MARVEL Phase 7-9: The MUTANT SAGA, Explained

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  • Опубликовано: 12 сен 2022
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    Marvel's D23 panel did not reveal any news about Deadpool, the mutants, or the X-Men--but we do know that the mutants are coming to the MCU. Ms. Marvel is a mutant. Wolverine was teased in She-Hulk..and soon the mutants will headline a New Saga of the MCU: The Mutant Saga. We explain how the dark Phoenix can be the driving force behind the next wave of the MCU, and why the Marvel Cinematic Universe is just beginning...
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  • @ScreenCrush
    @ScreenCrush  Год назад +116

    What do you want to see happen in the Mutant Saga?

    • @marcusyates3044
      @marcusyates3044 Год назад +3

      Why does Kang the Conqueror hates mutants again? Other than the whole racism thing?

    • @andrewdono6425
      @andrewdono6425 Год назад +8

      I'm willing to wait for a while to ensure the story (and how mutants are inevitably explained into the MCU) is properly prepared. Kamala & 838 Xavier were great sneak peaks towards what is to come. But Kamala possibly being a mutant brings into question "are they already in the MCU, just dormant?" That's not a bad thing or anything, but it goes against many of the theories surrounding how the MCU will introduce mutants.

    • @e.l.t9975
      @e.l.t9975 Год назад +6

      Maybe introduce the shi ar empire or the brood.

    • @fikilemkhize5776
      @fikilemkhize5776 Год назад +5

      I àlso want x-men in phase7

    • @isaiah904s
      @isaiah904s Год назад +4

      @@marcusyates3044 you trying so to make this comment work🤣

  • @razzie.london
    @razzie.london Год назад +699

    I honestly think Marvel Studios can do the Dark Phoenix storyline justice. They should call Phase 10 of the MCU ‘Phase X’.

    • @kryzorx
      @kryzorx Год назад +68

      Phase X has nice ring to it

    • @nebnub4965
      @nebnub4965 Год назад +75

      Phase X should be the last phase ever

    • @josephgrubb1105
      @josephgrubb1105 Год назад +5

      Awesome idea

    • @thomasevans2020
      @thomasevans2020 Год назад +19

      Ayyyyyy nice. That’s actually why they are rushing all their upcoming phases so they can have phase X

    • @divinedelaware7541
      @divinedelaware7541 Год назад +1

      Smart

  • @terryf6696
    @terryf6696 Год назад +182

    Doing the phoenix saga straight away is the same mistake they already made, it needs to be earned we need to be super familiar with Jean and the team before this happens. It could be in the next phase. There are already so many great stories in the X-Men canon, no need to rush. I agree that they could make the mutant stuff a whole phase but through a series of movies and TV shows.

    • @davidanderson2357
      @davidanderson2357 Год назад +1

      "Canon", not "cannon".

    • @theoutlawking9123
      @theoutlawking9123 Год назад

      True.

    • @bobbyg.6939
      @bobbyg.6939 Год назад

      @@davidanderson2357 both.

    • @davisbowe8668
      @davisbowe8668 Год назад +1

      I agree. Phase 7 should be based around more street-level villains like Mystique, Juggernaut, and the Brotherhood, then do more powerful villains like Magneto and Mister Sinister for Phase 8, THEN in Phase 9 you can go all out with Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. Really hoping we finally get a good live action movie with those two.
      Though I do hope if Kang appears as Rama-Tut that they plant the seeds for Apocalypse since Kang is actually central to Apocalypse's backstory in the comics.

  • @SuddenJeff
    @SuddenJeff Год назад +191

    I'm looking forward to all the shows on Disney+. I'm sure characters like Gambit and Rogue won't get their own movies, but a bunch of 8 part mini-series will be a great way flesh out a ton of mutant stories.

    • @5ftOfRage
      @5ftOfRage Год назад +2

      I'm sick of tired of really short shows because they feel really rushed and can get really boring

    • @kobeyballer
      @kobeyballer Год назад +1

      @@5ftOfRage agreed. They need to be 10-12 episodes long. These 6 episode series are just bad.

    • @DragunovWayne
      @DragunovWayne 10 месяцев назад

      My opinion is that through these mini-series they should show the life of Gambit and Rogue mainly with Rogue not knowing how to deal with his powers and Gambit with his criminal side, in the end they reach Xavier school and join the X-Men

  • @Gundam-Fury
    @Gundam-Fury Год назад +56

    How about if we're doing the Dark Phoenix we focus on the REAL reason the Phoenix went mad in that comic; because throughout there attempts Fox has only done ONE thing, Point and Yell "She Powerful, Thats COOL!", when the real compelling story is the fact that it wasnt Jean that went mad with power, but the Phoenix was corrupted by Jeans emotions, it hadnt experienced Joy and Rage before her and it wanted to experience these feelings.
    But nope in the movies its just FIRE BIRD GO BRRRR

  • @spider-manunknown9193
    @spider-manunknown9193 Год назад +230

    Phase 1-3 The Infinity Saga
    Phase 4-6 The Multiverse Saga
    Phase 7-9 The Mutant Saga
    Sounds great.

    • @C-Murph
      @C-Murph Год назад +9

      Mutants gunna get like 5-6 Phases.

    • @Native2Earth
      @Native2Earth Год назад +17

      Phase 10-12 The Universe Saga
      Where humans and mutants come together to defeat all the cosmic entities resetting a singular universe at the cost of super human abilities. Creating reality itself and marvel comics as the pocket dimension where super abilities and mutants were real.

    • @bartvanesseveldt9751
      @bartvanesseveldt9751 Год назад

      @@C-Murph so, then why is there nothing mutant related anounced for phase 5, of course theyre holding back something, but not if it is released next year (besides sideroles/cameos of course)

    • @mypurpletie
      @mypurpletie Год назад +3

      @@bartvanesseveldt9751 He didn't mean that Mutants will be in phase 5-6, but that they should have 5 or 6 phases worth of movies/shows (phase 7-12 for example).

    • @bartvanesseveldt9751
      @bartvanesseveldt9751 Год назад

      @@mypurpletie oh yeah, makes sense, I def agree

  • @nicholasmaione5694
    @nicholasmaione5694 Год назад +21

    This would be terrific. Told over multiple movies. The problem with the Phoenix saga is they keep trying to do it in one movie. It needs time to breathe

  • @lukenester8157
    @lukenester8157 Год назад +42

    Agree a bajillion percent about Cyclops needing to be a focus.

    • @McHaro0079
      @McHaro0079 Год назад

      You mean 11:02?

    • @OmegaDez
      @OmegaDez Год назад +3

      It makes no sense to me how Fox decided Charles, Wolverine, Magneto and Mystique should be the main characters of the movies, sidelining almost every other X-Men character. The X-Men's success were always their team aspect.

    • @Xandycane
      @Xandycane Год назад +3

      OMG yes. Cyclops got screwed over by Fox. He's supposed to be a strong, confident leader who can function without his girlfriend. Worst scene is still Scott at the lake, apparently incapacitated by Jean's death... and then he dies.

  • @Turdnugget1989
    @Turdnugget1989 Год назад +42

    I'd love to see Alpha Flight make their way into the MCU

  • @thorinwoods2642
    @thorinwoods2642 Год назад +28

    The problem I’ve always had with Fox trying to do the Dark Phoenix saga is they try to rush it all into one film. That needs to be built up. The other issue is that Jean Grey in those films is not likable. They need to make Jean on the stasis of Wanda where mostly everyone loves her. Though unlike Multiverse of Madness take time in corrupting Jean through various projects.

    • @graemejack9040
      @graemejack9040 Год назад +1

      Dark Phoenix was originally two 3 hour movies. The first movie was made and due to be released but then all of a sudden it kept getting delayed and going through reshoots! This was because Disney had begun to try and buy fox behind the scenes and forced FOX to condense it down to a single movie and delay it till after the Captain Marvel movie had been released! This was because they wanted CM to be the first female led movie! Disney sabotaged the Dark Phoenix movie!

  • @sydposting
    @sydposting Год назад +39

    Totally agree with you that a "Dark Phoenix Saga" is utterly empty without a Heroic Phoenix Saga to *prove* that this kind of power *can* be used for good, which both deepens the tragedy of Jean's demise -- and yet, since this timeline has completely jumped off the rails, might also allow for a satisfying subversion that allows Jean to live in symbiosis with the Phoenix, and not succumb to the doom of her other variants. I mean, we've seen this story so many times before - why not challenge this "predetermined story arc" when the Sacred Timeline's already been shattered to bits?

    • @flamepulse42
      @flamepulse42 Год назад

      how has it been shattered to bits?

    • @JohnnySensei7
      @JohnnySensei7 Год назад

      @@flamepulse42 When Sylvie killed Kang it allowed everything in the Sacred Timeline to be up for grabs and up for tampering by whoever

    • @flamepulse42
      @flamepulse42 Год назад

      @@JohnnySensei7 it allowed other timelines to exist. it didnt change the primary timeline in any way

  • @Prothers_
    @Prothers_ Год назад +71

    Whoever edited this deserves a pay rise!
    Also, yes, this saga needs to happen!

  • @grendelkahn
    @grendelkahn Год назад +3

    the problem with dark phoenix is they just did the scarlet witch. The story arch is more or less the same and arguably could even have been the same scale. I think they will do dark phoenix eventually, just not as a major story arch

  • @MystifiedBeef
    @MystifiedBeef Год назад +9

    I think since Storm was a love interest to T'Challa that the MCU Storm will be Wakandan. Either full blooded or it’s where her family is from.

  • @leroybrown8872
    @leroybrown8872 Год назад +40

    Ok Ryan I have to say I absolutely love this idea! Making Cyclops more of a leader and giving Gene her redemption arc is just awesome and beautiful. Great job Doug. I mean Ryan. Lol.

  • @billc.8569
    @billc.8569 Год назад +24

    Totally love your idea about Cyclops taking the lead as it should be. Great ideas for the X-men phases. It does suck doing but Pheonix saga / Apocalypse again but as you said, they are great stores. Age of Apocalypse story line would be a great side movie too once X-men are established .

  • @hoboringmaster8029
    @hoboringmaster8029 Год назад +5

    The whole Cable/time travel works especially when consolidating the multiverse

  • @Sclawson07
    @Sclawson07 Год назад +7

    When you said the dark Phoenix story I initially thought "please no". You have changed my mind. The interweaving of all of the story arcs sounds wonderful. Have real meaning to the story other than here's another bad guy to beat up. Very well done.

  • @fluffygargos7066
    @fluffygargos7066 Год назад +12

    Damn this sounds absolutely amazing, I feel if executed right this'll be the best saga in Marvel

  • @muditmehta5685
    @muditmehta5685 Год назад +9

    If they bring back wanda with her full power, could she fight off pheonix

  • @ericjome7284
    @ericjome7284 Год назад +10

    This is next level fan fiction. You're really wearing your heart on your sleeve here. :)

  • @tikiviktor
    @tikiviktor Год назад +9

    When the MCU FINALLY does mutants I wanna see either the comic book version or the X-Men animated version of Apocalypse

    • @theoutlawking9123
      @theoutlawking9123 Год назад

      The thing with Apocalypse is how to make him look comic accurate, people complain about his movie counterpart look but that was pretty close to the comics. So how do we make his look work.

  • @Maund78
    @Maund78 Год назад +7

    Yes!! And I can’t wait for Rogue’s story to be properly told. She was underused with Fox leading the way. Here’s hoping she’ll appear in The Marvels 🤞🏻

  • @trap41sosa78
    @trap41sosa78 Год назад +32

    Can’t wait to see Nightcrawler in the MCU 🔥🔥🔥

    • @dbxv2israel195
      @dbxv2israel195 Год назад +1

      Oh man yeah wow hope the same one plays him

  • @DefHalan
    @DefHalan Год назад +15

    I think the hardest part of X-Men is there is enough content for their own version of the MCU. So if we are talking fan fiction and fan wish fulfillment, I want them to have their own Cinematic Universe in a way.
    Basically Marvel would have to double their movie output and give half their TV shows to Mutants. Then connect the two movie series occasionally. So you don't have to watch both movie series to follow the entire marvel universe unless you want to. There would still be big X-Men vs Avengers type of cross overs, but they wouldn't be dependent on knowledge from previous movies, just references. Like how the first two Avengers movies didn't require you to have watched any of the previous movies, it just helps

    • @danielcancel2901
      @danielcancel2901 Год назад +1

      Nah you still had to watch all the movies in the first two avengers ones wym!? Lmao

    • @DefHalan
      @DefHalan Год назад

      @@danielcancel2901 what important plot details were there in Phase 1 that were not explained in Avengers 1?
      What important plot details were there in Phase 2 that were not explained in Age of Ultron?
      Those stories are pretty much self contained. There are small things, like Cap's history with the tesseract in Avengers 1, but that isn't really relevant to the plot. In Age of Ultron you might wonder where Shield is, but beyond that everything else was self contained.

  • @yca76
    @yca76 Год назад +19

    I usually agree but I don't think this is based at all. The X-men franchise is popular because of the character building. They can't just make a crossover that makes them and then launch into Phoenix Saga. The 2nd attempt at the saga failed because the audience just doesn't have a relationship with the young first class cast and literally didn't care about the characters or the stakes. They can't do Phoenix sagas until they build the X-men up and make the audience fall in love with them. Anything less and the audience won't feel the growth or the value of the sacrifice and so on.
    Your take here is just another Fox-esque Mutant Who's Who trying to show as many mutants as you can and no one is getting their screen time. You're skipping over 30-40 years of character building and going right to Cable and Age of Apocalypse when the franchise hasn't earned the interest or love of the audience.
    The X-men is inherently long form. They need to start with a Disney+ series (at least 10 episodes) with the first season and maybe the 2nd season even dedicated exclusively to the *first class* and building up the rogues gallery. Some of these characters can popup in crossovers in other movies between season 1 and 2. 2nd season can add the 2nd class. Keep building up these new characters. Season 3 needs to end with the Phoenix Saga and then cover season 4 by continuing to explore the large cast and Phoenix's new abilities etc. Season 4 would lead into a Dark Phoenix crossover movie. After that they can start exploring 90s and 2000s mutants in season 5 and 6 laying the groundwork to Age of Apocalypse movie.

    • @sparks2378
      @sparks2378 Год назад

      100% agreed. Although X-men is way too valuable to be just a tv show. This universe deserves at least 10 years of building to get everything right.

  • @robertcarrasco4571
    @robertcarrasco4571 Год назад +18

    I like this, this would be an awesome Mutant Saga. The only thing I would change is the inclusion of eternals and midnight sons, maybe even hints of inhumans. I would really like more eternals to be included in the mcu and see mutants as a threat or a devient gene. Forcing them to take action, especially with Jean hosting the phoenix force. This then will create three fractions, mutants vs avengers vs eternals. And maybe midnight sons. All these fraction will have there one agendas and purpose, creating another civil war. Once the mutants saga comes to an end, inhumans can them come out of the shadows and calming to be a better evolution of mutants. Perhaps created my celestials

  • @AdEg66
    @AdEg66 Год назад +57

    I think the big problem with trying to do Dark Phoenix right now is that Wanda is so much like her. Doing it 3 years from now might work, but I fear that actress and the storyline will always be compared to Olson and Wanda's story.

    • @contactloatedcyberoninstag8489
      @contactloatedcyberoninstag8489 Год назад +1

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    • @theoutlawking9123
      @theoutlawking9123 Год назад

      Same, it'll just be called rehashing.

    • @keyshaun123
      @keyshaun123 Год назад +5

      you mean wanda is to much like jean

    • @kallum.h7939
      @kallum.h7939 Год назад +1

      Yeah they have such similar powers aswell except jean will be in Wandas shadow as wanda is so much more powerfull and enjoyable as a character and will probably come back in the house of harkness series and if she does then god help us all because they'll probably use her as a way to kill of Jean or like agatha will bring back the dark alt somehow and wanda just goes off the rails matey fulfilling that prophecy and all the hero's will have to team up to stop her somehow like they did with thanos because the mcu seems to just use wanda as an excuse for another awful film masked as an ultimate battle good vs evil but like it won't work because wanda has very obviously been confirmed to be one of the most powerful beings and they said it about thanos but wanda is the scarlet witch her legacy was explained she either ruled the multiverse or destroy it now put this story next to the dark phoenix story there is obviously no way Jean grey will ever be as interesting or as good as a villain or anti hero than wanda simply because she's not that interesting or having cool powers she only has that one interesting power she can't control of practically erasing one from existence using her uncontrolled telekinesis mixed with that phoenix fire bull that every big time mcu villain has had e.g thanos and scarlet witch in M.O.M

    • @jpgaultiers
      @jpgaultiers Год назад +1

      @@keyshaun123 no. they said what they meant

  • @hbkgault
    @hbkgault Год назад +8

    A lot of this is great, but it lacks a huge role for 1 of the best characters ever in Magneto. Hopefully, he has a great arc and maybe even tie in Wanda and her brother somehow like the comics.

  • @tiago9977
    @tiago9977 Год назад +31

    I don't really wanna see the MCU use the Dark Phoenix storyline tbh.
    Even if they do it justice, it feels a little repetitive at this point.
    Not to mention, I think it would make her feel too similar to Wanda in Multiverse of Madness.
    I'm perfectly content with Jean playing more of a passive role like in X-Men: Evolution.

    • @hritviknijhawan1737
      @hritviknijhawan1737 Год назад +1

      But if they do the DP storyline, at least it will be done Justice.

    • @darrellwill7970
      @darrellwill7970 Год назад +2

      Agreed, let the XMen be heroes for a while and give Phoenix a rest.

    • @cosmicentity1077
      @cosmicentity1077 Год назад +1

      agreed, I love the Dark Phoenix Saga but it needs to rest. Wanda in MOM basically copy the Dark Phoenix plot where she becomes corrupted and dies in the end. Don't bring up the HOM, it wasn't received well and full of inconsistencies. Idk why Marvel keeps doing that the "girl" is so powerful that she becomes unstable, like what happened to Wanda and Jean, it's shitty tbh.

  • @tiago9977
    @tiago9977 Год назад +12

    I think they'll probably bring Cable over w/ Deadpool so I doubt he'll have any connection to Jean or Scott in the MCU.

  • @andrewmcnamara6305
    @andrewmcnamara6305 Год назад +2

    I would like to see the MCU adapt the Dark Phoenix Saga, Age of Apocalypse, Onslaught, House of M, and Avengers vs X-Men for the Mutant Saga.

  • @pedrovitor7891
    @pedrovitor7891 Год назад +5

    The addition of mutants will definitely change the MCU, I just hope they do it in a good way and don't shit all the stories like fox did. Also, I hope they use the original team as the X-Men's first lineup, give Angel and Iceman the spotlight they deserve.

  • @ihave3firstnames
    @ihave3firstnames Год назад +3

    I love that you want to focus more on Cyclops. He has been one of my favorite X-Men for a long time and you are right: Fox just doesn't do him justice. He's defeated the Purifiers, Norman Osborne, Bastion, an Invasion of Skrulls, The Sapien League and others through superior tactics and leadership. Per Fury, the less time Scott has to make a decision, the more correct that decision is. This makes him one of the best leaders in Marvel. Do I need to mention that he is irresistible to telepaths? They can't stay away from him.

  • @seekfind9531
    @seekfind9531 Год назад +1

    I really appreciate it that you keep it clean. On top of that you’re definitely one of the better ones out there. Keep doing what you’re doing. It’s very enjoyable listening.

  • @sharonmarcone2938
    @sharonmarcone2938 Год назад +2

    I wish Marvel would hire you a a writer.

  • @thorinwoods2642
    @thorinwoods2642 Год назад +5

    I think this will be more likely the Thunderbolts vs the X-men. They could throw in a new Avengers team, FF, and Young Avengers as well. The Midnight Sons might be cool to.

  • @agrey832
    @agrey832 Год назад +7

    I agree with that, dedicate and entire saga to The X-Men. They have so many great and compelling stories they deserve their own saga honestly. However, I'd still like them to start laying the groundwork for their inevitable appearance *Now* 🤔

  • @carltontaylor6500
    @carltontaylor6500 Год назад +2

    FINALLY somebody brings up Genosha! It’s such a great storyline and easily translatable your the screen. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @Hammerhead68
    @Hammerhead68 Год назад +1

    For new she hulk episode for your Easter eggs: Post credit scene with
    the shoes: Deadpool shoes, the thing shoes, cyclops shoes, maybe either echo or Electra with the red E, Namor shoe with trident top left, and maybe? Warren Worthington-Angel to the left of green goblin?

  • @celticwolff5429
    @celticwolff5429 Год назад +6

    Ryan, you forgot to mention Sabra is going to be in CA:NWO and she is a mutant in the comics.
    Pitching the Dark Phoenix story again is lazy. Magic is big in the MCU now, why not a proper Majik storyline? Add in Nightcrawler's family & the MCU magic users and have an interdimensional conflict. Maybe the other dimensions are tired of the MCU almost destroying existence every few years. There would be enough characters who can travel dimensions to take the battle to Belasco, Mephisto, Nightmare, etc. All the Ghost Riders & the Midnight Sons could be brought in.

  • @wolfbite1984
    @wolfbite1984 Год назад +4

    Mr Sinister needs to be the big bad for the Xmen

  • @ZeroKhaoTiKz
    @ZeroKhaoTiKz Год назад +1

    One of the reasons the Dark Phoenix story didn't work before is that they didn't have time to breathe. We're introduced to Jean then she turns evil. A multi phase saga is actually perfect for making it work.

  • @Aureilius2112
    @Aureilius2112 Год назад +2

    I would like a Phoenix Saga, but they really need to develop the X-Men team before attempting it. It's a bad idea to start off with it. Jean will come off like a total Mary-Sue and many of the most important X-Men characters like Cyclops and Storm will get overshadowed.

  • @YODAddyLIVE
    @YODAddyLIVE Год назад +13

    Loved all of that and would love to see a comic accurate version of Days of Future Past. Feels like that could fit right into your theory with Cable being the one that travels back to warn everyone. My only gotcha in all of this is whether or not non-comic MCU fans are ready to see another red head female played as the villain? Perhaps 4 years will be enough time for people to get past it but remember that Marvel didn't want to have another Iron Monger for IM2 (hence Whiplash over Crimson Dynamo) and that didn't work out well...

  • @thorinwoods2642
    @thorinwoods2642 Год назад +6

    I don’t need more Wolverine with the X-men. I want the x-men characters to stand alone. Hopefully Wolverine joins by the second film.

  • @Steven-lg3zk
    @Steven-lg3zk Год назад +2

    They aren't going to dedicate 3 phases just to the X-men. They already said they aren't doing anymore 10 year plans and this would be a 10 year plan

  • @daksh0516
    @daksh0516 Год назад +2

    this was such a great vid it had all the things i would expect from mavel to do with mutants if they do them seperatly as the MUTANTS SAGA

  • @CL-qn9nx
    @CL-qn9nx Год назад +3

    Great story I hope they do exactly that, I can't wait to see how the more powered characters like captain marvel and scarlet witch compare to the Phoenix force and apocalypse.

  • @bobbywankenobi9650
    @bobbywankenobi9650 Год назад +4

    Overall that was an amazing breakdown for the mutants! Especially Cyclops!

  • @inthemindofbritnaem8383
    @inthemindofbritnaem8383 Год назад +2

    The only thing I would change is that having the phoenix take her body because she knows that Jean could handle because Jean is so powerful. when she gets in the body she becomes attached to the feelings that she feels especially the love for Scott so that makes her want to stay and not leave Jean’s body like she is supposed to.

  • @mikesweeney2324
    @mikesweeney2324 Год назад +1

    We gotta have this new sassy version of Mister Sinister though.

  • @acolytesounds
    @acolytesounds Год назад +5

    I just want Kitty Pryde and Wolverine in Japan. If I get a Magik arc and the New Mutants I'll be happy. I could also go for a modern Dazzler saga.

  • @theyoutoo12
    @theyoutoo12 Год назад +3

    I think the mutants might come into the MCU by way of doctor strange 2 with an mutiverse incursion. In doctor strange 3 the realities will come together and create one world where prof X exists in the main timeline.

  • @MarvinMartinez2001
    @MarvinMartinez2001 Год назад +2

    Werewolf by Night breakdown soon hopefully!!!

  • @ACA_88
    @ACA_88 Год назад +2

    I know it might not happen, but man it would be cool to have Hugh Wolverine appear in a couple multiverse saga films. He could be introduced in Quantamania, then Kang Dynasty, and final film in Secret Wars.

  • @JustZahm
    @JustZahm Год назад +3

    This.... Was amazing! Even if you just spoiled the next 10 years I'm fine with Marvel taking your ideas and running with it! Bravo!

  • @phantomvids2
    @phantomvids2 Год назад +4

    I vote for RyanArey to direct the Mutant saga for Marvel. He would do what the fans want to watch 😀

  • @anthonyponce9702
    @anthonyponce9702 Год назад +2

    I think the mcu should end with the multiverse saga. The best movies always end with a bitter sweet ending

  • @ste-fa-no
    @ste-fa-no Год назад

    6:21 nice summary of the video

  • @dumelachris
    @dumelachris Год назад +4

    How are you churning out so much quality content. Do you ever sleep, or eat? I'm sure there are laws on how much work animals are allowed to do. 😂

    • @luigiscazzari4724
      @luigiscazzari4724 Год назад +1

      Doug is a cruel Mister

    • @chikin52
      @chikin52 Год назад

      Doug is simply Doug. I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t a dog. To be fair he’s probably the real world equivalent of the pheonix force, only he’s lovable and nice and silly

  • @forkmaster1212
    @forkmaster1212 Год назад +4

    Love the channel and Doug!! Keep up the awesome work

  • @gr8tbigtreehugger
    @gr8tbigtreehugger Год назад

    Swinging for the fences! Love it!

  • @terranceesprit42
    @terranceesprit42 Год назад

    Damn... that was some damn in-depth goodness!

  • @ceejay1353
    @ceejay1353 Год назад +3

    I wanna see a Full Phoniex force Wanda, but not from it choosing her, but instead Wanda using magic (maybe the darkhold) to bend it to her will.

  • @orionhoover9457
    @orionhoover9457 Год назад +12

    I want X-MEN not to be a movie but be a series, it allows them to draw out and explain things and do more with the X-MEN and allows time in-between and proper spin-offs like legion of x or the different storylines

    • @jakeg3332
      @jakeg3332 Год назад +1

      nah the shows are poop compared to the films

  • @itsvtrap
    @itsvtrap Год назад

    editing top notch on this one.

  • @anasnadeemashraf1982
    @anasnadeemashraf1982 Год назад +1

    Please make more videos like this, love it!

  • @mango305z
    @mango305z Год назад +3

    I think characters can be redeemed in cameos as we saw in no way home. Electro was a redeemed character in that movie. I don’t think we need a whole movie or saga to redeem, with good writing, a cameo should suffice.

  • @jloiben12
    @jloiben12 Год назад +3

    While there are somethings I would do differently, I would not be disappointed with this

  • @rickygonzo2781
    @rickygonzo2781 Год назад +2

    One thing though, Doctor Doom might end up being the big bad for Avengers Secret Wars. Other than that, this sounds pretty good.

  • @joncacosta23
    @joncacosta23 Год назад

    This is my favorite video of all time. X-men are my favorite marvel characters and the way you set up the phases is perfect. I want the mcu to do exactly what you said. Feige please hire this man now

  • @aflucero82
    @aflucero82 Год назад +8

    Dam, you and your team should write for the MCU. Great ideas like always. I'd love to see all this happen.

  • @andrewshandle
    @andrewshandle Год назад +3

    This is a bit to overpowered for the MCU, but even if they do it, unless they make people prejudicial against _all_ heroes, it just doesn't work. I love the X-men comics (or did when I was a kid), and the stories needed telling from a cultural perspective, but the X-men from the comics doesn't work in a shared universe with Dr. Strange, The Fantastic Four, Spider-man and the Avengers. The MCU has an Avengers musical and conventions dedicate to literal hero worship, that same world isn't going to have the masses rising up and slaughtering mutants. It just doesn't work.

    • @PoniesNSunshine
      @PoniesNSunshine Год назад

      In the early comics, while there was definite worship of the Avengers and FF, the X-Men were considered terrorists because of their association with Magneto. The US Government would only contact them as a last resort. And it feels like the shows are already highlighting the unsteadiness of public support, where the public might change their opinion of a hero very quickly (as in Spider-Man's case )

    • @andrewshandle
      @andrewshandle Год назад

      ​@@PoniesNSunshine It's more that in the same city where humans are holding rallies to lock up all Mutants they were cool with Johnny Storm flying around the city while on fire, or Ben Grimm being a big hunk of rock.
      There's just a fundamental disconnect between how the general populous treated different heroes that they even lampshaded the first Avengers v. XMen story line when Scott called out Captain Ameriica on the fact he never publicly defends mutants and only helps them when he needs something.
      From a story telling perspective, I 100% get it, the stories they are trying to tell in the Avengers are different than those in the X-Men but as a result they feel like they are in a different Universe, yet at the same time they want to move characters back and forth like Beast and Wolverine's stints in the Avengers or they want to do cross overs like the current A.X.E. Judgement Day storyline.
      Comic nerds like us already know this stuff, so we just accept it, but the MCU appeals to orders of magnitude more people so there needs to be a logical thread between the movies or people just won't get it. You can't have Smart Hulk giving autographs to kids in a diner, but Colossus is feared because he's a mutant. People can't be cool with Dr. Strange or Captain Marvel supreme power but fear someone like Angel, it just doesn't work.

  • @yuukitaiyou
    @yuukitaiyou Год назад

    10:55 parallels to Star Wars that'll for sure win Feige's approval

  • @catfdljws
    @catfdljws Год назад +2

    The only thing missing that might come into play in the MCU version is that House of M moment: would, instead, that Phase 8 ended with "No More Mutants" and then Phase 9 becomes the path by which they return?
    The MCU has put a HUGE amount of power into Wanda, and while the fans (and the nature of movies) may lead to a reconciliation arc...the comics almost never work that way with her.

  • @okerejerome561
    @okerejerome561 Год назад +4

    So what actually happen to the other established characters, they would be sidelined, for the mutants. For what I would like is for the multiverse saga would end in a way such that the current MCU universe would be destroyed and so many other universe would too the Dr strange would combine the remains of the other universea to create the ultimate universe and that saga would be called the cosmic saga with Galactus as the big bad, yeah mutants would have their own special story in that saga bur it must all connect in a way that the fantastic four, the avengers and the mutants would be important in their special way, that could top everything marvel would have done by then

    • @slack__
      @slack__ Год назад +1

      dude swap dr strange for dr doom in your second sentence and that's literally the secret wars/battleworld storyline. bits of each universe salvaged together after the incursions and doom becomes god emperor doom ruling over all

  • @matthewdrury1228
    @matthewdrury1228 Год назад +5

    You should make a video on how the MCU should of been made if Marvel had the rights to every superhero, Spiderman, x-men, fantastic 4, Deadpool, etc. How different would it be if they had everyone at the begining

    • @WaldoWantToKillZOMBS
      @WaldoWantToKillZOMBS Год назад

      I second this. Always dreamed of tobey in New York with the avengers

  • @jonathansarni4424
    @jonathansarni4424 Год назад +1

    That apocalypse story NEEDS to happen!

  • @robinsantana1393
    @robinsantana1393 Год назад

    Man this was soooooo damn good!! You're a genius

  • @quaked2023
    @quaked2023 Год назад +4

    As much a would absolutely love to see everything you've suggested on the future of the MCU, I think Marvel/Disney is most likely to recast Iron-Man and Captain America after the Multiverse is destroyed, they will play it safe. Excellent video though, thank you for it.

  • @karencoyle3011
    @karencoyle3011 Год назад +4

    I'm not sure how the "mutants are hated and feared" angle will play in the MCU movies, because those very movies have shown no particular "man on the street" reactions to super powered people. Or they HAVE shown things like statues erected in their honor, or Ms Marvel being embraced by her town, stuff like that. Yes, they had the Sokovia Accords, but that seemed mostly about world governments wanting to use and control them as weapons, more than it was discrimination of humans in general against superhumans in general.

    • @charlesgong4510
      @charlesgong4510 Год назад

      Somehow not agree, they have done that theme pretty well in No Way Home ,a green paint and bricks were thrown to him, protesters outside his campus. So I think they can expand pretty good on that topic.

  • @stefanokerster9844
    @stefanokerster9844 Год назад

    This was awesome. Thank you.

  • @ThomasHerlofsen
    @ThomasHerlofsen Год назад +1

    You really need to read the X-comics of the last few years. It's been amazing. We want Krakoa!

  • @marcusyates3044
    @marcusyates3044 Год назад +3

    Why does Kang the Conqueror hates mutants again? Other than the whole racism thing?

    • @Magdalena8008s
      @Magdalena8008s Год назад +3

      I don't recall Kang having any specific vendetta against Mutants in the comics. Not that it doesn't exist I just don't recall any. If you are assuming Kang will hate them in the MCU that's yet to be seen. But I'd say because Mutants are damn powerful. Simple as that. But I may be missing something and an expert can elaborate more.

    • @joshuaa2278
      @joshuaa2278 Год назад +2

      You’re reaching with the whole racism thing.

  • @BloodRaven47
    @BloodRaven47 Год назад +2

    I love this. I just wish we got to see an X-Men team in the universe with the original 6 Avengers. I heard Fox contracts have handcuffed Marvel from bringing some of these characters in sooner, but I still hope they at least use them in the multiverse saga. RDJ, Evans, Jackman, Stewart(again), Fassbender, etc. together in some way would be awesome.

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  • @drewsears2959
    @drewsears2959 Год назад

    Congrats on one hell of a video. Don’t know how they would do it, but it was really entertaining

  • @mordo3160
    @mordo3160 Год назад +1

    When the X-Men finally arrive on the MCU, I hope they bring in Onslaught in a movie

  • @juliusstout264
    @juliusstout264 Год назад

    Wow this is an exciting idea it's giving me chills,it could definitely work if Marvel could see this proposal,this makes so much sense,it's about time Marvel starts focusing on mutants and your idea is brilliant it could really work,that would definitely conclude all the characters u have talked about in ur previous videos,then for phase10,11,12 they can explain more about the beginning of time where it all started from the beginning of all the Celestials,Beyonder,Eternity,the Dark Elves,Asgards beginning all of those I would like to see all that unfold aswell

  • @Majesticon
    @Majesticon Год назад +1

    It will be interesting to see how regular movie audiences react to the universe getting rebooted. We are used to it in the comics, wondering what film goers will think

  • @tocrooked
    @tocrooked Год назад +1

    Would like to see Xmen stories that havent been told yet in the movies..ideally would like them to start with Shi'ar Empire (connecting Cosmic characters), then get into a story line with Mojo and then back on earth with a Savage land storyline. The cross over event at the end could be the Phoenix saga...and finally Avengers vs Xmen.

  • @CRN-_-v0id
    @CRN-_-v0id Год назад +2

    Hey man love your content

  • @stevenrichardson3312
    @stevenrichardson3312 Год назад +1

    I TOTALLY agree that I WANT/NEED Cyclops in a badass Captain America of the X-Men role. I grew up reading comics in the 90's and everyone in the 90's LOVED Wolverine, but as an adult I realize that Cyclops had so much abandoned potential in the 90's. Hel, the coolest his character got was in the Age of Apocalypse story line. I would also LOVE to see the AoA storyline done right. Give me Nate Grey.

  • @VexxyVP
    @VexxyVP Год назад +1

    I have a theory, secret wars happens. Reed Richard restarts the timeline/multiverse. and like the cw universe from dc, it will ft all types of superheros, Perfect example from cw also is that superwomen was from earth 3 and the main uni was 1 until earth prime was made after crisis. So something like that would give us phase 7, a universe filled with The Avengers, Inhumans, Xmen, Runaways, Ect.
    edit: damn i just realised he says this in the vid. but lik, ive had this theory for 5 months already so im pretty sure i can say it.

  • @theodore9668
    @theodore9668 Год назад

    This was such an awesome video

  • @morganmarshall450
    @morganmarshall450 Год назад

    This is a fun take. Great show!

  • @BlackShogun
    @BlackShogun Год назад +1

    I was an XMen fan long before I even knew who the Avengers were, so I’ve become a bit impatient waiting on their McU intro

  • @GregDeocampoogle
    @GregDeocampoogle Год назад

    that was tons of fun. i think thought the claremont/byrne themes of the original storyy remain a rich context and have never been told in a cinematic style.

  • @theskyybay420
    @theskyybay420 Год назад

    18:50 had me crackin up

  • @Joan12cuba
    @Joan12cuba Год назад +1

    Xmens are gona be the next endgame level movie for Marvel. Even the F4 are not gona be strong enough to bring crowds back