OBI-WAN KENOBI EPISODE 3 BREAKDOWN VADER
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2022
- kenobi is once again reaching out to qui gon jinn, his old master. I guess in these 10 years he hasn’t been able to reach him. Yoda’s training hasn’t gone too well I guess.
as he hears voices of the past, like yoda telling him only pain will you find, qui gon’s plea to train anakin, reverberations of anakin on mustafaor, we see Vader being put together, really connecting the fact that anakin and vader are now the same person physically. obi wan can feel vader, and tells quigon that he is coming.
As Vader walks out of his chamber, which looks lke the same one from Rogue One, we get a beautiful shot of mustafar and his castle. For those new to star wars, this is the same place where he fought obi-wan and lost, burning alive. This is also where in the comics, he opened a portal beneath his castle to bring back his dead wife padme, which of course didn’t work as planned. check out the marvel darth vader comics and darth momin for more about that.
Vader sits atop his obsidian throne, as he orders Reva around. Where is he, he says, and we hear this is james earl jones iconic voice. I feel it could be perfected with some audio engineering like how luke skywalker’s voice was made in the mandalorian, being completely computer generated.
He tells her that kenobi is all that matters, not the grand inquisitor. She clearly has lied and told Vader that Kenobi killed the GI, to which of course Vader will realize that this is impossible once he fights Kenobi and sees he’s pathetic.
He explains he knows what she wants, to be the grand inquisitor. If she brings him Kenobi, he will award her the promotion. If she fails, he’ll terminate her. So Vader has definitely given the go ahead to the Empire to track Kenobi down, and notify him once they have him in near sight. Vader ends communication and gets up like a robot, his lightsaber hanging from his belt, emitter side up, just like the original trilogy.
As They land on Mapuzo, a mining system, we see a lifter droid and an R5 unit. R5 was the droid in a new hope that had the bad motivator, which was replaced by R2D2 to Luke Skywalker and Uncle Owen. This isn’t the same R5 unit, just a R5 unit.
As Obi-Wan looks out in to the distance, he sees dark side Anakin in his jedi robes. this is the first time we see Anakin played by hayden christensen in anything since revenge of the sith. I had to do a double take, I couldn’t believe it was him.
They enter a room that many Jedi have been in, this is a safe house, called the path. It all leads to Jabim, where they give the force sensitives captured by the empire, new identities and free them. As Leia asks what happens to them, it’s revealed no one ever sees them again. So I can say what happens to the is that the empire takes them in, and tries to convert them to the dark side. As Kenobi reveals carving on the walls from Quinlan Voss. This is amazing. We haven’t heard of Quinlan in forever, no one knew if he lived or died from Order 66. Quinlan was a powerful Jedi during the clone wars, he helped obi-wan on many missions and had a unique ability shared with Cal Kestis called psychometry.
I think this is Hayden in the suit.
Kenobi runs away, and he’s stopped to see Vader infront of him. Igniting his crimson red lightsaber. Obi-Wan wants no part of this and runs away. Finally igniting his saber as Vader tells him he can’t hide forever.
We get the best line where Kenobi says what have you become?
Vader puases and says I am what you made me.
They fight and it doesn’t look good for Kenobi at all, Vader overpowers him and he’s literally toying with him. 10 years have led to this moment, where Vader wants KEnobi to suffer. He’s also extremely cautious, as in this 10 years he’s had time to reflect on everything, and realizes his loss could have been avoided had he not been so arrogant and quick to make decisions. Rageful Vader is learning about Kenobi, he’s more tactful, more experienced, and more patient, waiting for the right time to unleash.
Reva finds the safe house.
Vader lifts Kenobi with the dark side of the force, choking him, spilling flammable material, as Obi-Wan drops his lightsaber.
Igniting the substance, Vader throws Obi-Wan into the fire, dragging him with the force, paying him back to how Obi-Wan left him on mustafar, burning alive. Telling him this is only the beginning for the pain he’s about to feel.
Vader clearly wants Obi-Wan to die very slowly, only after suffering to Vader’s enjoyment. That’s why he didn’t go all out, he’s savouring the moment. Playing with his food before he eats. As Storm troopers come, Vader orders them to bring him, when one is shot by the lady helping obi-wan, and she explodes a cannister into massive flames. Vader watches Kenobi being picked up by the loader droid who i think is wrecker or Rex, and we see the flames in his lenses. Symbolizing his rage and his past with obi-wan, the fires that turned him into who he is today. 
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Just a note: she wasn’t posing as an imperial officer, but rather joined the empire to then be disgusted by what she saw. Think that is important for her character
Exactly. Theory got it wrong af.
She was obviously in disguise. It doesn't make sense that she just left the empire minutes ago and decided to help a jedi. She obviously talked about the past when she said that she used to work for the empire but then left because she was not fighting for the right side. Her having worked for the empire gave her the opportunity to pose as an officer.
You really don't believe that she just decided out of the blue to help them and lead them to a SECRET hideout from the rebels that she shouldn't even know, right?
@@darkninja2772 she’s an imperial officer and she uses that to help Jedis/force sensitives? She hasn’t left the empire she’s just using her position?
@@jamiecooper8596 yes
@@jamiecooper8596 You're right. I must have missed it.
James Earl Jones doesn’t get enough credit for the voice of Vader. The guy is 91 and thankfully he’s still with us to lend us his voice, truly amazing.
Yes, but yet star wars theory is nitpicking the voice. James Earl Jones is doing an amazing job.
He sounds better than he did in Rogue one. I personally thought his age was affected his voice. They made such progress since rogue one with using the old recordings of Luke and stringing together. Perhaps they either did that now or they enhanced it some.
Seriously. He sounded a bit off in Rogue One, Rebels, and that clip in TROS, but in Kenobi, he sounded exactly like 80's Vader.
@Call Me Nimble00 definitely voices change over time. Mine hasn’t yet, I was told several times “you sound the same as you were at 11”. So I’m not sure if I was being told that I have a little girl’s voice or I had my grown woman voice at 11. No one will answer when I press lol But definitely my dad’s voice changed over time yet my moms husky smoker’s voice stayed the same my entire life until she passed away in her late seventies.
@@julzcez6669 yeah why the hell did he even criticize that dude’s more than just knit picking sorta acts like a fan girl over dramatic
Hayden has confirmed in interviews that it is him in the suit. He specifically talks about them making a cooling suit that goes under the vader suit to keep him cool, as it's no surprise that it could be very hot in the suit without it.
Yeah and they cut his legs and arms off too
The names banji codswallop and that was codswallop
There are literally two guys it’s shown in the suits behind the scenes. I’m sure he’s wore it maybe once, but I don’t think he’s constantly in it at all times. You’d be foolish to think otherwise
Yeah it must burn like Mustafar in there!
Maybe that's why he didn't walk through the fire.
But y would they need him in the suit at all!?!
I felt like during Vader’s walk through the village he could sense Obi-Wan was watching and the scene angles changed to make it seem like he was looking into directly at Kenobi, this gave me the feeling that he was looking into his soul and trying to create intense fear in him which made the scene a lot more impactful in my opinion
I have no idea where he got the idea of wrecker…it’s completely illogical.
@@Tmandoesgames yeah don't get me wrong I love SW Theory's vids, but sometimes his theories are pretty out there. Like not everything connects to something, its just a loader droid
@@augustregan7332 dude…can you please repeat the same message, and like tag him? That’s perfectly said. He blows stuff out of the water. Just because something is similar to an design. Doesn’t make it THAT thing…really impulsive
There honestly is a chance the loader droid can actually be a human or an alien humanoid. We will see. I think it will be Rex or a special visitor from TCW.
@@augustregan7332 lol keep in mind he told us the Mandalorian was gonna die in Season 2 lol
Ewan’s acting here is incredible. You can really see the fear in his face whenever Hayden pulls up in that Vader suit.
I like Ewan but IMO he has had a single face all three episodes this far. This feels like a B movie or a prequel trilogy revisit. I was expecting a new level of quality and depth. So far so little.
I wasn't a fan of the casting at the time. I said to myself .. they're casting the Trainspotting guy .. that'll never work. Boy was I wrong and his growth as an actor and of the character in the 20 years since has his portrayal lined up perfectly to Alec Guinness version in ep 4.
@@advocatusdiaboli2747 it def felt like a tv show
@@advocatusdiaboli2747 he is a broken man suffering from ptsd, i think that he has done an outstanding job at delivering the toll that takes on someone to the audience, his character evolution here is a perfect match for him post clone wars/order 66, still having a volitile mission with luke and lea only having his mistakes to ponder over for 10 years straight
@@advocatusdiaboli2747 😂😂😂😂
I love how Obi-Wan can sense Anakin's presence like its a panic attack.
Anakin's dead at the time of the episode wym?
@@imyellowteeth4691 Cringe dude
Even tho he does no such thing in A New Hope 🤔 just seems dramatic for the sake of being dramatic.
@@billymanziel5666 having ptsd isn’t being dramatic. This is the first time he saw anakin ever since there last battle 10 years ago and it’s affecting obi wan like a tidal wave of emotions
@@kylejohnson3889 yes it is. Obi wan does not have ptsd. People just completely made that up, that’s literally just a RUclips video someone made and you people act like it’s real lmao he acts completely normal in a new hope and he’s even taunting Vader.
They made vader terrifying in this episode, just the whole stalking ben part where vader kept popping out of nowhere like jason from fri the 13th was just epic, i loved it
That stuff was cool, but the fight was a bit weaker than I'd hoped for.
No else found it weird how Ben just..... casually walked away from Vader. Twice.
@@truthdetector4036 The fact that the fight was weaker is because obi wan has been out of training for a quite a while now, he left his jedi powers years back when he went into hiding. Jedi were as strong as they were because of the constant training and discipline that they kept every second of every day. Obi wan is weak at the moment, but i suspect that will change as the days go on
the bit where he snaps the neck of the kid is brutal, just shows how cold and murderous Vader has become
@@truthdetector4036 I think the fight is deliberately bad. obi-wan has completely abandoned the ways of the force for 10 years at this point. to him the Jedi order is over and his only priority was to watch over Luke.
Vader deliberately let him go and cut the chase after the fire scene because he realised how weak obi wan had become and probably wanted a fair rematch.
my guess is that obi wan is going to realise he is going to have to adopt the ways off the force again and train in order to defend himself now that he has been revealed and is being chased down
This was my favorite episode yet.
Oof when you expect to get likes and get nothing
Same it was best out of three but still very weak episode and disappointing show
It's awesome and very nice
@@BrucePain-_- I quite liked the first 2 episodes as it felt they were taking their time setting up the story & main themes of the show. Then in the 3rd episode they seemed to really jump the gun with the whole Vader vs Kenobi fight. Maybe they thought they needed more action to keep people interested but instead they've created a major plot hole in the Star Wars canon.
It's awesome
The presence of Vader was the major highlight of this entire episode!
7.8/10… My problems with this episode
1. Why no Imperial March theme in the entire episode?? That woulda helped make Vader feel so much more authentic.
2. IMO Vader would’ve either captured or killed obi wan after seeing him for the first time in 10 years. It’s just not a Vader thing to do, to let a robot and a random girl to take obi wan to safety. I know they can’t kill obi wan or maybe even capture bc that would hurt the canon timeline but they coulda definitely thought of something better.
3. Whole fight scene felt kinda off, don’t get me wrong the fire scene was badass but the fight scene felt fan made
4. They kept cutting the Vader vs Obi Wan fight scene like every 20seconds to Reva and other plots which I didn’t like. Should have had one long fight scene to build more fear and realism.
5. It’s like Disney is purposely trying to just barely hit the decent/okay bar on this show. Almost as if there tryna make the show as “okay” as possible. The scene where obi wan is shooting 3 bounty hunters and then just ends up on the floor with leia?? Vader and stormtroopers can’t walk around a 20 feet fire?? LAZY WRITING
So shittty
I was honestly super disappointed with Episode 3.
Grand Inquisitor confirmed, in conflict with comics and rebels
Obi-Wan being a complete pushover
Vader should have been an episode 4 thing, with the Leia trap.
Reva defies physics and sense, somehow beating Leia to the other side of the tunnel
Fresh Swag keeps spamming the same comment under every comment. Why?
Vader’s presence gave me goosebumps.
Vader actually scared me. Him walking and snapping necks was brutal. Really really enjoyed hearing James’s iconic voice again. Not the end of the series yet so I’m forgiving any small things and just gonna enjoy being able to see him again :)
It was definitely ANH Vader voice using a computer like they did with Luke In Mandolorian. Listen to James Earl Jones’ voice in Rogue One. It has changed with age-dude is 91!
@@KombatKastle while they probably used computers to tune it, it has been confirmed that it is James Earl Jones voicing Vader in the suit.
That's why he was voted one of AFIs top villains i forget the number but for sure he was top 5.
Why forgive small things on such a large production? Call them out please.
Just checked Vader number 3 all time movie villain behind Hannibal Lecter and Norman Bates ...anyone watching this ep could argue he might have moved up to number 1.
The biggest head scratcher for me was how Reva got to the other end of that tunnel before Leia.
she probably knew or had an idea as to where it lead, so she probably just went around
@@kayleigh4664 How? She just discovered it. Trying to reason away lazy writing
some of the laziest writing ive seen in a long while right there, when i heard her voice i was like "bruh what?"
how she even found out the tunnel was there was weird. like "oh I just happened to look in the shop and found exactly what I was looking for."
Helicopter lightsaber
I love Hayden in the suit. I feel like he himself can engulf the rage of being the unfair poster child of why some thought the prequels were his fault. (Even though I loved them) With just his body language, he can show that terror and rage after being called a whiny diva, but that was the act he was told to play. Now he gets to take that frustration and go full sith and I like it as apart of his "redemption".
To me Vader was not "timid" at all. It seemed very obvious that he left Kenobi escape. There is a long shot focusing on his helmet when the fire separates them and the droid helps him and it is there for a reason. Although we can’t see his facial expressions that shot shows us that Vader decides to not pursue Kenobi because he is disappointed with the fight Kenobi is giving and he wants a real revenge. Solid first fight but excited to see the final and bigger fight.
It seemed like Vader was toying with Kenobi, almost as though he wants him to be stronger before they actually fight
7.8/10… My problems with this episode
1. Why no Imperial March theme in the entire episode?? That woulda helped make Vader feel so much more authentic.
2. IMO Vader would’ve either captured or killed obi wan after seeing him for the first time in 10 years. It’s just not a Vader thing to do, to let a robot and a random girl to take obi wan to safety. I know they can’t kill obi wan or maybe even capture bc that would hurt the canon timeline but they coulda definitely thought of something better.
3. Whole fight scene felt kinda off, don’t get me wrong the fire scene was badass but the fight scene felt fan made
4. They kept cutting the Vader vs Obi Wan fight scene like every 20seconds to Reva and other plots which I didn’t like. Should have had one long fight scene to build more fear and realism.
5. It’s like Disney is purposely trying to just barely hit the decent/okay bar on this show. Almost as if there tryna make the show as “okay” as possible. The scene where obi wan is shooting 3 bounty hunters and then just ends up on the floor with leia?? Vader and stormtroopers can’t walk around a 20 feet fire?? LAZY WRITING
They won’t fight again. Come on.
@@l750z_6 they will lmao, leia has been taken by reva, so obi-wan will have to get her back, which will probably result in him crossing paths with vader again
@@mademen5234 I think vader wanted to spare kenobi. he knew that kenobi was weak and most likely felt that his win would be dissatisfying. I think he wanted to show kenobi his strength, so he will come back stronger the second time and give vader a proper fight. Like I said, Vader waited 10 years for this moment, and wanted the fight to mean something.
I love how Vader is toying with Obi Wan. Killing people randomly just to send fear to Kenobi. The entire moment you could tell Vader knew Obi Wan was hiding then and there.
"Toying" is the perfect word to describe what Vader was doing with Obi-Wan. When Vader saw how weak Obi-Wan had become, I believe that is when he decided that he didn't need to rush his revenge.
@@WorthlessDeadEnd yeah and theory completely missed that lol
@@Butterking99 no it’s just stupid. Vader would just murder obi wan first chance he gets like he does in a new hope and how he tried in RotS. This whole “he’s toying with him” thing is so stupid and contrived.
@@billymanziel5666 yeah but having Vader do a double take because hes weak and wants to fight him makes more sense than toying imo it gives vader more depth as a character vs straight up killing him but also gives him a reason not too most people missed that i think
@@Butterking99 but, but, Theory is the “biggest Star Wars fan ever”, more of a fan than anybody else anywhere. How could he get something wrong?!?
I think Vader knows the grand inquisitor is alive, and he is sort of using it to tempt reva and the other inquisitors to do anything to get Kenobi
Using the psychic agony of innocents to draw out Jedi is a regular part of the Sith playbook. We saw Vader do it to Luke in Empire, to Ben here, and Maul used it to lure Obi-Wan in Clone Wars.
I've seen speculation the loader droid is Wrecker. Could Tarla be Omega? Doubt it, but that would be wild. This episode is legendary. Did you catch Ben's facial twitch just before Vader sensed him? Awesome.
I really like how scared Obi Wan is when he realizes Vader is on the planet hunting him. It’s a great contrast to A New Hope when Obi Wan is contempt losing to Vader cause he is at peace knowing he completed his mission of putting Luke on the Jedi path
Because that Obi-Wan is a wiser Obi-Wan, at that point he has let go of the trauma of the Clone Wars and he is no longer as confused, depressed and hopeless as he is in this show, only time teaches us to let go of some things, plus he completed his mission to bring Luke down the path of the Jedi, he could finally find his peace and so he did.
The likely point of the show is to potray how the "Mcgregor" Obi-wan transitions to the wise old man that "Guiness" Obi-Wan is.
Well anyone would be scared if they haven't been with the force for 10+ years. Vadar was actually training, hunting down thousands of Jedi during the 10 years, so Vadar's skills and power would make Jedi, even Yoda if he was there be scared shitless if they haven't been with the force in 10 years.
This is why in my Theory Obi Won will get his powers back and actually beat Vadar, and if he does in fact beat Vadar, it will also make him at more ease knowing that if he can still beat him until Luke is ready to go on the Jedi path.
@@potatoesblink3299 good take
Fallen Order shows how guilt can take a toll on even the best of Jedi Masters.
Cere Junda was weak but things changed when she started to forgive herself.
Obi-Wan isn't quite there yet and we're still in the third episode.
At first, I thought it was weird that Vader just didn't douse the flames at first either, but looking back, he didn't seem surprised when the lady shot the stormtrooper, usually when Vader is surprised he does that little head snap. I think Vader let Obi-Wan go on purpose, to prolong the chase, and to prolong Obi-Wan's suffering. The chase is apart of Obi-Wan's suffering, because if he just caught Obi-Wan, yeah he can torture him, but the chase is done. The chase is a huge part of torture, the stress, the phycological dread of being caught. Vader knows exactly what he's doing, and wants to make Obi-Wan suffer in every way, physically and mentally. He may even plan on following Kenobi to track down Kenobi's friends, as you speculated, he may want to kill them in front of him. I believe Vader let Obi-Wan go on purpose, all for the sake of prolonging his suffering.
That probably right on
Ye I completely agree. Also the fact he has now seen what obi wan has become and how much he overpowers him vader might not see him as the threat he used to be, especially now that vader has become so much powerful than when they last met. So in an almost arrogant way he can afford to let him go because all obi wan can do is run and hide and like you said thats part of the suffering
Vader should get a shock in the next meeting especially to keep canon alive and to meet the line "when I left you I was but the leaner".
Huh, hadn't thought of it like that
I was thinking the same thing. It's part of his character to not be overly emotional so it doesn't seem exactly like Maul because he was all about revenge. Vader has no reason to rush it.
Going out on a limb here, but I think Kenobi's brother is Jedi also, but the Council kept them hidden from each other to keep their family bonds severed.
Just sounds like a classic Council thing to do.
Digging deeper in, Vader later finds Kenobi's brother and kills him in front of Obi-Wan. Making him suffer. Kenobi is already in Fear, we all know what that leads to.
Anakin Skywalker also went out on a limb
could be that inquisitor guy with the frisbeen helmet lol
Don't overthink the implications of kenobi having a brother. He mentions his brother while explaining why he can relate to leia's situation with her parents. Also in the same conversation leia asked about her mother and father, but Ben also knows that she has a brother he is keeping hidden from her
Kenobi's brother Is a reference to his Legends brother, who he actually remembers well. It's like a minor recanonization
We all know a couple things:
1. Overall this series has an opportunity to set-up the New Hope encounter between the two in a very awesome way. This could be done well, or leave a lot of plot holes. We're all hoping for the former.
2. Obi-wan will do something in combat or otherwise to make Vader feel as though he is still "just a learner". Or otherwise that line when they "meet again at last" about being just a learner "now I am the master" will also make no sense.
3. This series needs to end with Vader thinking Obi-wan is dead. Otherwise he'll keep hunting for him and that wouldn't align with A New Hope. I fully expect a final fight in which Obi-wan fakes out Vader/Anakin and tricks him into thinking he's dead. Hopefully it's something that makes Vader feel almost fearful of Obi-wan, as was later articulated in additional material after Vader killed Obi-wan and he disappeared (which apparently freaked out Vader). The fact that Vader steps on his cloak in a New Hope could be connected back to what they decide to do here at the end of this series. Especially if Obi-wan performs a "disappearing act" in this series at the end, that would make the moment in A New Hope even more thoughtful - in that Vader is wondering now for a second time.... IS HE REALLY DEAD THIS TIME??? I say book it. This will be connected somehow.
Him thinking he killed obi wan and *leaving* him after a more intense dual it could set up the battle in ANH really well.
I think the Mustafar fight was what he meant by "I was just a learner".
God , I hope your right and they don’t fuck up the last two episodes
ok
This would be incredible especially if tied in to communing with Qui-Gon and possibly something akin to a Luke projection style qui-gon
The barbecue scene was brutal 🔥
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7.8/10… My problems with this episode
1. Why no Imperial March theme in the entire episode?? That woulda helped make Vader feel so much more authentic.
2. IMO Vader would’ve either captured or killed obi wan after seeing him for the first time in 10 years. It’s just not a Vader thing to do, to let a robot and a random girl to take obi wan to safety. I know they can’t kill obi wan or maybe even capture bc that would hurt the canon timeline but they coulda definitely thought of something better.
3. Whole fight scene felt kinda off, don’t get me wrong the fire scene was badass but the fight scene felt fan made
4. They kept cutting the Vader vs Obi Wan fight scene like every 20seconds to Reva and other plots which I didn’t like. Should have had one long fight scene to build more fear and realism.
5. It’s like Disney is purposely trying to just barely hit the decent/okay bar on this show. Almost as if there tryna make the show as “okay” as possible. The scene where obi wan is shooting 3 bounty hunters and then just ends up on the floor with leia?? Vader and stormtroopers can’t walk around a 20 feet fire?? LAZY WRITING
@@mademen5234 Vader let him go. DUH
@@mademen5234 you’re 100% right. Fight was really lackluster for being the the first time they’ve seen each other in over 10 years. Felt emotionless
@@mademen5234 Vader told him his suffering would only begin. Vader wants to keep him alive and make him suffer for a long time. I found this turn of events very much what a sith would do.
It was pretty clear to me that Vader chose to let them escape. Whether that’s to track him and kill the others with him, to continue to toy with him and keep him in fear, he was unsatisfied with the duel and how easy it was to beat Obi-Wan, or some combination of those. We all know he could have easily killed them all there. He was clearly easily overpowering Kenobi, they had just shown him using the force to put out a fire, and the way they framed it so you could see him watching them help him.
7.8/10… My problems with this episode
1. Why no Imperial March theme in the entire episode?? That woulda helped make Vader feel so much more authentic.
2. IMO Vader would’ve either captured or killed obi wan after seeing him for the first time in 10 years. It’s just not a Vader thing to do, to let a robot and a random girl to take obi wan to safety. I know they can’t kill obi wan or maybe even capture bc that would hurt the canon timeline but they coulda definitely thought of something better.
3. Whole fight scene felt kinda off, don’t get me wrong the fire scene was badass but the fight scene felt fan made
4. They kept cutting the Vader vs Obi Wan fight scene like every 20seconds to Reva and other plots which I didn’t like. Should have had one long fight scene to build more fear and realism.
5. It’s like Disney is purposely trying to just barely hit the decent/okay bar on this show. Almost as if there tryna make the show as “okay” as possible. The scene where obi wan is shooting 3 bounty hunters and then just ends up on the floor with leia?? Vader and stormtroopers can’t walk around a 20 feet fire?? LAZY WRITING
excuse imo vader should be fully enraged and pissed he should put Obi Wan through torture and not let him go yes hes tactical but hes literally against his old master who betrayed him and left him to die. this show is like a 5-6/10
Just doesn't match Vader . He is obsessed with obi wan. Waiting 10 years for this exact moment.
Just to let his friends help him?
That's just not how it would go down.
I 💯% agree with this analysis.
@@nippz2831 he was enraged but seeing his enemy that he hyped up in his head for years turning out so weak definitely disappointed him. He literally says the years had made him weak. Vader knows he will find obi wan again.
This was a great re-cap. Thank you so much! Also your voice is super chill to listen to.
Hey man! Love the vid, I just wanted to thank you for making this for all the people who can’t watch the show! Love your content, fanfic’s all that Jazz. But the best is the Vader series! That thing was epic! Thank you! May the Force be with you!
The mention of Kenobi’s family is quite interesting and could potentially answer why Reva is so interested in Kenobi. Perhaps he was the one to take Reva from her family all those years ago and she still holds that against him.
In real life, Ewan Macgregor has a brother (who is a fighter pilot with the call sign Obi-two). Maybe he will make a cameo.
ur probably right
Reva is Mace Windu’s daughter. She was lied to by Vader that Obi Wan killed her father.
@@adamwoitkowski9872 bruh
@@vradamusic what is it with these motherfuckers bro everytime there’s a black main character in star wars now they’ve either gotta be related to lando or mace 😭😭😭😭
Vader not using the force to grab Obi-Wan is like Vader not using the force to grab Luke in Empire
I said the same thing. I completely agree. I respect everyone’s opinion 100%. Honestly my initial watch i didn’t have an issue with this episode ending. I thought it was heavily implied that Vader allowed him to go, whether that be for the thrill of the hunt, waiting for Obi wan to recoup for a proper and more satisfying fight or simply to see if he gets lead to others. For whatever reason it seemed obvious and Vader realized quickly he was far superior as evidenced by his dialogue. He had several chances to strike and kill him but seemed to be playing with him. I’m psyched to see where it goes from here.
He did though.
It’s a Star Wars thing then. But all I’ve seen is people complain about that as if it’s the first time.
Vader is soft I’m over it they killed the baddest dude from my childhood
@@Cheeks598 what is you saying
One more side note; the lady that helps them actually is an officer, she explains as such and that one she realised what the empire really was, she defected.
So she isn't playing dress up as an officer, she actually is one.
Which is pretty cool, its another thing that says that some people genuinely joined the empire with good intentions
Vader was terrifying in this episode. I think they pulled off Obi being Traumatized well. As another person said in the comments, "Prime Obi would've Clapped Vader," true however , him seeing what Anakin became was shocking . Remember, this takes place ten years later so yah. Is the show the best thing since buttered toast ? I don't know if I'd go that far but , the storyline is entertaining enough to keep my attention thus far. Will keep watching , interested to see what will happen with the Obi story here.
exact same thoughts as me to a tee. I really hope they keep proper continuity because it felt kind of empty.
Prime obi wouldn't beat prime vader, since prime vader is a lot stronger than anakin on mustafar and mustafar was a close fight.
@@phobetor9638 yup vader is way stronger
I love the little “Anakin-isms” in Vader’s presence, from how he walks (as you mentioned) to even more subtle things, such as when he’s talking to the Third Sister, and his head moves ever so slightly when he was discussing with her. I felt that it was very Anakin like.
I was waiting the whole time to hear Vader grunt and make those gutty sounds Anakin made as he fought..and man was it awesome hearing Vader give out those angry grunts as hacked and slashed at Kenobis guard..what a cool experience
I loved the "Anakin-ism" of when he snapped that one kids neck. When that happened I was like "oh hell yeah! classic Anakin still killing those younglings" lol
@@tomoates8568 🤣
yeah, I mean to be fair, Hayden did act out all those scenes as vader in the armor (just dubbed over with James Earl Jones' voice) so it makes sense
The “I am what you made me line” line felt so Anakin, I could literally hear it in Hayden’s voice in my mind. Spot-on characterization, seriously.
Me waiting for this episode breakdown for 12 hours: I'm surprised you could have forgotten me so easily. You cannot imagine the depths I would go to stay alive!!
When's the Xi Jinping ep coming!?
Unfortunately for you, history will not see it that way. Execute them!
7.8/10… My problems with this episode
1. Why no Imperial March theme in the entire episode?? That woulda helped make Vader feel so much more authentic.
2. IMO Vader would’ve either captured or killed obi wan after seeing him for the first time in 10 years. It’s just not a Vader thing to do, to let a robot and a random girl to take obi wan to safety. I know they can’t kill obi wan or maybe even capture bc that would hurt the canon timeline but they coulda definitely thought of something better.
3. Whole fight scene felt kinda off, don’t get me wrong the fire scene was badass but the fight scene felt fan made
4. They kept cutting the Vader vs Obi Wan fight scene like every 20seconds to Reva and other plots which I didn’t like. Should have had one long fight scene to build more fear and realism.
5. It’s like Disney is purposely trying to just barely hit the decent/okay bar on this show. Almost as if there tryna make the show as “okay” as possible. The scene where obi wan is shooting 3 bounty hunters and then just ends up on the floor with leia?? Vader and stormtroopers can’t walk around a 20 feet fire?? LAZY WRITING
@@mademen5234 I agree,it took away from Vader's presence not having his theme playing,
Exactly how I felt but I liked the episode far more than most people who were disappointed and I love the series so far I'm content overall. EPISODE 3 WAS DOPE 👊. Crazy thing is Vader's much stronger now than he was as Anakin Skywalker before he ever reached his potential in The Force. His pain and suffering from his burnt skin, missing limbs and lungs makes him stronger in The Dark Side. James Earl Jones voicing Darth Vader with Hayden Christensen's acting ONSCREEN was EPIC ASFLIP 👊❤️. EWAN MCGREGOR KILLED IT. His Obi Wan being rusty because of a decade of a sedentary and out of practice lifestyle as a Jedi not utilizing his Force abilities made it a completely unfair fight against Vader who's now much stronger in The Dark Side. I like Friend as The Grand Inquisitor but Moses Ingram as Reva is still pretty good despite her character being annoying because she's supposed to be written that way. It's pretty sweet so far the first two episodes are pretty good and I love how Obi Wan Kenobi is shown being depressed since Order 66 wiped out the majority of Jedi in The Jedi Temple. I just hate how Star Wars fans ruin enjoying anything related to Star wars. NOBODY HATES STAR WARS MORE THAN STAR WARS FANS. I don't understand why so called Star Wars fans who are really purists go about saying racist and bigoted things to Star Wars actors and actresses like Moses Ingram the same way they have done towards Hayden Christensen's acting as Anakin Skywalker and Kelly Marie Tran as Rose Tico.
Great breakdown! I couldn’t agree with you more about this episode. Always love hearing another true Star Wars fan’s take on things. Congratulations on all of the success in doing what you love. Kudos bro! Cheers!
I think we all deserve a "what if" of star wars. Imagine all the closing for characters and all the possibilities dozens of them around anakin himself
So many people are misunderstanding the fire scene. You clearly see Vader staring at Kenobi getting dragged away for a good 4 or 5 seconds before he purposefully turns away and leaves. He ponders on the moment and then lets him escape. This could be because he is conflicted, which the showrunner and Hayden have both said we'll get during the show, or maybe he intends to follow Kenobi to more Jedi/rebels and kill them as a way to further punish Kenobi, as he now realises that Kenobi is being helped. He isn't scared of the fire and it isn't stopping him. They literally establish a few seconds earlier that he can blow a path through the flame with the force if he so chooses. *The point is that he chooses not to.*
I'm actually blown away that so many people are calling it plot holes or bad writing. Then again, Star Wars fans seem to nitpick even the tiniest of details, making mountains out of mole hills. Couple that with the separate outrage farming crowd who hate absolutely anything with disney, diversity or "wahmen" and then you have two pretty vocal groups hating on it.
Most of the people who call bad writing couldn’t write a 10 second dialogue that didn’t sound like trash
Its suckkkssssssssss
Finally someone talking sense
I'm very surprised how people are quick to jump to conclusions without paying any attention to what's actually happening. Has the average attention span really deteriorated that much? It's clear as day to me that Vader let him escape and wasn't afraid of the fire.
@@hiraldosternflyer7112 it looks like a cheap move to keep the show going. Couldn’t tell ya a better way to do it as I’d personally be better off just not having the show.
Obi Wan’s reaction when he senses Anakin the same way Ashoka did in rebels gave me chills.
7.8/10… My problems with this episode
1. Why no Imperial March theme in the entire episode?? That woulda helped make Vader feel so much more authentic.
2. IMO Vader would’ve either captured or killed obi wan after seeing him for the first time in 10 years. It’s just not a Vader thing to do, to let a robot and a random girl to take obi wan to safety. I know they can’t kill obi wan or maybe even capture bc that would hurt the canon timeline but they coulda definitely thought of something better.
3. Whole fight scene felt kinda off, don’t get me wrong the fire scene was badass but the fight scene felt fan made
4. They kept cutting the Vader vs Obi Wan fight scene like every 20seconds to Reva and other plots which I didn’t like. Should have had one long fight scene to build more fear and realism.
5. It’s like Disney is purposely trying to just barely hit the decent/okay bar on this show. Almost as if there tryna make the show as “okay” as possible. The scene where obi wan is shooting 3 bounty hunters and then just ends up on the floor with leia?? Vader and stormtroopers can’t walk around a 20 feet fire?? LAZY WRITING
7.8/10… My problems with this episode
1. Why no Imperial March theme in the entire episode?? That woulda helped make Vader feel so much more authentic.
2. IMO Vader would’ve either captured or killed obi wan after seeing him for the first time in 10 years. It’s just not a Vader thing to do, to let a robot and a random girl to take obi wan to safety. I know they can’t kill obi wan or maybe even capture bc that would hurt the canon timeline but they coulda definitely thought of something better.
3. Whole fight scene felt kinda off, don’t get me wrong the fire scene was badass but the fight scene felt fan made
4. They kept cutting the Vader vs Obi Wan fight scene like every 20seconds to Reva and other plots which I didn’t like. Should have had one long fight scene to build more fear and realism.
5. It’s like Disney is purposely trying to just barely hit the decent/okay bar on this show. Almost as if there tryna make the show as “okay” as possible. Book of boba fett, parts of this show and others…The scene where obi wan is shooting 3 bounty hunters and then just ends up on the floor with leia?? Vader and stormtroopers can’t walk around a 20 feet fire?? LAZY WRITING
@@mademen5234 this is the Disney plus curse. They’re too afraid to do anything remotely violent. Literally every show feels like this. Look at leia’s kidnapping in the first episode, 3 grown men couldn’t capture a child? It’s things like this that make it corny and mid. They need to let loose and have more power display in shows like this.
No imperial March theme????? And other OG themes??? In the whole freakin episode bruh
@@vance4171 What do you mean someone literally gets cut in half by a laser beam, obi wan gets dragged through a fire alive, the inquisitors are decapitating random hands, vader is killing random civilians, etc. am i watching the same show?
Thank you for this beautiful breakdown 👍🍀💥🙂
Great video! I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M SOOOOOO EXCITED FOR THE NEXT EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The show sucks they made obi want a b****
Personally I loved how this show made Vader genuinely terrifying. That village scene was brutal! And man Obi Wan being dragged through the fire was truly awesome!
Fr people need to appreciate this shit more. It’s actually fire. I can’t believe people are actually displeased with it 😭😭
Kinda hilarious how Vader was teleporting around like Jason Voorhees
@@benjamin8459 The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities, some consider to be…unnatural
@@bruhhh9980 This was the first time I was actually unsettled by Vaders presence in live action. Really well done in my opinion
@@DarthWindu06 u wasn’t unsettled in rogue one🤨
The best part of Vader is that while wearing a mask, and not speaking much, the audience can still sense his thoughts and emotions. A truly special character.
5:57 is such a powerful scene, at first I though it was an ambush the thief had set up for them but when I could just barely see Anakin's glare I got goosebumps. You don't know in this moment if it was a hallucination or Anakin stalking Obi-Wan through the dark side. The fact that this is the first time we have seen Anakin since ROTS makes it truly a gem.
I love your content like I’m so happy I found your channel
My favorite scene is when Obi-wan asks: "What has become of you?", and Vader replies with "What you have made me." This felt realy deep to me because Anakin realy was failed by the jedi order, and imo he sided with the sith mainly because of the way he was treated by the jedi which allowed Palpatine to groom Anakin further down the path of the sith.
These lines hit so hard if you’ve watched the whole journey through clone wars too
Lol, the guy is a mass murdering psychopath. He wasn't treated poorly at all, no different than anyone else. He's just a pos
I like Vader and his story arc, but I also feel like he’s very good at displacing blame. The “what you have made me” line really drives that home. There’s no taking of responsibility there, he’s just pushing all of the blame off onto the Jedi and Obi Wan and Yoda, etc. That’s ok (as far as the story is concerned), there are absolutely individuals like that in real life, and there’s a lot to like about Anakin/Vader’s story arc, but I don’t feel like the Jedi “failed” him. They were far from perfect and made plenty of mistakes, as human (or humanoid, in this galaxy) beings tend to do, but he failed himself at least as much as they failed him, and if we’re honest, he failed himself far more than they ever did.
@@phantom0456 he's like a kid that becomes a school shooter, who then becomes a nazi war criminal. I'm tired on the "poor anakin" talk. The guy just snapped a child's neck.
I don't agree. I think that line was meant to talk exclusively about Darth Vader machine suit (which means - what you made me, since you cut my freakin legs and left me to burn on Mustafar), and not about the moral choice of turning to the dark side, since Obi-Wan, of all people, isn't the major problem on the Anakin turn (it's the jedi council and the Sidious-Padmé pregnancy-dream-already lost his mother plot)
It’s crazy, seeing anakin as a young, innocent boy in episode 1 to what he is in this tv show. I love star wars. Best stories ever told in my opinion.
Totally agree a truly sad story
Best stories until we get to the sequels. Then it becomes less about story and more about woke soapboxing.
Not the best by any chance but up there
Oh my, my, this here Anakin Guy.
May be VADER some day LATER now he's just a small fry.
He left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye ,
Saying
Soon I'm gonna be a JEDI.
Everytime I saw him in this episode I kept thinking of Anakin in Revenge of The Sith, crazy
Thank you for this video.
Leia: "how did you arrive before me?"
Reva: "well you got me, by all accounts it doesn't make sense"
I think it is Hayden in the suit for the most part because in interviews when talking about the fight Ewan expressed his genuine fear seeing Hayden approach him in the suit
I now understand why he felt genuine fear. seeing vader slowly walking down towards him made me feel like I was watching a horror movie.
I think he never saw him in the suit until that scene to add on to his acting.
he's only been in the suit for the suit up scene in episode 3, and this entire show
Hell even I was scared.
And I loved it.
Feeling like we all experienced a real, significant moment with this episode. Loved it.
Love the review, I have to add something. Vader has been my favorite villain since I was 8, and no one tops him in my eyes personally.
This episode was a chefs kiss for me, seeing his true emotions, pain, motives, and the fear he imposes with his sheer presence.
I feel the cgi on the lightsabers have improved a lot since I last saw a lightsaber. Just seeing the blue glow In the dark looks so good
I saw a behind the scene leak of the obi wan and vader fight scene and to an extent it’s actually not CGI it’s these really bright rods
It was impractical, the lightsabers was too bright - it had too much illumination in the dark to the point i think it would blind you. Especially when Kenobi lit the lightsaber first, he couldn't have seen anything in front of himself.
7.8/10… My problems with this episode
1. Why no Imperial March theme in the entire episode?? That woulda helped make Vader feel so much more authentic.
2. IMO Vader would’ve either captured or killed obi wan after seeing him for the first time in 10 years. It’s just not a Vader thing to do, to let a robot and a random girl to take obi wan to safety. I know they can’t kill obi wan or maybe even capture bc that would hurt the canon timeline but they coulda definitely thought of something better.
3. Whole fight scene felt kinda off, don’t get me wrong the fire scene was badass but the fight scene felt fan made
4. They kept cutting the Vader vs Obi Wan fight scene like every 20seconds to Reva and other plots which I didn’t like. Should have had one long fight scene to build more fear and realism.
5. It’s like Disney is purposely trying to just barely hit the decent/okay bar on this show. Almost as if there tryna make the show as “okay” as possible. The scene where obi wan is shooting 3 bounty hunters and then just ends up on the floor with leia?? Vader and stormtroopers can’t walk around a 20 feet fire?? LAZY WRITING
No imperial March theme????? And other OG themes??? In the whole freakin episode bruh
@@mademen5234 We don't need the re hash. This is doing a great job of covering new territory, visually and sonically. We've been hearing the Imperial March since 1977
Quinlan Vos was mentioned in Revenge of the Sith as well. In the scene that Obi-Wan warns Anakin to be careful of Palpatine, he gives Anakin a short update on the status of the Outer Rim Sieges. He says in a tiny throwaway line that "Master Vos has been moved to Boz Pity". The scene happens within the first hour of the movie.
Neat. If we do get anything more on him I hope we get to see how he survived the purge. He might not have even been around, but seeing his hunter/animalistic instincts at work in a Forest against clones would be awesome.
Bonus points if they bring back Khaleen and Korto and retcon Dark Disciple out of the timeline.
You also see him sitting at a table on Tatooine in Episode 1 when young Anakin is walking by.
@@jedinathan I really like Dark disciple- one of the best canon novels imo. I feel like they could find a way to do both, it just would make Korto a year or 2 Younger if Vos met Khaleen in a different way. Maybe she could be like Mara- an agent of Palpatine rather than Dooku, working in the early empire, only to fall for Vos like in the EU.
@@solvemproblerstudios5889 I think the only thing he meant by retcon is Asajj Ventress’ death. Both her and Savage Opress are the only 2 force wielders that were introduced in animation and yet stayed as animation. Especially Asajj Ventress since her character is unlike anything we’ve seen before. I’m sure Dave is really interested in bringing her to live action too.
it felt so nostalgic so happy this series is a thing!
Having Wrecker as that droid will open up so much! It’ll foreshadow the Bad Batch for us: Maybe the the entire crew died at a final fight (maybe at the Kamino uprise) and Wrecker (and/or Echo) could be the only ones left and they spent the last five years in Secret, helping out anyone that he comes across. But who knows, just a cool theory that I have.
I think vader intended to let kanobi go, I feel vader wants Kenobi to suffer but also wants him to regain his jedi skills so that he can prove to himself that he is a much better fighter than kenobi.
Good point!
It was too easy for Vader, so I’d see why Vader would want to defeat a strong Obi-Wan. Anything else would be an empty victory
Nah, didn't you see the episode? The most powerful Jedi and force user of all time couldn't jump over a 10-foot pit of fire. Obviously that's why Kenobi got away...
This show is so bad...
@@RemnTheteth Then stop watching if you hate it so much. I don't get people who hate a show but still keep watching it...
@@Boblen1989 Because we want to see Star Wars have good writing and consistent characters. People are allowed to criticize
You can literally feel the presence of Hayden in the suit. And when Obi-Wan and Vader had their little skirmish, there is just something about Hayden and Ewan fighting. They set the bar so high in ROTS. Ain't nobody can do it like them. Can't wait for part 4!
Hayden is not even in the suit when he is fully suited up. But it does feel like it some times
Facts!!! 💯
@@zachcilella He said he wore the suit in an interview
Hayden is a POOR actor, not trying to anger anyone but there is no denying it, hence why he is mostly disliked among fans.
@@zachcilella Really? I thought he was. Hope so. If not then my bad
This episode, man.
This confirmed my description of the Empire on your video about the unfortunate Moses situation. That it’s just a ladder for social climbers who are always gunning for the top spot. The Inquisitors fighting for the top spot feels like the infighting and bickering that I know eventually brought down the Empire, both in Canon and Legends.
Also pretty cool to see the stuff with Obi-wan and Leia. It also gives us one of the best and most relatable descriptions of the Force, ever. We never will know what the Force will actually feel like, but the description of the Force by Obi-wan is so understandable.
And then there’s everything in this episode with Vader. Never have I ever felt so scared of Vader, even in Rogue One, Jedi: Fallen Order, and even Empire Strikes Back. It’s probably going to be the best depiction, and the one to beat, of Vader for a long time.
One thing I’ve noticed a lot of people miss, when Obi Wan first switches his saber on in that fight with Vader, it has that distinct dark-side hiss. Likely because he was succumbing to his fear
This was a really powerful episode. We have only ever experienced "old" Vader on screen.
This episode showed us young Vader in his prime with his rage brewing and fresh. He is so brutal and merciless with only one goal in mind.
He was alot more brutal in rogue one
He must been hallucination scenes
@@mrsmokingskittles148 idk lol snapping necks, choking and dragging people through the streets is kinda brutal
@@mrsmokingskittles148 he wasn’t brutal in rogue one, he was coldly efficient, he was a lot more brutal here, killing random people, chocking obi, throwing him around, dosing him in flames…
He's still slow and couldn't jump over the fire.
When Obi-Wan first ignited his lightsaber, it seemed very instinctive like muscle memory. When he held his lightsaber in previous episodes, it looked unnatural and you could really see he was out of practice. It seems his powers are returning slowly but surely.
And also his defensive moves were quite good, it just looked like he was suprised by Vader's strength.
@@assassin3g much like on mustafar
@@assassin3g vaders strength reminds me of the description from bane books. Where half the issue I’m fighting him was just how hard he could connect and would quickly over power opponents this way
“This also shows how trusting and young Leia is” right after she runs away from the only man trying to help her the previous episode
Great video!
1) I like that they actually show how much Obi- Wan loved Padme. They knew each other a long time, were close friends, something I think under explored in the prequels. I’m glad to see her mentioned so much
2) I hope they keep building Reva up as this OP character in the show if and only if we get to see Vader absolutely destroy her in the end 😂
the only sad thing is that its only 6 series.. 3 left.. not much time to keep building something up except showing some vader obi wan action
OP or just cunning and smart? The 5th brother showed us she isn't stronger than even him.
@@user-ok1xq5qm9t I don’t really understand why they made this such a limited series. 6 episodes? Really? And some of them seem to be only 30-40 minutes long? For Obi-Wan and Darth Vader, arguably the characters fans have wanted to see the most?
I’m fine with it being a limited series. But like... they couldn’t even make it 10 episodes at least? Like most shows these days? 6 episodes is just so fucking short-lived, and now that we’re watching it it’s pretty obvious that they had enough content to work with to make it longer. Oh well, I guess we should just be happy to get more at all!
“Op” lol
But they have already shown that his love for Satine is always on his mind. In the previous episode, I think Leih was reminding him of Satine and not Padme. I don't think he loved Padme at all, atleast not romantically.
Personally I believe when it comes to obi-wan's escape, Vader let him escape. I propose this because just as discussed in this video Vader could have walked through the fire, put it out, or he could of snatched Kenobi from the loader bot. Vader was literally dragging Kenobi through it not even a few moments earlier so it wouldn't be hard to just do it again. Now why do I think Vader let him leave? Mainly because Kenobi was so submissive and unwilling to fight. I would imagine from Vader's standpoint he's been building this up and reflecting on their last duel for so long that this too anticlimactic for his taste. Especially seeing he's fought many other Jedi whom have shown him so much more fight than Kenobi did. So in conclusion Vader let Kenobi get away due to their anti climactic encounter in hopes that they would have a proper duel upon their next meeting. Especially since the ending of the episode suggests Reva got her hands on Leia, which would give much more motivation for Kenobi to both show up and duel him.
Be nice if disney tell a story instead of unnecessary ambiguity. Vader told the STs to bring him in so letting him go is a poor theory.
@@jonnyc4744 That order was given before the interruption. Vader was disappointed in Kenobi. He wasn't getting the satisfaction he lusted for. Kenobi was just a shell of his former self. He wasn't going to get the revenge he feels he deserved from this. But what to do? Kenobi wasn't going anywhere. It would look weird to everyone around if he just left him there, so of course he ordered some mook to fetch him like some wretched thing. But when the interruption and rescue happened, it gave Vader an excuse to let him go, and hopefully become something worth taking revenge upon.
No, you're thinking too hard. The writers simply don't care about believable plot, and wrote it that the most powerful force user couldn't breach a 10-foot fire. Or just, you know, walk around it...
The writing in this show is embarrassing. Look at the chase scenes with Leia, ducking and weaving trained killers and Jedi. It's ridiculous.
I think that Vader was still very much afraid of Kenobi because he knew his former master was holding back. Vader couldn’t depend on plot armor like he does for everything else.
@@RemnTheteth they made a point to zoom on Vader standing there hesitating, I think it’s very clear that they mean to convey that he doesn’t want to kill kenobi yet, for whatever reason. And this guy has a really good theory why. I think you’re not thinking enough
Great episode love the show so far
Must admit this Kenobi series has reignited my love for Star Wars
When Vader first opens his saber it’s from the same angle as he did in the Jedi temple during order 66. Awesome detail. Also he didn’t start killing the civilians because he had a psychotic episode, but because he sensed Obi-wan and wanted to bait him out. Notice he gives a long stare before he drags out the civil guy. And I loved how Vader let Obi-wan leave. When Obi-wan was being saved, Vader had a choice of finishing him on spot or let him go. He did the latter because he was not finished with him yet.
i thought that was pretty obvious, its what he inquisitors did, they know Jedi want to help people so the Sith gives them an oppitunity
Interesting take. I saw it more of a him being SOOO focused and hateful towards Obi the bullet didn't even phase him...
I think he let him go to lead to chasing a rebellion or the rest of the Jedi. even though it was probably really bad writing lmfaooo
Agreed. He's enjoying the chase.
Freck was actually played by Zach Braff, which is absolutely hilarious
oh man i hope donald faison doesnt know LOL
lol didn't expect to see you here
I thought it was Seth Rogen
When I saw Zach Braff was in the episode, I had to do a double take to figure out where he was 😂
Thought it was seth rogen for sure lol
Killing instantly isn't as satisfying a revenge as torturing and then releasing them so that you plant the seed of fear that festers and continues to torture them even after you've stopped, and then slowly chasing them down to continue to stoke the flame of terror. Vader even more-or-less directly says this to Obi-wan.
If Obi-wan was in his prime Vader wouldn't be able to do this, he'd have to fight him the with intention of killing him, otherwise he might be the one who dies. But at this moment Vader has an overwhelming advantage due to Obi-wan's PTSD and going ten years without fighting or practicing, so Vader has the luxury to slowly torture him.
18:16 Leia's running vs Reva's parkour.
Obi Wan’s encounter with Vader really showed why he strongly believed that “He’s more machine than man now”
What about "when I left you I was but a learner now I am the master"?, And I mean he was more machine than man, more of a fact.
@@d2heffz231 when he left the Jedi order and left obi wan for his new master sideous
I feel like Vader also mostly stopped out of confusion and disappointement, seeing the once powerful Jedi reponsible for his condition just running away and being able to overpower him with one hand.
After 10 years of anticipation and rage building up, he probably didn't expect Obi-Wan to give up on the force and be so powerless.
@korrok It's really not because it actually makes sense as to why he's like this the Jedi was his life and it was destroyed, he's depressed, has ptsd, and is partially responsible for the way the galaxy is.
@korrok it's not disney star wars without destroying a white male hero. "ITS IN CHARACTER FOR LUKE AND OBI-WAN TO GIVE UP ON THE FORCE!" you know the savior of the galaxy and reedemer of Vader and the Master Jedi who is the galaxy's "only hope"!
@korrok as you see it all as a fake lore fest anyway, why not watch something you would enjoy instead?
Disney copium addiction is a tough habit to crack
@@thelambsauce7223 stop it, get some help
I think people are missing what is happening when they say he is letting him go or he was afraid of the fire. Anakin was alone to suffer and burn in torture. Meanwhile Obi Wan has others to help him still. Even Padme, Anakin's lover and reason for his turn to the dark side, had supposedly turned against him (or so he thought); also because of Obi Wan. Maybe he is in shock, jealous, or depressed in that he was abandoned to only some Sith lord that sought to enslave him while Obi Wan is saved by strangers at their own risk.
Edit:
Yes could be lazy writing if this is all we are going to have but the show isn't even completely out yet. Could be an explanation for this in the future 3 episodes.
or maybe it's bad writing. You shouldn't have to create some back story or inner monologue to justify nonsensical storytelling. Hey, maybe Vader let him go because he had a hot date. That's just as plausible as your concoction.
@@byronhotchkiss5488 but ... it's not as plausible? Writers usually think "What would the characters do in that situation?" and not just randomly do something. So atleast they probably thought of something why he let him go. We can only speculate the reason and thats what QwazCaz did. Maybe we'll find out - maybe not. Just let people have their fun and theories please
Sorry but thats just pure cope
@@byronhotchkiss5488 agreed. Sadly, it WAS bad writing and bad storytelling right there. Still, it was entertaining nonetheless.
@@chrislehmann1771 yeah seems like there's a lot of theories on how emotions were running in the heat of everything. But the show was a little dull. Too many plot holes. The writers aren't doing a good job so far. Just seeks like Obi-Wan needs help. He can't do this by himself. He needs a 10 year-old little girls help and some random chick. Dude after 10 years of not honing a skill, I'd still know quite a few things. I wouldn't be a beginner after being a master. Makes no sense. I'm sorry I'm a little frustrated at what they've done with Obi-Wan. Freaking Disney man.
Thanks for staying positive.
I just want to clear this up for people...Hayden Christensen is 💯 percent in the Darth Vader suit. He says it himself that "its a beast to wear and it gets very hot." He also talked about between takes, they would blow cold air into his suit to cool him down. Idk, I think it's just so cool that Hayden is Vader. The way he walks, the way he carries himself...he just feels right.
In one of the interviews he did (the one with the kid and the Lego xwing) he talked about how he wore a suit under the armour which they could pump cold water through. Vader is water-cooled lol
The suit should be cgi, and they should use a proper swordsman for vader, he did not lose any athletic ability whatsoever, he is perfectly able to backflip, jump and sprint just fine, this big sluggish dude who's just extremely strong we see isn't that good imo, his saber technique is clearly amateur, and the fight should of lasted the entire episode imo
@@ayydelalmao3176 I can see the same sort of disappointment and anger from you as I felt about TLJ so I get it from that angle, but I disagree. The Vader we saw in the original trilogy didn't do anything as fancy as Anakin did. It's likely his technique shifted to a slower more brutal form and his lack of combat training with other Jedi probably didn't help either, much like how Obi-Wan is out of his depth too.
Not to mention that Hayden did all the swordplay in Episode III. He is inside the suit, so it is clearly an intentional decision to slow it down. They may have an actual fight in the next few episodes too
@@Keanine that was 1970/80, a humble film making crew with the only option of a heavy suit on a mortal man, vader uses the force to move, and therefore the weight of his suit shouldn't physically impede him on camera
@Jesse Pinkman designed to keep his pain raw and his hatred bubbling
What was awesome is that Obi still sees his friend Anakin, not Vader, and the way Ewan portrays Obi WAN’s horror is genius
I thought that, too. Ewan McGregor is such a good actor. I am impressed by his acting in this show.
Which makes it even more sad that by the time of the OT, Obi-Wan has completely given up on Anakin. I hope they were at least able to reconcile after Anakin’s death.
great review the episode 3 is massive seeing vader show up .
2:30 right after you said “where is he” I immediately get a lil Caesars commercial I’m like really the video was just getting good 😂
It's difficult to emphasize enough how well Ewan McGregor's acting is in this series.
he was a learner in acting in prequels, now he is a master
Yes! It kinda of overshadows everyone’s else’s performance. He makes them look like the worst of the most awkward child actors. Those conversations with Leia in this episode, his vocal tone and facial expressions are just so hopeless and mournful.
@Call Me Nimble00 exactly! I keep thinking he is going to say “shut up Leia, you Skywalkers drive me crazy”. Lol
@@sassy7766 I just finished episode 3 and had this realization, myself. Ewan is simply leaps and bounds beyond pretty much every other person. I have to make it tied with Hayden and James Earl Jones :)
He brings a heaviness to every single scene, without it being overbearing or overdone. He genuinely feels like a broken man carrying the world on his shoulders, and he’s absolutely killing it with the entire Anakin/Vader storyline.
Ewan and Hayden/Vader are carrying this entire show on their backs, and it’s so fucking cool. I can’t believe this show is real, I can’t believe it’s not a fever dream...
Great commentary
I really liked this episode, it was good to see it again :)
Pretty sure it is confirmed that it’s Hayden in the suit. Him and Ewan talked multiple times about Hayden in the suit and how scary he was
And he was lightsaber training with a cape on. He also stated his suit has a cooling system to make filming more bearable indicating he is wearing it
How is this even a conversation, who else would be under the suit if Hayden is in the cast?
11:34 Just a quick correction. She isn’t posing as an Imperial Captain, she is actually a captain in the Imperial Army but has grown disillusioned with the Empire, and is now using her Officer privileges to help those the empire hunts.
bro honestly ur a star wars GOAT
This was my favorite episode yet. Originally I was hoping to see Kenobi go into his proper fighting stance and stand his ground when he ignited his saber for the first time against Vader, but appreciated the approach we saw even more. I really liked how they played into his mental state; so many bad memories coming back as he faces his once brother he thought he had killed, his lack of experience in the past ten years, and just the pure terror he felt. The psychological aspect behind this scene alone was incredible
One of the things that disappointed me in Rebels was how pretty much _every_ Imperial soldier were sadistic buffoons without a hint of any redeeming qualities so it was such a breath of fresh air to not only see an Officer who has turned against the Empire in secret but is part of an underground railroad movement for Jedi
typical Star Wars fan. Never happy with anything 🤡
Yeah but callous became fulcrum
@@ourwildjourneys4895 Imagine seeing a positive comment about Star Wars and immediately defaulting to "sTaR wArS fANs bAd!"
Moron
@@daddybadbad literally one the best redemption arcs
Additionally I liked that some of the Stormtrooper’s were friendly with the truck driver guy- humanized them- though they were still passionate about their duty.
I love the review. I do think that Vader let him go on purpose, wanting to torture him more. But still having that classic Anakin over-confidence, thinking "I can find him now whenever, wherever". But we all know, that will backfire somehow. So fricken cool.
He couldn’t find him for 10 years. He’s
right there in front of him and he just lets him escape? I agree that’s what he did but that’s not what Darth Vader would do. This is prime Vader who has learned from Anakin’s past mistakes. I hope they explain why
Nope, he tells the Stormtroopers to bring Obi-Wan to him before the droid gets there, and then they fire on the droid, but I guess a little bit of fire compounds their terrible aim lol. Even if it is true that he let him go to "torture him more", there's a high chance he won't be able to find him again for a really long time, if ever. He clearly wants to kill him, so idk why he would be okay with that. Either way, the directing here was not clear and i think that's to blame. It was stupid hearing the stormtroopers yelling about how they couldn't get around the fire after several establishing shots showing that they were in an open spot with sand dunes that would slow down anyone trying to escape.
@@jdot634 he’s such a big channel that sometimes he has to appease the the majority of the Star Wars community rather than give honest takes. Why risk losing clout when he is this big. I like Theory but if you want brutally honest takes you’ll have to go to the smaller channels that have less to lose.
@@ShadowWolfIsTheGOAT Thing is though, it's not that he couldn't find Kenobi for ten years. It's more that Palpatine didn't allow him to as well. He keeps putting Vader away from Kenobi to pursue other Jedi instead. Besides, if Obi-Wan is willing to risk to come to light now, it must be something big that he wouldn't go into hiding again for a while. Besides, Vader is always arrogant. That never really changed. By this time, he also has little to no Jedi left to hunt. That's one of the few luxuries he could enjoy. Why would he waste that opportunity by killing the one man who caused him all this suffering?
@@excaliburknight1016 he doesn’t have to kill him, he just have to make sure he doesn’t escape. The inquisitors spent 10 years looking for him when Vader couldn’t that was even said in the show. He can disappear just as quickly as he can reappear. What you are saying makes sense but it’s irrelevant to him letting Obi Wan escape.
Awesome video
All i wanted to see for so many years
When I watched it, I honestly felt that the reason why Vader didn’t walk through the fire after Obi-Wan is because he’s stunned or shocked of this broken version of his old master. We’re not used to Vader “taking a moment.” This is not the Obi-Wan he thought he was going to find. Some might find it out of character. Vader doesn’t usually have a connection with his victims like he does Obi-Wan. We’re used to seeing him obliterate his enemies without a second thought. And yes, he’s toying with Obi-Wan and prolonging his suffering, but it’s also giving a clear view of the shell of a man his former master/brother is now.
I like your theory
I felt the same - there is conflict within Vader, just as there was later when he fought Luke. Loving the discussion here!
This is a really awesome view of that. Love the emotional lense.
@Xavier Lynch I mean, that could be true also. I feel like Vader has more hate than love for Obi-Wan at this point. But I think we tend to forget that Vader isn’t all machine. There is still a speck of humanity there. The Sith are driven by their passion and feelings as well as anger. This is a person he once loved as a brother. I personally believe that there could be some sympathy there, just not enough to erase the hatred. Too bad we can’t see the facial expressions under the mask.
@Xavier Lynch that could absolutely be the case as well. All we really know so far is that Vader could likely have made short work of a sad, afraid, broken Obi-wan, but held back. Can't wait to see if further episodes make his motivations clearer, or if we get to continue speculating and imagining together!
Seeing Vader being this brutal is cool, and his suit up gave me chills.
him snapping the young boys neck was crazy
Yeah that was crazy.
When he snapped that boys neck I was just like shocked, it was perfect.
You know what's an interesting thought about the imperial officer and that so called loader droid were actually omega and wrecker( with fake identities) currently doing that to help those who need it and get them to safety. Would be a very long/ badass moment to see some of clone force 99 show up to help obi- won to get lea back from the empire. That's just me!
Man, the scene of Obi Wan and Leia having a heart to heart, the atmosphere of uncertainty in scenes with the Stormtroopers, the confrontation and malice in Vader’s voice, just, wow.
I know, i was so worried that Leia and Ben would be found out and die. But then I remembered that they are both in Episode IV and all the tension evaporated.
Obi-Wan's connection with Anakin is stronger than his connection with Qui-Gon ever was. That's why he connected with Vader immediately but can't find Qui-Gon.
@Gen who’s showing up in a vision? Qui gon? Well yeah Yoda told Kenobi at ROTS that he had to learn out to commune with Qui gon?
Qui-gon is in a higher plan of existence now. Vader is still alive in the physical world. It makes sense that communicating with Qui-gon would much harder.
I think it's more that it's easier to connect with living beings you've made previous connections with, rather than force ghosts you don't exactly know how to find, using techniques you haven't mastered.
Yea. Reva finding Leia ruin the ending. How in the hell did she come first?
@@demmahomakuma6835 not sure what you mean. Was pretty sure she figured out where they were tryjng to go and took a direct route.
people seem to be really angry at Kenobi being so weak. I mean, what did you expect? Kenobi is plagued with PTSD, has been hiding for years and im pretty sure he had also given up on being a Jedi at some point.
I have to ask, did people really expect him to be at Clone wars level? because i think that just setting yourself up for dissapointment.
"Peace has made you weak. Victory has defeated you" - Bane
He defeated Anakin BTW
Yes, we really DID Expect the guy who in just 4 short years is not only STILL his Clone Wars self, but has ALSO Become his Future Self, the man tasked by Yoda with 'training in the Force' to speak with Qui Gon, who will ONE SHOT Darth Maul....just, gave up on the force? And yet...insists on Luke "receiving training if he ever shows ability or promise". Who the fuck does he expect to do the training? He certainly can't if he can't even hold his fucking lightsaber steady or USE THE FORCE lmao....it makes 0 sense to anyone who knows the character.
The negative reaction has been boggling my mind too. This is a comeback story. It wouldn't be interesting if he went through having his entire world destroyed, a lot of it due to his own failures and just be ok at the end of that. Who wants to watch that? There wouldn't be any stakes involved if he was still the quipping badass Jedi Master he'd been during the Clone Wars.
I know a lot of people are comparing this portayal of Obi-wan to Luke in the Last Jedi but I don't think that's a fair comparison. I think having a moment of weakness and almost killing someone you love would be traumatic but it didn't feel right that Luke would give up on everything because of that alone. Obi-wan though has been through some stuff. It does feel right that after Order 66, supposedly killing his best friend and losing his entire way of life that he would all but give up on everything.
I think a fairer comparison would be Luke at the end of the Empire Strikes Back. Our hero has had his ass kicked and the rug pulled out from under him. The only real difference is that Obi-wan has been left in that state for a decade. Luke didn't have the time between Empire and Jedi to wallow. This series is about Obi-wan's journey back to the man he was and finding a reason to fight again.
@@andyd6622 what you mean? He still can be powerfull character for the story to make sense. He is one of the laat Jedi like maybe 10 or 20 are left and whole galaxy is looking for them. They didnt have to make him pathetic loser for tha sake of already bad story
@@BrucePain-_- The way I see it, Obi-Wan has not trained in like a decade. He has been suffering from depression and PTSD. How could he not? He is single biggest reason for the world turning upside down, destruction of Jedi order and the republic. On top of that, he and his kinds are being hunted down like animals. Then, just few hours ago, he finds out that Anakin who he thought he killed is still alive, and he has turned into this monstrosity. Expecting him to be a great Jedi master at this point of time is unreasonable.
Which sets up for an awesome throwback for the Kenobi vs Maul scene!
the “i am what you made me” line was peak anakin and i loved it
7.8/10… My problems with this episode
1. Why no Imperial March theme in the entire episode?? That woulda helped make Vader feel so much more authentic.
2. IMO Vader would’ve either captured or killed obi wan after seeing him for the first time in 10 years. It’s just not a Vader thing to do, to let a robot and a random girl to take obi wan to safety. I know they can’t kill obi wan or maybe even capture bc that would hurt the canon timeline but they coulda definitely thought of something better.
3. Whole fight scene felt kinda off, don’t get me wrong the fire scene was badass but the fight scene felt fan made
4. They kept cutting the Vader vs Obi Wan fight scene like every 20seconds to Reva and other plots which I didn’t like. Should have had one long fight scene to build more fear and realism.
5. It’s like Disney is purposely trying to just barely hit the decent/okay bar on this show. Almost as if there tryna make the show as “okay” as possible. The scene where obi wan is shooting 3 bounty hunters and then just ends up on the floor with leia?? Vader and stormtroopers can’t walk around a 20 feet fire?? LAZY WRITING
This episode was amazing. Peak Vader. I don’t mind how he let Ben escape at the end. He basically was toying with him and I believe Vader expected Kenobi to be much stronger.
I think he wants to earn his revenge and feel satisfied when punishing Kenobi. He was obviously looking for more a fight from him
I still think there’s turmoil inside him that always holds him back against Obi wan just because of the past history. Anyone else and it would have ended differently
7.8/10… My problems with this episode
1. Why no Imperial March theme in the entire episode?? That woulda helped make Vader feel so much more authentic.
2. IMO Vader would’ve either captured or killed obi wan after seeing him for the first time in 10 years. It’s just not a Vader thing to do, to let a robot and a random girl to take obi wan to safety. I know they can’t kill obi wan or maybe even capture bc that would hurt the canon timeline but they coulda definitely thought of something better.
3. Whole fight scene felt kinda off, don’t get me wrong the fire scene was badass but the fight scene felt fan made
4. They kept cutting the Vader vs Obi Wan fight scene like every 20seconds to Reva and other plots which I didn’t like. Should have had one long fight scene to build more fear and realism.
5. It’s like Disney is purposely trying to just barely hit the decent/okay bar on this show. Almost as if there tryna make the show as “okay” as possible. The scene where obi wan is shooting 3 bounty hunters and then just ends up on the floor with leia?? Vader and stormtroopers can’t walk around a 20 feet fire?? LAZY WRITING
I think he just thought:
“No, not like this, this is pathetic, i want to break Kenobi, but i can’t do that if he’s already a broken man, i will wait until he’s at his highest to bring him to his lowest”
No imperial March theme????? And other OG themes??? In the whole freakin episode bruh
this episode was pretty great! seeing vader in action was pretty badass and epic, and the burning scene was cruel yet poetic.
I absolutely loved this episode.
I think that Vader knows that Riva "killed" the grand Inquisitor. There is no way that the Version of Obi-wan, Vader encountered, was able to kill the grand Inquisitor. And Vader should be able to put that together.
I think he already knew before the fight, in the scene where he talks with Reva. He interrupts her just as she was trying to tell a lie about how Kenobi killed the Inquisitor, saying, in a way, something like “oh shut up, i don’t care who or what killed the G. inquisitor, Kenobi is all that matters”
Grand inquisitor isn’t dead
@@guszimm39 of course. G. Inquisitor is in rebels years later. He's probably just hurt
I'm sure he knows the GI is still alive and is holding the GI position over Revas head so she will lead him to Obi Wan. He knows she killed the GI but still has a use for her and once she becomes useless to him he will kill her.
@@MrJlee93 I'm hoping for him to turn up in the last episode and have a good duel with Reva ,it would cement his power (especially if he defeats her) and remove Reva from the storyline to line up with cannon
After rewatching, I think what’s being missed in this whole fire scene is that Vader had just asked the troopers to bring obi wan to him. Even until the last moment of that scene the troopers were firing at the droid and could have captured him. It’s not exactly like he gave up. But considering people were crawling out to help him, perhaps Vader was unsure if others would follow and didn’t want to fall into any traps especially as the last time obi was on the other side of fire it didn’t go well. This time he “didn’t jump” literally or metaphorically
agreed, I think theory was just too nitpicking in the watchparty this time
@@yngwiemalmsteen5376 ya but I don’t blame him. This is Darth vader here not some minor character, so I understand where he is coming from.
I really didn’t like the whole chase scene and I’m very forgiving it could of been done a lot better obi wan should of just confronted vader in the streets and just lost because of his fear and was saved in a more convincing way and leia should of got away so she can be taken out of the show because I think we’ve seen enough of her but the whole chase just was so immersion breaking
@@Crackmiser true
I like the idea that he is incredibly disappointed by Obi-wan.
That he yearned for a showdown with his former master where he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt he was superior.
Then he finds this broken down shell of what Obi-wan once was, and his hopes are squashed.
Maybe he's hoping Obi-wan has time to regroup and rally his strength once more. Vader might be looking for a more satisfying fight with Kenobi.