Jordan Peterson ~ Deceiving Yourself Brings Punishment
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- Jordan Peterson ~ Deceiving Yourself Brings Punishment
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words reveal the persona
emotions reveal the ego
actions reveal the self
This comment reveals an idiot.
I'm not sure if that's true. I mean what you think will influence your actions and emotions. How you feel emotionally, it will influence greatly your thoughts and actions. And how you act will influence, or in other words: predicate your thoughts (what you think) and your emotions (how you feel).
@@sourcescience I would hesitate to trust this as well, I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about.
@@sourcescience ironic how you used "this" rather than "that"
@Dr. RMX a revealing reply indeed.
Honesty is always the best policy. Lies, omitting facts, fabricating details means the relationship is meaningless as it's not based on reality.
Manipulations only work on people who fundamentally don't want to see what is real/true. It's possible to deceive one who has their head buried in the sand.
But even dimwitted people who are honest with themselves and have learned not to overlook the still small voice inside them will catch on to the most clever and careful manipulations.
A lie is like a hydra, tell one and you have to tell two more just to cover. Eventually it becomes impossible to keep it up. One because you can't remember everything you said and keep your story straight, two because truth leaks in from other sources, but thirdly because when a lie grows big enough; the inherent contradictions become impossible to hide!
The talk perfectly relates to the experience I had during quarantine:
If you leave your work and dont attend it, as your morality would command you to, *you leave out the meaning in your life and that meaning is necessary to withstand the inevitable suffering thats part of life. If you dont have meaning to make the suffering worthwhile, you will become vengeful and bitter by suffering meaninglessly.* Hence! Morality rules supreme and hence, you have to keep trying to be a good person, you have to keep trying to affirm life*
5:02 Definition of truth ...OBSERVABLE facts that repeat
You could call that the basis of a justifiable belief, or theory.
Every scientific theory is a testable model _based on how things behave_ that is taken to be functionally the same as knowledge.
It's the best we've got. We can't see more. We still assume the truth of what we 'know.' We are flying on instruments.
Fuck deceiving myself so I won’t hurt. Build yourself up. Get strong. Love yourself. Face reality right then and there so it won’t hurt you badly at the end. Life goes on very smoothly for you after you do that. If you truly like and love yourself and keep moving, it’s great. Experience talking. When I finally woke up to who I was and what I deserved my reality changed. It’s empowering. It’s addicting. You can’t be relaxed in like 24/7. It’ll hit you. Always work on yourself. Put that effort in constantly. Like I said you will get hurt. But it won’t last long and it won’t sting as much if you’re prepared. You’ll hit it with a KO and move on. I use to hate the term “ life goes on”. It felt insulting, unhelpful. I took it as “ you suck, but move on”. What it means to me now is life goes on. New opportunities, new friends, relationships, experiences. A new way to enjoy your shine in something that could be possibly even better than what you thought you were attached to.
Good for you man
are there any topics that helped you achieve that state of mind that you would recommend ?
“What’s immoral are those things you could change that you do that result in outcomes that are catastrophic for you”
I actually wrote this down in my notebook
people who are a-moral will throw morals in your face literally. no joke.
True because they are trying to hide their immorality.
Literally huh
@@floresdta i taught special needs foster care abused children no joke literally. had johns who turned her in they had better morals. the child was 5 yrs old.
narcissists always will use your morals and values against you but for their benefit. They have none for themselves though. How convenient.
Cowards hide there cowardice behind morality
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome each time.” Based…
Man! Gap out for a minute and miss a whole lifes worth of wisdom....
Pay Attention Man-JP
Immoral acts will inevitably come back to bite one's butt. Karma.
Powerful Truth …. Thank you so much for your insight and clarity. I concur with your perspective . We can repair what is wrong, Immoral things are the things you can change… we will what we value, that’s reality.
Actions, Conception, and Outcome.….the deception brings it’s own punishment, and effects you and those around you… so Good. Thank you for all that you share….filled with Gratitude.
Needed to hear this. A wake up call to move!
Jesus Harold Farmer John Christ!! NHL level intellectualism.
Intellectualism is not a good thing.
@@TheodoraKimmelHello Not for you I imagine Theodora.
So true.
The concept of subjective truth is, literally, the undoing of society. If I can proclaim a thing to be true, and that truth requires nothing more than my claim, then no other version of truth has any more value than the mere claim, and there is no way to negotiate the things that are objectively real compared to subjectively real.
In a world of plenty, where hardship is unknown, this might be fine. But, in a world where we have to build things and grow things and repair things in order to maintain our lives, this is a catastrophic mistake. If I say, "Turn that handle left, or we're all going to die," and your version of "left" is subjective, then we're all going to die.
Physics doesn't care about your perception.
No. I don't think what you say is how it is. I think you have 3 sets of truths. 1st: The universe's truth that we all observe. 2nd: society's truth that are based on the things we collectively observed from the universe, from watching society and watching how and what each individual is doing and what their own truths are. 3rd: individual truth. And the individual observers their own truth as well as from society and they also know things from the universe.
Now since nobody is perfect its inevitable to make mistakes sometimes when observing or when you make your truths. So what society is considering truth, some of it can be false. And it's funny because the universe don't care what society or the individual thinks it's true, because it's the universe's truth the real and hard truth. Also what the individual feels or knows or learns truth can come from the universe and then he or she can challenge the society's truth because it might be false. Now that works vice versa with society's truth. But you can't argue with the universe's truth.
@@feltuzok here's why that's all new-aged bullshit...
Two guys walk up to a thing. One guy says, "You see that thing? It seems to have these characteristics." The second guy says, "I don't see anything, and thus cannot agree on any of those characteristics."
See? Anything OTHER than objective reality has no meaningful way to even discuss. Words don't even have meaning within the context of subjective reality. Language is a literally impossibility.
See, everyone actually agrees with objective reality. It's some form of mental masturbation to pretend otherwise. Objective reality is how we deal with every single thing in life, from solving our immediate needs for food, water and shelter to organizing society's longterm goals. Everywhere you see an attempt to bring subjective reality into it, you find intrinsic conflict, because suddenly some prick can start making claims that nobody else can substantiate, and he insists that everyone else pretend that they're true.
Sound familiar?
Look around, at all of the really shitty things that really shitty people are up to. A LOT of them rely on some form of subjective reality to get people to to go along with them.
To be a human is to lie. We lie about our true instincts all the time.
True that for sure!!! Amen 🙏
Amazing.
Boggles the mind
So this is a great video but is there a follow up on like what to do about it or how to go about it. I know clean your room or start taking responsibility but what does that all feel like lol
Just try it out.
Once you experience being useful you will most likely want to stay useful.
Start by cleaning up your room by the time you read this!
6:27 wow
You are either oriented towards the Truth. Or not. It’s yet another way to describe the human dichotomy, binary nature of existence. Perhaps the most important one!
3:06 did l ever tell you the definition of insanity
Thou shalt not lie to thyself.
The forgotten 11th commandment.
Wow I loved this video. Helps me understand why people act the way they act
I agree and miss this guy alot. I just want to point out that there is one exception to what he said here, namely, that immoral actions are inevitably punished but there can be a nontrivial delay between when the immoral act was prosecuted and when the punishment is exacted. This delay can be longer than the lifespan of the people who commit the immoral act. Also the justice can be falsely apportioned and appropriated. While I don't think (and I hope) that these situations are the exception, they can effectively mean that some people can get away with immoral acts and some people can be the victims of immoral acts but since the people doing those acts don't know or think they are committing the immoral acts, they in fact will get away with them. I like to think that in these exceptional cases, the conscience of the people who know they are guilty of something is perhaps sufficient punishment in lieu of them not getting caught...unless they are psychopathic.
Amen.
Just remember that he is explaining the concepts/ideas of other people. Even if he agrees with that, he is not really "expressing his opinions" in this videos, because this is an excerpt of a class he is teaching about Existentialism.
But, even so, the idea that "there will be a punishment for immoral actions" actually requires that there is an inherent definition of what morality is, making it a "relative concept", or making morality a relative thing. In the sense of what he is explaining in the video, we can only know what "immorality" is after we "connect the dots", or establish a sequence of events, and observe that the outcome was incongruent with the initial intentions of a certain action. And another problem is defining who are the "elements" in the complex structure, because, as you also pointed out, there can be a "nontrivial delay between when the immoral act was prosecuted and when the punishment is exacted", and "justice can be falsely apportioned and appropriated", things which, in other words, mean that an individual or groups of individuals can perform actions that would publicly be regarded as atrocious and "immoral" by other individuals in the social structure they belong to, but they don´t personally "pay the price". So, the "immoral action" would simply be immoral in the broader sense, when you take into account "bad consequences" to the social group, or to the individual´s descendants, or a multitude of other "innocent" individuals who are then paying the "moral price" in a way or another (like hundreds of millions of people keep constantly "paying the price" by being harassed at airports, due to the actual actions of a handful of people - those who drove the planes in 9/11. Just as an example.).
@Regulus *conscience
Maybe!
Life, on this plane of reality, is 'bootcamp' for our soul or spiritual essence........or so it would seem?
😁
Something approximating that.
Peterson's lectures are always excellent. I'm very curious though, which existentialists did he have in mind for this talk? I've been trying to place which thinker his descriptions might match, but I'm a bit at a loss. I heard a Nietzsche bit, but then there're statements of morality and reducing potential suffering which I'm not too sure about.
Sounds a bit like Paul Sartre
6:24 delusion & then the delusion abuses & then there is never one victim = terror
The problem is that I am deceiving myself by not addressing things to save the other from the hard truth
It's not your job to save others.....And especially not to let their immorality drag you down with them.
You are doing both a disservice.
You’re not saving anyone, only buying time at the cost of it being worse in the future than it would be now
If you 'save' others from the truth, you're not saving them.
@Psychonaut yeah well theres a saying ' he who laughs last laughs best ' and I see into your mindscape your probably going to be the only one laughing. At your own joke no less, or was it venomous spewing. Go wash your teeth.
Normalcy . You start a brand new job , in a foreign place , and the only one you know of is the the person who hired you and the receptionist . You're naturally nervous , timid , but you don't wear it on your sleeve . You take the time to warm up to everyone , your colleagues .
Is the existential representation of causal connection akin to karma?
Guess so
So few of us have been taught truth; universal law/ right from wrong/ moral law.
Go read Proverbs in the Holy Bible
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Numbers, Deuteronomy are also good places to find wrong vs right
So how do I align my beliefs with my words and actions so the don’t contradict each other?
Say what you mean, mean what you say.
VERY DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH THIS GUY!
WOW....DO GLAD I CAN G TO COLLEGE, WITHOUT GOING TO COLLEGE LOL....... SERIOUSLY THO I'VE FELT N HAVE FIGURED ALOTTA THIS OUT BUT HE SURE DOES FILL THE BETWEENS LOL...THANX
I wouldn't follow existentialism blindly, as it has its own shortcomings. Aside from any pathological behaviour, there is a part of life, which is irrational, in the sense of transcendental. And if you're an existentialist zealot you might hit a big invisible wall in your life at some point.
Yeah but I just can't connect thoghts- actions. I mean I can do some, but some just don't work. I mean they do, but it's hard. And I can't even really connect thoghts-reality because they break away If you think of one thing for too long. It's a bit of a probleme actually.
I would like to hear a critical objection to this in the comments rather than these swarms of supporters. I think it dampens my mind and makes it soft.
4:39
does he say "there is a CULMINALITY underneath that"? if yes, i cannot find this word in dictionaries.
I think he said COMMONALITY
Just be yourself . You're in a place with like minded people . Individuality is craved here . If you like playing basketball in dress shoes , wear them , I wouldn't recommend it because sprung ankles , oh Lawd! Catch my drift ? Let's float .
My Questions is: Will we still be able to decieve ourselves for Fun? Sexual Fantasies, Alcohol, Drugs, etc... If we keep those things in moderation, i think it could still be fun to do it sometimes, knowing its just an illusion. Like going to a magic show... Or will all of it be gone in the Future? It seems a bit boring... xD
Peterson is far more logical and honest than Ravi Zacharias, who has no structure but BELIEVE !!!!
How is Peterson more logical? Ravi Zacharias speaks of origin (where life came from), meaning (why we are here), morality (how we ought to live), and destiny. This basically covers all the same categories, albeit with differences where Zacharias takes Bible narrative at face value.
Ravi Zacharias was a great example of being self- deceived.
He was, in many ways, a type of actor, sadly.
Who suffered most is his wife and his children. That was catastrophic deception.
Um..please excuse me while I retrieve my jaw from the floor.
As time passed , many calendars thrown away , you are now seasoned . It's a good business , just be yourself , is what you tell the next rookie . You've told the corny jokes and laughed all by yourself , but everyone has . Sigh .😏
Oh yeah , just call me Grandfather son .
Today were thinking of a comedy to write .
The Teutonic pagan notion of Troth.
For as Long as misery malice pain suffering Ignorance and human subjugation are of this Earth there will be use for my writings... A book of poetry coming Expect me expect me. Can you will thank me much much later.
I mean, this can be taken to extreme levels. Like never drinking a soda again, cause its bad for your health. How far will we go? xD
PLEASE EVERYONE !!
DON’T LISTEN TO PETERSON… LISTEN TO SPURGEON ( audio here on RUclips)
Those a tieef a liar wy steeli g my personal objet my life my destiny and ofter mckingme is thsth bad breath and exposeme to the worild ofter make money luke some one of no use. Is thah bad breath or a liar afair under cover
I can believe Jordan Peterson is perpetuating that bullshit statement of “insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result”. That isn’t fucking true and doesn’t even make sense. It shocks me a guy like him would say that.
I reckon he's drawing upon the grain of truth within a factually incorrect but still inexplicable popular statement. Perhaps in drawing on it, he's also identifying the reason for it inexplicable popularity.
When the Jehova Witnesses won't return your call......go Fishing.
o7
Is Trump “bumping into reality”?
Nah, reality is bumping into him
@@christophersurnname9967 Haha That's a good one! I'll borrow it from you indefinitely
So pretty much, you need to be strong enough to be corrupt and lie to yourself. It would be immoral to do otherwise.
No that’s delusional . You clearly have not got the point it’s about not deceiving yourself or lying to yourself or there . You will never get away with the consequences . You clearly have not understood what he’s on about dude . Watch it again . He’s not telling you to deceive or lie to yourself or others .
-50IQ
You need to act morally so you stay strong enough so the suffering that's part of your life doesn't corrupt you. If you act immorally and deceive yourself, you ll become weak and become corrupted
@@nukepizzaa love your explanation thank you.
@@raewynurwin4256 thank you Raewyn, that really makes me happy