DOCTOR STRANGE in the Multiverse of Madness: Ending Explained! | POST CREDITS Breakdown
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Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness gave us a twisted, gore-filled journey through the Marvel Multiverse. The film was filled with MCU Easter Eggs, but the ending left us with a HUGE cliffhanger and tease for what is about to come next. We explain who Charlize Theron is playing, what she wants with Stephen, and how it fits into the MCU's next big Crossover, SECRET WARS.
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The ending of Doctor Strange in the multiverse of madness raises so many questions about what’s next for Stephen and the MCU. Who is Charlize Theron playing and how is she connected to what comes next? Where did she and Strange go? And how does this lead into whatever is next for the MCU?
We’ve got answers. First of all, remember that Strange had to use the Darkhold in order to dream walk and stop Wanda from killing America Chavez. The darkhold kind of psychically poisons the people who use it. It turned Agatha into an energy vampire, made Sinister Strange, well-sinister-and the dark hold had this magical ability to erase wanda’s arc in wandaVision. She went form being okay with her grief, to suddenly obsessing over finding her kids i the multiverse-and this was after she used the darkhold.
So stephen uses the Darkhold ever so briefly, but it still leaves a bit of its dark power inside him-hence his new third eye. Using the Darkhold causes an incursion. This is when two universes bump up next to each other, causing one to end. This is why Charlize theron shows up in the post credits and offers to fix the incursion with him. She is playing Clea, and that is a very, very big deal.
We got to talk about what this all means for the movie, and more importantly what this is setting up in the future. Because you can’t forget about Kang the Conqueror and the impending multiversal war. And the events of the movie are setting up that event for the future.
So let’s dive into the movie’s ending, talk about who Clea is, and what does all of this mean for the future of the MCU.
So the Multiverse of Madness revealed that incursions are caused in part by dream walking. Whenever a person dreams, they experience events from their other selves from other universes.
So using the Darkhold like this ultimately leads to the collision of universes and the destruction of a reality. But it’s an important distinction that incursions are only caused by using the Dark hold. The dark hold is an unnatural power. Whereas America Chavez can travel between universes without causing incursions because her power is natural.
Marvel might retcon this, because illuminati mr fantastic kinda says that by stephen traveling the multiverse he might create an incursion. So I guess it’s kinda like creating new timelines in Loki. Look, if I’m being honest the movie does a pretty poor job in explaining how incursions are actually created. So I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future Marvel will just say that every multiversal travel has a risk of creating incursions, that will probably simplify things.
Now Marvel comic fans loved hearing the word “incursion” because they are a key part of the storyline Secret Wars-and that’s probably where the MCU is heading.
I’m going to talk about Clea, but first, I have to explain incursions and secret wars. I am so excited to see this play out on the big screen. So the incursion was a huge event in the comics, that came to an epic culmination in Time Runs out and Secret Wars.
The way incursion works in the comics is that universes begin to collide and destroy each other. This leads to a war between some universes. That happened in the story Time Runs out. But eventually the multiverse did collapse, and that was the end of everything. And that’s Secret Wars.
And this is where the MCU is heading after the events of multiverse of madness.
So in the credits scene, Clea shows up, played by Charlize Theron.
She tells Stepehn that he created an incursion, and now they're gonna fix it.
So who is Clea? In the comics she’s a very powerful sorceress, and she was also Stephen’s lover and wife at one point. Clea originates from the Dark Dimension. Yes, THAT Dark Dimension. We do see a hint of the dark dimension inside Clea’s portal. And by the way, she’s actually Dormammu’s niece. Something that I’m sure is going to change in the MCU. Because I doubt that This Dormammu has a family. 
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@@Ashl3yxx29 Wanda killed everyone
The music fight and basically the whole third act sucked
@@Ashl3yxx29 If a movie comes out on a Friday, there are Thursday afternoon showings.
Disney went straight satanic
No. We need a video on the final post credits scene. Bruce campbell hitting himself is the most important part of the movie. Did he actually take all that time hitting himself? How did he eat? And drink? Did he sleep?
Bruce Campbell having hand trouble again.
It's over
'The guy hitting himself'
It's Bruce Campbell ! C'mon ! It's Raimi's cameo of choice !
@Mauro exactly lol
It’s just Bruce Campbell Sam Raimi uses him for cameos.
They did specifically say this, but I think the darkhold purposefully made Wanda dream of her kids every night to drive her crazy. They say it corrupts people, but not how. In her case, having just starting to accept her grief, making her dream of her kids every single night could easily push her over the edge.
I have a similar theory too. The Darkhold played her. At the end of WandaVision she heard her children crying out for her, but we never see them actually in danger until 616 Wanda shows up and starts fighting 838 Wanda. When 616 Wanda realizes she was the threat to them all along, she stops and understands the Darkhold needs to be destroyed.
and we’ve seen that wanda is easily unstable, so it was even easier to make her insane
See, I saw it as a step further. Agatha infiltrates Wanda's hex to manipulate her. She believes its to absorb Wanda's powers, but I think the Darkhold tricked Agatha into it, so the Darkhold could get a more powerful user. Agatha manipulates Wanda into creating children, so that he grief can be transferred from Vision who is dead to her children who are real, in the multiverse. I think the entire plot and arc of WandaVision was all the Darkhold's manipulation.
That was my theory too
aswell when the loki’s killed He whos remains the end of wanda vision wands starts to hear the voices of he children.
I'm really hoping this isn't the last time we see John as Reed Richards. I hope he can play another variant in the upcoming fantastic four film.
what comics do i read that lead up to time runs out and secret wars
This was them introducing the fantastic four and X-Men into the MCU without having to have already introduce them. You know that these are merely variants and they exist in other universes, now we just have to wait til their actual titles come out, at least that's the hope
@@neo1675 read Hickmans fantastic four run. Followed by his avengers and new avengers. Look up an issue by issue guide though because it flips back and forth between avengers and new avengers in the timeline. Most importantly, enjoy it. Literally the best Marvel comic run as far as I’m concerned.
He said he has a kid,so probably his kid will continue Mr.Fantastic's legacy
Doctor strange saying to Reed “didn’t you guys chart in the 60s” makes me think they’re actually gonna set it in the 1960s in the MCU
I enjoyed how quickly the illuminati was taken out, it really showed how powerful wanda had gotten ,and the brutality showed how determined she was to reach her goal. Also the fact it wasn't in our 616 universe means we will still have those characters.
100 percent
Considering only a handful of non celestial or true God like characters are as strong or stronger then the scarlet witch, I'm happy they finally showed just how much of an absolute menace she truly is in the MCU
@@danielbrowning3715 Agree. We also have confirmation that Franklin Richards (probably) exists in the MCU. If he is even close to his power in the comics, then he would give Wanda a run for her money ez.
@@landrysaathoff2418 if he indeed exists at the level he did in the comics lol not much at all can stop him from doing what he wants 🤣
I too am grateful she dispatched them with ease. I also love that each of those deaths were quick and a bit brutal. It really captures how powerful she truly is.
I think I have an idea of how incursions are done, it's when two people of the same universe interact. The reason why America can travel to other dimensions without causing trouble is because she's THE ONLY ONE IN THE UNIVERSE like she said.
That the exact same thing I was thinking
In comic doctor doom started the incursions
Do you mean two of the same people from different universes?
isn't incursion is the same as nexus event?
@@namasayafern it’s different
Anson Mounts performance as Black Bolt was mindblowing.
I see what you did there, bravo.
🤣
You can say Maria Rambeau crushed it
Captain Carter is cap’s significant other, some could say she is the other half
John Krasinski really expanded his range as an actor
I LOVED seeing Wanda battle it out and be creepy in this film. It was so much fun. The end where she topples the building on herself felt kinda...off. She could've destroyed it and walked away. It felt like because she was the villain she had to get some "punishment".
Well it’s not totally off , I agree that she could have done that but at the same time when you are mind broken and realized how far you went with your actions, you don’t want to face the consequences and the way she acted was basically just that, running away of the situation, but as we see it she is most probably not dead since she destroyed every dark hole in every reality.
She is not dead yet, she can’t be. Would love to see her working alongside strange in upcoming movies or multiverses wars
She probably wanted to die but my theory is that Chton took her. She clearly teleported away, but maybe not by her own choice.
@@tarundeepsinghsodhi471 yeah I agree that she can't be dead yet. I wont have it! I feel Marvel is being more careful with where they end their characters so in other movies fans can't say "well why aren't they calling this Avenger to help?"
she killed herself because she became a monster and she realised that
Dr. Steven Strange has a photographic memory and instant recall this is what makes him such a Genius, and where I see a theory...
Wanda might have been able to reach throughout the multiverse and destroy all the physical copies of the Darkhold, but one last copy remains inside the memory of Dr. Steven Strange. Strange read the Darkhold and knowing Strange he likely read the entire Darkhold while it was in his possession looking for the spells that would allow him to dream walk into Defender Strange's corpse. Strange's ego will never allow him to delete his own memory of the spells contained in the Darkhold because they may have use in the future. And he knows better than to re-write the Darkhold in the fear that it falls into the wrong hands. So now the last remaining Complete Copy of the Darkhold lies within Dr. Strange's mind. Festering and growing stronger, feeding off of Strange like a parasite.
Wabout the book of vishanti ? What if it's also just a copy like the darkhold ?
Well said, but we don't know for certain if the Darkhold corrupts its user by contact or only when its spells are actually cast. If he is simply containing the knowledge without casting spells, perhaps he is not any the worse for it.
@@petiewheat82 hm , I guess it's when the darkhold's spells casted . But I also concerned , why did when Wanda have the darkhold and casted the spells but she doesn't got the third eye like Dr Strange do ?
@@purple-moon-ofc because Wanda is the scarlet witch meaning when the dark hold had possession of her it immediately knew it was the scarlet witch In the making but dr strange being more mortal I think gave him that eye to represent the dark hold it’s self inside him
@@petiewheat82 I think it depends on who is reading it. On the show Agents of Shield, the DarkHold had blank pages to some people, and full of text to others
the third eye is not only from time runs out, in the really old comicbooks, the third eye appeared when stephen used the eye of agamotho, allowing him to see the "real nature of things"
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Agreed, plus... those eyes
He really is👏🏾👏🏾
Like thighs crushing my head 😫
Ryan should be a writer for marvel 😆
Since the darkhold was destroyed I think it's possible now for Dr strange to actually control the third eye, before Wanda took everything down the others were all bound to evil
Great point !
I was really caught off guard with the whole dream thing. I mean, that is just really cool. I've had so many dreams in my life where I'm in some place I didn't recognize and/or surrounded by people I don't recognize, so that really resonated with me.
Theres a possibility that the illusions Wanda gave Stark were all different universes, each time Tony had a nightmare about him dying in space to stop Loki, or Loki taking over, or Thanoss killing everyone. All of those may of been dreams into universes where he fails. Wanda may of tried to do something basic like give him nightmares without yet knowing that dreams are connected to the multiverse.
My variants are getting much more action with the ladies than I’m getting, that’s for sure.
@@pooloftim8263 😂😂😂
Same!!!
Everything the movie talks about has some truth to it…”dream walking” aka AP or lucid dreaming…portal shaped like a star “star gate”…and yea this movie talked about some deep shit
With the whole dreaming stuff wouldn't that mean Tony's dreams where different realities?
yes that’s so true
That’s the simplest explanation
Good call! That's quite interesting
Thors dream in age of ultron too
Yes that is correct all of our dreams are like that. It’s all within. A dream is apart of the multiverse which 100% exist.
Can we all agree that the best cameo in the movie was the 90s animated X-Men theme that played during Xavier's intro?
Felt forced like the rest of the movie
I'm torn between the theme song and Bruce Campbell fighting his hand again.
@@SoApost yeah, the movie was forced, in what way?
@@srachar like it was done with reshoots...poor lighting, rushed dialog, and a mediocre battle that lasted less than 5 minutes
@@nothx512 What? You do understand that you need to end it quick when it comes to someone like scarlet witch cause if you don't she will, also, this was one of the best looking movies
I just loved how they casually glossed over the existence of beings from an afterlife.
I like how Marvel showed us alternate versions of Reed and Kang at first, having them killed and reminding us the Main ones will appear in the Future.
what comics do i read that lead up to time runs out and secret wars
I don't understand why so many people appear to agree with you.. Where did you get a reminder that the Reed you saw would be reappearing ..
@@intothefrayyo is there any evidence showing that he won’t return? It’s pure speculation but it makes sense to think that it’s gonna be the same guy
@@asonia5514 Okay sure.. but uh you might want to take another view at this thread.. that's not what Arren was talking about.. nor was the question I posed
I hope they get a better actor for the Reed Richards. Looked like Jim from the office in a Halloween costume
After having watched Agents of SHIELD and The Runaways, seeing the Darkhold get destroyed was absolutely amazing.
One of the worst marvel movies
@@gdb4850 ???
It was a great feeling. This movie checked almost all the boxes for me
@@manosmav6528 It was all about wanda. It had a lot of potential and they took a weird turn.
@@gdb4850 true that.
This is the first movie i have seen before there were any ending explained or easter egg videos were out on youtube
Low key feel bad for Wanda she’s been done wrong since the beginning I also like the horror aspect of the movie they should do that again
Only channel that’s really needed when discussing the MCU and it’s newest editions. Love your breakdowns, editing style, and little quips you throw in here and there.
Yo, been watching your videos almost 2 years and I can’t thank you enough for the explanations when I felt confused. You’re great
I was hoping Clea would be on MCU for a long time. And I am satisfied that it really happened.
That casting is spot-on, too.
@@Luneowl yeah they got the perfect actress! They brought Charlie Theron to the MCU!!
If the Illuminati is any indication, she might not be in it that long
I think Clea would be the Sorcerer Supreme of both earth and dark dimension after Strange death. Strange will be dead tho fo sho, coz it is in the comic
They turned Scarlet Witch into Carrie The CHAOS MAGIC QUEEN. THAT'S COLD WANDA 😂. SPOILER ALERT EVERYONE.
Charlize Theron as Clea is DOPE 👊😎.
It's definitely a good movie I just didn't like the story all that much. Wanda looks and is amazing and terrifyingly powerful in this she's OP ASFLIP but Strange is kinda nerfed even from the trailers you see that. I'd have liked to have seen Dr Strange bargain with Galactus, Mephisto or The Living Tribunal. THIS MOVIE IS EPIC. It was great to see The Illuminati especially CAPTAIN CARTER HOTTIE, Black Bolt, John Krasinski's Reed Richards and Professor Charles Xavier but they got KILLED LIKE THAT but don't hope for the possibility of The Living Tribunal judging Dr Strange, Wanda and other cosmic Multiversal level threats in the MCU it would've been DOPE 😎💯. I don't know why people are in denial that Wanda as The Scarlet Witch could ever be a villain she literally had it in her to help Ultron take out The Avengers. I'M HYPED FOR THOR LOVE AND THUNDER IT'S GOING TO BE EPIC ⛈️ 👊❤️. I can't wait to see Dr Strange teaching Wanda to control her Scarlet Witch magical abilities but they'll grow beyond a cosmic level threat beyond even Dr Strange's magic. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
This movie was incredible. Fantastic cinematography, brilliantly creative & intense fight scenes, and an emotional tight, focused narrative. A lot of people are disappointed by the cameos not being a huge part of the movie or confirming the X-Men fox universe as canon, but they served their purpose wonderfully. Champions we recognize to be destroyed by Wanda and raise the stakes of the movie. It's great that they didn't take over and make the whole movie about them. The Dr. Strange movie was able to remain a movie about Dr. Strange and not be Avengers 5
TRUTH SPOKEN!!!!!!
The trailer was pretty misleading tbf.
No one was expecting an Avengers movie, but we were expecting to see some serious Multiverse shit with massive, emotional moments like in No Way Home and characters that would blow our minds. We didn’t really get any of that. The movie boiled down to Strange vs Scarlett Witch.
And where tf was Superior Iron man (Tom Cruise)? He was on of the Illuminati’s founders.
One more thing, when a sentry was dying he said “ultron commands...”, so there is a successful ultron in universe 838 and maybe an iron man too.
Ishan Kapoor just get over that tin box already and your fanboying too.
I think reed created him here
@@TheCoogs76 Yeah Reed Richards is the person who orginally made Ultron in the comics if Im remembering correctly. So he most likely made Ultron in that universe.
@@EstrelSidus the original ultron was made by pym I think
@@TheCoogs76 Yeah youre right. I guess every smart Marvel character has made Ultron at some point in Marvel history. Pym was the original creator though 😅
I would give Dr Strange Multiverse of Madness a 8.5/10. I definitely enjoyed it, but I felt that it would be more interesting if most of the characters had showed more. For example Defender Strange kinda died fast and I must say I love the blue magic he is using. It would be cool seeing all the strange fighting as well. This movie was hyped yet sad. Sad not because it was a bad movie. When I saw the members of the illuminati I got chills (In a good way). But I was sad and disappointed that they died real fast. After I walked out of the cinema I was still trying to collect my thoughts. Wasnt really able to stomach the killing, slicing, shredding, impaling. The ending and first credit left me a bit confused. For the second one, I would say its worth yet not worth the wait. It leaves you with a bit of a laugh when you get it but you will also get the 'bruh' feeling. Overall, I would watch this again.
Dude that last end credit seen was so mean. Like it was pretty funny and a gotcha moment, but I was like bruh they really made us sit here for that. Like they knew people would wait so they were like let's fuck with em😂
Although the Illuminati were killed quickly and I was disappointed about it, that's just a variant of them. So all those characters shown are alive and in 616 "our" universe
SAME. It hurt the route they went with our girl
@@robshnob123 The end scene was just like the one in Spider-Man: Homecoming
Sure did get that bruh feeling 😂
I love the fact that marvel has been preparing is for secret wars, like heros fighting heros in age of Ultron, and Also all the heros of the same reality fighting together in end game
the plan coincides with Disney Acquiring Fox
what comics do i read that lead up to time runs out and secret wars
Awesome explanations and overview. Some of the snippets cracked me up. Thank you
Love all your work btw
Thanks for this insightful video! Can't wait to see what happens next!
Just came home from the premiere in my country. Damn, watching Disney+ shows sure payed of :) Movie left huge impression that something really big is in the future of MCU
Be gone disney bot
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I'm pretty sure using the Darkhold to dreamwalk... and "staying too long in another universe" is what actually causes an incursion.... not just using it. Agatha was using it. Wanda had been using it since the end of WandaVision. No incursions for the MCU until Strange cast his memory spell. I don't think it was Strange's first encounter with Dormammu in the Dark Dimension either, since that was another "dimension" and not another "universe" (same with the Mirror Dimension). And the Ancient One had been in contact with the Dark Dimension before Strange also without any incursions. We'll have to see how they decide to spin it.
I think Wanda bringing about the destruction of every Darkhold in every universe, plus herself as that caused the incursions more than strange dream walking, similar to the Beyonders‘ plan in the comic to “detonate” every molecule man and cause the same result
Awesome! Thank you, so much, Ryan. 🙏🏻
Doctor Strange: Secret Wars isn’t gonna hit right for me unless Dr.Doom is properly established by first
Also I don’t think just snapping destabilizes the universe but atomizing the stones most likely does. Every universe Thanos destroyed the stones in is fucked
Bingo! We are at least 10 movies away from the secret war
It will definitely be a Phase 5 movie and be an Avengers movie. We got hella people to build up
Fantastic four movie next year….
@@dillingergaroutte1502 I forgot, it’s the last of Phase 4
Still need Owen, Molecule Man....
Awesome theories buddy...jus love your videos😍😍
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One of your best vids. GJ
I think the third eye thing will basically be a plotline where Strange will have to fight off his personal demons. I don't mean this as a joke, but perhaps get our old Marriage stealing pal Mephisto involved to be someone to tempt Strange. As for Battle World, I do agree that it would be a great way to create a new status quo. I think it will allow for a new amalgamated world where disney can retcon in some stuff like "Mutants were a thing the whole time".
Something just occurred to me right now at 11:15 at night. We are likely getting Namor, and are getting the X-Men and Fantastic Four in the (relatively) nearish future. What if Strange, realizing that the incursions are bigger than he can deal, decides to put together a team that is willing to do whatever is necessary to protect the world and is willing to go further than the Avengers... And create a 616 version of the Illuminati. Have them film a bunch of post credit scenes that show how they are working behind the scenes to try and stop the incursions
There's still the question of the power source the Ten Rings were emitting at the post-credit stinger of Shang-Chi.
I thought this was going to relate to comic called Spellbound (where there was a cloak, a book, and Conversion Bands of chaos and order....similar to Strange's cloak, Wanda's DarkHold, and Shang-chi's 10 rings)....but things didn't factor like i expected.
So, maybe the 10 rings are their own thing. But, instead of being related to an interdimensional demon wizard, they're a beacon to something out in the multiverse.🤷🏾♂️
Sam raimi made a badass comic/ horror Flick. Kudos to him. What a great film to setup the future of the multiverse! I'm so stoked.
The reason America can travel the universes safely and Strange cannot is that there is only one of her. So anywhere she shows up she doesn't cause another universe to get pulled in. She doesn't seem to know it, but like the comics she's probably from a place outside the multiverse and therefore can't cause paradoxes. But Strange coming with her can cause an incursion because it's unnatural for him to be in the same place twice, even if he's dead in the other universe.
The rebooting of the MCU is definitely a great speculation. They have a lot of source material to adapt from.
Yeah , i think the same too. Having a restart would also help marvel touch the other characters that they couldn't while the infinity saga was going on. So those characters might get a chance after the reboot. And hoping secret wars to be more diversed. Like how they did with infinity war. Divided into 2 movies. It would he great if they do the same with secret wars.
I hope, when you do your detailed video on the movie, you highlight how "Pizza Papa" did the same "hand attacking self" routine that he did over thirty years ago! My man Bruce still has it, he's always been such a great physical comedian!
Its amazing to know and see that there are so many ways for the MCU to top the storyline of the infinity war. I wasnt sure how it could be done but it will!
Your vids are one of the things I really look forward to after I finish watching a Marvel film/tv series.
Secret Wars was really used to reset the marvel comic storyline because certain characters weren't selling. Because of how well the MCU is and has been doing for the past two decades, I don't think they would just reset it like that. However, I do hope that Kang is really made to be a much greater threat than someone like Thanos. I think the story could reach the point of the creation of Battleworld for the final movie in this coming saga, however I don't think it would just be reset. Also don't think Battleworld will be created the same as the comics. Just haven't seen someone that powerful. If it does happen how it does in the comics, possibly it is Kang like you said, which would really demonstrate his immense power.
Secret Wars is definitely coming. All the actors needs to leave MCU at some point in time, they can't have the same actors take the role of certain characters. Only way is to reboot while stay in story. Secret Wars is the way out.
God DOOM
@@nicolaslocke1433 yeah good point. I guess you kinda forget the actors aint gonna be acting forever. Although I still wouldnt be surprised if it doesn’t do a full reset like secret wars. I feel like a lot of the casual watchers are going to dislike that. Me? Im all up for it. Only just started looking into the comics stuff in the last few months and it makes the movies so much more hype when you realise what might be coming.
@@calebwakeman2211 started reading new avengers vol 1 “time runs out”
Got me so excited for what’s to come
If the MCU does follow the same ending as the comic storyline
Reboot the timeline, then that’ll be a way of having new versions of the characters we’ve come to love
For example a new Wanda or a new Sam Wilson
Maybe some characters will stay the same
But we’ll see how that plays out.
Ryan, I have loved watching your breakdowns for quite a while now. You’re one of the greats!! 🙌 And this stuff is so plausible now that “anything can happen.” 😅 I never would have thought they would bring Black Bolt into this movie only for him to blow his brains out. 😳 It was crazy!!! So much about this movie is nuts and I personally love it.
Stephen Strange can’t be evil, “He’s supposed to be the best of us” was what the ancient one said and also Wanda destroyed all the darkhold in every multiverse, so it has no power over him but he has its power so in essence Dr. Strange became more powerful without any negative drawbacks.
I just like the thought of Christine going back to her universe and having to explain the mess Wanda made of the Illuminati. Excited to see where they take this though
they all dead lmao
Did you even watch the movie? 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@appliedarithmetic5795 Yea, hence the mess lol
@@harmane.c.4033 Did you?
But they served a very important purpose for the future of the MCU! We got our Reed Richards!! And Black Bolt!!!
As a non-comics fan, I knew that when I got home from seeing the movie that I could rely on your video to explain it to me. Usually I have to overhear a gaggle of comic book nerds in the theater but there weren't any nearby this time.
same. I don't read the comics but I love the MCU. I think some times the MCU doesn't get that not everyone reads the comics and expects every big cameo to be understood for how big they are. I had no idea who Clea was or why she was important until this video.
😂😂😂
You are amazing at these theories.
I always love how the segways to the ads are always flawless
Just watched the movie. Can’t wait for the Easter Eggs. Keep it up Ryan
What other movie characters would you like see appear in Secret Wars?
I probably want to see squirrel girl because I think she's underrated
@@tomhibbert6486 I was just explaining to a friend how Squirrel Girl is OP
The scarlet witch...the one they seem to have 👻
Doom obviously
Keanu Reeves as Molecule Man or The Beyonder
I would love to eventually see Onslaught. And little Franklyn Richards whoop his ass. Lolz
Thank you. Just thank you! This helps me a lot
Great job as always Ryan! However I suggest the title must also include "The Secret Wars" or something that clearly says where mcu is probably heading because that's one of the most exciting parts of this video.
This was an amazing and enjoyable breakdown! I also love seeing you be more silly in your latest videos. The your mom jokes always make me laugh... And your uncle 😂
MoM was a great set up for what's to come and I'm stoked! Some of the edits were a bit TOO Raimi and cheesy for me but that's just a style choice. The acting and character growth was really great.
The second post credit scene w/ Bruce Campbell is a pseudo-comical rendition to Army of Darkness where he has to sever his left arm. It was brilliant honestly
Brilliant! I love all of it!
Wow! this video, i do agree with a lot of the options, that this multiverse war will go, it scares me, to imagining witnesses, the near destruction of Multiverse universe and to come out of one war, to go straight into another almost immediate with doctor doom or galatics, etc. Nice video.
And it's all because sylvie stabbed some dude who actually looks like someone fun to hang out with
They didn't establish that. They should have. But they didn't.
Good thing most of us hated her from the moment she came on screen
If marvel is watching this video, I just wanna say the best part about this movie was the violence, keep it coming, your movies are starting to feel real Disney-ish
I really hope they don’t move too quickly to the end of secret wars.
They should give themselves 7-10 years of breathing room
phase 6 finale gonna be lit
@@leysont what comics do i read that lead up to time runs out and secret wars
@@neo1675 you can look at the wiki pages for the events
Hello! Always love your videos and I'm starting to get the tempo for your releases. Is the bigger whole movie analysis for Dr. Strange 2 coming this afternoon?
What did you think of the ending?
Wanda's been nerfed down since wandavision.... What about the whole ''only the one casts the spells inside the runes circle can use magic''...How could not a throne room provides her with such powers? Theron is a boring actress... Also it seems that we won't see again Wanda for a long time...That's sad...
@@nobody....168 wanda has been nerfed? Are you kidding me she was killing everyone how is she nerfed
Very cliche , literally the only part of the movie i didnt like " the power of control was always in you " crap spoiled what i felt was a good movie. I will get over it though but it felt lazy.
Do we think evil Dr. Strange actually died from being impaled on that fence? When Christine approached him his third eye opened and that was it.
I’m wondering if our Dr. Strange getting the third eye is actually evil Dr. Strange dream walking into him, still on his mission to escape his universe. Maybe that’s why he was so comfortable and nonchalant about jumping into the dark dimension at the end.
I loved it. Can't wait for more.
Was Quentin Beck really from 813 ? His knowledge from there gave him the ability to become Mysterio in 616.
Anyone notice that Wanda's head piece/tearra likely covers where the 3 eye would be?
I know it's not beefed up enough, but pretty sure after this storyline, that it can be taken as that.
Btw, did any producers confirm is she is even alive under that mountain of rubble?
I know the "Wanda Power" could stop it but seemed like she was going out with a bang.
Idk, I took it that way but no one is talking about that factor.
Love the channel! Watching this made me think about the Eternals and how they would play a role in the multiverse wars. Considering the birth of a Celestial results in earth being destroyed which could be a way to keep the balance and prevent incursions. But since the Eternals prevented the birth, the earth wasn't destroyed and brought things one step closer to an incursion.
It's no Winter Soldier level of good like I was expecting but it's still a fun watch. Weirdly enough, this film reminded me of the first time I watched Thor: Ragnarok.
I get what you're saying but Thor: Ragnarok is easily top 5 MCU while MoM is mid tier.
I thought it was an interesting nod to WandaVision when Wanda looked right into the camera in the movie. Can you explain about the Darkhold tower and how that was formed? Was it another version of Wanda that made it the MCU Universe?
Great pitch! I dig it!
When was it stated that Incursions can ONLY happen with the Darkhold?
I don't remember that ever being said. It is certainly one way to cause it (IF used to travel between universes), but not the only way.
Did the post credits scene cheapen the ending?
I don't think so, but it was definitely a bit on the nose 😂
no
Yes, it made the cliffhanger pointless.
You know what's funny is that its very similar to the ending of Back to the Future part one. "Its your kids, Marty! Something's gotta be done about your KIDS!"
I think the ending with Strange screaming in agony would have worked better with NWH coming after this film. It would've worked as an actual cliffhanger and we could've seen how the Darkhold affected Strange. The Clea teaser could've been used as the NWH mid credit scene.
Gotta be my favorite segue into your sponsor ever. 🤩😆
Thanks Ryan for this breakdown!
“smartest man in the multiverse” had no plan at all
Do you have any questions about Multiverse of Madness?
yes. why?
2 questions 1 couldn't strange have used the forgetting spell on wanda to make her forget her kids and 2 how come the watcher didn't interfere on what strange and wanda were doing even with what happened in what if
If the main MCU is now 616 is the main comics continuity also 616?
Great video!
I wish you were a writer for the MCU! You're videos are amazing. I love how much you know and love the comic.
Was crazy how wonda made that guy kill himself buy removing his mouth!!
Blackbolt
It's very interesting to see how Doom's Battlefield is much like the world after the universe explodes in the Doctor Who episode, the Pandorica! I knew at the time this was going to be more important than originally thought. I had no idea how important though.
What a good addition to the mcu. Clea has always been a fave of mine along with strange, and this just opens the best possibilities for the characters.
The death of Dr strange comics right now have clea take over as SS in order to sus out the details of strange death ,that alone could be an excellent disney plus show.
Wow! You explained everything great! You should write for them
I just wanna know what happened to Wanda. That wasn't really addressed in the review video either. When she brought down Wundagore, did she die? It looked like there was a burst of the chaos magic energy that blew as everything was crumbling too. Did she take herself out? Or did she just destroy the corrupting forces of Wundagore and use her magic to get the hell out?
She’s definitely not dead.
If you didn't see the body...
Not dead. Olsen signed a 7 year extension with marvel
Not dead at all
I think the red blip was her getting the f out of there before it collapsed
I only have two questions: Should I read classic Secret wars or the newer Secret wars? And was Wanda able to obliterate the illuminati and everyone else thanks to the darkhold or was she really that powerful?
seeing them pull from Time Runs Out with the incursions makes me so happy because Hickman's Avengers run was why i got back into reading Avengers and Secret Wars 2015 is one of my favorite Event Comics EVER!! I would love to see both of these adapted into the MCU so i am happily on this hype train!!
You guys are just awesome and that’s what I think
They also very much described perfectly that the 616 universe is the prime universe, since destroying the dark hold in their universe destroyed it everywhere
It’s fun to think about how it would’ve all played out if Doctor Strange would’ve come out before No way Home like originally planned.
My theory is that if it did come out first, Multiverse of Madness is what made the multiverse originally weakened, the reason Doctor Strange actually did that for Peter is because he now is corrupted (remember how everyone asked “why would Dr. Strange actually perform that spell for Peter in the first place- because he was corrupted by the Darkhold) and at the end of No Way Home the multiverse would be completely fractured. That would be where we are now in the timeline. And that would be why we saw all the snow in the sanctum in No Way Home. The way the water flowed up the steps of Sinister Strange’s sanctum, it would tie in to why there was snow in 616 Dr. Strange’s sanctum…now, this is where we are in the timeline but I think if the end of Spider-Man NWH was where we are currently would’ve been a little better
Originally nightmare was to be in DRS2
With his minions. They had toys already to ve released as well.
amazing channel
lot of things i understood
100
Agatha said she'll end the world. I think I miss took that as her literally ending it but I now realise she plays a big part in the end of the universe. Her as a nexus being travelling through universes would break the whole structure apart.
Honestly I'm disappointed, with the fact that the introduced all of these interesting variations. Only to kill them off, it flirted with What if so hard just to ignore it. For example they ran with Cpt Carter, but couldn't name directly Strange Supreme.
Also they've been doing so much killing I worry for the next Avengers like movie.
Oh, and they ignored Mordo again
I mean Strange makes note that the Mordo from the Illuminati is probably just as hell bent on hating him as his Mordor is, so presumably Doctor Strange has already dealt with and defeated Mordo off screen considering his knowledge of Mordo hating magic users and particularly hating him.
i think it was perfect, kinda like a warning to us that we shouldn't push their castings of certain people or they will give us what we want and take it away just as fast. like how everyone was expecting the spider men who could have easily been killed off too
Sorry you were disappointed
Strange supreme is different person
i liked it because it showed just how powerful wanda has gotten. and these characters definitely aren’t completely gone they are probably in a different universe
This movie ends with more questions than answers, they really need to decide whether they want to force MCU to be Earth-616(which would rustle a lot of jimmies) or are they sticking with the original MCU designation of Earth-199999. Since that would kinda kill any hopes of 616 cameos from the comics on the big screen and also make storylines even more messy.
They kinda confirmed that MCU in Earth 616. First they hinted at it in Far From Home, then cofirmed it now in the Multiverse of Madness
@@mihaelabanu1091 I don't like that they changed it. Makes Mysterio a really good guesser.
@@mihaelabanu1091 Far From Home was more of an easter egg reference since Mysterio made up his entire backstory. What happened in MoM is a bit more concerning since the whole point of separate universes is so Marvel could make multiple different stories without messing up the original timeline nor consistently having to answer loopholes. Prior to multiversing everything, shit tons of retcon happened simply because different writers had different ideas. How are they going to explain why MCU is Earth-616 with 616 already existing in the form of comic main universe? Either Raimi didn't consult the main decision makers before making the scene, something he always do because "it hampers director creativity", or it will be just another thing that will be consistently mentioned like many other contradicting loopholes from other films.
Kristine literally says its earth 616
So what does that leave as the designation for the main comics continuity? Is it also 616?
Great video
I’ve never commented before. But bro your killing it for us older I.e 40ish people. Never stop you rock!
I was hoping when Xavier would've had a moment w/ Wanda and told her who her father was in his universe and that Petro was still alive.
No. It doesn't leave anything in his mind. Remember strange has photographic memory. He just has all the spells he saw from the book in his mind. So technically the spells still exists.
Edit:- and probably, because one of them has that memory maybe all or any one of them from the multiverse are getting dreams/nightmare about it aswell. The third eye one just might be another variant. The real strange is the one with Clea.
Stephen also has the third eye in the original 1960’s comics too. I remember first seeing it in the issue where there’s a news crew outside a haunted house and the reporter goes inside. There’s a panel where Stephen uses his third eye to follow him remotely.pretty trippy stuff in those old comics.❤️
Love your RUclips, Was this the first 4th wall break in a Marvel film?? Setting up Deadpool?? The end credit scene??