VW ID3 1st 1000 km challenge
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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The good result comes from the fact, that the ID.3 is a true EV. Not based on a fossil car. That's the way to do it, great work VW!
@@NyashaM Exactly what VW wanted. They make good cars and everything is designed well. This car will sell well.
a little more efford in the egolf...it would have beaten the id.x
It has nothing to to do with „true ev“
@@susihormon7821 The platform is built as rwd as base or awd optional with engine and battery placement thought from the begining for electric drive only, it is more efficient from that point of view than a fwd car that has been adapted to an electric drivetrain. plus they placed the battery and engine so weight distribution is good and you won't have the kind of problems in the winter that conventional rwd cars have.
@@susihormon7821 It's got double the range. That wouldn't happen without it. I also heard it is 40% cheaper to manufacture. Forget where I saw that.
I'm really glad for VW that the ID3 turned out to be a good car.
Its got a good range, it charges quick and its efficient! Thats all we need.
if only it was a little bit cheaper.
@@alfrredd thats true but like it or not its a new technology and they will be expensive for a few years yet.
Also they say most people pay by the month now so the RRP isn't the main focus.
@@abraxastulammo9940 probably, but you have to add the taxes to that, prices in the US always seem cheaper but they are before taxes.
@@abraxastulammo9940 I've heard it's bigger than a golf on the inside, so little compared to the id.4 but not that little.
@@alfrredd A couple more battery price drops, and some competition from Tesla's giga Berlin, and I think you will get your wish.
will be cool to see how much faster the bigger battery is in this test when it comes out
Bigger battery and 125kW fast charging. Should be fast but winter is coming.
@@andreastattarisuo1034 So I assume no heating pump like Model Y?
@@Dralonet its on the VW website "The heat pump in the new ID.3 also provides a number of benefits: the refrigerant used to generate the heated air is climate-neutral. This reduces the load on the battery capacity by approximately 3 to 4 kWh/100 km, increasing the range in winter by up to 30% in temperatures as low as -25°C." - i've not checked the tesla comparison.
@@rtfazeberdee3519 afaik that applies to all heat pumps (the efficiency claim). Ofc tesla claims to have an even more efficient heat pump, but it's not in M3 yet.
@@MilodeVries possibly, i was just showing where the info was and i assume the other poster got it from there
After this test I will buy ID.3 unstead Model 3, because it is the better car, comfortable, silent, usefull... They will hopefully solve all software bugs till I get my ID. ;) Bjorn thank you from Slovenija for all grat tests.
A little tip if you take a few days off then you can "help" to build your own ID.3. At the "Gläserne Manufaktur" in Dresden ( Germany )
@@Felix-no7nx sounds like fun 👍
Bjørn, your channel deserves hundreds of thousands more subs. Thank you for your work!!! ABC...always be (1000 km) challenging!!! GS!!!
Thanks for educating and being an ambassador for electric vehicles! Keep up your great content 😊👍⚡️
3:03 What the heck did the clock on the infotainment screen do?🤣
It wasn't quite sure about the time it seems!
Volkswagen is the answer
German software 😉
Spying on Bjorn!
Wow, you have a good eye 😲
Base model is all i need. 👌
Get a better car
@Cristi interior quality is lacking for a €40k+ car
@@alfrredd The cost is from the batteries, and you will save running costs compared to fossil cars. If you want a fancy interior get an iPace or ETron.
Awesome. Because of so many construction zones I only could manage 10 minutes faster than you with 1000km on the Autobahn. But I think 10h could be possible.
10h is not possible. Maybe best case 10h30m.
Bjørn Nyland you mean with ID.3 ?
@@bjornnyland On the Autobahn it is. I drove over 150 kmh most of the time, but construction slowed me down
70km roadworks on my route.
Agreeing with Mr German, in his test he easily lost 20/30 min in stau & baustelle. In optimal conditions & on Autobahn the 10h are reachable (or at least getting real close).
@@bjornnyland It can be done, it will be really hard, but it can be done with the right conditions. Battery Life did it in 10:34 and had traffic, lots of slower zones due to road works and a couple of detours (that's was his actual time, without removing a single minute)... 10h will be hard, but with the right route it can be done (just in Germany, with warm weather and a route with the right number of Ionity stations)... but i'm not sure if that route really exists in reality right now, the one he chose could be good once all the construction is finished, but not right now. In theory a 10h 1000km drive is possible, but that's pretty much the limit, doing it in less time would require tailwind, perfect placement of chargers and willingness to drive to the charger almost empty (less than 3% for each stop). But if we talk about a "practical" time, then yes, 10:30 is about the limit.
UI is not perfect, but the info display shows all you want and i really like the minimal "dashboard"
Speed, SOC 👌
And you can have a pretty nice hud too...
Wow! sat nav looks like a Garmin from 2004
This is probably most awaited "yo what's up" for many 😃 Great result for ID3 58, it outperformed my 11h+ expectations.
This is a great result. An incredible result when you factor in the price compared to the other EVs higher in the list!
Thank you Bjorn for the great work you do! Absolutely incredible!
Wow it is really awesome to see that finally some of the traditional manufacturers are delivering EVs that are affordable and practical for the masses. This is the final nail in the coffin of the ICE car industry. Only 10 years after Tesla stepped into this game. Wow
17 years, 12 years since the first production car ;)
I'm not sure. The first Teslas already dead after 12 years. Meanwhile 20, 30 year old fossils still roam around. Even Toyotas with Tesla tech didn't last. Battery needs to be more durable to replace fossil.
@@keyfirst1897 Oh you silly. What are you talking about? 12-year-old Teslas dead? What? where? And of course those old fossils still are around, age doesn't tell much, it's the mileage. There are plenty of Teslas with over million kilometers and with practically no maintenance. How many fossil cars can do million klicks and how much money would their maintenance cost?
@@panzerveps Well, not sure i would count the around 2500 roadsters made by lotus. More of a demonstration to get investors for model S production.
Silly Goose Sorry but this was first gen battery tech. Today’s batteries easily last for 200, 300k km. Maybe even more.
Still crazy how many stops you ended up doing. The end time is still impressive but compared to my 1.6L Diesel Golf.. I can drive 1250 km with a single tank if I drive 100km/h and still something like 900km when going 150+ kmh on the autobahn.. Still impressive work from vw
I could have done only half the number of stops too. The reason why I did so many stops was to cut down the end time by about 5-10 minutes. It's all about tweaking.
@@bjornnyland no Björn, it's all about twerking 🤣👍
Lets face it, the electric cars are more than good enough these days, it's just the price, maybe that's why tesla are heading down that route now trying to get the cost out of the battery. But anyway you look at it, combustion engine days are over.
On my DS4 i'm waiting on an injector change, and on my audi a3 my turbo getting a reconditioning. Yeah... Pretty sure i'm done with combustion engine, and this is just the tip of my total car repairs.
exactly .. I would like to have a electric Car but they are way to expensive and have too much Software issues. As long as they have warranty it´s all okay, but imagine a used Car. Terrible when you need thousands of Euros to repair fucked up Electromnic Jung Parts.
I´m waiting for them to get cheaper and more reliable....
Don´t want to drive a Playstation whre I´m leashed through restrictions to the Manufacturer whi can anytim block my Car. I OWN IT - so I´m the Boss. What TESLA does is ridiculus !!!
Nice video and even nicer as I just bought one myself 😀
Congrats, i’d spend the extra 10k € on a Model 3 myself. More for the money
@@Aikaramba12 We did check Model 3 out but could not live with the large center screen and missing HUD. It's also quite small on the inside while being larger on the outside.
Hans Henrik it’s not for everyone i guess, hope you’re happy with the ID3. We have an E-up and the TM3
Hi, No rapidgate for this VW ID3 and that's a very good thing. Thanks for your video.
2023: David v. David
ID.1 v. "Model 2" from Giga Berlin
My bet is 11:25
Edit: I undestimated the ID3, in my opinion it is a great result
Looks like a great car. Would do well in Canada but it is not available. However... ID.4 is coming soon!
Love this kind of benchmark challenge.
Awesome Matrix LED headlights
The base model does not have matrix LED.
@@YusukeShirogane I see. So those are just LED then?
@@7spower998 Correct
This car is REALLY good
As Always-good review!👍 The standard 18 inch look good. I hope you can get your hands on the new Citroën E-C4 when its arrive..the most soft suspension on the market...and big baloon wheels in standard 195/60/18 !😎👍
Great car. Better then expected.
Red zone in Sweden? 🤣 Covid19 is spreading like crazy in Norway while in Sweden it's like nada. Stay safe out there Bjørn 🤟
So jealous of Sweden right now. The UK government have lost their heads!
@@summerjunk929
Sweden is a death cult these days
What are you on about? Norway would put itself as a red country at this moment, yes, but we are not allowing travel from countries because they have better numbers than ours, they have to bet better than a set limit, which not many countries fall within right now. That makes sense no matter how you look at it. Sweden has not been below that limit in most regions for a while. In total, Norway has about 1/4th as many cases per 100k,
@@stevebentley4516 eh?
Norwegian government recommend people to avoid traveling abroad. I don't go to Sweden because I follow the government's recommendation. When I did 1000 km with the Kia Ceed, Sweden was considered yellow.
Bjorn you are killing it man! :o
Bjorn, you're the Best man! Thank you
Very impressive result. I like it a lot.
Nice time but cool to see that a 6 year old P85 has pretty much the same time :)
10:26 that average speed amazing!
I still think a bigger battery is usefull in Norway, lots of places have just two chargers, and now that they're pushing out 10k electric cars a month, and mach-e,id4,enyaq haven't even been released.
I don't think the chargers will keep up the pace with all the new deliveries.
They aren't today and it will just become worse. The number of cars vs. chargers, and the slow charing speeds of most non-Tesla EVs just don't work to make a good charging network. Unless the government builds a ton of chargers, the other EVs will not stand a chance to get a good infrastructure. That or 1k+ KM range.
The whole point of Tesla is they build SCs to support the cars, not to make money on charging like Fortum, Circle K, etc. This is why you see a ton of chargers per location with Tesla, where 5% of their chargers are used 99% of the time. They don't build for profit like the other's do. They build excessive amounts to give the customers a good "EV package".
There is no point building a good buffer of chargers that are only used 3% of the time for any non-Tesla chargers.
It looks really promising! Just think the price is a bit high, compared to eg the kona 64kwh. This might just be in Denmark, don't know how the pricing is in the rest of Europe :)
Very impressive. Nice car but UI is still to improve though.
Thanks for making your data availible to us
Time to beat the 10 hour mark again. A test with the model 3 LR (not performance). Even more interessting with more V3 Chargers.
Nice car Bjorn!, Would love to have that ambient lighting in my Tesla
Starting to be tempted by the ID3 to replace my egolf in a couple of years
How much do you think your egolf will be worth in "a couple of years"?
I'm so conflicted.
On one hand I can get a 2018 egolf (with heatpump, 30k kilometer) for 150.000 Danish kroner.
On the other hand I can get a 2020 ID3 First (with heatpump, 2k kilometer
) for 270.000 Danish kroner.
I don't know what to get. Get egolf now and upgrade to a 2020 ID3 "cheaper" in two to three years time? Decisions, decisions, decisions 😭
@@HelloMyFriend_ yes that’s a hard choice. I would test drive each. Golf interior is a lot more traditional and premium.
@@Zimpaz thanks............ for nothing 😂😅🤣..... Tell me what to dooooooo!!!!!
@@HelloMyFriend_ imo the only advantage of the ID3 over the golf is range. I have the golf and love it. Personally I prefer to own outright so always go a year or two old second hand with a personal loan
@@Zimpaz yeah, I'm leaning more towards the egolf too..... Thanks for replying my dude.... Buying new or almost new makes no sense.....
Hello Björn. Just wanted to explain the tire width and wall profile thing. You say 55 profile tire, but that 55 does mean just the percentage of the width of the tire for the wall profile. That means 215/55 has the wall profile of 55% of 215. In other words, 245/55xx tire has a wall profile of 55% of 245. So the wall profile of two tires with /55/ with different with differs :) Maybe you already knew it, just wanted to add for those who are not familiar with. :) Cheers from Sweden!
Yes, I already knew this. For other people who want to know more:
ruclips.net/video/dF_c6vEm6w4/видео.html
Another great content! You rock man .. truly was not expecting the ID.3 or anything VW to be that good! I am actually impressed, btw what is the cost of your iD.3 test vehicle?
350k
can't wait for the plaid model s 1000km challenge!
Me too... :)
Great video. Im looking forward to test the ID.3 my self. I hope to see a test of the rwd and tracking control on the ID.3 in winter with snow. I currently own a fossil car, but your videos made me realize that my next car has be an EV !!
Thank you Bjørn very much.learned something new today..thanks keep doing good work
Splash and dash method for the win.
The 1000km Challenge started with travel from germany over denmark, sweden and norway. Wich is a realistic condition for a holiday trip etc. With the id3 it is a optimized jump between fastchargers without detours etc. So the resulst is not to compare with original 1000km Challenge Results
It is still comparable.
Bah.. Norway is also a red zone. ;-)
Correct! :D
But not close so sweden;)
yasemeen there’s no reason for that, then it will just be more lockdown
Laughing in finland ;)
Ville how is it over there neighbor? Hope you’re doing fine
Only because of avg temperature of +14. If it would have been colder, 1st charge would not last that long and air would be thicker, using of heating, thus most likely one more charging stop (or 5 - 10 minutes extra in each of stops) would have been required. So compared to e.g. Kona, maybe 25 minutes (max) faster.
@@kenny.8934 Yes, but at those temperatures you must also use the heater to warm the interior of the car and that requires extra energy, so you will have to charge for longer to compensate for the extra consumption.
Abraxas Tulammo yes, but even then you are going to lose a lot of efficiency. The ID.3 had almost 15% extra consumption at 12c than at 18c, you can see it in the livestream, the last leg of the trip had a lot more consumption than the previous one even if it was the same route and distance.
@@Gresteh If it's like E-tron, it can draw more from Charger and keep battery charging maxed while pulling another kW or two for Hvac... I think there are even a few clips in this video where the charger is showing 101kW or 102kW charging power. Also, for fans.
@@biff2bart509 Certainly, but that only helps while charging and not during the trip itself, that's when you will have higher consumption unless you turn HVAC off. It's not just about charging time, it also affects the overall efficiency of the car, less efficiency during the trips equals more charging time for the same distance.
It should say "Das schnelle Auto" XD
Ok, let me correct that.
German Keyboard Warrior agreed 👍
@@Chobaca No.
"Der schnelle Läufer"- "The fast runner". And just to have covered everything, it's also "schnelle" in case of feminine subject: "Die schnelle Läuferin" - "The fast (female) runner".
Chobaca it is the basic form of the adjective. But the adverbial form is the same e.g. „ich laufe schnell“ (hence the hurry up). Declination of adjectives only depends on singular/plural and on the different cases and not on the gender...
@@Chobaca Because there is a definite article "das" before the noun, there is no declination of the adjective, therefore ending in -e.
Great car but as you know charge at 50% or less each time...
I’ll wait for super caps etc second edition!
When we stop towing our caravan in a few years, a used ID3 will be on my shortlist possibly with the bigger battery. I'd trust the longevity and reliability of this more than a Tesla.
13:05, wow you can see the charging speed going up, when the cooling manages to reduce the battery temp slightly. 1000km challenge brings out everything. The ultimate test for every EV. Didn't expect VW to fail on the cooling for a 100kw charging car. Image summer with 30+ degrees. It will be way worse than this. Tesla Model 3 SR+ wins.
I am interested what the car does when the battery is cold, how powerful is the battery heater? How long does it take to get good speeds when the battery is cold.
As ever, great video Björn.
With your collected data you might develop an empirical formula for the 1000 km travel time vs charge speed, consumption rate and battery capacity
It's so weird seeing all those EVs on the road. I've seen maybe 20 EVs state wide here in my state. The dealers here have gotten so desperate they started ordering used EVs to sell and they just sit at the dealers. I even had a saleslady at the Honda dealer tell me the 2017 Soul EV charges in an hour on 110v and gets you 300 miles......I had a word with the manager about it..love these and can't wait to have the id.3 here in the states!
Thanks a lot for the test and the video! Two points: 1. a test in a country that - sadly - has a speed limit on the highway is fortunately not yet fully comparable for us Germans.😉
2. how or why do I always see in tests of this kind a prepared calculation regarding "how much do I have to charge at this stop to get to the next charging point" in percent and not in kWh (which have to be in the battery)? Is this easier because only the charge is displayed in percent and you simply have a "translation table" where 50% battery charge is also 50% of the net capacity?
Thanks a lot! ✌️
Do you have to massage the ID3 in almost every charging stop to keep it happy? 😂
I didn’t know you have to clean the windscreen so many times in a day, that too on a clear sunny day to keep it running the marathon 1000 km challenge 😄
By the way thank you for sharing the video, enjoyed watching it and ID3 seems to be a serious mass market competitor from VW
Awesome. The new golf is as good as a tesla model s p85 from 2014
Well, he does it with a 25% smaller Battery ;)
Yep, as long as you do not have 3+ children...
I hope this comes to Canada.
ID.4 will, but this car won't be available outside of Europe. European hatchbacks/city cars sell very poorly in North America.
could you please add the number of charging stops to the google sheet? thanks!
How is the base level compared with the high spec. trim level. A video about all the different equipment levels would be great. For example is the seats with adjustable length better than the standard ones?
What was The "1 report" message in the infotainment screen at The end?
It give warning when you get down to 20%. And it report this.
Björn, how is the ”regen”, is it strong. Can you choose regen level?
2 regen levels, "D" & "B", selectable with gear shifter.
Weaker one-pedal feeling than tesla but lightly tapping break-pedal further increases regen strength.
That navigation + interface looks a bit '1995' compared to the one in a model 3.
nice roadmusic!
I'm so conflicted.
On one hand I can get a 2018 egolf (with heatpump, 30k kilometer) for 150.000 Danish kroner.
On the other hand I can get a 2020 ID3 First (with heatpump, 2k kilometer
) for 270.000 Danish kroner.
I don't know what to get. Get egolf now and upgrade to a 2020 ID3 "cheaper" in two to three years time? Decisions, decisions, decisions 😭
good enough in the first couple years
The Battery Life who did range tests 90 km/h 444 km, 130 km/h 278 km I think and 1000 km in 10h34m. He has Plus pack with 19 inch wheels and get better range than 18 inch TeslaBjørn has. Or is this because of different weather, road/asfalt quality or soething else? Anyway, seems efficient with either wheels. Good videos by both as well, thanks!
Different weather. And I heard that he had HVAC off.
@@bjornnyland It was on most of the time for the 130km/h and about half of the time for the 90, but as you said it was a different weather, pretty much the perfect conditions for EVs and his HVAC usage was low, he used it to get a little bit of comfort rather than as a setting that stayed the same all the time so the temperatute wasn't constant, just enough to not feel unconfortable.
Isn’t the thing with Tesla and the Supercharger that it’s not missing handshakes and trouble? If the trouble is deduct from the time then that advantage is missing?
Beautiful
Hello Man,
Why don’t you try a Tesla LR RWD with caps!!!
You will have the best result of the table !!!!
Good luck
Shame we will not be able to buy one here in MI USA
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The livestream should be in this quality! :)
Okay, i guess im waiting for an used one in about 4 years.
+rep for the german title
Nice car
I still wonder why they don't use matte screens, they should be easier to read in bright sunshine also less fingerprints.
You have confused something - the car has a range of 2314 kilometers and has driven 310 kilometers so far XD
But this will only work if there are sufficient free chargers,.... not all countries are like Norway
You need to make a new 1.000km test with SR+ at a warmer weather like this. Alaways strange if there's only this cold result to compare to.
Oh man.. I so can't wait for you to test the plaid MS!
It would be nice if Fast Charging was as conveniant as he makes it in the video in United States
Usual question, heat pump? or is HVAC eco setting providing similar energy saving process in cold weather. VW EV group cars in UK don’t have heat pump as standard (Enyaq has as option), unlike my Ioniq. Very annoying when you live in Scottish Borders and are looking for car to use for longer journeys.
Hi Bjørn. This ID3 seems to be very competitive for the Norwegian market.
Have you considered to test the new MG5 EV?
Better stay in norway. If you come to portugal you would need around 3 days to do 1k km. Few open roads, just a few 50kw chargers mostly broken.
How are the lights on the standard version? (I mean, without Matrix).
You didn't do the "wax on, wax off" test 😔
A Volkswagen that under reports.. what a surprise.. Volkswagen and numbers 😂
It's actually doing better than reported.
For me it looks like very hard plastic in the interior, much more than in the Zoe. and a lot of deflexions in the displays.
Any chance you can do this again with the SR+ before winter. You said it would be faster with warmer temps as when you did it in the last it was winter.
Great video. when can you drive a Mazda mx 30?
I have no idea.
Too small screen I think should be possible to connect via iPhone or iPad
5:09 That's a lot of fingerprints on the screen!
Take a look at the e-tron (video linked in description).
other than it's the "look", do low profile tires offer less rolling resistance than higher sidewall tires?
every test, smaller rim sizes seem to be more efficient.
but is that the rim/tire combo, or is it higher profile tires are more efficient?
Rotating mass is what counts. So mainly smaller wheels being lighter equals more efficient. Sidewall height doesn't have much to do with it.
@@zedski
some don't have much difference in weight from types.
i was more wondering, do lower profile sidewalls have hiogher rolling resistance?
less sidewall flex, makes more resistance i would think.
cheap way to increaee comfort and range is to reverse the low profile trend.
If only this vehicle cost €25,000, it would be a little bit closer to being an actual people wagon.
It is actually in Germany (when one includes the incentives)
@@izpodpolja They will sell a lot of them in Germany.
Its price will probably drop over time
The base version (coming in 2021) will be about 30k. Pretty cheap
It will be Elon who will give you the VolksEwagen. But my RESPECT to VW to be the only other carmaker to have a SERIOUS go.
In Turkey, VW ID3 over GOLF diesel pays of after approx. 300.000 km. Is it same in Europe?
"falsewagon".. Okay.
I guess you don't know how to pronounce German names correctly.
How much does it cost to charge? From 0-100%
Depends on where you live and the provider of the station.
80-100% takes very long time, and is not recommended on a fast charger.
obviously you will never get a response... It may cost more to charge from home as it will take 1 whole day +
So how much km does this car do on a 100km speed highway? On a normal cold'ish a little windy Nord\West European weather?