War Magic Wizard - D&D 5e Subclass Series
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- We discuss the next subclass in the series from Xanather's Guide to Everything: the War Magic Wizard! This subclass gets some interesting abilities... find out what we think of this subclass! We are going to be going over each subclass ability then rating each subclass on Roleplay Value, Combat Value, and Overall Class Synergy. We have a very special rating system as well!
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🎵 Waaaar magic is like tank mage
Getting lots of defense
Flexing as you cast
(BLOCK)(BLOCK)(BLOCK)(BLOCK)(BLOCK)(BLOCK)(BLOCK)(BLOCK) 🎵
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
And now you know how to play wizard your welcome
I learned about this subclass today when I helped a player make their first character, wanted to see what the subclass was about because the description wasn't enough for me.
It's gonna be a new experience for the entire party and for me because it's our first session, I'm gonna be the DM, wish me luck
I just started playing a hobgoblin wizard with a greatsword, and was going back and forth between straight abjuration and this subclass... I’m still level 1, so there’s time to choose, but this came out at an opportune time and has given me something to think about!
Alternative tittle
"War!!! what is it good for?"
Absolutely nothing, but really the Answer is multiclassing ;) Thanks for watching !
I find war makes excellent opportunities for investing in gun runners, drug smugglers, and human traffickers.
I will say having played a War Mage for close to nine months now, my character went down once during our first fight with a boss and that was it. This is the tankiest of tank wizards.
Always like the idea of war spells, no elements, just war!
Can we talk about the fact that you’ll never fail a concentration save? My war wizard has 12 con and no proficiency/war caster, but at level 10 I almost
1. Never get hit
2. Always succeed the saving throw
Yep. Its pretty crazy. Mine has one level of Order Cleric and War Magic the rest of the way. Its very odd having the highest AC be the wizard of the party, but a lot of fun!
A bit of class lore here. This first showed up in 2nd edition in a book about elves and showed up with Bladesinger. It was the other option for a fighter wizard from that book. You got extra abilities from it, and essentially served as an arcane commander, but you didn’t have many weapon proficiencies yourself (despite having fighter levels)
Love it. I love the idea of mages who are a part of an army, deployed on the battlefield like artillery. This fits my idea very well.
Thanks for this subclass. I always read that 6rh level ability and get confused at times, tho now I have a better grasp of what it does
I am seriously considering a 2 level dip for my battle smith artificer. Seems to be a cool way to pick up some extra cantrips and buff your ac as an artificer.
I'm playing a armorer and I'm going though the same debate. Let me know how it works out for you
Y'all pointed it out, but it's an excellent class to dip into as an Eldritch Knight, but also worth mentioning, Paladins and melee (such as War domain) clerics. Makes them far more tanky than you initially realize.
The Cantrip limits on Arcane Deflection are mitigated if you were to primarily be using Booming Blade or Green-Flame Blade, which will keep up the damage output, if melee Wizard is your thing.
You guys are going to be busy with sub-classes when Tasha's comes out.
I didn't even know this subclass existed! I've been scared of being a wizard because of their low AC but with this subclass...maybe it is time to give them a try.
I never knew this subclass even existed. I've never played a wizard. I should look into them
Glad to see the wizard beefed up abit. Definitely makes the class much more viable.
I just started a hobgoblin warmage in a campaign, I love the arcane-militaristic theme.
Mountain Dwarf War Wizard. Medium Armor, Warhammer or Battleaxe, and spell casting. Green-Flame Blade every round when not casting a spell requiring concentration.
“This class doesn’t give you anything outside of combat.” What the WAR MAGIC subclass only gives COMBAT abilities? I am shooketh. 😉
Joking aside, this makes a hilarious but mechanically effective 2-level splash into your tanky barbarian build. You can use the Arcane Deflection while raging, and get that bonus to your initiative too. I’d want to play a medium armour/shield wearing Ancestral Guardian barb with 2 levels of War Magic wizard, and pick spells that are more RP/exploration based like ritual spells.
You can afford to take a 10 in your DEX with the armour and shield, and use your INT for initiative instead. I'd go with 15STR, 10DEX, 13CON, 14INT, 12WIS, 8CHA plus racial bonuses. With the new rules in Tasha's (which got a preview in the new Adventurer's League Player Guide for season 10), it's actually easy to start at level 1 with 16STR *and* 16INT for this build.
I’m now I’m addicted to watching these and now have so many back up characters
Another fun vid. I send these to my players when they ask about a class.
On demand bonus to AC or saving throws? Nice. Initiative bonus? Nice. Power Surge sounds like a cool mechanic but I wish if it did more. I think adding your Int modifier to the existing damage would have been perfect but I can see it being op in some campaign settings. Nevertheless, I think this subclass has a lot of potential for interesting builds. Love the video, keep up the good work.
9:34 I would like to clear something up, you actually can still use spells like call lightning or flame sphere even if you have the arcane deflection active, granted you casted these spells before this feature activates.
If you look at the Errata for Xtge, it says nothing about not being able to use spells like flaming sphere or spells that have lingering affects. I know Mike Mearls saying you cant would make most people believe you cant if rules as intended, but the Errata is a group decision and I think they ultimately decided for you to be able to use these types of spells to avoid the subclass having bad synergy with itself.
I've been thinking of using this subclass and a mercenary veteran to play a carefree merc wizard making his way about the world, the kind that had to learn from a wizard in Mercenary band and as such lacks the standard wizard education. Use that kind of background to avoid some of the more standard wizard utility spells for ones that would be considered more useful in a battle situation but maybe not damage focused.
The power surge ability gives more control and strength to the war wizard that at first glance.
You’re very much correct to compare the damage capability of sacrificing a 3rd level slot used for a fireball to the damage potential gained by dispel/counterspelling.
There are several important factors that need to be considered though, which makes this ability quite complicated and difficult to quantify.
1) dispel magic can end multiple spells on a target with one casting. Taking this into account, the war wizard can make use of cantrips and rituals to cast on an object or person. After multiple spell effects are on the intended “dispel” target, the war wizard sacrifices their slot to gain a number of charges equal to the number of spells dispelled. This is limited by your intelligence modifier, and you squeeze out a little more bang for your slot if you’ve already had your first combat encounter and used your starting power surge. Your party may also contribute rituals/cantrip to build your charges. This is not worth trying to do until at least 20 Intelligence and around a base wizard level of 10. Counterspell is not as strong since the casting of counterspell already has a substantial effect on the game.
2) while the charge is limited to one target, the bonus damage raises the minimum AND maximum damage of any given spell effect. While this is on average comparable to the empowered metamagic, this minimum/maximum becomes a bit more reliable.
3) the damage bonus potentially given by power surge is not limited to once per round, but per turn. Similar to how a rogue can gain sneak attack more than once by attacking on another creatures turn, the war wizard can sacrifice power surges on another creatures turn to spread damage around per turn. This is increases by the fact that some ongoing spell effects may be used on multiple creatures during each of their turns, while a rogue is usually limited to one reaction. Another similarity to the empowered metamagic.
I have a war wizard multiclassed with a 1 level dip into the order domain. I make use of the guidance and resistance cantrips to ensure that I have a no resource cost ability to concentrate nearly at all times for the durable magic feature.
I use prestidigitation on myself to make a symbol of Mystra appear on myself for an hour, non concentration.
I cast thaumaturgy on myself to change my eye color, or to make my voice boom when casting vocal components.
I cast guidance on myself to thematically ask for aid from Mystra to give me power to end my foes.
I ritually cast comprehend languages on myself to thematically prepare to understand the guidance im seeking from mystra in the form of power.
I lastly cast bladeward on myself, which is non concentration, and specifically lasts until the end of your next turn.
I then immediately cast dispel magic on myself, ending all 5 spells on myself and gaining 5 power surges. This represents my offerings and dedication to the god of my characters faith, mystra. +3 to +10 force damage on targets of your choice begins looking a lot better later on when you actually gain the stats and spell slots to use the feature more effectively.
Who would’ve thought having too many choices would be a bad thing in this case, oh well…
Insert generic especially the wizard comment here
I’m gonna be playing a Halloween one shot this year and I’ve been looking for the right wizard starter for a jedi character and I think war wizard is it.
Take a look at psi warrior fighter
Seems like a good class to make DIY eldritch knight, go 5 levels on fighter than a 2 level dip for better initiative, +2 to AC and a better spell list! I'm probably going to make this at some point, seems excellent. Really is a subclass that benefits other classes more than wizards, good way to get a consistent AC of 24 for a martial class.
I wish they had a better level 6 feature. Maybe an extra attack option like EK or blade singer, intellect to attack and damage rolls, something in that vein. Basically anything instead of the surge nonsense. I'm a 7th level warmage in a high magic campaign and that level 6 class feature is straight up pointless. I can add 3 dmg to a spell once per short rest unless I spend 3rd level spell slots to fuel it? Garbage. 10 and 14 are cool. But 6 just leaves you in an absolute power trough from 2-10 compared to other subclasses. Alternatively a 2 level dip for an eldritch knight feels reallly good.
I am very excited to try this out, I may end up using it in my next campaign! I just have to decide between that and enchanter wizard! I hope I'm in the running for a book!
Ok. War Wiazard 10/Eldritch Knight 10. If you concentrate on haste that's +6 AC, +6 to saves, booming blade, bonus action attack, haste attack, target gets disadvantage on saves if you hit with any of those attacks. You can build sword and board with defense fighting style for AC, greatsword GWF GWM for damage, or polearm master + sentinel for cheese.
How do you get to +6 AC? I only get to +4 without using your reaction
@@lyssasfaith It's using your reaction. +2 from haste, +2 from Arcane Deflection, +2 from Durable Magic. You're casting booming blade/green flame blade the next round anyway as an eldritch knight. The sword/shield/defense build is an addition +3 AC.
I'd rather play this class then multiclass a fighter and wizard.
I want to play this class and multi class it with a eldritch knight lol
@@siroreo same
What about blood hunter. Thoughts? Seems like it could be nice with a Melee blood hunter.
@@nicholasbaumann5658 I know I’m a few months late but Im thinking about doing at myself!
@@siroreo oof
This just sounds like such a cool subclass
Yet another great subclass breakdown! Looking forward to build a character around it
literally just started a game and am using this subclass. really enjoy everything you guys do.
All I'm going to say is goblin wizard and fury of the small. Lol
Magic missler?? Lmao
"Force Wizard" lol
Cantrip master??
14 war wizard 6 divine sorcerer??
I harness the arcane and Divine!!
Great video as always, and unrelated: I'm sure you guys must be thrilled to be getting Tasha's so you can make more content
We can't wait for all the new stuff to go through! Thanks for watching!
Just a reminder the arcane deflection is on that one single attack. A Gith would be an ideal choice I think, getting Medium armor with a great sword is ideal.
im currently playing a war magic wizard myself. the initiative boost alone has been helpful to me, ive unfortunately had some bad luck with my rolls even using my arcane deflection.
TCOE is gonna be awesomeee, without a doubt my fave dnd channel
I’m here because I was told I could make Thanos out of a Half Orc War Magic Wizard. Love the video!
Also T-COE looks amazing!! Can’t wait!
I have a hard time getting excited for wizard subclasses. I do agree that it's a potentially good multiclass option. How many different classes give initiative bonuses based on one of your non-dex stats? Maybe I'll combine all of them and take Alert for the complete overkill on initiative.
Have been debating whether to go War Wizard or Bladesinger for a build I have in mind. Gonna wait for Tasha's to see how they change that up.
Awesome was looking for a good new video on War Magic Wizard! I'm very indecisive about this.
You guys rule! Excited for Tashas content from you as well!
I multi classed into War Wizard with my Eldritch Knight and Arcane Deflection is a nice alternative to indomitable. Getting the right level mix to maximize spell slots (since EK is a 1/3 caster) just takes a little extra math and planning.
Loved your channel seens i stumble into it a couple of days ago. Been watching all your older vids.
That page turn at 1:15 was very synergized
Noticed that in editing lol thanks for watching!
I’ve been watching your guys’ stuff on wizards cause I am going to be using a Goliath Wizard in Rime of the Frostmaiden.
I've been looking into playing a war magic wizard. Thank you for reveiwing
Thanks for watching ;)
I have a war mage character in the form of a little passive aggressive goblin. He is definitely more combat the role-play (because he barely speaks common), but I have him in a war campaign anyway.
War magic sounds like fun. Possibly multi classing with an eldritch knight
Add the war caster feat and this would be so much fun
This sub-class is all about battlefield control IMO. Go 1st, set up that CC, or buff/debuff, and keep concentration.
I really like the concept of a Orc War Magic Wizard
Ive never been one to play wizards! But war magic is Definately a cool choice 😎
War wizard "I am rubber, you are glue." *Boing-fwip*
Seems good for a dip with war cleric.
This make it tough to chose when to use counterspell. If you use it too often for getting high damage you might not have a counterspell available for that big spell the enemy caster was waiting to use. on the other hand if you wait for the perfect opportunity to use it you wont benefit much from the added damage (even though its not that much). Its definitely an interesting subclass though might take a dip with a combat class.
Really enjoying this series! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Great video, great subclass.
I’m much more a fan of role play favoring subclasses but this does sound super fun for a dungeon crawl campaign.
All the boosts to armor class this subclass gets is pretty good for a Wizard.
I only wish the RP value was better, but I'm sure just the name "War Magic" is enough to inspire some players~
Keep up the good work guys.
I rarely go wizard but when I do. I choose WAR!
Im unsure how good this is standing on its own but it is really good multiclassed with Cleric or Druid. Its really good there. I should role one up and play with it and see how it feels
Yeah I'm currently running a War Magic 4th lvl with Cleric Domain Forged 4th lvl. Loving the multi classing of it, but wouldn't ever take it all the way to 20th.
The hype-train for Tasha is real!
This'll be fun once Tasha's pops up
Currently playing a War mage Half-orc. Everyone thinks I'm a monk until its too late. ( Comfy travelling clothes and a quarter staff)
On the war path... just with more books and learning
Another great video like always guys!!! Thanks for the help understanding the subclass❤️
Also it’s a hella good multiclass dip for a melee based character
I'm so pumped for the new book!!
My next wizard is a toss up between this and a bladesinger.
Tbh this is a subclass I wanna use in my next campaign
I'm using a chronurgy wizard as of now with a 1 lvl dip in draconic bloodline sorcerer an its a blast! So was thinking of a dip in fighter an wmw in this next campaign to make a pretty interesting spellsword
I really like this class but it is a shame they made some parts of it so restricting. Power surge is my favourite part of it in concept but what it does is kinda weak if you started with a full 5 surges per long rest and you could use them to get more reactions per turn rather than do damage I think that would be a lot more interesting.
Really wondered why they didn’t just make it a number of surges per long rest equal to intelligence modifier... thanks for watching!
That tweet didn’t answer anything. It wasn’t a “yes or no” question.
The individual asked if the intended play was one way or the other.
Also, if you click on the tweet to expand on the replies, you’ll see a Jeremy Crawford quote referencing the difference between the action of casting a spell and using an action given by a spell.
This distinction is the bread and butter of using the same spells you mentioned as a sorcerer who makes use of the quicken metamagic. Quickening a sunbeam casting time a bonus action and then on the same turn using your action to reactivate that damage.
We did look into it with Jeremy but we didn’t want to spend too much time on the details and all the ruling stuff so we decided to just go with the apparent rules as intended definition. In the end it’s always up to DM discretion for their table and is more gray area than most of these kinds of things. Still makes one of the best level dips out there regardless of the ruling. Thanks for watching as always!
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I’ve been personally playing a war wizard for about a year now. My group and I have been playing under the assumption that the raw was the intent, as we had no reason to even question it during play. If the jump that was made about this interpretation of the tweet is indeed the intention, it definitely wasn’t addressed with the recent Xanathars errata. It would incredibly limit this wizard subclass to the point where it’s only benefit would be to take it as a dip.
I’ve taken the liberty of tweeting Mr Crawford for clarification. If he happens to respond I’ll make sure to link it in a new reply.
This ruling truly does impact this class in a substantial way, to the point that it takes away a basic spell use strategy. I hope this works out. This is reflected clearly by your rating system.
If you do get a response, please let us know in a new comment on the video as we don’t get automatic notifications for responses in comment thread chains. I and I’m sure many others would love an official, clearly stated answer on this!
Love your work
i didn’t even know this subclass existed lol. sounds like fun
4:50 emphasis on the "war magic", of course all of your abilities would be combat oriented. Also inherently defensive in nature, at least in part
Love these guy’s.
how did i just not know this subclass existed? lol i would love to play as one of these
No surprise that a subclass called 'War Magic' would be heavily combat based. XD
Hmm love the detail
Another good video you guys always know what you doing keep up the good work
Really want to play a dwarf war wizard some time.
Love the videos super helpful
Keep up the good work
keep up the good work
You should be able to maintain concentration after Arcane Deflection because you're no longer "casting".
On another note about RAI vs RAW, would you allow an Arcana Cleric multiclassed with War Magic Wizard, Spellbreaker feature to feed into Power Surge? Typically it is fed through Dispel Magic or Counterspell, but Spellbreaker has a similar effect of breaking a spell's effect on an ally with a healing spell of equal or greater level than the spell it's ending.
Eldritch knight + war mage = a guarantee you'll ruin someone's day
I feel like this class doesn't quite know what it wants to be. It's like WotC looked at the wizard and said, "let's make a wizard that doesn't have to sit on the backline throwing fireballs, but still can't mix it up in combat, so essentially all the extra stuff we give them doesn't actually benefit that much"
Power surge and deflecting shroud are basically worthless with how little damage they do.
Love you guys
Multi-class war magic wizard with war domain cleric ... 💥💣🤨
Are you guys going to talk about Baldur's Gate 3 when it comes out? I'd be pretty interested in some content from you guys on it.
It’s very possible. Talking about getting early access with some of our buddies. If it’s something people are interested in I don’t see why not! Thanks for watching!
I feel like this and the Bladesinger should just be mashed into the same subclass.
In regard to using casted spells, can I even use Spiritual weapon? It’s not even con! Making a war war wizard cleric.