STOCK SHAFT V AFTER MARKET £300 SHAFT TEST AVERAGE GOLFER
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2019
- As an average golfer I tested two driver shafts to see if if was worth paying an extra £300 for an upcharge shaft
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The key to any iron, driver, 3-wood, utility club, and the putter is having a very, very experienced and fair-minded club fitter that understands your hitting capability. The club manufacturers have, over the past few years done a great job in partnering up with many well-known shafts manufacturers and offering a nice variety of them for the consumer to choose from. In this day and of golfing, you are not doing yourself justice by just picking a club and shaft without knowing which works the best for you. After all, if a "up-shaft" offers you 20% more yardage and increases your accuracy by 15%...that is a lot more opportunity for you to lower your score and play "better golf."
Yes agree once again all about custom fit
I just recently purchased an upgrade after market shaft after the recommendation of my younger brother who had went for the upgraded Tensei CK PRO shaft $300.00, he said it was the most stable golf shaft he had ever had in his hands, after two weeks he purchased another for his other driver and loved it just as much.
My purchase after doing some homework was the 55 gram Stiff VA Vylyn shaft $235.00 here in the States, and I have to say it is the most stable great feeling shaft I have ever played with in over 50 years of golfing, I'm hitting it higher with less spin and an easy 7 to 10 yards more. But the big thing is the feel and the stability at impact, unfreaking believable, at this time I'm going to wait before I buy another, but I assure I think I will. This is our opinion, but that is important to us, good video post guys, thanks.
Sounds like a good buy to me.
I had a custom Shaft fitting as I was given a Sim Max Driver and Sim titanium 3 Wood for my birthday.
They both had Fujikura Ventus Blue Stiff Shafts.
My Driver was launching too high, which made me lose distance and I was struggling to get any consistency with it. At the fitting, I was hitting an average yardage of 234yds in total, with spin average of 3480.
I was also struggling to get My 3 Wood to launch and get any height when playing it off the Floor. My average total yardage with that was 200yds.
After trying numerous Shaft options. I was fitted for the following.
Driver.... Graphite Design Tour AD BB 7X. Launch was a lot lower, I was a lot more consistent and total average 264yds with spin average of 2460.
3 Wood... Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7X. Launched the ball higher off the floor, again I was very consistent and total average 234yds with it.
As you as see, there was a significant difference in the numbers. Yes they were very expensive, but I’m a firm believer in “You get what you pay for”
The real point here is why are Club manufacturers putting watered down versions of Shafts on their clubs and not informing us of this!!!
A top of the range Fujikura Ventus Blue Shaft will cost you over £300 to buy, so why is there no description on the stock shaft version of this you get with your Driver telling you the compound quality of it? They should be doing this!!!!
It's because stock shafts whip more which will lead to the occasional smash home run which will feed the ego of most weekend golfers and motivate them to fork over the cash. I have Ventus, GD and Diamana aftermarket shafts and they are all great shafts. I have a stock Ventus Blue in my 3W and I don't want to put an aftermarket shaft in it because the extra spin of the stock shaft helps me.
If you go with a lower spin driver head, you could probably play a lighter shaft and get a bit more distance. I went from a TSr3 to a Paradym Triple Diamond and gained in consistency and distance. About 245 total yds to 272 total yds in 11 drives the other day. My spin was around 2500, now probably 2100.
I use a Ping G410 Plus and used the Stock Tensei Orange CK regular flex shaft that came with the club. Was hitting slices to oblivion and ball was launching higher than a kite. After some work on my ball position, stance at address, and time on a simulator my distance and overall swing speed increased but my slices were more pronounced whenever I'd miss the middle of the face. I went ahead an bought a used Tensei AV Raw shaft stiff flex given my swing was now 10-12 mph faster than when I first strted golfing in May and noticed a huge difference in the feel and less of a whippy effect. I was finding the center of the club face more and even lowered the loft setting on my driver and now found my optimal settings. I would say for a new golfer, working with the stock shafts are fine especially when you're starting out because I could only imagine how discouraged I would be buying a premium shaft when I started out and still getting subpar results without being able to work on mechanics first. Once you have imrpoved and found mechanically what works best for you is when I would then consider upgrading your shaft because if you care about improving your game and especially improving your drives, then getting fit and looking at a premium shaft would be the way to go for I think most who are honest with their game. If you're just playing for the fun of the game, don't get a premium shaft, but if you are looking to improve, 10-15 yard more and better dispersion is worth the investment. I went from Driving the ball 180 yards - 230 yards (At my absolute best and farthest) with my stock regular flex shaft.....now I am consitently hitting between 210-240 yards (Excluding some absolute boms as outliers in the 250's-260's) consistently, usually in play, never hooking it anymore and sometimes a push fade right. Driving has become much more predicatble for me and enjoyable with the upgraded shaft and spin has been great. The best part too is I was able to buy a $250 shaft for less than half the price and enjoy the benefits of it.
I had a custom fitting with Titleist a little while ago, I ended up with the Ventus blue shaft on the driver (TSR2), much lower ball flight and less spin ,max smash factor and better distance than the best of the stock offerings for my swing. Interestingly , we went with the Tensei blue on the 3W and hybrid, higher ball flight was needed on those clubs.
I use a $500 upgrade shaft in my driver it was far and away the best for me in my fitting not for length but in dispersion i use a Garmin s60 watch to keep track of my stats and have gone from 7/14 average fairways hit to 12/14 and a drop in handicap of 2 due to it so for me at least it was worth the money plus i really like the bright purple color of the shaft
That is some great work Ben and sounds good to me
Interesting test. I guess if I were to buy an upgraded shaft for my Ping G 400 Max driver I would only do so if the dispersion figures make it worth it. These were interesting results Andy. My swing speed in not all that fast. I think its only about 85 to 90. I have been wondering about this shaft stuff for some time now. Spider
Would be love it if you could test the Fujikura Ventus shaft, supposed to be very very good & would be very very interested in your opinion😀👍🏻
Bought a new set of clubs, tried a number of shafts on the driver, at the end went with the original shaft. Not due to the extra cost but purely on results.
Got 2 mitsubishi Diamana b series 60 x shafts for driver ,had them a couple of years ,fantastic for me .Got mine when the the new bf series came out so very much reduced in price and they fit me fine .Find something that works and stick with it no matter what the shaft is .If you want after market shafts look at models a year or two old there are great deals to be had ,Mine was fitted for me and the numbers were better than anything else ,so great for confidence .Too many people play shafts that are too long in the driver which is the worst thing for you're game ,most pros use a driver that is around 44.5 in length while us handicappers are expected to hit 46 inch + shafts ,crazy .As for Crossfield ,he has a thing about shafts and bangs on about it all the time yet he has deep impact shafts in his rescue clubs and a different shaft in his driver now ,I wouldn't believe him if he told me if night follows day .
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It sure is pal, got it on Twitter now as well
Yes Andy had a few upgraded shafts which I have kept and put into other Drivers, 5 Woods, 3 Woods cheers Peter Ps Accra, Oban, Handcrafted project X, Ust Attas.
Interesting
Bang on about the stability feeling. Got fitted for a Tensei Blue X in the Epic Sub Zero then tried the upgrade blue "tour" shaft and it felt completely different and the only way I could describe it was stable. No gains but I preferred the feel and if something feels good you use it more. So il be getting the upgrade think its only £100 extra.
Thats a lot more realistic on the price Timmy
Tour ad comes in black also use the DI 5 R flex great for us seniors still at 85-88 mph swing picked up around ten yes and feel is awesome
Cheers from NorCal
Prefer the black option
I had a ping g with stock blue alta 65 g on track man tried a hzrdus yellow stiff 6.0 and hit it okay, but felt I had to work harder.. Then tried a tensei white and it was the best out of them, expecially dispersion... I kept the tensei and after a year, it has been very good for my game....
hope it keeps working well
Also - I find I can vary my shot type and move the ball better with the upgraded shaft because it is more balanced. If I do this with the tensei it doesn’t work nearly as well. Flat out and straight the tensei works but not if I want to fade/draw slow swing etc - then it doesn’t perform nearly as well.
Which is why I feel they are suited to better players who have this capability
Certain shafts I just like the feel better and they seem more consistent. I like the project x shafts around 70 grams 5.5. They are mostly just a choice with a minimal up charge if any. These days with adapters I just seem to use the same shaft with the new head.
true re the adapters make life easy
Swing speed 115-117 I've found a bigger difference in feel and seeing the ball fly how I want it to than actual performance, similar to you. But that matters to me enough to justify the price. My guess is that there's tighter quality control on premium shafts and therefore more variation in performance in stock shafts. But that's just my gut feeling, not based on anything real.
I’ve had upgrades in the past but current shafts are so good, I didn’t find any benefit this time around BUT my son was quoted the wrong price for upgrades in woods & irons and the company honoured the quote, to his considerable benefit!
good on him!
I've been gaming this Graphite Design IZ-6 6S all year. It's been a great shaft for me
I’ve got an upgrade shaft, but bought it off eBay for half the price it would normally be. On course is where it matters, and the upgrade shaft gives me better dispersion, but more importantly confidence to go after a shot without fear of losing it majorly to the right. The upgrade shaft is heavily tip stiff and counterbalanced, which will allow you to add more weight to the clubhead and increase ball speed a little bit. Heavier head weight will offer a bit more resistance to twist too. Ie higher MOI. Not everyone suits a counterbalanced shaft though, so definitely horses for courses. Give it a go if you can get your hands on one mate....Fujikura Pro 2.0 Tour Spec. Tensei Orange is similar, but make sure it’s the pro version and not the standard. Massive difference in shaft profile between the standard and pro versions of all Tensei shafts.
Great information Mike and something I will look at
My experience - bought M2 six years ago with expensive aftermarket shaft. Didn't really want to pay that much but you only live once. Its only now I realise how good it is because the current drivers with stock shafts are only going the same distance.
That would be because drivers haven’t changed technology in 10 years. Nothing to do with shaft. I still crack my stock Taylor made rkt ballz stage 2 tour average of 266m according to arccos
@@firstname2072lol ya smash factor has been maxed out for awhile. I’ve been trying to replace my stock shaft rbz for the past 3 years but I hit it too damn good. Just bought a tsr and GD shaft so hoping that does the trick
I know this is an older video and not sure if you’ll reply. But which would you have gone with if the tour AD was a free shaft or ‘stock’ option.
The difference in spin and peak height should help in windy conditions and roll out. Tour ad di spun less and launched lower and would run out more but not much therefor Tour ad would then be a better fit. Not by much though... unless you like orange :)
I just got fit at club Champions in Tampa and I used a stock tensi orange regular flex and got fitted in the fujikura ventus shaft and the difference was 3 to 5 yards carry but my smash factor was maxed out with the ventus shaft and I was a little better in dispersion. Reason I did the switch to the ventus shaft was the feel by far was unbelievable compared to the tensi orange.
Not tried that shaft Charlie but seemed to have worked for you, play well mate
I use the upgrade Adi driver shaft. The standard tensei blue In my fairway.
That word STABILITY is king. For the length of shaft in driver that is CRUCIAL for dispersal. In order to try to get same balance, and prevent tip twist I was having to try heavier shafts which effected distance because my speed dropped.
Also it’s about FEEL. The ad-i is more solid and also consistent.
The shorter the shaft ie fairway and utility are not quite as important.
So, absolutely, it’s worth paying extra, but I got the feeling this video set out to disprove the worth rather than an open mind tbh.
Olivia Younger great feedback Olivia but disappointed with the last comment, was there something in the video which suggested that? I thought I pretty much agreed with your comments but felt the price would have been a barrier?
Got a graphite design tour ad di puréd and put in my 2 iron
Now at the end of video, my thoughts are still the same .You gained 2 yards and dispersion was very similar, I'm still sure a very high percentage of golfers would gain more than 2 yards through efficiency and delivering the club head correctly. Really good information in this video, thanks for your efforts. ( I would have to really trust my fitting pro ,if he suggested an upgrade shaft ).
think yu got it right from the start
Jeremy Stafford The majority of players wouldn’t improve performance like they’re claiming they’re getting
@@Seve007 your absolutely right. I'm sure at the top of the tree after market shafts do make a difference ,but for club members I really can't see it . Thanks for your reply
Hi TAG,
I was having issues with hitting my standard driver shaft, then the other day I switched my driver shaft (60g x stiff) with my standard 3 wood shaft (75g stiff). Now the length difference is 2.5 inches. But since changing I have lost no distance been hitting my driver around 260 yards in our winter in Australia right now. Best part hitting centre fairway way more than longer shaft.... Can you do a video on this and why I would have no loss of distance. Currently using Original Epic SZ. Could be an interesting video.
I would imagine its down to improved strike but agree a good video
Tried the tour ad and a couple more upgrade shafts when i got fit for epic flash. I also have tried every new driver head out this year and i get no more benefits from upgrade shafts. Currently haven't found a better shaft for me than px even flow green / blue and i swing around 100mph and still fit the regular shaft better. Figures i get are 2300/2400 spin which give me the best results.
Seems similar results to me
Is tour ad baffler shaft any good?
Only half way through the video's and my immediate thoughts are ,90 percent of golfers would benefit from £300 worth of lessons than a go faster look at me shaft. Enjoying the video.
Callaway are the cheapest for upgrade shafts. £60 for a tour ad driver shaft, less in a 3 wood and free in a hybrid. Quality shafts that do make a difference. Do play stiffer than stock shafts, which may of affected your numbers, but consistency is the key to these shafts.
yes I think you have that right, thoughts on PXG driver with many of these shafts inc the price?
I have never paid for an upgraded shaft. Saying that, I bought a ts3 head only and went to get fit for a shaft. But I said I’ll take whichever fits me best.
Best move in driver shaft for me was shortening the driver shaft by 0.75" to 44.5" - total cost (including VAT) £12!
I did get a slight upgrade in my 5w - gained a few yards (probably solely because I feel more confident with it to really go after it) and slight consistency improvement, but I use my 5w a lot for shorter par 4s and second shot into long par 5s, but it was not a huge cost certainly significantly less than a new 5w.
IMO the marketing of shafts as "high launch", "mid kick" etc tends as both Crossfield & TXG have shown repeatedly (!), to be complete nonsense
Justin Stephenson 100% agree with you! I swing pretty fast and I’m a decent player, but I cut my 45.75” Ping g400 lst down to 45.00”. It was a standard/stock stiff shaft, nothing fancy, and I immediately gained around 10 yards on my drives on the course as measured by my arrcos.
After 7 rounds with my “new” shorter shaft, I am still averaging 9 yards more per drive than my previous average before I cut it... and that is a substantial data set in a variety of course conditions all measured by arccos.
Shorter shaft=more control= more confidence = faster swing = ball goes further and straighter.
Good luck to you sir!
I tipped my shaft and man I'm finding a lot of fairways. Few tour pros play full 46' shaft
I guess is the quality of the product and the stiffness depends the end result of the shot , I change to a HZRDUS Smoke 2nd generation x stiff it feels different and I have more confident on all shoots
and confidence is everything Genaro, play well
isnt the tensei blue the normal 300$ shaft from the mitsubishi website?
Have you tried to Tensi Orange? I have tried both Blue and Orange. I found the Orange much more stable.
May have done last year, seems we are doing more shaft testing
The feel is important in golf because it contributes to confidence. Please try new Tour AD XC shaft. AD DI is a very old shaft already although still popular.
The latest AD- Di shaft IS NOT very old.........only came out last year!🙄
@@any1younger It's the same shaft just a new paint job according to the press release.
Bright colours so people notice it's an 'Exotic Shaft' imo. Great stuff again guys
so thats why
I have a Callaway RAZR fit with a stock reg flex shaft. I found the dispersion poor. My local pro gave me an upgrade to a matrix ozik black tie 7m3 in stiff for 25 quid. It's been much more stable than the stock shaft.
but that is a hugely different spec shaft
@@TheAverageGolfer Yeah, but it worked ☺
Isn't it more a matter of feel, of "finding the clubhead" so you felt you had good control? Maybe a little heavier or lighter?
yes but for me not enough to part with 300
This ignores that the manufacturers used to include "made for" shafts that weren't the equivalent of the aftermarket shafts under the presumption that the average golfer needed a weaker shaft than they thought. Minimally those undermined consumer confidence and the manufacturers changed to including very high quality shafts in their standard offerings. All shafts available today are really "upgrade shafts."
I'd say there was a difference and neither shaft fit you perfectly. When you get fitted, you should go through at least 5 different shafts for your best chance of finding the closest to perfect shaft for you.
To be honest Juan maybe true of the upcharge but in almost all cases the Tensai blue shaft has been right for me
Here's the question i decide to buy a TS2 driver. After fitting i decide to go with an after market £300 shaft. That takes the cost of my driver to approx £750 what happens to the stock shaft the driver comes with? Is it returned to me or do i get credit for it's value against the £300 after market shaft, or am i being shafted - excuse the pun. Apart from the very minimal gains it seems like a rip off. If i was to buy a Tensai Blue shaft how much would it be ?
Good question and thought process, I think but would need to confirm that a Tensei shaft would be in the region of £150
The tensei blue is one of the stock shafts for the Titleist and is actually played by a lot of tour players , molinari plays it
You get shafted as you put it. It doesn’t make a lot of sense but manufacturers seem to think the OEM shaft has no value. You pay the full price of the head and OEM shaft plus the cost of the after market shaft. It’s ridiculous.
Here’s the best 3 options. 1. Buy a TS2 head only. (It will be about £100 cheaper without a shaft.) Go for your fitting and get fitted. 2. Buy a TS2 with a stock shaft. Go for a fitting. When you’ve got your new upgraded shaft, sell the stock shaft on somewhere like eBay or Amazon. 3. Do as number 2, but don’t sell the stock shaft. Keep it and when you come around to selling your TS2, put the original stock shaft back on it before you sell it. You can either keep the fitted shaft for your next Driver or sell it on eBay or Amazon.
Perhaps you could tell us why, since this item, your fitter is now playing the tour ad di x black shaft?! He did after all state “I’d see no reason to pay more - there’s other shafts out there that do the same thing”..........
Lol,if you’re going to get fit for an aftermarket shaft, you don’t just try one shaft and say I don’t see a difference.
If you’re serious about upgraded shafts check out TXG on RUclips.
I have bought several used to match a used head to my feel preference. But would never buy a new driver to start...
yeah makes sense
Mark C. just did this with someone who swings in the 115 range and the tester was unable to tell much of a difference between his £300 shaft and a stock REGULAR flex shaft.
I was just going to mention that!...it was a great vid!
Not strictly true. The regular spun 400 revs more which Mark wanted to dismiss as nothing but it was an increase of 16%. He wouldn’t dismiss a 16% change in other areas of the game but the aim of the video was to dismiss the benefit of a better suited shaft for the player
Stephen Jackson you didn’t read my post...I said the TESTER didn’t notice much of a difference, nothing about the difference of spin between the two.
I must have misheard him when he said the second one felt softer in the tip and the third one felt stiffer overall I guess 🤷♂️
Good vid but I wouldn't pay £200-£300 for upgrade shaft the numbers would have to be unbelievable.. but as usual if you've got the cash get one every one different and if you feel you like it get it 💪💪💪💪
yes agreed
For me and my 85mph club head speed - the challenge i gave my fitter was to gain the maximum performance possible - I need tight dispersion and obviously max distance - lower swing speed leads to lower spin as well - we ended up with a 13.5 degree driver and a Fujikura Speedster Evolution III 569 (59gm) regular shaft - medium high launchbut with flighting and spin that will keep the ball in the air a bit longer. - the club maker pured the shaft - total cost over GBP 350 for the shaft and fitting. I play PXG so the relative cost of shaft to head was not out of line.
Good afternoon,
I currently play a TSI2 driver
My swing speed is 98 miles an hour
The shaft in my driver is the Tensei Blue AV SFW 55 gram stiff.
Currently when I swing my driver, I am UNABLE to FEEL the head load in the shaft.
I am looking for a shaft that would help me have a better feeling of the head loading.
I have done extensive research on graphite design shafts, but not any other manufacture
What do you suggest?
@roberthammer2446 I was fit yesterday in a TSR3 head. I had fine results with the Tensei Blue (albeit 60 g Stiff), but like you could not really feel the head. I had not given them that info yet, as they after a little internal chat suggested I try the Graphite Design Tour AD UB 6 S. WOW was that a completely different feel. From the first swing, I immediately felt like I knew where everything was - head, shaft... Also a firmer, more connected and "precise" feeling. The dispersion was also much better but not longer. I will be ordering the upcharge combo later today - the connected feeling of control I am sure will spill over to more confidence and thereby better reults on course.
@@nielsaxelsson
That is great to hear.
I am planning on getting fit in August for my birthday. I will keep your message in mind when I go get fit.
Thanks so much
Only reason I buy upgraded shafts is when I come to sell driver I can command more dosh👍🏌🏻♀️🏌🏻♀️🏌🏻♀️🏌🏻♀️
yeah fair enough
In the past 25 years I’ve had two stock shafts snap on me. My aftermarket shafts have never snapped. Not much difference in performance though.
Wow thats interesting MArk
Never thought about an upgraded shaft - no harm in trying . . . next time. Great v-log - delivers options I never really knew about 👍
It does make me smile reading how many x flex shafts are being mentioned and how they’re more stable etc I’d wager the majority of people wouldn’t be able to pick out their shaft from a selection of others if they were all black with no markings hahahaha
The TS2 came with the choice of 4 stock shafts anyway didn’t it - I read the specs and plumped for the Tensei blue and it and the head are great
yeah performed very well
The di 6 driver shaft is twice the shaft of the Tensi!
I find Mizuno the best company for very good shafts at no extra cost , I play an x shaft so that’s the main reason I went for the Mizuno driver this year , got fitted in the Kura kage which , day , Fleetwood and McIlroy have played , I find the other company’s do poor level of quality shaft for the faster swinger or player with more speed ,
The Kuro Kage that Mizuno offers is not the same after market premium Kuro Kage played by the pros. While KK TiNi Dual Core Silver is a very good shaft, it’s profile isn’t close to the KK XT or new XD the pros play. Those are $400 + shaft in the US.
Those must only be released I did not find them on their website ,
The silver dual is a serious shaft that was in fact used by the pros , it has torc of 2.7 in the 86 weight and 3.1 in the 77 , they are Serious shafts
www.mca-golf.com/products/xd
Here’s a link to the XD which just replaced the XT which was the shaft that McIlroy and Day used to play in their drivers. I think they both used 70 TX, but may have used the 80 TX. Day might be back in it again. At the bottom of the page is the EI curves of the Silver DC TiNi, XT, & XD. The Silver DC TiNi is the softer of the three profiles. The Kuro Kage line are great shafts! I play an XT 60X. I only swing driver about 108-110 mph and what I like about the XT is it plays like an X but doesn’t feel boardy like a lot of X shafts do to me. It has a little higher torque than a lot of X shafts. It’s is stable but smooooth!
Please test driver and iron shafts that are sst pured and compare to not sst pured shaft...
yes good idea
the key here is never pay full retail for your driver, buy a used head or shaft or both.
Not many AVERAGE golfer can afford just one club, let alone $300 more each, for 3 wood shafts. Golf, like many other sports are pricing themselves out of business. It may be another 5 years or so before they realize it, but the crap is just 4 times more than I can afford. I'm glad those of you=who can, but realize than most of us could NEVER do it. I would love to have a current driver, but I just bought a NEW one last year that was a 4-5 year old driver. The same reason I could never get custom fitted, not even for one club because it is so expansive for the fitting.
only point would be the custom fit is £25 and refunded if you purchase so not sure about the high cost of custom fit
I dont understand all the aftermarket shaft hate going around. First of all its usually a one time purchase. You get fit for it, and you can play it for life. Its not like your buying this every year. Second thing i dont hear anybody mentioning is the manufactuers tolerences. An aftermarket shaft usually has tighter tolerences. Stock shafts can vary from shaft to shaft quite a bit. You get an aftermarket and you know what your getting. But the differences between stock and aftermarket arent that big. Its not going to take ten, or even 5 strokes off your game. But there definitely is a difference in feel most of the time.
No hate from me Landon, simple test and reported results if it looked different to you?
Sorry my comment wasnt really directed at your results, i feel like your test and results were fair. Just your video had bad timing in following crossfields video where all the hate is comin from 🙄
I use tensi blue would out play an up charge shaft for me everyday and I have tried tensi in my opinion best shaft on the market tour ad waste of 300 lids people need to wake up and look at the results in dispersion on your vlog Andy proof in the pudding
Yeah in this case there was not enough in the results to justify the up charge
Isn’t that orange shaft the same as what tossfield uses🤔 I’m sure he was slagging off shaft upgrades
Could bb not sure
@@TheAverageGolfer Yes it is and when Titleist were fitting him for a rescue club ,he went for the most expensive shaft he tested and was gushing it was the same as Jordan spieth uses ,
Nope never lads always standard shafts from fitting👍
like most I think
Hit loads of shafts. Still using a ten year old Aldila RIP in my TS2, outperforms everything I've tested.
if it aint broke....
@@TheAverageGolfer Rip is a great shaft very stable
That GD shaft your hitting is only +£60 on an Epic Flash but +£220 on a Titleist...... work that out??????
very valid point and we need to look further into this
Based off the negative views on upgrading your shaft to a aftermarket one, it’s all the same demographic 55+ who have been rocking the same driver for 15 years. I don’t think they understand the feel difference which makes a golfer wayyyy more confident when walking up to a tee. People will spend $600 on a bag but not upgrade there driver shaft which makes absolutely no sense to me
£450 for a driver should and does come with a very good shaft.. no upgrade needed..
not always
Depends how serious you take the game
I don't trust your numbers either. 2 yards greater carry with a lower ball flight should equate to a different angle of landing and greater roll out. The total distance difference is equal to the carry difference. I'm not buying it and would want to see that "on course."
Love ur video. But your audio guy not so much.
A bit unfair to claim that up charge shafts don’t perform better than stock shafts when you’re only trying one variation. I’d be fine if you tried 3 or 4 different shafts (stock & up charge) and came to the same conclusion, but not just trying one.
I’m after the head as well for £300😂
That would be no. Waist of money for the average golfer as you have just proven. Low single figure handicap and scratch markers might get an advantage out of it. Spend the extra cash on some lessons. Just my opinion.
Never
I would have to be one drunken sailor to spend $300 for a shaft!! All I would feel is shafted!!
like it
I ALWAYS use upgrade shafts
worth it?
@@TheAverageGolfer Yes, because I'm worth it.
@@danthemanwhocancan have you considered shampoo commercials
I'm sorry but why would you still pay full price for a driver head! No shaft no grip £400 driver plus £250 for an upgraded shaft I think the manufacturers are running out of ideas, or more to the point out pricing a lot of players it's getting ridiculous, I've seen a few videos about how silly pxg is but your now talking £650 for a ts1/2/3/4
All my drivers shaft(3) are all better shafts
worth it?
@@TheAverageGolfer
Yes a lot stiffer in tour specs (xstiff) and lower launching,lower torque
@@TheAverageGolfer
And i shop on ebay and never pay more than 100$
@@mrdudelove1 sounds like the best way to buy if you know your specs
@@TheAverageGolfer
Exactly
I have a R15 430cc (speeder 757 evolution tour specs Xstiff)
JetSpeed Tp(Rbz matrix HD6 Xstif
SLDR Tp white(Aldila Rip phenom
Xstiff)
All bombers 300 carry😎
This seems like it’s aimed at very low handicappers rather than your every day golfer, stopped watching when they talked about pricing zzzz
You guys are talking nonsense. I play with the Graphite Design ADDI 6S shaft and I was custom fit for this shaft due the charachteritics of my swing when I was fit at the Titlesit fitting centre. The combination of the right shaft and the right head gave me an overall increase in distance of 17 yards.
Please watch a qualitty channel like TXG Golf or Golf Principles - Jason Mcniven. Jason has over 400 upgrade shafts at his establishment at different price points and different flexes - weights - colours and prices.
When i recently bought my new driver I upgraded the shaft on Clubhouse Golf when i purchased my Callaway Epic Flash - the upgrade charge was £60.for a £300 shaft. I could sell this shaft for.£150.all day long on ebay.
Its the combination of the correct head and shaft that makes the difference
Thanks for your quality insight Richard
Richard Skinner ,well put mate couldn't agree more ,when you hit an after market quality shaft you will have full confidence that when you revive it it will be the same as what you tested ,some stock shafts vary too much and what you get might not be what you tested .Quality control on after market shafts is much better as well as the material that they are made from .
First
STD shaft, I don't know if anyone wants one of those 🤣
So much bad information here.