Royal Marine Reacts To Nordic Air Force Finland, Norway, Denmark, and Sweden
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I'm from Danmark, and I love this since the Nordic countries have always stuck together :) so this is just great.
You are so right! We nordic people must protect ourselves!
We stick together against outsiders, yes.
But we do have a history of what can only be discribed as sovereign nations version of sibling rivalry.
I.E. "No one is allowed to beat up my brothers. That my job."
We have been beating up on eachother for almost 1000 years.
Of course, these days its not armed conflict, just snide comments and some (not always so) gentle ribbing.
@@The_Keeper Sure, but we have stuck together for the last 50+ years. no passport is needed to travel between the countries. trading is easy, help with forest fires, and so on.
and I'm sure if someone invades one of the countries, the rest will help. :)
(snide comments and some (not always so) gentle ribbing.) I agree, but I think it's mostly for fun :P
@@Favorline Probably so.
I guess even countries have to grow up eventually.
And it only took us 1000 years. :D
Hi Denmark, from Norway❤ det er deilig å være Norsk i Danmark 🇳🇴🇺🇦🇸🇪🇩🇰🇫🇮❤️
Gripen has an advantage that it can land/refuel/refill/take-off from any regular road 800 m long in 10 min. Sweden has over 8000 ”airfields” that are Gripen compliant.
Finland has done this with all previous planes as a regular practice, currently with F/A-18. It has been demonstrated in Finnish roadbases that F-35A can manage dispersed operations. I doubt it would have been chosen had that been impossible, because this is something so integral to accepted doctrine.
Nah, around 200 "Gripen compliant airfields" is more correct.
Finland has the same system of road airfields and they have around 100 "Gripen compliant airfields" and they will incorporate their future f-35 to that system.
Mind well that the f-35 CAN operate from road bases but it comes at a higher operational cost than operating it from protected mega airfields (and the operational cost of the f-35 is already at least 3-4 times the Gripen).
Gripen is better suited for it but the f-35 CAN do it.
@@mrSkandalpolisen Sure. Probably 200 designated road stretches. 8000 is verified hearsay. ;)
F-35 also has that capability, as has been demonstrated by the Finnish airfoce
@@Mkoivuka It was the Norwegian airforce on a Finnish roadbase. All fighters of the Finnish airforce can and must do this and so must the F-35.
Finland is always welcome to land on Swedish soil.
We love our Finnish brothers and sisters 💖
(outside Hockey season, obviously 🤣)
Correct and that hockey thing is super correct ! 😆 ❤ from 🇫🇮
@@reht1i can agree as a swede
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Outside hockey season. I just wanted to stress that one more time.
Very good! We nordic people must defend ourselves! As a Norwegian I envy you for your hockey teams!
THE US LOVES THE NORDIC COUNTRIES!
The Gripen is a very capable aircraft. My cousin is in the Air Force and has participated in exercises with Sweden. He says that the Gripen can perform maneuvers that would make a quail lose its lunch. He says that in close proximity there is no other aircraft in the world that turns like it. The only drawback is that it has a shorter range than most other fighters but considering its size it can't carry as much fuel. But then the Swedes main worry is the Russians, not someone 3,000 miles away.
Most of Sweden's homegrown arms industry is targeted toward countering Russia's Army, air force and navy. Grippen or Griffin is it would translate to in English, is designed so it can land, get rearmed and refueled and then take of from civilian roads in Sweden due to the country being quite long and narrow and its designers was well aware that airbases would be a prime target in case of a Russian attack.
Sweden should sell 10 Grippen to Finland, Denmark and Norway for very cheap. This would then get these airforces used to the jet, and they will be much more likely to buy any newer Grippen planes, and it would make it easier for the countries to work together. But of course these countries should still keep a good part F35s etc.
@@alexanderishere1857 That is an excellent idea.
Norway given the F16 Falcons to ukraine slava ukraine🇳🇴❤️🇺🇦
it can fuel in air or carry xtra fueltanks =)
This is not a competition about which fighter is the best, JAS 39 Gripen or the F35. Both bring different capabilities to the table and working together we are strong! No need to flex muscles!
Sweden will keep using the Jas 39 Gripen. All the other nordic countries will be using F-35's.
jas is going to be great variation to this.. f-35s and Jas Grippen working together.. pure awesomness
@@MKitchen75yeah! Something that can takeoff from everywhere, and a super stealth fighter
Gripen is one hell of a plane and SAAB made amazing cars too. Love them. Greetings from Finland to everyone.
...and jas 39e is commander version
@@biopower5160 We landed norwegian F-35's on swedish roads in a test so we can do that 🙂
Most of Norway's (ca 30?) F-16 went to Romania on a NATO transfer. The rest of the "good" machines are gifted to Ukraine (10-15) alongside machines from Denmark and Netherlands also being in the process of adopting the F-35.
Yes, the Gripen can send and receive information with the F-35, similar to how the USA is developing "mixed" tactics between their stealth and more visible aircraft like the F-15, -16 and 18 with the F-22 and -35. What is not mentioned is that the Nordics will be totally OP when it comes to air surveillance, SIGINT and Electronic Warfare. Remember, Norway is rigged to be the NATO eyes and ears into Northern Russia/Kola Peninsula where pretty much the entire Russian strategic nuclear missile submarine fleet is parked ca 100 km from our Russian border, plus of course sniffing the Barents Sea, Norwegian Sea and Greenland sea between Norway and Greenland north of Iceland. At the same time, Sweden and Finland have independently run the same (not so much Atlantic-focused though) intelligence, surveillance, EW and SIGINT. It is in practice triple redundancy.
I know that there has been substantial intelligence sharing between Norway/NATO and Sweden and Finland going on for decades, so those systems are up and running. Yet, we all expect massive value when we start to collectively analyse the full data collectively.
This and the layered North American "NORAD"-like system (layered early warning and air-defence that involves Canada and USA for North America) being in early planning will boost the defence of the entire Nordic/Scandinavian Peninsula tremendously, with all the value it gives "downstream" for Northern Europe and the UK.
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We (Norway) had 57 F16s, sold 32 to Romania. There is a plan to donate to Ukraine, but the number is still unclear (we will have 25 left). We are also participating in training ukrainian pilots, and we already donated two to them for training.
Hello to all. I live in Denmark, and our four countries are just a blip away from Russia. Our small island Bornholm, is a good example. Our Air Force has many times been on their wings to escort Russian planes back to their own skies.... So, I am also glad that our armed forces are taking up good relations again.. Love your channel.... And about The Gripen. Yees. A video about the JAS39 Gripen E. They are shoehorning a lot of technology into that version to counter Sukhoi's.... Regards from Denmark. Alex
Hi, I am also from Denmark and can tell you that I have currently ordered 27 F-35 fighter jets. but our Ministry of Defense and our government talked about expanding the fleet even more and 60 could well be a fine number, maybe less. we also decided to donate all our F16 planes to Ukraine and trained/are training their pilots to use western fighters instead of their own Migs that they have from the time of the Soviet Union. our F16 planes have also been in combat before and are combat tested so it is a good opportunity to send them another combat and donate it to the Ukrainian here besides that we have also donated all our artillery to Ukraine because they need better that than we have.
@@Danethetitanthey talk about selling 24 F-16’s to Argentina?
Ahh... Escorting Russian planes back to their airspace. In a twisted way it gives me comfort we have such a thing in common. Steels the resolve if worse comes to wear with the enemy from the east. Best wishes from Finland. Glad our countries are working together!
Jeg har aldrig hørt om det samarbejde før. Hvornår er det blevet besluttet?
@@flemmingjensen3202 Tilbage i marts 2023
Can you imagine, anywhere in the world, that 4 different countries can do something like this...; Nordic unite !!!
The SAAB 35 Draken that flew for the first time in 1955 used the Swedish air defence control network STRIL 60 system from 1964 and integrated the AA systems with each other. STRIL were a nation wide air defence system that started with STRIL 50 in the 1950's and with STRIL 60 all the systems shared the data even with the aircrafts that could share target information between each other. The Draken used a mechanical system while the JA/A 37 Viggen got a electronic computer. JAS 39 Gripen used STRIL 90 and get data from a lot of sources, including the SAAB 340 Argus AEW as well as being NATO compatible.
Delegated target aquisition, whoop-dee-doo. It also fell out of the sky like the Vasa-skip on it's first flight. Guess you think it's better then С-300П/С-300ПТ. Swedens only war effort the last three hundred years has been to actively aid foreign aggressors in backstabbing their closest neighbours repetedly, so just keep talking. The question is if your delusional or just confabulate.
I think all the Nordic nations . Should cooperate , and work with SAAB . Maybe go after some top people in the US .
And build up a really large company . That can produce almost anything . That is just in a modern war . We could take all Norweagian , Danish , and Finlands arms manufactors . And Invite the three nation in Baltikum .
And build a real nordic power house . When it comes to manufacture weapons .
Every state could own 10 % of the shares . And make the rest be awailable to the public .
@@Rasputin489 Then again we had SAS.
JAS, or Jakt , Attack, Spaning, is simply “Hunt, Attack, Reconnaissance”.
It’s a great jet, and as mentioned before us Swedes eat that stuff up without a second thought. We (used to) learn about our military power from childhood in schools haha
One thing to note is while Attack relates to surface attack so is it not primarily bombing but anti-shipping that is the role it's designed for.
Yeah every Swede is translating jakt to hunt. While it is correct, the international nomenclature is F for Fighter.
The Nordic are back, those east of them should be very scared.
Something that is important to note with the Gripen is that its built for one purpose, to fight Russia.
You should react to the Swedish solutions and hardware, Sweden actually produces really advanced and interesting stuff that is designed quite differently from the usual US/NATO hardware while still being compatible with them (So I'm pretty sure they can be integrated and communicating directly with NATO systems).
The Swedish military solutions and hardware is usually customized from the ground up for the Swedish conditions, both in terms of terrain/weather and specifically imagining the Russians as the most probable threat. They're obviously much smaller and not made with the US/NATO doctrine of just brute force and domination, Sweden has traditionally been forced to prioritize bang-for-the-buck, advanced smart solutions and out-of-the-box thinking in order to take on a bigger enemy and hold its ground. That's why a lot of military experts and bloggers actually think that if there were just more of the Gripen, they'd actually be a much better solution for Ukraine in their current situation than the F16 is. Regardless, this customized approach makes for solutions that can be quite different and interesting to react to, compared to the standard US/NATO equipment most countries use today.
Examples:
Their combat aircraft. The Gripen as well as its predecessors in their time, The Draken and the Viggen (The Viggen was the only aircraft to get an acknowledged radar lock on the SR-71, and they did it on multiple occasions in the late 70s to the late 80s.)
Their AEW&C platform, the GlobalEye.
The shoot-and-scoot state-of-the-art artillery system, the Archer.
Their IFVs, the CV90, as well as their many versions and prototypes that the platform can be customized into. One prototype version of the CV90 that could be interesting to react to is the is the so called T Ghost - Invisible Tank.
Their super-silent state-of-the-art diesel submarines that have, not to say too much up-front, shown themselves to be _VERY_ effective in training exercises against very big and powerful opposition.
That's just to mention some of the more current stuff, because since WW2 they've developed a lot of quite unique and interesting hardware, like a main battle tank that was both turret-less and had amphibious capabilities (?!), the Strv103.
Even, to change tracks slightly, the event where a Soviet submarine - probably carrying nuclear warheads - ran aground and got stuck on the Swedish south coast in 1981, back when neutral Sweden was still fairly well-armed in order to meet Soviet military pressure and make some sort of plausible threat to deter the Soviets from trying to invade. This event almost started a war on multiple occasions within just a few days. It was obviously in the news at the time, but the full information of how serious the situation was was only declassified some time later. There's a documentary on RUclips about it called "Whiskey on the Rocks" (in Swedish with subtitles).
There's also the time when a state-of-the-art American SR-71Blackbird blew one of it's engines over the Baltic Sea, and the Swedish airforce had to scramble jets to meet up with it and escort it towards a NATO base until the Danish (NATO) airforce could take over the escort, in order to make sure the Soviets didn't try to shoot it down to get their hands on it. This was declassified by the US many years later and the Swedish pilots got medals for their assistance. This also exists on RUclips.
There's a treasure trove of things to react to within the Swedish military space. 🙂
Even though I am genetically coded to hate Sweden, I find it is a travesty that Denmark opted to replace Vingen with F 16 and did bit upgrade to Grippen.
@@RaccoonAvenger Likewise, in the opposite direction. I still find myself watching the "kamelåså" comedy sketch about the Danish language every couple of months on RUclips. It doesn't get any less funny. 😜🤣
Still, jokes aside, nowadays it's more like siblings play-fighting out of love. We have too much in common not to have each other's backs if things ever get serious. ❤ (and Norway is the youngest of the siblings and everyone's favorite anyways 🙃 )
@@sircoolalot9471 if Russia ever made a move on Sweden, the Danes would be the first to show up to help Sweden.
Only we can bully the flagcoppycats
@@RaccoonAvengerDanes and Norwegians would probably be the second and third to arrive if Sweden was under attack, but only because Russia had to go past Finland first.😂
The CV90 is arguably the best IFV in the world with the best anti-drone capabilities.
Sorry - long comment ;-) …. The reason why Sweden has chosen their own Gripen has to a very large extent something to do with the fact that the planes are made to be able to land on the Swedish main roads and a good number of smaller country roads. Thus, there are designated decentralized air stations all over Sweden that operate exclusively by using the existing road network. The F-35 and virtually all other NATO aircraft are too big (wide) for this. Either in the landing gear or in span. For the same reason, you will also see that in areas with forests with roads through them, the trees are trimmed to a few meters from the edge of the road, so that the plane can have its wheels on the asphalt and the wings have plenty of free space on the sides.
Road signs are made to be quickly removed or are already placed so that they are outside the danger area.
Then if you need a decentralized airfield, you simply drive a "control tower" with radar and other support personnel (CAT service, mechanics, etc.) out to the chosen location. Try to think what it means if you, as an enemy, want to destroy the air force's ability to operate - it will be next to impossible. So I understand very well the Swedes' choice - and I know for sure that the radio and computer communication between the JAS-39E has already been developed and will be more or less fully integrated, among other things with the help of a Danish company that makes some of these parts for The F-35
And as far as I know, it is actually intended that representatives from the air forces of the four countries should be in a joint operations center, which makes the part of information exchange that happens at this level easy.
In addition, it must also be remembered that Denmark, Norway and Sweden in particular have worked closely together for many years, and on the sea side it is not at all uncommon that e.g. Denmark / Sweden take over and / or assist each other, if e.g. a Russian vessel deviates from the sailing plan and route. Sweden has even carried out patrol duty in Danish waters, on behalf of the Danish navy, so the cooperation is old, but has now been set down on paper for the air force in the countries. And the fact that everyone is now in NATO makes it even better.
Come to think of it, Russia has Kaliningrad - the only year-round ice-off port they have, but what can they use it for when Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania lie and control the Baltic Sea? Nothing After all, there are both ships and planes, and in several places many land-based systems that will be able to lock them in.
So yes - I can understand that little man Putin is a little nervous...
The fact that four countries are now part of Denmark will absolutely make it easier to run this community, as you can now do it together and openly, where before Norway and Denmark had to think much more about what they might share with Sweden and Finland, and also had to say yes/no to tasks based on what NATO was doing in terms of operations.
Gripen is a great plane. If Norway made planes on the same level as Sweden, we would probably do the same. Our Swedish brothers make good gear.
video on Gripen-E (Supergripen)
The Gripen didn't get any room at all almost, it took down 6 F-16 and downed two F-18's(or 22's can't rember but probably 18) while damaging one in air combat practice in Canada. The spoofing system and the 90 degree radar arangement (total 180 degrees), while also is built to be lifted from regular roads as no other fighter can. The F-22 will have to ingage in a dogfight against this one and would probably be shot down before or aborting mission as it will jam the radar sending out signals causing the Ground/Air to register 2 additional gripens per unit.
In Finland we have been ready for over hundred years.
And you have proven it.... Twice...
I love my nordic neighbours and our beautiful countries.
Finland has 62 F-18/A Hornets, not 50. Beauty of them is JASSM air-to-ground long range cruise missiles, that only 4 nations have.
I recomend watching the Danish documentary about Danish soldiers in afghanistan called "min krig"(My war). It shows them figthing with the brits and it also has english subtitles. you can find it on RUclips.
Edit. the series has 4 seperate parts covering danish contingents to Helmand province and specificaly Spin Masjed. Part 3 and 4 is where they cooperate with the British. The entire series is filmed by the Danish soldiers own helmet cams.
Also "Armadillo".
This new focus on the Baltic is hopefully a testament to how we have successfully kept the north Atlantic.. and our fjords are deep and our oceans are vast.. safe. Particularly with a view to whom we find wanting to control us, a neighbor 🇳🇴
Both Finland and Sweden have been Nato compliant long before they joined Nato. The planes are communicating with common protocols including Link 16 for military tactical data link, so the information sharing has been there for a long time.
Greetings from Northern Norway 🇳🇴
Hello neighbor. Watching this in Narvik 😁🇸🇯🇸🇯
cool howdy... how you guess my area@@not-a-raccoon
@@TrymTheXboxGamer lucky? 🤣
oh well@@not-a-raccoon
You should do a Gripen video. From what I understand the Swedes have leaned very heavily into the philosophy of making it cheap to run and able to operate from small dispersed bases. The result is a plane with a cost/flight hour about a third that of the Lightning, and which can land on a forest road, be refuelled and rearmed crazy fast by about half a dozen people to return to the fight. I believe it’s also compatible with some very effective new longer range European missiles, so I imagine there’s an option for Swedish Gripens to be missile trucks shooting for the Lightnings sneaking ahead to pick targets.
12-15 minutes then its going back to the fight refueled and armed
You mean the Meteor. An awesomely advance missile, more advanced than the famous AMRAAM
Don’t forget us Icelanders, I have a DJI drone 😅
The JAS-39 Griffon is amazing. The front canard placement is *designed* to destabilize the plane. The computer stabilizes by constant micro-maneuvers. But when you need to turn…. Extreme agility.
Denmark has ordered 27 F-35's, wiht the possibility of buying additional 10 at a later time.
The Gripen is a very capable little fighter. It has the smallest radar cross section out of all the 4th gen fighters out there. It was also the first fighter that could carry the Meteor BVR missile, arguably the most lethal medium-long range missile in service around the world right now. The E variant can carry 7 of those, which makes it extremely deadly for Russian fighters which generally have quite a large radar cross section and therefore can be detected from very far away.
Love a video on Gripen. I'd like to add as there were little info on future capabilities for Sweden. The airforce will in the coming years upgrade all Gripen to the E version AND add 60 more to the current number.
They should give away their C/D variants to Ukraine
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 It's a nice sounding idea, except there will only be one small country to help Ukraine with training of both pilots and ground crew. Learning to maintain an aircraft takes longer than it takes to learn to fly it. And Sweden will be the sole manufacturer of spare parts. The reason why the F-16 was chosen was because it is the most numerous fighter jet in existence. You can get new and used spare parts for it everywhere, and there is a much larger pool of air frames to draw on. Ukraine has already been promised over 40 F-16s in total, and there will be more in the pipeline as things progress.
@@andersjjensen Sure, however if there's an aircraft that is easy to learn to maintain and fly then it's a Gripen and it has Meteor compatibility. The Meteor will be a game changer in the air.
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 And what about pilot and technician training? It takes a long time to get fully operationell on the Gripen.
Gripen is not just a plane, it's a weapon system. So it takes more than just the plane, you need all the infrastructure as well.
"The Gripen E's unique avionics architecture allows software updates to be made within hours, giving the user a constantly upgraded machine."
It pretty much has 2 computers, 1 that handles all flight stuff so the plane can fly. And one for everything else like EW and such. Super easy to update without something going derp since everything is not so tightly bound together in the code.
Thats one of the biggest bonuses, if they want to see if a change actually works in a live trial, its super easy.
With the F-35 ... it can take weeks or months since it only has 1 computer that handles everything. If they want to check a update, they update and then they have to troubleshoot the entire freakin plane so it handles like it should, so throttle up doesnt fire a missile and dumb stuff like that xD. All for a change that has nothing to do with avionics, but the radar system.
And now when all the four brotherhood countries have become Nato members, our collaborations becomes even better and more important! 👍
Exactly, together we are really strong. Greetings from Finland!
fun fact, the F35 helmet HUD was co created with Norwegians
Yeah bro, do a review of the JAS, get some insight on the Viggen and Draken too please. As I can see a complete lack of understanding what SAAB put into the system. Also the situational awareness systems they have been running since 70s. By the way, F18 shares the design of the double delta which came with Draken. Eurofighter is similar to the Viggen which pioneered with canards. Not everything is made in USA
Just like IKEA and ABBA it stands for something, for SAAB it is "Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget".
And to further add to this, "JAS" (As in JAS 39 E Gripen) is short for "Jakt, Attack, Spaning" which translates to (Hunt, Attack, Reconnaisance). This comes from the plane's capability for Swing Role, i.e. to switch between the different roles while in mid-air.
Gripen-E (latest version) is a very capable aircraft and loose to F35 A) basically on the stealth capabilities, that-s why it is common to hear that the Gripen-E is 5th Generation but only because it is not Stealth.. And I believe it adds more to this jointed air force than anything as it is locally produced meaning they don't rely on imports or bans, also, you can research about the Sweden mentality, these Gripen planes can land and take of basically from any strip of road that is straight enough, they can be serviced from a land crew without scaffolds or stairs and basically everything needed to resupply one of these can be carried in a truck. They usually do exercises like this were they close a straight of road, the plane lands, the crew replenish the aircraft, turn it around and the pilot take of. This is not possible with the F35's and F16's. Yes, having the interoperability of the Lockheed systems will be huge value, but when the planes need to land to be reamed they will still have Grippens flying overhead protecting the sky and giving them time to do their land tasks the right way and take of safely to execute their missions with excellence. Plus, there is the matter of fighter jets design doctrine difference between USA and Europe that I think is important to have in a Combined Air Force Like this. Europeans usually goes for Delta wings and frontal cannards because they build planes for interception, when they detect the enemy it usually are very close to their border so they need to get in the air fast and climb really fast so they need all the wing surface they can get, wyle the USA does not have powerful enemies right at their borders and can afford to build fighter jet's with different designs with specific roles in mind... I do Agree this JDI was a HUGE step forward in the region even more now that Sweden officially requested NATO to make of Gotland Island into an 'unsinkable' Aircraft carrier and weaponize the hell out of the island in the middle of the Baltic Sea...
And regarding NATO... Not sure if your heard about, but it was approved the Bill of €2.5 billion, and the works have already started on Mihail Kogalniceanu base in Romania, that is expected to be 20% larger than Rammstein Base in Germany. Just 17Km from the Black Sea (Sources: www.newsweek.com/nato-builds-largest-europe-base-black-sea-romania-1880210 , www.agenzianova.com/en/news/Romania%3A-Work-begins-on-the-largest-NATO-base-in-Europe/ , mil.in.ua/en/news/romania-builds-largest-nato-base-in-europe/)... So, I am pretty sure that if Turkey stop playing the double agent things would be way better in the region... I just am sorry for Armenia right know...
the netherlands and belgium share airspace quick reaction force duties. so every so often the netherlands stands on guard to intercept planes if needed and the belkgium takes over and does the same.
The Swedish air force has very interesting history in aircrafts we made many strange but good choices.
My grandfather was involved in the design for Tunnan or the barrel in English. I highly recommend watching videos about it.
I think you need to realise that aircraft like the f-16 and Gripen are actually many different generations of the same platform. So the F-16A/B Block 10/15 MLU’s of Denmark and Norway are actually getting old and needed to be replaced. The Gripen C/D of Sweden are being replaced by the Gripen E.
JAS 39 Gripen. "JAS=Jakt, Attack, Spaning", Tranlated: Hunt, attack, reconnaissance, "Gripen" means Griffin, the methodical animal and also the coat of arms of Scania that SAAB uses.
Also, that United Air Force now rocks well above 100 F-35s along with a bunch of JAS39s which is nothing to scoff at.
*That is not bad.*
In fact might be better than the whole Russian Air Force
It certainly, when all the F-35s have been delivered, will be a force to recogn with for anyone who'd be dumb enough to try to attack us **coughcough russia cough**
SAAB has its own channel where you can find some short videos on the Grippen
Finland use road airfields too. Many tens of them. Trying to keep planes somehay save wrom russian danger. Decentralised, and part of them deep underground (in the rock). And other countries, when east attack.
Yes, the F-jets can operate that way if absolutely necessary, but JAS-39 Gripen is the only fighter that has been developed especially for dispersed operation. Like how the air intakes are made so that debris from the road can't be sucked into the engines, as is an issue on other jets. The length of the runway needed for JAS is very short. Among other things that makes JAS different.
Finland operates 54 (it was 55 but the first one to be retired was handed over to Patria for dismantling & wear-and-tear analysis on Friday) C -model Hornets and seven D -models.
I think one of the big things about the Gripen is the hardpoints for weapon mounting.. The F35 has 4 (working on making it 6) internal hardpoints.. So to stay stealthy, the main point in the jet, they can carry 4 missiles.. The Gripen how ever, has 10 hardpoints.. I belive it has the most of any modern jet (im not 100% sure tho)
Intresting that they dident mention that information sharing feature brought up for the F-35 for the Swedish Jas 39 Gripen becouse i´m pretty sure they have hade that system feature in the C or D version of the aircraft for quite a number of years now. Maybe not the exact same but the C or D version have definatly been using a system like that to link radar and targeting data betwinn different assets.
It’s interesting that just very recently a Massive Amount of Phosphate ( a rare mineral that is used for many things like fertilizer) which makes Norway owner of about 50% of earths known phosphate !!! This recent find has been estimated to be worth an estimated 37 Trillion dollars !!!!!!!!! Phosphate plus Norways production of petroleum and natural gas make it a Hugely large financial powerhouse !! Having direct family ties to Norway makes me really happy for Norway !! In the near future these Scandinavian countries will be significant addition to NATO !!!
Norway sold their f16 to Romania. Denmark is in the process of donating their f16 to Ukraine, training their pilots.
as a swede im a bit biased but people underestimate the gripen, saab has been making fighter jets for a long time and they are very capable. sweden has about 96 gripen today and 60 more gripen E versions are being delivered to the swedish airforce in the coming years. a couple years ago gripen completely humiliated the f16s in red alaska, 3 gripen faced 5 f16s in three rounds and the scoring was: 5-0, 5-0 and 5-1. the f16 lost all planes every round and one gripen was shot down and i think that says alot.
A great video would be about all 3 euro fighters… the eurofighter typhoon, the dassault rafale and the j39 gripen. All VERY similar airframes and they roam all of Europe.
I wanted to say: _"Yes, PLEASE do a video on the Swedish SAAB _*_Gripen_*_ fighter"_ ...and you already did. Big smile. Thank you for an interesting video. I will watch the Gripen-video next.
As a part of the Danish community I love the F-16😍😍😍
Denmark also replaced all their F-16s with F-35s, but did not get them from the United States as they had delivery problems. Denmark is sending 19 F-16s to Ukraine and is currently training Ukrainian pilots in Denmark and the planes will begin arriving in Ukraine between May and June.
I think this is an amazing idea. Gripen can easily be fitted to work with the rest of the systems. I think the biggest worries will be outside threats and reactions to the whole deal.
As a swede, I feel like we just got a bunch more planes. And what we offer is advanced air force weapons. I think its safe to say that the Swedish air force is the best of all 4, but also the smallest. But we are the only nation in here that produce our own planes. And swedes aren't bad at making radars...
Also, we dont need an air force base. We need a small stretch of road and a little truck. ;)
Btw, these "ping and other guys knows" idea is basically Swedish. Viggen for example was the first plane that could fire radar missiles that were guided by nearby aircrafts radar, avoiding enemy warnings to trigger. We also have the same system as our planes have in our tanks. So a Gripen could literally fly above an enemy target, ping it, and airty and tank forces can flank and attack, or retreat of too many enemies are found.
I think they should expand this integrated airforce to the Baltic states inorder to provide for optimal protection of these areas which would be the most likely place they would be needed. The Baltic nations dont have as much airpower, but they will be the ones the manning the frontline airdefence and closest runways that would be used. This will also allow cost savings as Baltics lower labor costs would allow many basing and logistics operations to be provided to the combined Airforce at lower cost and allow the smaller Baltic economies to contribute in the most cost effective way. On a similar note an integrated Baltic Navy now makes sense to solidify control of the Sea and further streamline information flow between the air and naval forces in the region.
Absolutely do a video about JAS 39 Gripen! It would be interesting to hear your take on it.
Sweden has had an extremely-well-developed air coordination system since the late 1960s. They were able to track, and intercept, an SR-71 back in the day, because of this. The latest JAS-39 is not as stealthy as the F-35 but it has been offering many of the F-35's capabilities (sensor fusion, data nodes, etc.) for multiple years. In that regard, Sweden is ahead of the pack on those capabilities. Bringing them into this kind of alliance, and into NATO, is adding some SERIOUS capabilities to both.
Denmark and the Netherlands are both offering to transfer their F-16s to Ukraine. Denmark is one of the countries which has been training Ukrainian pilots on the F-16. They're getting F-35s so they can decommission their F-16s or they can send to someone else who can use them.
The guy who is about to ascend to the throne in Denmark, crown prince Christian, is an F-16 fighter pilot.
The F-16 is also commonly used as a Wild Weasel (taking out SAM sites and AA guns) and the F-18 is the basis for the Growler, one of the most-capable jamming aircraft in use today.
Awesome! I think they should have done that a long time ago.
You should watch some videos about jas 39 gripen, this plane is built to fight russia, its cheap to operate and needs just a few people to reload and maintain and be ready to take off in 15-20 minutes, it can take off on small roads so they can hide in the forest up in the north of Sweden.
Why would Sweden buy F-35? We have JAS-39 Gripen, which is created to suit the requirements of Sweden.
Also cheaper.
Seeing that Russian air defence is "a bit lack luster" staying with a 4th gen fighter, that is cheap, reliable and plentiful, makes sense. Especially now where F-35s can do the deep strike missions where stealth is vital. It's a ballsy move to trust your brothers to have your back in that regard, but Swedes have never been known to be pussies.
@@nikolajwinther5955 And better, in general, at least for the way it'll be used around here in the North.
I'm actually not sure whether the carrier based landing gear made for rough landings and quick stops played a role in the choice of the F18 originally for Finland. The reason i think it probably did is that here in Finland there are several highways that are made to be fighter landing strips. It's a key part of spreading the aircraft fleet apart and keeping it safe and operational. And some of those highway landings can definitely be rougher than airbases.
As a Norwegian, the fact that Finland and Sweden now enters NATO, makes real a dream that could not be realised in 1945-49.
Norway and Denmark felt a pure Nordic defence alliance would be too weak. Finland was in the sphere of the Soviet Union. Sweden felt its neutrality had kept it safe during WW2.
For me, it was a feeling of elation when Sweden and Finland jointly applied for membership in NATO. I knew then that the big strategic fear in Norway during the Cold War, that a Russian attack through Northern Finland and Northern Sweden to cut through to the coast in Northern Norway was dead.
Norwegian defence planning has always depended on holding out in Troms in Northern Norway till Allied help could arrive. The best defence line for such a strategy has a weak point in that a thrust further south through Finland and Sweden could cut off parts of Northern Norway. The fear was always that Sweden and Finland would not contest such an advance from Russia.
This is now dead. The moment the border in Finland is crossed, we now know article 5 will be triggered.
In the years that come, I hope we can integrate our defence planning in the Nordic countries. Here in Norway I feel we have a lot to learn from Finland especially. The Finns have kept a very strong reserve and have a higher defence expenditure in percentage of GDP than we do in Norway.
On the whole, we will be stronger together in the Nordic countries now, and we'll be able to make a solid contribution to other NATO allies in the years ahead.
You maybe already heard, but SAAB started manufacturing fighter- and bomberplanes in the 1930s. SAAB is an acronym for Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget, lit. 'The Swedish Aeroplane Corporation'
The aircraft talking to each other and using weapons on the ground is called Mosaic Warfare- what is the best weapon for the job.
A Scandinavian Air Wing would be a definite plus for these countries. Denmark in particular has neglected its military for decades and only now has finally woken up. It sorely needs to get its air force properly trained in air combat. What could be a real initiative would be to create a Scandinavian "Red Flag" facility, Sweden would be a good base for it the Swedes have a modern aircraft industry they could have the base for the aircraft. Other than the Royal Air Force I dont think any other European air force has ever been on a Red Flag excersise.
32 of the Norwegian F16's with the logistical support are buyed second hand for 388M Euros by Romania witch will switch to F35 much later, around 2030. Just in case someone was wondering...
Just in case it's not clear: Most of the danish F-16s are being supplied to Ukraine, as more F-35s arrive to take their place, alongside national training facilities...
It's expected that the last F-16 will be gone by 2027, but most of their work will already have been taken over by the F-35 as early as late 2025. So instead of scrapping what is still a fully function fleet of F-16s, we decided to donate them to a place where they can make a difference.
This is one of the cost efficient way for smaller countries to have strong air defence. Joint defense air force allows pulling aircraft from danger to other field and to operate very large variation of missions.
Yup! Mess with one of us and face a giant problem soon.
Vikings will always stand together no matter what color the cross on the flag has. :)
Oh..btw..Putin may not be so interested in Gotland as the press writes....
As Finland has a number of Hawk education aircrafts and is a new member of NATO, Finland is going to provide education for foreign pilots.
Recently they have signed agreement with the RCAF, Royal Canadian air force.
But they have already cooperation with, maybe, two European countries. More are expected to follow, as a few European countries haven't updated their education systems.
It's expensive stuff, so cooperation is mandatory, and then Finland can offer space for excersicing, not only the aircrafts.
5:09 I heard in 2021 twelve Norwegian F-16A's were sold to Draken International a contractor for air services and they got a lot of ex military fighter jets around 150 of them.
Respect , Sweden Aircraft.!!!
"The F-16 is a very good fighter, and it's being replaced. Imagine how good the F-35 is".
True, the F-35 presents some significant upgrades compared to the F-16. But the major reason for Danmark, Norway, and Finland to upgrade/change their airfleet is that the planes are old. E.g: Denmark's F-16 fleet has already undergone two or three service-life extensions. Because of the age of that particular airframe, it's becoming a problem to fit new upgrades in technology into them.
Despite the age I still think F-16 is the best air superiority fighter ever built.
On another note, Sweden's JAS-39 is fully compatible with the ISS and SAS built into the F-35. The JAS-39 doesn't have quite as many sensors, so their ISS can only transmit about 85% of the info from an F-35. But in terms of reception and display, the JAS-39 has 100% capability.
I've always been hoping for a joint Nordic Military Force, not only a joint Air Force, we would been a force to be counted on, and as one of the most powerful military forces in that way... and this is one step to the right direction, I would say.
My family has been in the Airforce since the Vietnam War.
Now that Finland and Sweden has joined NATO.
The Baltic sea is now a NATO Lake..
Russia Look Out.
Hold on too your Ass
I Love The US Airforce and NATO ❤❤
Random thought: it's cool that the flags of each country is same flag design just different color scheme. Wonder if they'll find some way to combine them into one emblem to represent this joint force. Just random thought.
The overal design with the "cross" wich all nordic countries got symbolize christianity , and stems from "pihilip the apostle" wich was some preacher / apostle of Jesus
The Nordic kingdoms were united in the "Kalmar Union" (1397-1523). The "union flag" sported a red red cross against a golden background. Perhaps this symbol could be dusted off?
@@erikvanderheeg5729 Could be
@@erikvanderheeg5729 Too much drama with that flag, it being a sort of historical symbol of oppression in Sweden. Better in that case with a completely unrelated flag/symbol - something else that all our countries share would be better.
@vaylufa3211 Finland doesn't have a crown... i think at least.
But we all have some form of lion so why not use that, Norway a lion head with an axe next to it, Denmark a blue crowned lion head, Sweden a golden crowned lion, and Finland a lion with a saber through its head, partitioned in a nordic cross flag
For the best videos about the f35, I would really recommend millennium 7. Especially his video called “ the f35 in 2023 was…” It is a very long format video over 1 hour long but provides THE best information about the f35 on RUclips. You can react to it and split it into different parts.
Pretty easy. Between the Nordics, the Baltics, Poland and Germany, Nato owns the Baltic. Russia has 2 small access points left just south of Finland and in Kaliningrad, which is... well... not as well situated as it used to be behind the Iron curtain. It's pretty much game over on that field, although Putin would very much like to think differently.
That was a great one!
Finland does not and probably will never have a NATO military base, outside of storage facilities. We will host exercises, but that can be done with the current infrastructure. Finland kept up and has always done really pragmatic defence planning/spending, we have military bases where they're needed and nothing /official/ too close to the border. I wish there was more information about this public, but there is not and there's a reason for it.
Atleast you didnt call Finland scandinavian
Nice... Viking Air Power !!! Skål !! Kippis !! jubel !!
No vikings in Finland..just badass People.. vikings went to Russia and from there to Turkey because they didnt want to fight with finnish People..some respect they had...based on True story...😅
@@akiitkonen Finns were more like farmers and innkeepers. Sort of. A pitstop for vikings before raiding and plundering. No need to harm them.
The old aircraft _need_ to be replaced as the airframes have a limited lifetime due to metal fatigue. Look up what happened to the De Havilland Comet, for example.
The Nordic country is also unifying there uniforms with the NCU (Nordic Combat Uniform) same uniform but different camo. Might be cheaper to buy in bulk. I think the military is also looking into a unified weapon system to replace the old stuff like the Swedish AK5 (FNC 80/FN).
Denmark has made a second order for more F35s, so we will end up with more F35s than the mentioned 27 in the video.
I hope the treaty can include other military areas soon as well, like trupps or navy.
Gripen. Brought to you by the same people who made Volvo, Saab and IKEA. If that doesn't scare you...
It wouldn't surprise me if other European countries do more cooperation on defence and the military, I also suspect many EU members will do a lot more cooperation through the EU.
At the end of the day, the ultimate aim is defending one's homeland, cooperations makes us stronger in being able to do so, so I suspect we'll get a few of these smaller groupings working together that over the long run could lead to much bigger groupings of countries working thought the EU, which I don't think the EU will have much of a problem with none EU countries like the UK, Norway and Switzerland working with it, the aim is all the same, to prevent an aggressive force from messing with us, they are far less likely to do so if we work together.
Fantastic video
The Gripen J39 E has an electronic warfare suit and sensor-fusion on par with or probably better than F35. And it can fire the Meteor misile. I think the J39 and F35 go very good together.
I doubt your claims of it having better EW and sensor fusion. Especially with the F35 tech-refresh 3 along with the Block IV update, bringing the program to full capability and to the initial specifications specified. All f35s made until this point are actually handicapped versions of the full plane and not up to the initial specs until those upgrades come. The f35s can also fire the meteor as British specifications demanded
@@Ryanshaw-yc8bd The Gripen JAS39 E is a new beast, so much better than A,B,C or D versions. So different that they talked about change to a totally new name. Its bigger, more fuel=better range, super cruise, extremely capable E-warfare and radar (its talked about to put the same in the Eurofighter when they upgrade it). The E-warfare-system just dont jam/hide the Gripen from radar it can "spook" the enemys radar to think the Gripen is somewere else or projekt that there is more airplanes than its is to the enemys radar etc. Just check the Gripen E out.
@@Ryanshaw-yc8bd Hmm.. Well go ahead, doubt along.. 🤪 Meanwhile, you claim F-35 Block IV can fire Meteor now?.. That sounds nice however van it fit Meteor?.. One of the main problems was the original Meteor was too large for F-35's weaponbays.. & I haven't seen shrunk Meteor that would fix that problem, yet.. 🤔
@@leifiseland1218I am not completely sure on this, but from what I remember, the newest block increases the internal bay capacity. If thats the case, I guess it's possible that it'll fit in that case.
@@olapetersson3458 Electronic warfare extends throughout the electromagnetic spectrum in where there are various frequencies being used. The AQ 239 electronic warfare suite can cover nearly all frequencies that are relevant on the modern battlefield. It is all linked under the central computer which takes the information of the suite and processes it in a way transparent to the pilot. One of the most important updates of the block IV system in terms of EW warfare is the racks 2A and 2B which are the core processor of the system containing all of the programs and logic to create tracks to the system. Tracks are the bundles of information/records including firing solutions kinematic data, identification, and more. It can can be used to listen to every type of signal and classify it to extract useful tracks for the central computer, identifying aircraft to a very high degree of accuracy, just from the emissions of enemy aircraft. The concept is to identify electromagnetic, thermal, or less of an Optical signature and compare them with a library of known own signatures. The radar return signal bouncing back from a Target doesn't have the same waveform as the emitted signal the reflected signal has micro modulations that can be traced back to a specific object. Using this, the F-35 can identify even load out configurations and specific weapons or systems transported by enemy aircraft. The aircraft has many passive sensors that can create tracks. The F-35's active and passive sensors are the best that money can buy and their output is is rebuilt into a true picture of the air battle similar to the God's eye view found in video games the communication tools built into the aircraft allow the sharing of this picture with other assets and ground control centers. Managing the aircraft sensors and their output is a computationally heavy task. There is also the DAS through the aircraft creating a 360 3d visual sensation to the pilot. However THE most important part of the F-35 system in terms of Sensors and data link is the MADL data link. It was designed to share the very high quality tracks as stealthily as possible, transmitting its data using a directional beam and regulates the power to be just enough to communicate and remain hidden. The MADL treats each F-35 as a remote sensor. The movement of the aircraft of all the sensors involved and the kinematics of all the tracks involved need to be accounted for, so each aircraft intersects isochron curves that define the situation at a certain point in time and each aircraft being aware of the tracks generated by all the other aircraft can calculate the target position and kinematics with a very high accuracy. The key concept of this is to greatly increase the accuracy of passive sensors to the point that it is possible to generate firing Solutions in a completely passive manner, keeping the aircraft stealthy.Communication all done by the software the f35s. In fact it can communicate among themselves with the MADL but they use Legacy data links like LINK-16 to communicate information with other assets like f16s that cannot even understand threats the F-35 can. Anything communicating with it, can in fact, download firing solutions from the F-35 seeing the threat, allowing for multiple platforms like PATRIOT, F-16, F15, F18, and more to shoot and not just see targets cannot see for themselves, all generated in a completely passive way. This is unheard of. The Gripen may have something a very good sensor fusion and data link, but NOT to this complexity and scale the F-35 can do.
The big difference is that Swedish planes can fly while the Norwegian nedd repair creews and åarts from across a whole ocean to fly.
Yeah, make no mistake, Scandinavia is quite the power house. Combined airforce now, being able to practice together, sharing resources, learning together, more flexibility with airfields, Finland has a lot of kick ass artillery, these countries together is no joke.
And that joins NATO as a whole now more or less. It's one big block now.
And they will only start using the same systems or make them work together more and more now.
But as a whole, Europe and NATO has to learn one thing, we've slacked on production and spending. Without NATO basically all of us are done aside from the US, none could have a hope to hold up against Russia and or China. But now we see even the production of ammunition, small arms and especially artillery is woefully inadequate.
They're just too big, they have too many men and equipment, although that is quickly changing now. Russia can definitely win against Ukraine, they do not have the ammo and men and vehicles, even if we give them all but the men they likely cannot sustain this, but Russia can. We'll need to give them A SHITLOAD of equipment, defense, artillery, and drones to offset the shortage of people. We're not doing that.
Personally, send in Europe. Every country should be behind sending their military into Ukraine, even if they do not want to engage Russia directly, if only to defend and repair and maintain and do logistics, so Ukrain can fully focus on the fight, that will do so much. But even though Ukrain is not a NATO member, we can help them, nothing prevents us, and i think we should, we should draw the line at Russia's border. Let them threaten with nukes. We nmeed to draw the line, or we'll just keep moving it because the threat will remain. If he uses it, and i doubt it, Russia will no doubt be bombed to oblivion, not with nukes, but we won't need those.
F16`s was replaced for a reason. Lessons learned from The Russian border up against Norway. Beeing enthusiastic isnt enough, in terms of real life moments.
Just to give you some history and understanding... This was during the cold war when Finland was restricted by the Soviet in size of military even if they stole land from us: "After unofficial talks with their Sweden, the Swedes began storing surplus Saab 35 Drakens, to be transferred to Finland in the event of a war with the Soviet Union.". Like NATO really didn't change anything else than now Denmark and Norway can join in without issues/conflicting with NATO regulations. Like we have even a Nordic citizenship thing that allows you to move even more freely than with the EU rules and did exist before the EU open borders... like we have a golf course at the border "With 11 holes located in Sweden and seven in Finland"....
Like the whole joining NATO makes the EU corporation much easier also, like bureaucraZy can make easy things complicated...
Like I don't think there has ever been a problem for a fighter jet from Finland getting the right to land without escort in Sweden and the other way around, maybe an safety escort thou because why would they land there if there wasn't a problem or it wasn't a planned visit.
im from sweden and i have always dreamed of a nordic superpower. and also a Nordic Space Force or something like that. i want us to unite and become a great power.
I am so proud of the Nordic collaboration and cooperation on so many levels. Just moving as citizens within the Nordics is also super simplr nowadays (I emigrated from Finland to Sweden).
I am proud of Sweden for staying true to their of tech - and the Gripen E is great. But at the same time it annoys the living shit out of me that Sweden didnt opt for the F35 too. Especially now when this joint task force has been formed.
When all other nations use the F35, it means that each air force base can service all planes, spare parts at each base, every pilot can fly any plane, because they are all the same. Ammunition and ordenance can be shared. Except for the Swedish planes and airforce...
That said, I am still very happy this is a thing now. So despitr all the shit and horrors Putin has done and all the suffering he is causing in Ukraine, he has made a more united Europe than ever before (with the exceptions of the few countries being pro Russia of course)
During the Cold War - Sweden had the 4th largest airforce in the world
A joint Nordic air force is becoming one of the most capable on Earth, apart from the US and Chinese. It will soon have about 150 F-35s and about 100 JAS39, which makes comparable to the RAF/IAF/JASAF locally, even if the Nordics don't have the same force projection capability.
Even in a scenario where the US is unwilling or incapable (possibly due to being preoccupied around Taiwan), this should be enough to radically improve the security of the Nordic countries themseleves, and to be in a much better position if allied neighbours such as the Baltic countries or Poland would be in need of assistance in the future.
Which is more important than many may think, since Russia would not be stupid enough to launch and attack on Nato at a time where the US is in a position to defend Europe. Much more likely, a conflict with Russia would happen at a time where the US is either distracted by China or paralyzed by internal political polarization.
Finally we are working together, as we should always have done.
I know the #jägarsoldat series" maby almost becoming a meme to cover to get the Swedish watchers but we eat that shit up. :P