Could modern Russian military conquer Scandinavia?
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- Опубликовано: 30 апр 2020
- This video pits the Russian military against the combined military might of Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland. Could the Scandinavian quartet withstand the Russian offensive? What is each country's strongest card? And how would geography influence the outcome? This is a theoretical analysis, without any third party interference. Watch the video to find out how it'd all unfold!
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If Russia embarrassed itself with Ukrain, imagine with Scandinavia
It depends. Are we talking about a war with Scandinavia or a special military operation
Have they? They are now taking over Donbass and even the defences we have been building for last 8 years are being obliterated. Look at the reports of the ukrainian defence ministry. Every day a new area is being taken by the russians.
they wouldn’t make it across the boarder the terrain is very difficult with a motorized infantry they would be sitting ducks. in the winter war 1939 ten Russians died for one Fin and it would be even worse for them this time if they dared to try it. Finlands air force is much bigger and stronger then Ukraine’s and Russia can’t even control the airspace there. glory to the Ukrainians.
@@jmus6494 hahaha 🤣
you fool! don't underestimate war!
A year ago I would've believed this. After seeing what Ukraine has been capable of... My money is on Scandinavia.
yeah but that was with outside support
@@xbit_rex that was when russia had more tanks.
@@xbit_rex you don't think Scandinavia would have the same help?
@@sweetbarry no he said they would have no outside help
@@xbit_rex yeah but if this actually happened nato would have joined the war, because of denmark and norway being in nato
I think the more interesting question is “how long would it take for the combined Scandinavian military to capture St. Petersburg?” 😂😂😂. Less than two weeks is my guess.
Nahh invading Russia is a disaster for anyone who tries. They may be a shit show in Ukraine, but Napoleon and Hitler both learned the hardware you don't invade Russia.
@@mezlabor Those were both militaries without the infrastructure or preparation for a drawn out conflict in winter. That is not the case for the nordic states, nor would they be fighting on multiple fronts. Unless they used nukes, Russia would be screwed.
@@cooly2165 its not just the winter though. The Russian soldiers might be garbage now but if they're invaded those people will fight tooth and nail. Every bit as viciously as the Ukrainians.
I have considered accepting the responsibility of taking the mantle of world leadership.
I would probably start with expanding Finland to the Greater Finland and move up from there. After we join Nato, we could absorb Norway and Sweden as independent duchies in the spirit of Helsinki and forging our Nordic brothers and sisters into a single force with diamond focus. After we get this all sorted out, 3-4 days, 2 weeks tops. We would move to liberate Karelia and form the area into an autonomous state, something similar to Åland.
While we would roll over the western russia, we would occupy the historical Kievanrus territories all the way to Ukraine. Once the area would be secured, we would teach the current russians of where the Rus actually came from among with our true heritages (plural), while we would be chatting with Zelensky of Ukraine joining the Greater Finland as a Independent dutchy. I have reserved about a week for these negotiations, but am willing to expand it up to a month if needed.
The rest of russia would be given pretty much free reign on what they want to do, probably would need to help them form their independent nations and governments and to help them integrate and play nice with their friends.
To those wondering "You, and what army?". Well, the army would be only needed to secure any given area for a relatively short time. Mostly we would be using words of power. Depending on the situation. There would certainly be a need for a few 'PERKELE', but nothing we couldn't overcome.
Problems solved, you're welcome.
The only question that is up right now is what title I should use to rule Greater Finland. Titles like "President", "Kaiser", "Tsar" or "King" doesn't really have the right ring to me. I was considering "Khan" for a moment, but it might be considered cultural appropriation. Anyone got a tip for a good title?
- Your's Inso I, the Awesome (insert title here) of Greater Finland
@@cooly2165 well Finlands army is called puolustusvoimat: defenceforces. And we have prepared to stop Russian attack, to be attacking.
Better question is: Would the Scandinavian counter attack come to an end before the Chinese border or not?
2 years ago i'd disagree but now I completely agree with you.
What fighting experience do scandinavians have? Why can people never be realistic
@@e33d90 Youd be surprised, Norwegians, Danes and Swedes have all been deployed all over the world, even in Afghanistan. Finland has tailored its military *exclusively* to stop a Russian invasion (something the russians failed at horribly last time they tried). Russia would not be able to get far into Finnoscandia, but an invasion of Russia probably wouldn't happen either
Number of tractors in Finland: 479 504, Sweden: 374 299, Norway: 306 869, Denmark: 85 293
I actually laughed.
It can tow all russian tanks and mobile artillery
You never ask a woman her age, a man how much he earns, or a Ukrainian farmer where he got his Russian artillery
@@swedishmake-upgeek5650 or where he hides the rest of his Russian stash!!
Funny, Russians loot stuff from people's homes...a few hundred bucks, maybe?
Ukranian farmers....loot Russian Army....enough for a couple years salary. That must REALLY PISS Putin off....not only does he lose battles....the enemy takes his stuff too!!
@@mason9421 same
The danes would just deposit a field of legos along the frontline and cause devastating casualties
@Goran Oh god
Thanks for the laughs :)
Binkov said no nukes allowed
I thought the Geneva convention banned the use of lego bricks, they are clearly inhumane weapons
Goran yea dropping chemical bombs and indiscriminate bombing is also banned, but it still happens in Syria. These rules don’t mean crap
Q: "Could modern Russian military conquer Scandinavia?"
A: "No."
I would love to see an updated version of this considering the current Russian and Scandinavian military status, and ongoing Ukrainian war. Russia is extremely over rated in these simulations just based on numbers.
@@Writeous0ne that’s mainly the initial surge that Ukraine seemed unprepared for especially in the south tactically speaking Russia has been beaten hard. With few major achievements since the initial surge
@@banger2998 no that's the narrative which you've been presented via western media.
The reality is that Russia holds 25% of the second largest country in Europe, they've moved slowly village to village to stop insurgency happening. Insurgency was the main reason the US was in the middle east for 20 years and couldn't fully control it because they move so quickly between villages that they don't clear out weapons caches and identify possible insurgents.
The media does not like Russia, the west does not like Russia, therefore you can expect any report on them to be negative.
You can come back to this comment in a few months and i guarantee that most if not all of Donbas will have been "liberated". Russia will set up defensive lines around areas they hold and help the "republics" to rebuild. When Russia become the defender it will be even harder for Ukraine to win any battles because the defender has a 3:1 advantage, Ukraine cant win in defence when they are at full strength, so they won't be able to win in offense with a depleted and untrained army. I wouldnt be surprised if after the Donbas falls it becomes a very inactive war, where Ukraine just basically accept they cant win Donbas back but they also will not officially accept Donbas as republics.
@@Writeous0ne there’s a million different ways to interpret what’s happening in Ukraine I completely disagree with what you’re saying but it’s impossible to knock it of the table.
@@banger2998 They where prepared, its not the first time Russia and Ukraine *lock horns* If you want to have a neutral view check out History Legends channel
@@Writeous0ne the cope is stong with this one
As a Russian, I would say that if there is any cause for conflict with Scandinavia in the future, we should just settle this over a few hockey games! That's the best way
Hehe, that's good.
Agreed!! 👍
Agreed indeed!
Yes agreed👍🏻
I like you, Mr Mikerov. Fair play.
As a swede I can say that we would fight very hard to the last fin
hahaha, that seems about right.
hahaha, this made my day!
Erik- some wag during our civil war said "I have already lost one cousin to this war, and I stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother!"
Just as the British would fight to the last Frenchman!
Made my day
Finland alone, with one hand tied in the back, would defeat any russian invasion attempt within a week. St Petersburg inhabitants would then have to prepare for an extended Weight Watchers' course, like last time russia tried to mess around with Finland.
As a finnish person i can say that most finnish people would be ready to fight for our country till our last breath. We are really proud of our country. Im pretty sure it has been counted that like 80-90% of finnish population would be ready to fight if a war would happen.
And as an Icelander living in Norway, we would walk over to help our brothers :)
@@arnthorhupfeldt7342 Absolutely, Finland is never going to be alone about this, if anything they will have to deal with cowboy militias raised by charismatic individuals setting off to hunt Russians in the woods...
Actually if I was Russian, id be fucking terrified even being told "ah comrade you going on an excercise near finland today, dont worry nothing will happen :)" at this stage
If necessary Scandinavia could deploy its numerous metal bands hiding in the woods.
They'd only need to deploy the death metal bands.
😂😂😂
Plays Raubtier and Sabaton.
Russians switch side.
ruclips.net/video/K5ZV2cmzGSs/видео.html
Deploy your Sabatons, your Bloodbaths, your Children of Bodoms, your Mayhems, your Gorgoroths, your Nightwishes, your Amon Amarths, your At the Gates, your Darkthrones, your Dark Funerals etc. etc. ad nauseum.
Im russian, I can confirm, if they played sabaton i would switch sides
As we have seen, Russia cannot defeat anyone. The retired Finland sniper would likely kill them all...
I agree, they would be up against a much more technologically advanced force than Ukraine and even themself, the logistical problems would be even bigger than in Ukraine and the geography is a much bigger problem. Russia would lose the war and Finland might even take back what Russia stole back in 1939! More if Russia didn't agree to a peace deal and paid war damages.
@@mwtrolle how about nukes
@@jailissi3115 The thing with the nukes is, that why would you use them in an offensive war. If one starts a war, there is usually a wargoal to satisfy them. Using a nuke certainly devastates a big area for a long time but you would also cut access to the place you are trying to conquer. It is not a feasible weapon for offensive operations. Also the global backlash would be so big that it could even entail a retaliatory nuke from a nuclear state.
Eh, wars take years, we’re what a few weeks into the current conflict. I doubt Russian has even lost 5% of its total military assets. Russia doesn’t care if it loses 50% as long as it wins.
@Socialist Worker Drone yea and it doesn't seem like they have any of those. Also it seems Russia's strategy was to overthrow ukrainian defensive in the first few days, concer Kiew and install a puppet state. So far they have achieved non of that
This video is absolutely outdated due to current events.
It needs to be redone.
It was outdated already prior. To suggest the Russian Baltic navy would even take on the Swedish navy alone is laughable. Sweden got 7 Gotland and 5 visby.
Visboy have top tear airdefence. And Gotland is probobly one of the best, if not the best submarine in close waters.
US navy spent 2 years improving there sonar until they could detect Gotland. Russia did not
"1 military superpower" LMAO. This statement aged like milk...
No, it didn't. Russia has one of the strongest militaries in the world, only outdone by the US and China, perhaps.
@@dukedase7 which is precisely why it isn't a fucking military superpower
Before february 2022: Mighty Russian army would steamroll Finland!
After february 2022: Russia exists only at the mercy of Finland!
Haha LMFAO 🤣
orcs exist not my mercy but by nucs. If they do not have that, no one will play this game any more. Other countries would clean Ukraine from orcs and sent several missiles to moscow and sant peterburg as notice to surrender. 13% of all population lost will not give any options to disobey and accept anything that is told to do would be mandatory for orcs
Facts!
Power of Media
@@Vsevolod2002 on ww2 even Germany cant fight over 2 fronts, why you think ruzzia can now? They have enought human power, but exclude nucs do not have what to offer
Rules: No Nukes for Russia
No Simo Häyä for the Finns
Sounds fair.
lol he is dead
@John R lol
@@truthissacred То ти они говоре
Daniel P true
Well this aged badly.
One should take official russian numbers with a truckload of salt. And never, ever, underestimate the corrosiveness of corruption on a state and its abilities.
I think we have all learned that Russia’s military is in horrible shape and failing morale, failing logistics, poor coordination would bring Russia to its knees facing the Scandinavian Vikings on their home turf with high tech weapons
Compared to Ukraine, the Nordic countries are a defender's dream; relatively few roads with vast areas of forests, hills, mountains, marshes and wetlands - perfect for leading armored columns into ambushes.
Yes. And no. There's almost no rocks in Ukraine. Europes corn and wheat box.. When constructing roads in the Nordic we use rocks. Alot of them. And then we pave it. To hold for our haulers (74T legal weight on some roads).
So Rasputsvija to the russian armor ☺
@@vedkorarsvang8193 What russian armor? you mean that reserve scrap heap from the cold war? or the ones currently being towed away by Ukranian farmers?
@@TheGreenguy85
☺ Stena recycling wet dreams.
In my fictive scene it could have been UK panzers on their feets towards Karlstad or Enköping (🙄).. The fact is still that Sweden got more (roads and railroads) with better strenght to hold panzers marsching by their feets or by railroad transport than Ukraine.
However, mainroads are dangerous without air superioty. And the rest of Sweden is raindeers haven. Forest, lakes and swamps..
I got your six in this one ☺
@@vedkorarsvang8193 yeah, atleast ukraine is trying to be environmentally friendly lol
@@johnsmith-de3tl
+1
😅
Scandinavian: "finland, you are not us. You cant join us"
See the russian borders
Scandinavian: "oh nevermind, you actually useful, you can join our grup"
Adam Fauzy Hafiddin the one fucking problem is Russia didn’t wore the right camo, so they will win anyways you muppet
Finland has been Sweden's anti-muscovite shield for some 600~ years, we wouldn't know what to do without them! Maybe try and go for Pomerania again? :'D When Peter the Great took Finland, Sweden basically just panic grabbed Norway like - "Guys help me!" xD
Mr BigCookie still, today Sweden has the largest, most capable, and most technologically advanced military in Scandinavia, discounting the Norwegian F-35s.
@@thereyougoagain1280 Denmark has, although not shown in this video f35's
This is just hypothetical war with do or die situation.
How crazy this is now. Looking at Russian troops in winter conditions with no radio, no food, no clothes, no fuel, no air control, no command, no advance more then 90km
This video may not have aged as well as others.
I am a Finn, and I would move back home from Switzerland the next day if a war broke out. I don't think im the only one prepared to make it a living hell for anyone attacking my home country.
Should be possible to retake what Russia stole in 1939!
And you would have much trouble they can't move that many troops because they have problems everywhere internally and strategically
You wouldn't be alone
As swede who did the military service, I really wonder how many would show up. So few have any military training since 2000. Trust the finns to sort it out....
@@larsandersson5974 Yes, but the young generation at least knows how to handle a 9mm ;)
We, Nordics, would be just fine. Once Iceland intervenes the balance would tip heavily against Russia.
They're going to use the superior winter to their advantage!
Bro, stop kidding and take a sip of coffee ☕
But why would Iceland intervene? just a question
@@ThisDutchDude It's a joke lmao.
@@dodderythedromedary6890 oh oke
This video has aged so badly , little did you know . Think you better do a remake 😉
Russia's army is a paper tiger.
The nordic countries: WE DONT FIT TOGETHER!
The nordic war begins...
The nordic countries: KALMAR UNION
no one is allowed to shit on the nordics except the nordics.
But the kalmar union is Scandinavian not Nordic
Oh wait this video is Russia versus the Scandinavian countries so it would technically make sense
@@thenorwegiangamerr Kalmar Union included Finland as it was a part of Sweden back then.
@@noidontthinksolol LOL.
New Topic should be :
Are there any planes in Nordic beside Commercial ones?
Reseeding this video after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, we have to say that those elite paratrooper units and most other spetznaz have been retired recently. Permanently... in Ukraine. With their lack of support, corruption and low morale, Russia would lose in the Nordic states as well. Should Binkov redo this video today?
Useless Russian bullies would not surprise me after Finland in 1939 and Ukraine now. As usual they'd break down, run out of food and fuel, moral and dissertion issues etc. And not to mention the outside help the Scandinavians would have. I think the world would be giving generous weapon donations.
And it’s not like Scandinavia is in lack of weapons, to begin with.
This is what I stated a year ago...
@@jsonkhamn That's right. We all know scandinavia has a massive artillery and compulsory military service, so it should not be underestimated
Well, Norway and Denmark are part of NATO. Therefore Russia would have to deal with NATO, too. What we see now in the Ukraine makes this scenario quite unlikely. Why isn't the scenario that the Scandinavians might conquer Kaliningrad and eliminate the threat from there?
Given Russia's poor performance in the current war, I'm not sure the Russians could win against the state of Rhode Island
Russians might want to avoid Providence.
I'd say they could take the majority of the state. The US Navy would probably object to them trying to get onto Aquidneck Island since that's where the Newport Naval Base is. Fun fact, Aquidneck is the "actual" Rhode Island while the rest of the state is "Providence Plantations". Or at least it was until 2020. But I still call it that to deliberately piss off the type of people that would offend.
Finland actually has closer to 800,000 military reservists that have participated in training during the last 3 years.
+900.000.
This did not age well. At this rate the nordic countries would reach ural mountains.
Like milk - left in the sun..
@@johnfrederiksen5166 If Russia attacks Finland, then after given them a good hiding we should move to offensive and take back Viipuri.
#Lazerpigloop
No... lol
@@jounisuninen Yeah hell no. Its long gone.
Russia: i fear no man but that thing
*lego landmines*
Its scares me
Ouch!
And Sweden has Surströmming Bioweapons.
So the Russisn would not dare resort to nukes to overcome The Lego Landmines and the Finns.
very few people nowadays understand that reference
That freak (Finland) is not here, is he? How tf do I take this thing off?!
Russians are no atranger to toy mines
"Russia is likely to risk [a mass airborne assault] only after it concludes it can control the skies."
Ya sure about that Binkov?
In light of recent events, I think they'd struggle to conquer Andorra
Pewdiepie: 105+ million troops
Arms manufacturor: Lego
Arsenal and communications: Nokia
Weapon design: IKEA
Oil: Norway
Russia: RUSH B BLYAT
IKEA Gun... What a dream
bofors, bae systems ab, hägglunds?
You’d still need to follow the instructions to put it together
@@bogi2557 Build it you'r self weapon 😂
@@Juhani96 It’s cheap too!
One Finnish sniper to Russian battalion. "I have you surrounded."
1 russian atomic bomb - by by finland
He is building wall between two Eurasian country.
@@DY-ij3ch yes but these scenarios don't use nukes, only true comparisons between two armies. Russia would win but at very gruesome costs. Many Russian families would be burying sons and fathers killed in the conflict after all is said and done.
And just in case somebody do not know the history of the winter war. It actually happened.
Russian artillery: No u, again
Binkov: Eventualy the blue side would be left without an air force
Me back when this was first published: Yeah sounds reasonable
Me now: AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH…no
A survey conducted says 94% of Finns would fight for Finland if they went to war so I don’t think they would ever surrender
After seeing how Russia is doing in Ukraine I’d say the Finns could beat Russia by themselves. The rest of Scandinavia would still help, though.
Yeap, just silence all the russian voices, join the twitter army and enjoy the destruction. Dont forget to appoint western sided comedian as a head of state tho.
Do not underestimate Soviet military capabilities. Those personnel sent to Ukraine are under-trained and newly recruits. Putin have not sent his elite force yet. He is a manipulator. This is what he want the world sees. A "weak" Soviet military force.
@@awangtaiepalat7308 he’s sent his elites too. And recruited conscripts. He wouldn’t do that if he hadn’t tried sending his best already. Asking others for help makes him look weak in his eyes. Like he can’t do the job with just the Russian army. Remember that the Soviets had to send in a massive army, many times the size of the opponent’s army, to finally be able to beat the Finns in the Finnish winter war.
Even if the soldiers are untrained the generals are not, and they left a whole giant line of tanks close together, leaving them vulnerable and making it difficult to retreat in the case of an attack. I’ve never been in the military. Even I get what a bad idea that is.
This video didn’t age well with Russia. Finland could still defend itself. Soon Finland will be in NATO. Finland would have great air support.
A great many volunteer soldiers from the rest of us northmen as well as economic and supply support would flood into Finland if Russia ever invaded them.
We see eachother as family here in the north. And a lot of us still carry an inborn grudge against Russia. There is no way in hell that we'd leave Finland to fend for itself.
the "military superpower" part aged like milk
ALLO This IS TalIbAn hElO USA mIliTarY sOOOPERPOWEEEEr LeTS lEAVE 70 BiLlIon oF tAnks In Afghanistan
@@MorrocanDarijaArab cope
@@MorrocanDarijaArab at least the U.S has 70 billion *WORTH* of tanks.
Using the current war in Ukraine as a baseline I would suggest the only significant losses the Scandinavians would incur would be losses of washing machines and dryers.
Would be fun to watch an updated version of this as all scandinavian countries have heavily increased their military forces in both manpower and weaponry
Finnish militarys sole purpose is to stop russian invasion. It has been its main mission since winter war
yeah, russia will just send hungred man to die. i dont want to fight with russians, but i would gladly kick putlers ass right now!
Since the Great Nordic War in the 18th century really.
@@Snobiker13
Nah. Since even before the Long War in the 16th century!
Thats true, but the same goes for Sweden. The only mission have been to stop the Russians. Everything, tactics, weapons etc have been designed for that.
Given Russia’s extremely poor, amateurish, and uncoordinated action in Ukraine it would appear Binkov may need to reevaluate Russia’s ability to take and hold enemy territory against a determined and motivated opponent.
The Western Military establishment projected our competence to the other side. It was considered the conventional wisdom until a serious real world test
Russia got a F-
While the Russian army definitely underperformed, the invasion wasn't nearly as bad as western MSM paints it to be. Ukrainians have suffered staggering personnel and technical losses that are completely ignored
@@slavicemperor8279 should we take your word for it?
Whatever the fuck you say, they retreated like pussies from north Ukraine and the only way they have to fight on the East is to level the cities with artillery. They are trying for 40+ days against 3000 troops
In Mariupol.
The invasion is going absolutely horribly.
@@slavicemperor8279 aha sure bot sure.
@@vladraduandrei5227 ,,Everybody who even slightly disagrees with western MSM or questions their narratitve is literally a Russian bot"
Nice try, schizoid.
Binkov I have a question. Why do you say that Finnish border with Russia is 940 km long? Wikipedia says it's 1300+ km long
1 thing is if you are going to count constripts from Russia you also have to do it for the Nordic countries, Denmark has mandatory military service as well and has over 1 million in possible reserve, and Sweden has 3 million
Norway too has mandatory military service.
There is one big thing that is missing from this analysis. The Swedish, the Finnish and the Norwegian armed forces have only one realistic enemy. And they've had it for 60 years. Our entire doctrine is based around stopping the Russians. We know where all the roads are, so we'll mine them. There are valleys that must be crossed, and mountain passes that have to be scaled. We'll turn them into fortresses, réduit national style. The entire point is to make an attempt so painful and costly that they will never try.
As for the numbers, the Norwegian ones are optimistic. One of the four frigates is more or less permanently beached after an accident with an oil tanker, and 7 of the F 35 are in the US for training purposes. A further 4 are stationed on Iceland, but would probably be recalled in time.
They had 5 frigates. They now have 4. The F35s in the US and Iceland are just a flight away.
Yeah. The analysis is correct for the scenario, technically. Given unlimited time and unlimited morale.... Russia would win. Enreality, Russia doesn't have unlimited time and morale.
Russia could win, but as the analysis says it is so pyrhic in nature it isn't worth trying. Specially since there is nothing to gain. What would Russia get for this massive expense of national scale. We are talking hundreds of thousands of dead. they would get piles of rubble, forests and occupation of area inhabited by people who hate them (not currently, but they would for the invasion).
Since not only would Russian artillery pommel everything to rubble.... The national redout would mean scorched Earth, when it is not anymore possible to hold an area. For example Russia would have to fight meter for meter for Helsinki and in the end it would be pile of rubble. There is no bombing out the Finnish defenders out of Helsinki, since it has one of the vastest underground infrastructures in world due to the bedrock allowing it. The urban jaeger troops defending Helsinki are trained to and will go underground immediately and resist from city size underground bunker. One has to either take it meter by meter, starve it out or gas it out.
Any significant plants or industrial facilities would be self destructed before allowing them to fall to Russian hands to prevent them being used for supporting Russian war effort. We are talking most likely to scale of blowing up hydro dams, the flood damage to own population be damned level of scorch. Steel mills, paper mills any industrial factory, blown and burned to ground to deny it to enemy. Since to leave it would be a gain for Russia and a war booty and thus reason to continue the fight for Russia due to the things gained or to be gained.
And most likely there would not be "think of the children and civilians" in Finland. As with WW2, as soon as there is war Finland will call Sweden and say "you gonna take our children to your national readout, cool thanks". After which there would be evacuation most likely via Vaasa to Sweden. After which there is no civilians in Finland. National defence obligation means every citizen is part of war effort. It is totalest of total war. As said for example Helsinki would dig in and would have to be starved out or taken with just staggering losses of most likely finally hand to hand combat.
This is the scenario Finland has been preparing for decades. The question never has been could Russia take us with unlimited time, morale and all national recources. That is always a YES, given the comparison of sized. The real question is "Is it worth the cost to Russia" and "Would the Russian morale hold". Throwing hundred thousand after hundred thousand troops to slaughter to get the rubble of what will be left of Finland is not worth it.
Finlands main economic driver is educated population, engineering, technology and sciende. You can't take that by force. Rest is just lots of forest (Russia has more than they can care for), some minerals (Russia has siberia) and some baltic coast line (Russia has baltic access already). So unless Putin is replaced by raving madman, they won't attack. If he is replaced by raving madman, they will attack for sometime until the conscripts and population on Russian side goes "this is stark raving mad idea and my family has lost all young men" and Russia would domectically be forced to stop way before it runs out of resources.
Russia isn't USSR and even USSR didn't conduct this sized warfare after WWII and WWII was a patriotic war of defense for USSR (which THEN expanded to punishhing raid and conguest). It will be far harden to justify offensive total war of national scale.
Yes Russia has fought in checenia, georgia, Ukraine etc. but those are way smaller affairs and they had strategic goals like Sevastopol. Those are all small skirmishes compared to "throw hundreds of thousands of casualties at taking irrelevant to Russia scandinavian territory for no gain". It would be new afghanistan except closer to home and in modern times of information transfer.
It would be a shitshow on all sides. All it would do is burn casualties in all sides, render cities to rubble and no one would win anything in the end.
@@aritakalo8011 Good analysis. It is indeed safe to say, under any circumstances, Conquest of Finland ( not to even mention rest of the Nordic countries ) would be a very severe pyrrhic victory for Russia.
Ari Takalo that is actually a very good answer. And what I have been saying for years, to my Scandinavian friends. In history in general the defending side had varying advantages to some degree over the attacking side. So the attackers would have to compensate, eighter with higher numbers or resources or some kind of technological, or strategic advantage.
In this particular case of Russia invading Scandinavia, the advantages for the defenders would be great as said. Dose Russia possess sufficient material advantages and resorces to conquer all Scandinavia in a total war? Also yes! But as you mentioned, WW2 was a war of atrition, it was a matter of life and death, the winner takes all and the loser loses all, so both belligerents threw all their weight into battle the axis alliance and the soviets, and the heaviest of the two and the most resourceful won.
In this case and in a scenario of total war ,given the “weight” difference the only possible victor would be Russia, but given the costs involved, it would by far be not worth it, a win for Russia would actually be a lose for them (material and resources would far outweighs the gains) and so it would be a lose for both sides, for Scandinavia perhaps a final one.
So the only resonable posibilities of such a confrontation and ones who would grately help Russia win, would be eighter to have some kind of very spectacular or seminificative gain at stake, for wining the war, that would imedialty help Russia or in the long term, and counter the costs for achieving such a costly victory, but as it was said, it is not the case, neighter material resources or other. And even so this is would not be the best scenarios, as country’s in todays world are more pragmatic, towards the loses rather than expansionists.
The other “best motivation scenario” and most helpful for a Russian win, would be to have the same motivation as in ww2, life or death, eighter take all of Scandinavia or die, is it the Scandinavians or is it the Russians? Like in eighter take all Scandinavian land or kill all combatants. Then yes.
In this absurd theoretical case scenarios then , yes, the Russians would be the clear victors, and victory for them would be guaranteed, no matter how hard or viciously ferocious the Scandinavians would fight it would just make the costs greater for Russia, but could simply note cope with the sheer numbers and mass of resources of any type thrown into conflict.
Honestly, Russia is just about the only reason why Northern, Central and Eastern European countries even maintain armed forces at this point. Poland could probably be conquered by Lithuania if for no other reason that no realistic war scenario in any of these countries does not involve Russia, hence nobody would be prepared for anything different.
Everybody gangsta until snow starts speaking finnish
Perkele
@Eric Johnson thanks from finland u made my day
@Eric Johnson Didn't understand a word you said! Speak English please !!
Yea,and sunshine shine all the time in Russia...they dont have snow,got panic when is snowing,u stupid shit
Russia: nobody can take us on winter
Finnish snow: PERKELE!!!!
This didn't age well
After the state of their operation I'm Ukraine, I think binkov needs to re-evaluate this.....
16:29 "Eventually Finland would surrender though"
Right here, at this very moment, is where you went completely wrong. The state may surrender, but the nation will keep on fighting from the forests until the very last one is deported to Siberia. And even that may not be enough to stop 'em.
In 1997 Finnish military training some things were emphasized: a) No digging in. It is pointless against massive firepower. Go for the flanks if you are in a unit that is capable. Be on the move b) Once, not if, once things crash the guerrilla war starts. I am a signal guy with radio yet even i got guerrilla training. Artillery was omitted here. Also the air force finland has is meant to provide temporary air cover for reserve to come into play. Once that happens all scenarios are open and the horror ending painted here becomes a real chance plus then some. The occupying forces atrocities and partisan response to that would be second to none. Surrender by a captured gov. speaking forced words into a mic would not mean much at that point.
The real risks to russia at this point would be somewhere else. The amount of forces they tie down here is so massive that i am quite sure CIA & Co have plans on what events to trigger elsewhere as response. WW3 would be surprisingly close as i am sure other countries would not sit idle. Or actually in traditional sense they would but covert action e.g. 'color revolutions' etc. would be on the menu.
@@heikkint The Russian people/lower level leadership, would depose their current leadership (coup). With economic conditions as they are currently in Russia, it would be the lesser of two evils to avoid such a ridiculous adventure...because, there is no way they would be able to hold long term because of endless carnage inflicted on their occupying army...and the punitive sanctions levelled against them...the Russian government would collapse.
@@RoyChartier A scenario on the table no doubt. For me though personally this is hard to predict how this would play out. I get the feel that average russian men especially are pretty jingoistic and when shove turns to push they would revert to 'WW2 mode' and start absorbing damage and dealing it too in a patriotic spirit even if the reasons to go to war were clouded to begin with. It would come down to what morale and motivation they have. I have no clue to be honest how the average russians fighting spirit is built today. What are the building blocks that would make them fight hard or just turn on their own.
As a swede I agree. The finns won't give up even if the state does. No way.. and that goes for the rest of us there after. "The fight is'nt over until the country is liberated".
very romantic movie watchers xD
Well, as I was taught in the Finnish defense forces, the purpose of it isn't to win a war (against the most likely aggressor). It's to make a war too costly for an attacker so they wouldn't attack in the first place
Same with the Swedish.
@@GyattBoyCool Acting like a porcupine is a great strategy IMO. Especially if you're a small to middle sized country (at least military-wise) with potential threats with capacities much larger than yours.
@@GyattBoyCool I'm from Norway. My father worked in the Norwegian Army/Navy for a long time. Our strategy against Russia is simple, and two-pronged. 1: Make them over-extend. Allow them a fast approach, goade them on. 2: Run hit-and-run guerrilla tactics, destroy their supply lines, force them to hold every little piece of land and never let them sleep.
3: Hold until NATO arrives.
The Taiwan doctrine, i see.
@@TheSystemaSystem isn’t the Heimvernet practically trained as a guerilla force these days?
Given developments in Ukraine, I dont think Russia would get very far. Perhaps you should do a Russia vs Albania
To be honest while this video DOES need an update we all know what the update video would look like:
The other Nordic countries forces arrive to Finland and see that only kids and old people are there. They wonder where the Finns are until they see a newscast of Finnish troops declaring victory in the siege of Vladivostok.
One point of note: the swedish air force is specifically designed to not need airfields. A dirt road is enough
@Kristian Froelich 130ish to be a bit more accurate. And Sweden does not stand alone. What's the next comparison? China vs Liechtenstein? 🙄
@Kristian Froelich hahaha bro you cant read then?
Kristian Froelich Did you seriously just compare the Gripen to a 262? That’s a fucking stretch to say the least
@Kristian Froelich i am not sure i agree with that. Especially when the defender tends to have the advantage. I say the quality of the pilots is the biggest factor. Like look at what the Israel airforce has achieved with their amazing pilot training against bigger numbers..
@Marcus Hillerström man sweden is kinda cocky for naming an anti-air weaponry named after the main protaganist of a kids book plus didn't they make a land mine called lille skutt.
Estonia: *CaN I InTo NoRdIc* ?
sorry, no
You can into russia but no nordic.
Nooooo
@@swedishboy5649 Svenskene burde vært med i Nato.
Sweden: hehe NO
I think a remake of this video is needed.
We knoe the answer now.
The answer is NO.
Everybody gangsta til' the 900 000 reservists show up.
URA in the distances.
URAAAAAA
URAAAAAAA!!!!ZA RODINU!!!!
@@easthulk99 that was about finland...
@@pixelwortel9578 Ouh.
iceland would have made the difference.
It's not against UK, threatening to leave NATO won't work
What about Greenland.
There must be a reason that Trump wanted to buy it?
He dared not risk invasion
@Aaron Barclay Navy
@Aaron Barclay I do believe that was sarcasm on his part.
@@SG003 Actually they were ready to go all the way against UK. They tried to buy more vessels from USA but were denied. Then they held aloft a interest in Mirka class friggates from the sovets but the dispute ended before they bought some from them. They would make a good fighters, no doubt.
Source: ruclips.net/video/S-FYP2OgBAU/видео.html
Wow. This hasn't aged well.
This video hasn't aged well.
So in a nutshell, it's basically perkele Vs cyka blyat with a dash of IKEA, cheap alcohol, Adidas, and Danish choking somewhere along the Lego-mined frontline.
and LEGO
Cover the land with bits of lego and the russian infantry will refuse to advance!
@@MrBigCookieCrumble I believe it would trespass Geneva convention, sir. No man want to go through those sharp, coloured plastic edges with unnecessary suffering.
@@berkaybayarstudent2978 added sir.
Winter war 2: electric boogaloo
After seeing how Russia is doing in Ukraine, I would say this is an overestimation of russian military.
Yeah but it's going up against 3 other countries
@@Jovan0377 the bots are stong here
Bullshit
The russian active ground forces counts 280.000 before the ukrainian war. They used 190.000 of them in Ukraine
Jovan bogavac. You russians have to beat women in order to feel tough. You guys are bald and short af compared to most nordic men. Stop drinking too much vodka Igor its ruining your brain. The dragon in the movie rocky was a Swede btw lmao
@@Jovan0377 Russia had 950,000 troops in total. But thats TOTAL. Including navy, air force, and ground troops. Total Ground troops is 360,000. And 240,000 of them are in Ukraine right now. So Russians are maxing out.
Wow this has aged badly.
I think maybe 2yrs ago we overestimated the abilities of the Russian army, air force and navy somewhat......
As we can see in Ukraine (July) Scandinavia would have enjoyed total air superiority. Something 2:1 in modern fighters (other Russian stuff is junk).
Russia would not be just embarrassed, it would be annihilated.
😂 „all Russian soldier are professionals…“
Yea, we are seeing how a professional army got stuck on a 40 mi road, in three lanes, with no supply lane open, while the defenders are mounting counteroffensive measures at will. Sorry, but professional is something else…
They were giving civilians more time to evaquate Kiev
@@Shadeborn Russia literally put mines on the evacuation route. Their logistics are just dogshit and are not capable of an actual war, this youtuber is delusional
@@MrDewwwwwwwwwww Let me guess,,,, news straight out of Kiev.
@@Shadeborn Videos, straight from the people who are trying to flee.
@@MrDewwwwwwwwwww Guess somebody doesn't want anyone to leave
This video didn't age well of course but it had some serious flaws back when it was released too. Here are just a few of them:
+ The Nordic armed forces are generally quite a bit stronger than what the video claims both in terms of manpower and equipment.
+ Gender equality may be important here since it effectively doubles the Nordic countries' recruitment potential.
+ Russian law does not allow for conscripts to be deployed outside of Russia. They would be anyway of course but there still are limits to how much Russia could rely on conscripts for an invasion force.
+ The Nordic forces' terrain advantage is far more important than what the video stipulates. This is especially true in winter. All Nordic personel would know full well how to handle sub arctic conditions but only a small part of the Russians would. The rest would be sitting ducks in the snow.
+ The Saab Gripen is not just a "capable" fighter, it's a top modern one, certainly equal to Su-35 and probably the F-35 too.
+ There is no quality analysis of the marine powers. For example all Norwegian, most Swedish and half of the Finnish "missile boats" are not missile boats in the traditional sense at all. The Swedish and Norwegian ones are actually classified as corvettes but they aren't that either. They are a new kind of ultra fast, highly maneuverable and heavily armed stealth ships specially designed for coastal defense. Comparing them to traditional missile boats is a bit like comparing a ww ii battleship to Nelson's HMS Victory. Those ships are almost unique to the Nordic countries, only China and Greece have something similar.
+ The entire armed forces of the Nordic countries are specially designed to repell a Russian invation. It's their one and only purpose.
+ The Nordic countries have huge financial reserves, the Norwegian international pension fund alone is estimated at a value of 1.5 trillion US dollars. This money isn't intended to be used for military purposes of course but if it's a question of saving the nation it sure would be. How much military hardware can you buy for that money?
+ The hundreds of thousands of unguided anti tank/anti vehicle missiles deserve more than a footnote, especially when we keep in mind that Carl Gustav, AT4 and M72 EC are all made in Scandinavia. If necessary every single Nordic soldier can be equipped with enough firepower to temporarily disable a main battle tank or kill any lighter armoured vehicle.
Right. Solid arguments with value and muscles beyond.
Except that Russia use conscripts at this moment in Ukraine. This is a fact. Using uncrypted Open VHF to panzer formations in a language the foe understands is so hilarious 😅
The fact that the ruski panzers can't communicate with the airforce and do simultanious action is also a joke, yet true.
@@vedkorarsvang8193 using conscripts is actually a negative. Below a certain level of competence, more people in battle are actually counter-productive.
@@shooter7a
Agreed. Especially when the roads are few and/or bogged by hundreds of various vehicles. Add, let's say a regiment size of two thousand conscripts with poor military education.
I can small the fear and panic when they're stuck, and ambushed with whatever AT the foe can fire.
Railroad is the only option so far for Mr Putin' on the Fritz.
Raate road and the Rhein pocket all over again 🙄
NLAW's seem quite effective at blowing up Russian vehicles, they're Swedish/British and know as the RB-57 in Sweden aren't they?
@@corleth2868
Correct. Before 2004 we had Bofors (SAAB today) made Bill RBS 56. It was outstanding at the time it was released to AT units in Sweden in 1989-1990. The Bill system was sold after a REMO to the emirat of SA 😑
Considering of what we now see of Russia's failing war in Ukraine, this video should be revised :)
Writing this three years later things has changed dramatically. Wouldn't give Russia a shit of a chance.
Russia:we have an army
Finland: we have 1 sniper who uses a really old gun
and snow
Without a scope.
Russia: **starts sweating vodka**
He is dead btw he died in 2002
@@z0bciu43 yeah I know
Russia: Invades Finland again.
Simo Häyhä: Are you challenging me
Findland thaws Simo Häyhä
Quite bold of you to assume that Simö even allowed himself to die.
Look up Larry Thorn
Perkele!
Cue tank playing Sabaton.
they would not even get past finland
Thing is, the Finnish military has *1* purpose. Defending Finland from russia
Given their recent performance I think Russia would struggle to conquer a hearty breakfast at this point
You sure about that? Looks like Kiev is surrounded..
@@KrolKaz yes
@@KrolKaz 14 days and still havent take kiev lol
Ukraine has over 60% bigger population, though.
@@seneca983 only sweden have 4x more gdp than ukraine.....imagine add in danmark,norway and finland gdp....we fk russia easy XD
and around 30 millions people live here more or less. we have few troops but modern weapons and tanks,jet flight , trust me bro, we gonna win easy if we have time to add more people from reserve.
Russia:Invades Scandinavia
Denmark: “Deploy the LEGOs”
Sweden: “Send in the Chef”
Norway: “Block them with oil”
Finland: “How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!”
Russia: Laugh in unlimited tanks and manpower
@@loma_pl1931 well in winter war it didn't go well.
@@JusoMusic the Soviet Union won though
"Swedish Chef" isnt even a Swedish invention tho.
@@xkomachionozuka3010 true. But I said it didn't go so well
That didn't age well...
They couldn't do it in WW2, they can't do it now.
A year ago: Russian army is to powerfull, they will conquer us in a week.
Now: our farmers will get new machines.
At the moment, the Russians would be hard pressed taking over an uninhabited island, let alone another country.
We all know how it end up. Russia loses 60 000 per 50 days and claims victory by taking 2 km of Finland 🤣🤣🤣
This aged fast and... not well. How would you see it now?
Finland has 21 500 active and 900 000 reserve military (around 300 000 can be activated and armed rapidly).
Sweden has 24 000 active and 32 000 reserve.
Norway has 50 000 active and 33 000 reserve.
Denmark has 25 000 active and 63 000 reserve.
The good side, even though the Scandinavian forces are mainly defensive, is that the Scandinavian only need to eliminate one city in Russia - Moscow, to drive down any will for war. The Scandinavians not only have the moral edge, but also have the edge of not being dependant on crazy dictators to drive the army.
If Russia's leaders are killed, that's it for them. If one or two of Scandinavias leaders are eliminated, the fury just grows larger. That's the good thing about living in a state that takes care of you, you love and defend it till the end.
But this all won't matter much longer anymore, when Finland & Sweden join NATO.
lets hope no other country has brought Chinese tires lol
Besides, that Scandinavian airpower would be overwhelming!
@@anthonyfowler9695 maybe Finland, I think the other 3 use western or locally made tires
@@anthonyfowler9695 Finlands Nokian makes the best winter tyres in the world.
Är hemvärnet inräknat i någon av styrkorna? Är civil sedan många år men vill minnas att jag läst att HV är omkring 25000?
After seeing how Russia is getting mauled in Ukraine, it would be suicide to attack Scandinavia
@@newb0 Ukraine FTW
Pretty much in every single way it would be harder to invade Scandinavia
@@newb0 Way to squeeze out something entirely opposite to reality. Why do you think Russia would want to negotiate? Because their invasion isn't going anywhere near as great as they expected and they've realized that they're wasting large parts of their armed forces on getting bogged down in a fight which might at best lead them into a perpetual occupation that will gain them nothing while they're wasting away from being axed by sanctions. It's Russia that's desperate for an out by now.
@@newb0 Carpet bombing and shelling is a strategy only used by Russia because they can't afford guided missiles.
Russians can only kill women and children but if they meet soldiers they run away or just give up. At least as prisoners of war they are getting some food. That's more than they got from the Russian army.
And why hit an armoured convoy when it is much easier to just stop them from refueling? That convoy has not gone anywhere in two weeks, they are now just hiding under trees because they are scared of the drones Turkey keeps sending to the Ukrainians.
@@newb0 The convoy is a secondary target that can easily wait.
As long as you can stop them from being effectively resupplied with fuel and munitions, they are nothing but hungry people freezing in metal coffins while sitting somewhere in the countryside. And the temperature out there is currently some -10°C.
A great advantage as a defender with a lot of tactical space is the ability to pick your engagements outside of the central hubs like cities, which you have to defend, at your leisure. And a great concentrated mass of enemy troops, that probably have had time to take up defensive positions and await your coming, is not conductive to a successful ambush. Especially if the troops are suffering heavy attrition due to missing supplies, miserable weather and small scale demoralising hit and run sniper attacks.
And the fact that the convoy is not really moving much and not at least taking up organised positions in front of Kyiv, is very indicative of the Russians having problems with their supplies. Maybe because the Ukrainians keep ambushing them and the Russians are not able to effectively protect them, because all their offensive assets are stuck in a convoy in the middle of nowhere.
To quote General Omar Bradley: "amateurs talk tactics, professionals study logistics"
Obviously this is a tongue in cheek video but saying that outside help is not allowed kind of makes the entire wargame pointless. Scandinavian doctrine, like most NATO friendly countries, is based entirely around mutual aid. It's sort of like saying who would win if Russia invaded Texas then saying that the rest of the USA would not be able to help.
I love your out dated numbers, and lack of military knowledge, about Scandinavian defense systems. ;-)
En sak är ändå att vi har så fruktansvärt liten arme. Ukrainia lyckades mobilera jättemånga. Tror inte vi hade lyckats med det i samma situation med tanke på hur pytteliten vår arme är.
They sure must be afraid of Finnish invasion if 45 % Russian troops are situated close to Finnish border 😅
I speak finland
I dont understand you
Butt 🖕🏻or❤️
Don’t forget about the continuation war my dude
kuu_kettune :3 hän sanoi, että 45 prosenttia Venäjän joukkoista on sijoitettu lähellä suomalaista rajaa
@@jakerad9553 kiitos ;)
kuu_kettune :3 kutos^
As a Swede, we used to joke about the Russian coming for Gotland, now Russia is just a joke.
Forget Gotland. Just wait for us norwegians coming to get Jämtland og Härjedalen back ;)
@@Giraf1964 And Sweden just cancelled the union split. ;)
Why? Does Sweden also have nazi troops that would hide behind civilians?
@@Giraf1964 As a Swede from Lapland: Please, keep your promise.
@@Giraf1964 Please do it. That would radically decrease the mosquito problem in Sweden. =)
At this point I'm not sure Russia could invade Finland by itself
Funny when watching old Binkov videos how wrong he was, when just looking at paper figures. But, granted, many of us were surprised how inept Russia has become.
By looking at how the Ukraine war is going and how VDV failed I'm pretty confident we are more then well prepared for anything they could send here.
No kidding. Russia couldn't conquer a big lunch, let alone Scandinavia lol. Russia is an antiquated, backward paper tiger.
Russians need nothing in scandinavia. What scandinavian country eliminates 3000 theirown sitizens of russian nationality each year for a 8 year? - no one!!! So no reason to conflict🤷♂️
Keep calm & strong!
Son, you know nothing...
Before feb. 24. Russia concentrated approx. 180000 soldiers and entered in Ukraine with 65000 as for military assets, they are not using even 10%, still, it is conflict there are casualties and destroyed vehicles etc. on both sides and ofc Russian army is not perfect no army is...
Russians have total dominance over Ukraine in every term... You heard of destruction of merc's camps in the west of the Ukraine, many fleed home after few hours they thought it is some blog adventure, and there is a lot of information you can get if you search for them...
And this is only military operation not a war, we dont want to imagine and see full scale war of Russia...
God Help us all !!!
paper bear*
I'm not giving an inch to those russians. Perkele!
Wouldn't mind taking a few back from them though. Peeeerkele
@@man4437 of course! Karjala takaisin!
Karelia belongs to Finland!
Better we come to visit peacefully.
@@andrewgusak123ua Finland doesn't belong to Finland anymore :-P
These Russia vs somebody videos aged soooo badly :D
"Considered the elite tip of the spear of the Russian forces" - those words didn't age so well - seems like that tip isn't actually connected to the rest of the weakened spear.
Russia's military decision making seems to have become even more suspect. Since all these countries use a lot of NATO technology resupply from the west looks far more feasible/usable than in Ukraine where even ATGM's and drones made a huge difference (a lesson for these countries). Russia's economic ability to wage war against the whole west against sanctions is looking in real question after Ukraine. As Norway is a NATO member I'd expect NATO (esp. UK/Netherlands/Germany/France) to defend Norway against any attacks on its homeland leaving their fleet free to protect the Baltic?
I think Russia actually could not win this conventional war after what we have seen in Ukraine - their shortcomings are massive and readiness vastly depleted. Their mobilization and air projection is much below expectation. Even what equipment is considered active is often below full operational readiness - their "reserves" seem likely to be rotted junk.
Dangerous still - but nowhere near as capable as we thought.
I think this video requires a remake. We've seen too much of how well Russia has performed in recent weeks, The remake might consider training, equipment maintenance, leadership quality, planning ability, morale, economic warfare, the importance of logistics and how useful secure communications can be. Merely comparing military inventories isn't sufficient, and doesn't persuade me.
Not a word of largest european artillery that Finland has which would be excellent at defending those narrow corridors between lakes.
Second largest artilley* russia has bigger xD
@@tupsutumppu well fuck
they dont
@@tupsutumppu Yea, well if u count Russia a part of Europe. I suppose they partly are 🤷🏻♂️
I think you meant eu not europe
Russia would have no chance. The fins and Swedes have world class army, not broken equipment like Russian army.
The question has now become, can Russia defend against a Finnish restoration of Finnish pre-Soviet borders? :D