How the X-MEN Can Join the MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE | MCU Mutants Explained
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The X-Men are coming to the MCU...eventually. Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness is about to introduce Professor Xavier to the Multiverse...but when will Wolverine, Deadpool, and the rest of the mutants join the biggest movie franchise in history? In this video, we spell out how Logan and the rest will connect to the greater MCU, and why their story should be told with a show...on Disney Plus.
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0:00 Professor Xavier in Doctor Strange 2
3:57 Mutants are Already in the MCU
5:39 Where Have the Mutants Been?
6:53 Magneto and Genosha
7:47 Thanos Snap Triggered the Mutant Gene
9:05 Justice for Cyclops
10:44 Why X-Men Should be on Disney+
12:12 X-Men VS Avengers VS Dark Phoenix
12:55 Bucky and Logan’s Shared History
13:54 Storm in Wakanda & Deadpool
15:21 What’s the Lineup of the X-Men?
#XMen #MCU #Wolverine
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness just introduced professor X in the MCU. It’s Patrick Stewart alright, though it’s unclear if this is the same Xavier from Fox’s X-Men movies or a completely new variant. So does this mean that the X-Men will be introduced in the MCU through the multiverse? Are those movies going to be part of the MCU’s canon, or is it going to be a soft reboot? Well, if Hugh Jackman is back as Wolverine, I’m game!
That being said… gotta be honest, I’m not sure if I’m a fan of mutants being introduced this way. There’s nothing wrong with it, it sure makes sense. But as cool as it sounds on paper, I have some doubts about it. I think that the Xavier in Doctor Strange 2 will only be a cameo, and the mutants already exist in the MCU, we just haven't met any of them yet. I know what you are thinking, but trust me, I got a theory. But if the X-Men are sharing the same universe with the Avengers, where are they?
I mean it’s like Marvel can just say that mutants have always been around, they were just hiding in that bush over there, right? Well… maybe that’s exactly how it will happen.
Marvel studios have proven that the simplest solution is almost always the best. Meaning that there’s no need for an elaborate explanation on where the mutants have been all of these years. Instead keep it simple, and focus on what matters - the characters. Maybe the mutants have always been around, we just didn’t know about them till they became relevant to the story.
Yeah, this might sound like a huge cop-out, but in reality, the thing people actually want to see is the X-Men interacting with the other heroes. We want the team-ups and the crossovers. We want to see Wolverine fight Hulk and Avengers vs X-Men. So, is it really necessary to explain how mutants join the MCU? Well, that’s why we made this video. So let’s talk how the X-Men will join the MCU, and more importantly how their stories should be implemented.
Here's the thing about the MCU, there are certain things that marvel studios doesn’t bother explaining, simply because there’s no need to. For example the 10 rings.
We know that they are ancient, very powerful, and that Xu Wenwu used them for hundreds of years. But we don’t know where the rings came from. Marvel didn’t bother to go into it, probably because that part wasn’t important for Shang-Chi’s story. Maybe they left it a mystery so they can go into it in the future, and explaining the origins of these magical artifacts would have detracted from the movie. Marvel puts their heroes in the forefront, it’s about their stories above anything else. Exposition is usually pretty boring, and non-comic fans, who comprise the majority of the audience, don’t really care about stuff like the origins of the 10 rings. If it’s not important to the heroes’ journey, then why should the audience even think about it?
It’s like when Marvel introduced the Masters of the Mystic Arts in Doctor Strange. No one bat an eye about the reveal that there are thousands of sorcerers in the MCU all of the sudden. Same with the Eternals, Spider-Man, magic users, Wakanda, Captain Marvel, Black Widow’s family, and everything else that expanded the MCU. It's just one of those things that happen in fiction, as stories develop, new elements will be naturally added over time. We shouldn't overthink these things too much. 
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Storm is the character they really need to do justice to.
Yes. And Kitty Pryde. And Rogue. And Gambit. And Cyclops. And Jean.
Ok, as a former collector from the Chris Clairmont days, 90% of Fox xmen were broken. I only like them because XMEN!!!!!
I need a real deal Storm where they tell you her origins and ACTUALLY USE HER NAME! Ororo munroe. In literally every movie they use everyone else’s names. But always just call her storm
she didn't do anything in the xmen movies shame.
@@elizabethn.491 it's easier to remember and pronounce I guess
Jubilee for me
Revealing Wanda as a mutant would be awesome…showing that mutants have been around the entire time, just unaware of their origins. If an infinity stone opened her potential as a mutant, then the snap would make sense as the way the X gene is activated in latent mutants.
yeah i agree the snap caused so many outcomes mostly bad people forget the consequences of tonys snap cause it was three snaps in total thanos the hulk and starks.
If I'm not mistaken they did that in episode 8 of wandavision when Agatha was telling her that she has had her powers since she was little and she was the one who stopped the stark bomb from going off
@@jalensingleton7929 At that time the MCU couldn’t use the word mutant, so they were careful with the reveal. But yes, that was our first clue.
There are no mutants in the MCU. They have purposely made sure that everyone's abilites are clearly explained.
She's a mutant.. has everyone forgotten Age of Ultron's Wanda/Quicksilver?
I've wanted to see a scene with Bucky or Steve and Wolverine where they are really confused that he's still alive because they didn't know he was a mutant
I would like to see a fight beetween the 2014 winter soldier and weapon x wolverine
I like the theory that we’re already in the midst of the ‘House of M’ storyline. The Wanda from another universe said “No more mutants” and wiped out mutants from multiple universes. Then, when this is reversed (Multiverse of Madness?), we’ll start to see where they fit into the storyline all along. Characters like Steve and Bucky might then remember meeting Wolverine, Xavier, etc. in the past. And we’ll see familiar scenes reshot with mutant involvement..
I like this idea better then X-men being a Disney+ show.
@@LPCrook I think a Disney+ show for specific X Men characters could be good but not an X Men show.
Yeah, this seems like the best way to do it. Otherwise mutants would need to be a new thing which wouldn't work as well.
That can be the easiest way to do it think the show could be called enter the Mutants. It would make so much scene than the snap causing it. I also like the theory that no Mutants actually ready happend.
Well, we’ve just seen that MCU Wanda can destroy a book across all universes.. so, this theory still stands :)
The Disney+ series, "Academy X."
Every episode could consist of an orgin story to an X-Men teammate and professor.
Finale episode could consist of a team up. Between team all to fight someone or something like the sentinels.
Introduce the core team and build through the MCU movies and shows.
Go from there...
I thought this as well, except i think each member should be given either two 1-hour episodes or three 45-minute episodes to flesh out their origin/beginnings and how they came to arrive at the X-mansion. Narratively, it can be like Boba Fett or Lost, where we see flashbacks to their origins while there is a current story going on. Finale can be an extended episode to deal with the villian they've been facing the whole season. Maybe the Hellfire Club? And then have a post credit scene for an upcoming villian like Mister Sinister to set up for a X-Men film.
The show ""Enter the Mutants"" I think it should be a show like what if, like on eposode with Logan, Bucky and Steve in Ww2 another one is Logan teaming up with Hulk aginst sabertooth, Jubilee telling the new requits about how she joined the x-men. I think that Profeser X, Storm, Jubalie,Cyclops Dawin and Magneto should be main I would make Wanda be the bridge between the show and the movies.
Love that
Infinity Stone energy being a catalyst for mutations was a key component of my theory. In my version, the potential of mutants was virtually nil, with a few exceptions. For example, since for the majority of human history in the MCU, only the Time Stone was on Earth. Who is to say that occasionally someone took it from the Sorcerer Supreme and became altered by its powers. This could account for long lived characters such as Apocalypse, Selene, and Mr. Sinister. Fast forward to the mid tenth century and the Tesseract is left in the care of the Norse. Exposure to its energies could have left inactive mutations that are passed along through the generations, occasionally becoming active under the right conditions. This could explain the origins of characters like Logan.
Moving on to WW2, Hydra exposed POWs from different nations to the Tesseract energy while they worked in their weapons factories, as well as direct human experimentation under Zola. After the war, the survivors would return home and pass these inactive mutations to their children, to their grandchildren, and so on with no obvious symptoms as an appropriate catalyst for mass activation had yet to appear. You might have the occasional activation, which could account for characters like Professor X, Magneto, and others.
Finally, we come to the Snap, and a wave of cosmic energy radiates across the world, and pre-adolescents with the X-gene become active, resulting in the first mass generation of mutants. Confused and afraid in the chaos of the Snap, these new mutants would turn to older mutants that step up as leaders of emerging factions, and thus the original X-Men and the Brotherhood are born.
Five years later, Hulk undoes the Blip, and the resulting wave triggers more X-gene activations, concentrated in the US due to Stark’s second Snap shortly afterwards. This causes secondary mutations in some existing mutants such as Emma Frost’s diamond form, Beast’s animalistic body, and so on, while dramatically increasing the potential mutant population with Tier 1 mutants from Stark’s Snap affecting children returning from the Blip, and Hulk’s Snap creating Tier 2 and Omega class mutants from those already active and/or in relatively close proximity to the epicenter.
That’s how I feel you could introduce mutants to the MCU in a relatively coherent manner.
I had a similar theory. Don't need a concentration in the US though. The X-Men comics only got good when they introduced international characters and they shouldn't shy away from that.
@@alexanders7569 Narratively having a large concentration of mutants in the US, particularly around NY state would be in keeping with having NYC be the epicenter of most superhero activity, also the fact that not only one, but two Snaps occurred within an hour of each other in the same location.
@@Gantros I understand your thinking, but the MCU is not quite so NYC centric. The X-Men comics as we know them today really began with Giant-sized which brought together mutants from around the globe
The proximity to the snap doesn't seem to matter to me, especially if they want to lean into the cosmic stuff.
this is a pitch meeting not a comment section with the quality
I had a very similar theory that magneto, prof x, and wolverine and apocalypse were people exposed to huge amounts of radiation, and the reason apocalypse is so powerful is because he was in contact with an infinity stone, but each snap caused more mutants and Wanda’s hex increased that even more
Well, I’m ok with mutants always being in the MCU…remember in Captain America 2, Hydra was targeting potential “dangerous” people who could pose a “threat” in the future according to Zola’s algorithm? I believe most of those so called “dangerous threats” were mutants. And they were keenly aware of the “new age of miracles” I pretty sure they meant mutants…they just weren’t legally able to say it at the time, lol.
videos like this are why i am subscribed, i love the cyclops love and the idea to focus on the xmen in tv. the animated xmen series were what brought me into the comic world and really want to see them done justice in live action
I appreciated you sticking up for Cyclops
I could totally see MCU Magneto loving Captain America, because as a child he may have believed Cap to be a mutant as well, a mutant fighting against the same people who hurt him.
This makes me think on how we'll never see Storm and T'Challa. RIP Chadwick.
same but maybe they can introduce a variant T'Challa played by a different actor
I always wanted to see Storm do more. After watching Halle Berry in John Wick Parabellum I realize she was totaly underused in the X-Men movies.
I think that the Professor Hulk was sort of wrong about the rules of time travel. He is right for Quantum Time Travel which I think was actually traveling to alternate Earths but if time travel is done with something like the Time Stone, or how it was done in Days of Future past then they can change the course of time. I also hope that we get it revealed that Magneto is Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's real father and their mom remarried and never told her kids because she died before she could. It could also be awesome to see Captain America free Magneto from his camp and he helps him and discovers his powers. They could also exist like the Inhumans do (assuming Agents of SHIELD is still cannon).
Excellent speech about Cyclops. I feel like people who share this view of Cyclops are the real fans because they know how integral he has been the the X-Men story. I’d go as far as saying he is the closest thing X-Men have to à main character since he has been a part of the x men story since the beginning and has always been pretty much leading the team since. No other mutant can make that claim.
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I said a really long time ago (circa. 2018) that what if the X-Men always existed in the MCU and even helped out during one of those avenger level threats, but Professor X just erased everyone's minds. I know it sounds bonkers.
Even the audience mind?
@@avgblueeyesenjoyer I mean, do YOU remember it? Case closed, True Believer.
So he erases everyone's memories every time a mutant is born or manifests powers? I used to think this was the best answer but it isn't feasible.
@@avgblueeyesenjoyer ForgetMeNot: "First time?"
I want Rogue to be done properly! Hopefully she’ll start as the bad guy in The Marvels movie. *fingers crossed!*
Yes!!! Justice for Cyclops, Storm, Roque, etc. and I agree about introducing them in a series rather than an immediate movie as X-Men
Maybe X-Men 97 is the series
"Just put the X-Men in everything"
Well... Perfect. Lol
this is one of your best videos bro... some solid ideas about origins and through-stories!
I think Wanda’s “ no more mutants “ already happened in another universe
Punctuation matters. No, more mutants.
@@soonerproud no it doesn't.
Sorry. No, it doesn't.
Commas. They’re powerful. Now, let’s eat Grandma.
@@soonerproud smd
@@soonerproud Wanda said "No more mutants" to delete the mutants. There wouldn't be a comma there.
I LOVE the idea of The X-Men being a well-planned multi-season D+ show. Maybe even with more than 6-8 episodes per season.
Great video! I love the 90s X-Men, such a Bad-A$$ intro! Be nice to see Gambit get some needed screen time/Backstory, he’s my favorite 🤟
X-Men and F4 absolutely should be Disney+ shows. Give F4 a Star Trek type of adventure show and like you said the X-Men should mirror the 90's show format.
Nah they have to have movies
Putting XMen as a series in Disney+ is going to drive those subscriptions out of the water. That’s brilliant idea.
I've said it again and again I want Deadpool to just show up, no context, he's just there all of a sudden. Picture this the avengers are having an argument right and it's getting really heated and then Deadpool just walks in with like a bowl of cereal eating with his mask still on or something. He's just looking back and forth at everybody and the audience and nobody acknowledges him. That would be a very Deadpool way to come into the mcu
That feels more of a Squirrel Girl thing. She is benign chaos personified. (But Wade/DP is also gonna show up in some capacity, no doubt in my mind.)
I think the way they used The Invasion in Avengers 1 and Thanos’ Snap to introduce other characters and future stories would be awesome to see as a plot device for X-Men. Maybe they can use the celestial like some of the leaks have tried to hint at.
Maybe they're all hidden in a island leaving in peace far away from humanity like wakanda or talocan.
Can't wait for the day when they show up in the MCU! It will come full circle from Feige's involvement of the first film back in 2000.
I still think Magneto should be revealed as Wanda and Pietro's father as he didn't want his children to live a life of constant danger around him, he left them at a care of a loving couple in Sokovia, similar to the comics
I hope it's as simple as: mutants have been around for a long time, but super rare. most got called witches or gods. but always 1 in a million. but all the cosmic energy lately has been activating x genes in massive amounts. maybe seeing the avengers inspired Charles to start his school and begin training a team of his own. when the show begins all these new mutants suddenly popping up makes him feel like his team is ready. maybe magneto is a 100 year old man with very mild magnetic powers who always kept it a secret but undergoes some process that increases his power and rejuvenates his body. perhaps an experimental shield project to try and return Steve to fighting form?
"This would make Magneto like 100 years old." *points at Cap & Bucky*
All excellent ideas Ryan!
It's clear you have given this a lot of thought and it would be amazing if Disney went this route.
Totally agree with this video on the harsh cinematic treatment of Cyclops (and add Storm in that category as well) and with the view of making any X-Men adaptation into a Disney Plus show. Like Ryan says, the X-Men have a vast array of characters (with their own complexities) that a film wouldn't do it justice (also the Normies who have watched the Fox X-Men films would probably A) not go to watch them because of last film and B) wouldn't realise that this an MCU X-Men film)
I think the easiest back story would be that there have always been mutants, but there were a lot fewer of them. That being the case, the ones with benign or otherwise unrecognized (hidden) powers wouldn't have been noticed and those with demonstrable or dangerous powers would end up in programs like Weapon X or in the care of a sympathetic person or group with the means to keep them hidden, like Prof. X. Being as there would be a lot fewer of them, and that most of them would be actively trying to stay out of the public eye, of course they wouldn't really be seen in the previous MCU plots, but if the snap/blip caused the right kind of stressors to activate the X gene in the larger population, it'd make it so that there were so many mutants that they could no longer be ignored.
The Lebowski clip is what finally convinced me to sub.
What do you think of our theories?
How? Mutants, like Wanda for example, have always existed. Very few in numbers, living in secret. With the Blip half the population was exposed to MASSIVE amounts of cosmic radiation, radiation that has been shown to alter genetics. Suddenly there is an explosive increase in individuals manifesting powerful mutations. There you go!
Btw the mutations due to exposure to the Infinity Stones aren’t always positive. Watch what happens to Jane Foster in Love and Thunder due to hosting one of the Stones for a while. Perfect setup over years of movies and tv shows. “Chef’s kiss”
Cosmic radiation OR even better, the sheer shock of seeing half of the planet's population beings snapped away triggered the x-gene on a global scale at the same time. We know mutant powers are usually triggered by high stress situations so this is perfect. We keep the essence of mutants while using events that have already happened in the MCU. We could also say the blip contributed to that and even the battle of New York. The world has experienced crazy things in a matter of less than 2 decades so it would make perfect sense for the mutant population to experience a boom at that time
It seems like people using the blip theory to introduce mutants don't seem to understand that mutants in the Marvel Universe have to be BORN with the X-Gene and that cosmic radiation mutating people wouldn't create mutants but instead make more of the enhanced humans that we've always been seeing since The Incredible Hulk.
The Fantastic Four were mutated by cosmic radiation and they're not mutants. Spider-Man was mutated by a spider bite. He's not a mutant. Captain America was mutated by a super soldier serum. He's not a mutant. Hulk's been mutated by a gamma bomb. He's not a mutant. She-Hulk was mutated by a blood transfusion with her cousin. She's not a mutant. None of the people who got powers from the Blip would qualify as mutants. The only mutants the Blip would create would be the ones that Thanos dusted who would be brought back with everyone else, and they already had their powers when they disappeared.
@@SeanWheeler100 Exactly, that's why if the snap had any effect on mutants it should be only as an emotional catalyst. You can't just create mutants or have cosmic energy activate their powers because it wouldn't make them different from Spider-man or The Hulk.
Both very correct. The Blip would have served as a catalyst that supercharged the X-gene already in them. A lot of them would’ve already existed but have been living in secret. Can’t keep a secret when a massive number suddenly get super charged all of a sudden.
I think if we reduce just to the basics, there are only 3 ways to introduce the xmen:
1. They are created in the present.
2. They were always here.
3. They are from an alternate universe.
At the end, each way has pros and cons.
For example stuff like wolverine being weapon x or magneto's past is hard to make sense with them being created now. On the other hand, if they were always here, it could have worked but it already just happened with eternals, (and in a lesser extent, the ten rings).
Personally, i think they being from another universe is the best idea. Mutant always are an allegory of rejected parts of society: blacks, jews, gays. If they arrive to our universe, it can work as an allegory for refugees. The main problem is that "refugee allegory" is kinda what marvel is doing with skrulls (and also, the flagsmashers).
The refugee allegory doesn't work for mutants because the whole point of their oppression is that they've always been part of humanity but never accepted. Making them refugees takes that away and gives too much sense to the hatred they experience. Bigotry is in essence irrational and to try to explain it with real life paralleles is very harmful. I say this as the daughter of immigrants, born and raised in a country where the far right has been on the rise for the last decade and where we're months from a presidential election.
Perfect rollout.. definitely should be a show
Its amazing to me how much i disagree with you when the video starts aginst how much im looking forward to what your suggesting once it ends.. you are the best at this.
I think it would make sense for them to do a reverse of the no more mutants, and for Wanda to activate the X gene that has been dormant in lots of people. This lets wolverine still have existed for years as you could say the experiment that coated his bones in adamantium activated his X gene
In the final scene of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
Wanda: "No, more mutants!"
Y'know, given Raimi, he would play that scene for full horror. People unaware they had the gene all of a sudden developing frightening powers. I'd love to see it.
Logan was born with bone claws and regenerative ability. His X gene was already activated and his mutant abilities was the reason he was selected for the adamantium experiment.
@@thevoicelesswriter I know I just struggle to think of another way it would work with Wolverine so I thought they could change it slightly so it's more similar to Deadpools origin in his film
Do we have to explain the introduction of the mutants? They don't need an origin story other than being born different. As for why they weren't in the previous films, it's because they deal with mutant-related matters. Thanos isn't a mutant, so it wasn't their business to help out.
Maybe it would be cool to tie it all back to the infinity stones and use the comic lore of humans, mutants, and Asgardians/gods being different ways of the celestials creating life, and you could say that humans, mutants, and Asgardians/gods were all created using the power of different infinity stones.
So they used the Soul stone to create humans/sorcerers which is why we have the sun, the sorcery is orange, etc. Like how MT from New Rockstars talked about in his video.
Then they used the Mind stone to create the Mutants which is why Wanda and Pietro were activated when they were experimented on by Hydra with the Mind stone. Maybe they just need contact with the Mind stone to have their X-gene activated, and now that the whole universe has been irradiated by the Mind stone twice everyone’s X-genes are activated, or at least all of the Earth based mutants.
And then Asgardians and other gods may have been created using all of the infinity stones together which is why they’re so powerful and can manipulate the universe so much. They would’ve been created first, but the Celestials decided that they were too powerful, so they decided that from then on they would only use one stone at a time to create life. So maybe there are other types of beings created using the time/power/space/reality stones. Like the dark elves from Thor 2.
Another top video, 👍🏼😎
Commentary is always awesome! Where did you go to school?
How else could mutants have already been in the MCU?
I like the "No, More Mutants" interpretation going around here. An inversion of the absolute calamity from House of M; one or two small vignettes of horror and awe as, one by one, people all around the world begin developing mutations - including an old man named Erik Lensherr, now physically renewed by the activation of his X Gene, and drawn to Wanda's cause. Raimi could pull it off, no question.
Thank You for saying this. Because it has what I have been saying the whole time. They are already here and the way you explain their absence from certain events is by showing that same event from their perspective. We have gotten a example of this in Endgame with the ancient one and in Hawkeye from Kate's perspective. There is no way in hell one can explain why EVERY freaking character in Marvel comics was not at the battle of New York or at the events of Endgame. First of all that movie would be long as hell, second of all Marvel did not have the rights to every character at the time and even if they did it would not be feasible to connect EVERY character to some event in the MCU just because a certain segment of the populace is too ignorant to comprehend this and wants an explanation to every damn absence.
i think its super easy to explain their absence but existence in the mcu. battle of ny, shield knew something was up, so only sheild folks were there. prof x could use that as his defining 'we need a team of mutants' but hadnt been established yet. nobody really knew where wakanda was in mcu timeline, and nobody knew thats where thanos would land. the way they right the plot only the people involved in its story know what is going on.
What id like to see is like i said above, prof x visiting the wreckage of nyc and vowing to start his own team to protect the world, maybe even visiting the avengers facility POST endgame and revealing himself to them in a sort of flashback and offering assistance, basically a 'hey, invite us next time'. that way their establishing a backstory and also explaining why they werent fighting.
Ryan, great video editing! Hilarious.. You should get a lunch with Disney and share these ideas.
Littlerally cheered when you went on you rant about Cyclops! Couldn’t agree more.
This is going to be their hardest tight rope they have to walk.
I feel no matter what they are going to disappoint some people but that’s just life.
If it’s me and I’m running marvel I would go with an updated version of their story. The ww2 thing just doesn’t work anymore because of time. Doesn’t mean you can’t change magnetos origins though and still make them sorta on a similar path. I agree with the idea you had about an updated version of a slave labor camp. It just makes more sense to fit into a movie/show that isnt going to debut till what…2023 at the absolute earliest but even then prob later.
I think people like us who follow channels like this don’t realize there are thousands of people out there who don’t know the comics like we do and they don’t care. They just want a good story to shove some pop corn down and wash it down with a coke.
To say magnet is a holocaust survivor but has kept himself “youthful” this whole time just adds in more questions then answers. Who does he do it? Is there a mutant on his side that stops aging? Did he somehow steal wolverines power/blood? Etc.
Just update the story for more modern times while clearly taking a nod from the horrible inspiration from which it came.
That way magneto still has a huge reason to hate the human species while feeling so entrenched to his mutantkind.
Then have them break out or escape and Eric has been hanging out at the island just waiting for the opportunity to bring mankind to his knees. It makes for a good reason why mutants didn’t get involved with thanos or ultron or New York.
The x men wouldn’t have been formed because Charles didn’t need to oppose magneto yet so there was no hero team. Once magneto rises to power and wants to extract his revenge then you can have Charles form the x men and that’s your movie/show.
Really there is no need to over complicate this or stretch what does and doesn’t work with the laws of time.
Deadpool is the easiest and should just be done in dr strange 2. Just pull him from his own universe that doesn’t have to connect at all with what’s going on with MCU mutants. One of his greatest super powers is breaking the 4th wall and that’s all you need.
He appears in dr strange 2 and just says “Jesus Christ that’s all I had to do to get into the mcu? Took fucking long enough” and that’s literally all you need from him.
Then in his movie it’s all about playing around in this new universe like he takes a tourist trip to avengers tower, sakovia, upstate new york. The entire time he can comment about how this was his fav action scene or set piece or whatever. He literally doesn’t even really need a reason he can just have a 3rd movie and in one sentence can explain how he’s here and just move on.
People wouldn't be disappointed if they remained objective and didn't plan for things to happen a certain way in their minds and just let these stories unfold how they unfold
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@@yoyomayne well that’s half the fun of being a fan isn’t it? Trying to predict where it goes or building up can fiction in your head.
The only time that becomes a problem is when you can’t distance yourself from your imagination and the truth of what actually comes out.
I’m one of the fans who likes them blending stories together to make one movie. Like I finally got around to reading the king in black series over the weekend and I really liked it but if they actually ever make a movie about it I hope they make some changes so I’m not just watching word for word beat for beat the same thing.
Like it was great in civil war when they gave us that iconic blaster against shield shot. That’s how I personally like it. Just enough nods to the source material and yet different enough to not be bored when I’m watching it.
@@yoyomayne well that’s half the fun of being a fan isn’t it? Trying to predict where it goes or building up can fiction in your head.
The only time that becomes a problem is when you can’t distance yourself from your imagination and the truth of what actually comes out.
I’m one of the fans who likes them blending stories together to make one movie. Like I finally got around to reading the king in black series over the weekend and I really liked it but if they actually ever make a movie about it I hope they make some changes so I’m not just watching word for word beat for beat the same thing.
Like it was great in civil war when they gave us that iconic blaster against shield shot. That’s how I personally like it. Just enough nods to the source material and yet different enough to not be bored when I’m watching it.
@@yoyomayne well that’s half the fun of being a fan isn’t it? Trying to predict where it goes or building up can fiction in your head.
The only time that becomes a problem is when you can’t distance yourself from your imagination and the truth of what actually comes out.
I’m one of the fans who likes them blending stories together to make one movie. Like I finally got around to reading the king in black series over the weekend and I really liked it but if they actually ever make a movie about it I hope they make some changes so I’m not just watching word for word beat for beat the same thing.
Like it was great in civil war when they gave us that iconic blaster against shield shot. That’s how I personally like it. Just enough nods to the source material and yet different enough to not be bored when I’m watching it.
If this is the case then a really good in point would be Deadpool or Wolverine, since their invincible Mutants their the only survivors of the Mutant genocide.
Yooooo i'm glad someone finally speaking up for my favorite xman
So much awesomeness!
The simplest origin : They are there and have been there the whole time, just in hiding. They are not traditional superheroes, they save mutantkind while helping mankind every now and then but from the shadows. Using cerebro and any telepaths they have in the field to hide themselves from prying eyes. This definitely can be done, if Vampires have been around all this time without being seen then a superpowered race with a memory altering machine definitely can be.
My theory is that the mutants have always existed and since the 70s or 80s Xavier has had his team since they were teens. Every time there is a mutant event in the 80s,90s and 2000s the X-MEN would save the day then Xavier with cerebro would wipe humans minds who witnessed the events so the mutants always stayed under the radar, sometime after the snap there is an event that takes Xavier out and then mutants and xmen are exposed to the world... jus my idea
Yeah but doesn't that go against Prof. X's ideal of human and mutant coexistence? That's so at the core of the character that I don't think those actions would make sense for him. I agree with the memory erasure part, I just don't think it should have happened regularly or even several times and especially not done by Prof. X.
@@RicardoPetinga I agree with you 💯 bout that which why I think it would be such a kicker to find out he troubles himself with that dilemma but does it for the sake of peace and when he is out of the picture and that gets explained to the avengers/ worlds heroes that with be a ethical dilemma to discuss and solve
Cuz i agree there would be a world wide objection to that if it got found out
The problem with this theory is there are some mutants who have existed long before Xavier was born. You have Wolverine and Sabertooth fighting in every war for 100 years which begs to question why weren't they in Captain America: The First Avenger? Magneto should've been in that movie too because he was a child when he was held prisoner at the Nazi concentration camp. Then, you have Apocalypse building the pyramids in ancient Egypt so it makes no sense that there's no knowledge of him at all because there should be bibles and history books written about him. Plus, he should've been in the Eternals film since they would've crossed paths with him.
Erasing people's memories of these guys will be futile since there are already videos and books documenting their existence.
@@loudboy317 well with the older mutants can be explained that Apocalypse is still hibernating, Kang has covered his tracks after his uprising... Sinister is in the Shadows, the Savage land hasn't been discovered, we didn't see magneto cuz the captain movie only showed one cap of power get saved... there are plenty more to go back too which could re introduce hydra in magnetos backstory, wolverine and sabertooth were in the Canadian army and who knows where they were during the war (prob arguing the Italian army with niether side actually fighting 🤣) but there can be explanations
Man, you let me excited for the future
Your pitches are so good man. Marvel should hire you to write a screenplay ;)
Or you need a crossover with Ryan's pitch meeting.
Wolverine and Spiderman are my favorites. I need that team up. ASAP!!!
Yeeess! You’re absolutely right, the X-Men having a Disney + series would make much better sense and do the franchise way more justice than just a movie. Marvel/Disney has to consider that majority of its fans discovery was from the animated series. They could tell a lot more stories, missions, and origins through a series better as the animated version did!
I would be happy with a new animated series, animated like What If?, having it all be canon to the MCU and have the people who will eventually be in the live action stuff, do the voice acting roles for their animated character. And after a season or two, start introducing some of the main characters into live action films/shows, while continuing to do the animated series for awhile!
My only thing with them always being there, I can’t imagine Magneto being this quiet. He’d definitely be more vocal. Especially after the snap.
Cyclops was always my favorite as a kid - glad there’s still love for him out there!
It should absolutely be a show. With every episode introducing a different mutant and the 3 groups searching for them. Xavier, Eric and the government. So each episode would end with one of the 3 showing up to claim that mutant or ask that mutant if they want to come with them.
I think they should slowly introduce some of the X-Men (not all of them) before their movie/show. Storm definitely in Black Panther. It's possible that even Nakia can be the MCU Storm. Professor X can be in Dr Strange, Wolverine can be in one of the upcoming Disney plus shows, etc. Also, I would LOVE to see Magneto as Wanda's dad. I've always had a fascination for the Maximoff family. And technically, we didn't see her parents actually DIE in the flash back in WandaVision.
That Cyclops tribute was beautiful, man.
A Wolverine vs Hulk Disney+ series would-be killer. I loved that comic! I would love to see more X-men live-action series on D+ as well!!!
100% agree with you about hiw shabbily Cyclops has been treated in the Xmen films.
Make it a show, but an origins show for each member. The first 3 episodes could be about Cyclops' origin, then the next 3 episodes could be about Storm's origin, and so on. Make the final episode an extra long episode about all of them coming together to defeat a villain like Sebastian Shaw. It can end with a tease for a X-men movie. Mister Sinister?
There is so much potential left in the MCU. It will be a decade before we feel like we’re bleeding it dry again. Shame on those who doubted where the story will go next.
You are making me excited about the X-Men coming to the MCU.
Now this is a theory I like.
Some very good ideas in this video. I agree that it should play out that mutants have always been here but just in hiding.
You hit the nail on the head! Definitely needs to be Disney+ series instead of movies initially, maybe a movie or two later.
Also he realizes that x men 97 is coming out soon on Disney plus right? Literally all of their backstories could be in that show. Definitely for avengers against x men. Great vid Ryan
2 Things. On mutants (specifically magneto) Just make mutants age slower than humans. So every year for us is about 6 months for them. Then you can have all the characters and their originals origins in tact without breaking continuity.
And second, Cyclops is EASILY the most underrated X-Man. He was always my second favorite. Dude can fight like Cap, and had no problems fighting dirty if the situation calls for it.
Simplest solution is always the best? That didn’t work well with “Somehow, palpatine returned”
I personally think Storm's complex character and godlike powers were much more underrated and pushed in the background in the past movies than Cyclops, but your right...there are some very compelling characters that are really shafted by the previous films.
Totally agree with you about cyclops! Fox did him totally wrong! Here’s hoping MCU gives him his respect 💯💯
It took until like most of the way though the hideo but I actually dont hate this idea anymore. Well done
Maybe they could work something into the blip affecting too much off the "staff" at Genosha which gave the mutants there enough scope to break out. Those that broke out could then come back after the Tony snap to release those mutants who remained. Might be a bit convoluted though.
Excellent as usual and yeah the XMen are definitely TV worthy. They are an awesome way to keep things on earth and in space
hell yeah we should get a big Cyclops push in the MCU. Adding on to what you said about him in this video, the entire Summers family saga could be multiple series worth of stories that stretch from the cosmic levels all the way back to earth with Sinister
In the original comics, there have always been a very small number of mutants, but they only increased in number after nuclear testing. This is what I think is going on. I think that very few mutants have existed in the MCU - maybe as few as Prof X, Magneto, Apocalypse, Selene, Shadow King, Wolverine, Destiny and Mystique and a few others (maybe go for twelve because that’s a number with meaning in the mutant timeline) - mostly in the background, but able for a few people to turn up in period shows. And then the snap kicks things up and mutants start to appear more rapidly, and this idea that your kids could appear as mutants starts to freak people out. And then it’s like a literal thirty year arc towards millions of mutants and Krakoa etc.
You make me think about xmen should be a series, it is a really great idea
Love the Wolvy/Bucky pitch
100% agree on cyclops, he is at the heart of every great X-men story and characters, dark phoenix, madelyne pryor, cable, Apocalypse. An X-men TV show is the way to go right now, rich in story just dive in, we all know it by now.
BUT if they were to do a film again, I always felt that they need to look to the films of Robert Altman, films like Gosfard Park and Short cuts, where they tackle several interesting characters intertwining with one story, step away from a linear narrative. Don't just pull focus on wolverine, go deeper into each individual character because there is so much story to every single X-man.
This guy gets it!!
This was really good. And I agree accident should definitely be a show that every now and then crossover with the big movies. X-Men does have very in-depth storytelling to tell about the individual X-Men the villains of X-Men and not to mention the morlocks.
I also agree that it should already start off with the X-Men originals plus the other Professor Xavier have picked up. And a source of contention between magneto and Xavier could definitely be that magneto believes that him and Professor Xavier should’ve went to the island and save those mutants but professor Xavier was trying to do a diplomatically and obviously it failed. Or maybe professor Xavier was going to go for armored in and then it failed.
Bishop needs his own solo movie and video game
I have to say I really like most of your ideas, especially doing a Disney+ series for a couple seasons with the 90s X-Men cartoon being a basis but changed a bit for more MCU continuity. Also could have the first season like X-Men evolution with the younger mutants like Cyclops and Jean just coming of age to fight along side the older X-Men in more local or secret operations to save mutants and keep the world unaware of their powers. Cyclops power involves using portals from other universes/dimensions, like how sorcerers use power from other universes/dimensions? Hmm, I can see a tie in already for the MCU to touch on in a season. Also could be fun to see a live action Land of the Lost, Jugernauts full story with his brother Charles, throwbacks of Wolverine and his past leading up to fighting the Omega Red, Cyclops story, Dark Phoenix and other aliens, Rogue getting her bad ass powerup, Colossus and his sister's story, Morph or Beast, so many locations and groups to visit that would be cool to see like the Morlocks or Moira's lab, Mystiques kids, so many ideas to run a show for a few seasons at least to build up some amazing characters and also do it while the actors are younger so they can make the surviving members part of the final phase. But begin it all like you said with a small team, maybe only one or two are competent at one or two tasks so they're sloppy and humorous to begin with but they grow and mature as the seasons go along and as they collect more members, until they need to have a standoff with the Avengers or Shield and have a feature movie of the fight.
I do like the idea of the snap, blip, or the memory spell as a catalyst but my personal favorite in stealing from House of M and Wanda gets her kids by changing the universe and being manipulated by Mephisto or Nightmare. Maybe that mutants have been on earth, they just were either very quiet about existing for fear of certain groups throughout time who tried to extinguish them since Kang or Apocalypse put the fear in a cult of religious zealots like Moon Nights Harrow has under his command. Maybe that's something Hydra also practiced and they piggybacked on Nazis so they could find more mutants to study them, which is why they could have made a Cap-cicle out of a young Magneto who was later awoken when they needed someone to deal with someone who has a ton of metal in their bodies like Wolverine or the Winter Soldier but he disables the programming chip they tried to control him with. Magneto then rebels and flies to his Asteroid and begins saving mutants there, while some end up in Genosha, and the rest hide in fear of what could happen if they're found out.
The reason I really like that House of M and the Darkhold/manipulation idea is to get the universes combined is then it's easier to bring in more supernatural characters that Mephisto or Nightmare interact with like Ghost Rider and gives more potential targets for a Midnight Sons show or movie.
Omgg!! Wolverine vs Winter Soldier would be AWESOMEEEE!!!
A friend of mine theorizes that We’re already in the No more mutants timeline and that this will be us finding out and reverting back to a timeline with mutants
Archangel was always a favorite of mine & he always got portrayed very poorly on screen. It'd be awesome to see him done right!
I kinda like the ultimate universe explanation in that they where born out of the super Solider experiments
GREAT idea to make the X-Men into a show. The problem with every single X-Men movie, no exceptions except for maybe Logan, is that the mutant world is far too big so that no characters can be explored in depth (as you said). This leads to us not caring about anyone too much. Their villains are also way too powerful so they have to be defeated in these "gotcha" moments using the POWER OF TEAMWORK! A show would let us explore not only the X-Men but their villains as well, leading to meaningful conflicts that actually satisfy us.
Thank you!!! Cyclops is awesome and they miss treated him so much in the Fox movies!!!!
2:10 What a segway into the publicity!! Auch! My neck!
Should we tell him that he already did a Magneto was right video or let him make another one because we'd still eat it up anyways? Lol
I’m so excited for what the MCU has in store for us to indulge in the near future. May can’t come soon enough to finally see what delights Doctor Strange: In The Multiverse of Madness has to offer and how it will change the MCU forever.
I’m really excited to see the X-Men getting involved with the mainline, especially seeing Spider-Man’s interactions with them because in the comics people assume he’s a mutant very often so he gets lumped into that team, at least socially. Also some of his best superhero friends are in the X-Men (IRC)
I think also saying that Xavier’s school has been around and teaching mutants, and that the actual X-Men team just wasn’t made until the blip or just wasn’t extremely active so nobody noticed them/thought they were any different from regular mutate superheroes like hulk or Spider-Man
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