One thing I noticed about the characters in the Dark Knight trilogy, is that they're written like philosophers. Every character delivers dialog that teaches a lesson from their own worldview. Even the Joker, with his views on chaos and rejection of morality.
i actuelly never had a problem with the batman voice cause if batman excisted in the real world the guy would try his best to change it so he won't get recognized he is bisacly a monster wearing that suit and the voice is just iconic like ask anyone to pretended to be batman cause i'm pretty sure they are gonna do the batman voice it's that iconic
It's not about Batman putting on a voice, it's about the execution being laughable on Bale's part. Plenty of Batman stories try some voice alteration, but Bale just sounds like he's got gravel in his mouth.
I’ve thought about that for years too, but I actually liked the way Ben Affleck’s Batman dealt with that better (even if they’re not necessarily better movies), the voice modulator was a cool idea. It doesn’t sound like his normal, recognizable voice, but makes it sound unrecognizable from his Bruce Wayne’s voice, without seeming overly corny and over the top
@@Hi_Just_Fred it didn’t help he gave Bruce a Batman a lisp something I have not heard bale have with his real accent while trying to do an American accent on top of the Batman voice and it is the hardest Batman voice on the throat when doing it
Almost no one has an issue with Batman changing his voice. Most interpretations of Batman do this to some extent, and some are more noticable than others. People have issues with THIS particular voice, and that's because the voice change sounds like he's mocking the idea of gravelly voices sounding tough. If Bale weren't surrounded by so many amazing actors, his Batman voice would genuinely suck the tension of the room whenever he talked. That's why people hate it. He doesn't sound intimidating, he sounds like someone trying WAY too hard to be intimidating, to the point it crosses the line into tough guy parody. Like, this doesn't sound like voice in a serious movie. It sounds like something you'd see in one of those parody "Movie" movies (like Superhero Movie or Scary Movie), in a scene where someone with a normal voice literally eats a glass of gravel, then starts speaking with this voice, all in an effort to come across as threatening.
The Dark Knight is my favorite movie of all time. It's very close to who Batman is as a character, as well as The Joker. Bale's Batman was very close to Conroy's Batman, and Ledger's Joker takes inspiration from Hamill's Joker, but in a more realistic way. The Dark Knight Trilogy as a whole is a masterpiece.
Even though they don't give the Joker an origin story, I subscribe to the belief that he was ex special forces and had a conflict with his chain of command, a work of art never to be repeated. -knows how to manipulate partizan/gang/tr1b@l/criminal underworld elements -fully trained in the use of multiple weapon systems, including an RPG -expert at planning and logistics through private civilian and paramilitary resources -trained to use explosives, used to explosives to the point where he only reacted/jumped when his charge didn't go off when he expected -knows enough about anatomy to put explosives in a guy without killing him -has witnessed/been involved in enough atrocities that he doesn't care about anything besides personal amusement and is utterly jaded and desensitized
Your critique shows an obviously deep, impassioned understanding of both the source material and the work here. It is a wholly different take on the characters and the vehicle that is The Batman franchise. I'd make the same argument about the differences between something like silverage Batman and Alan Moore's work with Bats. Or the Campy 60's TV version and Burton's. Basically, this is one of the many evolutions of this timeless material. Personally, I love the fact that our modern mythologies are comprised of living, changing, growing stories-which can encompass multiple variations.
I think I’d argue that Heath Ledger’s Joker is the only way he could be portrayed in live action. Mark Hamill’s Joker could never translate live action without seeming campy or cartoonish.
good analysis, ngl im glad for subscribing (after a video on batman TAS first episode), because you really made many accurate points i havent heard despite the movie having countless reviews. just rewatched the trilogy after some years too so lucky me. i havent had a lasting interest in comics but i'll stay on the lookout for what you'd recommend.
Good vid vee as always , I was leaving this comment tho to see if you do a series or reaction to the joker blog videos it’s actually set to be in the TDK series not canon of course but there really good and the team behind it did a good job . Hopefully you see this cheers vee
Even though Ledger's Joker is my all time favorite Joker, I objectively rank his take just barely below Mark Hamill's from the TAS and the Arkham games for the sole reason that Hamill's is more comic book accurate.
The 3rd act on the two ferries is always a bit of a lag for me with The Dark Knight. Esspecially when compared to the action set pieces earlier in the movie. Batman Begins has a better tone, look and feel for me
i love the dark knight trilogy i think the trilogy gets better with each movie, batman begins was a great start,the dark knight was even better and the dark knight rises was the best one out of the trilogy in my opinion and it was a perfect conclusion to the trilogy
I do not think THE DARK KNIGHT is history's most iconic Batman movie - which is not the same as saying I don't think it's the best Batman movie overall, even though that is indeed what I think. (The greatest of them all is still the 1989 "original," which struck just the right balance between pulp fiction and realism, and which should be studied by future comics-to-movies creators more than this film should be.) I think THE DARK KNIGHT is great, but I wouldn't call it timeless. I predict that we'll eventually think of it in the same way we think of CASABLANCA or TAXI DRIVER - a great film, but too much a product of its time to be truly transcendent. For the most iconic entry in the series, I would select either BATMAN RETURNS or BATMAN FOREVER. Again, I'm aware of all of the flaws these two films possess, but you can't accuse either of them of being unmemorable. Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher both let their imaginations run wild, which is something that every great showman should do. (Burton in particular made a profound impression on me because he showed me a world the likes of which I had never seen before, and I was already getting jaded at that young age.) And unlike Schumacher's later BATMAN & ROBIN, both of those films managed to retain at least a veneer of dark grimness, and this veneer in fact allowed the more outlandish elements to leap out all the more boisterously. After coming home from seeing BATMAN RETURNS, I immediately started drawing cartoons of the characters. I don't think THE DARK KNIGHT could have inspired me in that way.
I still say the first Batman movie is my all time favorite movie and it’s almost 60 years old cause it has my favorite Batman in it Adam west and my very first Batman movie I saw in theaters at 8 years old was Batman returns and I haven’t missed a live action Batman movie yet
maybe other movies create better atmosphere than the dark knight, but i dont think there's any that has created a better foil for batman on screen yet. it's a testament to the writing, him using inner code and attempting to do justice while not confined by the system and law, opposed by someone actively undermining the system and the very idea of human decency in society itself. batman's idea is well represented in that he's standing on the edge from disgrace - its even deeper than that someone is just trying to make him take a life, someone opposes everything he stands for, making such lasting damage that he needs to make the ultimate sacrifice - taint his perception by the people, as far as he understood then permanently. theres many flawed elements surrounding it but ultimately this is what makes it work as a movie so well, that staying true to an ideal has a price, concept not unique for this character but suited for him very well at the end of the day.
“The dark knight needs me”. I loved this movie too but of course mainly cause joker stole the whole franchise. Though like you I prefer characters to be more closer to the source material. I just wish that since everyone who didn’t read the comics or seen BTAS that heath’s joker is how joker is portrayed. Till I watched the animated series. Now every performance is trying to mimic heath instead of looking at mark hamal for the definitive joker portrayal.
At least they brought back the Ace Chemicals origin for the more recent portrayals. That origin was created in 1951, so at least three generations of comics readers have now grown up with it, and it's not something I think can be thrown out lightly.
I have a few nitpicks with "the dark knight". First off: The fighting scenes were not good. Second: Christian Bale as Batman is not a good choice. He plays a better Bruce Wayne. Heath Ledger was the best Joker though.
Personally I like everyone except this Batman movie except... Well, The Batman. It doesn't click with me, the mask, the stupid voice... And also even tho Heath Ledger's Joker seems to me to gave a lot of chemistry towards the Batsy, it's not really true the other way around. Bale seems to be confused, not understanding this Joker, he seems to be kinda unintelligent to me, to the point he has to have Alfred explain Joker's motivation to him. I don't know... Ledger's Joker is sooo vastly different from any incarnation of the character I've ever seen but anytime I look at him... I see THE Joker. Which I honestly can't say about Bale's Batman I guess it's just that this movie is sooo good that I'm even more critical towards its flaws.
I think Bale's Wayne is confused because he spent his life dealing with powerful ideologues and people of power with an organized power base, or otherwise street criminals. If the theory that Ledger's joker is ex special forces is correct, then the Joker is so jaded and desensitized from witnessing and being involved with atrocities and corruption that his chaotic and anarchic mindset is utterly alien to Wayne. He has no hope of the promise of any ideal because he would have seen them fail and taint people to the point of losing all hope or care for humanity and the world
I've always enjoyed your vids Dee, been watching since I got ya to change the "V-tard" name, but honestly telling us you're too good for this movie. It's not a Batman movie ??? Get serious guy !!! Love to see what you'd make. And if you must know my top 3 1. 89' 2. Dark Knight 3. The Batman
Batman Begins is my favorite Batman movie. I'm not a fan of Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises. The suit no longer felt like Batman, and everything feels watered down. I also hate the recast of Rachel and overall I don't like the idea of making a "realistic" Batman. I'm my opinion they ruined what they built in the first movie.
For me as much as I like heath’s joker he still does fell like the joker to me cause he lacks the nuances that make the joker such a great villain cause at least with the dark knight and the dark knight rises they didn’t really feel like Batman movies they felt like cop movies set in Gotham city with Batman throw on top just to get long time Batman fans like me to watch the movies cause Batman begins felt more like a batmovie in my opinion and i haven’t really liked the shift the trilogy does making his motivations to be Batman about Rachel instead of his parents death like every other version has been about even Adam west’s version despite how campy the show and movie was but instead making him a a guy trying to keep his childhood crush safe while trying to have one sided rivalry with Harvey
Heath's very appearance puzzled me at first. I practically went into denial when I first saw him in the costume. I thought, "That's not the Joker. That's Beetlejuice with a massive lip wound." It didn't seem right to me that the "real" Joker would look like some derelict incel's haphazard attempt to look like a clown gangster. But, then again, Joaquin Phoenix's performance showed us that a derelict incel is precisely the sort of person who would be likely to become the Joker in the first place. Not to mention that "The Man Who Laughs" - the silent movie character on whom the Joker was originally modeled - did indeed have his lips severely cut up.
@@SeasideDetective2 it was a great performance from heath but to me as a reader of the graphic novel and comics and have seen every live action depiction of the joker he just lacked the nuance that makes the joker the joker cause the joker has done something’s in the graphic novels I just can’t see heath’s depiction doing like showing up to Barbra’s apartment and shooting her after she opens the door then kidnapping her father and stripping him naked and locking him in a cage for example
@@kevin10001 personal headcanon for heath's joker that i've heard somewhere long ago, is that he's some disillusioned soldier who really didn't fit in society and embraced his bloodthirstiness, driving other towards idea they'd be no better once put through enough. it's really very ordinary and plausible interpretation to me, and from what i heard about apocalypse now it might be based off character from that even. in a way i agree that this joker didn't specifically need to be a "joker", he's more of about turning the violence that the politicians allowed and saw useful for warring, against those same people, in service of something like justice, except he untimately just does it for the experience and catharsis only for himself.
@@igrazm2437 that would work if he showed any military training in the movie even if they didn’t explicitly mention that he was a solder also I understand that this trilogy is supposed to be a more realistic take on Batman’s world but they dropped the ball translating the characters for this take on the characters not just with the joker it’s even evident with bane in the dark knight rises also
I'm with you, as a huge Batman fan, I don't like the dark knight trilogy except begins. Rises is just as awful, I rather watch, Batman and Robin than that. When I went to the theater to watch the dark knight, I honestly didn't like because I'm a huge BTAS fan I was so used to that batman and joker dynamic. This movie is not a masterpiece, I find it kind of similar to Micheal Mann's heat. I just say, I think heath's death elevated the movie to it's success and dare anyone who didn't like it. After all these years I still don't link because it doesn't feel like a batman movie. Begins is the best out of the trilogy, and finally batman's costume and voice it just awful here. One year later batman Arkham asylum so it was hard coming back to these versions of batman and joker.
Maybe it's just me, but the whole "bat nipple suit" is such a stupid thing to bring up over and over like it's the defining criticism of the movie. It's not even so much a critique as it is an attempt to reduce the movie to a meme. I know art is subjective but the way the internet acts about it you'd think they gave him a giant batdick instead.
And it’s to long also the who two-face part should have been saved for the next movie cause it’s a waste of the character to have him for a few minutes then dead
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One thing I noticed about the characters in the Dark Knight trilogy, is that they're written like philosophers. Every character delivers dialog that teaches a lesson from their own worldview. Even the Joker, with his views on chaos and rejection of morality.
i actuelly never had a problem with the batman voice cause if batman excisted in the real world the guy would try his best to change it so he won't get recognized he is bisacly a monster wearing that suit and the voice is just iconic like ask anyone to pretended to be batman cause i'm pretty sure they are gonna do the batman voice it's that iconic
It's not about Batman putting on a voice, it's about the execution being laughable on Bale's part.
Plenty of Batman stories try some voice alteration, but Bale just sounds like he's got gravel in his mouth.
I’ve thought about that for years too, but I actually liked the way Ben Affleck’s Batman dealt with that better (even if they’re not necessarily better movies), the voice modulator was a cool idea. It doesn’t sound like his normal, recognizable voice, but makes it sound unrecognizable from his Bruce Wayne’s voice, without seeming overly corny and over the top
@@Hi_Just_Fred it didn’t help he gave Bruce a Batman a lisp something I have not heard bale have with his real accent while trying to do an American accent on top of the Batman voice and it is the hardest Batman voice on the throat when doing it
Almost no one has an issue with Batman changing his voice. Most interpretations of Batman do this to some extent, and some are more noticable than others. People have issues with THIS particular voice, and that's because the voice change sounds like he's mocking the idea of gravelly voices sounding tough. If Bale weren't surrounded by so many amazing actors, his Batman voice would genuinely suck the tension of the room whenever he talked. That's why people hate it. He doesn't sound intimidating, he sounds like someone trying WAY too hard to be intimidating, to the point it crosses the line into tough guy parody. Like, this doesn't sound like voice in a serious movie. It sounds like something you'd see in one of those parody "Movie" movies (like Superhero Movie or Scary Movie), in a scene where someone with a normal voice literally eats a glass of gravel, then starts speaking with this voice, all in an effort to come across as threatening.
I heard from someone that bale sounded like he was just trying to impersonate himself, getting more and more goofy as the movies went on.
It holds up better than the Avengers to me with the real city shots and practical effects. Pacing is a little off but a fantastic film.
Exactly -- "different" doesn't necessarily mean better or worse, and each iteration will be its own thing. Well done. Thank you
The Dark Knight is my favorite movie of all time. It's very close to who Batman is as a character, as well as The Joker. Bale's Batman was very close to Conroy's Batman, and Ledger's Joker takes inspiration from Hamill's Joker, but in a more realistic way. The Dark Knight Trilogy as a whole is a masterpiece.
Even though they don't give the Joker an origin story, I subscribe to the belief that he was ex special forces and had a conflict with his chain of command, a work of art never to be repeated.
-knows how to manipulate partizan/gang/tr1b@l/criminal underworld elements
-fully trained in the use of multiple weapon systems, including an RPG
-expert at planning and logistics through private civilian and paramilitary resources
-trained to use explosives, used to explosives to the point where he only reacted/jumped when his charge didn't go off when he expected
-knows enough about anatomy to put explosives in a guy without killing him
-has witnessed/been involved in enough atrocities that he doesn't care about anything besides personal amusement and is utterly jaded and desensitized
Glad you’re still putting stuff out Vee. Dig it all.
This one and the 1989 Batman movies are my favorite Batman movies.
The Dark Knight is the greatest Superhero movie of all time
The third one is my favourite of the trilogy, so apparently The Dark Knight needs me!!
Your critique shows an obviously deep, impassioned understanding of both the source material and the work here. It is a wholly different take on the characters and the vehicle that is The Batman franchise. I'd make the same argument about the differences between something like silverage Batman and Alan Moore's work with Bats. Or the Campy 60's TV version and Burton's. Basically, this is one of the many evolutions of this timeless material.
Personally, I love the fact that our modern mythologies are comprised of living, changing, growing stories-which can encompass multiple variations.
Just starting watching again
I think I’d argue that Heath Ledger’s Joker is the only way he could be portrayed in live action. Mark Hamill’s Joker could never translate live action without seeming campy or cartoonish.
I would still like a mix of the Burton and Nolan vision for a future Batman movie
can you do a video on Gotham’s Jim Gordon? 🦇🦇🔥
“The Dark Knight needs me”
It is a incredible movie, but that goddam batman voice reaaaaaallly bothers me
Facts I just wish his Batman had voice modulation 🦇🔥
good analysis, ngl im glad for subscribing (after a video on batman TAS first episode), because you really made many accurate points i havent heard despite the movie having countless reviews. just rewatched the trilogy after some years too so lucky me. i havent had a lasting interest in comics but i'll stay on the lookout for what you'd recommend.
The Dark Nignt is my favorite movie for all time! Heath Ledgeris the best Joker for all the time.
! Thank you
the dark night is a perfect 5/7 movie
The Dark Knight needs me
Im sorry but you are out of your flipping mind if you think this is more iconic than bat shark repellant lol
Best Batman film ever. MASK OF THE PHANTASM pales in comparison
The dark knight is peak 🦇🔥
The Dark Knight needs me.
Good vid vee as always , I was leaving this comment tho to see if you do a series or reaction to the joker blog videos it’s actually set to be in the TDK series not canon of course but there really good and the team behind it did a good job . Hopefully you see this cheers vee
Love The Dark Knight. Criminal it wasn't nominated for Best Picture and Best Director at the Academy Awards. Robbed of both.
The hype around this movie was huge, and I think part of that was because Heath Ledger passed away shortly after filming.
Even though Ledger's Joker is my all time favorite Joker, I objectively rank his take just barely below Mark Hamill's from the TAS and the Arkham games for the sole reason that Hamill's is more comic book accurate.
The dark knight needs me!
The dark knight needs me
Yes, please make a video on rises
The 3rd act on the two ferries is always a bit of a lag for me with The Dark Knight. Esspecially when compared to the action set pieces earlier in the movie. Batman Begins has a better tone, look and feel for me
i love the dark knight trilogy i think the trilogy gets better with each movie, batman begins was a great start,the dark knight was even better and the dark knight rises was the best one out of the trilogy in my opinion and it was a perfect conclusion to the trilogy
I do not think THE DARK KNIGHT is history's most iconic Batman movie - which is not the same as saying I don't think it's the best Batman movie overall, even though that is indeed what I think. (The greatest of them all is still the 1989 "original," which struck just the right balance between pulp fiction and realism, and which should be studied by future comics-to-movies creators more than this film should be.) I think THE DARK KNIGHT is great, but I wouldn't call it timeless. I predict that we'll eventually think of it in the same way we think of CASABLANCA or TAXI DRIVER - a great film, but too much a product of its time to be truly transcendent.
For the most iconic entry in the series, I would select either BATMAN RETURNS or BATMAN FOREVER. Again, I'm aware of all of the flaws these two films possess, but you can't accuse either of them of being unmemorable. Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher both let their imaginations run wild, which is something that every great showman should do. (Burton in particular made a profound impression on me because he showed me a world the likes of which I had never seen before, and I was already getting jaded at that young age.) And unlike Schumacher's later BATMAN & ROBIN, both of those films managed to retain at least a veneer of dark grimness, and this veneer in fact allowed the more outlandish elements to leap out all the more boisterously. After coming home from seeing BATMAN RETURNS, I immediately started drawing cartoons of the characters. I don't think THE DARK KNIGHT could have inspired me in that way.
I still say the first Batman movie is my all time favorite movie and it’s almost 60 years old cause it has my favorite Batman in it Adam west and my very first Batman movie I saw in theaters at 8 years old was Batman returns and I haven’t missed a live action Batman movie yet
maybe other movies create better atmosphere than the dark knight, but i dont think there's any that has created a better foil for batman on screen yet. it's a testament to the writing, him using inner code and attempting to do justice while not confined by the system and law, opposed by someone actively undermining the system and the very idea of human decency in society itself. batman's idea is well represented in that he's standing on the edge from disgrace - its even deeper than that someone is just trying to make him take a life, someone opposes everything he stands for, making such lasting damage that he needs to make the ultimate sacrifice - taint his perception by the people, as far as he understood then permanently. theres many flawed elements surrounding it but ultimately this is what makes it work as a movie so well, that staying true to an ideal has a price, concept not unique for this character but suited for him very well at the end of the day.
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“The dark knight needs me”.
I loved this movie too but of course mainly cause joker stole the whole franchise. Though like you I prefer characters to be more closer to the source material. I just wish that since everyone who didn’t read the comics or seen BTAS that heath’s joker is how joker is portrayed. Till I watched the animated series. Now every performance is trying to mimic heath instead of looking at mark hamal for the definitive joker portrayal.
At least they brought back the Ace Chemicals origin for the more recent portrayals. That origin was created in 1951, so at least three generations of comics readers have now grown up with it, and it's not something I think can be thrown out lightly.
I have a few nitpicks with "the dark knight". First off: The fighting scenes were not good. Second: Christian Bale as Batman is not a good choice. He plays a better Bruce Wayne. Heath Ledger was the best Joker though.
Personally I like everyone except this Batman movie except... Well, The Batman. It doesn't click with me, the mask, the stupid voice... And also even tho Heath Ledger's Joker seems to me to gave a lot of chemistry towards the Batsy, it's not really true the other way around. Bale seems to be confused, not understanding this Joker, he seems to be kinda unintelligent to me, to the point he has to have Alfred explain Joker's motivation to him. I don't know...
Ledger's Joker is sooo vastly different from any incarnation of the character I've ever seen but anytime I look at him... I see THE Joker. Which I honestly can't say about Bale's Batman
I guess it's just that this movie is sooo good that I'm even more critical towards its flaws.
I think Bale's Wayne is confused because he spent his life dealing with powerful ideologues and people of power with an organized power base, or otherwise street criminals. If the theory that Ledger's joker is ex special forces is correct, then the Joker is so jaded and desensitized from witnessing and being involved with atrocities and corruption that his chaotic and anarchic mindset is utterly alien to Wayne. He has no hope of the promise of any ideal because he would have seen them fail and taint people to the point of losing all hope or care for humanity and the world
I've always enjoyed your vids Dee, been watching since I got ya to change the "V-tard" name, but honestly telling us you're too good for this movie. It's not a Batman movie ??? Get serious guy !!! Love to see what you'd make. And if you must know my top 3
1. 89'
2. Dark Knight
3. The Batman
Batman Begins is my favorite Batman movie. I'm not a fan of Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises. The suit no longer felt like Batman, and everything feels watered down. I also hate the recast of Rachel and overall I don't like the idea of making a "realistic" Batman. I'm my opinion they ruined what they built in the first movie.
For me as much as I like heath’s joker he still does fell like the joker to me cause he lacks the nuances that make the joker such a great villain cause at least with the dark knight and the dark knight rises they didn’t really feel like Batman movies they felt like cop movies set in Gotham city with Batman throw on top just to get long time Batman fans like me to watch the movies cause Batman begins felt more like a batmovie in my opinion and i haven’t really liked the shift the trilogy does making his motivations to be Batman about Rachel instead of his parents death like every other version has been about even Adam west’s version despite how campy the show and movie was but instead making him a a guy trying to keep his childhood crush safe while trying to have one sided rivalry with Harvey
Heaths joker is victor zsasz in face paint, obsession with his scars, wanna know why I use a knife monologue
Heath's very appearance puzzled me at first. I practically went into denial when I first saw him in the costume. I thought, "That's not the Joker. That's Beetlejuice with a massive lip wound." It didn't seem right to me that the "real" Joker would look like some derelict incel's haphazard attempt to look like a clown gangster. But, then again, Joaquin Phoenix's performance showed us that a derelict incel is precisely the sort of person who would be likely to become the Joker in the first place. Not to mention that "The Man Who Laughs" - the silent movie character on whom the Joker was originally modeled - did indeed have his lips severely cut up.
@@SeasideDetective2 it was a great performance from heath but to me as a reader of the graphic novel and comics and have seen every live action depiction of the joker he just lacked the nuance that makes the joker the joker cause the joker has done something’s in the graphic novels I just can’t see heath’s depiction doing like showing up to Barbra’s apartment and shooting her after she opens the door then kidnapping her father and stripping him naked and locking him in a cage for example
@@kevin10001 personal headcanon for heath's joker that i've heard somewhere long ago, is that he's some disillusioned soldier who really didn't fit in society and embraced his bloodthirstiness, driving other towards idea they'd be no better once put through enough. it's really very ordinary and plausible interpretation to me, and from what i heard about apocalypse now it might be based off character from that even. in a way i agree that this joker didn't specifically need to be a "joker", he's more of about turning the violence that the politicians allowed and saw useful for warring, against those same people, in service of something like justice, except he untimately just does it for the experience and catharsis only for himself.
@@igrazm2437 that would work if he showed any military training in the movie even if they didn’t explicitly mention that he was a solder also I understand that this trilogy is supposed to be a more realistic take on Batman’s world but they dropped the ball translating the characters for this take on the characters not just with the joker it’s even evident with bane in the dark knight rises also
I'm with you, as a huge Batman fan, I don't like the dark knight trilogy except begins. Rises is just as awful, I rather watch, Batman and Robin than that.
When I went to the theater to watch the dark knight, I honestly didn't like because I'm a huge BTAS fan I was so used to that batman and joker dynamic. This movie is not a masterpiece, I find it kind of similar to Micheal Mann's heat.
I just say, I think heath's death elevated the movie to it's success and dare anyone who didn't like it.
After all these years I still don't link because it doesn't feel like a batman movie. Begins is the best out of the trilogy, and finally batman's costume and voice it just awful here.
One year later batman Arkham asylum so it was hard coming back to these versions of batman and joker.
the most iconic, not the best.
The Joker was the good guy in the film who made Gotham a better place.
Anyone else close their eyes and visualize the BTAS versions of the characters in the closing?
Maybe it's just me, but the whole "bat nipple suit" is such a stupid thing to bring up over and over like it's the defining criticism of the movie. It's not even so much a critique as it is an attempt to reduce the movie to a meme. I know art is subjective but the way the internet acts about it you'd think they gave him a giant batdick instead.
Exactly they never really bothered me and still don’t bother me on any rewatch of those movies
Movie blows it was great when it came out, but it does not hold up so many mistakes terrible editing not a good flow at all
And it’s to long also the who two-face part should have been saved for the next movie cause it’s a waste of the character to have him for a few minutes then dead
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Bet you'd make a masterpiece right??? No...then stfu !
the dark knight needs me