I’m unsure whether you will read this, mate But I can’t believe the abuse Jay and his family have received via social media It’s unbelievable, and I’m glad you’re picking out these people and removing them I just can’t believe the ridicule they’ve had to face
I agree ,despite all the negative stuff it really looks likely that Jay walked down the valley trying to get to the beach, With any luck someone will find him soon. Edit 1:40:15 Makes the most sense.
It's so easy for some in society to sit behind their computers and say terrible, unempathetic statements. It's quite sad. Thanks for a great LIVE Nick. Enjoy your afternoon watching the game.
Is there any substantial evidence yet that he was ever at the Airbnb? The only witnesses are the occupants and the owner. The photo on the Airbnb steps is an odd photo - could be anyone. Anyone could have called Lucy and Brad using Jay's phone, and we only have their word that it was Jay calling and what Jay allegedly said. All five people who create this story know each other. Is there a single independent witness? Did no-one else drive past Jay - just the Airbnb owner?
I know this live has finished but for a boy of 19 who has been on a 3 day bender and hungover and dehydrated how far could he really have gotten b4 passing out that’s the real question.
I'm so sorry for missing your live, Nick. Aa for the cases you mentioned, I always look at what we know to be factual: their age, most recent social activities (partying and drinking), sleep deprivation, and ultimately being confronted with unfriendly, even dangerous, terrain. The rest is, in my view, a list of mindless conspiracies and hypotheticals. Thanks for your helpful analyses of all these cases, Nick.
I appreciate your level-headed reporting on this topic. Clearly you host one of the more objective crime sites on the internet. It amazes me all RUclipsrs out there posting these ridiculous theories just to get clicks. So many of us look for an alternative to "mainstream media" from independent RUclips news sources but it's ironic they are becoming one in the same. They both share the same perspective that it's not about whether the news is accurate, it's about ratings, or in the case of RUclips, clicks and likes. And, of course, ultimately a financial payoff as a result.
Corrie McKeague was 23 in 2016 when he vanished he was very intoxicated at the time hes never been found but they suggest he fell asleep in bin then tipped into a waste lorry no DNA found as far as i recall....
i remember the steven cook case. It was the same story, everyone was adamant it was foul play because there was no logical explanation as to how he ended up that far out the way. The body was that badly damaged and decomposed that they were unable to determine his cause of death. The rumour at the time was he'd insulted some locals wife and ended up getting stabbed over it.
It's crazy that people are here saying stuff like "I don't care" in the chat while using up the finite amount of time we all have. Just from a personal point of view I come here for objective information. You do a great job of conveying facts and speculation while keeping logic and reasoning in sight. The way you handle malicious users and bad actors is admirable, more creators in this lane should have a more serious approach to malicious users. I think some of them are quite happy having a toxic viewer base.
Unfortunately there are limits to the type of terrain on can take a dog to. They can't navigate through cacti and they can't be taken along very steep slopes unfortunately. I think it possible Jay might have slid and fallen down an inaccessible ravine, but..?🤔
It was very fortuitous and convenient for the supposed “kidnapper(s)” and supporters of the foul play theory that the “kidknapper(s)” timed the kidnap to do it so perfectly only after Jay’s phone had died and not in the period before so they wouldn’t be tracked. Not sure how the supposed “kidnappers” would have had the prior knowledge on Jay’s low phone battery and to time the kidnap only after Jay’s phone had died so no one would know his location anymore, let alone not be seen by other drivers, let alone not to leave any evidence or dropped items anywhere at the scene, let alone actually find/track down/spot and take Jay from an off-road, not easily accessible trail location in the middle of nowhere in rural Tenerife at 9am on a normal weather Monday morning. Ultimately, there’s no actual evidence that supports the foul play theory just a convenient wild social media conspiracy used to fill in the blanks with the lack of overall concrete/physical evidence creating a more grandiose clickbait story, add on the fact it’s highly improbable due to the time, location, Jay’s age/demographic, Tenerife’s crime statistics etc…what’s far more likely is a young carefree lad not thinking straight in a frenzied, dehydrated and delirious state after a no sleep, drug and alcohol-fuelled 3 day bender in foreign land in an unfamiliar, confusing and highly treacherous, extremely vast, rural wild environment who wanted to show off this beautiful location to his mates by taking Snapchat’s but then admitted he was lost (!) and wondered off towards the beach/ocean in an effort to seek civilisation/help down a dangerous ravine notorious online for its unclear trail, unstable rough terrain and deathly drops has come to harm (potentially injured falling) and has unfortunately then crawled into a cave or something similar for shelter overnight and sadly passed away soon after due to the cold/dehydration/injuries/his already incapacitated state (explains why no sightings of his body or any items/evidence yet and why nothing was heard or seen in first few days in particular). Could be wrong, just going off probabilities, can’t completely rule out say a roadside hitchhiking kidnap, but that’s just far more unlikely. Just my opinion, not meant to offend anyone! Love your videos TCRS.
There have been people missing for donkeys years before they are found quite by chance and some people are never found....often no foul play involved either..!
With regards to the bus stop. i think he miss understood 10am for 10 mins and thought "there is another bus stop 10 mins down the road i'll walk to that so i don't have to sit here waiting"
@@maggieedwards3951 His mate Brad said he heard him stepping on stones. He wasnt on the road for people to see him. The last thing he said to brad was "ill call you back i'll call you back" quite frantically. Brad assumed it was because someone was calling him. What if iti wasn't. What if that was the pinnacle point that he started to tumble. he will of needed both his hands and he had an iphone that aren't cheap and likely wanted to not drop it. I think at that point he's tumbled down the rock face not realising that the part he was trying to scale included a somewhat sheer drop which is why people are under the impression his phone was place or thrown where it was. it probably got ejected from his pocket or hand as he tumbled.
The difference is that jay was a criminal, and he was actively involved with criminals. Can't really compare those cases against jays. The underground seen in any country is very dangerous. I can assure you if it was my son missing, the last thing I'd be doing is sitting on social media and getting into it with people. So odd that they have sat on the gfm for so long. They could of potentially saved him if they'd acted immediately. That's not something I'd want to live with!. Just so odd how the family have acted around this.
Who watched him get into a car with the men ? Did he? Where’s the cctv? If Lucy left early by herself did cctv catch her walk home? ……. Any other witnesses apart from the lady who owned the b&b ? (Wouldn’t rely on her 🤑)
Thanku for coverage on this case. Your opinion is very much appreciated. Trying to prove fowl play without evidence is going to be difficult from the uk
You say what evidence is there that there is foul play. There are plenty. The stolen watch, the fact that he went with these two men to a remote house while at least one of them is a convicted drug dealer. His 18 year old friend Lucy traveled 30 times during the last two years. That’s very suspicious and suggests a drug dealing link. There is so much evidence that there is foul-play in this whole story. May be not regarding his disappearance, but at least what built up to that point.
@@TCRS Jay himself told Lucy he had stolen the watch. If Lucy lied about that, then that raises even further suspicion. Lucy told this to Mark Williams Thomas. The fact that they didn’t report the stolen watch could imply that they wanted to deliver justice to the thief.
He likely fell and is hidden in a ravine. Most likely given he was dehydrated and lost. Hopefully for his family his body will be found eventually. I’m surprised they haven’t wound down the search by now.
My own investigative findings and hypothesis remain the same, and are on par with your own. He slipped, got out the elements to rest and wait and succumbed to dehydration. I did feel like he fell asleep where he rested and never woke up. It’s very sad, but these tragedies happen all the time. ruclips.net/video/H1mFbngFXXM/видео.htmlsi=dOdohhHboIRR5BkU
The cacti acts like razzle dazzle camouflage and breaks up or disguises the terrain, hiding what is around them. Drones are fine for overhead but without skilled operators and hi def video they are useless, similarly a plan is needed before just flying them. Randomly searching is a waste of time. A "manual" search is always limited by line of sight. The treacherous terrain of Tenerife makes a search in numbers problematic and dangerous. What is this obsession with foulplay? It is quite childish - as if there are malignant criminals hiding behind every corner - check the Tenerife crime numbers before talking nonsense. As a rule holiday makers do not visit crime hot spots.
Look at the case of Bill Ewasko. He disappeared in Joshua Tree Park and even though a team of people spent years looking for him it took 12 years before his remains were accidentally found by hikers.
There's something fishy about this case....Let's see if the UK's police can shed light on it, because I think....This could be an " on purpose" disappearance?
A thermographic camera is great when the temperature of the object one is looking for, is markedly different from the surrounding environment- like one sees in those reality police shows in Britain. And they’re not concealed in a building, or cave. Sadly, by this stage, assuming Jay has died, there would be little difference in the thermal signature.
I missed the live. I enjoy your vids. So glad you are covering this case. I wonder if any volunteer rescue organisations will join the search or will agree to search for a donation. A private search will cost a lot more than the go fund me has currently collected. I really hope Jay's body can be found as I think he sadly passed the day he went missing
I was going to say it needs to be a painstakingly thorough search and the dogs are a must. There is equipment to lower and hoist dogs to places just like human beings. Has anyone checked wind directions on the day Jay went missing? This would have factored in to a dog search that day. I love this channel 😊
Given that the last phone ping is said to be from an area that is not accessible, have to seriously consider that the phone was thrown there and there’s nothing to be found. Perhaps the police received intel hence calling off the physical search of the area so abruptly. County lines and associations with criminals points to a very different situation.
Why is everyone supporting and searching for a drug addict that openly admitted to stealing a Rolex watch. Would assume even if he is found hes going straight to jail. Sounds like the world's better off without him.
This is my go to channel for true crime. I absolutely agree the right dogs ( some dogs are trained for very specific roles) need to be brought in... that can not only handle the terrain but the heat. I'm thinking " he left here alive" is leakage :-/ Keep up the good work... hi from the Scottish Highlands :-)
EYou asked accident or foul play without knowing anything. Well many Brits are biased, so if Stephen Cook disappeared in a foreign country many Brits would think foul play as a 1st option..!☹️
Good work I still think that the two men tracked him down and took the watch from jay and did something to jay but we might never know lots of tiger sharks in the waters there
I'm not sure what the problem is, but I've left about 4 comments here, none of which are showing. And I'm a subscribed, and paying member. It's a bit ridiculous really. I give up.
@@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb it could be that you are accidentally using an automatically filtered word, and he hasn’t had a chance to release it? I help manage a YT channel and that’s the case for us.
I have been watching, but it has been spratick. Have they used drones to search for him? Also, is the cacti that you are talking about around the terrain? Could it be eaten or provide him with food and water? I know it sounds weird, but I live in Arizona and people eat it and can even make jam from the fruit of some types of cacti.
the stolen watch in Jay's snapchat pic is an 18-carat white gold Royal Oak AUDEMARS PIGUET. in Jay's message he even says it's an "AP". why people are saying it's a Rolex is beyond me. Jay's photo literally shows the actual watch
Watch Peter Weir film “Picnic at Hanging Rock” and a film was made about a young couple who are left behind in the ocean while on a diving expedition with a group in the Bahamas
Bro means well, but is completely missing the point. The whole thing is highly sketchy and nothing makes any sense. To have blinkers on, only considering a bog standard missing persons case of a boy that got lost is amateur AF
As substances wore off he get very thirsty and likely take chances to get to a river. Sense of balance could be poor on no food or sleep and one can picture winding up in a river or stream.
If he is just innocently missing in the terrain would be to search the undergrowth where his phone last pinged he could have slipped and fell below the undergrowth .
Have you seen the photo on the wall of the main road? Three men, one looks like the B&B guy. Supposedly on the day Jay went missing. They look like they are mocking with the title quack , quack? I can't post it here to show you
Yes, I think dogs are necessary here - they're our best friend for many reasons, a few being their beautiful sense of smell and intuition. The terrain looks tough, though. There could be no way he is still alive as he wouldn't have water - cactus wouldn't be edible, contrary to what people might think, and would probably make one sick. Even if he found a cave, unless it had fresh water, I cannot imagine a way for a person to survive more than a few days at the most.
Just out of interest, obviously GPS is triangulated aprox location. In a case in the USA the lawyer spoke about they could access the speed of the vehicle through the phone, in honesty I do not know if the phone had to be linked/connected to the car. I am sure you will know either way. I only say this as a few rumours are saying the phone could have been thrown earlier or later. Thanks for the commentary
"what is making it so difficult to find him" - The search was all over the place due to rumour and speculation. It only takes a body 9 days to full decompose in the sun. By now they're looking for a pile of bones on the side of a mountain that can only be searched by professionals. That last call he had with brad where he's saying he will call him back was likely the moment he's started to slip and realise he's in trouble. he's needed both his hands and wanted to save his expensive iphone. He's still slipped and rolled down the side of the embankment LAUNCHING his phone in the process. he is dead in a pill at the bottom of a ravine.
to be clear trying to find a person out there is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Trying to find BONES is like trying to find that needle ANYWHERE in the universe
Cadaver dogs will only get the scent for up to two weeks. Also if he's in a part of the terrain that even humans can't reach without gear....hows a dog getting there?
Look at the photo taken on the door step, 4 dark circles or spots on the left beneath the shoe on the left, one spot a small splash ? the left hand shoe ? and black slipper, not a trainer a semi-circular tip, then look again.. the left shoe is larger than two right-hand semi circular tips poking out from a curtain or blanket. The two tips of slippers on the right hand side appear to be the same size, belonging to a person standing on the RIGHT of the step. Left side, the 'foot' size is larger.. a bigger person standing behind to the side of a smaller individual, holding a smaller person whilst taking a photo ?
With the Bristol lad, and others, the likeliest reason they went into the river, because they went to piss, and either slipped on a grassy bank, or misjudged their footing and slipped. I sadly knew two men this happened to; one was 20 (but not a drinker) and the other in his 30s. In both cases, their bodies didn’t move from where they went into the water, but it still took a long time to find their bodies, weeks in one case, years in another. Jay likely didn’t go into water, but was nevertheless the victim of a series of sad circumstances.
Sorry, had to go to bed before your show finished, it was very late here in New Zealand. David Paulides has written a book about the many young men who go missing after they have been drinking. It is called A Sobering Coincidence and is part of his Missing 411 books on strange disappearances. Thank you for all your hard work.
I feel Jay will never be found just like little maddie macann. There is so many layers to this story . If Jay has gone there to rob from these gangsters then am afraid I feel he’s not alive anymore . Or 2 he has actually had a accident in them mountains . It’s a shame a young man got involved in drugs an crime . He’s mixed with the wrong ins an to steal from these people is a big no no . I do feel so sorry for his mum & dad this must be heartbreaking not knowing if ur child is alive or dead .
Lucy was the girl friend of the lad that got hurt by 8 lads and Jay was one of them. Lucy also knew the 2 from B&B in the quiet area that picked him up
Victor Teni Triathlete 3 years missing on Tenerife. Found by a climber on the mountain.( Just to say that even the fittest have unfortunate accidents)
I’m unsure whether you will read this, mate
But I can’t believe the abuse Jay and his family have received via social media
It’s unbelievable, and I’m glad you’re picking out these people and removing them
I just can’t believe the ridicule they’ve had to face
Yes, it's disgusting.
I agree ,despite all the negative stuff it really looks likely that Jay walked down the valley trying to get to the beach, With any luck someone will find him soon. Edit 1:40:15 Makes the most sense.
It's so easy for some in society to sit behind their computers and say terrible, unempathetic statements. It's quite sad.
Thanks for a great LIVE Nick. Enjoy your afternoon watching the game.
Just missed your Live but catching up on replay. Excellent work on this case, Nick! You’re looking really good and healthy, btw ! 🚀🤗
Is there any substantial evidence yet that he was ever at the Airbnb? The only witnesses are the occupants and the owner. The photo on the Airbnb steps is an odd photo - could be anyone. Anyone could have called Lucy and Brad using Jay's phone, and we only have their word that it was Jay calling and what Jay allegedly said. All five people who create this story know each other. Is there a single independent witness? Did no-one else drive past Jay - just the Airbnb owner?
I know this live has finished but for a boy of 19 who has been on a 3 day bender and hungover and dehydrated how far could he really have gotten b4 passing out that’s the real question.
Poor Jay trusted the wrong people .
I think Lucy knows where he is she is the two men’s friend ?
I'm so sorry for missing your live, Nick. Aa for the cases you mentioned, I always look at what we know to be factual: their age, most recent social activities (partying and drinking), sleep deprivation, and ultimately being confronted with unfriendly, even dangerous, terrain. The rest is, in my view, a list of mindless conspiracies and hypotheticals. Thanks for your helpful analyses of all these cases, Nick.
I appreciate your level-headed reporting on this topic. Clearly you host one of the more objective crime sites on the internet. It amazes me all RUclipsrs out there posting these ridiculous theories just to get clicks. So many of us look for an alternative to "mainstream media" from independent RUclips news sources but it's ironic they are becoming one in the same. They both share the same perspective that it's not about whether the news is accurate, it's about ratings, or in the case of RUclips, clicks and likes. And, of course, ultimately a financial payoff as a result.
Corrie McKeague was 23 in 2016 when he vanished he was very intoxicated at the time hes never been found but they suggest he fell asleep in bin then tipped into a waste lorry no DNA found as far as i recall....
i remember the steven cook case. It was the same story, everyone was adamant it was foul play because there was no logical explanation as to how he ended up that far out the way. The body was that badly damaged and decomposed that they were unable to determine his cause of death. The rumour at the time was he'd insulted some locals wife and ended up getting stabbed over it.
It's crazy that people are here saying stuff like "I don't care" in the chat while using up the finite amount of time we all have. Just from a personal point of view I come here for objective information. You do a great job of conveying facts and speculation while keeping logic and reasoning in sight. The way you handle malicious users and bad actors is admirable, more creators in this lane should have a more serious approach to malicious users. I think some of them are quite happy having a toxic viewer base.
Unfortunately there are limits to the type of terrain on can take a dog to. They can't navigate through cacti and they can't be taken along very steep slopes unfortunately. I think it possible Jay might have slid and fallen down an inaccessible ravine, but..?🤔
It was very fortuitous and convenient for the supposed “kidnapper(s)” and supporters of the foul play theory that the “kidknapper(s)” timed the kidnap to do it so perfectly only after Jay’s phone had died and not in the period before so they wouldn’t be tracked. Not sure how the supposed “kidnappers” would have had the prior knowledge on Jay’s low phone battery and to time the kidnap only after Jay’s phone had died so no one would know his location anymore, let alone not be seen by other drivers, let alone not to leave any evidence or dropped items anywhere at the scene, let alone actually find/track down/spot and take Jay from an off-road, not easily accessible trail location in the middle of nowhere in rural Tenerife at 9am on a normal weather Monday morning. Ultimately, there’s no actual evidence that supports the foul play theory just a convenient wild social media conspiracy used to fill in the blanks with the lack of overall concrete/physical evidence creating a more grandiose clickbait story, add on the fact it’s highly improbable due to the time, location, Jay’s age/demographic, Tenerife’s crime statistics etc…what’s far more likely is a young carefree lad not thinking straight in a frenzied, dehydrated and delirious state after a no sleep, drug and alcohol-fuelled 3 day bender in foreign land in an unfamiliar, confusing and highly treacherous, extremely vast, rural wild environment who wanted to show off this beautiful location to his mates by taking Snapchat’s but then admitted he was lost (!) and wondered off towards the beach/ocean in an effort to seek civilisation/help down a dangerous ravine notorious online for its unclear trail, unstable rough terrain and deathly drops has come to harm (potentially injured falling) and has unfortunately then crawled into a cave or something similar for shelter overnight and sadly passed away soon after due to the cold/dehydration/injuries/his already incapacitated state (explains why no sightings of his body or any items/evidence yet and why nothing was heard or seen in first few days in particular). Could be wrong, just going off probabilities, can’t completely rule out say a roadside hitchhiking kidnap, but that’s just far more unlikely. Just my opinion, not meant to offend anyone! Love your videos TCRS.
There have been people missing for donkeys years before they are found quite by chance and some people are never found....often no foul play involved either..!
Love that dog!
With regards to the bus stop. i think he miss understood 10am for 10 mins and thought "there is another bus stop 10 mins down the road i'll walk to that so i don't have to sit here waiting"
And not one person saw him ,whilst he was walking apart from the landlady who drove past him alledgedy ,not one other person saw him ! Yeah right
@@maggieedwards3951 His mate Brad said he heard him stepping on stones. He wasnt on the road for people to see him. The last thing he said to brad was "ill call you back i'll call you back" quite frantically. Brad assumed it was because someone was calling him. What if iti wasn't. What if that was the pinnacle point that he started to tumble. he will of needed both his hands and he had an iphone that aren't cheap and likely wanted to not drop it. I think at that point he's tumbled down the rock face not realising that the part he was trying to scale included a somewhat sheer drop which is why people are under the impression his phone was place or thrown where it was. it probably got ejected from his pocket or hand as he tumbled.
The difference is that jay was a criminal, and he was actively involved with criminals.
Can't really compare those cases against jays.
The underground seen in any country is very dangerous.
I can assure you if it was my son missing, the last thing I'd be doing is sitting on social media and getting into it with people.
So odd that they have sat on the gfm for so long.
They could of potentially saved him if they'd acted immediately.
That's not something I'd want to live with!.
Just so odd how the family have acted around this.
Who watched him get into a car with the men ? Did he? Where’s the cctv? If Lucy left early by herself did cctv catch her walk home? ……. Any other witnesses apart from the lady who owned the b&b ? (Wouldn’t rely on her 🤑)
My nephew 27 years old went missing 7 years ago and has never been found or seen again in his own country
@@margarettownsley9500
Sorry to hear this
@@Jamiejanes926 thank you
Thanku for coverage on this case. Your opinion is very much appreciated. Trying to prove fowl play without evidence is going to be difficult from the uk
You say what evidence is there that there is foul play. There are plenty. The stolen watch, the fact that he went with these two men to a remote house while at least one of them is a convicted drug dealer. His 18 year old friend Lucy traveled 30 times during the last two years. That’s very suspicious and suggests a drug dealing link. There is so much evidence that there is foul-play in this whole story. May be not regarding his disappearance, but at least what built up to that point.
The stolen watch that was never reported stolen?
I don't think any of that is actually 'evidence' of anything.
@@TCRS Jay himself told Lucy he had stolen the watch. If Lucy lied about that, then that raises even further suspicion. Lucy told this to Mark Williams Thomas. The fact that they didn’t report the stolen watch could imply that they wanted to deliver justice to the thief.
I think this is a great discussion of similar disappearances and what we can infer about Jay.
Sorry to miss this live Nick was in the air to DC but catching up now
He likely fell and is hidden in a ravine. Most likely given he was dehydrated and lost. Hopefully for his family his body will be found eventually. I’m surprised they haven’t wound down the search by now.
Great live, good job Nick! Was Eliza Fletcher the case where CCTV caught her killer?
Saw a a vid of someone getting picked up on that main road.
My own investigative findings and hypothesis remain the same, and are on par with your own. He slipped, got out the elements to rest and wait and succumbed to dehydration. I did feel like he fell asleep where he rested and never woke up. It’s very sad, but these tragedies happen all the time.
ruclips.net/video/H1mFbngFXXM/видео.htmlsi=dOdohhHboIRR5BkU
I hope that was the case, as the notion that he could have suffered for hours, if not days, is horrible.
Oh I missed the live
Will be watching it on replay later
This is a great channel
Much appreciated
The cacti acts like razzle dazzle camouflage and breaks up or disguises the terrain, hiding what is around them. Drones are fine for overhead but without skilled operators and hi def video they are useless, similarly a plan is needed before just flying them. Randomly searching is a waste of time. A "manual" search is always limited by line of sight. The treacherous terrain of Tenerife makes a search in numbers problematic and dangerous. What is this obsession with foulplay? It is quite childish - as if there are malignant criminals hiding behind every corner - check the Tenerife crime numbers before talking nonsense. As a rule holiday makers do not visit crime hot spots.
Look at the case of Bill Ewasko. He disappeared in Joshua Tree Park and even though a team of people spent years looking for him it took 12 years before his remains were accidentally found by hikers.
that Instagram pic of those same three guys posing as the "three wise monkeys" taken on the road near where Jay's phone last pinged says it all really
I haven't got insta. Would be curious to see it
Great job, as always, Nick!
There's something fishy about this case....Let's see if the UK's police can shed light on it, because I think....This could be an " on purpose" disappearance?
"Anyone else in chat who doesn't care, then just let us know."😀
Great show!! Yhas nobody thought about infra red from helicopter?
A thermographic camera is great when the temperature of the object one is looking for, is markedly different from the surrounding environment- like one sees in those reality police shows in Britain. And they’re not concealed in a building, or cave.
Sadly, by this stage, assuming Jay has died, there would be little difference in the thermal signature.
@@maireadnic8280 agreed sir
Can it be a scam?
Looking forward to you covering the Alec Baldwin case 🙂
I missed the live. I enjoy your vids. So glad you are covering this case. I wonder if any volunteer rescue organisations will join the search or will agree to search for a donation. A private search will cost a lot more than the go fund me has currently collected. I really hope Jay's body can be found as I think he sadly passed the day he went missing
I was going to say it needs to be a painstakingly thorough search and the dogs are a must. There is equipment to lower and hoist dogs to places just like human beings. Has anyone checked wind directions on the day Jay went missing? This would have factored in to a dog search that day. I love this channel 😊
Given that the last phone ping is said to be from an area that is not accessible, have to seriously consider that the phone was thrown there and there’s nothing to be found. Perhaps the police received intel hence calling off the physical search of the area so abruptly. County lines and associations with criminals points to a very different situation.
Jay left his passport and phone at his hotel
Per who
Why is everyone supporting and searching for a drug addict that openly admitted to stealing a Rolex watch. Would assume even if he is found hes going straight to jail. Sounds like the world's better off without him.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
This is my go to channel for true crime. I absolutely agree the right dogs ( some dogs are trained for very specific roles) need to be brought in... that can not only handle the terrain but the heat. I'm thinking " he left here alive" is leakage :-/
Keep up the good work... hi from the Scottish Highlands :-)
EYou asked accident or foul play without knowing anything. Well many Brits are biased, so if Stephen Cook disappeared in a foreign country many Brits would think foul play as a 1st option..!☹️
Missed ur live sorry,, but I'm here watchin on replay
ALL CAPS!!!!
This guys still believing the cover story
Good work I still think that the two men tracked him down and took the watch from jay and did something to jay but we might never know lots of tiger sharks in the waters there
I'm not sure what the problem is, but I've left about 4 comments here, none of which are showing. And I'm a subscribed, and paying member. It's a bit ridiculous really. I give up.
@@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb it could be that you are accidentally using an automatically filtered word, and he hasn’t had a chance to release it?
I help manage a YT channel and that’s the case for us.
@maireadnic8280 thank you my dear for trying to work out why and sharing. I will give it another try.
@@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb no bother! 😊
Awh look at your doggy...just want s to be near you..❤
I have been watching, but it has been spratick. Have they used drones to search for him? Also, is the cacti that you are talking about around the terrain? Could it be eaten or provide him with food and water? I know it sounds weird, but I live in Arizona and people eat it and can even make jam from the fruit of some types of cacti.
On a stove in boiling water
the stolen watch in Jay's snapchat pic is an 18-carat white gold Royal Oak AUDEMARS PIGUET. in Jay's message he even says it's an "AP". why people are saying it's a Rolex is beyond me. Jay's photo literally shows the actual watch
I’m confused.. I thought jay was broke bloke
Watch Peter Weir film “Picnic at Hanging Rock” and a film was made about a young couple who are left behind in the ocean while on a diving expedition with a group in the Bahamas
Thank you for the thoroughness and intellect you bring to these cases. Also, I'm from the Bronx, NY, love the baseball cap.
🙌Looking great❤️🇿🇦
Bro means well, but is completely missing the point. The whole thing is highly sketchy and nothing makes any sense. To have blinkers on, only considering a bog standard missing persons case of a boy that got lost is amateur AF
On the contrary
If you don’t want kicked out of conversation then don’t test the waters.
So sorry I missed this, but I will catch up 😊
I missed it too. Just watched. A good one per usual!
Have a nice weekend Robbi!
Hi mate, great commentary
Thanks for the visit
One of the most absurd comments in recent days was on TALK tv that "it seems like Jay doesn't want to be found"...
He fell down somewhere, dehydrated, fatigued, and disorientated. He fell down a hole of some kind. Its not rocket science.
Haha my Name is Timi 😂 hi from England … missed your live catching up loving it ❤🫶🇬🇧
❤loving the dog
Sorry I missed your live
The theme song says nightmares! That is ironic. I thought that it was a British style of music then the presenter sounds Australian 🤔
You joined this channel 14 years ago, prior to current intro music. Why are you asking this/ what is your point?
He could have fractured an ankle or leg limb I have done that on a mountain bike
As substances wore off he get very thirsty and likely take chances to get to a river. Sense of balance could be poor on no food or sleep and one can picture winding up in a river or stream.
Drones, I know the police have already used drones, but correct me if I’m wrong this is newer information so this can narrow down the search area
If he is just innocently missing in the terrain would be to search the undergrowth where his phone last pinged he could have slipped and fell below the undergrowth .
Have you seen the photo on the wall of the main road? Three men, one looks like the B&B guy. Supposedly on the day Jay went missing. They look like they are mocking with the title quack , quack? I can't post it here to show you
Like your hat, is it winter there?
Perhaps check via the beach upwards?
Do we know if any information has come from his phone?
Love Timmy this is very dodgy this case. No closer. Hope he is found gosh my hearts with his parents . Its so awful one can only imagine their fears .
Fallen into river, or had phone stolen and money jack osullivans
Yes, I think dogs are necessary here - they're our best friend for many reasons, a few being their beautiful sense of smell and intuition. The terrain looks tough, though. There could be no way he is still alive as he wouldn't have water - cactus wouldn't be edible, contrary to what people might think, and would probably make one sick. Even if he found a cave, unless it had fresh water, I cannot imagine a way for a person to survive more than a few days at the most.
These searches know what there doing they know the rocks the cactus is huge
No way we have been through there be for that is one big drop
Just out of interest, obviously GPS is triangulated aprox location. In a case in the USA the lawyer spoke about they could access the speed of the vehicle through the phone, in honesty I do not know if the phone had to be linked/connected to the car. I am sure you will know either way. I only say this as a few rumours are saying the phone could have been thrown earlier or later. Thanks for the commentary
Is this the same guy as Auditing Britain?
Even small cacti are very painful if you stab yourself. We have a few at home indoors.
"what is making it so difficult to find him" - The search was all over the place due to rumour and speculation. It only takes a body 9 days to full decompose in the sun. By now they're looking for a pile of bones on the side of a mountain that can only be searched by professionals. That last call he had with brad where he's saying he will call him back was likely the moment he's started to slip and realise he's in trouble. he's needed both his hands and wanted to save his expensive iphone. He's still slipped and rolled down the side of the embankment LAUNCHING his phone in the process. he is dead in a pill at the bottom of a ravine.
to be clear trying to find a person out there is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Trying to find BONES is like trying to find that needle ANYWHERE in the universe
Cadaver dogs will only get the scent for up to two weeks. Also if he's in a part of the terrain that even humans can't reach without gear....hows a dog getting there?
Lovely dog
Look at the photo taken on the door step, 4 dark circles or spots on the left beneath the shoe on the left, one spot a small splash ? the left hand shoe ? and black slipper, not a trainer a semi-circular tip, then look again.. the left shoe is larger than two right-hand semi circular tips poking out from a curtain or blanket. The two tips of slippers on the right hand side appear to be the same size, belonging to a person standing on the RIGHT of the step. Left side, the 'foot' size is larger.. a bigger person standing behind to the side of a smaller individual, holding a smaller person whilst taking a photo ?
With the Bristol lad, and others, the likeliest reason they went into the river, because they went to piss, and either slipped on a grassy bank, or misjudged their footing and slipped.
I sadly knew two men this happened to; one was 20 (but not a drinker) and the other in his 30s.
In both cases, their bodies didn’t move from where they went into the water, but it still took a long time to find their bodies, weeks in one case, years in another.
Jay likely didn’t go into water, but was nevertheless the victim of a series of sad circumstances.
I’m confused - why is he a different bloke to normal?
I was wondering if you can hear your Schnautzer sneaking up on you wirh your headphones on 😅
Steven cook accidental
Sorry, had to go to bed before your show finished, it was very late here in New Zealand. David Paulides has written a book about the many young men who go missing after they have been drinking. It is called A Sobering Coincidence and is part of his Missing 411 books on strange disappearances. Thank you for all your hard work.
Is your accent South African?
I care! You're doing a great job.
I appreciate that!
As always a reasoned analysis
Fluffy Timmy
The sweetest!
Facebook marketplace does CSI …hilarious but badly spelled and grammatically incorrect fiction. Mint bro!
I feel Jay will never be found just like little maddie macann. There is so many layers to this story . If Jay has gone there to rob from these gangsters then am afraid I feel he’s not alive anymore . Or 2 he has actually had a accident in them mountains . It’s a shame a young man got involved in drugs an crime . He’s mixed with the wrong ins an to steal from these people is a big no no . I do feel so sorry for his mum & dad this must be heartbreaking not knowing if ur child is alive or dead .
Another point for Darwin
Good morning Sleuth Timmy and Nick
Nick!!Please don't be discouraged go on and update us hoping that Jay will be found soon!!!!!
Lucy was the girl friend of the lad that got hurt by 8 lads and Jay was one of them. Lucy also knew the 2 from B&B in the quiet area that picked him up
Jay sounds like a real 💩
Should be searching the sea, to the north of mascara.
I personally dont think he would go off the road .