps his cool.
I really hate the excuse of "he's trying to get his team fired up." What BS. These players are professional athletes. They should not have any problems getting "fired up." The manager or coach or whomever it is arguing a call is acting like a petulant child. Boo hoo.
Especially when, like Lindsey said, the last time, he fired up the wrong team...
You are correct. I was always embarrassed when my coach was ejected, not fired up. If you aren’t motivated to play, go home.
Especially making that kind of money
@@atticstattic coaches want to win; it’s why they protest, it has nothing to do with firing a team up.
@@rayray4192
Never said they did.
Okay now I want a full breakdown of that DS9 episode. There's some very bad baseball in it.
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The rule needs to be changed, to something like hockey, where if a penalty is committed, but the goal is scored, no penalty. In this case, the runner was safe, so,it would be no difference.
Wrong it is FINE how it is they have OBSTRUCTION type 2 that has a play it out.
What is the logic of advancing a runner in this scenario? Just wondering why the rule is set the way it is.
Most likely penalization. Otherwise they would do it till a crew gets it wrong and says the runner is out.
same reason why a failed 3rd disengagement grants the runner a base
@@linuswolf6880 *Would* the fielder keep trying it? If you have a some chance of getting the out legitimately, and noticing obstruction is a point of emphasis for umpires, then attempting obstruction would still hurt the fielding team because their chance of getting the out goes from nonzero to zero when obstruction is called. If the chance of getting the out legitimately on a particular play is already basically zero, then it's not a close play, and any obstruction subtle enough for an umpire to possibly miss wouldn't be impactful enough to stop the runner being safe.
Once Cora left the umpires behind and started throwing his tantrum alone at second base, it became nothing more than theatrics. I'm surprised he didn't pull the base out of the ground and take it into the dugout, a la Lloyd McClendon.
Managers need to start facing actual consequences for these behaviors. Not ok to push your way through an ump to scream at another.
He got in his way. Period.
Again, if you get ejected for arguing a call and you are dead wrong, you should get suspended for another game.
If you come out of the dugout to argue, you should have a 2 game suspension. If you come out of the dugout after being ejected from the dugout, 4 game suspension. If you are a assistant manager or lower, a week ejection. All without pay.
@@thomashendricks9774 Not harsh enough. If you're a game participant and you argue a correct call, you should be banned from baseball for the season....maybe even the rest of your career.
Too strong? Maybe....but that's what some couch-surfing fans think should happen to officials when they make an error of judgment.
Same goes for umpires that initiate contact.
Cora is going to be suspended for the next game.
Not for this game now, but the one after that, absolutely.
Porter should also be suspended.
@@DJTexanfor what? Being a proper crew chief and protecting his guy? He was willing to talk and give explanation to Cora, Cora didn’t want to hear it. Then he gave him ample time to make a point before running him. Then again played the role of defender of his crew when Cora wouldn’t back off and leave. None of what he did warrants suspension.
Not necessarily, Porter moved himself into the path initiating the contact, with the ejection being in the first inning, they may just call it the game suspension and fine him, or they could suspend him further, who knows at this point.
Rays got him mad bro.
Imagine being so whiny you get tossed in the top of the first inning for something that isn’t that big of an issue.
You still got nine innings of offense coach. Get over yourself!!
So glad the Red Sox tied themselves to Cora for the next few years. Dude is a clown and an embarrassment
Cora... learn the new rules. It's part of your job. You are doing a poor job as manager.
alex you are wrong move on
Put the game date in the description for history
Already eliminated why creating a situation???
Just imagine how short your playlist would be if the players and managers actually knew the rules.
As the legendary Jim Joyce said, "If we put $100 bills in each of the rulebooks we give the pro clubs at the beginning of the season, every year we'd make 95% of our money back before the playoffs."
@@teebob21 Truth be told.
Alex Cora is such an annoying jackwagon. Seems like every time he's out there making a fool of himself, he also happens to be WRONG about the thing he's so pissed about.
Cora should be suspended for the remainder of this season and three months into the next - without pay. If they start punishing the temper tantrum throwers, I'll wager their attitudes will come around.
Boy did Alex Cora get his money's worth...
Ding!
Quick idea for reducing manager ejections, if he leaves his position to argue a call, and it's a clearly correct call or he goes into histrionics, it's a 1-3 game suspension. Thoughts?
absolutely - 2 game suspension for something this drawn out - goodness!
The player's union will never accept such terms. It will never happen.
Same goes for umpires that block and bait contact.
I wish that his team cared about winning this much.
Cora’s method is a little much. I dont necessarily disagree with him being upset. Unless ump on 2nd thought he misinterpreted rule why are guys 60 or more feet away having any say in the call.
the 1st base Umpire has every right to do so, he's the Crew Chief so he has an obligation to make sure the correct calls are made
@@MattZRJSRoxy okay, but he is 60 feet OR more away, what could he have possibly seen better then a guy standing 5 feet away in the right position?
@@richblunt1309 it's entirely possible that the 2nd base Umpire was too close to the play so didn't see the obstruction whereas farther away Umpires would've seen the obstruction better.
Cora is just worried he might be let go after they fail to make the playoffs. Meanwhile, my Tigers… 👀😁
Let’s just ignore the fact that umpire contacted manager first.
2nd base umpire had the same view that we had and should have made the call right away instead of having to talk to his collegues before making the call. This rule has been in force for several years now and umpires at this level should be able to recognize when it happens as clean cut as this one without having to talk to the other umpires about it.
@@stephenherring I Agree!
Exactly. Ultimately they got the call right, but it’s not a great look that it wasn’t called immediately and only after the other manager started to argue it and the umpires got together.
If an ump is about to change his initial ruling, they should get together. For one he needs to inform the crew chief of what he saw, why he made the original call, and why he is now overturning it. I would also add that an immediate overturn of his own call immediately after the opposing coach talks to you is not the best optic, especially with the complicated rules of baseball not being understood by players or announcers, much less fans and unlike football the umps do not provide a stadium wide explanation.
@@BrettShadow Well Said!
So where would you like the 2nd baseman to stand
He can stand anywhere as long as he is not blocking the base without the ball. It's really quite simple.
He is NOT standing that is the problem he has his KNEE down blocking part of the whole bag the runner is entitled to.
Correct call based on rules but he's obviously retreating. Simply giving the runner 2nd doesn't penalize the defensive miscue
No the rules says he MUST be given the next base on type 1 so that is 3rd not 2nd.
So if the Minnesota coach didn't come out to argue, would they have gotten together? Is it a review able play? If so then the coach has to call for a review. Yes behavior inappropriate, but what initiated this call to be discussed?
They only got together because of the Manager possibly making a good and valid point, you can't review stuff like obstruction regardless of whether it was called or not
It's pretty common and was so before replay review to see players and managers urging the umps to "check with the crew or "get together". The umps of course aren't required to do so but it is much in the same vein of a batter pointing to a corner ump on a check swing really.
@@BrettShadow exactly plus the 1st base Umpire is the Crew Chief so he has every authority to take charge with a consultation if he deems it necessary
Good old AC -- Arguing Calls.
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How is that not “a legitimate attempt to field the ball?
Are we taught to drop a knee as a throw is coming to us?
The rule has always been without possession of the ball a fielder could not block a base.
The rule is now enforced as written.
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His contact with the crew chief ought to mean a suspension!
You got it the other way around.
@@DJTexannope, and you spamming comments doesn’t make you right.
This is actually called blocking the base which means that the runner is safe at second base
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. It's obstruction, the rule book has nothing about "blocking the base" other than the plate blocking rule. Particularly it's type 1/A obstruction which has a penalty as Lin explained of automatic award of the NEXT base. The one where he's "safe at second base" is only possible under type 2/B which is not this (you can't have a play like a pickoff being made on the runner for type 2)
That flagrant contact generally means suspension
It's a correct call, but giving the runner the next base when they were trying to get back to their original base is an INCREDIBLY stupid rule. Call them safe, dead ball, the end.
If there's not a penalty, they'll try to get away with it every time.
It's so dumb that managers argue clear, by-the-book calls.
Cora is the Billechick of baseball...
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Would love to see a Jomboy breakdown on this.
That is the worst resource for reviewing umpire calls anywhere.
@@charlestraber9812 I wanna hear what Cora was saying
I think the rule needs to be evaluated. In this play the fielder imo would have no chance to make a play on the thrown ball.
You are wrong no reason to go to his knee blocking the bag move infront of the bag to give the runner what he is entitled the WHOLE BAG.
I get by rule it's the correct call but I don't understand why the runner gets the next base when he wouldn't get the next base without the obstruction anyway. Common sense says the runner should stay at second regardless.
so if there's a play made on the runner the punishment isnt enough to just nullify the act, it should be something extra
I would assume it's targeting the cost-benefit analysis for the fielding team. If I always obstruct the base for opposing runners, and the only consequence is the runner is safe (and they would have been without the obstruction to begin with), there's literally no downside to obstructing. Adding a base changes that.
I don't mind it. It's a pretty easy penalty to avoid 99% of the time.
because you are claiming they "nullify the act" which is the penalty for type 2 obstruction, not type 1. this is type 1 and the runner gets awarded 1 base
It's a punishment against the defense. This isn't nullify the act. It's punitive.
Anyone have a good reason for why the umpire standing right there couldn't make the call? Any good reasons for Porter inserting himself into a discussion involving the 2nd base ump and Cora?
1. Brainfart?
2. Porter is the crew chief. He can decide to get involved, and really should get involved, in any on field situation like this.
@@John-tx1wk it's also probable that he might've been too close to see the rapid play fully whereas farther other Umpires might have seen it better
@@John-tx1wk He got too involved. He caused the so called contact that wasn’t intentional.
Teach your players to not cheat
Cheating does pay, just ask the Astros. The only people really penalized for it were the pitchers the next season throwing at Astro players...
@@brianmullaney6237I think every team cheats like the Astros. MLB just used them as example when they penalized them.
@@brianmullaney6237 and baseball made huge punishments if you threw at the astros.
@@HomerErectus That's just not true though. You can think whatever you want but if you want anyone to take you seriously you have to have evidence.
@@zachansen8293 The Dodgers were doing the same thing as the Astros. They didn't get investigated, because they didn't win.
So, long story short.....Cora massively embarrassed himself....and the Sox' broadcast crew mildly embarrassed themselves, with a "homer" take on a situation where the process worked and the call was ultimately correct?
Wow! He’s ejected from the game for obstruction calls. He should have listened to the umpire. He will be suspended from the game or fined.
The umpire also obstructed and should also be suspended.
My only comment here is…as written and as adjudicated, this call was 100% correct. However, the mechanics of U2 not calling obstruction and then after getting together, flipping the call is tough to watch. Again, the call was 100% correct…eventually but, U2 has an excellent look at this and needs to get this without a crew conference. I would also like to add that this rule needs to be edited. Fundamentally, from a competitive perspective, it makes zero sense that a runner going back into a bag who is obstructed by rule then gets the next base. No…that’s too much award for obstruction. He wasn’t trying to advance. He was trying to get back to the base. If he is out and obstructed, the out should be nullified and he is given the base he was trying to go back to. If a runner is obstructed while advancing…yes, he should be awarded the next base.
sadly the award is proper for this type of obstruction if there's no punishment then the defense will keep on doing it which just delays the game
And while I agree he "should" have gotten the call - I can also understand the mental lapse when your primary focus is whether the runner gets back to bag before being tagged. When the runner is clearly safe - I can see how your mind isn't tuned into possible violations that didn't end up affecting the play. My guess is if he was tagged out or the play was a lot closer I bet he would have been looking for the obstruction.
@@DavidDSimon No question…no question this is a challenging call. He’s looking at and processing a lot here…We must also remember, we don’t have his angle and he doesn’t see our angle and U1 or U3 may have had a better angle despite being 90 feet away. It’s entirely possible he could have been flatlined on this.
That's an atrocious call. That's been a safe call in baseball for over 100 years. It's a baseball play. Call it safe and move on. The Ump Show at it's finest.
That's not an ump show. It's a let's-change-the-rules-of-baseball show.
@@SarahDigsHockey If they don't change the call, no one complains and no one gets tossed. That's the very definition of "The Ump Show". The umpire right there, watching it right in front of him, did NOT make the call. The first base umpire decided to insert himself into the. call. THAT makes it 'The Ump Show".
I agree
@@jeraldwilson8185 that's rich that you think doing the improper thing is right, if you were capable of doing thorough research and actually gave a care to play the video then you would know that you are so wrong, what they called is obstruction and awarded the base which is the correct procedure as per the rules but you not liking it would rather throw a fit and whine that it's wrong, no you are the person spreading misinformation
You're the one making this not the Ump Show but the you show because you seriously believe that everything you say is correct and factual
The Umpire you are attacking is the Crew Chief so he has the authority to do what he did
@@jeraldwilson8185 Getting the call right is what matters. The manager turned it into the manager show. The call was right, the manager was wrong.
that was a balk !!! Booooooooo !! Get some glasses ump
what about it was a balk? would u like to elaborate on your strong belief?
There was no balk.
2:50 I can't wait for DJ to show up and explain how this is proper and acceptable conduct by managers and game participants, and how umpires should simply bend over and open the starfish and just let it happen while we think of England.
He contacted manager first. Period.
@@DJTexan Thanks DJ. I knew we could count on you to be an apologist for manager behavior.
@@teebob21 and I knew I could count on you being an apologist for bad umpire situation handling and mechanics.
@@DJTexan Whether you think they are bad, this is what has been taught at the high level for over two decades. These are the correct mechanics according to the people who run baseball now. You'll need to get over it. You won't, but it would do you good.
@@teebob21 Wrong, it hasn’t been taught for decades. Umpires aren’t bouncers. It’s not our job to initiate contact. The umpire could’ve walked away but by him standing there, it suggests to Cora he is willing to listen. Crew chief didn’t need to get in the way. If Cora gets suspended he should be as well.
Each team should have a full time psychologist.
Good call. Bad rule.
The rule is great. You can't block the bag without the ball. That's how it should be.