The Bock Saga - Is History as we know it a lie?
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2022
- What do you get when an ape and a goat mate? Join us as we tick off the numbers in this weird stuff bingo.
Simon's Social Media:
Twitter: / simonwhistler
Instagram: / simonwhistler
Love content? Check out Simon's other RUclips Channels:
SideProjects: / @sideprojects
Biographics: / @biographics
Geographics: / @geographicstravel
Casual Criminalist: / @thecasualcriminalist
Today I Found Out: / todayifoundout
TopTenz: / toptenznet
Highlight History: / @highlighthistory
XPLRD: / @xplrd
Business Blaze: / @brainblaze6526
Still makes more sense than Scientology.
That's hardly an achievement. Literally anything, does.
😂😂I almost fell off my chair! Well said!!😂😂😂😂😂
This should be Simon's sign-off on all videos regarding ghosts, conspiracies, etc.
You just aren't ready to process the secret truths of Scientology...is what a Scientologist would probably tell you.
Every scientologist listening to this like "nah, man, how could anyone believe that?"
This video could also be called “The Bock Saga - from the start to the Finnish.
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
🥁
🥁🥳😂
Hahahaha
The Bock Saga - what happens when you live in Finland, with 10 months of winter, 8 months of darkness, a sauna, and several cases of vodka, lakka, and sima.
Don't forget cannabis and LSD!
Ior Bock was a heavy pot smoker and the whole saga is just a potty smokers psychotic ramblings
@@SydNixon
The essentials!
Simon briefly mispronouncing “mispronunciation” is wonderful
He did it "effortlessly", but he'd never say it himself😉
best comment. i came for it but it came for meeeee….
Class acts! The lot of you!
That’s called irony.
Mispronation. Let's get it in the urban dictionary at least
36% Sarcasm, 14% Story, 50% Tangent and 100% Jen, would'nt have it any other way 🤪
Jen is 100% the MVP
Amazing. I have to agree with that
But what about the 5% pleasure and 50% pain?
@@jamesdreads7828 hello fellow Lovecraftian 👋
I was trying to think of something cool to say, but you nailed it with that one
Katy writes some damn good scripts for this channel, is she gonna end up in the Blazement with Danny, Sam and Kevin?
Callum is somewhere there too with ETA
Nah, Katy's gonna end up in the attic with his totally definitely still alive wife.
@@nadiavandyne694 nope, Simon needs a breeding population of script writers and editors in his basement...
@@666soso Is Callum still alive? He’s not written anything for ages?
@@williebauld1007 I honestly have no idea. I miss the guy.
Whistlemeister is not bad. But with Simon coming from Kent and taking his tangenty and talkative nature into account, I'm going to have to go for The Archbishop of Banterbury 🤔 😄 x
The Vanir and the Aesir were two groups of deities in Norse mythology (the actual historical sagas). Most of the Germanic gods, Odin, Thor, etc. were Aesir (Asgard=Aesir-yard). Frey and Freya were Vanir in the traditional sagas.
No idea how or if Bock bothered to explain this discrepancy.
It's also the two "Norse" races from Robert E. Howard's hyperborean chronicles (of Conan the Barbarian) which is all about an fake "alternative history" in which humanity is a buttload older than expected and has gone through several phases of evolution/devolution, which kinda makes me suspect that someone got their ideas from a source of fiction. Kinda like the belief in lizard people and scientology.
Technically Thor is atleast quarter giant since his mother is the daughter of the jotun nott and either odin or possibly another dude.
And Frey and Freyas dad is vanir but it's not completely clear who their mother is so they might not be full vanir.
@@ricebeansrockroll882 you gotta be pretty thor after doing it with a giant
@Kaunis Kaukomieli he did, as have I. The Conan stories take place waaaaaaaaaaay back in an, again, fictional setting where there are still some dinosaurs around and the continents we know haven't yet formed
@@Lunch_Meat Yeah, also came to say they were two groups of people in Howard’s ‘Conan the Barbarian’ series.
Okay...
It's official, Simon is henceforth to be known as Simon "FactBoi" Whistlemeister.
So It Is Written.
so it shall be.
so it shall be known so mote it be
"Traditional Finnish gun dance". And now I have coffee all over myself! 😂😂😂 They are more known for their sad and not at all violent version of tango.
You can easily tell this story is false, everybody knows that Finland doesn't exist. This is probably just another part in that conspiracy. :D
Would really love to just listen to Simon bulldoze and tangent his way through a bunch of other creation myths/mythologies both famous and unheard of.
Quetzalcoatl would be a fun one..
..basically humans were apparently created when Quetzalcoatl, with the befriending aid of another god, tricked another couple of 9th layer underworld gods, and stole some magic bones.. and then some sacrificial blood was involved and yada yada yada the 1st humans were born!
As a finn, this guy is an absolute Legend! Crazy as shit but the stories are absolutely mental and he was really good storyteller :D Also the tv commercials he was in are effin awesome
What commercials he was in?😅
As a Finn I have never even heard of this one before now… wild
So he's actually of some importance there? I was wondering why Simon was covering someone this seemingly obscure and unimportant.
@@briancrawford8751 just a well-known mad cultist person who gained a somewhat niche hippie following. Not of any _actual_ importance. But hey, if you teach people how to suck yourself off, the word tends to get around.
Simon was in commercials!?
A male goat in Swedish (one of the official languages in Finland) is called a bock.
I am happy to learn that!
Same goes for German. You can also call it Ziegenbock to make clear that you're talking about a male goat, not a male sheep.
Oh jeez, that makes it so much worse. No wonder he preferred bellend brew...you can't un-see the antics of a male goat during boinking season.
Buck is the term for a male deer.
Ziegenbock is the name of a nice dark beer, too!
Simon starts talking about mispronunciation, immediately proceeds to mispronounce the very word… And yeah, it really ads charm to it. 😄
"Are you confused, or do I just have a small brain?"
Yes
Finland , Finland , Finland
The country where I want to be
Pony trekking or camping or just watching T.V
Finland , Finland , Finland
It's the country for me
No comment section should be without a Monty Python reference.
@@adarmus4768 No one expects the Monty Python reference.
Audience: "Simon, could you be less lazy?"
Simon: **is too lazy to respond**
Lol that was my thought too
I think y’all kinda skipped over the fact that he literally spent all of his money until he was flat broke, digging up his yard, searching for the burial place of the body he completely fabricated himself. I think it really highlights the fact that, yes, he did come to believe his complete BS himself
I wonder with happened in his life that he clearly had some mental break of some sort because I can’t explain this any other way. Finnish people aren’t usually like this afaik 😅
Great name btw.
Have u heard the stupid conspiracy that Finland doesn’t exist? lol
Not that she doesn't always, but I really must comment that Jen *really* knocked it out of the park with the editing on this one!
As usual!
What's that old saying? If you're poor you're called crazy, but if you're rich you're called an eccentric.
Dear Katie... If Simon ever invited you for a dinner then leads you down stairs.... Just run ...
They called it “Chinese Whispers”? I always thought it was Telephone, though I suppose I am American. 😂
My teacher called it whisper down the lane
My contemporaries and I (teenagers in the 70s) called it "Party Line."
In German it's silent mail. Guess it's an international education game but different names
We called it Chinese Telephone in the southern US.
Where I live, it's called 'Broken Telephone'.
So his helper saw a crow, lost time, and Bock wound up dead? Sounds like Odin finally had enough of Bock and took matters into his own hands.
As someone living in Helsinki this was super enjoyable. I'll send it to my Finnish family and friends as I have no idea if they have heard of it (Sipoo is very near Helsinki, it's part of the greater Helsinki region.). "Uudenmaa" means "New World", or new country.... Or... "Maa" has SOOOOO many meanings: soil, land, earth, dirt, country, ground, countryside.... And the base from of "Uuden" (new) is "uusi".
I've been studying Bock saga for almost 10 years,, after watching this super video for a moment I wanted to share my experience, but I understood that sharing beauty requires empathy and willingness to learn and this man is like a technocratic cyborg of a modern joke, based on the intellect of dormant listeners,sowing pseudo-intellectual idiocy,. don't waste your expensive time trying to explain something to this very cool guy who knows everything he's too smart for us😆😂🙏👍
@@Maciej-McOst-RICH That was accurate, I mean listened to him for two minutes and it turned unbearable, all is empty headed hypster ego show.
This amazong subject is worth much more investigation by all people
I'm off to Google, "What is the Bock Saga?"
You're in for a wild ride
Let me know the results because I'm not touching that shit with a 10-ft pole that mf is the definition of nuttier than squirrel shit. Lol
Look your many channels are good, but the best ones are these more casual channels. Love the rambles, laughs and stories that go no where, never change a thing!
I had a look for half goat and half ape so searched a “gape”. Not sure you’d want that as a thumb nail 🤔 I was MOST surprised.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
You were right the first time, it’s “the blood, the spirit, and the Holy Spirit”
Re: The sarcastic asides since they were brought up in this video: while I actually am on the same skeptical train of thought as you most of the time, I will admit that I often find the sarcastic asides very frustrating. I'm more interested in the narrative being told. Some commentary and expression of personal ideology in something like a cold read is to be expected and appreciated on some level; that is something of the point of a cold read in the first place. And having a fellow skeptic share thoughts I have and can agree is nice sometimes. But there times and points where you tangent off into a skeptical rants or break the flow of the story just to throw out a "because its not real!", I do often find myself thinking "Yeah, yeah, we know you don't believe it. Most of us don't either, just get on with it!" Curiously, I don't find the tangents quite as noticeable or flow breaking on Casual Criminalist. Maybe because the breaks there are often more palette cleansing or cathartic, where here it feels more like beating a soundly dead horse and verging on punching down. I'm not suggesting there should be none, but some videos have been a bit on the excessive end for my tastes. That said, I appreciate the work you do and watch many of your channels near enough every day.
It has probably occurred to you that the purpose of this contempt is to signal to anyone curious about this topic that you are by no means permitted to take this seriously.
If this saga is complete does that make it the Bock set?
Finland produces great Formula One drivers because they know how to make it to the *Finnish* line :^)
This was so hilarious. I never heard the full story of what Ior Bock had in his mind, but I knew the key parts like "saunasolmu" or saunaknot, which means sort of entangling your body around itself. And drinking his own sperm. Stuff like that. Also a somewhat famous head of a progressive rock band called Kingston Wall was curious about Bock's stuff and they had a song called Alt-Land-Is. Phenomenal band and wonderful players, but sort of cult famous internationally, only people who know do know them and love them.
Also for someone who didn't check pronunciations, you did better than pretty much anyone english speaker I've heard. The joke about skiing isn't that far off, the previous generations actually ski'd a lot. Like a common joke about old people is the "times were better in the past" stories of "back when I was young, we would ski 40 kilometres to school every morning, sun or rain, and half the way we had wolves chasing us and the other half bears".
Some things you might recognize about Finland are Nokia mobile phones, as british you couldn't probably care less about ice hockey, NHL stars or ice hockey world championships, a tennis player Jarkko Nieminen, internationally famous metal bands like Nightwish, or the nature (a huge amount of tourists come just to see aurora borealis, all the lakes and forests and the town of Santa Claus in the north in Rovaniemi). Or healthcare system for everybody, school system for everybody and equality.
I've come to understand those are the most common things people know about Finland. Oh and supposedly Coca-Cola wanted to found a factory in Finland and asked for a tap water sample, they got one and replied angrily "we wanted a tap water sample, not ultra-purified water" to which the finns reacted pretty confused. Don't know if there's any truth to that. Some say that the toilet flush water in Finland is better than most drinking waters in the world. The Russians love to come across the border to buy high quality clean/natural food items and ingredients in the grocery stores that finns consider every day normal stuff. Foreign people often think finnish food tastes very bland and unimpressive due to very light use of spices, often just salt, pepper, butter and perhaps cream, especially in traditional foods. Finns survived with potatoes in the history so potato definitely has a place in finnish kitchen.
I believe finns drink the most coffee per head in the world or at least place at the top. Foreigners are often surprised how every formal event is accompanied by drinking coffee. A work meeting, a meeting with a friend, after meal, in the weddings, in the funerals, in celebration, you name it. Even people who don't drink coffee might have a coffee maker. Oh and most finns seem to enjoy dark roasts and very bitter coffee (who knows why). At times I feel like Dale Cooper from Twin Peaks was a manifestation of a finnish person in terms of coffee. My father and my close friend both make coffee every night just before bed. Nuts.
Finns also seem to have a very high professionalism in university researchers, in many fields people recognize their finnish colleagues for some well done research. And I feel like the national characteristic is a bit that of a "Napoleon complex" where whenever Finland is mentioned (like right here in this video -> my comment) finns get sort of proud and gladly tell about Finland. Always having been the small little brother of Sweden, Sweden who always gets all the attention and places just in front of Finland in everything. So a common thing these days, or at least until lately, was this call "torille!" whenever Finland was mentioned somewhere, because people seem to gather to the market square every time something worth celebrating happens (mostly winning gold in ice hockey world championships).
🙆♂️🙆♂️🙆♂️ God,!!!You see and You don't thunder🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
Wow that was some good information on Finland! I know nothing about your Homeland except for what you told here now I'm going to be going in finding out everything about Finland it sounds like very nice place to live
Wow I knew nothing about Finland now you make me want to go and find out everything can about your beautiful homeland. Hank you so much for sharing
Simon, I love your videos across all your channels. What I love most is that they are a cross between educational and a conversation with a dear friend. ❤️
The sneery British ponce sarcasm in saying “eets aawl a lie” before even beginning the story tells me all I need to know about this upside down mullet.
This uploaded 49 seconds ago and I have no idea what to say. I'm panicking!
Way too relatable, lol.
Incredibly fortunate that the Statue of Liberty came out of the magma. Imagine if we had to create a symbol like that on our own? Also, this seems like a family that just wanted to create a new mythology and it got away from them.
there was also the option of receiving it as gift from france...
And just where was it hiding between the dawn of the earth and rhe1800’s?😂
Or one dude, at least.
Katie please write more episodes like this, it makes Simon's commentary and tangents absolutely hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kimi Raikkonen is the ICONIC Finnish driver!!
I remember playing "Party Line" (sounds like the same game Simon described) as a youngster. Once someone at a church group started out with "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" and after going through some 20 teenagers ended with "Don't drink and drive." For anyone who wonders if a goat can mate with an ape, the answer is no. At least, not today.
😂😂😂
Kimi Räikkönen is Finnish as well.
I'm addicted to Simon and his whackiness
Oral traditions are not "the Chinese Whispers of history". This is a misconception that needs debunking. There are myriad techniques and technologies employed to ensure that certain information is not corrupted over time. Some oral traditions have passed on accurate, verifiable, information for literally 1000s of years. On the other hand, there are numerous written sources that are biased, highly exaggerated, or complete BS. It's lazy and inaccurate to assume written sources are automatically, or even generally, more reliable that oral sources. Both can be highly reliable, highly unreliable, or anything in between and it takes careful examination to discern which is which.
"Is history as we know it a lie?" Yeah, basically.
It's "purple monkey dishwasher." Simon. You're remembering a Simpsons episode.
Fun fact: my junior high school's second/other history teacher (Juha Javanainen) was the editor of the book on the bock saga, written by ior bock, and even recorded some of the saga. He's also got an article on finnish wikipedia btw.
I'm here for the sarcastic asides. I can read facts on my own at my leisure.
(edit: not intended to denigrate your script writers, who are universally awesome. =) )
Meth doesn't make you stupid. It makes you so smart others think you're stupid.
My dog clicked on this video and as a finn I have Never Been happier
3:03 Yo, Simon, it is probably most of Christian branches that believe in the Holy Trinity, and those who reject the Holy Trinity are sometimes not even classified as Christians. So the branches I can recall from top of my head that reject that God, Son and Holy Spirit are the same being are Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, rest are probably very small sects. :v
Actually the Mormons AKA The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints, totally believe in the trinity of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost.
@@Hstry380 They believe in Godhead of three persons, not in Holy Trinity. In most of Christianity Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same being, while accordingly to Mormons they are different beings with the same purpose. This also make Morminism a rare example of non-monotheistic (hence polytheistic) Christianity.
So using your basis Jesus was talking to himself in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the cross.
@@Hstry380 In most of Christianity there is only one God existing in three coequal, coeternal, consubstantial divine persons.
God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit are the same being which has different hypostases.
Scandinavian languages are pretty difficult. I lived in Stockholm for a few months and I gave up pretty quickly. The accents are so important that if you're slightly off you aren't really saying anything at all. It seemed a bit TOO important not to mention I was 15 but I doubt I'll be exposed to it on such a large scale again so it's OK if I mispronounced "You smell like farts". Besides, almost everyone speaks English anyway. The only people I was around that didn't were very old people and most of them do too. Also, speaking of war, a Finnish sniper has the highest kill count ever. He really put a dent in Russian forces and scared the shit out of them. His record is nuts
20:26 "In an abrupt left turn-." Would've made me spit out my drink if I'd not swallowed like two seconds earlier. That is also an abrupt left turn in this video.
Simon you were correct, Valtteri Bottas is indeed finnish. Some other F1 drivers from Finland (not a complete list) were Kimi "the iceman" Räikkönen, Mika "The flying Finn" Häkkinen, and Keke Rosberg (father of Nico Rosberg, who raced under the name of German flag. The Rosbergs and the hills are the only two father-son duos where both father and son won the formula one world driver's championship). Also, very cool to see you getting into F1. I hope for your sake that you're not a Ferrari fan cause... well... EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!
Wasn’t there a saying in racing “if you want to win, employ a finn”? I think I heard that on a top gear episode with Kimi
@@russsavage1611 I think the saying originated in rally given the Finns propensity for producing Rally champs.
Katie: We're going to be respectful
Simon: Speak for yourself! Am I RIGHT, Peter?
"Half human, half ape, half goat"...
I'm not sure, but I don't think that's how halfs works... 😬
Sorry, the suggestion supplier was “noth606”, I made a whoopsie!
15:51
would anyone else wanna here Simon make up a crazy story and try to pass it off as truth?
😎 Simon would sound good reading a phone book…as long as it’s in English with a pronunciation guide…
As for a crazy story to pass off as true that might get demonetized for a “conspiracy theory” but he could do it. He’s Factboy and we believe him…😎
Ior was a familiar figure in Chapora village throughout the 80s/90s. He was an odd person although quite charismatic. Btw, his name was always pronounced as Eyore, like the donkey 😉
For a dude who claims to have gone to a religious school; the Trinity has been the main stream Christian doctrine since, oh, when Constantine the Great was Emperor of Rome.
Of all the things Simon’s story about the crazy pants guy made my day. Had a pretty bad day so the laugh was definitely appreciated.
Cracked me up as well. Mostly b/c it just described any old day walking down the street in Los Angeles in the past few decades. SHOCKING!
The things we get used to....
-bZj
I would like to see you do a video on the Patterson bigfoot footage.
your snark is why I follow you :) half your channels now seem to let the snark come through and those are my favs unless I am in the mood for just the facts
"We have Aleister Crowley at home!"
Aleister Crowley at home:
Wasn't expecting a small debate between consubstantiation and transubstantiation today -but here we are lol
Please do a Decoding the Unknown episode on the Princes in the Tower mystery.
I’m still waiting for the channel in the Whistlerverse in which Simon debunks all those “real ghost videos”
"Whistlerverse" 👌😂😂
I think Simon would have an aneurism from all the foolishness in those.
For someone who took RE classes on the CoE in schools, Whistle Boy is charmingly vague on the doctrine of the Trinity.
I thought for years that nothing could make scientology sound sane and rational. And then you find this! Good show.
what a delightfully weird episode
Thumbnail Simon looks like you just pitched him a pyramid scheme out of nowhere.
It's interesting that the crazy servant claimed that a raven told him to do it. Tymbultyr , Wodin , Odin etc. etc. was said to have two ravens or crows huggin and muggin who travel the world as his spies. Also that he himself could travel in this form.
This was a glorious one, I laughed hard several times. My favourite part was the comment 'what would make the dance better'... I'm still giggling 👌❤️🇬🇧
34:00
Suddenly being called annoying by one of Simon's writers is a weird situation
😆
I’m Finnish and I hereby give thee the permission to butcher our names.
7:35- the 'Dudemeister' joke from the show Scrubs was one of my favorite stupid jokes from the show.
Simon is the biggest educational RUclipsr that doesn't actually know OR remember any of the subjects he talks about and gives zero fucks about admitting it and I love it.
6:40 - Chapter 1 - The bock saga
21:35 - Chapter 2 - Ior Bock
35:15 - Chapter 3 - The saga & the search continues
I was JUST gonna say “Autofellatio, Bestiality, and Incest… this vid has it ALL, folks!”
But Simon beat me to it. 😒
Only beasts fucking each other, no humans involved. But the nanny-goat gives birth to the first humans after she get's fucked by the ape.
4:45 We called it telephone but “Chinese whispers” is incredibly funny and backhanded for a kids game
I CANNOT stop laughing for poor John in kindergarten.
There's actually a headline from the attempt to find the temple. "Hippies dug six meters with an excavator. Obviously they found nothing."
It's still weird to me that Simons is so sceptical but then believes Formula 1 is a sport and watches it.
I used to ask an ex-partner of mine if he was going to watch the vroom-vrooms (F1) again this weekend, and he'd to get mad and wouldn't talk to me. Handy for when I wanted some peace and quiet.
“Who heard X? Who heard Y? Who let the kid who can’t hear properly sit in the middle of the line?”
Probably a few hundred years from now people like Simon will laugh at the idea of evolution as the origin of human as a ridiculous myth.
Im with simon..i dont use sarcasm, i am sarcasm. So usually when simon makes sarcastic comments.. they are very similar to my own. Well done simon!
How the hell did you guys find about this weirdo? Most people under age of 50 here in finland do not know about him and those of us who do, want to forget.
Sorry about that! It was someone who suggested it in the comments on another vid. Think they were a Finn.
@@katywatson4940 Don't worry, have a laugh with this idiot. Just don't think he was an average finn who knows our history. He was a quite of a national "town fool" of Finland for a while.
Yea never knew of him but at least this gave me laughs now that I know.
Hey now, I'm 38 and did know about him! And am very amused by the whole chaos of Ior Bock! 😂
I am not from eastern uusimaa though so I don't have to feel too invested, I get to watch it from afar, untangled in that saunasolmu. 😉
For a person who knows very little, almost everything is the unknown. Simon is the perfect host for such an exploration. Well, that and his professional narrator's knack for mispronunciation. It's like watching a bearded 5th grader giving his first book report forever.
OMG I don't think I've ever laughed as much as hearing Simon reading to us about The Bock Saga!!! I listened to it last night and I watched it again with my coffee this morning. I gotta say the pics and graphics from Jen really brought a lot to the "story" So so damn funny!!! Thank you Simon, Katy and last but CERTAINLY not least, Jen.
Very brave Simon absolutely butchering every single Finnish word in the whole script xD love it
To be fair, I wasn’t expecting him to :D
Hey Simon Katy and Jen
Where’s my like for that sweet comment?
Don't worry Simon, i got in the waiting list and it took like almost 2 weeks to get access to Dalle 2. It's awesome, but you have to be very precise in what you want.
Go stand in the corner yell scared the shit out of my blasting in my headphones as I run from zombies 😂
Hearing Simon rant about shocking homeless people sightings, holy cow, let's just say where I live I've seen people shoot "H" into their "D" if you can fill in the blanks. On a busy city sidewalk. Less than a block from a semi outdoor daycare facility (don't worry, it's completely fenced in like a pee wee penitentiary). I'm sure most people in the states can guess my city in 3 tries or less, lol.
Sounds like here in Vancouver, Canada!
My guess would be either Detroit or LA based on my past experiences with either city lol.
None of this is anymore insane than the bible version of life… that kids are told is true and to pass along to their kids
Glad to see bock saga getting more attention
😉
So happy you gave context to that game lol we just call it "telephone"
Simon is a "Whistler Boy fan?" Oh yeah. He is clearly his BIGGEST FAN! Freudian slip of a clear narcissist. XD
I so enjoy your channels. Your awsome. You make my day with every show.
You’re…😆
Biologically is the word we were looking for, thaaaanks for playing fact boy
Bruh. I was drinking coffee during the "seeds of life" bit.