I know I'm late to the party, but I was waiting for this video! I wanted to say something about Ford's exhaust break system for towing when you made the previous video visiting the dealerships test driving the Dodge Ram vs the Ford...but I wanted to wait until you made a video of you actually towing with a Ford. True, I do favor Dodge products, "Even though I was raised in a Chevy family" but I like all badges, and in the end was not surprised by your conclusion. In all honesty...I know people are asking for you to review a Chevy or GMC but hear me out. Ford is about to release their F600! this July apparently. Basically an F-650 but with the pickup cab and front end, without having to run the oversized medium duty body. Best yet, it comes with a 4x4 option, High output allegedly, and the 10 speed!! If you can gets your hands on an F600 to test it would be awesome to see, because no one is talking about it! Not even Fast Lane Truck is covering it or evening mentioning it, and right now there's only 1 RUclips video of a running example of an F600 and it's just the 7.3 gas. Overall it sounds like a review thats easy pickens/up for grabs, and would be really cool if you could beat FLT to the punch. Anyway, sorry for the long comment. Really enjoyed this one, and loved the collab you did. Keep it up, and looking forward to what's next.
@@johntron1237 Those new fords are sexy as hell (box is ugly) but ford lies to an insane degree when showing power numbers. Heres a vid I saved a while back that shows just how bad chevy and Ford lies. Chevies the worst at lying. They all lie in different scenarios, but Cummins is known for actually having more power than they advertise in certain engines. ruclips.net/video/emJcrYuJArg/видео.html
Oh ya I love the 18 speeds we have at work I don’t use ever gear all the time but dam having the right gear going up grades is very nice to have when your 120k gross 😂
@@IManOPERATOR Your voice of experience, much like axle lockers that people don't understand have a purpose and they are not for ramming yourself in in reverse so you can't get yourself out.
We haul coal in ky, 600 horse cats and Cummins 52 Rockwell's and 18 cogs baby and you'll use every gear all day, up and down windy steep nasty roads grossing 210k. Love it. Spring and Chalmers set up. Tanks
@@ranchertrapperdieselbuilds3632 that’s just bad ass lol. Most I’ve bailed on the daily is about 120k but I only had a 400 horse x15 cummins with a 13 speed would have been nice to have a few more gears
Diehard ram guy here and I've told my wife many time over the past few years "I'd drive the shit out of one of those powerstrokes". They really are awesome trucks.
In aviation circles there's a saying "The takeoff is optional, but the landing is MANDATORY". It's not an issue of being able to pull a heavy load, you have to be able to control the vehicle, including stopping while doing so. Great review.
Hi mate, just a quick point on engine brakes, i have 47 yrs experience in large trucks, and regardless of horse power different brand motors all retard differently. Cummins has always been strong, then GM,mack and caterpillar. The point is that Cummins will hold you at 45mph on a hill whereas mack might have to go down the hill at 40mph, cat at 38mph,etc. Also the gear ratio of the gear you are in will be slightly different as well. Perhaps if you came off the hill at 35 instead of 40mph could have been the difference between touching the service brakes or not. Also sometimes engine brakes work better with slightly less revs. A 2nd go down the hill at a lower starting speed would have been good, and might have surprised you. Keep on Truckin. Cheers from Digby in Perth western Australia
I subscribe to Alex...i honestly freaked when he switched to Ford but now that he's on his second one I'm pretty impressed. With the EPA cracking down I think the Cummins longevity advantage might go away...so it may mean the Ram, Ford and Chevy are all only going to last 250-300K if you're lucky. I honestly am confused as to why Ram doesn't switch to an Aisin or ZF 10 spd gearbox. Anyway Bad Cherry...im stoked you and Alex got to do a video..and he's an awesome dude to swing buy and let you do a test drive the way you needed to.
Sam...F450 has bigger brakes, bigger rear axle shaft and lower gears. Also, the dodge video that took zero brake applications...not true. They said with the button they pushed the truck applies the brakes for you in order to hold the speed. You don't have to hit the brake pedal, but the brakes are still being applied.
Garage Geek I have a 2019 ram 1500 when the cruise control is in the truck will apply the brakes to hold set speed. You can verify by setting the info screen to the electric brake screen and you can see how much brake is applied. So in my opinion TFL messed up when testing the ram going down hill. The truck was absolutely applying the brake in it’s own.
I see you were using the exhaust brake in AUTO mode which tries to keep the speed at what mph you let your foot off the brake at ( example, down hill at 55 mph and you slow the truck down to 45 mph and let off the brake, then it will try to hold that speed). If you use the exhaust brake is in normal mode then it will work like your 08 dodge does. in order to use the exhaust brake just hit the button once for NORMAL and twice for AUTO which you see the exhaust brake symbol on the dash with an A for auto. Big Truck Big RV has a video on it explaining it along with TFL Truck at the same Ford event.
@@VBELTandSON I will say that mine works pretty well with the horse trailer but.. some parts did "fall off". Never tried a before & after so I can't confirm that. Good video though!
Total bullshit, being the same. Have seen multiple videos using both modes one is much better than the other. Many people have compared it to the dodge being just as good. Do you guys not understand the system?
I had a 2015 Ford F-350 and now I'm in a 2020 RAM 3500. Yes, the exhaust brake is much better in the RAM but I always made it down all the big hills in the Ford with very few brake applications.
Good to see someone being honest in the comparisons as a mechanic and a Ford fan it would of been interesting to see if you could of bought your super duty with the 6.7L or Cummins and the 10 speed. I have to agree that in stock tune the engine brake is weak but just putting a small tow tune on the Ford really wakes up the engine brake. In our area their is a lot of companies that use super duty for their work trucks and most agree engine brake from stock should be better. I think if you had a chance with trying a super duty with a tow tune that wakes up the engine brake you might have a different opinion. No matter it was another great video look forward to more.
Have seen many tests on the new exhaust brake, seems like it performs just like rams from the videos. Must be gearing, load? Ford made changes in it. Looks like it holds speed just fine. Someone has no idea how to operate things im guessing.
john T what’s so hard about flipping a switch and letting off the throttle? You tow 29k down that grade and tell me how good it works. I’ve gone up and down that exact grade in my truck and you’ll bury your foot to the ground to hold 60mph going up that.
I own a 2020 f-350 and agree on the engine brake being lame. I learned that putting it in manual downhill helps alot! I have been on passes through the west coast and the Rockies. Thanks for the vid!
A F450 or F550 would be alot better for your application. I tow heavy often with my 09 F450 (32000-37500) combined and there is really no comparison to a F350. The service brakes are huge in comparison and the Axle ratio is a game changer.
Thank you guys very much. I was thinking about the same as you,(looking at Ford). But with the engine brake being so good on my Ram 3500 I have to stay right now with my Ram. Your doing a real service for us brother. BAD CHERRY.
YEEEEES!!! I have been looking forward to this video. Eager to see what your reaction is on it. Perfect lunch break haha Ahhh tow piglet, Nice!!! Im just going to keep updating this comment as the video goes haha Thanks for the good review! Bad Cherry ;)
Bad cherry. I was here back when you had a few thousand subs and I was one of them. Glad to see you’ve grown. Alex seems cool but his videos are obnoxious and cheesy way too much theatrics for me and just rubs me wrong like a dishonest used car salesmen so I can’t believe anything he says. But you are more of a mans man with your video and I appreciate that and take what you say with much more than a grain of salt. Just picked up a Texas pride 40ft goose and tow it with a 2015 f350 fx4 with airbags and I agree the exhaust break sucks big time and I won’t upgrade till they can compete with rams. I17 north heading up to flagstaff from Phoenix is one of the toughest hills I’ve ever driven and with a 20k load I’d be lucky to hit 34 miles per hour I’m thinking with a 30k load id be at 15 or less. Those hills are true proving grounds for any badge. Thanks for the videos keep them coming
I’m down with this video. I like Tow Piglet, he is brutally honest. When he fucks up he shares it with the world, so others don’t make the same mistake. He genuinely wants to help others scratch out a living.
It's a combination of exhaust break and transmission. Even my 2019 Volvo VNL I have to downshift going down steep enough grades with a load on it. Of course truck, crane and steel step-deck trailer scales out at about 39,500 to 40,000 empty at steel warehouse in Chicago.
Hey, both guys are on the top of my subscribed list, Awesome content! *CDL Loads = 450/5500, just the final drive ratio will help to slow ya down. My opinion is to put the Ram exhaust brake on the Ford rather than the Ford Trany on the Ram. Besides I think there is more than a common bolt pattern that gets an automatic transmission/engine pair to work well. Don’t sweat the Ford Trans Temp. I have a MB Sprinter that runs at Temps that would get you to call 911 and its normal. Hoping Ford and Ram are watching your important content and reading some of these comments, I would like to add that both Ram & especially Ford need to go with a tilt (F-650 style) front hood, one should be able to see the engine without pulling the cab. Thanks Guys, please keep it coming!
Tow Piglet!!!! HELL YEAH BROTHER! You gonna convince him in a Diamond C? BAD CHERRY. If Dodge goes with a 10 Speed, hope they do not de-rate the engine.
check out Danger Industries channel. He only uses fords up in canada. Because they hold up better. He's buying a 2020 F540. He routinely tows 12 percent grade, 30k plus load. And makes a paddle shifter for the fords.
Bad Cherry. That was a great comparison video. I agree with your view point. If someone is primarily towing in hills and mountains. A good EB is essential. You feel safer, and more confident. You're not wearing out your truck, or trailer brakes as much. Replacing breaks more often, is an unnecessary added expense. I've driven a 2018 Ram 5500 with a 40ft gooseneck, loaded over 35k, all over Wyoming. That EB makes all the difference.
The 10 speed transmission in the Ford learns how you drive and tries to match it depending on your driving habits. So if it acts weird thats why because it's still learning.
Bad cherry. On my 350 if I have the cruise set I never have to touch service brakes going down hill. Liked the video. I bought a 40 foot air ride, 25k diamond c after I saw your trailer comparison with the hydraulic dove tail and jacks. Absolutely love it.
You need to test the F-450. The lower rearend ratio will help uphill and hold a lower speed downhill at the same engine rpm. Also, you said in an earlier video length/turning radius is improtant, the 450 widetrack axle turns significantly sharper than the 350.
The f-550 vs the ram 5500 would be a great showdown. If you were comparing your 08 to a 2020 you should compare a 5500 to a 550 for sure. I'm sure the exhaust brake on the 550 would be better. Bad Cherry haha
Told you😂. And reliability of 6months of highway running isn't something to compare to. Truck/engine/trans won't last year's and years doing the work you do.
So....exhaust brake is worth what you’d save in fuel? I don’t think servicing your brakes a few additional times would eat up the fuel savings you’d experience.
V-BELT and SON lol only that’s not the case. Ford has an exhaust brake as well as Ram and you only have to apply the brakes a couple extra times on the ford at max load max hill lol you act like 15 years ago they all had exhaust brakes and Ford has nothing for exhaust braking when in fact they both do and there’s not nearly enough difference to cause any extra danger and we all know that lol
Alex Kunze they do I figured that it might have done slightly better if it was on full on. I know it’s still not as good as the Cummins I had one my deleted and tuned does much better than stock
Big Tex and diamond C same trailer? Yeah right. This video is hard to watch with Alex in it. I’ve tried and tried to watch his stuff, but I never make it past 5 minutes.
Ford and Cummins are by far the best 2. I have a f550 7.3 and f250 6.7. Drove serval Cummings but I do love my fords other than no engine brake. (Bad cheery)
21Jun20' Really enjoy your videos Sam. I've always wanted to do this business but it take 500k if a guy went with a Lamtrac LTR6140T Compact Track Loader Forestry Mulcher. Apologies for big print. How much does insurance cost you overall? Noone talks about hidden costs as that. Wish I could work with you, as were allot alike. But California is a long ways. Thanks Ty
Bad 🍒... interesting that the 475 hp didn’t make as much of a difference on that one uphill doing basically what the 08 does. The ford interiors are definitely superior for someone who works out of their vehicle, from a mechanics standpoint I just hate working on the engines everything is so difficult to get to and work on. Great video though! I like the comparison
I know I’m late to the party but for that kind of money and weight for a pickup, why wouldn’t you go get a little single axle day cab and be done with it?
I’ve seen a few 7.3 Powerjokes with the manual split. Definitely find this an interesting concept, I’d be all for it. My mechanical knowledge is admittedly limited, but I can definitely see the benefits of a high and low range for each gear, I feel like it would reduce, “running out of gear,” or not having enough gear to wind out.
@@nolanshockley7674 i had a1985 f350 with the7.3 with 5 sp. 4x4 ibought 600 dollars would not keep a starter or flywheel drove it two years and sold it for tweentyfive hundred bucks
BAD BAD CHERRY... lol. So I'm pulling 18K with my 05 6.0 with all Bulletproof and headstuds and pulls nice n cool no prob. But that tow/haul exhaust brake definitely doesn't work as good as it should... Not much has changed in 15 yrs... Definitely everyone needs to assess their situation as to towing loads that bump the upper limits of these small diesels... At some point it just makes sense to bite the bullet and buy at least a 10 wheel dump that can handle a bigger trailer and load and then just not worrying about it. Save the small loads for the small diesels
How about adding this? www.xtremediesel.com/afe-77-63003-brakelogic-exhaust-brake-controller The BRAKELOGIC module creates up to 130 retarding horsepower and up to 70psi of exhaust back pressure.
Bad cherry I don’t know how you get better fuel mileage running two extra cylinders I have a 2020 ram HO pulling 38,000 pounds and I’m still getting 16 L per hundred and I don’t have to rev 3500 to 4000 RPM look under the hood Sam you’ll notice a lot of plastic on the Ford specially where the rad is there are no hose clamps it’s all plastic that’s another thing to look at hot and cold plastic will wear out don’t get me wrong ford a good truck but I’ve been ram boy for the last 30 years too much plastic on the Ford under the hood I’ll stick with my Cummins
I have a 2015 ford f350 single and it has made me a ford believer. Ya you dont notice the exhaust brake like on the other brands BUT it does work. I have a stock trailer 27 foot a flatbed 27 foot and dump trailer 14 foot bed all gooseneck trailers. Truck is stock and it get the job dun. 👍🏻 great video loved the test.
It is fanatic that you and TP put a video together. Sorry it's still a ford power stroke, will always go with the Cummings. If ford put a Cummings in theirs maybe. Next try the new Chevy or International, they have partnered on the new truck. TP needs to look at the Diamond C instead of the what he keeps buying. Bad cherry!
i agree about the ram shift points they are dumb and i know a few techs at dodge and they said there is a reason the transmissions shift like that but its still stupid dodge would have a nice package if they would just get their transmissions to shift correctly my 04 2500 5.9 cummins and my 03 1500 5.7 hemi both shift like that and its dumb for sure ..
If you don’t like the comfort and control of a good exhaust brake get the ford. The most stock hp is not the most important thing to me. Much prefer a controlled down hill game
@@VBELTandSON I love a good exhaust brake and through the mountains they are irreplaceable! But they don't correct for driver error I have seen two trucks take the bailout ramp and both passed me coming down the mountain, ya dig?
Awesome videos. Since you have tested Ram and Ford, you should try to get a GM and try the same load up the same hills. Even if your not a GM fan, I imagine it would be good for views. Keep up the awesome vids! Bad Cherry!
i am sorry if i affended anyone . i am 53 years old i have had jobs in logging ,salvage , welding , wrecking yards , garbage industry . ihave only had 5 personal vehicles i owned and normally i had more agressive trucks than my employer . three where ford f 350+ two chevy's 1 dodge that my neighbor loaned me when my chevy 3500 caught fire . my 69 still runs great but so does the dodge . thanx for listening to an old man ;
V-BELT and SON Are you considering all the transmission shifting and tuning issues and 2019 Cummins burning oil and all that that PD Diesel and others are having? Those issues aren’t deal breakers and pushing the brake a couple extra times on a downhill is??? Seems a little iffy to me considering the extra power and fuel mileage and no transmission shifting issues or burning oil to boot but each to his own 😄
By the way u saying 24 valve is a joke my old ass 1996 mustang v8 has 24 valve but u don’t hear me saying I’m back in my 24 valve I say I’m back in my v8 .
Note the the new 10 speed automatic is stamped with allison brand but it not a true Allison. It not even made by the company manufacturer that makes allison . The new 10 speed transmission is good that what i heard but i also heard it dose not hold up like most heavy duty ford trucks with a real allison 1000 series keep that in mine man and keep that Grandma project truck up
The video that everyone was waiting for. Awesome... it want that bad, it was good bc I learn something new: for work towing, hill power Dodge. For towing 4 wheels, horse trailer, camper, a tractor at the ranch Ford
Speaking of cherries..I just got some of y'all s California grown cherries waaay down yonder in East Central fl... Y'all do a few things pretty good (from pt. Conception North) 🤘
J Bandit lol yes but both having great downhill control but pushing the brake a couple extra times on 1 vs the other is definitely not a logical deal breaker especially when the rest of the truck is ahead of Ram by a good margin 😄
Kinda Funny Ford has Ram smoked on everything tow related (Power Torque Transmission, shifting tuning) except u gotta push that brake a couple more times on a steep incline at extreme max load and a Ram guy goes oh I’ll deal with crappy shifting lower quality transmission brand new engine that burns oil and worse fuel mileage cause it’s definitely a deal breaker to push that brake a couple times extra on max hill max load lol but each to his own just think it’s kinda ironic😁especially since a lot of Ram guys go to a bigger non VGT turbo and lose exhaust brake entirely 😉Exhaust braking has everything to do with Variable Geometry Turbos
Steve Arrington Not anymore. Ford definitely gets better fuel mileage than Ram in 2020 and the updated 2019 Ram gets worse fuel mileage than the 4th gens did from what I’ve been seeing
I know I'm late to the party, but I was waiting for this video! I wanted to say something about Ford's exhaust break system for towing when you made the previous video visiting the dealerships test driving the Dodge Ram vs the Ford...but I wanted to wait until you made a video of you actually towing with a Ford. True, I do favor Dodge products, "Even though I was raised in a Chevy family" but I like all badges, and in the end was not surprised by your conclusion.
In all honesty...I know people are asking for you to review a Chevy or GMC but hear me out. Ford is about to release their F600! this July apparently. Basically an F-650 but with the pickup cab and front end, without having to run the oversized medium duty body. Best yet, it comes with a 4x4 option, High output allegedly, and the 10 speed!! If you can gets your hands on an F600 to test it would be awesome to see, because no one is talking about it! Not even Fast Lane Truck is covering it or evening mentioning it, and right now there's only 1 RUclips video of a running example of an F600 and it's just the 7.3 gas. Overall it sounds like a review thats easy pickens/up for grabs, and would be really cool if you could beat FLT to the punch.
Anyway, sorry for the long comment. Really enjoyed this one, and loved the collab you did. Keep it up, and looking forward to what's next.
I mean that’s a stock 350 that’s equal to or slightly better than a modded 5500. Pretty impressive
A 2020 compared to a 08 tho
@@kevanschafer3692 08 modified engine
Comparing a brand new p stroke to a 12 year old dodge and the dodge doing better overall is absolutely impressive, for the dodge.
@@whateveryousaygroomer131 that brand new power stroke is also even beating the newer 2020 Cummins not just the old ones
@@johntron1237 Those new fords are sexy as hell (box is ugly) but ford lies to an insane degree when showing power numbers. Heres a vid I saved a while back that shows just how bad chevy and Ford lies. Chevies the worst at lying. They all lie in different scenarios, but Cummins is known for actually having more power than they advertise in certain engines.
ruclips.net/video/emJcrYuJArg/видео.html
Need that new 18 speed ram 3500 😂 just start swapping eaton fullers in these trucks and call it a day
Oh ya I love the 18 speeds we have at work I don’t use ever gear all the time but dam having the right gear going up grades is very nice to have when your 120k gross 😂
@@IManOPERATOR Your voice of experience, much like axle lockers that people don't understand have a purpose and they are not for ramming yourself in in reverse so you can't get yourself out.
We haul coal in ky, 600 horse cats and Cummins 52 Rockwell's and 18 cogs baby and you'll use every gear all day, up and down windy steep nasty roads grossing 210k. Love it. Spring and Chalmers set up. Tanks
@@ranchertrapperdieselbuilds3632 that’s just bad ass lol. Most I’ve bailed on the daily is about 120k but I only had a 400 horse x15 cummins with a 13 speed would have been nice to have a few more gears
I set my trailer brakes on 5.5 with engine brake on also in tow haul mode stops on a dime 2018 f550 towing 30,000 all day long
I've got a 2017 F550 but never towed much more than 15k. 30k lbs sounds like a whole lot of weight. What kind of trailer are you using ?
Diehard ram guy here and I've told my wife many time over the past few years "I'd drive the shit out of one of those powerstrokes". They really are awesome trucks.
In aviation circles there's a saying "The takeoff is optional, but the landing is MANDATORY". It's not an issue of being able to pull a heavy load, you have to be able to control the vehicle, including stopping while doing so. Great review.
Hi mate, just a quick point on engine brakes, i have 47 yrs experience in large trucks, and regardless of horse power different brand motors all retard differently. Cummins has always been strong, then GM,mack and caterpillar. The point is that Cummins will hold you at 45mph on a hill whereas mack might have to go down the hill at 40mph, cat at 38mph,etc. Also the gear ratio of the gear you are in will be slightly different as well. Perhaps if you came off the hill at 35 instead of 40mph could have been the difference between touching the service brakes or not. Also sometimes engine brakes work better with slightly less revs.
A 2nd go down the hill at a lower starting speed would have been good, and might have surprised you. Keep on Truckin. Cheers from Digby in Perth western Australia
I subscribe to Alex...i honestly freaked when he switched to Ford but now that he's on his second one I'm pretty impressed. With the EPA cracking down I think the Cummins longevity advantage might go away...so it may mean the Ram, Ford and Chevy are all only going to last 250-300K if you're lucky. I honestly am confused as to why Ram doesn't switch to an Aisin or ZF 10 spd gearbox. Anyway Bad Cherry...im stoked you and Alex got to do a video..and he's an awesome dude to swing buy and let you do a test drive the way you needed to.
Sam...F450 has bigger brakes, bigger rear axle shaft and lower gears. Also, the dodge video that took zero brake applications...not true. They said with the button they pushed the truck applies the brakes for you in order to hold the speed. You don't have to hit the brake pedal, but the brakes are still being applied.
And you believe the story of the magic button?
I own a 2019 Ram and this is not true.
Garage Geek I have a 2019 ram 1500 when the cruise control is in the truck will apply the brakes to hold set speed. You can verify by setting the info screen to the electric brake screen and you can see how much brake is applied. So in my opinion TFL messed up when testing the ram going down hill. The truck was absolutely applying the brake in it’s own.
Just buy the Ford you wont regret it
Try pulling with a f450. I hear it turned on a dime.
They do
John M braking and turning are pretty different 😂
the f450's have the wide track front end, which allows them to have a tighter turning radius
F350 brakes suck. The 450 and 550 brakes are double the size
John M church and f550 turn on a dime also
When you turn on tow haul on push button twice. Second time has more draw back.
I run F450’s Tows better with gear ratio
I see you were using the exhaust brake in AUTO mode which tries to keep the speed at what mph you let your foot off the brake at ( example, down hill at 55 mph and you slow the truck down to 45 mph and let off the brake, then it will try to hold that speed). If you use the exhaust brake is in normal mode then it will work like your 08 dodge does. in order to use the exhaust brake just hit the button once for NORMAL and twice for AUTO which you see the exhaust brake symbol on the dash with an A for auto. Big Truck Big RV has a video on it explaining it along with TFL Truck at the same Ford event.
We tried it in both auto and regular. They felt the same
@@VBELTandSON I will say that mine works pretty well with the horse trailer but.. some parts did "fall off". Never tried a before & after so I can't confirm that. Good video though!
Total bullshit, being the same. Have seen multiple videos using both modes one is much better than the other. Many people have compared it to the dodge being just as good. Do you guys not understand the system?
I said this on instagram but dang I can believe two of my favorite RUclipsrs are collaborating
Really cool of tow piglet to do this, awesome!
I had a 2015 Ford F-350 and now I'm in a 2020 RAM 3500. Yes, the exhaust brake is much better in the RAM but I always made it down all the big hills in the Ford with very few brake applications.
Good to see someone being honest in the comparisons as a mechanic and a Ford fan it would of been interesting to see if you could of bought your super duty with the 6.7L or Cummins and the 10 speed. I have to agree that in stock tune the engine brake is weak but just putting a small tow tune on the Ford really wakes up the engine brake. In our area their is a lot of companies that use super duty for their work trucks and most agree engine brake from stock should be better. I think if you had a chance with trying a super duty with a tow tune that wakes up the engine brake you might have a different opinion. No matter it was another great video look forward to more.
I wish I was nearby id let you borrow my 2020 450 platinum to do this same test! The engine braking works the best out of all the trucks I've had.
Test the f450 since it has a 4:30 rear end does make a difference on the exhaust brake
But then the mpg will drop
It’s basically the same ratio because you’re running a taller tire
If you're at almost redline coming down a hill, it doesn't matter if you have 4.30's and in 5th, or 3.73's and in 3rd.
Have seen many tests on the new exhaust brake, seems like it performs just like rams from the videos. Must be gearing, load? Ford made changes in it. Looks like it holds speed just fine. Someone has no idea how to operate things im guessing.
john T what’s so hard about flipping a switch and letting off the throttle? You tow 29k down that grade and tell me how good it works. I’ve gone up and down that exact grade in my truck and you’ll bury your foot to the ground to hold 60mph going up that.
I own a 2020 f-350 and agree on the engine brake being lame. I learned that putting it in manual downhill helps alot! I have been on passes through the west coast and the Rockies. Thanks for the vid!
Run a 450/550 6.7 up that hill. Double tap the tow haul mode and it'll make the engine brake more aggressive.
I chose Ram because control going down is more important than speed going up.
And the MOST important, RELIABILITY!
@@Mr.Beastforpresident Nothing is reliable anymore. 😄😰
A F450 or F550 would be alot better for your application. I tow heavy often with my 09 F450 (32000-37500) combined and there is really no comparison to a F350. The service brakes are huge in comparison and the Axle ratio is a game changer.
Put a Jake brake on that ford Like you did with your Dodge
Exhaust brake not jake
Did you hit the button for the exhaust brack its in the middle above the radio
Bad Cherry, funniest reply on deck space “6inches is almost like a foot”.
Bad cherry, and I drive a 2019 Chevy and tow about 38 max weight. My truck does have a weight reduction done. Love it.
Thank you guys very much. I was thinking about the same as you,(looking at Ford).
But with the engine brake being so good on my Ram 3500 I have to stay right now with my Ram. Your doing a real service for us brother. BAD CHERRY.
YEEEEES!!! I have been looking forward to this video. Eager to see what your reaction is on it. Perfect lunch break haha
Ahhh tow piglet, Nice!!! Im just going to keep updating this comment as the video goes haha
Thanks for the good review!
Bad Cherry ;)
Bad cherry. I was here back when you had a few thousand subs and I was one of them. Glad to see you’ve grown. Alex seems cool but his videos are obnoxious and cheesy way too much theatrics for me and just rubs me wrong like a dishonest used car salesmen so I can’t believe anything he says. But you are more of a mans man with your video and I appreciate that and take what you say with much more than a grain of salt. Just picked up a Texas pride 40ft goose and tow it with a 2015 f350 fx4 with airbags and I agree the exhaust break sucks big time and I won’t upgrade till they can compete with rams. I17 north heading up to flagstaff from Phoenix is one of the toughest hills I’ve ever driven and with a 20k load I’d be lucky to hit 34 miles per hour I’m thinking with a 30k load id be at 15 or less. Those hills are true proving grounds for any badge. Thanks for the videos keep them coming
H*** yeah finally yall meet up, I had a suspicious feeling this was gonna happen from as much as you kept mentioning tow piglet!!
I’m down with this video. I like Tow Piglet, he is brutally honest. When he fucks up he shares it with the world, so others don’t make the same mistake. He genuinely wants to help others scratch out a living.
It's a combination of exhaust break and transmission. Even my 2019 Volvo VNL I have to downshift going down steep enough grades with a load on it. Of course truck, crane and steel step-deck trailer scales out at about 39,500 to 40,000 empty at steel warehouse in Chicago.
Hey, both guys are on the top of my subscribed list, Awesome content! *CDL Loads = 450/5500, just the final drive ratio will help to slow ya down. My opinion is to put the Ram exhaust brake on the Ford rather than the Ford Trany on the Ram. Besides I think there is more than a common bolt pattern that gets an automatic transmission/engine pair to work well. Don’t sweat the Ford Trans Temp. I have a MB Sprinter that runs at Temps that would get you to call 911 and its normal. Hoping Ford and Ram are watching your important content and reading some of these comments, I would like to add that both Ram & especially Ford need to go with a tilt (F-650 style) front hood, one should be able to see the engine without pulling the cab. Thanks Guys, please keep it coming!
Tow Piglet!!!! HELL YEAH BROTHER! You gonna convince him in a Diamond C? BAD CHERRY. If Dodge goes with a 10 Speed, hope they do not de-rate the engine.
Dustin Huffman why do the derate so people will not burn up the trans? I like the Cummins I just think they need to build these trucks to do the work.
check out Danger Industries channel. He only uses fords up in canada. Because they hold up better. He's buying a 2020 F540. He routinely tows 12 percent grade, 30k plus load. And makes a paddle shifter for the fords.
Bad Cherry. That was a great comparison video. I agree with your view point. If someone is primarily towing in hills and mountains. A good EB is essential. You feel safer, and more confident. You're not wearing out your truck, or trailer brakes as much. Replacing breaks more often, is an unnecessary added expense. I've driven a 2018 Ram 5500 with a 40ft gooseneck, loaded over 35k, all over Wyoming. That EB makes all the difference.
I’m loyal to Cummins too but would love to see your review on the F450. Bad cherry 🍒
The 10 speed transmission in the Ford learns how you drive and tries to match it depending on your driving habits. So if it acts weird thats why because it's still learning.
Bad cherry. On my 350 if I have the cruise set I never have to touch service brakes going down hill. Liked the video. I bought a 40 foot air ride, 25k diamond c after I saw your trailer comparison with the hydraulic dove tail and jacks. Absolutely love it.
You need to test the F-450. The lower rearend ratio will help uphill and hold a lower speed downhill at the same engine rpm. Also, you said in an earlier video length/turning radius is improtant, the 450 widetrack axle turns significantly sharper than the 350.
Ford all day!
Exactly I want to get a f250 even tho I dont need one for towing at all
The only thing wrong with the Ford is it's not good at going slow😂
@Gianni Green eyes Fords suck they're gay trucks I am a guy whose own them and I won't have them ever unless they are pre 1996
It’s fun watching some pros talk shop and review equipment together. I’ve learned a lot about towing and hauling from you both.
The f-550 vs the ram 5500 would be a great showdown. If you were comparing your 08 to a 2020 you should compare a 5500 to a 550 for sure. I'm sure the exhaust brake on the 550 would be better. Bad Cherry haha
What’s the rear gear in each truck and tire sizes?
Told you😂. And reliability of 6months of highway running isn't something to compare to. Truck/engine/trans won't last year's and years doing the work you do.
So....exhaust brake is worth what you’d save in fuel? I don’t think servicing your brakes a few additional times would eat up the fuel savings you’d experience.
Having good engine braking power is priceless. No fuel mileage will make up for brake fade and crashing.
V-BELT and SON lol only that’s not the case. Ford has an exhaust brake as well as Ram and you only have to apply the brakes a couple extra times on the ford at max load max hill lol you act like 15 years ago they all had exhaust brakes and Ford has nothing for exhaust braking when in fact they both do and there’s not nearly enough difference to cause any extra danger and we all know that lol
Why do you have the exhaust on auto would it have helped more if you just had it on
They work great on autos with lock up torque converters
Alex Kunze they do I figured that it might have done slightly better if it was on full on. I know it’s still not as good as the Cummins I had one my deleted and tuned does much better than stock
"Mansmission" 😂👍
try f450 for towing mega heavy. The 450 is quite the machine compared to the 350.
Yah agreed
Big Tex and diamond C same trailer? Yeah right. This video is hard to watch with Alex in it. I’ve tried and tried to watch his stuff, but I never make it past 5 minutes.
Tow piglet ! How cool is that 😬👋🏻
Ford and Cummins are by far the best 2. I have a f550 7.3 and f250 6.7. Drove serval Cummings but I do love my fords other than no engine brake. (Bad cheery)
21Jun20' Really enjoy your videos Sam. I've always wanted to do this business but it take 500k if a guy went with a Lamtrac LTR6140T Compact Track Loader Forestry Mulcher. Apologies for big print. How much does insurance cost you overall? Noone talks about hidden costs as that. Wish I could work with you, as were allot alike. But California is a long ways. Thanks Ty
Bad 🍒... interesting that the 475 hp didn’t make as much of a difference on that one uphill doing basically what the 08 does. The ford interiors are definitely superior for someone who works out of their vehicle, from a mechanics standpoint I just hate working on the engines everything is so difficult to get to and work on. Great video though! I like the comparison
X2 on the 450 test drive I’d love to see you test one out! Badcherry
Test the 450 Vbelt! That’s really what you need for your jobs; tight turns big brakes and lower gear!
I know I’m late to the party but for that kind of money and weight for a pickup, why wouldn’t you go get a little single axle day cab and be done with it?
Dodge needs an 10 speed eaton fuller in the chassis cabs. Then game over lol. Too bad people are lazy/cannot drove a manual.
I’ve seen a few 7.3 Powerjokes with the manual split. Definitely find this an interesting concept, I’d be all for it. My mechanical knowledge is admittedly limited, but I can definitely see the benefits of a high and low range for each gear, I feel like it would reduce, “running out of gear,” or not having enough gear to wind out.
@@nolanshockley7674 i had a1985 f350 with the7.3 with 5 sp. 4x4 ibought 600 dollars would not keep a starter or flywheel drove it two years and sold it for tweentyfive hundred bucks
You should go try a duramax just to see the difference between the Ford dodge and Chevrolet
Adam Stine good point. Test em all
BAD BAD CHERRY... lol. So I'm pulling 18K with my 05 6.0 with all Bulletproof and headstuds and pulls nice n cool no prob. But that tow/haul exhaust brake definitely doesn't work as good as it should... Not much has changed in 15 yrs...
Definitely everyone needs to assess their situation as to towing loads that bump the upper limits of these small diesels... At some point it just makes sense to bite the bullet and buy at least a 10 wheel dump that can handle a bigger trailer and load and then just not worrying about it. Save the small loads for the small diesels
How about adding this? www.xtremediesel.com/afe-77-63003-brakelogic-exhaust-brake-controller The BRAKELOGIC module creates up to 130 retarding horsepower and up to 70psi of exhaust back pressure.
Bad cherry I don’t know how you get better fuel mileage running two extra cylinders I have a 2020 ram HO pulling 38,000 pounds and I’m still getting 16 L per hundred and I don’t have to rev 3500 to 4000 RPM look under the hood Sam you’ll notice a lot of plastic on the Ford specially where the rad is there are no hose clamps it’s all plastic that’s another thing to look at hot and cold plastic will wear out don’t get me wrong ford a good truck but I’ve been ram boy for the last 30 years too much plastic on the Ford under the hood I’ll stick with my Cummins
I have a 2015 ford f350 single and it has made me a ford believer. Ya you dont notice the exhaust brake like on the other brands BUT it does work. I have a stock trailer 27 foot a flatbed 27 foot and dump trailer 14 foot bed all gooseneck trailers. Truck is stock and it get the job dun. 👍🏻 great video loved the test.
It is fanatic that you and TP put a video together. Sorry it's still a ford power stroke, will always go with the Cummings. If ford put a Cummings in theirs maybe. Next try the new Chevy or International, they have partnered on the new truck. TP needs to look at the Diamond C instead of the what he keeps buying. Bad cherry!
i agree about the ram shift points they are dumb and i know a few techs at dodge and they said there is a reason the transmissions shift like that but its still stupid dodge would have a nice package if they would just get their transmissions to shift correctly my 04 2500 5.9 cummins and my 03 1500 5.7 hemi both shift like that and its dumb for sure ..
So the Ford is better and the Dodge is the first loser? Hm, guess it's about brand loyalty for some and the best tool for the job for others!
If you don’t like the comfort and control of a good exhaust brake get the ford. The most stock hp is not the most important thing to me. Much prefer a controlled down hill game
@@VBELTandSON I love a good exhaust brake and through the mountains they are irreplaceable! But they don't correct for driver error I have seen two trucks take the bailout ramp and both passed me coming down the mountain, ya dig?
@@VBELTandSON Oh and I love the new Ram!
Awesome videos. Since you have tested Ram and Ford, you should try to get a GM and try the same load up the same hills. Even if your not a GM fan, I imagine it would be good for views. Keep up the awesome vids! Bad Cherry!
i am sorry if i affended anyone . i am 53 years old i have had jobs in logging ,salvage , welding , wrecking yards , garbage industry . ihave only had 5 personal vehicles i owned and normally i had more agressive trucks than my employer . three where ford f 350+ two chevy's 1 dodge that my neighbor loaned me when my chevy 3500 caught fire . my 69 still runs great but so does the dodge . thanx for listening to an old man ;
Bad Cherry :) Ford F350 is an 'ok' truck, but for what you are doing, you would be better suited to an F450 or F550 maybe.
All cab/chassis combos are not equipped with the high output engines. The 450 Ford pu is the last one with the higher rated engine.
You are SSOOO getting a Ford.
Best watch the whole video...
@@VBELTandSON I certainly did. Bad Cherry.
V-BELT and SON Are you considering all the transmission shifting and tuning issues and 2019 Cummins burning oil and all that that PD Diesel and others are having? Those issues aren’t deal breakers and pushing the brake a couple extra times on a downhill is??? Seems a little iffy to me considering the extra power and fuel mileage and no transmission shifting issues or burning oil to boot but each to his own 😄
By the way u saying 24 valve is a joke my old ass 1996 mustang v8 has 24 valve but u don’t hear me saying I’m back in my 24 valve I say I’m back in my v8 .
Note the the new 10 speed automatic is stamped with allison brand but it not a true Allison. It not even made by the company manufacturer that makes allison . The new 10 speed transmission is good that what i heard but i also heard it dose not hold up like most heavy duty ford trucks with a real allison 1000 series keep that in mine man and keep that Grandma project truck up
Try a F-450 or F-550 and see if either of those will change your mind, we use a 07 F-550 and it has been a good truck, bad cherry!!!
The video that everyone was waiting for. Awesome... it want that bad, it was good bc I learn something new: for work towing, hill power Dodge. For towing 4 wheels, horse trailer, camper, a tractor at the ranch Ford
Well I'm a chev guy for the most part but no don't bother with any diesel chev or towing in any serious way with any stock chev
wish i could afford that nice new ford but my 672000 mile 69 f350 stil runs with the big dogs "
Bad Cherry, too bad there is not enough time and money to buy both trucks and somehow combine and tune the Cummins to the 10 speed automatic.
It’s.cool that you and Alex got together for a video, I like him also. There are big differences
Just can’t beat that Cummins exhaust brake
@@dustinhuffman574 the exhaust brake happens at the engine not the trans.
@Gianni Green eyes you can't fix stupid he's probably never driven a 10 let alone a 13 and I bet if he has its probably a two pedal truck no clutch
Is that on fire?? 😂 I see what you did there. Nice that you had a collab.
You talked about your hat, I made it that far in the video 😂
Great video …. Plz explain if there are any benefits to hot plz . Love your channel
Speaking of cherries..I just got some of y'all s California grown cherries waaay down yonder in East Central fl... Y'all do a few things pretty good (from pt. Conception North) 🤘
I like the looks of the Ford over the Dodge. I have 2, 2012 F-350's. They have done a great job for me. Both the Dodge and Ford are awesome trucks!
Drive Chevy. And pull fifth wheels. And use demco autoslide hitches
The trans Temp on them fords .
Great video I'm glad I stuck with the ram for shore
Ford has good truck models. I think you should stay with Dodge.
Nvm, I see he is most likely skipping the ford due to the exhaust brake being underwhelming.
Ya I noticed that as well the damn L5P Duramax's with the new wheel base would be lovely to see
The exhaust braking is better than ram. He’s just a fan boy that’s y
Jeez , 1m in and you rackin up views.. 🤘
I think its awesome you guys got together. I watch both of you guys, very different personalities but awesome none the less.
Right on Alex ! Cool to see you on here CRYPTO..
The problem with Ram trucks is that they are built by Fiat, the Cummins is a beast
Bad cherry. I spit my beer out when you said "I guess 6 inches is a lot of space for some people"
Ford glues their trucks together 😂 not a weld on that aluminum body
Even at the end u said u will stay loyal to dodge see so you’re review can’t be taken serious. So this video was pointless
Maybe he just think the Ram is better at towing now that he drove the ford
Exhaust break is your deal breaker? Do you use the exhaust break, 90 percent of your drive time? You driving down hills, ALL day?
Down hill control is probably the most important factor. What are you talking about 😂
J Bandit lol yes but both having great downhill control but pushing the brake a couple extra times on 1 vs the other is definitely not a logical deal breaker especially when the rest of the truck is ahead of Ram by a good margin 😄
J Bandit Also put a 3.55 axle ratio on the ram like the ford had or a 4.10 on the ford like Ram had and then see that they’re very similar 😉
It's a good thing that you were able to test out the Ford with the trailer and whole shabam. It shows you what the reality behind the product is!
Thank you for doing these comparisons. Bad Cherry
Kinda Funny Ford has Ram smoked on everything tow related (Power Torque Transmission, shifting tuning) except u gotta push that brake a couple more times on a steep incline at extreme max load and a Ram guy goes oh I’ll deal with crappy shifting lower quality transmission brand new engine that burns oil and worse fuel mileage cause it’s definitely a deal breaker to push that brake a couple times extra on max hill max load lol but each to his own just think it’s kinda ironic😁especially since a lot of Ram guys go to a bigger non VGT turbo and lose exhaust brake entirely 😉Exhaust braking has everything to do with Variable Geometry Turbos
Ram/Cummins have the best fuel mileage all the way.
Steve Arrington Not anymore. Ford definitely gets better fuel mileage than Ram in 2020 and the updated 2019 Ram gets worse fuel mileage than the 4th gens did from what I’ve been seeing