What Qui-Gon Jinn Thought of Anakin Becoming Vader (Tells Obi-Wan Kenobi)
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- In Obi-Wan Kenobi's life, two people were at the pinnacle of importance to him, Anakin and of course his Jedi Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.
In the book Dark Lord the Rise of Darth Vader, we get to learn about Qui-Gon giving his thoughts to Obi-Wan Kenobi regarding Anakin Skywalker turning to the dark side and becoming Darth Vader.
I hope we get something like this in the obi-wan kenobi show on disney plus.
I think it'd be amazing to see Liam Neeson return to play Qui-Gon Jinn, once again since the phantom menace.
Did you know Qui-Gon was supposed to have a audio scene with Yoda on Polis Massa in Revenge of the Sith?
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As someone who also grew up on the prequels; I love that you are out here giving so much love, appreciation and attention to Qui-Gon. My favorite Jedi since 1999. 🤙🏼
My favorite Jedi is one who happens to not be a Jedi, yet is the best of all of them.
Ahsoka Tano.
@@TheRibottoStudios fax
Though tbf Obi-Wan is top tier too
@@TheRibottoStudios sorry Ahsoka isn't the best
Anyone think midichlorians may be the souls or life force of former force sensitive s? I mean if Palps is all the sith and Rey all the Jedi . But then we got a chicken and the egg conundrum.
Yeah the whole reason that obi was was willing to sacrifice himself to vader i am sure was because of qui gon teaching him how to be one with the force and transcend death so that he could become a force ghost with yoda and anakin
Ghost qui-gonn:
*Those damn fools, they should have granted him the rank of master, he was ready!*
I think they should have had him take the Knight trials of the Spirit to get it - Anakin got a battlefield promotion to Knight, and should have had at least a chance at Master - the issue seemed to be his self-discipline which he should have been allowed to prove. Outright refusing him with no recourse just pushed him toward the Dark Side.
Yoda: That is why, dead you are.
Ha ha, I read this in Liam Neeson's voice XD
Allowing him that rank would allow unmitigated incidents where anakin would need to do something wreckless as his character was so very often doing
@@Bee_Mavrick but at least let him take the Jedi knight trials
I love that scene in ROTJ when Vader says It's too late for me son. It's as if he may have wanted to come back but that he couldn't because, as you say, he was trapped. I have the Darth Vader Trilogy, I must read it some time. Love your impersonations btw 👍
I agree I always thought this as well
Vader had already done so many messed up things by that point
And he killed a bunch of kids which is somewhat beyond redemption
He could tho lets be honest
@@johnshepard8556 That's probably why he said it's to late for me.
When Qui-Gon says "You were always that way, Obi-Wan" that was really heartwarming. I love those two. 💗
We deserve to see qui-gon in episode 6.. I hope they make it happen.
But if they don't, we got a *problem*
Star wars fans don't deserve anything lol
I’m going to be so pissed if we don’t see or hear qui-gon at all.
See? Good luxk maybe hear
@@christinabobsquarepants1210 ohhhh you will hear him now go on and pay gor yout subscription little Disney sheep
Also loved that line in ROJ “it is too late for me, son”. Was endearing towards Luke as his son and also suggested regret on his part on how things had turned out
I read Dark Lord years ago. Very compelling book on Vader's early years in the Empire and the epilogue you're reading was really well written by James Luceno.
Anakin is the only reason Vader even exists. And like you said, he was never completely gone and only serves the Emperor as Vader because he believed he lost everything else. But right about when Empire Strikes Back happens, he finds out that not everything that he left behind was lost. His son was alive and that was right about when Vader started to disappear and Anakin really made his return in Return of the Jedi.
Yes, the Jedi who is returning is Anakin.
@@ThinWhiteAxe Is that the jedi who slaughtered women and children on Tatooine?
@@lookingforwookiecopilot *animals 😉
@@martind.5257 Dehumanizing your victims is the mark of a true psycho.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot the Sand People are introduced into this fictional lore as "creatures" and "animals" repeatedly, even by old Ben. So that's what I saw them as, as a child. And before Disney Star Wars, there was little reason to believe otherwise. If you instead paint them as human like beings and some indigenous tribe that one wants to sympathise with to a certain degree, that changes everything!
So I was simply making a joke, referrin to what the Star Wars characters themselves say, which is pretty messed up, if Sand People are empathetic and feeling beings. But also it was intended to trigger and remind that it is not a 'given' that Sand People are just that! Many fans nowadays will just claim it as that and thereby paint a really different picture of our beloved Star Wars characters, which was quite possibly not intended by George, and which makes them far lass likeable. And no, even if the Sand People are just like some "creatures" or smarter "animals" that wouldn't make their slaughter justified or ethical.
And to your comment: I am not sure about that, as I am no psychologist. According to your definition, millions of soldiers in the last as well as this century are psychopaths. Most wars, if not all wars begin by dehumanizing the "other". Many soldiers will 'have' to tell themselves that lie, in order to be able to commit atrocities like killing another human being. But yeah, maybe you are right regardles.
Qui Gon is one of the most underrated Jedi, I think if he were to live Anakin wouldn't have turned he would grow up to be the wise powerful Jedi Qui Gon was, who was not afraid to defy the council, but still very disciplined with whatever he was doing.
Qui-Gon saw the bigger picture
Qui Gon probably was the only true Jedi left at the Jedi council.
Qui-Gon was the father figure Anakin needed. Anakin never had a father, so Qui-Gon was a blessing for Anakin. When Obi-Wan trained Anakin he was more of an older brother to him. Their bond was strong and these two have become almost inseparable, but being raised by your older brother will lead to a Anakin being more resentful towards Obi-Wan as is the sibling dynamic. Sibling fight a lot, while with Father figures would be respected and even feared a little more than your brother. Obi-Wan really saw Anakin as an equal. While that seems positive, raising a child, which is essentially what Obi-Wan had to do, because who else was gonna do it the other jedi were nowhere suited to do that. Anyways back to the point raising a child as a father figure means that you are not necessarily equals, as parents often use the i have more years on this earth so i know better excuse. Essentially Obi-Wan’s love for Anakin was ultimately his failure. That love was very much a positive thing for both of them for a long time, but Obi-Wan loved Anakin like a brother and a friend, when he should have been a father to Anakin. He was too immature for his own good, which made Anakin turn against his master.
Yeah its implied that Qui Gons death sort of doomed anakin from the start since he was then stuck with Obi Wan who just wasnt ready to train him
Agreed.
So could Jinn not learn more after becoming one with the Force? If he maintains consciousness, why couldn’t he learn more?
He already lost his body at that point, so maybe there was no learning how to keep its form.
Right. If he's one with the force his understanding should have grown exponentially
That’s actually a very interesting point. I mean yea that would make sense, at least you would think, r-right??
It's because 4-6 was filmed before Is why.
@@ejakathebeast no we get that but we are just saying time line wise yk?
I really hope it happens but we did hear Qui-gon before in AOTC when Anakin was slaughtering the tusken raiders.. I often wonder did Anakin hear Qui-gon saying "Anakin No!!"
Was this Qui-gon's voice ? Always thought it was Windu's for some reason
@@Nico-9138 Definitely Qui-Gon. However, the question of whether Anakin had heard him is really interesting. Was he even able to hear Qui-Gon through the rage and bloodlust? I'd love a definitive answer to that, it'd have a lot of cool implications.
@@Nico-9138 I had to Google it to make sure 🤣🤣 yes it was Liam Neeson, he reprised the role for the clone wars, attack of the clones and rise of Skywalker
lol why, its clearly qui gons voice. but no he couldnt hear qui gon. you need to train to learn how to connect with force ghosts. this is canon and confirmed as yoda says to obi wan he needs to train to be able to connect with his old master, and 10 years later obi wan STILL somehow hasnt gotten there yet.
@@philkelly7048 I wonder if Liam would come back to play a role like this in the obi wan Kenobi series
I always thought Qui-Gon would appear to Vader periodically to try and guide him back to the light. Whether full ghost form or voice only, he would have still had that fatherly encouragement. "This isn't what I taught you, Anakin. You ARE the chosen one. You will bring balance."
But the Jedi also needed balance so maybe Qui-Gon knew what had to be done unfortunately for there to be actual balance.
If you see RoTJ Luke is the Last of the Jedi…not a bunch of Jedi using the force which then gives Luke all that strength as no others are using it’s power. I think that’s true balance.
Qui-Gon saw the bigger picture
@@darkstar4982 true.
@@KingShibe he didnt even agree with the council half the time so yeah id say he saw the bigger picture as well
I know where was qui gon when anakin was being corrupted
I wonder how a conversation with Qui Gonn and Vader would go. I really think Vader wouldn’t try to kill him.
“How far have you fallen, Anakin”.
@@BookofGates nah man I really don’t think that.
Yes, Vader always respected Qui-gon as the only Jedi, not knowing that Anakin was still alive inside him, which continued to treat Yoda and Kenobi well, despite the fact that they did not help him in time not to fall for Palpatine's tricks. And become the same Jedi as his first teacher, who was more suitable for the role of the boy's father. Qui-Gon would not blame Anakin and realized that he needed to train him himself, choose a more appropriate training method, save his mother, help deal with the visions. So that it would not be necessary to obtain the title of master to access the secret section of the archive to find another way to save Padme without resorting to the false help of Sidious.
I'm so grateful to know how much respect you give to Qui-gon. I love you so much for that man! You're out there representing for the Jedi that we know and love! ❤ and I appreciate the content you're bringing out there for those who grew up watching and cherishing the Prequel saga. May the force be with you! 🙏🏻
You give exceptional analysis and I love listening to you and agree that I could listen to SWs stories indefinitely, especially of Like, Anakin and Darth.
You give insightful dimension to the occurrences that are well respected and absolutely necessary.
The more we know the better we love the characters.
What I’ve always asked myself is what Vader’s plan with bringing Padmé back was. Sure he wanted to resurrect her from her death but if he’d achieve that, was he planning to switch back to the light side and have a happy life on naboo ?
no they would have ruled the galaxy together like he says in Ep 3
And unfortunately, even if Padme's reborn, she wouldn't agree with what Anakin as become.
He will bring peace and freedom to his new empire 😡
he planned to kill sidious
Qui Gonn appearing in episode 6 will only be a sentence at the end of the episode to symbolise the end of Kenobi’s training. Hopefully we get more in season 2 though.
Such a good book, and one of my favourites along with Darth Plagueis and of course Kenobi.
Definitely want to see Liam Neeson in the series finale.
Lol
I love your accents. You get right into character. Your portrayal of the characters is spot on!
His character impressions are so good. I feel more immersed in the content when I hear them
Dude , listening to you tell these stories is almost as good as watching the movie. You do an awesome job at it.
Obi-wan’s strength was that he bested Vader twice, showed mercy both times, and even when he faced him on the Death Star. Obi-wan told him, “you can’t win Darth, if you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine…” Teasing Darth’s shortcomings at gaining power. As if saying, “even now your choices are infinitely foolish, and you haven’t a clue just how much.
It's just that Obi-Wan didn't know then that Vader really needed to be left alive, and Kenobi's instinct telling him not to kill Anakin was the right one, as was the choice to leave everything to the discretion of the Force. Obi-Wan did not believe that his friend could still be brought back to the bright side. Kenobi was very glad and pleasantly surprised when Anakin really returned at the same time, fulfilling the prophecy, proving that Qui Gon was right..
It's weird how Vader is consciously thinking about how there's still a chance Anakin could be reawakened. Would have been cool to see him have a Luke/Vader moment sooner.
Qui-Gon after anakin became vader: I Miscalculated
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Man I love these stories love your videos I’ve been watching them since the obi wan series came out. I’m a fan of the prequels I grew up watching them and always loved them
Honestly I wouldn't mind if Qui-Gon showed up as a full force ghost. Technically it would break cannon but I think seeing Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon for the first time in 20 years would be worth it.
Ayyyyyy guess what?
How does it break cannon? Isn’t Qui-Gon the one that taught Kenobi how to become a force ghost?
@@clipsin2007 Technically in canon, or what was canon, Qui-Gon never managed to form a full visible force ghost. He could talk to Obi-Wan and was sentient but couldn't physically manifest.
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Yoda going through the training with the Wills in the clone wars was fascinating. It would be cool to get some answers on where qui-gon left off on his training. The wills tell Yoda after his completion, that “Qui-Gon will guide you the rest of the way.” Maybe once Yoda learns, he can finish Qui-Gon’s training.
Your content is always appreciated. Your success is because you are an actual fan and didn't start a channel for likes and views. You started it for your passion and that's what drives your success. Keep using your fandom and passion as a vehicle to drive you forward. Thanks again for this great content. And also, what is the origin of the Qui Gon passage? Star Wars From a certain point of view?
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I'd like to see Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon. For me, canon is mostly out the window at this point as Disney changes canon at the drop of a hat to suit their narrative anyway. Love your channel!
Always such good content and I love listening to theories and stories from the Star Wars universe. Personally, I’d prefer just dialog from Qui-Gon in the Kenobi show. I’d like to see it in a way that you just described. Kenobi being beaten down, and almost crushed by his own thoughts and doubts, but then Qui-Gon speaking to him for reassurance and it gives Kenobi this renewed hope to continue looking after Luke and to continue his “mission” so to speak
Appreciate these videos Theory! Thank you for pouring your passion into them!
Thanks to you my friend, I got the book! Dark Lord The Rise of Darth Vader is absolutely an epic book. Kenobi writers should read this book before season 2, they'll be able to put together really good and entertaining. For now, I can't wait to see Master Qui-Gon played by Liam Neeson. Another kickass video my friend, you never seem to disappoint your fans👌👍
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I love these types of videos where you delve into the what if this happens and other events that aren’t talked that much about. It’s especially refreshing since most of the fandom is releasing vids on why this or that sucks.
That was really good, great voices man!
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Was great to see big Liam. Good call with you second guess on how he'd show up.
Great content as per usual
Your voices are great, dude! Don’t disparage yourself there. When I was younger I used to practice all the voices and was supposedly quite good with Yoda. Now that I’m older and haven’t practiced that range, I have not been able to do it as well for a long time. But you do Yoda, Ben, and quite gone and your voice actually sounds like there’s! Anyway just a little detail I enjoyed and you are quite good. Thanks for the videos, keep on making as much as you can!
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Man your impressions are really on point
Very insightful, and interesting content. I hope we see some of this in the final episode of Kenobi.
About 2 years back it was you that got me watching my first Star Wars movie : 2 years later I’ve seen every movie & mini series and making my way through all the lore still , just wanna say thank you I would not of found the force or I wouldn’t of known half of what I know what without your contact 😊😎
Hearing you speak about what Star Wars used to be about rekindles my love for SW a little bit. As an owner of all legends novels big kudos from me.
You always make the best star wars content come to life.
You're good at doing their accents! I enjoyed this.
I remember as a kid i had a toy lightsaber with retractable plastic saber. Qui Gon was (and still is) my favorite Jedi so I got his, my brother got Obi Wans. I still have it and it always brings back great memories. I wonder if anyone still has theirs.
Awesome video General Theory 💚⚡ The min I hear or see Liam Neeson voice game over onion ninjas galore lol and not until A New Hope can anyone see him However We Can! So if you do something like Obi Wan can hear him but not see him except for Us That's my wish
I love that your Qui-Gon impression sounds like he's gonna say "particular set of skills" at any moment.
Theory don’t listen to the haters who don’t like ur criticisms keep doing u💪
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The Star Wars universe knowledge in my head comes in half from you 😂😂 I love these videos.
Great episode! 👍🏼👍🏼
This is great! Interesting! Thank you so much! I love those Yoda voice impressions! 👍
5:29 I like this concept behind Vader never going to Tatooine. Got me thinking, Disney might send him there in Kenobi. 🤣
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Great job! You nailed that sir
i would love for obi wan and the voice of qui gon to go on a force mission together like yoda did in clone wars. and as obi wan learns, so does qui gon, and he slowly becomes a visible force ghost by the end
Awesome content as always and your accent is fine bro, bless
These few excerpt from this and the preview video about obi wan in finding out about Vader have been more engaging and thought provoking that the entire kenobi series so far.
I was hoping to see Qui Gon in the Kenobi series? Hopefully he'll show up in voice or something in the last episode?
This is a great video, and I really enjoyed it a lot. Thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍
Some brilliant impressions here mate!
Another great video 💯
I'm always impressed with your impressions! Liam Neeson's speech difference are Suttle, but distinctive. I though you nailed it.
*subtle
Yo @starwarstheory your Qui-Gon voice is actually so good 😂 Definitely channeling your inner Liam
If I close my eyes I can almost picture you in Taken... food job on the accents man!
Can we appreciate that Theory (imo) is really kinda nailing the voices for the characters as he read those stories. I like that very much.
I want to see qui-gon but not only is it a matter of if it’s in the script but also if Liam neeson would return because he has said he’s more of a person for the big screen (movies) over TV Shows. We can only hope
all it takes is enough money
Great vid. Your voice acting is pretty good too.👍
Great video!
Awsome thanks and thank u for the accent can’t wait for part 6 the wensday
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Always wondered about this topic
I was just watching onw of your other vids!
I seriously think you should do a star wars booking reading of your choice because I was really diggin your impersonations of Kenobi and Qui Gon.
Your accents are spot on!! Good job!
I pictured it as Obi Wan, having been briefly KOd or stunned, comes round and we see rocks all around him … a white/blue hem of light illuminating his face - he looks up to see Qui Gon as a force ghost shielding him and using the force to hold back the boulders from crushing him - Obi Wan utters “Master” to which Qui Gon replies “hello there” (just kidding although kinda cool lol) no something like what we see him say “took you long enough”
And then he says something encouraging - then we get the flashbacks of the kids to then have it cut back to obi wan holding the boulders and then escaping in the same way! I just feel like that was an awesome way to have done it but it was amazing still
I mean you could have had Qui Gon go - I don’t know something like- “the children … promise me you’ll protect them” - Obi Wan says “🤬 you look how that worked out last time”
I love the accents. You actually do a good job with it. I would love to hear you record a Star Wars book for a book on tape. May the force be with everyone except for bob. Bob you know what you did😠
I must say, your impersonations are pretty damn good!
We have to hear him for most definite to help make that further push for Obi-Wan that we know in a new hope ... the how will probably not even be the way in the canon books ... but would that not be the greatest if they do.. thanks for the in depth Master Theory ... happy fur daddy's day to you....
It would be kind of cool if they would frame the shot as obiwan stands in a defensive pose when he faces off against Vader again, closing his eyes, takes a deep breath and reaches out to the force, letting it in, then Quigon's apparition appears behind him, not that obiwan can see him, but it allows the viewers to see quigon's face as he encourages Obi. How he watches over him.
Never change this background music!!!
good review
Nice One !
Love the vids