Bucky saying "I remember all of them" actually makes him even more sympathetic because he's an innocent man who remembers all the horrible things he was forced to do against his will.
@@Timmayytooim actually a little surprised how many reactors I've seen misinterpret his words. The way Bucky delivered the words was enough for me to know what he meant at least.
@@thorkagemob1297Yes, I’m not the only one bothered by this. Almost every reactor I’ve seen takes it as Bucky goading him and I don’t understand how that can be interpreted that way… he’s clearly saying he’s haunted by all the people he was made to kill
people always say Wanda chose to save Captain America thus destroying the building and the people in it but they forget there are also a lot of civilians on the ground everywhere even around Cap. it was a lose-lose situation. at that moment she tried to get the explosion as far as she could.
Far fewer people died in the building than would have died on the ground. The ground was an open-air marketplace. The building is a building. If a bomb is going off, would you rather have a concrete and steel wall between you and it, or just air?
@@PhilBagelsits kind of like the trolly problem. On one hand pulling the lever will kill less people, but you are making the conscious decision to sacrifice those people. However Wanda didn’t know that she was throwing the bomb in the direction of the building until it had already exploded so in the moment she definitely made the better decision.
@@elliott2501 Yes. I don't mean to diminish the tragedy of the people that died in the building. And Wanda didn't know exactly when the explosion was going to happen. And she also didn't necessarily have that much experience containing bomb explosions.
You're missing the point of the movie entirely. As long as we're talking about a superhero action movie, all is fine of course, but if we want to have a real talk about it: first of all, all of them should have been detained by authorities immediately after the facts, second, there should have been an investigation after to determine all the events and if everyone acted in the best way possible, third, they shouldn't even fight in the middle of the crowd in the first place, imagine if police started shooting in the middle of the crowd to hit a criminal who's running away. Fourth, who gave them permission to operate there, in another country, without any permission or supervision, or rules of engagement? Are they even allowed to carry weapons? They killed people NOT in self defence (they killed criminals, yes, but still people) with NO authority, they are literally murderers and criminals themselves. If it happened in the real world it would have been absolutely crazy and they should all go to jail for life. But it's cool to be superheores, so it's ok.
You two seem to have forgotten that Wanda wasn't as skilled as the rest of the Avengers. She's a newbie in every sense of the word, and if she hadn't done what she did, a lot more people would have died on the ground.
Agree, it's not only her fault, it's the entire team's fault. Why were they even fighting in the middle of the crowd?? It makes me laugh everytime when they're all surprised there were victims...
It's not inexperience. It's that she couldn't contain a massive explosion. She saved way more people by containing the explosion. And they're fighting in a market near they terrorists team into a crowd. When you have legit highly armed criminals fleeing from law enforcement really bad things happen. But folks have no clue about reality.
Btw, the Toby McGuire Spiderman was a change from the comic books. Peter Parker invents his webs. He doesn't shoot them from his own wrists as part of his powers. Both Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland spidermen follow the comics more closely in this regard. Both Steve Rogers and Nat Romanoff found out that Tony's father was killed by Hydra In Capt America: The Winter Soldier when they went to NJ and found the AI version of the austrian scientist, Arnim Zola. Neither of them told Tony about it. They probably decided not to because the fight against hydra started right after Winter Soldier. If Tony learns Hydra killed his parents, he will act recklessly to destroy them. And that could end with him or one of the other Avengers getting killed or injured. EDIT: Or maybe additional civilian casualties.
For the Toby McGuire movies, they didn't want to make it longer, taking more time to show him inventing the web fluid and web shooters. They "streamlined" the story by making the webs come from his body.
@@PhilBagels Stop giving false information, buddy, Raimi and Koepp just thought it would be more realistic for the character transformation that he can produce his own web, which doesn't make more sense and takes away from Peter's intellect and engineering, but whatever.
Actually, the original Spider-man in the comics did shoot his own organic webs. However, more recent and popular iterations of the character, in the comics, manufactured his webs.
@@reynaldolorenzo8409 Actually that's also not true. Raimi and Koepp didn't think of the organic webs, James Cameron did. James Cameron was the one who prioritized "gritty realism" in his treatment. Also Curt, you're wrong, the OG comics had web shooters, not organic webs. Organic webs made it into the comics after the Raimi film and after Peter "died". Spider-Man 2099 also has organic webs, but the OG Lee/Ditko comics did not have organic webs.
@@curtquinlan9870 That is 100% incorrect. The original Spider-Man (Amazing Fantasy #15 - August 1962) Peter Parker was bit by the radioactive spider and had to build his own web-shooters. That is basic info. The organic web shooters first appeared in the symbiote suit in Amazing Spider-Man #253 - June 1984, more than 20 years later.
Nobody criticised Chadwick Boseman btw. He was actually very well loved. Everyone loved him as Black Panther and everyone loved him as a person. He never really actually looked horrible at any point. And the amount of willpower he had to shoot all his movies WHILE he had cancer is crazy. Everyone has nothing but respect for Chadwick from the start. RIP 🙏
U guys have to realize: 1) if Cap hadn’t hesitated to access the situation when Bucky’s Name was mentioned, none of it would have happened . 2) Wanda didn’t just save Cap, but all the people on the ground near the bomb, and it was a limited reaction based safe, it was either all the people on the ground including her; or repel it to the sky. It was clear that she didn’t mean to lift it directly to the building.
Why were they even fighting in the middle of the crowd?? That's the point! Imagine if police started shooting in the middle of the crowd to hit some criminal who's running away... I don't think you would like that.
@@Mandorle21because they still had bad guys to stop and those bad guys were the ones who ran into the crowd to try and lose them, and obviously they don't care about the civilians lives like the heroes do
@@endofyeww20 But it's not their country and not their jurisdiction. They're a group of mostly American soldiers/agents operating in Lagos as if they own the place. They never should have intervened.
It’s a Cap movie because this film narratively is a sequel to the Winter Soldier movie and Cap trying to bring his friend back. The main characters are Cap, Tony and Bucky; everyone else is secondary at best and a glorified cameo at worst.
Wow yall were harsh Wanda saved everyone on the ground it was a fucking bumb she couldn't stop it from blowing. She saved a lot more ppl than were hurt in that building including cap
44:20 - Steve knew about Tony's parents being murdered from Zola's computer exposition dump in The Winter Soldier, but he didn't know that it was Bucky. 52:00 Toby Maguire's Spider-Man is the ONLY version of the Peter Parker character whose body naturally produces his own webs. Every other iteration of the character, throughout comics, TV & film, has web-shooters on his wrists that use a chemical compound to create the webbing.
In the comics Peter had organic webs a few times, but it always a temporary thing in a specific story arc. It's never been a standard thing for the character. Unfortunately many people were first exposed to Spider-Man in the Toby MaGuire movies, and don't realize the comic book character had web shooters from the start.
@@neospock5034 are there instances where spider man runs out of web fluid in battle? I can’t remember any but I’ve only seen the movies, never gotten into the comics or anything else. Idk if Toby’s would have unlimited webs bc he makes it naturally in his body or if it’s like sperm or titty milk for lack of better examples where you have a limited supply. Unlimited webs on Spider-Man would be relatively OP or a super strong version of Spider-Man at least. & running out of webs in battle on the other side of things, could be detrimental & possibly fatal
@@LlanchloYes, I too think it was a combo of what Zola told him and the Dossier which Widow handed him at end of Winter Soldier. That Dossier is supposedly from Russian spies, not SHIELD.
Epic speech, can be applied to a lot of things in life. Having the will to stand your ground when others won’t is a incredible strength that the vast majority of the population doesn’t have
And it's completely mental, it leaves me fuming every time I watch that scene. "It's illegal, everyone is telling me to stop, including authorities, but I really want to do it, so I'll do it anyway". Dangerous massage to put into a movie which is also directed to children. Not to mention crazy people who think it's a positive message just because it sounds "badass".
@@Mandorle21 delusional, your the typa person to say video games caused mass shootings or that the earth is flat Dangerous message your sending as well, if anybody in a position of power tells me something? I’m not gonna ask any questions, just blindly follow, “they’d never lie to me”, somebody could come to your house guns drawn with a fake police uniform & escort you straight down to the ghetto, ww2 German SS style & you’d prob thank them & believe that it was “only temporary & for your protection”
In the second captain America film natasha and steve saw that Howard and maria died in an accident when they were in that shield bunker that got blown up. The story still continued as a captain America story with bucky which is why it wasnt an avengers film
In Wanda's defense, the casualties were unavoidable. Crossbones intended to kill more than just himself and Cap, he knew the potential collateral damage would be horrible, he just didn't care. It's a standard tactic with terrorists, the identity of the civilian casualties is irrelevant, only the numbers are important, and the more civilians hurt the better, especially if you can blame it on your enemies. Most nationalistic terrorist groups work it at both ends, they'll make certain to ensure the deaths of as many of their own civilians as possible, and of course the media will be quick to aid this strategy, willingly, in some cases. It gets them a bigger story and higher ratings.
If you kicked a grenade, that landed at your feet, away from you in order to save the lives of those around you. The place that the grenade lands happens to be near another group of people, is that your fault?
"When you can do the things I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." Peter is Steve 2.0, and that's why Tony wants to mentor him. The Spider-App in the final post-credits scene is an obscure nod for the comic-book nerds; in his early days Spidey had a belt-mounted "Spider-Signal" which he used to startle bad guys and highlight them for cops to pick up after he stomped 'em. It fell out of use quickly, probably because writers realized it would really only help make him a target.
And Tony completely misses the point with the Sokovia Accords. "When you can do the things I can, but you don't, because a UN committee didn't give you permission, and then the bad things happen, they happen because you signed the Sokovia Accords."
@@PhilBagelsNo, the Sokovia accords means, “With great power comes great responsibility of using that power correctly even if it means having someone supervise you and losing your freedom.” It was always about freedom with regards to the Sokovia accords. Sokovia accords still meant being able to do the right thing just without the freedom to choose.
@@bensenzo It doesn't make any sense, my friend. Where does he keep the fluid in his body? How did he produce it? How does he cut the web to make another one? It doesn't make sense when he swings because the webs would keep going, not like the web shooting that Peter chooses when to stop and create a newer one, and how did he throw webballs at Harry in SM3? The idea of organic web doesn't make sense at all; it was stupid. Also, it takes away from Peter's intellect and engineering, it's better when a 15-year-old kid is so smart that he makes his own web fluid that even Tony was impressed by it in the comics.
@@reynaldolorenzo8409also in my opinion organic webbing makes Spiderman cooler fun fact originally tobey was gonna use web shooters but they decided to organic instead
About how Captain knew about Tony's parents, in the movie "Captain America The Winter Soldier", remember that scene when Cap and Black Widow find that computer with a human mind in it(Doctor Zola), he showed them some images of what Hydra did over the decades, and he shows that Hydra was the responsable for Howard Stark's death("Accidents happen"), so since then Cap knew that Tony's parents were murdered by Hydra, just didint know it was Bucky who did it, that's also why he first says "I didin't know it was him". Next movie is Doctor Strange, and after that, finally Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2😂
@@PhilBagelsHe knew the winter solder did it. Then he realizes Bucky is TWS. But because he didnt want to believe Bucky was a coldblooded murderer, he shunned it away. That is why Tony insists for him to be sincere.
@@aubinndewe2373 So you think Cap was flat-out lying when he said, "I didn't know it was him"? Hydra is/was a very large organization, and they assassinate people all over the world, all the time. Steve would have no way of knowing which of all the Hydra operatives committed one particular assassination. And Bucky is not THE winter soldier - he's only A winter soldier.
@@aubinndewe2373 Please point out a line of dialogue in Captain America: The Winter Soldier where Steve knew that "THE" or even "A" Winter Soldier did it. And the scene with Zola never mentioned anything about a Winter Soldier being involved.
Marvels continuity is so strong. The mission report for Stark's parents assassination is Dec 16 1991. If you go back to the first Ironman movie, at the beginning during the Vegas award ceremony, they show a newspaper headline of Howard and Maria Stark killed in car crash. The date of the paper is Dec 17 1991, as it would be the next day before the paper would have printed.
The original spider man didn't produce webs. He made web machines. By original I mean the comic book, cartoon and TV show. The Toby Maguire Spiderman is the deviation from the original and is the only spiderman that made his own webs internally. All other versions of spiderman are true to the original story. It's how the Peter Parker is a clever fella is established in the story. He invents a new, incredibly strong material to use as a web and a system to deliver it. Way more impressive than it just being one of the spider bite mutations IMO.
44:57 That means the horrors keep replaying infront of him. He remembers their screams and every detail, and he as a person never wanted that. Not the least bit of that. He can't forget those is what he meant.. this scene is supposed to be a sympathy for bucky scene, not the other way around 🤦🏻
Yea he showed that it's not power but cunning that will beat the avengers. Even though he didn't kill any of them he certainly tore them apart and broke their spirits
I always dislike this villains he had a reason to hate the Avengers, but in his crusade he cause more than dividing and breaking the Avengers, he kill people, so a lot of orphans, widow, his breaking the Avengers, is one of the reasons Avenger lost to Thanos, he help condemn half of the Universe
@@kyloren1014 The thing with him, is that he complain about the Avengers not caring for his family, but he break more families, he kill the King of Wakanda, so his moral arent correct, es simply vengeance,
9:57 The Russo brothers who worked on Community also worked on this movie, Winter Soldier, Infinity War and Endgame! Hence all the Community cameos :) Still waiting on a Joel McHale/Alison Brie cameo
53:48 it was hinted at in Captain America Winter Soldier , when cap and black widow go to that army base and they speak with Zola, blink & you’ll miss it. When Zola is telling cap about sacrifices were made. It occurs at 1:04:48 in the movie. 😎
In the comics Spider-Man makes a web shooter. The Toby McGuire was a departure from the source material. Peter Parker is a science nerd. Sort of like Tony Stark.
The original spiderman, peter parker, was a genius who made his own web fluid. The toby maguire version is the one that changed the origin of where the webbing comes from.
yup... thats how I know him.. the Toby Mcguire thing was wierd to me but i grew to accept it. but im a REAL comic book fan.. even draw comics myself too.. well web toons
@@soramirez5473 I never knew Spider-Man even had web shooters, when I was introduced to Tobey and his was organic I just always thought it was like that, till I started to learn more about the character
@@AkaiAkuma_ Thats so wild to me lol.. I actually liked the Amazing spider man movies more cuz they seemed to follow the comics more.. Ive read ALOT of marvel back in the day.. not really lone characters but more of the universe story lines which featured all of the, avengers, spidey, x-men, fantastic 4, etc etc.. Tobey Mguire movies, were great.. well 1 and 2.. lol. i LOVED Green Goblin and Doc Ock.. sandman was kool. Eddie Brock was not.
@@AkaiAkuma_it makes more sense logically for him to have organic webs but the explanation in the comics was that they wanted him to make the web shooters to show his intelligence level
In the MCU, both Sam/Falcon and Natasha/Black Widow aren't biologically enhanced, they're just humans with training and special gear. Tony and Rhodey too, but they're wearing full high-tech armored suits. In the comics Black Widow received a Russian version of the super-soldier serum, but not in the MCU.
For me, Natasha is definitely enhanced; the MCU just didn't know what to do with the character and made it inconsistent and bad-told to the viewers. In her movie, there is a quick shot of the blue serum; in the opening scene with little Natasha and Yelena, with all the quick edits and music, you can see the serum; she also took a slap from Hulk in Avenger's 2012; and in her film, she fell from a building and landed on her feet like nothing.
Even though was a bunch of Avengers in this movie, It's a captain America movie because Bucky is involved in it and the lengths that Steve goes through to help his best friend which also leads into the conflict with Tony. I agree that Tony is allowed to be upset with finding out about his parents but actively trying to kill Bucky when he wasn't even in control of himself, meaning it wasn't really his fault. The fault is with Hydra, who programmed Bucky to be the winter soldier and ultimately their pawn so that's who Tony should really be after. Tristan, you said that Bucky shouldn't have said that he remembered everyone he killed whilst he was the winter soldier but he said that with such a sad voice and with guilt, it's not like he was saying that to brag or anything plus Tony asked in the first place. I hate that Tony brought Peter into a battlefield filled with adults, he's literally a teenager, a minor plus he didn't tell him the complete truth on why he was there in the first place especially because peter was in danger because of the Sokovia Accords if they found out Spidermans identity. The reason Bucky is going into Cryofreeze is so the Wakandans can figure out how to get the trigger words from Hydra out of his head which is totally understandable when he said he's afraid of his own mind and doesn't want to cause anymore pain or hurt because everything that he did whilst he was the winter soldier clear affects him very much. Despite what Zemo did to get his plan to work which included framing Bucky and triggering him into the winter soldier, I am very sympathetic towards Zemo because Tony created Ultron which created the destruction of Sokovia and in turn killing Zemos family. He had the smartest plan and he succeeded.
You might understand more of the movie if 1) you stop guessing/wondering, and 2) stop cracking jokes over the dialogue. You miss a lot, then are confused about what's happening, then resort to "wondering" again.
Hopefully they see this, was thinking the same thing. Glad I don’t have to type that out myself, it’s one of the most common plagues of reaction channels. For Fucks sake if what your gonna say is gonna take more than 5 seconds just pause it & unpause when your done talking. No joke I tried watching a movie w my mom the other week & I was getting driven insane, her talking over the movie. Just went back up stairs & said Imll just let you watch it yourself💀😭 lmk what you think when it’s over. she didn’t mind at all, I see my mom everyday thankfully
Since everyone keeps posting that Spider-Man makes his web fluid, I'll just say that it's kind of an important piece of Spider-Man IMO, because it shows just how intelligent he is. Here's a fifteen year old kid who developed something on his own that impresses even Tony Stark, and doesn't exist in the world otherwise. In this movie, it's shown that he had web-shooters before Tony met Peter, so it's not a 'suit' thing. All the other powers, he has, which is why he can fight Steve one on one. Granted, he's a kid, so he's nowhere near the peak of his powers, but in the comics Spider-Man has punched someone's jaw off.
Zemo stands up as one of the compelling "villains". Losing your parents is nothing compared to your children and someone you truly love. That is a whole other level.
32:59 Spider-Man actually uses Web Shooter in the comics as well, created by himself. They hold web fluid cartridges that can turn out and need changing etc. The idea of Organic web shooters that fire from Spider-Man's body is solely unique to the Sam Rami Spider-Man films a left over from the James Cameron 90s Spider-Man script but was actually a last minute change for Spider-Man (2002) as they originally went for the Web Shooters from the comics but changed it last minute to Organic shooters, can find footage of Peter using the web shooter online. Yeah Marvel were trying for years to get Spider-Man into the MCU. When Avengers (2012) came out they tired to feature Oscorp Tower from The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) in the background but this never happened. When Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) came out they tried to feature the Age of Ultron Avengers tower in the New York Skyline but from my understanding Sony was already nearly finished with the visual effects so this never happened. These two would've connected Andrew Garfield's Amazing Spider-Man films to the MCU so we would've had a origin story in those films and by the time of Civil War (2016) Peter would've been in College around 19 to 21 so he would've been older in this film if Andrew was Spider-Man But instead a new Spider-Man was introduced that being Tom Holland a 15 year old making him the youngest live action Spider-Man funny enough, Both Toby and Andrews Peter Parkers were bitten at 17 instead of 15 like the comics. But in return the MCU kind of kick starts Spider-Man's journey by having Tony create Peter's first actual Spider-Man suit with all kind of gadgets and tech while also fighting alongside The Avengers. In the comics Peter does meet the Avengers when he's younger around 16 but he never takes part in big crossovers until his college years and it's not until his early 20s that the Comic's Civil War happens where Peter is also given a cool high tech Stark suit. So they pretty much brought Spider-Man into the world of the Avengers from the beginning in this film just a few months after being bitten.
Hear some Spider-Man facts. Spider-Man could never produce his webbing naturally that only occurs in the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man trilogy which was the easier choice by the director but by giving him organic webbing it takes away from Peter's creativity with him creating his web fluid then his web shooter. Just like Peter dumpster diving in this movie to fix or repurpose discarded electronics. Despite Peter being younger he was one of the toughest and people in the civil war battle. Peter skin is adorable as Kevlar. Strength wise Spider-Man is at least 10 times Captain America's max strength which gets stronger with every appearance and in this movie particularly Steve strength level was at 12 tons. Not to mention his reflexes and enhanced speed which are all tied to his spider Sense. Peter's spider Sense is an early warning to eminent and fatal attacks.
-- In CA2: Steve & Nat learned from Dr. Zola (computer brain) about Hydra's past - including that Hydra killed Howard & Maria Stark (and made it look like an accident). Steve & Nat elected not to tell Tony. The only part they didn't know was The Winter Soldier did the deed. Steve even said "I didn't know it was him (Bucky). -- In Avengers 2: Thanos was responsible for the A.I causing the destruction. Tony only gave Ultron a name and personality because it absorbed his Ultron network.. -- As for Wanda - Civilians were all around the blast. She tried to contain the blast but couldn't do it forever. She sent the contained explosion into the air hoping to get it away from everyone before it broke containment. If the explosion stayed on the ground, even more people would have died.
This movie shows the ever classic 'Freedom vs Safety' debate with the Accords discussion. History repeatedly showed us that if you sacrifice freedom for safety, you have neither.
Spider man originally uses web shooters in comics. But one thing that is special about him is the raw power he has. He can be compared to Cap, Black pantyee, etc and can easily take on them if he learns good combat tactics. As you can see here too at the airport fight he easily catches Bucky's punch like its nothing.
@@jeremyrdlamaxima7052 yeah you're right actually. Also if you remember the sheer speed he yeets a piece of metal/concrete to bucky by saying "I think you lost this!" could have decapitated bucky if he did not dodge. Btw sorry for that horrendous black Panther typo🤣
@@debjoy9950 just edit it my guy no worries though. And yeah you're right about Spiderman. He's supposed to be way stronger than Bucky, captain America, tony stark (before infinity war version) and many more and we'll get there slowly in the MCU once we get Venom as his enemy.
Wanda didn’t make a mistake necessarily because it was a lose-lose situation. Im baffled that you didn’t make the assessment that this situation was like the trolley problem. She could’ve let the people on the ground die, which would’ve killed alot of people at the Market or sacrifice a few in the building (possibly lessening the damage)since it blew up outside the building to save the majority!
Remember that in "Winter Soldier", Zola showed Cap archives confirming that Howard and Maria's death was not an accident. While he didn't have exact confirmation that Bucky killed them, he knew that Bucky had been coerced to carry out assassinations for HYDRA for decades and was definitely smart enough to put two and two together. Tony's rage at the end is more about hurting Cap for the betrayal of keeping this from him. (Remember in "Age of Ultron" Cap reprimanded Tony for keeping things from him (i.e. creating Ultron), while Cap was keeping THIS from him.
It's never specified in any of the movies that Cap specifically knew it was Bucky that killed Tony's parents, but Steve knew that HYDRA was responsible for it (Computer brain Zola told him). My head canon is that what Steve was saying "yes" to was yes, he knew HYDRA killed them. It's also possible that Steve put it together off-screen, but I'm not aware of anything that either confirms or denies it.
Spider-Man usually makes the Web and Webshooter technology. It's actually unusual for any iteration to have the web come physically out of him, like in the Tobey Maguire Spidey films.
The reason why Abed is im Winter Soldier and the Dean in Civil War have cameos is because the directors The Russo Brothers directed many of the “Community” episodes
36:10 Yeah, that's the thing. Iron man was supposed to have a minor role as antagonist and it was supposed to be Cap's story. But Rdj refused to work on the movie until he got a bigger part comparable to the lead. Then the Marvel executives wanted to make Iron man more sympathetic and held trial screenings to determine which side people were choosing. So the Russo brothers had to modify their movie until it was 50-50 among the viewers as to who would choose which side. The result of all of this was that Tony Stark's emotions and motivations were a LOT more explored than the title character's, who lines about the Accords and in general were cut because people obviously started to sympathise with Team Cap more if he was given his say. This results in avery skewed and confusing movie in the end where you cant't really follow what's going on unless you're paying attention and Cap is not given the opportunity to adequately explain his side of things.
@@Tushar_995 Yeah, that's true, I wouldn't have liked Tony as full antagonist. But I would have liked to have Cap explain his side more fully. It seems rather skewed towards Tony's side in the scene where they're debating the Accords or at the airport.
We all knew Tony’s parents were assassinated. Remember Captain America: The Winter Soldier? Arnim Zola says something along the lines of getting rid of threats through “unfortunate accidents” and Howard Stark’s photo was flashed on the screen. You guys missed it but yep. That’s how Cap knew about it. Edit: And yeah, that means Natasha knew about it as well but kept her mouth shut too.
It flashed briefly on the screen for literally one second, wasn't dwelt upon or commented on further, in the middle of a large exposition dump in another movie altogether. I doubt very many people who had only seen that once retained it either.
Spider-Man in the comics always made his own web. It was only Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movies that introduced the organic webs. His power-set is more accurate here (and in The Amazing Spider-Man). He still has his powers without the suit. One of my favs. Great movie. Also, again, suggesting Black Widow (minus the end credits scene; don't watch that until after Endgame) next.
@gc5763 none of the characters you named are Spider-Man. In the case of the symbiote, it's the symbiote that produces the webbing not the host. I stand by my statement that Miguel and Toby are the only version of Spider-Man that produce organic webs.
i love how nat was thinking deep during tony and cap's debate about the introduction of the accords then deliberately sided with tony just in case cap might need some help eventually that only a "double agent" could do. like, she wasn't afraid to be that as she was that loyal to her friendship with cap
fun fact Tony's jokes and stuff about aunt May isnt without a reason so the reason is RDJ was dating Marisa Tomei i the early 2000s i bellive or late 90s or both
The natural webbing of Spider-Man was actually just Tobey Maguire's thing. Its not spider-man's superpower. All Spider-man versions use web shooters with artificial webs. I mean one time Peter had natural webbing in the comics, but it was... Uh u know what, never mind, its naughty and complicated story... :)
It's not like Steve was sitting on the secret for years. Either Bucky told him or he found out while researching Bucky's actions. Steve would have told Tony when he resolved himself and do it as gently as possible not with all hell breaking loose.
In the comics, the Falcon had a trained hawk named Redwing... who is a drone here. Also in the comics, Sharon was originally Peggy's sister, then got retconned as Peggy's niece.
Hearing you refer to the Organic Webbing "I prefer the Original" made me feel sick to my stomach for a split second. I love the Tobey Maguire movies as well, but I always forget that they corrupted most people's idea of how his webs should work.
It's an amazing movie, and beautifully executed, but it is the MCU movie that I am least drawn to re-watch because of how tragic it all is. It's just... hard to really see everyone torn apart like that.
In the comics spider man always had mechanical web shooters but in Toby’s movie rami just thought it made more sense to have it added to his powers. In fact Toby was also supposed to have mechanical web shooter originally that you can see in one his first teaser trailer
You're right Tristan, it's Tony's fault. He should never be involved in what happened in Sokovia... and just let Ultron destroy all life on the planet. That would have been better.
This IS the original Spiderman. The character in the comics was a 14 year old kid (or so)That was a genius. He created his own web shooters and web formula. The possibility of them running out was part of the tension. Tobey Maguire's Spiderman as good as he is was the aberration and there were many Spiderman purists that hated the natural body webs. It was a complete rewrite of the character. Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield's web shooters brought it back to the true Spiderman lore. I liked Tobey but I too hated the natural web.
Never thought ab this before but Tony is just as responsible as anyone for Rhodes paralysis. If he wouldn’t have dickrode & hopped on the sokovia accords so fast, Rhodes wouldn’t have ever been in that fight. Mostly Rhodes & vision are to blame, Rhodes wanted vision to shoot out sams propulsion, turning him into a glider, 1,000,000% risking sams life. Sam dodged & Rhodes received exactly what he wanted vision to do to Sam. Felt bad for him until I made that realization just now, that’s bully shit, doing to others what you yourself can’t handle. I’d almost say he deserved it now but still love rhodes
And Tony is directly responsible for the people who died in Sokovia and one of the reasons why we're here. He's literally the one that created Ultron after being warned not to. That's why he felt so much guilt here. Of course he did it to save lives but if he didn't create Ultron, lots of innocent people that died in Sokovia will still be alive. It's that simple. Charles's mother might not know he created Ultron but she was certainly barking at the right tree by blaming him
What I like about civil war is that although all mostly all heros are there.. It's still a captain America movie and you can feel that. Captain and bucky are mostly in the center.
In the previous Captain America movie The Winter Soldier, the Arnim Zola AI show the news paper article about Howard Stark's death and said accidents happen, essentially letting Captain America and Black Widow know that Tony's parents were assassinated by Hydra. That's how Captain America knew.
32:58 The Tobey trilogy where his webs are organic is actually the unusual variation. For decades whilst the comics were coming out Spider-Man's webs have always come from a mechanical device on his wrist, but since the Tobey trilogy was the first real adaptation and it was done so well most people think that is 'the norm'.
About Spider-Man’s webs, in the vast majority of the comics Spider-Man doesn’t develop the webs naturally, he develops what he calls web shooters. His natural powers from the spider bite allow him to stick to walls and gives him great strength and spider senses as well as lightning fast reflexes.
Not sure if you guys know this, but Chadwick Boseman died of cancer a few years ago. He was helped in his career by Denzel. Inspiring and terribly sad story. he was great as Black Panther.
This movie is a great analogy for current Civil War tensions. It can start as a war of ideologies. Both sides may be right in their own context but fail to see the potential for good the other can offer...or the staging for tragedy when either is implemented in the strictest sense. For some reason we can't find balance. Each side feels they need to take a little more but also give no ground. As the tensions rise, eventually it morphs into something personal and unreasonable. We stop seeing each other as people. We only see enemies. Then any real enemies need only poke and prod us to destroy ourselves. Secular vs Religious, Religion vs Religion, Conservative vs Liberal, Safety vs Freedom, Heteronormative vs LGBTQ+Allies, White vs POC, Rich vs Poor, Native vs Immigrant. If Anyone points to a whole generalized demographic of human beings and dehumanizes them as something to be feared, hated, and/or eliminated then they have... At Best, completely lost track of what they were fighting for to begin with or, At Worst, preying on people's emotions for their own profit, power, or just to see it all burn.
The dean is present because most of early community was directed by the russo brothers (as well as early arrested development, look out for the stair car in the airport fight). Watch out for other community cast members in other movies. (endgame mostly)
You people should really watch THE AMAZING SPIDERMAN 1&2 coz only bcoz of director sam raimi of Tobey spiderman ..the web Comes out of wrist..normally spiderman have webshooters for shooting webs it doesn't comes out of wrist..it's only for Tobey maguire's Spiderman
General/Secretary Ross is wrong in everything he does. He's an idiot and a hypocrite. Does he ever have to answer for what he did in Brazil and on that college campus? For creating the Abomination? At least the Avengers actually succeeded in their missions, but Ross caused all that damage and those casualties and still failed. Ross is the longest-running villain in the MCU.
12:39 it was a no win situation for Wanda. Either innocents on the ground died or the ones in the building died. The bomb was going not sure which location would’ve been fewer casualties. 15:43 it’s so weird that they have Captain America against the government oversight and Tony for it. It seems like it should be the other way around.
33:00 cprrect, the webs come from his web shooters. The Tobey Maguire version with organic webs may be the one you are familiar with, but that is not how Spiderman's powers work in the comics. The director(Sam Raimi) just went a different route with it. So yes, web shooters are the default for Spiderman. He makes the fluid via chemical reactions and loads them into pressurized chambers
During Captain America Winter soldier when they were in the bunker talking to the guy from the first Captain America in the computer they showed that the Winter soldier had killed Tony Stark's parents. But the scene happened so fast. You don't really realize that you was just sorry. If you go back and watch this scene when all the images are flashing you'll see that that's when Captain America found out
27:21 Lol If I was Bucky I’d just screaming “LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!” at the top of my lungs, hoping it’s enough to drown out whatever he’s saying until help (Cap) arrives.
Well, you can’t blame Steve for not telling Toni about his parents over protecting Bucky, who is literally a childhood friend and the person he has from his time period. I absolutely respect him for protecting his friend in this situation.I mean, clearly someone else knew the truth and didn’t tell Toni either.
Bucky saying "I remember all of them" actually makes him even more sympathetic because he's an innocent man who remembers all the horrible things he was forced to do against his will.
Exactly... he wasn't saying that to wind up Tony, but to show that he's haunted by those memories.
@@TimmayytooYep ! and we can see that in Falcon and winter soldier series
@@Timmayytooim actually a little surprised how many reactors I've seen misinterpret his words. The way Bucky delivered the words was enough for me to know what he meant at least.
@@thorkagemob1297Yes, I’m not the only one bothered by this. Almost every reactor I’ve seen takes it as Bucky goading him and I don’t understand how that can be interpreted that way… he’s clearly saying he’s haunted by all the people he was made to kill
Yep, count them as another reactor who misreads that line.
people always say Wanda chose to save Captain America thus destroying the building and the people in it but they forget there are also a lot of civilians on the ground everywhere even around Cap. it was a lose-lose situation. at that moment she tried to get the explosion as far as she could.
Far fewer people died in the building than would have died on the ground. The ground was an open-air marketplace. The building is a building. If a bomb is going off, would you rather have a concrete and steel wall between you and it, or just air?
@@PhilBagelsits kind of like the trolly problem. On one hand pulling the lever will kill less people, but you are making the conscious decision to sacrifice those people.
However Wanda didn’t know that she was throwing the bomb in the direction of the building until it had already exploded so in the moment she definitely made the better decision.
@@elliott2501 Yes. I don't mean to diminish the tragedy of the people that died in the building. And Wanda didn't know exactly when the explosion was going to happen. And she also didn't necessarily have that much experience containing bomb explosions.
Why dont just blow it in the air?
You're missing the point of the movie entirely.
As long as we're talking about a superhero action movie, all is fine of course, but if we want to have a real talk about it: first of all, all of them should have been detained by authorities immediately after the facts, second, there should have been an investigation after to determine all the events and if everyone acted in the best way possible, third, they shouldn't even fight in the middle of the crowd in the first place, imagine if police started shooting in the middle of the crowd to hit a criminal who's running away. Fourth, who gave them permission to operate there, in another country, without any permission or supervision, or rules of engagement? Are they even allowed to carry weapons? They killed people NOT in self defence (they killed criminals, yes, but still people) with NO authority, they are literally murderers and criminals themselves. If it happened in the real world it would have been absolutely crazy and they should all go to jail for life. But it's cool to be superheores, so it's ok.
You two seem to have forgotten that Wanda wasn't as skilled as the rest of the Avengers. She's a newbie in every sense of the word, and if she hadn't done what she did, a lot more people would have died on the ground.
Agree, it's not only her fault, it's the entire team's fault. Why were they even fighting in the middle of the crowd?? It makes me laugh everytime when they're all surprised there were victims...
@@Mandorle21 right!!!
It's not inexperience. It's that she couldn't contain a massive explosion. She saved way more people by containing the explosion. And they're fighting in a market near they terrorists team into a crowd. When you have legit highly armed criminals fleeing from law enforcement really bad things happen. But folks have no clue about reality.
but she could have flew him up in the sky stop acting like what she did was her only option make it make sense please
Btw, the Toby McGuire Spiderman was a change from the comic books. Peter Parker invents his webs. He doesn't shoot them from his own wrists as part of his powers. Both Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland spidermen follow the comics more closely in this regard.
Both Steve Rogers and Nat Romanoff found out that Tony's father was killed by Hydra In Capt America: The Winter Soldier when they went to NJ and found the AI version of the austrian scientist, Arnim Zola. Neither of them told Tony about it. They probably decided not to because the fight against hydra started right after Winter Soldier. If Tony learns Hydra killed his parents, he will act recklessly to destroy them. And that could end with him or one of the other Avengers getting killed or injured. EDIT: Or maybe additional civilian casualties.
For the Toby McGuire movies, they didn't want to make it longer, taking more time to show him inventing the web fluid and web shooters. They "streamlined" the story by making the webs come from his body.
@@PhilBagels Stop giving false information, buddy, Raimi and Koepp just thought it would be more realistic for the character transformation that he can produce his own web, which doesn't make more sense and takes away from Peter's intellect and engineering, but whatever.
Actually, the original Spider-man in the comics did shoot his own organic webs. However, more recent and popular iterations of the character, in the comics, manufactured his webs.
@@reynaldolorenzo8409 Actually that's also not true. Raimi and Koepp didn't think of the organic webs, James Cameron did. James Cameron was the one who prioritized "gritty realism" in his treatment.
Also Curt, you're wrong, the OG comics had web shooters, not organic webs. Organic webs made it into the comics after the Raimi film and after Peter "died". Spider-Man 2099 also has organic webs, but the OG Lee/Ditko comics did not have organic webs.
@@curtquinlan9870 That is 100% incorrect. The original Spider-Man (Amazing Fantasy #15 - August 1962) Peter Parker was bit by the radioactive spider and had to build his own web-shooters. That is basic info.
The organic web shooters first appeared in the symbiote suit in Amazing Spider-Man #253 - June 1984, more than 20 years later.
Nobody criticised Chadwick Boseman btw. He was actually very well loved. Everyone loved him as Black Panther and everyone loved him as a person. He never really actually looked horrible at any point.
And the amount of willpower he had to shoot all his movies WHILE he had cancer is crazy. Everyone has nothing but respect for Chadwick from the start.
RIP 🙏
U guys have to realize: 1) if Cap hadn’t hesitated to access the situation when Bucky’s Name was mentioned, none of it would have happened . 2) Wanda didn’t just save Cap, but all the people on the ground near the bomb, and it was a limited reaction based safe, it was either all the people on the ground including her; or repel it to the sky. It was clear that she didn’t mean to lift it directly to the building.
There would have been a lot more people killed if the bomb had gone off on the ground in that marketplace.
Why were they even fighting in the middle of the crowd?? That's the point! Imagine if police started shooting in the middle of the crowd to hit some criminal who's running away... I don't think you would like that.
@@Mandorle21 Because the Hydra agents were attempting to steal a biological weapon. These weren't just purse-snatchers.
@@Mandorle21because they still had bad guys to stop and those bad guys were the ones who ran into the crowd to try and lose them, and obviously they don't care about the civilians lives like the heroes do
@@endofyeww20 But it's not their country and not their jurisdiction. They're a group of mostly American soldiers/agents operating in Lagos as if they own the place. They never should have intervened.
It’s a Cap movie because this film narratively is a sequel to the Winter Soldier movie and Cap trying to bring his friend back. The main characters are Cap, Tony and Bucky; everyone else is secondary at best and a glorified cameo at worst.
In the comics, Spider-Man webs never came out of his arms, he had to make the fluid and store them in kits
Wow yall were harsh Wanda saved everyone on the ground it was a fucking bumb she couldn't stop it from blowing. She saved a lot more ppl than were hurt in that building including cap
I mean don't forget that if she hadn't done it , a lot of people on the ground would've been dead alongside cap and wanda herself 8:12
Not to mention they were preventing a very determined effort to get a biological weapon, loss of which could have been catastrophic.
@@Llanchlo Why didn't they call the police instead of playing vigilantes? They're all criminals.
44:20 - Steve knew about Tony's parents being murdered from Zola's computer exposition dump in The Winter Soldier, but he didn't know that it was Bucky.
52:00 Toby Maguire's Spider-Man is the ONLY version of the Peter Parker character whose body naturally produces his own webs. Every other iteration of the character, throughout comics, TV & film, has web-shooters on his wrists that use a chemical compound to create the webbing.
In the comics Peter had organic webs a few times, but it always a temporary thing in a specific story arc. It's never been a standard thing for the character. Unfortunately many people were first exposed to Spider-Man in the Toby MaGuire movies, and don't realize the comic book character had web shooters from the start.
@@neospock5034yeah that confused me for a while, always assumed all spider man’s produced their own web fluid naturally
Black Widow handed Cap the dossier on Bucky and said something like "You may not like what you see"
@@neospock5034 are there instances where spider man runs out of web fluid in battle? I can’t remember any but I’ve only seen the movies, never gotten into the comics or anything else.
Idk if Toby’s would have unlimited webs bc he makes it naturally in his body or if it’s like sperm or titty milk for lack of better examples where you have a limited supply. Unlimited webs on Spider-Man would be relatively OP or a super strong version of Spider-Man at least. & running out of webs in battle on the other side of things, could be detrimental & possibly fatal
@@LlanchloYes, I too think it was a combo of what Zola told him and the Dossier which Widow handed him at end of Winter Soldier. That Dossier is supposedly from Russian spies, not SHIELD.
The speech Sharon used at the funeral was something Cap said during the Civil War event in the comics.
Epic speech, can be applied to a lot of things in life. Having the will to stand your ground when others won’t is a incredible strength that the vast majority of the population doesn’t have
And it's completely mental, it leaves me fuming every time I watch that scene. "It's illegal, everyone is telling me to stop, including authorities, but I really want to do it, so I'll do it anyway". Dangerous massage to put into a movie which is also directed to children. Not to mention crazy people who think it's a positive message just because it sounds "badass".
@@Mandorle21 delusional, your the typa person to say video games caused mass shootings or that the earth is flat
Dangerous message your sending as well, if anybody in a position of power tells me something? I’m not gonna ask any questions, just blindly follow, “they’d never lie to me”, somebody could come to your house guns drawn with a fake police uniform & escort you straight down to the ghetto, ww2 German SS style & you’d prob thank them & believe that it was “only temporary & for your protection”
@@Mandorle21 straight boot licker as in government bootlicker, “the government would never lie to me!”
In the second captain America film natasha and steve saw that Howard and maria died in an accident when they were in that shield bunker that got blown up. The story still continued as a captain America story with bucky which is why it wasnt an avengers film
Rip Chadwick
In Wanda's defense, the casualties were unavoidable. Crossbones intended to kill more than just himself and Cap, he knew the potential collateral damage would be horrible, he just didn't care. It's a standard tactic with terrorists, the identity of the civilian casualties is irrelevant, only the numbers are important, and the more civilians hurt the better, especially if you can blame it on your enemies. Most nationalistic terrorist groups work it at both ends, they'll make certain to ensure the deaths of as many of their own civilians as possible, and of course the media will be quick to aid this strategy, willingly, in some cases. It gets them a bigger story and higher ratings.
If you kicked a grenade, that landed at your feet, away from you in order to save the lives of those around you. The place that the grenade lands happens to be near another group of people, is that your fault?
"When you can do the things I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." Peter is Steve 2.0, and that's why Tony wants to mentor him.
The Spider-App in the final post-credits scene is an obscure nod for the comic-book nerds; in his early days Spidey had a belt-mounted "Spider-Signal" which he used to startle bad guys and highlight them for cops to pick up after he stomped 'em. It fell out of use quickly, probably because writers realized it would really only help make him a target.
And Tony completely misses the point with the Sokovia Accords. "When you can do the things I can, but you don't, because a UN committee didn't give you permission, and then the bad things happen, they happen because you signed the Sokovia Accords."
@@PhilBagels Which Tony violates to bring Peter along.
It's also a roundabout way of saying "With great power, comes great responsibility."
@@jeffreywood924 Right. And the Sokovia Accords are a roundabout way of saying, "With great power, comes someone else's responsibility."
@@PhilBagelsNo, the Sokovia accords means, “With great power comes great responsibility of using that power correctly even if it means having someone supervise you and losing your freedom.”
It was always about freedom with regards to the Sokovia accords. Sokovia accords still meant being able to do the right thing just without the freedom to choose.
Sharon Carters eulogy is a monologue bye Capt America in the comics
The Toby Spiderman is actually the odd ball. In the comics Peter had to use external web shooters.
Yup I feel Peter’s intellect inventing his fluid and shooters is overshadowed by the bite induced powers.
How the hell did he even cut off those webs while swinging?😅
@@bensenzo It doesn't make any sense, my friend. Where does he keep the fluid in his body? How did he produce it? How does he cut the web to make another one? It doesn't make sense when he swings because the webs would keep going, not like the web shooting that Peter chooses when to stop and create a newer one, and how did he throw webballs at Harry in SM3? The idea of organic web doesn't make sense at all; it was stupid. Also, it takes away from Peter's intellect and engineering, it's better when a 15-year-old kid is so smart that he makes his own web fluid that even Tony was impressed by it in the comics.
Tobey's webs were in his arms from silk glands and a spinnerate on his wrists @@reynaldolorenzo8409
@@reynaldolorenzo8409also in my opinion organic webbing makes Spiderman cooler fun fact originally tobey was gonna use web shooters but they decided to organic instead
About how Captain knew about Tony's parents, in the movie "Captain America The Winter Soldier", remember that scene when Cap and Black Widow find that computer with a human mind in it(Doctor Zola), he showed them some images of what Hydra did over the decades, and he shows that Hydra was the responsable for Howard Stark's death("Accidents happen"), so since then Cap knew that Tony's parents were murdered by Hydra, just didint know it was Bucky who did it, that's also why he first says "I didin't know it was him".
Next movie is Doctor Strange, and after that, finally Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2😂
He knew it was Bucky.
@@motodork No, he didn't. He knew it was a Hydra assassination, rather than a car accident.
@@PhilBagelsHe knew the winter solder did it. Then he realizes Bucky is TWS. But because he didnt want to believe Bucky was a coldblooded murderer, he shunned it away. That is why Tony insists for him to be sincere.
@@aubinndewe2373 So you think Cap was flat-out lying when he said, "I didn't know it was him"? Hydra is/was a very large organization, and they assassinate people all over the world, all the time. Steve would have no way of knowing which of all the Hydra operatives committed one particular assassination. And Bucky is not THE winter soldier - he's only A winter soldier.
@@aubinndewe2373 Please point out a line of dialogue in Captain America: The Winter Soldier where Steve knew that "THE" or even "A" Winter Soldier did it. And the scene with Zola never mentioned anything about a Winter Soldier being involved.
Marvels continuity is so strong. The mission report for Stark's parents assassination is Dec 16 1991.
If you go back to the first Ironman movie, at the beginning during the Vegas award ceremony, they show a newspaper headline of Howard and Maria Stark killed in car crash. The date of the paper is Dec 17 1991, as it would be the next day before the paper would have printed.
The original spider man didn't produce webs. He made web machines. By original I mean the comic book, cartoon and TV show. The Toby Maguire Spiderman is the deviation from the original and is the only spiderman that made his own webs internally. All other versions of spiderman are true to the original story.
It's how the Peter Parker is a clever fella is established in the story. He invents a new, incredibly strong material to use as a web and a system to deliver it. Way more impressive than it just being one of the spider bite mutations IMO.
In the comics, there are other spidermen who develop their own spiderwebs internally
44:57 That means the horrors keep replaying infront of him. He remembers their screams and every detail, and he as a person never wanted that. Not the least bit of that. He can't forget those is what he meant.. this scene is supposed to be a sympathy for bucky scene, not the other way around 🤦🏻
phase 3, lets go! Zemo is til this day one of my favorite villain. Dude may not be the strongest, but in the end... he beat the Avengers and survived
Yea he showed that it's not power but cunning that will beat the avengers. Even though he didn't kill any of them he certainly tore them apart and broke their spirits
Exactly he set it up to break them apart thus weakened for destiny to arrive
I always dislike this villains he had a reason to hate the Avengers, but in his crusade he cause more than dividing and breaking the Avengers, he kill people, so a lot of orphans, widow, his breaking the Avengers, is one of the reasons Avenger lost to Thanos, he help condemn half of the Universe
@@patriciaalvareztostado8170 that is the point he succeeded beyond his plan but he kept to his morals and why
@@kyloren1014 The thing with him, is that he complain about the Avengers not caring for his family, but he break more families, he kill the King of Wakanda, so his moral arent correct, es simply vengeance,
Bro I just found yall's channel and have been binging all the MCU reactions. Ya'll blessed me with this upload just as I finished the Ant-Man video 🙏🙏
Spiderman in the original comic did not have web ability naturally, so this version of the web/wrist shooter is actually canon.
9:57 The Russo brothers who worked on Community also worked on this movie, Winter Soldier, Infinity War and Endgame! Hence all the Community cameos :)
Still waiting on a Joel McHale/Alison Brie cameo
53:48 it was hinted at in Captain America Winter Soldier , when cap and black widow go to that army base and they speak with Zola, blink & you’ll miss it. When Zola is telling cap about sacrifices were made. It occurs at 1:04:48 in the movie. 😎
In the comics Spider-Man makes a web shooter. The Toby McGuire was a departure from the source material. Peter Parker is a science nerd. Sort of like Tony Stark.
The original spiderman, peter parker, was a genius who made his own web fluid. The toby maguire version is the one that changed the origin of where the webbing comes from.
So fun fact, Spider-Man in the comics originally started with web shooters
yup... thats how I know him.. the Toby Mcguire thing was wierd to me but i grew to accept it. but im a REAL comic book fan.. even draw comics myself too.. well web toons
@@soramirez5473 I never knew Spider-Man even had web shooters, when I was introduced to Tobey and his was organic I just always thought it was like that, till I started to learn more about the character
@@AkaiAkuma_ Thats so wild to me lol.. I actually liked the Amazing spider man movies more cuz they seemed to follow the comics more.. Ive read ALOT of marvel back in the day.. not really lone characters but more of the universe story lines which featured all of the, avengers, spidey, x-men, fantastic 4, etc etc.. Tobey Mguire movies, were great.. well 1 and 2.. lol. i LOVED Green Goblin and Doc Ock.. sandman was kool. Eddie Brock was not.
@@AkaiAkuma_it makes more sense logically for him to have organic webs but the explanation in the comics was that they wanted him to make the web shooters to show his intelligence level
@@soramirez5473 Man don’t get me started on how Venom was done in Spider-Man 3💀
Tony: i dont trust a man without a dark side, call me old fashioned
Steve: well maybe u havnt seen it yet
In the MCU, both Sam/Falcon and Natasha/Black Widow aren't biologically enhanced, they're just humans with training and special gear. Tony and Rhodey too, but they're wearing full high-tech armored suits.
In the comics Black Widow received a Russian version of the super-soldier serum, but not in the MCU.
damn how many versions of it are there American/German version for Cap, German for Bucky, failed American for Baner and now there is Russian for Widow
For me, Natasha is definitely enhanced; the MCU just didn't know what to do with the character and made it inconsistent and bad-told to the viewers. In her movie, there is a quick shot of the blue serum; in the opening scene with little Natasha and Yelena, with all the quick edits and music, you can see the serum; she also took a slap from Hulk in Avenger's 2012; and in her film, she fell from a building and landed on her feet like nothing.
@@Ciffer-1998 Many….Captain America, Black Widow, Luke Cage, Taskmaster, Sentry, US Agents, Isiah Bradley, and a lot of other lesser known characters.
Hawkeye too
Also that’s specifically the reason I don’t like Falcon becoming the new Captain America… feel like it should definitely be Bucky
All those speculations during intro lol
36:47 Bucky's reaction to Peter stopping his arm this effortlessly is hilarious 😂
Even though was a bunch of Avengers in this movie, It's a captain America movie because Bucky is involved in it and the lengths that Steve goes through to help his best friend which also leads into the conflict with Tony.
I agree that Tony is allowed to be upset with finding out about his parents but actively trying to kill Bucky when he wasn't even in control of himself, meaning it wasn't really his fault. The fault is with Hydra, who programmed Bucky to be the winter soldier and ultimately their pawn so that's who Tony should really be after.
Tristan, you said that Bucky shouldn't have said that he remembered everyone he killed whilst he was the winter soldier but he said that with such a sad voice and with guilt, it's not like he was saying that to brag or anything plus Tony asked in the first place.
I hate that Tony brought Peter into a battlefield filled with adults, he's literally a teenager, a minor plus he didn't tell him the complete truth on why he was there in the first place especially because peter was in danger because of the Sokovia Accords if they found out Spidermans identity.
The reason Bucky is going into Cryofreeze is so the Wakandans can figure out how to get the trigger words from Hydra out of his head which is totally understandable when he said he's afraid of his own mind and doesn't want to cause anymore pain or hurt because everything that he did whilst he was the winter soldier clear affects him very much.
Despite what Zemo did to get his plan to work which included framing Bucky and triggering him into the winter soldier, I am very sympathetic towards Zemo because Tony created Ultron which created the destruction of Sokovia and in turn killing Zemos family. He had the smartest plan and he succeeded.
If you hate what Tony did here, you should see what he did to Peter in the comics.
You might understand more of the movie if 1) you stop guessing/wondering, and 2) stop cracking jokes over the dialogue. You miss a lot, then are confused about what's happening, then resort to "wondering" again.
Because they don't care as much as marvelites
Agreed, really liked their reactions but now they just joke and talk over everything
Hopefully they see this, was thinking the same thing. Glad I don’t have to type that out myself, it’s one of the most common plagues of reaction channels. For Fucks sake if what your gonna say is gonna take more than 5 seconds just pause it & unpause when your done talking.
No joke I tried watching a movie w my mom the other week & I was getting driven insane, her talking over the movie. Just went back up stairs & said Imll just let you watch it yourself💀😭 lmk what you think when it’s over. she didn’t mind at all, I see my mom everyday thankfully
You don’t have to watch, not everyone is a fanatic.
It’s their channel they’re free to do as they please if you don’t like it then watch someone else loser lmao!
Since everyone keeps posting that Spider-Man makes his web fluid, I'll just say that it's kind of an important piece of Spider-Man IMO, because it shows just how intelligent he is. Here's a fifteen year old kid who developed something on his own that impresses even Tony Stark, and doesn't exist in the world otherwise. In this movie, it's shown that he had web-shooters before Tony met Peter, so it's not a 'suit' thing. All the other powers, he has, which is why he can fight Steve one on one. Granted, he's a kid, so he's nowhere near the peak of his powers, but in the comics Spider-Man has punched someone's jaw off.
Zemo stands up as one of the compelling "villains". Losing your parents is nothing compared to your children and someone you truly love. That is a whole other level.
32:59 Spider-Man actually uses Web Shooter in the comics as well, created by himself. They hold web fluid cartridges that can turn out and need changing etc. The idea of Organic web shooters that fire from Spider-Man's body is solely unique to the Sam Rami Spider-Man films a left over from the James Cameron 90s Spider-Man script but was actually a last minute change for Spider-Man (2002) as they originally went for the Web Shooters from the comics but changed it last minute to Organic shooters, can find footage of Peter using the web shooter online.
Yeah Marvel were trying for years to get Spider-Man into the MCU. When Avengers (2012) came out they tired to feature Oscorp Tower from The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) in the background but this never happened. When Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) came out they tried to feature the Age of Ultron Avengers tower in the New York Skyline but from my understanding Sony was already nearly finished with the visual effects so this never happened. These two would've connected Andrew Garfield's Amazing Spider-Man films to the MCU so we would've had a origin story in those films and by the time of Civil War (2016) Peter would've been in College around 19 to 21 so he would've been older in this film if Andrew was Spider-Man
But instead a new Spider-Man was introduced that being Tom Holland a 15 year old making him the youngest live action Spider-Man funny enough, Both Toby and Andrews Peter Parkers were bitten at 17 instead of 15 like the comics. But in return the MCU kind of kick starts Spider-Man's journey by having Tony create Peter's first actual Spider-Man suit with all kind of gadgets and tech while also fighting alongside The Avengers. In the comics Peter does meet the Avengers when he's younger around 16 but he never takes part in big crossovers until his college years and it's not until his early 20s that the Comic's Civil War happens where Peter is also given a cool high tech Stark suit. So they pretty much brought Spider-Man into the world of the Avengers from the beginning in this film just a few months after being bitten.
Hear some Spider-Man facts. Spider-Man could never produce his webbing naturally that only occurs in the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man trilogy which was the easier choice by the director but by giving him organic webbing it takes away from Peter's creativity with him creating his web fluid then his web shooter. Just like Peter dumpster diving in this movie to fix or repurpose discarded electronics. Despite Peter being younger he was one of the toughest and people in the civil war battle. Peter skin is adorable as Kevlar. Strength wise Spider-Man is at least 10 times Captain America's max strength which gets stronger with every appearance and in this movie particularly Steve strength level was at 12 tons. Not to mention his reflexes and enhanced speed which are all tied to his spider Sense. Peter's spider Sense is an early warning to eminent and fatal attacks.
I like your input sir. I would have qualms with some of it
-- In CA2: Steve & Nat learned from Dr. Zola (computer brain) about Hydra's past - including that Hydra killed Howard & Maria Stark (and made it look like an accident). Steve & Nat elected not to tell Tony. The only part they didn't know was The Winter Soldier did the deed. Steve even said "I didn't know it was him (Bucky).
-- In Avengers 2: Thanos was responsible for the A.I causing the destruction. Tony only gave Ultron a name and personality because it absorbed his Ultron network..
-- As for Wanda - Civilians were all around the blast. She tried to contain the blast but couldn't do it forever. She sent the contained explosion into the air hoping to get it away from everyone before it broke containment. If the explosion stayed on the ground, even more people would have died.
Peggy was Poppin that thang the whole time he was on ice. So don't tie him down.
This movie shows the ever classic 'Freedom vs Safety' debate with the Accords discussion. History repeatedly showed us that if you sacrifice freedom for safety, you have neither.
Spider man originally uses web shooters in comics. But one thing that is special about him is the raw power he has. He can be compared to Cap, Black pantyee, etc and can easily take on them if he learns good combat tactics. As you can see here too at the airport fight he easily catches Bucky's punch like its nothing.
Saying he can be compared is wild to me. He’s way stronger than them. And he holds back. He can easily take with or without combat tactics.
@@jeremyrdlamaxima7052 yeah you're right actually. Also if you remember the sheer speed he yeets a piece of metal/concrete to bucky by saying "I think you lost this!" could have decapitated bucky if he did not dodge. Btw sorry for that horrendous black Panther typo🤣
@@debjoy9950 just edit it my guy no worries though. And yeah you're right about Spiderman. He's supposed to be way stronger than Bucky, captain America, tony stark (before infinity war version) and many more and we'll get there slowly in the MCU once we get Venom as his enemy.
The misinformation is real. Spider man is WAY stronger than Cap.
Listening to their pre-watching synopsis of what they expect made me chuckle and think "boy, are you guys in for a surprise."
Wanda didn’t make a mistake necessarily because it was a lose-lose situation. Im baffled that you didn’t make the assessment that this situation was like the trolley problem.
She could’ve let the people on the ground die, which would’ve killed alot of people at the Market or sacrifice a few in the building (possibly lessening the damage)since it blew up outside the building to save the majority!
Remember that in "Winter Soldier", Zola showed Cap archives confirming that Howard and Maria's death was not an accident. While he didn't have exact confirmation that Bucky killed them, he knew that Bucky had been coerced to carry out assassinations for HYDRA for decades and was definitely smart enough to put two and two together.
Tony's rage at the end is more about hurting Cap for the betrayal of keeping this from him. (Remember in "Age of Ultron" Cap reprimanded Tony for keeping things from him (i.e. creating Ultron), while Cap was keeping THIS from him.
It's never specified in any of the movies that Cap specifically knew it was Bucky that killed Tony's parents, but Steve knew that HYDRA was responsible for it (Computer brain Zola told him). My head canon is that what Steve was saying "yes" to was yes, he knew HYDRA killed them.
It's also possible that Steve put it together off-screen, but I'm not aware of anything that either confirms or denies it.
11:54 That’s the same guy who wanted to hunt down Bruce Banner and weaponize him.
Spider-Man usually makes the Web and Webshooter technology. It's actually unusual for any iteration to have the web come physically out of him, like in the Tobey Maguire Spidey films.
The reason why Abed is im Winter Soldier and the Dean in Civil War have cameos is because the directors The Russo Brothers directed many of the “Community” episodes
36:10 Yeah, that's the thing. Iron man was supposed to have a minor role as antagonist and it was supposed to be Cap's story. But Rdj refused to work on the movie until he got a bigger part comparable to the lead. Then the Marvel executives wanted to make Iron man more sympathetic and held trial screenings to determine which side people were choosing.
So the Russo brothers had to modify their movie until it was 50-50 among the viewers as to who would choose which side. The result of all of this was that Tony Stark's emotions and motivations were a LOT more explored than the title character's, who lines about the Accords and in general were cut because people obviously started to sympathise with Team Cap more if he was given his say. This results in avery skewed and confusing movie in the end where you cant't really follow what's going on unless you're paying attention and Cap is not given the opportunity to adequately explain his side of things.
I think it was the best decision ever made ! If it was Tony as antagonist then it wouldn't have felt right !
@@Tushar_995 Yeah, that's true, I wouldn't have liked Tony as full antagonist. But I would have liked to have Cap explain his side more fully. It seems rather skewed towards Tony's side in the scene where they're debating the Accords or at the airport.
"Little Tony" looks more like RDJ back in the 1980's.
We all knew Tony’s parents were assassinated. Remember Captain America: The Winter Soldier?
Arnim Zola says something along the lines of getting rid of threats through “unfortunate accidents” and Howard Stark’s photo was flashed on the screen. You guys missed it but yep. That’s how Cap knew about it.
Edit: And yeah, that means Natasha knew about it as well but kept her mouth shut too.
Peter Parker is one of the 'genius inventors' of Marvel (along with Tony Stark, and Hank Pym), and he invented the webbing as a high school student.
You left out Bruce Banner
@@RobGamesOn And Reed Richards.
idk how people keep forgetting that we were literakky shown that Steve knew about tony's parents from the Winter Soldier
It flashed briefly on the screen for literally one second, wasn't dwelt upon or commented on further, in the middle of a large exposition dump in another movie altogether. I doubt very many people who had only seen that once retained it either.
Doesn't change the fact tony is the most egomaniac twisted character lol
Spider-Man in the comics always made his own web. It was only Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movies that introduced the organic webs. His power-set is more accurate here (and in The Amazing Spider-Man). He still has his powers without the suit.
One of my favs. Great movie. Also, again, suggesting Black Widow (minus the end credits scene; don't watch that until after Endgame) next.
Actually there is one other Spiderman with organic webs. Miguel O'Hara.
@@havok6280 Spider-Man as in 616 Peter Parker and the media based off of him.
There are other Spiders with organic webs, sure.
@@MiamiJamrockSpice actually Miguel and Tobey are the only two. Everyone else uses web shooters.
@@havok6280 No. There are others like Silk, Man Spider, Spiders-Man, Aña Corazon, any Symbiote Spider, Peter Porker, etc.
@gc5763 none of the characters you named are Spider-Man. In the case of the symbiote, it's the symbiote that produces the webbing not the host.
I stand by my statement that Miguel and Toby are the only version of Spider-Man that produce organic webs.
i zoomed in as much as i could but is my man double wrist watchin it? lmao bold choice, i dig it.
44:22 You guys are not paying attention are you? Arnim Zola revealed an entire "Accidents happen" scene in the winter soldier 😢😢
i love how nat was thinking deep during tony and cap's debate about the introduction of the accords then deliberately sided with tony just in case cap might need some help eventually that only a "double agent" could do. like, she wasn't afraid to be that as she was that loyal to her friendship with cap
fun fact Tony's jokes and stuff about aunt May isnt without a reason so the reason is RDJ was dating Marisa Tomei i the early 2000s i bellive or late 90s or both
The natural webbing of Spider-Man was actually just Tobey Maguire's thing. Its not spider-man's superpower. All Spider-man versions use web shooters with artificial webs. I mean one time Peter had natural webbing in the comics, but it was... Uh u know what, never mind, its naughty and complicated story... :)
One of my favorite movies ever. Wrote an essay on it in college. A nearly perfect CBM.
The intelligent villain that got the Avengers to fight each other is “Baron Zemo”.
Rumlow’s villain name is “Crossbones”.
It's not like Steve was sitting on the secret for years. Either Bucky told him or he found out while researching Bucky's actions. Steve would have told Tony when he resolved himself and do it as gently as possible not with all hell breaking loose.
you guys are gonna learn why Hulk and Thor are not this in movie when you watch the next films 😂
In the comics, the Falcon had a trained hawk named Redwing... who is a drone here. Also in the comics, Sharon was originally Peggy's sister, then got retconned as Peggy's niece.
Hearing you refer to the Organic Webbing "I prefer the Original" made me feel sick to my stomach for a split second. I love the Tobey Maguire movies as well, but I always forget that they corrupted most people's idea of how his webs should work.
I know exactly how they should work. I still prefer the organic webs. Web shooters just feels odd considering his other powers.
This was one of my favorite marvel movie...... and Zemo is one of my favorite villains.... no powers pure genius and will ..... awesome reaction guys❤
For me the Best part of the movie is Spidey Entrance .. 😊
It's an amazing movie, and beautifully executed, but it is the MCU movie that I am least drawn to re-watch because of how tragic it all is. It's just... hard to really see everyone torn apart like that.
In the comics spider man always had mechanical web shooters but in Toby’s movie rami just thought it made more sense to have it added to his powers. In fact Toby was also supposed to have mechanical web shooter originally that you can see in one his first teaser trailer
You're right Tristan, it's Tony's fault. He should never be involved in what happened in Sokovia... and just let Ultron destroy all life on the planet. That would have been better.
Captain America is the greatest superhero and greatest character in Marvel.
Yes love it and always on Caps side
Roadie paralyzed and the phone call Tony got at the end are important to remember and will eventually connect down the line.
This IS the original Spiderman. The character in the comics was a 14 year old kid (or so)That was a genius. He created his own web shooters and web formula. The possibility of them running out was part of the tension. Tobey Maguire's Spiderman as good as he is was the aberration and there were many Spiderman purists that hated the natural body webs. It was a complete rewrite of the character. Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield's web shooters brought it back to the true Spiderman lore. I liked Tobey but I too hated the natural web.
Never thought ab this before but Tony is just as responsible as anyone for Rhodes paralysis. If he wouldn’t have dickrode & hopped on the sokovia accords so fast, Rhodes wouldn’t have ever been in that fight. Mostly Rhodes & vision are to blame, Rhodes wanted vision to shoot out sams propulsion, turning him into a glider, 1,000,000% risking sams life. Sam dodged & Rhodes received exactly what he wanted vision to do to Sam. Felt bad for him until I made that realization just now, that’s bully shit, doing to others what you yourself can’t handle. I’d almost say he deserved it now but still love rhodes
And Tony is directly responsible for the people who died in Sokovia and one of the reasons why we're here. He's literally the one that created Ultron after being warned not to. That's why he felt so much guilt here. Of course he did it to save lives but if he didn't create Ultron, lots of innocent people that died in Sokovia will still be alive. It's that simple. Charles's mother might not know he created Ultron but she was certainly barking at the right tree by blaming him
Yess I couldn’t wait for you guys to watch this
What I like about civil war is that although all mostly all heros are there.. It's still a captain America movie and you can feel that. Captain and bucky are mostly in the center.
Im team tony cause i like him more
In the previous Captain America movie The Winter Soldier, the Arnim Zola AI show the news paper article about Howard Stark's death and said accidents happen, essentially letting Captain America and Black Widow know that Tony's parents were assassinated by Hydra. That's how Captain America knew.
32:58 The Tobey trilogy where his webs are organic is actually the unusual variation. For decades whilst the comics were coming out Spider-Man's webs have always come from a mechanical device on his wrist, but since the Tobey trilogy was the first real adaptation and it was done so well most people think that is 'the norm'.
About Spider-Man’s webs, in the vast majority of the comics Spider-Man doesn’t develop the webs naturally, he develops what he calls web shooters. His natural powers from the spider bite allow him to stick to walls and gives him great strength and spider senses as well as lightning fast reflexes.
Not sure if you guys know this, but Chadwick Boseman died of cancer a few years ago. He was helped in his career by Denzel. Inspiring and terribly sad story. he was great as Black Panther.
This movie is a great analogy for current Civil War tensions. It can start as a war of ideologies. Both sides may be right in their own context but fail to see the potential for good the other can offer...or the staging for tragedy when either is implemented in the strictest sense. For some reason we can't find balance. Each side feels they need to take a little more but also give no ground. As the tensions rise, eventually it morphs into something personal and unreasonable. We stop seeing each other as people. We only see enemies. Then any real enemies need only poke and prod us to destroy ourselves. Secular vs Religious, Religion vs Religion, Conservative vs Liberal, Safety vs Freedom, Heteronormative vs LGBTQ+Allies, White vs POC, Rich vs Poor, Native vs Immigrant.
If Anyone points to a whole generalized demographic of human beings and dehumanizes them as something to be feared, hated, and/or eliminated then they have...
At Best, completely lost track of what they were fighting for to begin with or,
At Worst, preying on people's emotions for their own profit, power, or just to see it all burn.
The dean is present because most of early community was directed by the russo brothers (as well as early arrested development, look out for the stair car in the airport fight). Watch out for other community cast members in other movies. (endgame mostly)
You people should really watch THE AMAZING SPIDERMAN 1&2 coz only bcoz of director sam raimi of Tobey spiderman ..the web Comes out of wrist..normally spiderman have webshooters for shooting webs it doesn't comes out of wrist..it's only for Tobey maguire's Spiderman
General/Secretary Ross is wrong in everything he does. He's an idiot and a hypocrite. Does he ever have to answer for what he did in Brazil and on that college campus? For creating the Abomination? At least the Avengers actually succeeded in their missions, but Ross caused all that damage and those casualties and still failed.
Ross is the longest-running villain in the MCU.
12:39 it was a no win situation for Wanda. Either innocents on the ground died or the ones in the building died. The bomb was going not sure which location would’ve been fewer casualties. 15:43 it’s so weird that they have Captain America against the government oversight and Tony for it. It seems like it should be the other way around.
33:00 cprrect, the webs come from his web shooters. The Tobey Maguire version with organic webs may be the one you are familiar with, but that is not how Spiderman's powers work in the comics. The director(Sam Raimi) just went a different route with it. So yes, web shooters are the default for Spiderman. He makes the fluid via chemical reactions and loads them into pressurized chambers
Captain America 🐐
That eulogy is actually a riff from a quote from Mark Twain
Also rip Chadwick
During Captain America Winter soldier when they were in the bunker talking to the guy from the first Captain America in the computer they showed that the Winter soldier had killed Tony Stark's parents. But the scene happened so fast. You don't really realize that you was just sorry. If you go back and watch this scene when all the images are flashing you'll see that that's when Captain America found out
27:21 Lol If I was Bucky I’d just screaming “LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!” at the top of my lungs, hoping it’s enough to drown out whatever he’s saying until help (Cap) arrives.
This is a top 5 marvel movie!!!😂😅
36:11 Yeah I completely agree… I feel a lot of this could’ve been avoided had Cap been better about full explaining why’s he’s doing what he’s doing
Well, you can’t blame Steve for not telling Toni about his parents over protecting Bucky, who is literally a childhood friend and the person he has from his time period. I absolutely respect him for protecting his friend in this situation.I mean, clearly someone else knew the truth and didn’t tell Toni either.