For clarity, when I said "processed into HDR", I mean that it converts the way you monitor the image into the HDR monitoring configuration of your choosing. As far as I know there is no way to "bake in" the HDR conversion into the file, even though the manual says "record, preview and review using HDR". You can bake in LUTs, and I also think you can convert the signal coming out of the HDMI output port to be HDR, but it shouldn't affect your log recordings on the SSD--other than the fact that it removes options like "Legalize". Happy shooting! 🤓👍
Appreciate the follow-up. I don't think using the Input->Camera Output->Log/HDR setting is WRONG, it can be pretty useful to monitor in Rec709 (or PQ if that's where you're headed), especially if you don't have a Log to Rec709 LUT (which was the case for the Z6 until not long ago). It doesn't modify the recorded file in any way (as far as I can tell) and at least with the current firmware, it records the same levels as turning Legalize off (as one would expect), ie full/data. That said, I understand the click appeal of the ... firmer... wording 😜
Man your videos are great thanks for the info. can you provide a video soon different ways to load luts or get your footage off your Ninja V ? thanks again
Dude, this is the most comprehensive guide to my brand new ninja V and I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you. I found you through camera conspiracies and you two have now become my two favorite channels!
I consider myself a professional as I have been doing video production work for about 13 years now...but then I watch your videos and I feel like a beginner again! Love your knowledge....I come to your site often for tips and your opinions on a wide range of things. Bravo! I just got the Ninja V for my Z cam e2-m4. Would love for you to do a review of the Z cam e2 series
Just got my new Ninja v last Thursday. I was saving for a lens, when my church asked if I could film the Sunday service on Friday. I have an A7III, so I knew there was a thirty minute time limit, so... I didn’t get the lens that’s not shipping yet and bought the Ninja v instead. Falling in love with this thing. Friday’s recording ran this morning at 10:30 am AZ time. Without a hitch. I was originally nervous because when I tried playing the clip from the hard drive, I got a delay after 5 seconds of play. I set it to record prores lt. so after pulling into a fcpx project and compiling to mp4 it was completely in sync. So that was good. Why In this day and age that Atomos doesn’t have a forum on its site is beyond me. If I could have done a search, it would have put my brain at ease. Thanks for everything by the way. I don’t miss a one...;-)
Andrew Stewart I suppose it comes down to your current and future needs.. I bought a Ninja V for the monitoring and perhaps recording with current or future camera. If only for monitoring the Atomos Shinobi is an obvious choice. HDR monitoring in PQ for instance to see all of the image as you will likely grade is a great thing. I record prores on the Atomos Ninja V. I think it’s marginally better to grade log than my internal 150 mbps codec. I might be imagining it, but I think it’s true.. but if I pick up a new Nikon Z6 or other new camera system in 2020/2021 that may have ProResRaw... then my purchase will fully utilized. Currently? I think it’s better though with my computer/codec comparison my laptop handles both formats easily, but I know the external is capable of handling more grading in post.. even from an 8 bit source...... But yes.. for 8 bit source it’s biggest benefit is monitoring in HDR/PQ log etc. and perhaps the grading is better in post?
@@alexshdvideo Interesting; I was looking at the AndyCine A6 Plus which seems like a great value, but the Shinobi isn't that much more and presumably better in some way. As a hobbyist I definitely can't justify $650+ for the Ninja everyone loves. Thanks for the idea!
Hey brother! You did save my new Ninja V a return to B&H Photo. I don't care much about anything but record a while longer and improve the audio by not routing the mics through the camera, which in itself is a vast improvement and worth the Ninja V price. Thank you, I will follow you now, indeed!👍👍
Very helpful video. Most products we buy that are easy to use have huge booklets full of information we hardly read. But the lack of information manuals when buying Atomos products is just ridiculous.
Part of the problem with reviewing tech is people constantly getting angry in the comments. I'm going to say in the beginning of all my videos, look I'm not Gerald undone. Fantastic channel and video. You are a mench
You are the man! I went to the garage to find where I did throw my ninja v because it was really so bad with log files, you explained it better than the Atomos's CEO on his video, I was getting a 709 file out of the Ninja and I didn't understand why.... Yes because we have been told to toggle that freaki*** HDR/Log button and select camera brand and gamma bla bla bla but at the end no more log flexibility in post at all! Yes because we were getting a 709 signal instead, I can't believe that! Many thanks, greeting from France and you all stay safe by staying home
DUUUUUUDE!! Thank you Thank you! Definitely answered my question perfectly. Again, I've learned so much about my gear from your vids! You're awesome. Stay safe and healthy, we definitely need people like you out here :-)
Just subscribed after watching the interview in B&H. I've viewed many of your posts but subscribed after seeing you in B&H because I liked that you opened up a little and I feel like I know you and understand your approach. My career started at IBM and I am a tech camera nerd too.
I've recently bought a Ninja V+ and it works with my Sony A-Mount A99II. Recorded a friend's 3hr gig (4 Rock bands) and the record quality is perfect, had no worries about the outdated 30min recording time of the camera. So far I'm loving it
Gerald. I want to thank you for these vids and explaining in precise understandable language how to use this equipment. I have to learn how to shoot video for my day job and this has helped out in understanding why some one would need an atamos ninja 5. Especially since it can save us boatloads on memory costs. This with the battery kit and two 1tb ssd's is cheaper than buying memory cards totaling 2 TB. With that knowledge and the knowledge you've presented here i can convince my boss to buy one of these puppies lol. Thanks again sir.
Another video bringing me closer to changing my ninja inferno into the V, but one caveat: ninja V is inferior in the pursuit of camera fitness routines due to the weight. Learned this recently 😂
I sold my FS5+Shogun Inferno to opt for the Nikon Z6 and Ninja V. I miss 120 FPS RAW sometimes but for the most part i dont regret that at all. I get more contet from every shoot becuse of less setup time.
Quick tip! You don't have to deselect the yellow or blue tabs at the bottom to access the red menu, in fact if you're on the record screen and leave the yellow tab open, you can simply click the info on the top of the screen to shortcut you to those tabs within the red menu. for example, tapping the battery icon will bring you to the batter tab within the red menu, tapping the input and output signal displayed at the top will bring you to the input or output tabs respectively. The say "in," "out"," "mon (will bring you to the yellow monitor tab)," etc.... just a time saving tip =) P.S. I'm no expert, just giving out some free info like Gerald
Thank you! It seems I got lost with the HDR/Log toggle and assumed I needed it turned on so the Ninja could properly interpret the signal. Now I can hopefully use my monitoring LUTs with some semblance of confidence while shooting log. Thanks again!
Thanks for the video breakdown. My ninja v is shipping to me and these were questions I already had from an audio perspective. The menus look a little intimidating but this video helped bring down the anxiety a bit.
Thanks for doing this. Recently I was doing some live streaming and I was monkeying around with the Ninja, trying to take the audio from the audio mixer directly into the Ninja. Afterwards I was not getting my audio from the camera into the Ninja. This tutorial allowed me to reset the audio so it works again.
This was a huge help. Not that ill ever use the hdr feature but just incase i get inspired too could you do another video on how to use it and what you would use this feature for....? Love your content so usefull
You have no idea how hard it has been to find a video with this exact information. All of the Ninja V videos I’ve watched just walk through the menus, but provide no help in regards to setting it up properly for first-time users. Thanks, Gerald. You are sent from the heavens. I’ve got more of an audio related question. I can never seem to get any audio from the mic input, even with Analog enabled, just like you mentioned in this video. I’ve tried this with both my Deity D3 and my RØDE VideoMicro. I can’t tell if I’m missing something. I’m wondering now if my input jack is borked out of the box.
Hey! Unfortunately the Ninja V doesn't provide any power over the mic jack like cameras do, so devices that require that 3 volt signal to turn on won't work. I have the same problem with my D3.
Gerald Undone That makes a lot of sense. I guess I was under the impression that with the D3 having its own battery that it wouldn’t require phantom power. This is very helpful. Thanks, Gerald!
Thank you!! I kept wondering why my Ninja V was drifting out of synch by two frames with my Sony A7RIV. You explain my problem and gave me the fix -THANK YOU!
Your videos are very polished so hats off. A few comments about the settings as I have recently got the Ninja V and had to go an build fixes for all the bugs it has. First your Atomos range fix is not a good idea to monitor with that. The Ninja works fine and so do the exposure tools (except zebras that are off in all modes). The range fix is only necessary in FCP and must be the first effect applied or the whole editing is compromised. The legal option is not good as it flattens the signal also for your monitoring LUTs which may already perform a legal range conversion. So actually with the Panasonic it is more effective to activate the standard V709 in monitoring so that the false colour and other tools work correctly. Applying this LUT is also essential in HDR or ProRes RAW because AtomHDR just scales the display brightness, the display itself is just a plain rec709 gamut 10 bits screen with 10.5 stops vs the 9.97 of a rec709 editing monitor so nothing special. When you try and monitor log in PQ because the monitor lacks the dynamic range and wants to scale it pushes the middle grey really low and the display becomes dim which is exactly the opposite of what you want when you are shooting a landscape scene that has a lot of DR. So AtomosHDR is best skipped altogether and so is the legalise option as long as you use resolve or your LUT as step 1 of your edit. As you said the best option is to leave the monitor in rec709 if you are shooting log or rec709 and adjust the legal levels in your camera. For cameras that output HLG obviously set it like that and you will that the screen is bright because in that case the camera puts middle grey where it needs to be and also adjusts the white point
The HDR/Log toggle is for monitoring purposes only and doesn't change the recorded video. Rec709/HLG/PQ are different monitoring LUTs that have no influence on the recording
Correct. And as far as I know, there is no way to bake them in. But you can bake in the LUTs. And you can send HDR processed images out of HDMI, I believe.
The audio part for me was super useful! Whenever I pull the video from my Atomos I have like 4 audio channels imported as well and wondered why, but now I know! Also I was wondering why I couldn’t record audio through the Atomos mic port (thought it was a compatibility issue), but now I know! Thanks man! 😁
After seeing the price of the CFexpress Type A Memory Card for the Sony a7sIII(which I am hoping to pickup I instantly thought about an exterior recorder that will last a lot long than a card. I started looking around and narrowed down to the NINJA V but, I had no idea if that was going to work together with the Sony and how to operate it. My next move was to type " NINJA V Gerald Undone" in Google and there you were with more info that I could hoped fr anywhere on the net. Thanks Gerald, truly appreciate your time and efforts creating this video. Cheers Al Squamish, BC
Thanks for this helpful guide Gerald. Now that the Atomos Ninja V and V+ have firmware updates to have the unit automatically calibrate the right audio frame delay, would you recommend using this feature still for Sony cameras? My Atomos Ninja V+ is calculating a 9 frame audio delay. Should I stick with this 9 frame delay or the 2 frame delay you recommended for Sony cameras? Thanks!
Thank you G for your another awesome tutorial! I have officially upgraded my Ninja V and your videos are my first hand tips source for my workflow improvement. Many thanks 😊
I'm a little late to the Ninja Game as I been using other branded monitors, but this is great as I will be purchasing a Ninja V for the firs time. Thanks for the info...
A clear explanation of a crazy confusing situation, thanks. Reminds me of they story I heard when I worked at Lockheed that the printed proposal/specification for th C5 aircraft would completely fill the hold of the C130 (it's smaller cousin). Tech is complicated, and only Apple ties to make it simple.
Does Gerald have a video on how to make a RUclips video? I would love to know perhaps what his workflow would be, planning shots, writing, testing, excel sheets, etc.
Hi Gerald! Can you please make a video explaining the Knee point and slope in HLG3 profile in Sony cameras? Zebras stop working when using slope level +3 or less. I own a Sony a7iii. Thanks in advance
Yet another solid, informative, and detailed video. I just got my Ninja V with the sale price leading up to the new firmware update for the Ninja and S1H.
Thanks, Andres! This is the closest thing I have to that: ruclips.net/video/ptJuI1XovaU/видео.html Not exactly what you're looking for, but might help. Cheers!
I have a question about the “2 frame delay” of audio when using a Sony Camera. I read the manual and I think you might be mistaken about this setting. The manual seems to imply that this frame delay only applies to audio being recorded via the Ninja Mic Input, rather than any audio being transmitted via HDMI. However I am new to this, so very plausible that I am wrong.
Small point on setting the date? When setting dates for shooting part of a shoot in the UK and another shoot abroad, I'd make a note to changing the timing on the date as soon as you arrive on the set abroad. If you forget to do this it's going to time, for example, your uk time and not the time abroad. Thought I'd mention that from one experience I had where timing did not match light conditions.
This is some next level info only a pro using this every day would figure out, so thank you! You mention recording a PlayStation - that's actually one of the use cases on the official Atomos website LOL. I picked up a Ninja V yesterday for just over US$500, they are on special for lock down / Atomos 10 year anniversary celebrations. (It makes me wonder if they have a new 5" recorder/monitor coming soon.....)
Thanks so much for this. I'm really enjoying using this with my Fuji X-T3, there's a lot to learn in these unfamliar menus though and your breakdowns are invaluable. Keep up the great work... by far my favourite no-nonsense, straight-to-the-point, detailed guides out there!
Do you recommend running your audio recording through the Ninja or through your camera? I’ve got the Rode WIreless Go system and I was wondering what pros and cons are. Thanks for this comprehensive video! Your channel rocks!
Hey Gerald, how are you? Absolutely love your videos and your knowledge help me A LOT!!! quick question: After researching for a while I am still doubting if I need to buy a atomos ninja or not. I have a Sony a7iii and lot of people tell me to buy the atomos ninja, but at the same time I hear that gear is not the most important thing... Since I will be filming a lot of colorful content (fashion/clothing) I would like to know if you think is critical to use an atomos ninja with my setup or should I focus on getting my color grading skills on another level? After looking the video about the s-logs I got a bit confused, so I am still not sure if is really worth spending the extra buck only for image quality because my Mac is actually really good and I can always proxy too. What are your thoughts?
First off, THANK YOU. This video was the single-most helpful source I've found. Secondly, on the Ninja V input menu, I'm not able to change my settings from anything other than 59.94. Is there a way I'm able to change my frame rates on the monitor? Thanks for your help!
Very good and instructive guide to Atomos Ninja V. I have just a friendly and soft suggestion. Please keep your hands under the table. As an experienced public audience speaker, a University Professor on the international stage, the first thing we learn is NOT TO WILDLY GESTURE with your hands. How many news presenters for say BBC have you seen who gesture with their hands like an over enthusiastic music conductor? Music Directors of this strip not only wildly gesture with their free hand and pound the air with a palo cortado but also leap into the air like a killer whale in theme park. In this context, please take a look at the brilliant presentations of Hugh Brownstone of Three Blind Mice and an Elephant. Thanks Gerald. Bonne Contination§
Hi Gerald, thank you for all your work! B&H has the Ninja V on sale right now (May 2023) and I have some video work coming up with my Nikon Z7 and Z7II. Is this still a helpful tool for me to have on a gig? I would probably just have one to record the #1 camera but I'm assuming it would extend my record time from the otherwise limit of 30 minutes. Thank you. Dennis
Damn, this is absolute perfect Timing! I actually used my Ninja V for the first time today, but got something about the SLog 2 recording wrong. (Colors look weird in post) Gonna try new settings out soon, thank you!
This might be a stupid question, but if you use the LUT on the monitor, does it show noise? Obviously the LUT overlay would be a great tip for shooting Log if it helps you expose enough to reduce the noise etc
the best thing i saw in ninja atoms V, thank you very much. I have a question because before stopping here, I heard different things. In the case that I want to record with my sony A7III and a6300 cameras in a CINE2 CINE4 profile, I can register it in the camera and in the atom if I put it in Standard mode. Thank you so much
What about using the Atomos along with a sound recorder which uses hdmi to trigger the start/stop and timecode? How to rig the cables? To Atomos then to sound recorder? Will there be a delay? How about a video telling us a bit about this?
Hello Gerald! Hope u r doing good! I wanted to ask a simple question about the Ninja V. I hv a GH4 that does not record in V Log coz I never bought the 100 Dollar hassle as yet. So I wanted to know if I can get the same results (DR wise) by putting a LOG profile or LUT in my Ninja V and record my footage with this LUT (backed in)?? Tx
Hi Gerald! I'm still learning about the different picture profiles and settings. Having just watched your in-depth explanations of the A7iii's profiles (which are fantastic btw), I saw that you really recommend HLG3. In this video I see you're using slog2, which you weren't too optimistic about back then. Could you explain me why you're choosing slog2 here over cine2/HLG3? Please feel free to correct me if I'm being wrong, all this is still very new to me ;-) Cheers mate!
How about a full treatise on ProRes RAW shooting with Nikon Z6 into Ninja V, and onto color grading in FCPX using Color Finale Pro 2 for creating your own LUTs during the experience. I have been happy with the process and gotten good results, but I would love to hear your full take on this. I always learn something useful from your vids, and you have been great at identifying tweaks and shortcomings. Thanks.
Hey Gerald, I have an interesting question that either I'm blatantly missing something or may have not been addressed due to the overall purpose of the ninja V, but can you monitor on the Ninja V without recording?
I have the same setup. Have the Atomos Ninja 5 and a Sony A6400. My videos don't look anything like the one Gerald has here. I'm not sure if I should turn Legalize On or Off as a beginner.
Thanks for the info. I'm considering buying the Canon r6 mark ii which needs to externally record 6k raw. The ninja V was recommend. Do you agree and is it a possible subject for a video?
In recent firmware versions the audio delay only affects the analog inputs. Camera audio will always be perfectly synced to the video even when it is set incorrectly. It's also important to get right if you're using timecode from an external source but that's another story.
For clarity, when I said "processed into HDR", I mean that it converts the way you monitor the image into the HDR monitoring configuration of your choosing. As far as I know there is no way to "bake in" the HDR conversion into the file, even though the manual says "record, preview and review using HDR". You can bake in LUTs, and I also think you can convert the signal coming out of the HDMI output port to be HDR, but it shouldn't affect your log recordings on the SSD--other than the fact that it removes options like "Legalize". Happy shooting! 🤓👍
Appreciate the follow-up.
I don't think using the Input->Camera Output->Log/HDR setting is WRONG, it can be pretty useful to monitor in Rec709 (or PQ if that's where you're headed), especially if you don't have a Log to Rec709 LUT (which was the case for the Z6 until not long ago). It doesn't modify the recorded file in any way (as far as I can tell) and at least with the current firmware, it records the same levels as turning Legalize off (as one would expect), ie full/data.
That said, I understand the click appeal of the ... firmer... wording 😜
If it removes the "legalize" option, it must be illegal!
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THE MATT 222 Matt! I was thinking same! 😆
Man your videos are great thanks for the info. can you provide a video soon different ways to load luts or get your footage off your Ninja V ? thanks again
Gerald! Can you make a video about Color Space / Gamma / HDR / Rec709 etc? I kinda understand these things but they're also kinda mysterious.
Maybe you could too :)
Did Gerald ever do this?
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Dude, this is the most comprehensive guide to my brand new ninja V and I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you. I found you through camera conspiracies and you two have now become my two favorite channels!
I consider myself a professional as I have been doing video production work for about 13 years now...but then I watch your videos and I feel like a beginner again! Love your knowledge....I come to your site often for tips and your opinions on a wide range of things. Bravo! I just got the Ninja V for my Z cam e2-m4. Would love for you to do a review of the Z cam e2 series
Just got my new Ninja v last Thursday. I was saving for a lens, when my church asked if I could film the Sunday service on Friday. I have an A7III, so I knew there was a thirty minute time limit, so... I didn’t get the lens that’s not shipping yet and bought the Ninja v instead. Falling in love with this thing. Friday’s recording ran this morning at 10:30 am AZ time. Without a hitch. I was originally nervous because when I tried playing the clip from the hard drive, I got a delay after 5 seconds of play. I set it to record prores lt. so after pulling into a fcpx project and compiling to mp4 it was completely in sync. So that was good. Why In this day and age that Atomos doesn’t have a forum on its site is beyond me. If I could have done a search, it would have put my brain at ease. Thanks for everything by the way. I don’t miss a one...;-)
The internet doesn't deserve you. You answered like 4 questions I had in this video.
Me: enjoy watching the whole video
Also me: don't actually own any Atomos monitor
I came to write a similar reply. Currently trying to justify the purchase of a $250ish monitor. 🤑
XD
Andrew Stewart I suppose it comes down to your current and future needs.. I bought a Ninja V for the monitoring and perhaps recording with current or future camera. If only for monitoring the Atomos Shinobi is an obvious choice. HDR monitoring in PQ for instance to see all of the image as you will likely grade is a great thing. I record prores on the Atomos Ninja V. I think it’s marginally better to grade log than my internal 150 mbps codec. I might be imagining it, but I think it’s true.. but if I pick up a new Nikon Z6 or other new camera system in 2020/2021 that may have ProResRaw... then my purchase will fully utilized. Currently? I think it’s better though with my computer/codec comparison my laptop handles both formats easily, but I know the external is capable of handling more grading in post.. even from an 8 bit source...... But yes.. for 8 bit source it’s biggest benefit is monitoring in HDR/PQ log etc. and perhaps the grading is better in post?
@@alexshdvideo Interesting; I was looking at the AndyCine A6 Plus which seems like a great value, but the Shinobi isn't that much more and presumably better in some way. As a hobbyist I definitely can't justify $650+ for the Ninja everyone loves. Thanks for the idea!
You are a legend! Every atomos user should salute you for the knowledge you are sharing! This video answered so many questions for so many users!
Hey brother! You did save my new Ninja V a return to B&H Photo. I don't care much about anything but record a while longer and improve the audio by not routing the mics through the camera, which in itself is a vast improvement and worth the Ninja V price. Thank you, I will follow you now, indeed!👍👍
Very helpful video. Most products we buy that are easy to use have huge booklets full of information we hardly read. But the lack of information manuals when buying Atomos products is just ridiculous.
Part of the problem with reviewing tech is people constantly getting angry in the comments. I'm going to say in the beginning of all my videos, look I'm not Gerald undone. Fantastic channel and video. You are a mench
I would love to see much more Atomos Ninja V updates from you. The content is so damn good. Cheers from Copenhagen, Denmark.
You are the man! I went to the garage to find where I did throw my ninja v because it was really so bad with log files, you explained it better than the Atomos's CEO on his video, I was getting a 709 file out of the Ninja and I didn't understand why.... Yes because we have been told to toggle that freaki*** HDR/Log button and select camera brand and gamma bla bla bla but at the end no more log flexibility in post at all! Yes because we were getting a 709 signal instead, I can't believe that! Many thanks, greeting from France and you all stay safe by staying home
Finally!, some good instruction on how to use my N5. I've had it for about 2yrs and just got very confused on how to use the thing. So thanks heaps.
DUUUUUUDE!! Thank you Thank you! Definitely answered my question perfectly. Again, I've learned so much about my gear from your vids! You're awesome. Stay safe and healthy, we definitely need people like you out here :-)
Just subscribed after watching the interview in B&H. I've viewed many of your posts but subscribed after seeing you in B&H because I liked that you opened up a little and I feel like I know you and understand your approach. My career started at IBM and I am a tech camera nerd too.
I've recently bought a Ninja V+ and it works with my Sony A-Mount A99II. Recorded a friend's 3hr gig (4 Rock bands) and the record quality is perfect, had no worries about the outdated 30min recording time of the camera. So far I'm loving it
Gerald. I want to thank you for these vids and explaining in precise understandable language how to use this equipment. I have to learn how to shoot video for my day job and this has helped out in understanding why some one would need an atamos ninja 5. Especially since it can save us boatloads on memory costs. This with the battery kit and two 1tb ssd's is cheaper than buying memory cards totaling 2 TB. With that knowledge and the knowledge you've presented here i can convince my boss to buy one of these puppies lol. Thanks again sir.
Another video bringing me closer to changing my ninja inferno into the V, but one caveat: ninja V is inferior in the pursuit of camera fitness routines due to the weight. Learned this recently 😂
I sold my FS5+Shogun Inferno to opt for the Nikon Z6 and Ninja V. I miss 120 FPS RAW sometimes but for the most part i dont regret that at all. I get more contet from every shoot becuse of less setup time.
Now I have my Ninja V full operating! Great tips Gerald! Thanks
Quick tip! You don't have to deselect the yellow or blue tabs at the bottom to access the red menu, in fact if you're on the record screen and leave the yellow tab open, you can simply click the info on the top of the screen to shortcut you to those tabs within the red menu. for example, tapping the battery icon will bring you to the batter tab within the red menu, tapping the input and output signal displayed at the top will bring you to the input or output tabs respectively. The say "in," "out"," "mon (will bring you to the yellow monitor tab)," etc.... just a time saving tip =)
P.S. I'm no expert, just giving out some free info like Gerald
Thank you! It seems I got lost with the HDR/Log toggle and assumed I needed it turned on so the Ninja could properly interpret the signal. Now I can hopefully use my monitoring LUTs with some semblance of confidence while shooting log. Thanks again!
I loved the last idea referring to the Playstation :) )) Brilliant.
Summed it all up in the last 20 seconds. Thanks again Gerald.
Enjoyed this immediate follow up video as well. 👊🏻😎
Thanks for the video breakdown. My ninja v is shipping to me and these were questions I already had from an audio perspective. The menus look a little intimidating but this video helped bring down the anxiety a bit.
GREAT video, comprehensive, giving an overview on how to simplify things with the Ninja V. 👍🏻
Thanks for doing this. Recently I was doing some live streaming and I was monkeying around with the Ninja, trying to take the audio from the audio mixer directly into the Ninja. Afterwards I was not getting my audio from the camera into the Ninja. This tutorial allowed me to reset the audio so it works again.
I have no idea what you're doing or talking about but I'm sure I'll re-watch the video again once my Ninja arrives.
This was a huge help.
Not that ill ever use the hdr feature but just incase i get inspired too could you do another video on how to use it and what you would use this feature for....?
Love your content so usefull
You have no idea how hard it has been to find a video with this exact information. All of the Ninja V videos I’ve watched just walk through the menus, but provide no help in regards to setting it up properly for first-time users.
Thanks, Gerald. You are sent from the heavens.
I’ve got more of an audio related question.
I can never seem to get any audio from the mic input, even with Analog enabled, just like you mentioned in this video. I’ve tried this with both my Deity D3 and my RØDE VideoMicro. I can’t tell if I’m missing something. I’m wondering now if my input jack is borked out of the box.
Hey! Unfortunately the Ninja V doesn't provide any power over the mic jack like cameras do, so devices that require that 3 volt signal to turn on won't work. I have the same problem with my D3.
Gerald Undone That makes a lot of sense. I guess I was under the impression that with the D3 having its own battery that it wouldn’t require phantom power. This is very helpful. Thanks, Gerald!
Yeah, it's not quite phantom power. It's more like plug-in detection power used to tell smart devices there's a device connected.
Gerald Undone Oh, so if I’m understanding this correctly, it’s more of a handshake and not a power issue?
you don't have to jump between the red and yellow settings page, just touch "monitor" on the top middle while being in the rec mode.
Thank you!! I kept wondering why my Ninja V was drifting out of synch by two frames with my Sony A7RIV. You explain my problem and gave me the fix -THANK YOU!
Your videos are very polished so hats off. A few comments about the settings as I have recently got the Ninja V and had to go an build fixes for all the bugs it has. First your Atomos range fix is not a good idea to monitor with that. The Ninja works fine and so do the exposure tools (except zebras that are off in all modes). The range fix is only necessary in FCP and must be the first effect applied or the whole editing is compromised. The legal option is not good as it flattens the signal also for your monitoring LUTs which may already perform a legal range conversion. So actually with the Panasonic it is more effective to activate the standard V709 in monitoring so that the false colour and other tools work correctly. Applying this LUT is also essential in HDR or ProRes RAW because AtomHDR just scales the display brightness, the display itself is just a plain rec709 gamut 10 bits screen with 10.5 stops vs the 9.97 of a rec709 editing monitor so nothing special. When you try and monitor log in PQ because the monitor lacks the dynamic range and wants to scale it pushes the middle grey really low and the display becomes dim which is exactly the opposite of what you want when you are shooting a landscape scene that has a lot of DR. So AtomosHDR is best skipped altogether and so is the legalise option as long as you use resolve or your LUT as step 1 of your edit. As you said the best option is to leave the monitor in rec709 if you are shooting log or rec709 and adjust the legal levels in your camera. For cameras that output HLG obviously set it like that and you will that the screen is bright because in that case the camera puts middle grey where it needs to be and also adjusts the white point
The HDR/Log toggle is for monitoring purposes only and doesn't change the recorded video. Rec709/HLG/PQ are different monitoring LUTs that have no influence on the recording
Correct. And as far as I know, there is no way to bake them in. But you can bake in the LUTs. And you can send HDR processed images out of HDMI, I believe.
The audio part for me was super useful! Whenever I pull the video from my Atomos I have like 4 audio channels imported as well and wondered why, but now I know! Also I was wondering why I couldn’t record audio through the Atomos mic port (thought it was a compatibility issue), but now I know! Thanks man! 😁
Yeah! This was very helpful!
You're changing my life Gerald...
Thanks again for making it so easy for us to understand the settings on the Ninja V.
Thank you! Was just wondering about the Log/HDR switch and found your video! Saved me so much time researching. Thank Thank you!
After seeing the price of the CFexpress Type A Memory Card for the Sony a7sIII(which I am hoping to pickup I instantly thought about an exterior recorder that will last a lot long than a card. I started looking around and narrowed down to the NINJA V but, I had no idea if that was going to work together with the Sony and how to operate it. My next move was to type " NINJA V Gerald Undone" in Google and there you were with more info that I could hoped fr anywhere on the net. Thanks Gerald, truly appreciate your time and efforts creating this video. Cheers Al Squamish, BC
Would love to see a Sony Raw video with Atomos Shogun Inferno/7 and any of the compatible Sony SDI raw cams, FS700r/FS5/FS7/
what an intense thumbnail 😂 you scared me right into clicking on it...
Thanks for this helpful guide Gerald. Now that the Atomos Ninja V and V+ have firmware updates to have the unit automatically calibrate the right audio frame delay, would you recommend using this feature still for Sony cameras? My Atomos Ninja V+ is calculating a 9 frame audio delay. Should I stick with this 9 frame delay or the 2 frame delay you recommended for Sony cameras? Thanks!
This was so helpful.. New Ninja user. Subbed. Thank you. Audio issue solved.
Thank you G for your another awesome tutorial! I have officially upgraded my Ninja V and your videos are my first hand tips source for my workflow improvement. Many thanks 😊
I'm a little late to the Ninja Game as I been using other branded monitors, but this is great as I will be purchasing a Ninja V for the firs time. Thanks for the info...
Great job as always Jerald. Thanks for making this video for us amateurs.
A clear explanation of a crazy confusing situation, thanks. Reminds me of they story I heard when I worked at Lockheed that the printed proposal/specification for th C5 aircraft would completely fill the hold of the C130 (it's smaller cousin). Tech is complicated, and only Apple ties to make it simple.
Does Gerald have a video on how to make a RUclips video? I would love to know perhaps what his workflow would be, planning shots, writing, testing, excel sheets, etc.
love your into jingle.... watched a few of your videos and got it stuck in my head lol.
Hi Gerald! Can you please make a video explaining the Knee point and slope in HLG3 profile in Sony cameras? Zebras stop working when using slope level +3 or less. I own a Sony a7iii. Thanks in advance
Yet another solid, informative, and detailed video. I just got my Ninja V with the sale price leading up to the new firmware update for the Ninja and S1H.
Awesome! Please make a video on IRE sort of cheat sheet-ish. Thank you.
Fantastic Gerald. Can you explain how to expose with the new false color chart please. If there's a video already is ok to point me to. Thanks!
Thanks, Andres! This is the closest thing I have to that: ruclips.net/video/ptJuI1XovaU/видео.html
Not exactly what you're looking for, but might help. Cheers!
@@geraldundone Thanks Gerald
I’m Gerald Undone and I see videos first, because I see everything first.
Hi Gerald, will you do another video covering the PR0-RES RAW Unlock for other users? Which I have done myself. :)
I saw this video so many times and you so good that sometime i thought what would be if you not making these great videos
Hugely helpful clarification. Thanks so much Gerald. 💛😎🙏🏼
I have a question about the “2 frame delay” of audio when using a Sony Camera. I read the manual and I think you might be mistaken about this setting. The manual seems to imply that this frame delay only applies to audio being recorded via the Ninja Mic Input, rather than any audio being transmitted via HDMI. However I am new to this, so very plausible that I am wrong.
I've noticed issues with my audio being out of sync by 2 frames and think this might very well be the case. Went ahead and removed the delay.
Small point on setting the date? When setting dates for shooting part of a shoot in the UK and another shoot abroad, I'd make a note to changing the timing on the date as soon as you arrive on the set abroad. If you forget to do this it's going to time, for example, your uk time and not the time abroad. Thought I'd mention that from one experience I had where timing did not match light conditions.
Is this a good general guide for the new ninja as well. stg I cant find any good in depth vids yet! Great vid, hope I can translate it to newer model
This is some next level info only a pro using this every day would figure out, so thank you! You mention recording a PlayStation - that's actually one of the use cases on the official Atomos website LOL. I picked up a Ninja V yesterday for just over US$500, they are on special for lock down / Atomos 10 year anniversary celebrations. (It makes me wonder if they have a new 5" recorder/monitor coming soon.....)
Thanks for clarifying this.
Also, I love that table!
Thanks so much for this. I'm really enjoying using this with my Fuji X-T3, there's a lot to learn in these unfamliar menus though and your breakdowns are invaluable. Keep up the great work... by far my favourite no-nonsense, straight-to-the-point, detailed guides out there!
Thanks, Gerald. As always, a very clear presentation of information.
Do you recommend running your audio recording through the Ninja or through your camera? I’ve got the Rode WIreless Go system and I was wondering what pros and cons are. Thanks for this comprehensive video! Your channel rocks!
Hi Gerald, your videos are much appreciated.
Good one! Cleared up a lot of confusion about the audio settings.
Gerald could you please share the manual?
Thanks! this was such a great video!
Hey Gerald, how are you? Absolutely love your videos and your knowledge help me A LOT!!! quick question: After researching for a while I am still doubting if I need to buy a atomos ninja or not. I have a Sony a7iii and lot of people tell me to buy the atomos ninja, but at the same time I hear that gear is not the most important thing... Since I will be filming a lot of colorful content (fashion/clothing) I would like to know if you think is critical to use an atomos ninja with my setup or should I focus on getting my color grading skills on another level? After looking the video about the s-logs I got a bit confused, so I am still not sure if is really worth spending the extra buck only for image quality because my Mac is actually really good and I can always proxy too. What are your thoughts?
First off, THANK YOU. This video was the single-most helpful source I've found. Secondly, on the Ninja V input menu, I'm not able to change my settings from anything other than 59.94. Is there a way I'm able to change my frame rates on the monitor? Thanks for your help!
Very good and instructive guide to Atomos Ninja V. I have just a friendly and soft suggestion. Please keep your hands under the table. As an experienced public audience speaker, a University Professor on the international stage, the first thing we learn is NOT TO WILDLY GESTURE with your hands. How many news presenters for say BBC have you seen who gesture with their hands like an over enthusiastic music conductor? Music Directors of this strip not only wildly gesture with their free hand and pound the air with a palo cortado but also leap into the air like a killer whale in theme park. In this context, please take a look at the brilliant presentations of Hugh Brownstone of Three Blind Mice and an Elephant. Thanks Gerald. Bonne Contination§
Again, SUPER helpful. Much appreciated.
Hi Gerald, thank you for all your work! B&H has the Ninja V on sale right now (May 2023) and I have some video work coming up with my Nikon Z7 and Z7II. Is this still a helpful tool for me to have on a gig? I would probably just have one to record the #1 camera but I'm assuming it would extend my record time from the otherwise limit of 30 minutes. Thank you. Dennis
Damn, this is absolute perfect Timing! I actually used my Ninja V for the first time today, but got something about the SLog 2 recording wrong. (Colors look weird in post)
Gonna try new settings out soon, thank you!
Thank you! Love that you display what you are doing on the Ninja at a nice pace so easy to follow! Your the best.
Happy New Year!
Great video.
Do you find that dropping the backlight level makes a significant savings in battery life?
This might be a stupid question, but if you use the LUT on the monitor, does it show noise? Obviously the LUT overlay would be a great tip for shooting Log if it helps you expose enough to reduce the noise etc
Loved this video! I needed this some weeks ago but I'm greatful that I got it now. I'll feel much more confident on the next shoot 😁
Jerald, Thank you for another amazing tutorial! what is your suggestion for Audio Delay for a7IV (also 2Fr ?)
You’re the best dude! Seriously, the best at what you do!
the best thing i saw in ninja atoms V, thank you very much. I have a question because before stopping here, I heard different things. In the case that I want to record with my sony A7III and a6300 cameras in a CINE2 CINE4 profile, I can register it in the camera and in the atom if I put it in Standard mode. Thank you so much
What about using the Atomos along with a sound recorder which uses hdmi to trigger the start/stop and timecode? How to rig the cables? To Atomos then to sound recorder? Will there be a delay? How about a video telling us a bit about this?
You are my hero, you answered my questions in hours!!!!!!! Thank you.
Hello Gerald!
Hope u r doing good!
I wanted to ask a simple question about the Ninja V.
I hv a GH4 that does not record in V Log coz I never bought the 100 Dollar hassle as yet. So I wanted to know if I can get the same results (DR wise) by putting a LOG profile or LUT in my Ninja V and record my footage with this LUT (backed in)??
Tx
Hi Gerald! I'm still learning about the different picture profiles and settings. Having just watched your in-depth explanations of the A7iii's profiles (which are fantastic btw), I saw that you really recommend HLG3. In this video I see you're using slog2, which you weren't too optimistic about back then. Could you explain me why you're choosing slog2 here over cine2/HLG3? Please feel free to correct me if I'm being wrong, all this is still very new to me ;-) Cheers mate!
How about a full treatise on ProRes RAW shooting with Nikon Z6 into Ninja V, and onto color grading in FCPX using Color Finale Pro 2 for creating your own LUTs during the experience. I have been happy with the process and gotten good results, but I would love to hear your full take on this. I always learn something useful from your vids, and you have been great at identifying tweaks and shortcomings. Thanks.
Bravo. It's great to have a basic overview to direct our clients to. You just saved us some work, thanks!
Hey Gerald, I have an interesting question that either I'm blatantly missing something or may have not been addressed due to the overall purpose of the ninja V, but can you monitor on the Ninja V without recording?
Dude do you know how to fix the orange colour problems without buying an expensive calibrator
Awesome, you nailed it like always. Just wondering what is the audio frame rate for the canon EOS R5 ? Please 🙏🏽
Thank you
I actually wanted to know about this! Got here right when it posted!
would you still recommend the 2 fr in audio delay fro the fx3? as always you had all the answers I need, thanks for being you.
I have the same setup. Have the Atomos Ninja 5 and a Sony A6400. My videos don't look anything like the one Gerald has here. I'm not sure if I should turn Legalize On or Off as a beginner.
I was literally looking for this exact video this morning 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Thanks man. Could you do a video setting exposure properly with false color?
Kinda over my head, but very interesting and great info, thanks.
Thanks for the info. I'm considering buying the Canon r6 mark ii which needs to externally record 6k raw. The ninja V was recommend. Do you agree and is it a possible subject for a video?
For Audio Sync They actually have an automatic calibration option. Thank goodness my delay was 7 frames using EOS R
In recent firmware versions the audio delay only affects the analog inputs. Camera audio will always be perfectly synced to the video even when it is set incorrectly. It's also important to get right if you're using timecode from an external source but that's another story.