While I always hated these flashbacks for the massive inconsistencies (Sophia's mom not speaking Italian, previous storylines being rewritten) I did always get a kick out of the appearance of Young Dorothy. Greatest guest casting in the entire show.
Yeah, I guess Sophia and her siblings, Angela and Angelo, all inherited the shortness of their father. I just have a hard time picturing Sophia's parents consummating their marriage. 😆
Eleanor Grisanti! LOL! I still think it's funny that in this sequence, Dorothy is supposed to be in her late-20's/early-30's, but in another episode she said her grandmother "died when I was six!" when she was talking about her to Rose. 🤣🤣
Yeah, the time lines on TGG were absolutely atrocious. Dorothy was 17 or 18 when she gave birth to Michael, yet in one episode, he was 30 (that would have made her only 47 or 48), and in the next episode, he was 23 (that would have made her 40)! As for Blanche, over the seasons, her daughters and grandchildren kept getting younger and younger.
@@am74343 yes I remember Dorothy telling rose her grandmother was 92 years old when she was 6 years old.yet when the show debuted in 1985 Sophia was 80 years old.how old was Dorothys grandmother when she gave birth to Sophia 60?also Dorothy said that her daughter Kate was a little girl during world war two.there were two episodes that Kate was on.both actresses could not have been more than 30 years old.dorothy also states that she gave stan who virginity before he left for korea.yet she states Kate was a little girl during world war two.dorothy also states she was a child during the depression.then in season six I think she is stated as being fifty five years old.she experienced no depression years then.
@@nassauguy48 yes the first episode Michael was in he was 29 years old.the second episode he was in I think he was 23 years old.then the third episode he was 30 years old.in the second episode that Kate Dorothys daughter is in it is explained that she has no children Yet in season five Dorothy said she was Christmas shopping for the grandchildren.what grandchildren?
I love the flashbacks because the woman who plays young Dorothy actually has the mannerisms and talks like the older version while Bea Arthur playing The grandmother actually feels like a different character and not her Dorothy role 👌🏾
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it stated in episodes prior to this that Sophia's mother was already dead when Sophia was even younger? Dorothy had said in a few episodes earlier that she was six years old when Sophia's mother died. Also, in one prior to that one, Angelo (Sophia's brother) said that he was only young when his mother was on her death bed, and Angelo is older than Sophia.
Over the GG's seven seasons, there were a number of different writers and apparently the show didn't keep a strict "consistency journal' of the characters' backgrounds, etc., so details were inconsistent. Another example is in one episode, it took the women three days to travel to St. Olaf, but in another episode, someone visiting from St. Olaf arrived in Miami in less than a day.
You are correct. I always refer to it as the many deaths of Sophia's mother. Here they are in order: Season 3 episode "My Brother, My Father" - Sophia says she promised her mother on her death bed that she'd marry Benito, the town's organ grinder monkey hat manufacturer, which means she died before Dorothy was born. Season 3 episode "Mother's Day" - Sophia wants her mother to move in with her and Sal, and Dorothy is a young adult. Season 4 episode "The Days and Nights of Sophia Petrillo" - Dorothy says her Grandmother (definitely Sophia's mother, so you can't use the argument that maybe it's her other grandmother) was something like 97 when she was a child, and died sometime around then. So yeah, that's always been a big inconsistency.
Even rose's background has inconsistencies.in the very first episode she says that charlie her husband died fifteen years ago.yet later on in the first season she says she is 55 years old and charlie has been dead for 5 years.then in that episode where they get that black lady as their housekeeper and they fear she has magic powers.rose says one Christmas during the depression she got a block of coal.then in another episode rose in one of her st. Olaf stories talks about this lady beautician and the prices she charged and blanche says "that much".and Dorothy says "it's back in the depression".well if rose was like 55 years old when the series began.how much of the depression did she live and experience.
The time lines were horrendous. I heard it was because there were so many different writers who never consulted the earlier scripts to keep the show consistent.
True. This is my favorite show all my life but there was several discrepancies.....hiw could michael only be 22 in the episode he got married? The show was soooooo wonderful....but they didn't keep a concordance of years. Even one episode said blanche's middle name was Elizabeth.....but the episode with her mammy....it was Marie......
Not to mention, this episode is the last episode of season 3, and in an earlier episode, "My Brother, My Father", Angelo and Sophia both recall promises they made to their mother on her deathbed, which means she died before Dorothy was born. And then, in the second episode of season 4, "The Days and Nights of Sophia Petrillo", Dorothy says her Grandmother died when she was a kid. I double checked to be sure, but it's definitely Sophia's mother each time.
Yes a lot of inconsistencies.dorothy said that her grandmother died when she was 6.well how old was she when she had Sophia and how old was Sophia when she had dorothy.this episode was in the 1950s and Dorothy does not look six years old.dorothy said in one episode her daughter Kate was a little girl during world war two.yet in two episodes Kate is a young woman.by the 1980s she would have been over forty.
Just like in the first episode Michael was in he was 29 years old.then in the second episode when he married that black woman he was supposed to be like 23.then in an episode in 1990 he is like 30.inconsistencies.
@@eugenekozma2697 that's actually one of the biggest inconsistencies in the show. Especially because the reason Dorothy married Stan was because he got her pregnant, with Michael, and then they divorced after 38 years, so Michael would have to be in his early 40s in the episode where he married Lorraine.
I'm more impress with the actress who plays young Dorothy...she nailed the way Bea Arthur moved.
While I always hated these flashbacks for the massive inconsistencies (Sophia's mom not speaking Italian, previous storylines being rewritten) I did always get a kick out of the appearance of Young Dorothy. Greatest guest casting in the entire show.
@@pouetpouetdaddy5 I enjoyed Lynnie Greene too as Dorothy.
@@jakelover1731 yes I thought that Lynnie Greene as young Dorothy was inspired casting.
absolutely her mannerisms and everything great acting
"I can see where we are and it could stand a good vacuum."
The actress playing Dorothy did a really good job, she came prepared!
So Dorothy got her height from her grandmother 😂
Yeah, I guess Sophia and her siblings, Angela and Angelo, all inherited the shortness of their father. I just have a hard time picturing Sophia's parents consummating their marriage. 😆
My father is 6'4 and I get my height from his mother...4'11. It happens. lol.
Bea Arthur is my all time favorite FDR.
Your Favorite Frank Delano Roosevelt?
In other versions, there's an inside hallway, but I do wonder how Dorothy got the wheelchair up the stoop steps?
"Picture it, Sicily, 1881" 😅
"...A beautiful, young peasant girl..."
@@am74343 "Mama not another story!"
@@BladeZero238 “Sophia, come closer.” 👋🏼
Whoever played young Dorothy was NOT paid enough.
I love how even Sophia got sick of her mom's stories like how Dorothy did with Sophia.
Like mother, like daughter
“Could you put that in writing?” 😂
Eleanor Grisanti! LOL!
I still think it's funny that in this sequence, Dorothy is supposed to be in her late-20's/early-30's, but in another episode she said her grandmother "died when I was six!" when she was talking about her to Rose. 🤣🤣
Yeah, the time lines on TGG were absolutely atrocious. Dorothy was 17 or 18 when she gave birth to Michael, yet in one episode, he was 30 (that would have made her only 47 or 48), and in the next episode, he was 23 (that would have made her 40)! As for Blanche, over the seasons, her daughters and grandchildren kept getting younger and younger.
Paternal Grandmother maybe?
@@am74343 yes I remember Dorothy telling rose her grandmother was 92 years old when she was 6 years old.yet when the show debuted in 1985 Sophia was 80 years old.how old was Dorothys grandmother when she gave birth to Sophia 60?also Dorothy said that her daughter Kate was a little girl during world war two.there were two episodes that Kate was on.both actresses could not have been more than 30 years old.dorothy also states that she gave stan who virginity before he left for korea.yet she states Kate was a little girl during world war two.dorothy also states she was a child during the depression.then in season six I think she is stated as being fifty five years old.she experienced no depression years then.
@@nassauguy48 yes the first episode Michael was in he was 29 years old.the second episode he was in I think he was 23 years old.then the third episode he was 30 years old.in the second episode that Kate Dorothys daughter is in it is explained that she has no children
Yet in season five Dorothy said she was Christmas shopping for the grandchildren.what grandchildren?
@@eugenekozma2697 Michael had a child
Estelle Getty was beautiful ❤❤❤❤
I love this.
I love the flashbacks because the woman who plays young Dorothy actually has the mannerisms and talks like the older version while Bea Arthur playing The grandmother actually feels like a different character and not her Dorothy role 👌🏾
Bea finally got a chance to slap Estelle back 😂
"A thousand nights of begging, three times you said yes. For that, you want a present?" Lol
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it stated in episodes prior to this that Sophia's mother was already dead when Sophia was even younger? Dorothy had said in a few episodes earlier that she was six years old when Sophia's mother died. Also, in one prior to that one, Angelo (Sophia's brother) said that he was only young when his mother was on her death bed, and Angelo is older than Sophia.
Idk Golden Girls is full of inconsistencies.
Also one explanation could be due to the stroke Sophia was remembering things wrong
Could have been her father’s mother.
Over the GG's seven seasons, there were a number of different writers and apparently the show didn't keep a strict "consistency journal' of the characters' backgrounds, etc., so details were inconsistent. Another example is in one episode, it took the women three days to travel to St. Olaf, but in another episode, someone visiting from St. Olaf arrived in Miami in less than a day.
You are correct. I always refer to it as the many deaths of Sophia's mother. Here they are in order:
Season 3 episode "My Brother, My Father" - Sophia says she promised her mother on her death bed that she'd marry Benito, the town's organ grinder monkey hat manufacturer, which means she died before Dorothy was born.
Season 3 episode "Mother's Day" - Sophia wants her mother to move in with her and Sal, and Dorothy is a young adult.
Season 4 episode "The Days and Nights of Sophia Petrillo" - Dorothy says her Grandmother (definitely Sophia's mother, so you can't use the argument that maybe it's her other grandmother) was something like 97 when she was a child, and died sometime around then.
So yeah, that's always been a big inconsistency.
Even rose's background has inconsistencies.in the very first episode she says that charlie her husband died fifteen years ago.yet later on in the first season she says she is 55 years old and charlie has been dead for 5 years.then in that episode where they get that black lady as their housekeeper and they fear she has magic powers.rose says one Christmas during the depression she got a block of coal.then in another episode rose in one of her st. Olaf stories talks about this lady beautician and the prices she charged and blanche says "that much".and Dorothy says "it's back in the depression".well if rose was like 55 years old when the series began.how much of the depression did she live and experience.
The time lines were horrendous. I heard it was because there were so many different writers who never consulted the earlier scripts to keep the show consistent.
@@nassauguy48 yes apparently.no consistency.they thought viewers were so clueless.
They never revealed Sophia's maiden name on the show, so how do we know it was Grisanti?
Those are some BRIGHT walls 🌞
Edit: or its just the camera adjusting strangely lol
It’s the camera probably. As you can tell, I recorded this on my phone facing the TV
Picture it.. Miami, May 7,1988 was the day we learned where Sophia, Angelo and Angela got their intros for their stories from
1881 🤯🤯🤯
True. This is my favorite show all my life but there was several discrepancies.....hiw could michael only be 22 in the episode he got married? The show was soooooo wonderful....but they didn't keep a concordance of years. Even one episode said blanche's middle name was Elizabeth.....but the episode with her mammy....it was Marie......
Ugh totally. I love the show but I can’t get over the inconsistencies
Not to mention, this episode is the last episode of season 3, and in an earlier episode, "My Brother, My Father", Angelo and Sophia both recall promises they made to their mother on her deathbed, which means she died before Dorothy was born. And then, in the second episode of season 4, "The Days and Nights of Sophia Petrillo", Dorothy says her Grandmother died when she was a kid. I double checked to be sure, but it's definitely Sophia's mother each time.
Yes a lot of inconsistencies.dorothy said that her grandmother died when she was 6.well how old was she when she had Sophia and how old was Sophia when she had dorothy.this episode was in the 1950s and Dorothy does not look six years old.dorothy said in one episode her daughter Kate was a little girl during world war two.yet in two episodes Kate is a young woman.by the 1980s she would have been over forty.
Just like in the first episode Michael was in he was 29 years old.then in the second episode when he married that black woman he was supposed to be like 23.then in an episode in 1990 he is like 30.inconsistencies.
@@eugenekozma2697 that's actually one of the biggest inconsistencies in the show. Especially because the reason Dorothy married Stan was because he got her pregnant, with Michael, and then they divorced after 38 years, so Michael would have to be in his early 40s in the episode where he married Lorraine.
Shouldn't she sound Italian?
My thoughts exactly
She should definitely be speaking in a heavy accent for sure
How did Dorothy turn so tall with short parents
Idk lol my grandpa was 5’4’ and my nana’s 4’11’ but somehow they created my 6’1’ dad
The mailman? The milkman?
@@nassauguy48 got it
@@nassauguy48 lol actually my dad looks like grandpa especially as a baby.
Sometimes genetics can skip a generation. It’s clear Dorothy gets it from her grandmother
Ha too bad u said it