"Worst...Landing....Ever!" - He he... any landing you can walk away from AND the aircraft is still serviceable is a good one :) Enjoyed this video. (Only just discovered your other video to Oshkosh two days ago!)
"This procedure is restricted to high-performance turbojet, turboprop, and Warbird aircraft..." - AirVenture NOTAM; Turbine/Warbird Arrival Jets/turboprops/warbirds usually come by Fond du Lac at 250 kias and hold that all the way to Warbird Island per the arrival, and frequently hold high speed all the way to the airport for an overhead break. On the flip side, the Warbird arrival is usually pretty empty and _technically_ the minimum speed is 130 kias or greater. That said, the traffic is only so light because there aren't that many real Turbines/Warbirds compared to piston singles and twins. I suspect that half of the planes on the Fisk arrival can probably keep up with or even outrun your Extra, yet they still fly via Fisk. If all the planes that can maintain at least 130 kias in cruise took the Warbird arrival into Oshkosh... imagine the chaos.
@@SpreadAviation Wow okay. Thanks for letting me know. My dream plane is the Sw51 Mustang, something to definitely take into consideration. Then again, I am in Canada - BC. So we don't get that much heat here, lots to think about :) Thanks for your reply!
Of course it was your worst landing ever, the whole world was watching. LOL. Controller allowed Warbird Island stack up and it bit him in the butt when fast movers showed up.
Thanks for sharing. Are you going to be there all week? I plan on going sometime during the week and on Sunday to see what it looks like when things start shutting down. I'm new to your channel, keep hearing you say Extra, if I can ask what model Extra?
@@SpreadAviation Thanks for the reply. I’ll be there to see your Extra and take some pictures if you are not out flying the Extra. Not comparing RC flying to full size planes. Back in my RC days, the Carl Goldberg Extra 300 was a favorite model and fun plane to fly. One guy in the club had three of them.
Yeah so only marginally less stressful than FISK, given the number of aircraft all holding over Warbird Island! But anyhow, I'm curious to know how you debriefed your approach & landing. What would you do differently on another day?
I relaxed the stick before touching down on the runway. Landings should really only have the stick traveling aft until touchdown. I pushed and *plopped* which is a big no-no. And I knew better too. 😆
@@SpreadAviation Also, in the spirit of going public with bloopers, I recently got back in the air after a decade away. In a Citabria, even though most of my latter hours were in a Great Lakes. Evidently, I decided not to use the green arc to remind me of the 7ECA stall speed and was a good 10 mph fast on every single approach. Sigh. No wonder all my three pointers were "arrivals." Next time up I will be at 70 over the fence, not 80. Like you say, I knew better!
@practiCalfMRI I learned Tailwheel in a 7ECA. They’re the perfect trainer. Keep you honest, show you what you need to see, and forgiving of mistakes. Fly safe!
The purpose of the warbird approach is so that aircraft which would have a hard time operating safely at the slow speeds and low altitudes of the normal approach have a way to do so closer to their normal operating speeds. A fellow aerobatic competitor flew in a Twin Comanche and was already having a hard time keeping it flying at 90 when the Cherokee he was following dropped full flaps at midfield downwind and slowed to 65. You’re not keeping a Twin Comanche in the air that slow and it creates a collision hazard. There’s nothing in the NOTAM that says you can’t do the procedure, but you must be able to maintain the high speeds of the other airplanes.
@@SpreadAviation no, that’s the purpose of the 130kt Fisk arrival at 2300 feet. Did you read the Notam? “Maintain 90 knots (or maximum cruise speed if below 90 knots) and 1,800’ MSL. If unable, maintain 135 knots and 2,300’ MSL.”
I really appreciate your videos. I don't fly but I really got to know about Oshkosh this past year. We moved to the mid-west from Southern California a couple of years ago. I never realized there were so many planes landing at Oshkosh. We use to go to Miramar for the airshows, Edwards and Lemoore years and years ago. I have friend that flew out of Lemoore (Sidewinders F18's) out of there. He's since been out for a while now and actually flew to Oshkosh a couple of years ago. Have fun there and "Kick the tires and light the fires"🤙
I’ll be at the show all day with spotty signal but I’ll try to reply to the comments.
I listened to this entire exchange on the radio. It got even nuttier a few minutes behind you.
I’m sure it did!
"Worst...Landing....Ever!" - He he... any landing you can walk away from AND the aircraft is still serviceable is a good one :) Enjoyed this video. (Only just discovered your other video to Oshkosh two days ago!)
Perfect timing! Thank you!
An extra isn’t a warbird or turbine, and is more than capable of flying the speed on the Fiske arrival. Why did you fly the warbird arrival?
For the adventure! Did the FISKE last (6) year(s), wanted to do something new this year.
"This procedure is restricted to high-performance turbojet, turboprop, and Warbird aircraft..." - AirVenture NOTAM; Turbine/Warbird Arrival
Jets/turboprops/warbirds usually come by Fond du Lac at 250 kias and hold that all the way to Warbird Island per the arrival, and frequently hold high speed all the way to the airport for an overhead break. On the flip side, the Warbird arrival is usually pretty empty and _technically_ the minimum speed is 130 kias or greater. That said, the traffic is only so light because there aren't that many real Turbines/Warbirds compared to piston singles and twins. I suspect that half of the planes on the Fisk arrival can probably keep up with or even outrun your Extra, yet they still fly via Fisk. If all the planes that can maintain at least 130 kias in cruise took the Warbird arrival into Oshkosh... imagine the chaos.
Chilean Air Force uses Extra 300’s. #warbird
Very cool. Planning on going next year. But were probably going to fly commercial. 100kts would take a while from California. Im excited. Lol
See you there!
Wasn't expecting to see my friend Jordan in the video, nice!
Nice
"Worst landing ever".....LMAO! Hey dude, you walked away from it so it's all good! :)
And I got to re-use the airplane
Saw your plane at the show. Beautiful bird.
Thank you! Hope you had a good time.
Great video on the arrival. Question for you, how much hotter does it get in a canopy plane? Non pilot here. Cheers!
Much hotter. Last year I had sun shades in while flying to keep it cool.
@@SpreadAviation Wow okay. Thanks for letting me know. My dream plane is the Sw51 Mustang, something to definitely take into consideration. Then again, I am in Canada - BC. So we don't get that much heat here, lots to think about :) Thanks for your reply!
With a Mustang you can open the canopy. If I try that in the Extra it will fly off as designed for easy bailouts.
Oh ya I remember that my first time flying in to this was very interesting and fun
You never forgot your first
I was watching atc on Sunday. CRAZY.
And I would call that a calm day. Lol
Awesome flying and one of the best USA artworks flying proud! I love it!
Thank you!
@spreadaviation are you coming to SNF 2024?
Yes. The plan right now is Wednesday and Thursday.
Just watched your “last year’s” arrival and then this… 👍👍
Baller! Thanks for watching!
great video! Nice to see how a PRO does that arrival and approach
Thanks for watching
Hey amigo, thanks for the video. First time arrival with Tbone. Your video answered all my question!
Good luck!
Of course it was your worst landing ever, the whole world was watching. LOL. Controller allowed Warbird Island stack up and it bit him in the butt when fast movers showed up.
Of course!
Thanks for sharing. Are you going to be there all week? I plan on going sometime during the week and on Sunday to see what it looks like when things start shutting down. I'm new to your channel, keep hearing you say Extra, if I can ask what model Extra?
Yeah I’ll be here. The airplane is at the IAC pavilion in show center. The model is an Extra 300.
@@SpreadAviation Thanks for the reply. I’ll be there to see your Extra and take some pictures if you are not out flying the Extra. Not comparing RC flying to full size planes. Back in my RC days, the Carl Goldberg Extra 300 was a favorite model and fun plane to fly. One guy in the club had three of them.
It’s a great platform. The RC version certainly out performs me.
@@SpreadAviation Plan on being at EAA today (Thursday). First stop will be the IAC pavilion.
I’ll be there around 9:30
Yeah so only marginally less stressful than FISK, given the number of aircraft all holding over Warbird Island! But anyhow, I'm curious to know how you debriefed your approach & landing. What would you do differently on another day?
I relaxed the stick before touching down on the runway. Landings should really only have the stick traveling aft until touchdown. I pushed and *plopped* which is a big no-no. And I knew better too. 😆
@@SpreadAviation Thanks. I was thinking you were a tad fast so perhaps a planned wheel landing would have been a better option?
@practiCalfMRI $shamefully$ It was supposed to be a wheel landing 😂
@@SpreadAviation Also, in the spirit of going public with bloopers, I recently got back in the air after a decade away. In a Citabria, even though most of my latter hours were in a Great Lakes. Evidently, I decided not to use the green arc to remind me of the 7ECA stall speed and was a good 10 mph fast on every single approach. Sigh. No wonder all my three pointers were "arrivals." Next time up I will be at 70 over the fence, not 80. Like you say, I knew better!
@practiCalfMRI I learned Tailwheel in a 7ECA. They’re the perfect trainer. Keep you honest, show you what you need to see, and forgiving of mistakes. Fly safe!
Don't know who you are as this YT showed up on my computer, but really enjoyed the flight and the various camera angles.
Well click Subscribe and get to know me. Also on Instagram!
Watched you fuel up Saturday.. didn't get to see you leave tho.. got a couple pics of ya
Thank you!
Controlled chaos!
It sounded like the Tower said Warbird, Complacency at its Best!
LOL. I don’t think that was it but my that’s funny
What day did you go in? I'm pretty sure it caught me landing on 36L yellow dot. Kind of cool.
I was in Sunday and again on Thursday but 27 then.
@@SpreadAviation We rolled in Sunday as well, fairly early because the plane behind us blew a tire and they shut the runway down briefly.
Thanks for the ride along. Driving to Osh Thursday.
Safe travels!
That’s not a warbird.
Then why does the Chilean Air Force fly them? #checkmate
@@SpreadAviation so all SR-22s should fly the warbird arrival by that logic?
You haven’t listed a military that uses the SR-22.
The purpose of the warbird approach is so that aircraft which would have a hard time operating safely at the slow speeds and low altitudes of the normal approach have a way to do so closer to their normal operating speeds.
A fellow aerobatic competitor flew in a Twin Comanche and was already having a hard time keeping it flying at 90 when the Cherokee he was following dropped full flaps at midfield downwind and slowed to 65. You’re not keeping a Twin Comanche in the air that slow and it creates a collision hazard. There’s nothing in the NOTAM that says you can’t do the procedure, but you must be able to maintain the high speeds of the other airplanes.
@@SpreadAviation no, that’s the purpose of the 130kt Fisk arrival at 2300 feet. Did you read the Notam?
“Maintain 90 knots (or maximum cruise speed if below 90 knots) and 1,800’ MSL. If unable, maintain 135 knots and 2,300’ MSL.”
ATC tend to forget aircraft holding at warbird… Then they sent the F4 to 36R anyway
It was awesome to share the sky with a Corsair… and a little ominous when he was creeping up on my tail.
Those Corsairs are cool… They typically send the Warbird hold to 27.
But that was different… Never seen the warbird arrival… Thanks for the ride.
@@SpreadAviation Not many folk can claim they had a Corsair creeping up on their tail these days!
I'm new to SA. What is the right triangle on the wing?
Never mind. I found the video. :)
Awesome! Thanks for asking!
BC is really nice FBO.
Yup!
What's Fiske?
FAA waypoint and part of the arrival procedure into Oshkosh.
FISK?
@@swiftadventurer It's a town in Wisconsin
@@SpreadAviation I know FISK is the town; I've done the approach. Wondering if FISKE was something else.
@swiftadventurer it’s the RNAV fix
Bucket list!
Do eet.
Nice job Rob.
Thank you!
That was good.
Thank you
thats one hell of a wrap
It’s paint. Come see it!
@@SpreadAviation Wow thats awesome dude, sadly im not at osh! Next year I will.
I really appreciate your videos. I don't fly but I really got to know about Oshkosh this past year. We moved to the mid-west from Southern California a couple of years ago. I never realized there were so many planes landing at Oshkosh. We use to go to Miramar for the airshows, Edwards and Lemoore years and years ago. I have friend that flew out of Lemoore (Sidewinders F18's) out of there. He's since been out for a while now and actually flew to Oshkosh a couple of years ago. Have fun there and "Kick the tires and light the fires"🤙
Thank you! Hope you get to experience the spectacle!
@@SpreadAviation 🤙
Beautiful day to arrive at Oshkosh Rob! Thanks for the video… next year!!
Formation next year