I heard that the Davolink CEO got upset about her running down his stock and he talked to Dispatch and is the one that told them what was said and gave them a copy of their meeting. Also he told them about Mama roach telling him about Henni going to the assembly and how she was the one that told her what to do. So I hope Hybe can use all that in court. Let's hope so at least. 😊
thst part of evidence is hard evidence, not circumstantial one, and should be sufficient for criminal case against MHJ, NJ and NJ relatives. This whole thing wasn't given to Dispatch without reason, people want to speak up to avoid jail term. They know that this is a criminal case.
Yeah, MHJ and NJs have been using the court of public opinion, so why not let Dispatch turn that opinion against them? I don't care if it's evidence in court. MHJ has never said it was not true, just that it was leaked without her permission.
15:26 They can also subpoena the messages and then use it. If Ador can prove relevance of the text messages to the criminal case. They need to obtain a court order . Lastly rhey need to adhere to privacy laws.
This could be potentially criminal case so the police should be investigating this already, and for the police investigation, consent of people involved in these potentionally criminal deals around and with NJ, is not needed. However, Hybe or Ador or both can assist their case by obtaining evidence with consent of someone involved in deals between MHJ, NJ and these people. Since Davos Link could face criminal charges as well, I bet that Davos Link will willingly give up everything they have on MHJ and NJ.
Hybe was already suing to terminate the shareholder agreement even before the Dispatch evidence, so the Dispatch stuff is just extra ammunition. It would be great if it can be used, but if not, I’m sure they have other compelling evidence to cancel her shareholders agreement and this other stuff will just live in the public domain to bolster whatever decision is made by the court of law. This whole thing has gone on for so long, that I don’t even remember the criminal case against her, but I trust that Hyde’s lawyers have not forgotten
Perhaps it was one of the parents and/or the uncle. Perhaps they are coming out from under whatever spell and seeing that Mama Roach has potentially ruined their meal ticket. Patched Pants had a pretty good future ahead of them. Now even the money they have made is likely being sucked down quickly. Plus "uncle" is probably just as ticked off as Davolink (sp?) is that their deal went south as soon as she denied it and it hurt their stock. I bet uncle had already invested since everything was about to be finalized to the point Davolink had submitted names to be approved as officers. I wouldn't be surprised if the Davolink CEO agrees to testify against Mama roach. The lies aren't illegal but may be used in court to impeach them as witnesses, which will make their testimony suspect.
Let's be honest the groomer chose those girls because they're insufferable brats, they were never good girls they were entitled and full of themselves from the start.
I agree. I thought the Kakao messages between MHJ and the shaman were telling. When the shaman said something like "don't choose her, she has a fire in her eye" I felt she was saying that rejected trainee was too independent to be groomed. Or had too much integrity and sense of self worth to put up with the crap that MHJ dished out. But maybe the translation I read was wrong, as could be my interpretation of her words. But it does seem from those messages that the shaman was the driving force, would be great to find her and get her testimony.
The fact the MHJ met with potential investors and met Hanni despite them both saying they haven't talked or met after MHJ left is already a solid evidence. The fact that MHJ's plans were actually put into motion also will make them loss. The only reason MHJ won her case back then was because the court deemed it true but she hasn't taken actions in making it but turns out she is already put the plans in motion.
Hybe/Ador will do it's best NOT to have the contract with Old Slacks breached on either side. They were smart to ask the court to verify the contract IS still valid. If they say the contract was breached by Old Slacks... then the girls still get set free. The only argument will be whose fault is it and how much they pay in penalties. At this point it's better for Ador to keep the contract in place than to have to litigate it.
Not before, but that's what started all this. A Hybe investor (I think it was Dunamu?) told them that she wanted to meet with them and is planning something behind their backs. Then came the internal audit and she went berserk.
HYBE putting the ball in NJ’s side of the court by asking the court to confirm the contract rather than sue for breach of contract. This way NJ’s is now in the position of having to sue and then prove the breach of contract they claim occurred on ADOR’s part. The uphill legal climb is having the burden of proof. So, now it is up to the girls to provide the proof.
I Love and apreciate how you speak truth and then laugh. This whole debacle is so over the top sometimes you gotta have a laugh. The fact MHJ thinks that she can sleep with someone 1x and captivate them, wow, she is quite secure ha
I don’t despise Dispatch. They are clear about who they are and they are skilled at it. It sucks if you are on the receiving end of their efforts but otherwise they are just doing their job. I also feel that they have been Inthe expose business for too long not to have all the evidence to defend themselves from lawsuits
I just love your sense of humor. when she never gets to share her cookie and you said dang it. I love her confidence even if I can attract someone I am never that confident they will fall in love with me. I think her confidence comes from her Sharman.
if they try to make a deal (contract) to other company behind HYBE/ADOR even the deal/contract not make, with evidence or witness (that they really come to make a deal, not just 'i saw them there'). can 'try to' consider as 'A breach of contract' ?
Not only breach, but poaching an artist prior to contract ending. If hese investors and MHJ were meeting to set up any kind of career for the girls after leaving Ador, they can be in serious trouble. Especially seeing all they have done so far to forcefully end the contract.
The chairman of Davolink probably realized that if Min Seong Il had to lie about their association then whatever she was planning is wrong and/or illegal. Also, if this is the type of person she is then why would he want to get involved with someone like that because she could potentially come after his own company.
Dispatch in this case is equivalent to TMZ in Depp vs H. I think Dispatch realizes this is important serious info that needs to come out. I feel Dispatch actually has respect for HYBE/BSH and none for MHJ. Just my gut feeling.
Hybe can still sue mama roach cause when she do in media their combo between her and bang pd....so its also dispatch did same what mhj did to bang pd...
Verjetno bo to sodišče zavrglo. Sodišče je tudi zavrglo dokaz pogovorov med Cacao in Min Heejin. Ne vemo, kakšne vse močne dokaze ima Hyb! Vsekakor bo treba počakati na sojenje!
Court did not reject Kakao messages you mentioned, on the contrary, it accepted them as legally obtained evidence, and based on these messages ruled out that MHJ was indeed trying to hurt Hybe and steal Ador and NJ. However, that case was injunction case, it wasn't case about what MHJ was doing by not only breaching her contract# but also several laws, with potential of committing a crminal case. Injunction court was deciding on weather to back up MHJ's demand to block (injunct) Hybe board of directors from voting about her CEO position, and nothing else. Judges concluded that while she indeed had detailed plans to destroy Ador (and also tried to get investors on her board to execute the plan), she didn't manage to execute it, and, this is why she really won this case - Ador and Hybe are separate companies, and she didn't hurt Ador. That was what that injunction case was about. Hybe has separate legal lawsuit against her, and there is also separate CRIMINAL investigation open against her, if I remember and understood everything well, and in thst last one she was summoned by the police. Meaning, the police investigates that case, it is not a civil lawsuit. They investigate her for suspicion that she committed a criminal offence. She was summoned about it by the police in June, but it seems that the upper hand was holding this investigation back. I expect this will change now since MHJ has became a persona non grata for whole kpop industry which she is directly harming with her actions. She was useful till the point when it was all the smear campaign against the biggest competitor in k pop industry, and she was probably financially backed up by someone in industry to smash Hybe's reputation and harm it financially as much as possible. However, whole this NJ thing turned same people supporting MHJ in past against her, because what she and NJ tried to do to Hybe now opened a Pandora box, meaning it could happen to them as well. Since it is easy to bribe judges in Korea, this is why suddenly everyone reacted and stood behind Ador and Hybe. JYP faces a lawsuit in USA where some elements are similar to NJ's nonsense, and whole situation could trigger more idols with tampering and unilateral contracts terminations if Ador doesn't stop this effectively on court. And mark my words, Ador will stop this effectively.
Znam šta si htela da kažeš i često prevod na engleski može da bude zbunjujući .... Sudije obično ne uzimaju u obzir novinske članke kao dokazni materijal , ali posredan dokaz mogu biti neobljavljeni dokazi ,fotografije i slično. Novinari su najverovatnije pratili veliku mamu od trenutka kada je prvi članak objavljen .... Može biti pozvan na sud taj CEO ,jer i on je žrtva njenih manipulativnih igrica..... Hybe sasvim sigurno ima još dokaza ..... Jer kako se klupko počelo odmotavati ,tako što je velika mama bila pijavljena Hybu da se sastajala i pregovarala sa investitorima o ulaganju u Ador. Većina ljudi je pomešala lonce i poklopce i zaboravila da velika mama nije vlasnik Adora,ona je bila zaposleni direktor(CEO) koji prima platu svakog meseca . Sam Ador je investicija Hyba,a ove sad rasparane pantalone su proizvod te investicije. Ljudi zaboravljaju da priča o velikoj mami nije počela revizijom u aprilu ,tada je samo pukla nit na tom zamršenom klupku,a sad imamo novu reviziju . Priča o laptopu se ponavlja ....prvo smo imali stilistu koji je baš taj dan zavoravio da ponese laptop na posao ,pa su morali da odu po njega( i navodno je bio maltretiran) ,a ispostavilo se da je stilista primao novac ispod žita ....Velika mama ....još nismo saznali da li je predala svoj laptop ,verovatno su u njemu njeni tajni recepti za kolačiće ,a Hani je recepte greškom u žutoj koverti odnela onaj dan sa sobom. A sada i ovaj menadžer, za kojeg nismo sigurni da li je bio samo golub pismonoša ili je bio deo recepta za kolačiće . Januar je blizu ......A velika mama sad pokušava da opere što više svog prljavog veša , dok lovi u mutnom .
Stop relaying false information! No court has thrown out any Kakao conversations between MHJ and 3rd parties that were made on Hybr provided electronics! Employers have a legal right to review or audit such communications. MHJ herself provided screenshots of her selected conversations during her first "news conference". She recently changed messaging platforms to avoid Kakao, but stupidly assumed that it was encrypted. She is clever but not art. She is bold but not meticulous by nature. She still believes in her shaman more than the law.
Да не верю я в строгость законов о конфиденциальности в Корее! Сколько в последнее время,в течении этого года,было ещё на стадии полицейского расследования,а результаты расследования попадали в прессу и становились известны "общественности"! Вот она строгость/конфиденциальность...
They "could" but as far as I know, journalists' or media companies' right to protect their source is protected by the law. that's why these idols whose privacy get invaded aren't suing Dispatch or other journalists. If Dispatch can't be required to prove the veracity of their information, the court won't admit it as evidence. HOWEVER, i don't know if there is a way around it in Korea. I know more about US laws.
As long as what they print is accurate. and if they make a mistake, they say so at the same volume. I hate how she talked about those kids, however even parents esp moms, in Korea speak to their kids in that way. Jin, of all people, was called a pig when caught eating. I've seen pictures of JIn at that time, he didn't need to loose a ounce. I can't stand the snake mom, but to call her out for that , when it's the norm in S.Korea is slim. I remind you, way back in the beginning I told you to follow the money, and who was she sleeping with... you laughed at me. Now, I good naturally am laughing at you.
I said I see in twitter where may be nj fans and some fans petition and the petition go to the assembly there only 1k people left vote the petition nj fans assembly investigate hybe for what I don’t know so I asked what if happend what assembly investigated
I heard that the Davolink CEO got upset about her running down his stock and he talked to Dispatch and is the one that told them what was said and gave them a copy of their meeting. Also he told them about Mama roach telling him about Henni going to the assembly and how she was the one that told her what to do.
So I hope Hybe can use all that in court.
Let's hope so at least. 😊
Dispatch has the declaration of the davolink ceo and the recording of the meeting given by the davolink ceo
thst part of evidence is hard evidence, not circumstantial one, and should be sufficient for criminal case against MHJ, NJ and NJ relatives. This whole thing wasn't given to Dispatch without reason, people want to speak up to avoid jail term. They know that this is a criminal case.
It doesn’t matter legally if Hanni met with Mama Roach, it just shows that she is a liar. She just better not lie under oath!
Like she's always been? oppss. Sorry.
Yeah, MHJ and NJs have been using the court of public opinion, so why not let Dispatch turn that opinion against them? I don't care if it's evidence in court. MHJ has never said it was not true, just that it was leaked without her permission.
15:26 They can also subpoena the messages and then use it. If Ador can prove relevance of the text messages to the criminal case.
They need to obtain a court order .
Lastly rhey need to adhere to privacy laws.
This could be potentially criminal case so the police should be investigating this already, and for the police investigation, consent of people involved in these potentionally criminal deals around and with NJ, is not needed. However, Hybe or Ador or both can assist their case by obtaining evidence with consent of someone involved in deals between MHJ, NJ and these people. Since Davos Link could face criminal charges as well, I bet that Davos Link will willingly give up everything they have on MHJ and NJ.
Hybe was already suing to terminate the shareholder agreement even before the Dispatch evidence, so the Dispatch stuff is just extra ammunition. It would be great if it can be used, but if not, I’m sure they have other compelling evidence to cancel her shareholders agreement and this other stuff will just live in the public domain to bolster whatever decision is made by the court of law. This whole thing has gone on for so long, that I don’t even remember the criminal case against her, but I trust that Hyde’s lawyers have not forgotten
I think Despatch evidence is for the public to see the truth not for HYBE to use,'they have other means to get back at MHJ and NJ.
Perhaps it was one of the parents and/or the uncle. Perhaps they are coming out from under whatever spell and seeing that Mama Roach has potentially ruined their meal ticket. Patched Pants had a pretty good future ahead of them. Now even the money they have made is likely being sucked down quickly. Plus "uncle" is probably just as ticked off as Davolink (sp?) is that their deal went south as soon as she denied it and it hurt their stock. I bet uncle had already invested since everything was about to be finalized to the point Davolink had submitted names to be approved as officers. I wouldn't be surprised if the Davolink CEO agrees to testify against Mama roach. The lies aren't illegal but may be used in court to impeach them as witnesses, which will make their testimony suspect.
We must remember that this would be a South Korean civil litigation case, and the evidence criteria for civil vs. criminal law differ.
I believe in the article Dispatch, said they got the telegram from one of the parents.
Let's be honest the groomer chose those girls because they're insufferable brats, they were never good girls they were entitled and full of themselves from the start.
I agree. I thought the Kakao messages between MHJ and the shaman were telling. When the shaman said something like "don't choose her, she has a fire in her eye" I felt she was saying that rejected trainee was too independent to be groomed. Or had too much integrity and sense of self worth to put up with the crap that MHJ dished out. But maybe the translation I read was wrong, as could be my interpretation of her words. But it does seem from those messages that the shaman was the driving force, would be great to find her and get her testimony.
The fact the MHJ met with potential investors and met Hanni despite them both saying they haven't talked or met after MHJ left is already a solid evidence. The fact that MHJ's plans were actually put into motion also will make them loss. The only reason MHJ won her case back then was because the court deemed it true but she hasn't taken actions in making it but turns out she is already put the plans in motion.
I love how you call her mama roach 😂
Hybe/Ador will do it's best NOT to have the contract with Old Slacks breached on either side. They were smart to ask the court to verify the contract IS still valid. If they say the contract was breached by Old Slacks... then the girls still get set free. The only argument will be whose fault is it and how much they pay in penalties. At this point it's better for Ador to keep the contract in place than to have to litigate it.
Didn’t other investors rat her out to hybe, even before this whole fight started?
Not before, but that's what started all this. A Hybe investor (I think it was Dunamu?) told them that she wanted to meet with them and is planning something behind their backs. Then came the internal audit and she went berserk.
@ add Davolink to it, and it becomes much more believable
@Sherluck93Yes and Weverse...
HYBE putting the ball in NJ’s side of the court by asking the court to confirm the contract rather than sue for breach of contract. This way NJ’s is now in the position of having to sue and then prove the breach of contract they claim occurred on ADOR’s part. The uphill legal climb is having the burden of proof. So, now it is up to the girls to provide the proof.
I Love and apreciate how you speak truth and then laugh. This whole debacle is so over the top sometimes you gotta have a laugh. The fact MHJ thinks that she can sleep with someone 1x and captivate them, wow, she is quite secure ha
delulu to the max is more like it. narcissistic personality most likely
I don’t despise Dispatch. They are clear about who they are and they are skilled at it. It sucks if you are on the receiving end of their efforts but otherwise they are just doing their job. I also feel that they have been Inthe expose business for too long not to have all the evidence to defend themselves from lawsuits
Old shorts mama roach and the buncles
I just love your sense of humor. when she never gets to share her cookie and you said dang it. I love her confidence even if I can attract someone I am never that confident they will fall in love with me. I think her confidence comes from her Sharman.
“I cannot flirt,dammit!”
😂😂😂😂
You are so cute gagahhahahahahaha.
I burst my coffee for it 😂😂😂😂.
Borahaaaeeeeeeeee
I wonder whether Davolink ever paid her any money before she disavowed them.
Did anyone found out what happened at her latest speach on the women convention?
How about recording?I've heard i don't know if it's real that dispatch have a recording about mama roach and the davolink ceo when they met?
I think the Davolink guy recorded stuff and turned it over to dispatch after she made his stock tank
if not obtained legally it will be rejected by court
@@0xyGen_2.p0If legality is consent from only ONE of the participant of the recorded conversation then it will be legal
if they try to make a deal (contract) to other company behind HYBE/ADOR even the deal/contract not make, with evidence or witness (that they really come to make a deal, not just 'i saw them there'). can 'try to' consider as 'A breach of contract' ?
The point is that the article was based upon an active participant's statements, not just pics.
Not only breach, but poaching an artist prior to contract ending. If hese investors and MHJ were meeting to set up any kind of career for the girls after leaving Ador, they can be in serious trouble. Especially seeing all they have done so far to forcefully end the contract.
The chairman of Davolink probably realized that if Min Seong Il had to lie about their association then whatever she was planning is wrong and/or illegal. Also, if this is the type of person she is then why would he want to get involved with someone like that because she could potentially come after his own company.
Somewhere down the line we are going to learn that someone has recordings of mama roach and her dealings, and I’m sure Hybe will be one of them…
Dispatch in this case is equivalent to TMZ in Depp vs H. I think Dispatch realizes this is important serious info that needs to come out. I feel Dispatch actually has respect for HYBE/BSH and none for MHJ. Just my gut feeling.
Диспачь если начнёт копать/расследовать,то он это делает на совесть/въедливо!
Or maybe like the rest of us they just hate liars (and roaches)
Hybe can still sue mama roach cause when she do in media their combo between her and bang pd....so its also dispatch did same what mhj did to bang pd...
there is no way that they would have given her so much .... but it all makes sense.
Verjetno bo to sodišče zavrglo. Sodišče je tudi zavrglo dokaz pogovorov med Cacao in Min Heejin. Ne vemo, kakšne vse močne dokaze ima Hyb! Vsekakor bo treba počakati na sojenje!
Court did not reject Kakao messages you mentioned, on the contrary, it accepted them as legally obtained evidence, and based on these messages ruled out that MHJ was indeed trying to hurt Hybe and steal Ador and NJ. However, that case was injunction case, it wasn't case about what MHJ was doing by not only breaching her contract# but also several laws, with potential of committing a crminal case. Injunction court was deciding on weather to back up MHJ's demand to block (injunct) Hybe board of directors from voting about her CEO position, and nothing else. Judges concluded that while she indeed had detailed plans to destroy Ador (and also tried to get investors on her board to execute the plan), she didn't manage to execute it, and, this is why she really won this case - Ador and Hybe are separate companies, and she didn't hurt Ador. That was what that injunction case was about. Hybe has separate legal lawsuit against her, and there is also separate CRIMINAL investigation open against her, if I remember and understood everything well, and in thst last one she was summoned by the police. Meaning, the police investigates that case, it is not a civil lawsuit. They investigate her for suspicion that she committed a criminal offence. She was summoned about it by the police in June, but it seems that the upper hand was holding this investigation back. I expect this will change now since MHJ has became a persona non grata for whole kpop industry which she is directly harming with her actions. She was useful till the point when it was all the smear campaign against the biggest competitor in k pop industry, and she was probably financially backed up by someone in industry to smash Hybe's reputation and harm it financially as much as possible. However, whole this NJ thing turned same people supporting MHJ in past against her, because what she and NJ tried to do to Hybe now opened a Pandora box, meaning it could happen to them as well. Since it is easy to bribe judges in Korea, this is why suddenly everyone reacted and stood behind Ador and Hybe. JYP faces a lawsuit in USA where some elements are similar to NJ's nonsense, and whole situation could trigger more idols with tampering and unilateral contracts terminations if Ador doesn't stop this effectively on court. And mark my words, Ador will stop this effectively.
V največje veselje mi bo, da Ador in Hyb zmagata na sodišču! Ne smemo pa pozabiti, da se Min Heejin ne bo zlahka predala!
Znam šta si htela da kažeš i često prevod na engleski može da bude zbunjujući ....
Sudije obično ne uzimaju u obzir novinske članke kao dokazni materijal , ali posredan dokaz mogu biti neobljavljeni dokazi ,fotografije i slično. Novinari su najverovatnije pratili veliku mamu od trenutka kada je prvi članak objavljen ....
Može biti pozvan na sud taj CEO ,jer i on je žrtva njenih manipulativnih igrica.....
Hybe sasvim sigurno ima još dokaza .....
Jer kako se klupko počelo odmotavati ,tako što je velika mama bila pijavljena Hybu da se sastajala i pregovarala sa investitorima o ulaganju u Ador. Većina ljudi je pomešala lonce i poklopce i zaboravila da velika mama nije vlasnik Adora,ona je bila zaposleni direktor(CEO) koji prima platu svakog meseca .
Sam Ador je investicija Hyba,a ove sad rasparane pantalone su proizvod te investicije.
Ljudi zaboravljaju da priča o velikoj mami nije počela revizijom u aprilu ,tada je samo pukla nit na tom zamršenom klupku,a sad imamo novu reviziju .
Priča o laptopu se ponavlja ....prvo smo imali stilistu koji je baš taj dan zavoravio da ponese laptop na posao ,pa su morali da odu po njega( i navodno je bio maltretiran) ,a ispostavilo se da je stilista primao novac ispod žita ....Velika mama ....još nismo saznali da li je predala svoj laptop ,verovatno su u njemu njeni tajni recepti za kolačiće ,a Hani je recepte greškom u žutoj koverti odnela onaj dan sa sobom. A sada i ovaj menadžer, za kojeg nismo sigurni da li je bio samo golub pismonoša ili je bio deo recepta za kolačiće .
Januar je blizu ......A velika mama sad pokušava da opere što više svog prljavog veša , dok lovi u mutnom .
Stop relaying false information! No court has thrown out any Kakao conversations between MHJ and 3rd parties that were made on Hybr provided electronics! Employers have a legal right to review or audit such communications. MHJ herself provided screenshots of her selected conversations during her first "news conference". She recently changed messaging platforms to avoid Kakao, but stupidly assumed that it was encrypted. She is clever but not art. She is bold but not meticulous by nature. She still believes in her shaman more than the law.
@emilylee9894 She didn't mean to spread false information, emily, she just didn't know. Girl is Army and is always on our side
15:45 fairly sure all parties need to consent to its broadcast, SK has the most stringent privacy laws in the world.
Her defense is weak though, because she did the same.
Да не верю я в строгость законов о конфиденциальности в Корее! Сколько в последнее время,в течении этого года,было ещё на стадии полицейского расследования,а результаты расследования попадали в прессу и становились известны "общественности"! Вот она строгость/конфиденциальность...
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8 Minutes ago? I'm too early for the comments 😅
you just made an opening, I believe
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couldn't hybe send a subpoena to dispatch, to request them to testify
They "could" but as far as I know, journalists' or media companies' right to protect their source is protected by the law. that's why these idols whose privacy get invaded aren't suing Dispatch or other journalists. If Dispatch can't be required to prove the veracity of their information, the court won't admit it as evidence. HOWEVER, i don't know if there is a way around it in Korea. I know more about US laws.
SHE DOES NOT REPRESENT ME. SO YES HELL NO! AGREE.
As long as what they print is accurate. and if they make a mistake, they say so at the same volume.
I hate how she talked about those kids, however even parents esp moms, in Korea speak to their kids in that way. Jin, of all people, was called a pig when caught eating. I've seen pictures of JIn at that time, he didn't need to loose a ounce. I can't stand the snake mom, but to call her out for that , when it's the norm in S.Korea is slim.
I remind you, way back in the beginning I told you to follow the money, and who was she sleeping with... you laughed at me. Now, I good naturally am laughing at you.
I said I see in twitter where may be nj fans and some fans petition and the petition go to the assembly there only 1k people left vote the petition nj fans assembly investigate hybe for what I don’t know so I asked what if happend what assembly investigated
Edit your comment please.
Too much unnecessary instroductory Yapping!!... Yap yap yap!!
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