The Real Reason Vader Did THAT to the Town People (This is AWESOME)
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2022
- In obi-wan Kenobi episode 3, Vader went full dark side on the town people while Obi-Wan watched. I believe there was more to this than just 'Vader being evil Sith Lord'. I read a lot of comments questioning why Vader did this, what his motive really was, and I think I have found it, at least in theory.
I think Vader was trying to show obi-wan that Anakin Skywalker was long gone, and that he is so far from the Jedi at this point, that he's doing all these things to innocent people. Sort of boasting to Kenobi.
What do you think?
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Same thing happened in Clone Wars, Maul’s literal introduction to Kenobi, is him massacring an entire village’s children primarily to draw a Jedi out, Obi-Wan more so. It’s a taunt, all Sith do it
Glad someone else remembered this
Yeah and in the first duel obi got whooped both times but w maul lthough it was a 2v1
@@galagize9233 savage oppress and maul fought Obiwan. Obiwan defeated both and made them run away. Rebels was a stomp 🤷
@@legostmoeliot4360 obi-wan did hold his own but I don’t think it would’ve lasted much longer had he done what he’d done, but yes rebels was a stomp, a poetic one, but yes a stomp 😂
@@xxlonesomewolf8284 If it lasted longer, he would have won. His fighting style was Soresu and in his younger days, he was noted to have taken the most punishment out of any Jedi and still stand tall. Maul and Savage were incentivised to kill him as quickly as possible and this gave him an opening.
He was trying to lure kenobi out. Vader knew he was watching.
Exactly , when I was watching it I said to myself “he’s trying to draw him out “
No shitt
@@Thehomelessathlete 2 seconds ago
Too bad this version of Kenobi is such a coward
Agreed, Vader thought a Jedi like Kenobi couldn't just sit there and watch people get murdered.
The grand inquisitor said it in the first episode, that defending people is like a itch and they can't help themselves. He was effectively trying to flush him out most likely thinking initially Obi-Wan wouldn't run.
I agree with this, my thought was he was baiting Obi-wan out. I think he thought Obi-wan, clone wars, Jedi Master Kenobi would not run and would not let this continue, he'd jump out and fight.
@@JerryOvesen That's exactly what it was, Vader paused and looked at the house Obi Wan was in. Last time Anakin choked Padme and let her go because Obi Wan intervened.
@@JerryOvesen Correct. The Obi-Wan that bested him. "I am what you made me." Vader ending the pursuit was realizing Obi-Wan was afraid and haunted by his presence and his new existence as something that was very much an abomination compared to the boy he raised as his brother and friend. It shattered him and vader finally understood, and he savored it.
Thank you. The show literally gives you the answers to his motives 2 episodes before AND in the trailer. Overthinking sometimes you miss the obvious answer, the one the creators themselves came up with.
Yes true. Vader did it to provoke Kenobi to do something against it.
I like how the show started with the inquisitiors trying to appear scary and we were all not really buying it. However when Vader stepped in, the contrast shows his level of evil compared to them, making him even scarier.
Exactly why I felt people were judging the inquisitors to soon to understand the build up. They are just seeking the favor of Vader, while when we see Vader he is just pure power and rage. They stopped Vena when she attempted the same stuff on civilians because they feared Vader’s wrath for acting outside his orders. Truly shows the chain of command, and just how strong Vader is in the dark side
@@BDRpictures yeah it pissed me off how people were against Reva, she is playing her part as a young inquisitior try hard doing all she can to look good with Vader. We see in the original trilogy how many brown nose imperial officers screwed up and were murdered by Vader without hesitation.
Facts
@@nello1591 I didnt like when the actress said in an interview that he character was better than Vader... that was my first real gripe.
we all know you dont make that comparison lest ye have a death wish.
but the single worst problem i have with her character is how she's being used as a shield. dont like the show? RACISM STRIKES BACK!!! like why do they default to that?
@@shadowdragon7347 Because the facts are getting misconstrued. Yes there is a healthy bunch of fans that simply don't like the character and then there is a vocal bunch of "fans" who are verbally attacking her with racist comments and death threats a la Kelly Marie Tran style. That is actually happening too.
In my mind he’s trying to lure him out. Almost like “are you going to let these people die?”
I agree
Exactly
"The jedi code is like an itch, they cannot help it. They hunt themselves."
it’s deeper than that
While that is the motive, the reason behind the motive is what is truly interesting to think on.
I wish they’d use more music from Revenge of the Sith in this show. Such as Anakin’s Dark Deeds or The Imperial March
I literally just commented this exact thing lol. Now I see I'm not the only one who thinks this
I film entertaining vids as well my f
I wish but I doubt they will
yes. imperial march could have been used when reva arrived at inquisitorius fortress, anakind dark dees could have worked when he killed civilian and let's not forget about duel of fates that could have made a comical scene out of kenobi and vader duel :)
Yeah I feel like maybe that’s really what this show is missing. I feel like if had most of that music I feel like I’d be a lot more happier with it… but the fact that it has nothing is probably what’s taking me out of it so much. I’m still enjoying it don’t get me wrong .. but I definitely feel like it’s missing a large part of what makes SW great in the first place.
The most incredible scene in this episode was when Ben had a vision of Anakin/Vader turning back and watching him menacingly. It’s horrifying because it’s shot from far away, so you can’t really tell where in the chronology this vision is placed: is it an angry Anakin, Jedi knight and a friend, or is it already Vader, the most dangerous being in the galaxy?
Plus Ben can’t figure why he’s not burned.
And finally at that stage Ben doesn’t know how Vader now looks, so it makes sense to appear to him like that.
It’s really like a Horror scene
That was great
That scene was horribly disturbing. 😱 It reminded me of the story of Jesus in the wilderness and Satan appearing to him. That vision scene in Kenobi was a great metaphor.
Absolutely agree. I couldn’t figure out exactly why I wanted to hide under my couch but you nailed it
Exactly like a scene in the exorcist
The thing is, you've just said yourself that when Vader stops and pauses, it is with reason. Would that not also apply to why he stopped and stared at Obi-Wan as he was being dragged away by the Droid? It's pretty clear he's not afraid of the fire, or blocked by the fire. He wanted Obi-Wan to get away in that scene. Either for further punishment or out of confliction.
It mirrors other scenes when Vader has encountered Jedi in Rebels (IMO). It's a trait that only Vader has that Anakin never really had: patience. I think he feels really confident and is tantalized at this slow cat and mouse game. If he's reliving the past and searching for validation from the master that seemingly never respected him, once Kenobi is caught- the game is over. It's like he's so hurt he can really only enjoy those few moments he has him in his grasp, holding him over the fire. That and it's episode 3 so why not have a fun standoff so we can have them fight again :)
He let KENOBI go because he wants to really torture him
He wants to work him over the long way
If Vader is letting him go to torture obi wan then Vader seems kind of stupid in the end. If there isn't another encounter in this series, it will be another 9 years till their final confrontation. That's on top of the 10 or more years that him and his inquisitors have already been searching. Ironic coming from the guy that says "you should've killed me when you had the chance." Not to mention the entire scene was a chase scene to begin with. Getting away was Obi wans objective after luring Vader away from the village.
One can make the argument he let Obi wan go because he is super confident in his power even after being dismembered, especially now after seeing how washed up and pathetic Obi wan is now, jedi wise.
It just felt like Vader was so calculating and menacing in the village and then he became like a monologue type villain during the showdown. It would've made more sense if he had something that he knows obi wan needs to come back to retrieve, but he currently doesnt. Or dialogue from Vader to kenobi telling him he will massacre the village once Kenobi escapes, putting the deaths on Kenobi and the jedis weakness and cowardice.
@@RayFChung way more powerful to show and not tell. It also allows for the angry or the passionate to write out essays describing what SHOULD have happened. Id say its kind of dumb to not rationalize his actions rather than offer better alternatives to what played out. In doing so You fail to see Vader can now follow them to their hideout. Its simple.
Answer is simple: to draw out Kenobi, to use Kenobi’s compassion as a way to reveal himself and finally have him in his grasp.
@water For fucking real. Do people not know what foreshadowing is anymore? The whole scene in the first episode where the Grand Inquisitor explains that the weakness of the Jedi is their compassion before Reva Force-throws a knife at a civilian to draw the Jedi out was 100% obvious foreshadowing. It foreshadowed Leia’s kidnapping to draw Kenobi out, as well as Vader’s rampage to do the same thing. You can even tell in the way they cut between Vader and Kenobi that Vader senses him and is trying to heighten his fear, which would make it much easier for Vader to just sense where he is.
Theory seems a bit rusty these days. He called the model of the T-16 Skyhopper a Lambda-Class Shuttle. They are very clearly distinguishable and they show several close-up shots of the Skyhopper toy in the show. Not to mention, why the fuck would Kenobi give Luke a toy of an Imperial ship? I don’t know how Theory could make that mistake.
yes this is also what the average viewer was understanding here. hes not being cruel for play or "show", its just that as a means, cruelty is just a method to him
This is it exactly. I think theory read a little too much into it
Yeah I feel this is pretty obvious...especially after the foreshadowing from episode 1 when they drew out the no-namer Jedi in the bar essentially the same way.
Agreed. Talk about overreach. It plugs in naturally to episode 1 of the series. Fine example of trying to make a video for views and not substance. I don't think we've seen the conflict in Vader yet. The connection to the scene from ROTJ where he says "Obi Wan once thought as you do" in a forlorn way...is what this connects.
I feel like it’s not so much, “Look at how powerful I’ve become.” To me, it’s more of a, “Look at what you made Obi-Wan.”
I feel like it’s both
@@MalikDShawn yeah, those are definitely the same sentiment for Vader
came to the comments to say the same thing. He commented during their fight "I am what you made me". He is lashing out at Obi-wan and trying to make him feel guilty and afraid and it worked. He doesn't want to just crush Kenobi by force, he want's to break his spirit.
@@symbolik4372 now this is pod racing
@@reyskywalker666 yup adding to obiwan's guilt moreso than he felt before
He was basically saying “screw you come stop me from killing these people” Obi Wan has showed nothing but cowardice, and selfishness almost the entire three episodes. I think this whole scenario is what will drive him to get his old mindset back.
He is just very focused on protecting Luke, which honestly is very reasonable as he and Leia are the best hope for the Galaxy.
If Obi-Wan had been tasked with watching over Leia instead, he’d be just as committed to that task.
His reluctance to help Bail is entirely justified, considering how quickly everything went to hell.
I’m not sure how he could possibly make it back to Tatooine and continue his actual mission without being noticed, but canon dictates that he must.
This was like a Star Wars horror show, they made Vader’s entrance horrifying, great episode!
I agree. His casual pursuit of Obi Wan reminded me of Michael Meyers stalking Jamie Lee Curtis in the original Halloween. Very well done
@@brianbeisheim7908 yeah that’s what I heard too that and jason vorhees, I think it makes it better, Star Wars horror would be interesting movie genre
The only time i screamed in star wars
This makes Vader’s line “I am what you MADE me” that much more heartbreaking. Vader places all the blame for his evil actions onto Kenobi, and you can tell how guilt-ridden Kenobi is over this.
The saddest part is that Anakin isn't wrong. All of the council's inaction/actions are why he is who he is today. From suppressing emotions to treating his padawan like a traitor and kicking her to the curb. to the whole Hardeen thing...his transition thanks to Clone Wars is justified.
@@TheRibottoStudios i agree this line meant some much more than just the suit.
He's a master of "force guilt."
@@TheRibottoStudios That's the most stupid take I've ever seen. You make it as if Anakin had no agency and lacked the strength of character to make his own decisions. Yes, the council did a lot of wrong, and yes they were lazy, but they shoulder a part of the blame along with Palpatine and, mostly, Anakin himself. You discount the amount of good that Obi-Wan actually did and the amount of compassion and personal loyalty that Padmé and Ahsoka taught him, and Anakin has nobody but himself to blame for how he betrayed those loyalties. The Jedi Council may have played a part in how he fell to darkness, but certainly had no part in how he choked and essentially killed his own wife.
@@TheRibottoStudios He's wrong in how he chose to respond to the corruption of the jedi. Ahsoka is the perfect example. She saw the corruption and chose to leave the order but still fought for good, while Anakin chose the path of darkness. He had MANY opportunities to choose different pathways. Everyone has a choice, even if those choices are heartbreakingly difficult
It’s literally what he taught the inquisitors: “The Jedi hunt themselves, the code is like an itch, they cannot help it”
The jedi hunt themselves...such a stupid ass line
@@Stranger69in Well I don`t thing it`s stupid. You can at most say it is a cliché, but it is true. Jedi are compelled to help other people, and that's their weakness.
That's a weird line though 😅. Vader obviously attacked the villagers and killed innocent people to lure KENOBI out of hiding. I really don't understand why Star Wars Theory overthinks about Star Wars content because he's usually WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING 😂. I appreciate Disney Star Wars for having scenes like these in this episode it made Episode 3 my favorite so far. Exactly it's Vader's cybernetics plus his rage and anger enhancing his Force abilities each moment especially in Obi Wan's presence being that he's the man responsible for his injuries on Mustafar. It's definitely his time under Tattoine's double red Suns and the PTSD plus his sedentary and out of practice lifestyle not utilizing his Force abilities so him feeling Vader reaching out to him through The Force is making him go crazy obviously. EPISODE 3 WAS DOPE 👊. Crazy thing is Vader's much stronger now than he was as Anakin Skywalker before he ever reached his potential in The Force. His pain and suffering from his burnt skin, missing limbs and lungs makes him stronger in The Dark Side. James Earl Jones voicing Darth Vader with Hayden Christensen's acting ONSCREEN was EPIC ASFLIP 👊❤️. EWAN MCGREGOR KILLED IT. His Obi Wan being rusty because of a decade of a sedentary and out of practice lifestyle as a Jedi not utilizing his Force abilities made it a completely unfair fight against Vader who's now much stronger in The Dark Side. I like Friend as The Grand Inquisitor but Moses Ingram as Reva is still pretty good despite her character being annoying because she's supposed to be written that way. It's pretty sweet so far the first two episodes are pretty good and I love how Obi Wan Kenobi is shown being depressed since Order 66 wiped out the majority of Jedi in The Jedi Temple. I just hate how Star Wars fans ruin enjoying anything related to Star wars. NOBODY HATES STAR WARS MORE THAN STAR WARS FANS. I don't understand why so called Star Wars fans who are really purists go about saying racist and bigoted things to Star Wars actors and actresses like Moses Ingram the same way they have done towards Hayden Christensen's acting as Anakin Skywalker and Kelly Marie Tran as Rose Tico.
Theory you're wrong. He did that because he was trying to lure Obi-Wan out because he sensed he was there but didn't know exactly where.
It's as they said "The Jedi hunt themselves"
Vader's exact words in ANH were, "when I left you, I was but the learner...now I am the master", suggesting that he is referring to when he first walked away from the jedi. The term "left" suggests that he couldn't be referring to a battle against obi-wan in the new show. I am preparing myself to be disappointed.
I think when he saw the droid saving him it seemed like he was remembering that it was him that was always saving him. That long pause watching a man he once loved weak and not someone who looked like they defeated the enemy. More like a man defeated who lost everything he loved like Anikan did. It was not what he expected to see and I’d be curious as to what D Chow had in mind for that scene
It shows how different Kenobi and Anakin is now since the clone Wars days. Kenobi has lost his ways "not the person I used to be", and Vader finally accepted the dark side.
Star Wars theory, you made a mistake in your last video. Vader says, "when I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master". This is true already, when Anakin left Obi Wan, he was the learner. The quote doesn't even speak to anything but what happened when he first left him as his teacher, which we saw in revenge of the sith.. The difference actually matters here for what they can do and not break canon
@@t14dann18 Why post this under another comment though? 🤣
It’s real life. I had a business I sold about a decade ago that I spent about a decade building. Even though I started the business, my old apprentice is the master now. 😀
It's really dumb that obi wan needs to be protecting Luke but decides to just give up on being a Jedi, which also very not Kenobi in itself. But Yoda also told him he'd be training while protecting Luke. Just more trash Disney writing. They blew their load on the Vader Kenobi clash already too. And Vader would've straight up murdered obi wan there, he's been searching for him for that long and is like " nah let em go, palpatine won't care. " Star wars and every character is being milked and destroyed and y'all are so thirsty for anything star wars you drink it up. Star wars fans my ass, everyone should be outraged at this shit
@@HorrorParadise Because i wanted SW theory to see it and this comment had a lot of attention on it. I think it's important because he's gonna run down the show and make his fans negative about it if he gets cannon wrong and I want people to enjoy Kenobi (if it's worth enjoying)
Ewan acted his ass off. There wasn't a miss with his reactions and expressions. He truly is an amazing, provoking actor. His fear and wonder of Vader and what Anakin became is so well displayed in his acting. It made me feel anxious and stressed and just wow. Really loving this series so far.
Same I don’t get why some people are hating on it and swtheory said the planet was too earth like bruh most of us Star Wars fans have high expectations but nothing is never perfect anyways imma stop my rant and go rewatch kenobi because unlike some I like it so good day to you sir
@@oxygen2034It's legitimately really good so far. Some people are hating for all the wrong reasons, but to me personally, it's giving me what I wanted. Was not expecting a confrontation between the two so early, and jesus christ, It's exactly what I wanted. But I agree with SWTheory, they need to meet again, which they will, otherwise it does break canon and make things weird.
@@myka4337 yes I totally agree
100% Agree!!
I think that this scene wasn't actually acting, if i recall correctly, it was the first time that he had seen hayden in his full Vader suit and he was genuinely terrified, might be wrong tho
You hit the nail right on the head man. It was my fav episode so far and Hayden does a good job acting even though he is in a suit because like you said it’s hard to film that and it probably makes it even harder for Hayden because he actually has to act out and portray emotions with no facial expressions
I loved that when he was talking from his throne, you clearly heard the James Earl Jones voice, of classic Vader. Then when he tells Obiwan "This is what you made me into!" , you can clearly hear Anakin's dark voice. Those details really show the thought that Debra Chow put into converging the The classic and the new Vaders. You can see how she's doing that with Obiwan and even Leiah, as well. I think it's great!
I think that lime is critical to the scene discussed here. He wants Kenobi go feel responsible for what he’s doing because he created this monster. Anakin is trapped. The conflict is real. Anakin feels guilty for what he’s done. Vader handles that by shifting the blame to Kenobi.
@@adamrfox exactly, you even feel that conflict at the end of episode 6!
“The Jedi hunt themselves.” I think Vader’s actions was to try to trigger Kenobi to save the people. Also I think Vader let’s Kenobi go as he see’s he has help. Letting them go will possibly lead them to more Jedi or those helping the Jedi. The Jedi hunt themselves.
Agreed.
Totally agree. That’s what I thought that he was trying to provoke kenobi to come out and scare him at the same time
I agree, I think you are correct.
@@NathanG454 never have I ever seen Kenobi spelt like that lol
@@BluePlaysGames It was talk to text LOL you didn’t understand it 🤣🤣🤣 I’ll fix it
"I am what you made me." That line haunts the shit out of me. It is both sad and terrible at the same time. There was so much depth to that scene. I loved it.
I actually did hit the spot this is Vader's prime time wow what a episode huh the way he got back at obi wan wow lmao that was not expected
Indeed. The past and the present collide.
LOL the most generic basic piece of dialogue ever written 🤡🤡
@@Smj1303 Gonna cry? 🤡
@@mavvynne444yes. When I hear this dialogue I want to cry
I love this review! I truly believe you're on point about Vader's motive. A good scene doesn't need to be spoon fed with dialogue but attempts to use EVERY sense and nuance available to deliver the story.
I totally agree. I mentioned it during your watch party but you have such a big chat I know you cant read them all. He was just showing OB1 exactly how powerful he is now. Also to insight fear into OB1. Thanks for the great content Theory you are awesome!!
I think an underrated part of the show was anakin in the desert as a obi hallucination that was so creepy but sad
It was a good bit of foreshadowing. We knew that he was going to encounter Vader, but seeing Hayden Christensen's Anakin, with the darkened eyes of the Dark Side, showed us what was really happening. Obi-wan was still very much reeling from the death of Anakin and probably expected/sensed that he would see him again. I think that's why he was so shocked that when he saw him, it was nothing like the vision.
My thought on the brutality of Vader in the streets was that it was just plain and simple tactic of getting Obi-Wan to come out and help stop the injustice basically just trying to get him to come out of hiding or every time he was doing that it felt like Obi-Wan was almost tapping into the force a little bit to almost jump in and prevent which helps Vader sense where he is while hunting him out
I think it was just part of his snuffing out Obi-Wan/a little bit of like what you were saying flexing to show he is really powerful now and not holding back.
Yea this is what I thought as well
Reva the Third Sister literally did the same thing to uncle Owen earlier, hoping Obi-Wan would come out of hiding
Yes
Thats exactly why he did it.
I agree completely! Especially since they showed this same tactic with Reva in the first episode with Nari. It might be some of the reasons mentioned in the video as well but I think using the innocents as a means to draw out Obi-Wan was the primary reason.
are people forgetting that vader actually says in a new hope “when i LEFT YOU i was but the learner now i am the master” meaning in revenge of the sith when he turns to the dark side. he doesn’t say “wHeN wE lAsT mEt” so this show won’t “retcon” anything with that fight
But he also says , “ we meet again , master “ so there probably will be some sort of more balanced fight with a little more dialogue involved
@@hadesunderworld4203 i’m pretty sure 2 fights in this show was already confirmed so idk why everyone is panicking
You’re insight is great man. I can’t believe I haven’t seen your RUclips page until now. Can’t wait for the 4th episode of the show already.😃
This is the closest we’re getting to Vader in the comics….He’s so brutal and barbaric, people who are more casual fans and don’t look too much into other material are starting to see Vaders true side that we didn’t really see of much in the movies
The Marvel comics are very good, as well as the books.
What Vader comics should I start with
@@mellofan2012 the first one of course
Need a dedicates Vader movie. More of the rogue one slaughter and cold indifference.
Exactly what I was thinking. Vader obviously attacked the villagers and killed innocent people to lure KENOBI out of hiding. I really don't understand why Star Wars Theory overthinks about Star Wars content because he's usually WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING 😂. I appreciate Disney Star Wars for having scenes like these in this episode it made Episode 3 my favorite so far. Exactly it's Vader's cybernetics plus his rage and anger enhancing his Force abilities each moment especially in Obi Wan's presence being that he's the man responsible for his injuries on Mustafar. It's definitely his time under Tattoine's double red Suns and the PTSD plus his sedentary and out of practice lifestyle not utilizing his Force abilities so him feeling Vader reaching out to him through The Force is making him go crazy obviously. EPISODE 3 WAS DOPE 👊. Crazy thing is Vader's much stronger now than he was as Anakin Skywalker before he ever reached his potential in The Force. His pain and suffering from his burnt skin, missing limbs and lungs makes him stronger in The Dark Side. James Earl Jones voicing Darth Vader with Hayden Christensen's acting ONSCREEN was EPIC ASFLIP 👊❤️. EWAN MCGREGOR KILLED IT. His Obi Wan being rusty because of a decade of a sedentary and out of practice lifestyle as a Jedi not utilizing his Force abilities made it a completely unfair fight against Vader who's now much stronger in The Dark Side. I like Friend as The Grand Inquisitor but Moses Ingram as Reva is still pretty good despite her character being annoying because she's supposed to be written that way. It's pretty sweet so far the first two episodes are pretty good and I love how Obi Wan Kenobi is shown being depressed since Order 66 wiped out the majority of Jedi in The Jedi Temple. I just hate how Star Wars fans ruin enjoying anything related to Star wars. NOBODY HATES STAR WARS MORE THAN STAR WARS FANS. I don't understand why so called Star Wars fans who are really purists go about saying racist and bigoted things to Star Wars actors and actresses like Moses Ingram the same way they have done towards Hayden Christensen's acting as Anakin Skywalker and Kelly Marie Tran as Rose Tico.
Are we not going to mention how his breathing paused for a moment he sensed Kenobi? That in it self was so phenomenal.
No we are not
I’ll mention that because it was a great way to show Vader’s emotions
@@jeremytoth7635 Right? Well said.
@@asimhussain8716 Will you please fix the issues with modern day writing for us?
@@asimhussain8716 as you can see I've been applauding his breathing, clearly. Sounds like you might be a future writer?
Man can I just say I love hearing you talk about Star Wars in a way all fans should. Loving this series, loving your vids on it and can’t wait for more of your content!! Your a beast!!
Interesting that you say “just actions” when only a couple of scenes earlier, in that episode, Tia delivers the line, “Actions speak louder than words.”
I feel like the fact that the setting felt “earth-like” is what made it terrifying. I was genuinely freaked out. One of the best scenes in the episode.
The landscape reminded so much of the hills and mountains of Wyoming
Ok, if you say so
@@hunterhadsall9268 I couldn't stand the earth like scenes, they even had had some episodes in mando that were like that. It makes everything feel out of place. It felt like Vader in Kenobi were running around in some construction site with mounds of dirt lol
@@brentiverson1654 I feel it actually adds a sense of grittiness to the show, having the set design look like this. Also why the Stormtroopers were looking grubby and dirty made sense for realism purposes.
@@SWDude2710 Yyyyyaaaaa no, just no
They literally go over this in the first episode when the GI was in that cantina. “The Jedi Code is like an itch.” He was using the death of the people to make him come out which obviously didn’t work. Also I really like how snappy Vader’s movements are in this show specifically. There’s very few moments when he looks so hurried. It shows how badly he wants Kenobi
This is what I was getting, too. Trying to draw him out with carnage but he didn’t bite. I am curious if there will be a scene in the show where something similar happens again and he’s drawn out and actually fights the aggressor who’s killing/hurting innocents (whether that aggressor is Third Sister/Vader/whomever).
Loved the scene but was curious how the light saber battle would happen specifically the speed and agility of the prequels or the methodical slower style of the original trilogy and it seems like they’re using the latter.
That's exactly what it was. This guy is over analysing the scene
I agree, that was the vibe I got. Nicely put. It was kinda like sending a message, "don't try and save me obi wan," which conflicts with his memory of padme saying there's still good in him
I think you're totally on point here. Additionally, I was so stoked to hear that James Earl Jones was doing the voice of Vader. He simply *is* that character. Anytime I've played any of the SW games and a stand in is used, it always disappoints me. Anyway, back to Kenobi, I can't wait to see what comes next and hopefully they fight again and it's even more epic! MTFBWY
I went back and rewatched the episode and man, the look on Ewan's face when he has his saber ignited and he asks Vader "what have you become?" is absolutely incredible. He looks completely horrified at what is standing in front of him. Brilliant acting. He really nailed how I imagined Obi-Wan would react to finally seeing how fucked up Anakin has become.
McGregor is gonna win an Emmy for this series --- bet your ass on it
bro....and his face as he mutters “Anakin” at the end of episode 2! You can tell that Evan gave his all in these scenes
@@fredwerza3478 I really wish but the Emmy’s doesn’t really respect shows that have any “extravagant” fiction with lighthearted tones (leia). They might give them visual or audio aspect awards, but they don’t want to give “serious” (which is dumb) awards to a show “like” Kenobi. I would love it if he did win though
Well said !!
He doesn't say when we last met, he says "when I left you". This could indicate so many things. It still could simply be referencing him leaving in episode 3. Best not to be dogmatic about this people.
Excellent excellent point
Yeah. The line in ANH is extremely vague and absolutely open to interpretation. I don't see how anyone has a problem with them meeting before that at all. Just seems like nitpicking to me /shrug
Omg yes. If people are going to nit pick at least get the damn quote right.
Thank you i have been begging someone makes that comment cuz i really really wanna see vader get some more revenge then just a lighter burn
I am pretty sure that after their fight on Mustafar Vader with all his arrogance and Sith confidence would never see himself as learner of Obi-Wan again, but that is just my view on it.
You're putting way more thought into it than the writers did.
Absolutely love your channel keep up the amazing work
"I am what you made me" is the line that explains this in my opinion. He wants to show Obi-wan how miserably he failed and that his failure created a monster.
Indeed. The past and the present collide.
@@unknownsword9042
Nicely put. We all know it wasn't his fault though. Sidious,Sidious,Sidious,Sidious, lol
Wasn’t Obi-Wans fault. Was a classic case of Hoes before bros. Anakin was simping at the highest level.
@@jimwates8047 For sure. This is just from Vader's pov
I thought he sensed Kenobi was near and was trying bring him out by hurting innocents, I thought the look on Kenobi’s face the first time their sabres connected and he felt Vaders power was perfect, he really looked shocked and scared..
That's because Ewen kinda was lol. He admitted to as much in an interview.
@@roserichards1460 its also a homage to the old western Sergio Leone movies where the "mysterious" bandit/criminal whos coming to get a former sheriff who either shot him or put him in jail who got out and who is now a nomad by shooting innocent civilians to get him to become a "sheriff" again ....which i love of course
This was great to listen to. The over arching metaphors of that scene are self evident and your assessment is dead on. I haven’t read a ton of the expanded universe but any of the siths ascension into becoming more powerful always depicted higher thresholds of malevolence as the gas and engine (if you will) to becoming more realized masters-and it distorts them along the way. There has been some depictions I believe of shouldering this chaos and having to stabilize it internally.
I really hope the Star Wars shows and films gets more into the inner meditational states as depictions of higher stabilizations of connectivity to the force. It’s been my feeling they have not explored this enough. The clone wars touch on it particularly with ruins and relics or quantum entanglement say with obi and a akin merging but more expose on inner trance states during practice would be really amazing to see. Hoping to see some of that with obi connecting to his master. So much potential there.
From watching your videos about Vader and how the comics just portray a brutality that makes you think “good thing this is only a comic”. When I saw him do that I was speechless but also understanding. And now with you pointing out how much more there was to it and the feeling and human side to what you can’t see from not seeing facial expressions. Its like you said Poetic and that makes it x1000 scarier. Bravo 👏
He was trying to lure him out. He wanted Obi-Wan to come out and help the people being killed. But Kenobi was more terrified.
Which further emphasizes how far Kenobi has fallen
@@akeemje12 a rat in the desert
yup, the kenobi he remembers would have tried to stop vader right away, its really cool storytelling imo cuz it really shows how low kenobi is right now, and we’re going to see how he climbs back up into the great jedi master that he is. this series is almost a masterpiece, if they played the last 3 episodes correctly it will be the best star wars ever next to RotS
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to… suffering.
I think Vader is still suffering, and I think Vader indirectly is trying to break Obiwan. He’s trying to make Obiwan suffer as much as he has. But I don’t think Vader realizes how broken Obiwan already is.
Obiwan is in a dangerous place emotionally based on Jedi teachings.
Prior to learning of Vaders survival Obiwan was filled with guilt at his failure, he still needs to let that go. Now his fear is that he can’t beat Vader, and should he? He still believes in Padme, and her belief that “There is still good in him Obiwan”
It will be incredible to see the rise of General Kenobi, Jedi Master, Master of Form 4 fighting rise again to show that Anakin is still but a learner, and even while broken Obiwan is the Master.
Good take on this. I had a similar take, the only variation in mine is I thought Vader killed those people to see if Obi-Wan would come to save them, once Vader was able to kill those people he knew Obi-wan was different.
ngl better take
Spot on analysis and explanation of that scene. It was very well filmed and acted. The whole time I was in shock and it was the thing of nightmares, a nightmare scenario if you will. Absolutely brutal but also a very well played game of cat and mouse where one was at a huge disadvantage.
Love seeing his channel exploading
It really is no wonder obiwan refers to anakin as murdered by Vader. Anakin has pretty deliberately and obviously chosen to become someone else, and actively destroyed what he was before.
That was George Lucas retconing himself not knowing that he’d be making more Star Wars films. Anakin and Vader were originally two different people in A New hope.
@@pnlester I feel like I remember reading that George had everything including the prequels planned out even before ANH came out? Could be wrong tho.
Ah there in lies the fallacy of such thinking. Anakin Skywalker died on coruscant.. Darth Vader died on Mustafar.
@@pnlester From a script intention point of view, true. But authorial intentions are irrelevant, only what eventually appears on screen. So - whilst that authorial intention can still be "read" if only viewing A New Hope, it cannot be sustained by what follows, and there is nothing that contradicts the latter reinterpretation of it being a metaphor that aired. The metaphor is canon. The original authorial intent is just an interesting historical documentation.
@@magmapixel8627 He did - but there were very substantial changes. Obi-wan did not originally die in the first film. Vader & Anakin were separate etc...
The line is “when I left you I was but the learner”
Vader doesn’t necessarily have to lose his next duel with Obi-Wan. That line could also refer to when Anakin left Obi-Wan’s side in revenge of the Sith
But he was just a learner in the dark side at that point. He was already a pretty darn amazing Jedi. He only lacked wisdom.
Hey this is what I essentially said the other day
@@cryxbaby2250 Why haven't others picked up on this???
It could also be taken as “when you and I fought (in kenobi) you saw how powerful I was, and I was just a learner then. Now I’m a master so you think you can beat me this time?”
Very good point!
This video gave me a hope 😊 (i love your take on this scene)
Great review!
Vader is sadistic, but there's a method to the madness. Not just in keeping his underlings in line, but to fuel his dark side juice since he always had trouble separating Anakin from Vader.
Which makes sense; they're not as separate as people think. Vader just going in and murking people left and right is for two reasons: to draw out Obi-Wan and show his Inquisitors "this is what happens when you fail me." I have two favorite scenes from that episode: that scene of the close up shot of the mask...then BAM he turns so QUICK it's like something out of a horror movie. And "you cannot run." BAM Kenobi turns on the saber; it's a GREAT callback to when he tells Leia that the Force is like turning on the light when you're afraid of the dark.
And Obi-Wan was petrified.
Darth Vader a ghost story to the regular folk, a living legend to the imperials, and a nightmare for the rebels. And here's the rub....this side was always in Anakin; we saw him Force Choke people all the time in Clone Wars. We saw him murder in cold blood, he had no problem with killing people he thought deserved to die. And that transitioned over into Vader who even in the Orig Trig would murder his officers just for incompetence.
@@newhybrid101 what so CHOKING PEOPLE TO DEATH which is a slow and PAINFUL way to die isn't sadistic? He was ALWAYS sadistic hon. Even in the original trilogy.
It's called "sadistic glee", gang🤔
It gave Anakin/Vader such sadistic glee to see his former master Obi Wan terrified so.
Even Vader actually LETTING Obi Wan RUN AWAY was the same. Vader probably felt Obi Wan wasn't a "big enough challenge" after that pitiful duel, so he LET Obi Wan run away & FEEL what Vader felt on Mustafar; so they could later meet & Vader could "finish it".
People DON'T "understand"...unless they've BEEN THERE for real🤔
I gotta stop here🤔
I let that part of me GO a long time ago...
From Order66 & Mustafar...up to NOW (& into Epi4) we see WHY Obi Wan had such severe PTSD.
Anakin/Vader was a tortured soul because he craved power over everything & everyone he thought "held him back"...& ironically, The Jedi, The Republic, The Empire & even The Sith/Sidious ALWAYS DID...in one way or another.
Really messed up dudes🤔
Haha. This got me thinking of the time he tried to fight Clovis with a lightsaber, and Clovis called him out on it. Anakin was ready to kill somebody.
They should’ve demonstrated Vaders power better. The sand should’ve started shaking, people should’ve dropped to their knees as they felt his dark energy, he should’ve pried open the front of the first home and ripped the villager out before snapping his neck and rag dolling him to the ground. The slow walk through town is cool, but we should’ve felt his power more. I would’ve shot the ENTIRE fight (if you can call it a fight) scene differently. No cuts. Farther and closer shots of both men, more references to their last fight, w maybe Kenobi scrambling up a dirt pile to get the high ground but Vader is too strong now and just yanks him down w the force. I def wouldn’t have done the stupid fire scene the same way. “I can’t see him!””We can’t get through!”, like dude it’s waist high fire just fucking go around it, and only ONE? ally shooting down at them? Should’ve been multiple rebels. Vader could’ve sensed one person and yanked her down, remember this is a guy who can pull starships down from fucking space.
Soooo many head scratching/wasted moments.
@@TWHowl We've already seen his power though. I think what's more impressive than that even is when he held back the water in Fallen Order. According to SCIENCE that water weight/pressure was 150,561.361 US tons. And my man was holding that much water basically the OCEAN back. Like...it's...this is a LIQUID he's holding back one wrong move and BAM he drowns. Not to mention, even before he drowns, at that depth, even Vader would be CRUSHED like a twig underfoot. We don't need to see him using FULL POWER all the time because it makes the times he DOES use full power less special.
I feel that after my 21 years of life, that episode’s Vader invoked fear in me too. They really shoot him as an unstoppable monster, the kind you see in horror movies everywhere. The feeling of helplessness, I felt that watching Obi Wan dangling like a rag doll. Vader was just playing with his food 100% of the time in that part, psychologically, physically, etc.
Agreed
Another 20 years is going to leave you completely mind fucked lol
This series is depressing as hell --- Vader is more fearsome than I could've imagined, and Obi-Wan is such a sad shell of his former glory
Loved finally seeing Obi Wan and Vader together again. Funny thing is, my cousin was an extra in the episode. He was one of the townspeople that ran help to the person Vader had dragged through the street. He was also an extra in the first episode, and appeared on screen with the Organas on a landing platform.
great stuff as always. great insight.
I think it was a pretty straightforward move from Vader, he wanted to draw out Kenobi knowing he was in the vicinity and knowing there’d be a chance he’d come out and want to stop him (Kenobi knew this though).
PS - but him doing all this plus lighting the oil to do what he did to him on Mustafar and his thoughts of doing the same to Kenobi in the comics, shows how sadistic he is now.
I film entertaining vids as well
vader saw how weak obi wan has become. he definatly could afford to toy with kenobi
@@streetridersss8360 exactly. It’s like he also didn’t want to “finish” him because it would’ve been unsatisfying, he wants Kenobi to suffer.
@@craigydh I mean he could have disperse the fire and catch obi wan, but he didn't
I didnt see it as him baiting kenobi but him showing kenobi how evil he has become because he knew he was watching
Torturing innocents is an effective tactic against Jedi. It's like nails on a chalk board, disrupting their concentration to the light and in this case, making it easier for Vader to sense where Kenobi is hiding.
It went beyond torture into the serial killer realm. He’s changed forever. Thanx Disney!
@@scottsharp3356 He literally killed kids in episode 3. tf you talking about
@@krounos1 LOL. He should read some novels and see how the dark side works and what feeds it.
@@scottsharp3356 do you… even know who darth vader is?
It’s like an itch…
This makes a lot of sense. I had this thought while watching the episode, and then I started questioning it cause Tala mentioned earlier that they’ve been killing anybody who’s force sensitive. Although I know the reasoning was to draw Obi Wan out, I initially thought he was just wiping out anybody on the planet that was force sensitive. Made me feel so many emotions watching that scene
i am enjoying the show..but this channel with awesome content ans wonderful comments i get to enjoy it so much more..i love when smarter ppl make me think :) x
It's sad that so many people don't know Vader and try to discredit the scene because of it. What Vader did there, was the most Vader thing ever. He doesn't need reason to kill people, he just needs to feel like it, which even Sidious mentions that its not always a good thing. He also wanted to terrorize his prey. Because at this point, this is what Kenobi is to him, a prey (well, a prey that he hates more than anyone in the galaxy) that's obviously below him due to the lack of training/fight over the years, so he can also allow himself to screw around and play mindgames with him, torment him in any way possible.
i just believe that seeing him choking his own officers in empire strikes back ,shows that no one is safe around him ,especially he feels like killing you lol
@@nicotipro2 that’s not even remotely the same though, Vader never killed people for no reason. There was always some sort of motive involved.
@@egil9859 there really wasn't a reason all the time. Vader did what he wanted. He was half a man in a suit full of hatred for everything and everyone including himself. This scene was exactly what I picture Vader to be.
@@egil9859 he just felt they were hiding something or they were in the way of what he was doin ,anyways wrong place wrong time for these dudes ,that was awsum to see
Remember, every aspect of Vader's life is built around annoying, infuriating and pestering him as much as possible.
His cybernetic limbs are stiff and difficult to operate, his breathing is loud and annoying, his clothes get snagged on the servos on his body, his armor is heavy and makes it difficult for him to move, his burnt skin constantly itches and he cannot scratch it, his body is necrotic and constantly gives off the stench of burning and rotting flesh, his throat stings from the damage caused by fire and toxic fumes, his helmet is bright, distracting and makes it difficult to sleep or even concentrate, he can't eat anything that isn't pumped into his body through a tube, he can't feel anything that isn't directed to his brain by cybernetic finger tips, and even when he is able to get any amount of rest, whether in his meditation chamber or bacta tank, he is perpetually tormented by the nightmares of all the horrible stuff he's done, of his overwhelming guilt at having killed Padme and his children for all he knows. He is constantly belittled and humiliated by Palpatine and reviled by pretty much the entire Galaxy as a monstrous tyrant.
He is physically, emotionally, and psychologically tortured every single day, at all hours of the day. And all of this is calculated to make him angry, irritable, and violent.
I actually believe it wasn’t so much a show of power to Kenobi, i believe he also did it in part to draw Kenobi out, kinda relating to the grand inquisitor’s earlier line “The Jedi code is like an itch; they cannot help it.” He wanted to draw Kenobi out, and maybe even use that jedi code against him, in the sense that if he didn’t decide to step out and help those people it shows how much he had truly fallen as a jedi (so sort of a humiliation tactic as well)
This scene is played out excellently, even without seeing his eyes, you can tell exactly what Vader is thinking, he knows obi wan is in the building, you can tell when he force chokes the father and looks to the left, that he’s taunting Obi-wan. It’s amazing because even though the mask isn’t moving, you can still feel the expression behind it.
This episode was EVERYTHING i've always wanted to see. I can't say how happy i am for this show, I hope we see more of Vader in the next episodes. I was a bit afraid they would put Vader as some kind of scary presence but not show much of him, but holy sith, was i jumping everywhere while watching this episode!!
The episode has a line in it that: “actions are greater than words” - and there were no words from Vader until “I am what you made me.” It was darkly poetic, and really great thematic writing.
And the line line where he said you should’ve killed me when you had the chance. Not like it’s the most cliched dialogue ever lmao
It's not like Vader was lying. Obi-Wan SHOULD have killed him when he had the chance. Every civilian, rebel, imperial, and Jedi Vader has killed...their blood is on Obi-Wan's hands because he couldn't finish the job.
@@rippera45 Hardly. Vader is the reason they are dead. It wasn't up to Obi Wan to kill him, he left him to the will of the force and being the chosen one, he eventually brought balance to the force as the prophecy foretold (it just killed a lot of people along the way).
What!!!!! Looooool. The writing is horrendous! Damn son!
@@thesaltmerchant4564 everything is fucking cliche bruh. It goes well with the moment and it’s no cheesy.
He doesn’t say “when we last met” he says “when I left you” meaning Anakin leaving Obi-wan when Anakin turned to the dark side, whatever they do it won’t retcon that line.
I agree, "when I left you" sounds a lot more like " when I left you, the Jedi and the light side" than "when I caught up to you on that mining planet 9 years ago"
Oooh, yes! Never thought of it like that, I did feel they'd tied themselves up with this but I think you may be right!
Great Video. One of your best
Bro I’m so glad I found someone who viewed it this way too I seen the moment he starts killing was him taunting kenobi just to make clear how far he has fallen or better said how far he was pushed
Dude, this scene was the epitome of how I expected Vader to act and display his power. It's like watching a horror movie, the same as the Rogue One scene at the end. Vader sees everyone else as killable or workable..for a time. I'm so happy how they handled this and looking forward to seeing more of Vader as his highest.
This is exactly what I thought as well. He sensed Kenobi’s fear and immediately started killing people. He didn’t just want to draw him out; he wanted to show Kenobi how helpless he is in this situation. It makes even more sense that Obi-Wan can’t connect with the Force and runs from him. He’s just now using the Force again, but his guilt and fear in that moment consumes him.
4:50 Anybody else get some serious Jamie Lannister vibes from Kenobi in that fight scene? Swinging that 3 pound stick like it’s a broadsword 😂
Love the intro… going back to your roots 🙏
7:12 actually what he says is “When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master.” I think that it could still make sense for Darth Vader to beat Obi-Wan again. The way he phrased it he was saying that HE was the one who left Obi-Wan. When Hayden Christiansen says this Darth Vader is conflicted, maybe he beats Obi-Wan again but can’t bring himself to kill him and Obi-Wan escapes. When he tells Obi-Wan that he was the learner but now he’s the master, maybe that means he doesn’t feel that same conflict anymore and he’s completed all his dark side training. I think it’ll be really interesting to see what they do with it
Really cool explanation. I like your view
There's a good chance this isn't the last time they meet in this series so we have yet to see their final meeting before that famous line in ANH. This particular confrontation certainly made it feel like Vader was now the master but it could be that their final confrontation sees Obi-Wan best him in some way to prove that Vader still has some learning to do and Obi is still 'more masterful' in the ways of the Force. Lots of fans are jumping the gun after this episode, still half the series to go...
@@inefekt I wasn’t trying to jump the gun or anything I’m just saying it could happen. I don’t necessarily think it’ll happen I’m just saying it’d be interesting
@@MobiusTrigger7 Well yeah I think that’s what he was saying too. I’m just saying there are a lot of possibilities that they can go with that I think would be cool
@@MobiusTrigger7 haha I’m not like a huge Star Wars fan so I’m not really familiar with everything about Star Wars. I commented to simply imply that they could potentially make it work where Darth Vader beats Obi-Wan again and it could still make sense because the guy who made this video said there’s no way it could work
This was the first time I was actually scared while seeing Vader on screen. It was really well done. Even though we know Obi-Wan will live through this series I was honestly afraid for him.
Yep, if I didn’t know Obi-Wan lives until ANH I’d have thought Vader would really burn him to a crisp right there.
I yelled "NO!" when Vader dropped Obi in the fire. It was a reaction that couldn't have even been held back if I tried. Even though I obviously know he lives through it, it was still frightening and gripping to watch. People can complain about Disney's Star Wars all they want but Vader has never been as menacing as he is on screen now until the mouse took over, ironically enough.
The expression Obi-Wan had after Vader ignites his saber was haunting. It was the same look he had seconds before Qui-Gon got killed in TPM. True face of fear.
Totally agree with your analysis of that scene. I thought the same when I was watching it. It was surprising to see such a dark scene in Star Wars. It was raw and brutal. Awesome to actually see how dark Vader really become.
Vader doesn't say "when we last met." He says "when I left you" which can be taken to mean when he went to the dark side and "left" Obi Wan and the Jedi.
No judgment towards him but Im surprised theory doesn’t know the quote that well.
I agree with this explanation (as Dooku once said: "You need surprise, *fear,* and intimidation on your side....." However, I had a different answer in mind. I thought that Vader believed Obi-Wan still held on to some aspect of the Jedi Code, so was hoping to lure out Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan, seeing innocents dying, wouldn't be able to resist and would go after Vader to stop him. We saw this in the first episode when Reva almost killed the bar owner to lure out the Jedi who saved him. Vader could have been doing the same here. Just a thought.
I love how you referenced the 2003 clone wars masterpiece lmao
This is exactly how I read the scene.
@@alexmontgomery4776 heh
im 100% sure this is the reason vader did that, yes
Awesome video, I can’t help but to notice your wall!! How did you get that done?
Great vid. 100% agree! At this point I feel like he is still consumed by rage, hatred, power crazies He wants to make Kenobi suffer. And pay for what he did. But also show how great he is. He wants to bring Kenobi to his lowest. He was almost daring him to come out and protect people.
But.
How can the 3rd sister take Leia and not take her to Vader? How can they meet and not know they are related? Defo adds to the intro scene of A New Hope. Adds depth.
How us Kenobi going to reconcile his feeling and become the jedi that defeats Maul so quickly?!
Aaaaaa too many questions
May the force be with you
Vader said "when I left I was but the learner" - he already left in Episode III, so it does not break ANH, he just refers to ROTS.
I wish more people under stood this
Exactly. That is always one of the quotes that gets misremembered.
not really. even in rots when Anakin left obi wan he was a Jedi Knight. the line from ANH would've made sense if Anakin was still a Padawan. that whole line of "The circle is now complete, when I left you I was but the learner now I am the master." is starting to become a retcon itself, it just doesn't make any sense.
@@jibril2473 Dude what are you talking about? When Anakin left Kenobi he joined the dark side, he was no longer a Jedi Knight. Not sure what you’re talking about but your thought process makes no sense not the writing.
@@jibril2473 to quote old Obi-wan, it is true "from a certain point of view". When he says "left you" it could be specifically speak to the Master/Apprentice relationship ending. When I left you as my master. It's subtle, but still works. I think they'll have Obi-wan do something with the force that Anakin doesn't understand, he'll essentially trick Anakin with a "disappearing act" of some kind and make it look like he dies. He'll use the force in a way that surprises Vader, and tricks him into essentially losing the opportunity to get his revenge. Then that quote in ANH will make even more sense.
i think “when i left you i was but the learner” refers to him leaving obi wan as a student back in revenge of the sith. the whole “left you” think doesn’t necessarily refer to their last confrontation, but to the point where he left obi wan who was still above him in rank
trust me you got it correct bro I don’t think anyone back then thought that we’d even get a kenobi show to flesh out obiwans character as well as vaders
I was just about to say the same
This line can be interrupted in may different ways. But I always thought it didn’t align with the events of Episode III. Obi Wan left Vader in their last confrontation. Also Vader sees Anakin as a different person. He wouldn’t be referring to the last interaction Anakin and Obi Wan had. One way of interpreting could be Vader referring how he was still learning the ways of the dark side during and by Episode IV he has now fully mastered the ways of the darkside.
you forget that ewan himself said theyll be fighting a “couple times” (2). kenobis gunna win the second fight after he snaps back into the great jedi that he is, which will keep continuity in place
I love the metaphorical wink at the OGs with the logo, intro and end music. 🙏 I love this channel.
I agree with you SWT, I thought the same during that scene. Can’t wait for next episode and watch party. Peace ✌🏼 and may the force be with you…
I agree 100%. It really showcases the “force of nature” aspect of Vader’s character
He really was like a tornado ripping through that town. Ppl getting sucked out of windows. OmFG.
force of nature that couldn't force grab kenobi again because.........reasons!
@@thelambsauce7223 Just like in Empire....Vader has his reasons and I love the fact that everyone knows, objectively what Vader will do...Lmao..
Vader is seen time and time again, toying with his prey. He likes the chase I think and didn't want it to end. just like in the original trilogy.
He’s still a man and he is evil at the end of the day
I think that’s “part” of it for sure. It may also have been to draw Kenobi out as well knowing that the Jedi are defenders. So it would also make him fear and Vader could feel his presence in the force even further as a means to finding him. Love the theories.
This episode turned this series around for me. Was epic. Vader was done to perfection. I loved him in rogue one but find his hand movement at the end a tad over the top. This was just plain awesome. The neck snap. Brilliantly brutal.
Somehow, the character of Darth Vader is at its finest when he is presented as a horror flick villain. We saw this here, and we saw this in Rogue One. He was just the thing you tried to get away from with one objective: *survive*.
When Reva threw the knife in order to catch the jedi in Tatooine, that scene was an echo of what Vader is doing here. Maybe he thought Kenobi will save those people... but he didn't...
Can we talk about how Reva ended up at the other end of the escape tunnel? That’s the biggest problem I have with the episode, aside from the whole Vader letting Obi-Wan go thing. Leia already had a huge head start and there’s no way Reva could have known where it led to, or had the time to go all the way around and intercept her.
Right!? My wife and I were so confused and it's a really stupid plot hole/oversight for a show with such a large budget.
Maybe when she saw the Jedi symbol she had a flashback and knew where it would lead?
I was getting really irritated by the try hard inquisitors. Apart from GT, None of them carry any fearful presence. Like a bunch of 5year olds arguing.
@@AsharpVocalAcademy 100%
Everything about Reva's character is nonsense, including her acting.
Ikr Reva is getting a little annoying now
Your breakdowns are kinda the only thing saving the show for me right now.
I agree with you, and I also believe he was trying to provoke Kenobi into trying to save the Vader's victims and reveal himself. Kenobi said he was going to lead Vader away from the Jedi safe house, and so he ran to the mine.
Seeing Vader be the sinister entity that his is, stalking his prey, taunting and testing them, and with Kenobi he would surely want him to know the true power that he has become, proving himself as a true master of the dark side, evoking fear from the target before striking. I don’t see why people are complaining?
Same here but haters gotta hate I guess (that’s the entire franchise if you ask me)
Wait what!? People are hating Vader for being such a badass villain?!?! I’m confused 😕 someone please explain
@@averyscott284 IKR
They want swhoom vrm lightsaber epic choreography. No patience for a Vader who dominates physically AND psychologically.
It's mostly the fight choreography they hate, as so many have said it's underwhelming as a first duel for the 2 characters for over a decade since this show takes place 10 years after ROTS.
I personally had no problems with it, as it made Vader that much more scary, and powerful, whilst showing how Obi Wan had fallen so much since he cut himself from the force since ROTS.
The motive was to draw him out, but I'll agree partially that his other intention was to show that he's beyond destructive.
Definitely my favorite part of this show, very close to my favorite scene in starwars live action. We never get to see how dark and badass Vader is. Here we finally got it.
"I've been waiting for this" -Count Dooku
Well said. I agree with ur perspectives. But i think there was more than showing off goin on. I think, knowing that Obi Wan was observing him, and knowing he was looking for Obi Wan, Vader wanted Obi Wan to know that every broken neck and choked villager was on his hands. The longer Obi Wan hid, the more people would die. “Come out, my old Master… and their suffering stops. U alone have the power to end this!” And yet Obi Wan continued to hide. There was nooo way Vader wasnt sensing his presence. But he still hid, hoping to somehow not have to deal with the monstrosity he created. And villager after villager paid for Obi Wan’s hesitance. He was in pure shock at what was walking down the street, clad in black… emotionless in his wake of destruction. It was so strange seeing Obi Wan that helpless and taken by his fear. But it perfectly illustrated, if the show hadnt done already, how far from the force Obi Wan has fallen. And now, que up Qui Gon’s motivational force ghost speech to get Mr Kenobi back in the game in episode 4. Guaranteed 😉
That makes perfect sense for Vader. What r those people talking about. It was definitely a way to get obi attention and lure him out hopefully
Hopefully people realize this probably is the first time Kenobi has used the force since beating Vader in RoTS. And also he not too long found out the friend he thought had died is alive. So I can see the fight not being that great between him and Vader. I think we will see a better fight later on
That's the reason Vader let him go, he could clearly see Obi Wan was not prepared at all and he thought it was to easy.
Yeah 100%, I still don’t like that it kinda throws the “I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now, I am the master” quote out of place, obi wan is clearly not the master and Darth Vader is clearly not the learner anymore, it’s one of my favourite lines in the OT and it just kinda ruins it for me.
Yeah. You could see how difficult it was just for him to catch Leia in the second episode.
@@bruhdon4748 yea either he’s going to wreck Vader for it to make sense which I would hate to see at this point since Vader clearly and should be head and shoulders above obi maybe if obi outwits him home alone style I’ll accept but if he best him in a duel I’d be upset
@@bruhdon4748 " When I left you" not "When we last saw you". He 'left' Obi-Wan when he pledged himself to Sidious. "We meet again, at last", it's ten years between this and ANH. Perhaps there is going to be some other explanation in this series.
Fantastic video🤘🏽
Always value your insights. I think you nailed it. I had wondered if he sensed Obi Wan, so started killing to temporarily boost his connection to the dark side before his fight with Obi Wan. In hindsight though, I think that's wrong and what you laid out here is much better.