@@Matt-md5yt Considering Maxson was banned as a kid from entering the Rothschild's lab for trying to make friends with Liberty Prime, I wouldn't be surprised if he secretly wanted his homie back.
I don’t think they explain this part of any of the factions yet for a reason, they leave it open for interpretation or they’re waiting for a game do you have like the enclave Caesars legion the NCR every like big governmental faction will truly show the colors on, once they find out about a vault vault TEC doesn’t talk about that has so many people so many resources so much that it could fix the waste land, but one of the sections needs to let them out and influence them for their power, and I think the best way to make this story in my opinion would be make each one of the factions make your volt have a failure to where they will need to send somebody out to collect resources or things, and typically and not Bethesda fashion, add many ways to beat the game out a way to make it so you don’t even need any of the factions, because I would love to see a game show how easy it is to manipulate, by using their story to make the person believe and trust these people their first Playthrough and help V very very very last bit until they can’t leave because they want to replay and try to get a better ending and they will learn perception, and intelligence all have their own little types of important play you may have a lot of, you can talk to anybody, of somebody who has a lot of karma and intelligence they can manipulate and lie a lot better that’s my thought but I personally believe fall I should sell IP I believe they will be the reason the game dies
Still can't say it's justified. Beyond the synth creation, the hydroponics, industrial capacity, and energy production could of been indispensable resources for the brotherhood or commonwealth. The institute was already doing surface tests with plant hybrids that could grow better than preexisting varieties. Also, considering there was FEV stored in the institute, blowing it up seems like it could have potentially dangerous consequences
On one hand... They have the technology that can help human rebuild civilization. A technology that can rebuild and research again. But on other hand, they possess the technology (Synth) that could potentially send human to stone age, one last time. A technology that would take much longer for humanity to rediscover but Humanity is already having a hard time trying to not kill other for whatever reason, now there player Two who seems to be the superior version ot humanity, that doesn't need to eat or sleep and immune to diseases? It is obvious which option is safer and have less consequences.
@@lordhoboofsavior36 what stops them from going through and destroying that division of the institute. This is hundreds of years of work destroyed because of one part of it that is considered immoral. Blowing up the entire facility and the hard work in it is not justified. The BOS, or at least the commonwealth chapter, has no interest in helping rebuild humanity. They are only interested in themselves. Proctor Teagan's radiant quest supports that. They have no problem extorting the region to supply there war machine
@@phule1792 ive written a long comment and lost it so i write a tldr. If there's a one in a million chance of Synth technology leaking to the wrong hands instead of one in a billion or trillion or none at all, and you still took the risk because you didn't want to waste the 200 years of research by the Institute which could greatly benefit humanity. You're a fool (no offense) because you unnecessary risk humanity existence all around the world just after they were at risk of being extinct 200 year ago after the Bomb fell. For all we know, humanity could be at War, not against the Institute but against the whole existence of Synth and it could be years. Decades or centuries and humanity be at the mercy of machine one last time. which is most likely what Bethesda is heading for.
Brotherhood 101, from an old ghoul that's been watching them lose their history but roughly keep their tenets since 1997: The two most important questions are 'is this pre-war tech' and 'does it have military implications?' If it was developed post-war (or FOR the war) it's automatically suspicious, as ANYTHING can have military implications to the creative or paranoid, and if it's at a big enough scale it's anathema. They didn't used to be so proactive about it but after their policies towards the Master's Army were proven so wrong the next century saw a period of increasing contact with the wasteland coupled with a century-long organizational decay. It really seems to have left some scars.
The Master certainly traumatized post-war America, especially the BoS, who were so close to the action. Add the Enclave debacle and a civil war out east and yeah, I might've been slightly radicalized into a scorched earth policy.
those scars have brought the east coast chapter far more in line with the west coast enclaves line of thinking but they don't have the history to inform them of such anymore if they ever had it to begin with
@@GhostOfMilliesHat we have yet to see them misuse it in any way shape or form , even liberty prime was brought online simply because both the enclave and insitute were tough nuts to crack , give liberty prime to a random wasteland smartass and he may either use it to blast apart raiders or he may use it to blast apart everyone he sees , its a risk that hte BoS is not willing to take
It's just the old: "too dangerous to be kept alive" meme. Even if you spare the scientists when going for a Minutemen/Railroad ending, now they have no choice but to rely on the commonwealth-making them at least somewhat accountable to society and giving little to no means of harm and influence.
On my most recent playthrough, I always seemed to talk to Elder Maxxon during twilight, the shadows that were cast across his face each time really brought into perspective how insane he is
A better question is why did the Railroad blow up the Institute. Doesn't it seem a little strange that a group dedicated and willing to die for synths destroys the only way to make more, effectively making synths an endangered species?
Or why couldn’t General choose for the Minutemen to take control of the Institute? (Obvious answer Bethesda being lazy and copy pasting the endings for all three non-institute factions)
If you do their ending, they struggle trying to help the countless Synths that escape the Institute. It'd be impossible to be the protectors of an infinite production of Synths. Also, with everything the Institute's done - both to the Commonwealth and them - it's destruction is a simple delivery of justice.
@@a.monach7602 ? So the solution for having personnel and administration issues is to ultimately render the synth race extinct. I do have to appreciate their commitment to being one of the most poorly conceived and dimwitted faction in Fallout's history.
@@TheTendermen And what of the Commonwealth? They've lived with fear and hatred of Synths for generations. It isn't just the personnel. The Institute had ultimately dug the Synths' graves. Isn't the entire point of the Railroad being that Synths are equal to humans, and therefore deserve freedom? They're not the leaders of Synths _as a species,_ if you can call it that. Also, we're literally talking about the Institute, yet you're labeling the Railroad as poorly conceived. If it's a stupid competition, I know Father's bringing home the gold.
@@a.monach7602 The commonwealth’s problems are more than the Institute itself, and destroying the facility isn’t the only way to feasibly remove its threat. And final point, yeah that’s fair. Still think the Railroad is worse, for various reason (including their whole ‘covert’ attitude where they seem to be pretending to be spies and covert, rather than actually being covert, and their entire organisation should have been crushed based on the fact that there is a literal red painted line that leads to their organisation).
They just destroyed a large self-sufficient radiation free and easy to fortify Underground city Instead of residing in a blimp filled with combustible gas and experiencing engine problems they could have turned the Institute into their new base
That's closer to their own stated goals as well, they usually hoard and use advanced technology even when it's a weapon, like liberty prime and Helios one. Bethesda just wanted to use the basically the same ending as the other factions.
Except they only came to the commonwealth to find and destroy the institute. After it’s gone they’re probably going to piss off back to DC or the Midwest since the Commonwealth is a backwater without the Institute.
Exactly. Taking over the facility would make a lot more sense for all the other factions. For the brotherhood it would give them a foothold in the commonwealth they need and could make them the most powerful force in the north east. But instead they act like cavemen and blow it up and gain pretty much nothing 😂
I always saw the brotherhood like the Admech in 40k. Very interested in hoarding as much tech as possible, but fearful about innovation, because in their case, they think it could cause another massive war.
And remember Fallout's overarching message that each faction has it's issues (war never changes) that would cause a true solution to the post apocalyptic society. The brotherhood are bullies and short sighted, which is why they do not see the value in what the Institute does. Saving this technology might be something the minuteman would do, only to mismanage, bicker, and lose it later.
@@UnknownPerson-cq3qv yeah sadly true the minutemen are being held up by one dude. But the plus side is if you do the right side quest you can unlock free immortality drugs.
@@MAC-0 While I can concede "war never changes" is more a Bethesda motif (though when you said beginning my first thought was the Fallout 76 lore lol) even then the fighting over diplomacy/civility between BoS, the FEV, and the Enclave were well known. I should have said, One of the messages..."
@@UnknownPerson-cq3qv I didn't even think about that but the Minutemen are completely reliant on 1 Person to Feed, Clothes, feed, Protect, Integrate and Build.
Very true. Everyone has a god complex in that sense, we all fall in line trying to do better. The best way to do better is to let history play itself out, because then you don’t see yourself become the villain of it
@@hhs_leviathan A.I. so we'll disguised it can pass as human. Can potentially work extremely well as undercover assasins or sleeper agents. To them, the less let loose in the wasteland the better
Issue is that there could be traps in the software that cause issues, you never know if the institute is as paranoid as everyone else in the wasteland haha
@@chaoslordnicky9723 me either, any self respecting technological faction in fallout has some kind of failsafes in place. Safer to destroy any active facilities than try to occupy them.
If the Sole Survivor could build the same reactor, why did they need a beryllium agitator? And I know something better than a nuclear reactor. Two of them. But the Brotherhood termed it "acceptable losses."
@@peytongonavy cause it takes years to build a reactor like that and they have days, both the institute and brotherhood say they'd rather build their own but don't have timd
@@nicholasrose8173 so we just shouldn't put too much faith in the sole survivor being able to ass-spawn infinite reactor-building materials like a dirty cheater. They're still just one person who we can't ask to be responsible for bringing power to the entire Eastern Seaboard. The Brotherhood will have to lead like they've been doing for the previous two decades.
Roger Mason killed the scientists because he was horrified by what they did not because they had more power. Also, this video does not explain why in Fallout 4 they wanted to destroy the Institute. Just because they've destroyed certain groups before doesn't mean they always will.
Why the BoS destroyed certain groups bases: Fallout 1: they were up against a literal army, and even if they took over the base I doubt they would have the numbers to control it let alone fend against a counter attack. Blowing it up was their only feasible solution. Fallout 4: they were up against a small group of evil scientists with an small army of shitty robots I guess. I mean taking control of this facility would be just as effective as blowing it up since the Institute scientists would lose everything, even their ability to maintain their robots. So idk.
@@TheTendermen No, I was talking about the scientists not the Super Mutants. The scientists (super mutants didn't exist at that time) were experimenting on people and when Mason found out he had his men kill the scientists. I only corrected the part on the scientists.
@@crayonmythos I was answering the second part of your comment, with why the BoS destroyed the Institute, and compared it with why they would destroy the Mariposa Base in Fallout 1.
I always thought a couple of the initiates or scribes got as much data as they could while the brotherhood members in power armor, were fighting off the Institute and basically taking all eyes off of them.
Elder maxson was blinded by revenge ever since that incident in the capital wasteland. Any other elder would've seen the good the technology inside the institute would benefit their cause or at least their own people tremendously.
Don’t forget all the information they yoinked out of the institute the first time you enter. You know, the same information they used to find out that paladin dance was lowly synth.
I think I would have liked to see the brotherhood only destroy the synth tech in the base and obtain the teleport tech and use it for themselves, think of suits of power amour with an inbuilt teleport function that can with the click of a button obtain whatever item or aid they needed in the field or build a network to link the different chapters of the brotherhood
Maxson wasn't just offing scientists for no reason, he wanted to know which ones were experimenting on humans with the FEV and was executing them based on their crimes. And Mariposa wasn't exactly that great of a location to hold considering the FEV wasn't much use to the BoS, and they literally came from there anyway. Better to destroy the FEV than let new mutants be born.
House was an oligarchic chode with a huge ego. And that note in new Vegas saying he was the best chance for humanity is literally an obituary that he wrote for himself. 😂
I shamefully agree with the house take, despite his authoritarian ways of doing things and his refusal to consider democracy, I think he’d unironically advance society past the wasteland anarchy with the proper power
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat How many generations of grooming would you need to get that done? 3? 10? As stated in fiction as old as 70 years ago, but I'm sure the idea is older, and has more modern interpretations but it's the one I know by heart. "Human affairs are always so simple minded. To make a plan that lasts one lifetime is normal. To make one that lasts two is in our realms of understanding. To make one that lasts hundreds of generations is unheard of". The same thing would be in play in the world of Fallout, except even the time scale of 3 generations might be stretching it because of how easily one loose end could screw it all up.
I just recently finished Fallout 2 and it seems that they are also a tad bit jealous of those who have better tech than them. Which is why they nuked all of Enclave technology EVEN ENCLAVE POWER ARMOR which could have been very useful to them.
When you put it like that. The brotherhood doesn’t really have a special task in mind because for events like attacking the Institute, they could have easily just broke in, killed those that resisted and took the underground base for its teleportation technology at least or to find ways of making organs for the disabled as well as bionics. I think personally that the brotherhood is basically useless with their goals because they throw away opportunities that would make themselves stronger and more successful and if there’s any faction that’s successfully with captured technology as well as creating new ones was the Enclave. I don’t like the Enclave because they’re stereotypically evil like the Institute but I do have to give them credit, they were good at what they did.
To be honest the ending of Fallout 4 upset me greatly like why would anybody want to destroy a state-of-the-art facility it could change the lives of so many but all the factions except the institute want to turn it into a crater do they not realize what they're destroying they're destroying the future you could easily take over the institute all their protection is just a bunch of gen ones and twos and some coursers which to be honest isn't all that deadly one grenade would like blow up half the synths in one go
I wish the Minutemen took the instute bunker as a second base of operations Like if they used the spy crows as a commonwealth for a better cause Hell maybe make Minutemen gen 2 synths And use the relay so they can truly be there in minutes Heck they could even make the Castle a power armor depo Hell they could kill evey super mutant raider gunner death claw and ghoul And wall off the glowing sea with there unlimited work force of synths
I still think the BOS could’ve done more to spare some scientists and tech. They had some amazing achievements. At the very least they should’ve recruited Virgil to potentially cure super mutants that were once human
I have never sided with the Brotherhood in fo4 so I had no idea how it ended. 😁 the onlything keeping them from being the worst faction is the Railroad
@@Puritan1985 you're joking, right? There's nothing wrong with the railroad except a staggering lack of numbers and a too shortsighted focus on their goals. Hint: just use a 😂 emoji next time instead of having a stick up your ass lol
To be fair all major factions end up blowing up the Institute, if anything it doesn't make sense for the railroad to destroy it.. If no more synths are being produced eventually they'll all be out of work.
There should have been an alternate ending where the brotherhood and institute form into a bigger faction in order to set them up against the NCR in a future game
The Brotherhood is very dogmatic when it comes to this. They don’t think of the good, they only think of the bad. They are also extremely militaristic and fanatical (they even have their own Brotherhood Youth).
I went with the Minutemen ending where you can keep the Railroad and the Brotherhood alive, but sometimes I think I made the wrong choice. Other than the murdering of wastelanders and the treatment of the Synths I actually liked the Institute more than the Brotherhood of Steel.
The BoS could have used the tech but I think the writers couldn’t fit in the possibility of whatever faction you side with taking over the resources of the Institute. So it falls to us to imagine why the BoS specifically would destroy the facility. The institute was kidnapping, killing and replacing people, really for almost no reason at all. If they needed people on the surface for information collection they could just keep sending coursers and Gen 3 synths without killing and replacing anyone. And then they could have started introducing the new, beneficial tech on the surface. But they never seemed aimed to improve the world. The institute needed to be destroyed, but unfortunately it couldn’t be written in for another faction to take over their facility. In a perfectly written game, the BoS goes in and destroys the institute’s ability to fight, and then absorbs their scientists and continues the research.
And thats why i destroyed the BoS. Destroying something with such potential to restore the sueface is stupid as heck. Ending as the leader of minutemen and the institute has the greatest potential of all.
"Isn't this a contradiction to the Brotherhood's goals?" literally yes. In this situation they had no reason to blow up the facility. They've broken in and managed to take control over it. The sheer fact they blew up COUNTLESS pieces of advanced technology with no threat of losing it makes Roger Maxson roll in his grave
No. As mentioned in the video, the Roger Maxon and his comrades, before the BoS was even formed, killed the scientists who were experimenting with FEV. This was completely in-character for the Brotherhood.
I feel like you people don’t even have familiarity with the sources you cite. If you ever gone through the original Maxson holotapes, you can see that the BoS always had a minor anti-intellectual streak. Maxson not only executes the scientists, he even refers to them as “eggheads”. That reveals a lot about his mindset. At the end of the day, though he’s deified and revered as the founder, he was basically just a really charismatic and brave jarhead. A soldier first. The Brotherhood’s whole organizational arc can be defined by a conflict and tension between intellectualism and preservation of knowledge/tech vs. anti-intellectualism and restriction of knowledge/tech This is exemplified by the way Paladins seem to always be bickering and arguing with scribes.
Its still stupid that they blew up the institute because all they needed to do was disable the synth machine and then they would have had a ton of new tech and a pretty secure new lab (after fixing the ceiling). The Vault Dweller single-handedly destroyed Mariposa because it only existed to create FEV mutants, and John Henry Eden’s self destruction is what destroyed Raven Rock. There is literally no good reason for any of the anti-Institute factions to destroy it because the Teleporter tech alone would instantly make all of their jobs easier.
What I don’t get about the BoS in the commonwealth is that destroying the institute really doesn’t fulfill their original goal because they’ve twisted and perverted it through the years. The Institute was probably the most advanced organization in the wasteland save for the Think Tank of Big MT. They were self sustaining in virtually every way possible and had technology that could’ve revived the world, but oh no they had robots that looked like people. The Brotherhood didn’t see any of the other technology, they saw a loaded gun that they couldn’t figure out how to use, so they destroyed it.
It makes sense they’d blow up something they can’t control or don’t have the manpower to occupy but the BoS we see is probably at its most numerous and the institute has one facility dedicated to Gen 3 synth production and that’s it. The rest is simple computers or manufacturing hubs that can be easily cleaned out and repurposed.
I want a fallout game focusing on the brotherhood, imagine a opening similar to how 3 does except we are children born into the brotherhood and trained from children in combat science and technology they could take this so many great places from here.
Why wouldn't the Railroad blow it up? The Institute is everyone's enemy, especially the Synths they are trying to protect. They aren't trying to create a new society of Synths, they only wanna liberate the Synths who already exist so they can live their lives free.
That can be said about literally any of the factions in the game. The nuke ending should've been a wildcard-style option in case the player just wants the bad karma ending.
I think, if I remember correctly, the brotherhood of steel are largely concerned with the preservation of pre war technology and the concealment of it from people not involved in their faction. The institute has enormously beneficial technology but the BoS don't consider it technology in need of preservation because its not pre war and so can probably just be made again. I think they believe that, because some technology was made pre war, the knowledge and schematics required to make it would also be pre war, hence the need for preservation. Its not necessarily about the importance of the technology, or the beneficial nature of it, perhaps just the time period and the restraints of its construction
Because we’re not the true General; Preston Garvey is and that’s why he’s always giving us missions or making the big decisions in the end like that one. The Sole Survivor is treated as a figurehead leader.
The Minute Men cannot hold or maintain a facility like the Institute. These are all farmers with homes they need to get back to eventually, and there aren't enough skilled engineers to prevent the institute from falling to disrepair.
This is the Bethesda simp answer. Reason is roughly just as, if not more flimsy than nuking Megaton. They wanted the option to set off a nuke because "nukes cool and players want explosions!" but didn't care to actually give a valid reason.
That's what bothered me. Blowing up something which could literally save the Commonwealth. Would have been much better to have a conquest instead of "bRuH bLoW uP"
my problem is the fact that the institute essentially mastered synthetic meat production (as evidenced by the synth gorillas having meat on their corpses as loot) and could focus on feeding the wasteland with synth meat of whatever species, if not just manufacturing the meat without a life attached to it. The institute and/or its technology could 100 percent be used for good if anyone cared enough but noooooooooo big robot make bad place go boom and then no one really benefits
I mean, if you think about it. Among 3 main factions, institute seems the most reasonable. BoS are power loving pricks, Rail Road ... is rail road, and institute offers humanity a way to survive. I'm not counting minuteman in because they are neutral and will follow the player regardless of side they chosen to be at.
I guess that makes since especially since the new Maxson branch is so violent. This justification is completely ignored by Elijah in New Vegas and we saw how an obsessed techno wizard like him turned out
Are we forgetting that the Railroad and Minutemen also destroy the Institute? Yes, the Brotherhood is far more ruthless with how it kills scientists without mercy, but it performs the same end action with the strongest ideological reasoning.
there should have probably been an option to save some remnant of the institute's technology, but it's more of a high risk/high reward strategy. the brotherhood acted in the name of preventing human extinction/synth replacement so I don't think what they did was unjustified even if it was extreme.
People forget the whole reason they collect tech in the first place is to KEEP IT OUT OF OTHERS HANDS. Not to innovate. Not to improve other peoples lives. So this isn't a contradiction at all.
The real answer is that Maxson just wanted to see Liberty Prime yeet a mini nuke one last time
True 🤣
"as a Boy, Liberty Prime was awesome piece of PreWar and was sadden when he died" - Maxson probably
@@Matt-md5yt Considering Maxson was banned as a kid from entering the Rothschild's lab for trying to make friends with Liberty Prime, I wouldn't be surprised if he secretly wanted his homie back.
I watched liberty prime throw a nuke at a single raider, then he preceded to completely shit on 2 behemoths
@@s7shorty
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Well not to mention they aren't just about collecting tech but keeping it out of the hands of normies. So if I cant have it, no one can.
I don’t think they explain this part of any of the factions yet for a reason, they leave it open for interpretation or they’re waiting for a game do you have like the enclave Caesars legion the NCR every like big governmental faction will truly show the colors on, once they find out about a vault vault TEC doesn’t talk about that has so many people so many resources so much that it could fix the waste land, but one of the sections needs to let them out and influence them for their power, and I think the best way to make this story in my opinion would be make each one of the factions make your volt have a failure to where they will need to send somebody out to collect resources or things, and typically and not Bethesda fashion, add many ways to beat the game out a way to make it so you don’t even need any of the factions, because I would love to see a game show how easy it is to manipulate, by using their story to make the person believe and trust these people their first Playthrough and help V very very very last bit until they can’t leave because they want to replay and try to get a better ending and they will learn perception, and intelligence all have their own little types of important play you may have a lot of, you can talk to anybody, of somebody who has a lot of karma and intelligence they can manipulate and lie a lot better that’s my thought but I personally believe fall I should sell IP I believe they will be the reason the game dies
@@Hellothis12157knbhb what?
I use arch BTW
For example, they destroy their own power armor
Still can't say it's justified. Beyond the synth creation, the hydroponics, industrial capacity, and energy production could of been indispensable resources for the brotherhood or commonwealth. The institute was already doing surface tests with plant hybrids that could grow better than preexisting varieties. Also, considering there was FEV stored in the institute, blowing it up seems like it could have potentially dangerous consequences
But that's a lot less fun
They regularly kidnap and murder innocent people
On one hand... They have the technology that can help human rebuild civilization. A technology that can rebuild and research again.
But on other hand, they possess the technology (Synth) that could potentially send human to stone age, one last time. A technology that would take much longer for humanity to rediscover but
Humanity is already having a hard time trying to not kill other for whatever reason, now there player Two who seems to be the superior version ot humanity, that doesn't need to eat or sleep and immune to diseases?
It is obvious which option is safer and have less consequences.
@@lordhoboofsavior36 what stops them from going through and destroying that division of the institute. This is hundreds of years of work destroyed because of one part of it that is considered immoral. Blowing up the entire facility and the hard work in it is not justified. The BOS, or at least the commonwealth chapter, has no interest in helping rebuild humanity. They are only interested in themselves. Proctor Teagan's radiant quest supports that. They have no problem extorting the region to supply there war machine
@@phule1792 ive written a long comment and lost it so i write a tldr.
If there's a one in a million chance of Synth technology leaking to the wrong hands instead of one in a billion or trillion or none at all, and you still took the risk because you didn't want to waste the 200 years of research by the Institute which could greatly benefit humanity.
You're a fool (no offense) because you unnecessary risk humanity existence all around the world just after they were at risk of being extinct 200 year ago after the Bomb fell.
For all we know, humanity could be at War, not against the Institute but against the whole existence of Synth and it could be years. Decades or centuries and humanity be at the mercy of machine one last time.
which is most likely what Bethesda is heading for.
Brotherhood 101, from an old ghoul that's been watching them lose their history but roughly keep their tenets since 1997: The two most important questions are 'is this pre-war tech' and 'does it have military implications?' If it was developed post-war (or FOR the war) it's automatically suspicious, as ANYTHING can have military implications to the creative or paranoid, and if it's at a big enough scale it's anathema. They didn't used to be so proactive about it but after their policies towards the Master's Army were proven so wrong the next century saw a period of increasing contact with the wasteland coupled with a century-long organizational decay. It really seems to have left some scars.
The Master certainly traumatized post-war America, especially the BoS, who were so close to the action. Add the Enclave debacle and a civil war out east and yeah, I might've been slightly radicalized into a scorched earth policy.
those scars have brought the east coast chapter far more in line with the west coast enclaves line of thinking but they don't have the history to inform them of such anymore if they ever had it to begin with
"They greatly prefer the technology that PUTS people in hospitals, or graves rather."
“Since hospitals went the way of the dodo.”
"You don't see them carting away autodocs or medical technology"
Mr House
Galloping around the Mojave like Knights of your the world doesn't have time for techno fetishes get rid of them will you
so just like the real world governments and Big Pharma. siiiiick
The brotherhood's prerogative isn't to horde technology. It's to keep technology out of the hands of those who would misuse it.
Except then of course 😅
And they acomplish that by hoarding it for themselves...
@@GhostOfMilliesHat we have yet to see them misuse it in any way shape or form , even liberty prime was brought online simply because both the enclave and insitute were tough nuts to crack , give liberty prime to a random wasteland smartass and he may either use it to blast apart raiders or he may use it to blast apart everyone he sees , its a risk that hte BoS is not willing to take
Elder Macon has now been drafted into the NBA
"Here comes Macon! He's makin' the bacon!! AND boom goes the dynamite."
Still think it's stupid to blow up the Institute facility, considering all the good it could do.
I don’t know to the oppressed having their relatives stolen it’s like having a nazi flag outside it probably feels like shit
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Yea, like their political assassinations, and mass murders.
Well this IS the BOS were talking about...
They could have looted all the fancy tech n shit
It's just the old: "too dangerous to be kept alive" meme. Even if you spare the scientists when going for a Minutemen/Railroad ending, now they have no choice but to rely on the commonwealth-making them at least somewhat accountable to society and giving little to no means of harm and influence.
On my most recent playthrough, I always seemed to talk to Elder Maxxon during twilight, the shadows that were cast across his face each time really brought into perspective how insane he is
insane? what?
A better question is why did the Railroad blow up the Institute. Doesn't it seem a little strange that a group dedicated and willing to die for synths destroys the only way to make more, effectively making synths an endangered species?
Or why couldn’t General choose for the Minutemen to take control of the Institute? (Obvious answer Bethesda being lazy and copy pasting the endings for all three non-institute factions)
If you do their ending, they struggle trying to help the countless Synths that escape the Institute. It'd be impossible to be the protectors of an infinite production of Synths.
Also, with everything the Institute's done - both to the Commonwealth and them - it's destruction is a simple delivery of justice.
@@a.monach7602 ? So the solution for having personnel and administration issues is to ultimately render the synth race extinct. I do have to appreciate their commitment to being one of the most poorly conceived and dimwitted faction in Fallout's history.
@@TheTendermen And what of the Commonwealth? They've lived with fear and hatred of Synths for generations. It isn't just the personnel. The Institute had ultimately dug the Synths' graves.
Isn't the entire point of the Railroad being that Synths are equal to humans, and therefore deserve freedom? They're not the leaders of Synths _as a species,_ if you can call it that.
Also, we're literally talking about the Institute, yet you're labeling the Railroad as poorly conceived. If it's a stupid competition, I know Father's bringing home the gold.
@@a.monach7602 The commonwealth’s problems are more than the Institute itself, and destroying the facility isn’t the only way to feasibly remove its threat.
And final point, yeah that’s fair. Still think the Railroad is worse, for various reason (including their whole ‘covert’ attitude where they seem to be pretending to be spies and covert, rather than actually being covert, and their entire organisation should have been crushed based on the fact that there is a literal red painted line that leads to their organisation).
They just destroyed a large self-sufficient radiation free and easy to fortify Underground city
Instead of residing in a blimp filled with combustible gas and experiencing engine problems they could have turned the Institute into their new base
That's closer to their own stated goals as well, they usually hoard and use advanced technology even when it's a weapon, like liberty prime and Helios one. Bethesda just wanted to use the basically the same ending as the other factions.
Stop talking sense.
Except they only came to the commonwealth to find and destroy the institute. After it’s gone they’re probably going to piss off back to DC or the Midwest since the Commonwealth is a backwater without the Institute.
Exactly. Taking over the facility would make a lot more sense for all the other factions. For the brotherhood it would give them a foothold in the commonwealth they need and could make them the most powerful force in the north east. But instead they act like cavemen and blow it up and gain pretty much nothing 😂
I always saw the brotherhood like the Admech in 40k. Very interested in hoarding as much tech as possible, but fearful about innovation, because in their case, they think it could cause another massive war.
And remember Fallout's overarching message that each faction has it's issues (war never changes) that would cause a true solution to the post apocalyptic society.
The brotherhood are bullies and short sighted, which is why they do not see the value in what the Institute does. Saving this technology might be something the minuteman would do, only to mismanage, bicker, and lose it later.
Yup the minutemen would no doubt fall apart again after the Sole Survivor dies or else
@@UnknownPerson-cq3qv yeah sadly true the minutemen are being held up by one dude. But the plus side is if you do the right side quest you can unlock free immortality drugs.
You need to play Fallout to the very beginning, mate.
You will see things differently.
@@MAC-0 While I can concede "war never changes" is more a Bethesda motif (though when you said beginning my first thought was the Fallout 76 lore lol) even then the fighting over diplomacy/civility between BoS, the FEV, and the Enclave were well known. I should have said, One of the messages..."
@@UnknownPerson-cq3qv I didn't even think about that but the Minutemen are completely reliant on 1 Person to Feed, Clothes, feed, Protect, Integrate and Build.
For the Brotherhood hater: they recognize when another faction has destructive tech and want to be the only superpower of the wastes.
Very true. Everyone has a god complex in that sense, we all fall in line trying to do better. The best way to do better is to let history play itself out, because then you don’t see yourself become the villain of it
Elevator isn't destructive tech
"...destructive tech and desire to be the only superpower..."
_Gee whiz, I didn't know the Railroad was hell bent on world domination_
@@hhs_leviathan A.I. so we'll disguised it can pass as human. Can potentially work extremely well as undercover assasins or sleeper agents. To them, the less let loose in the wasteland the better
@Mario what that tall thing in the middle of the institute then???
That goes up and down
I mean considering what the Institute has been doing I’d blow the place to kingdom come too
In reality I feel they would be far better off just taking the institute’s hq, not necessarily the synth tech though
I always thought the same thing it was a very well kept undreground base that was very well hidden aswell
@@chaoslordnicky9723 was very well hidden. They blew a fuckin hole in the ground lmao good luck keeping that secret now 🤣
Issue is that there could be traps in the software that cause issues, you never know if the institute is as paranoid as everyone else in the wasteland haha
@@luggy9256 lol I wouldn't be suprised if they had bombs under the floor ready to sink the institute into a pit
@@chaoslordnicky9723 me either, any self respecting technological faction in fallout has some kind of failsafes in place. Safer to destroy any active facilities than try to occupy them.
I wish there was a way to spare the institute. I feel like it could’ve done more good still around but with just new management
You can do the institute ending then
I have a mod...
Institute is full of sex robots now...
They destroyed one of the only if not the only fusion reactor in the entire wasteland
Thats extremely dumb
They have 2, one in the citadel and 1 in the airship
sole survivor can build plenty more in their settlements. fusion generator, vault tec reactor, vault tec super-reactor
If the Sole Survivor could build the same reactor, why did they need a beryllium agitator?
And I know something better than a nuclear reactor. Two of them. But the Brotherhood termed it "acceptable losses."
@@peytongonavy cause it takes years to build a reactor like that and they have days, both the institute and brotherhood say they'd rather build their own but don't have timd
@@nicholasrose8173 so we just shouldn't put too much faith in the sole survivor being able to ass-spawn infinite reactor-building materials like a dirty cheater. They're still just one person who we can't ask to be responsible for bringing power to the entire Eastern Seaboard. The Brotherhood will have to lead like they've been doing for the previous two decades.
that last line sure is a funny way of saying "if we can't have it, no one can"
Hee hoo Institute go boom.
-Elder Maxson Probably
Chad Maxson: I just wanted to rebuild a giant ass nuke-slinging robot to blow up some nerds' underground secret base
Yes, but all that aluminum….. all that his damn aluminum…… gone 🥺
The way you calmly said "absolutely dunking" got me.
Roger Mason killed the scientists because he was horrified by what they did not because they had more power. Also, this video does not explain why in Fallout 4 they wanted to destroy the Institute. Just because they've destroyed certain groups before doesn't mean they always will.
Why the BoS destroyed certain groups bases:
Fallout 1: they were up against a literal army, and even if they took over the base I doubt they would have the numbers to control it let alone fend against a counter attack. Blowing it up was their only feasible solution.
Fallout 4: they were up against a small group of evil scientists with an small army of shitty robots I guess. I mean taking control of this facility would be just as effective as blowing it up since the Institute scientists would lose everything, even their ability to maintain their robots. So idk.
@@TheTendermen No, I was talking about the scientists not the Super Mutants. The scientists (super mutants didn't exist at that time) were experimenting on people and when Mason found out he had his men kill the scientists. I only corrected the part on the scientists.
@@crayonmythos I was answering the second part of your comment, with why the BoS destroyed the Institute, and compared it with why they would destroy the Mariposa Base in Fallout 1.
@@TheTendermen Oh! I misinterpreted what you were doing. That's my bad.
@@crayonmythos yeah no worries
Basically the brother hood is goblin that lives by "any is mine and if I can't have it no one will"
I always thought a couple of the initiates or scribes got as much data as they could while the brotherhood members in power armor, were fighting off the Institute and basically taking all eyes off of them.
Elder maxson was blinded by revenge ever since that incident in the capital wasteland. Any other elder would've seen the good the technology inside the institute would benefit their cause or at least their own people tremendously.
You're new to Fallout, aren't you?
@@MAC-0 ?
Don’t forget all the information they yoinked out of the institute the first time you enter.
You know, the same information they used to find out that paladin dance was lowly synth.
I think I would have liked to see the brotherhood only destroy the synth tech in the base and obtain the teleport tech and use it for themselves, think of suits of power amour with an inbuilt teleport function that can with the click of a button obtain whatever item or aid they needed in the field or build a network to link the different chapters of the brotherhood
Someone has world changing technology
The Brotherhood of steel: Hippy Hoppy that's now my property!
Fallout fans when the crazy fanatic faction does a crazy fanatic thing: 😮😮😮😮😮
Maxson wasn't just offing scientists for no reason, he wanted to know which ones were experimenting on humans with the FEV and was executing them based on their crimes.
And Mariposa wasn't exactly that great of a location to hold considering the FEV wasn't much use to the BoS, and they literally came from there anyway. Better to destroy the FEV than let new mutants be born.
I love how the two of those factions could have teamed up and reformed society
Yeah...like the USSR and WW2 Germany teaming up....sounds great.....
Without Synths, the Institute was definitely the Commonwealth’s best chance for survival. But, I’d say House was the world’s best chance.
House was an oligarchic chode with a huge ego. And that note in new Vegas saying he was the best chance for humanity is literally an obituary that he wrote for himself. 😂
I shamefully agree with the house take, despite his authoritarian ways of doing things and his refusal to consider democracy, I think he’d unironically advance society past the wasteland anarchy with the proper power
Mr house fans realizing they've been fighting for a rotting corpse and not a computer Chad
@@zachp9314 I’d go with him purely as a means to an end. Then we can get back to being on our bullshit but in space, after offing him, naturally.
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat How many generations of grooming would you need to get that done? 3? 10? As stated in fiction as old as 70 years ago, but I'm sure the idea is older, and has more modern interpretations but it's the one I know by heart.
"Human affairs are always so simple minded. To make a plan that lasts one lifetime is normal. To make one that lasts two is in our realms of understanding. To make one that lasts hundreds of generations is unheard of". The same thing would be in play in the world of Fallout, except even the time scale of 3 generations might be stretching it because of how easily one loose end could screw it all up.
BoS: Oh, this is some nice tech they stored I wonder what else they hav- AHHH, AHHH, AHHH! MUTANT! KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT AHHHHHH!
Also, you download the institute database as part of their mission
They alredy got the tech they need
When he said the brotherhood never shied away from dunking on an opponent I imagined a photo of liberty prime dunking on a synth
"Only we get to have toys!" - Elder Maxson, probably
I just recently finished Fallout 2 and it seems that they are also a tad bit jealous of those who have better tech than them. Which is why they nuked all of Enclave technology EVEN ENCLAVE POWER ARMOR which could have been very useful to them.
When you put it like that. The brotherhood doesn’t really have a special task in mind because for events like attacking the Institute, they could have easily just broke in, killed those that resisted and took the underground base for its teleportation technology at least or to find ways of making organs for the disabled as well as bionics. I think personally that the brotherhood is basically useless with their goals because they throw away opportunities that would make themselves stronger and more successful and if there’s any faction that’s successfully with captured technology as well as creating new ones was the Enclave. I don’t like the Enclave because they’re stereotypically evil like the Institute but I do have to give them credit, they were good at what they did.
So basically, it's like, "If I can't have, no one can."
Yeah the Brotherhood doesn't have noble intentions, they're just raiders with a uniform.
Another example of Frutiger Aero in video games is everything about the Institue in Fallout 4
To be honest the ending of Fallout 4 upset me greatly like why would anybody want to destroy a state-of-the-art facility it could change the lives of so many but all the factions except the institute want to turn it into a crater do they not realize what they're destroying they're destroying the future you could easily take over the institute all their protection is just a bunch of gen ones and twos and some coursers which to be honest isn't all that deadly one grenade would like blow up half the synths in one go
You can literally sum up the BOS as "If I can't have them NOBODY CAN!"
The thing is, they didn’t really need to. There were like 30 actual threats in there and even then they didn’t have very good training or equipment
I wish the Minutemen took the instute bunker as a second base of operations
Like if they used the spy crows as a commonwealth for a better cause
Hell maybe make Minutemen gen 2 synths
And use the relay so they can truly be there in minutes
Heck they could even make the Castle a power armor depo
Hell they could kill evey super mutant raider gunner death claw and ghoul
And wall off the glowing sea with there unlimited work force of synths
I still think the BOS could’ve done more to spare some scientists and tech. They had some amazing achievements. At the very least they should’ve recruited Virgil to potentially cure super mutants that were once human
Maxson is simply one of the most incompetent leaders who just maxed Charisma and Luck
Maxson's stats
S: 4
P: 1
E: 6
C: 10
I: 0
A: 3
L: 10
@@mochalavender9398elder maxson has a diplomat build
I always wonder why there wasn't a option to TAKEOVER the institute.
Minutemen Takeover institute Under BOS close supervision.
I have never sided with the Brotherhood in fo4 so I had no idea how it ended. 😁
the onlything keeping them from being the worst faction is the Railroad
At least the Railroad has actual morals
@@spicysalad3013 where is the laugh reaction when you need it?
@@Puritan1985 you're joking, right? There's nothing wrong with the railroad except a staggering lack of numbers and a too shortsighted focus on their goals.
Hint: just use a 😂 emoji next time instead of having a stick up your ass lol
To be fair all major factions end up blowing up the Institute, if anything it doesn't make sense for the railroad to destroy it.. If no more synths are being produced eventually they'll all be out of work.
There should have been an alternate ending where the brotherhood and institute form into a bigger faction in order to set them up against the NCR in a future game
to bury it , and bury it very deep , so deep that nobody will find it again , better to destroy every single trace of it even if it could be useful
Maxson: you see that building there?
Prime: whats my prime directive
Maxson: lvl it
"Absolutly dunking on an opponent" fucking killed me
BOS was never just about hoarding tech,they collect them to survive and thrive, that was maxson's goal,but they shifted eventually.
The one Brotherhood guy trying not to cry when nuking the building Liberty Prime’s in:
The Brotherhood is very dogmatic when it comes to this.
They don’t think of the good, they only think of the bad. They are also extremely militaristic and fanatical (they even have their own Brotherhood Youth).
Brotherhood history 101: “some tech is so bad that literally nobody should have it.”
I went with the Minutemen ending where you can keep the Railroad and the Brotherhood alive, but sometimes I think I made the wrong choice. Other than the murdering of wastelanders and the treatment of the Synths I actually liked the Institute more than the Brotherhood of Steel.
The BoS could have used the tech but I think the writers couldn’t fit in the possibility of whatever faction you side with taking over the resources of the Institute. So it falls to us to imagine why the BoS specifically would destroy the facility. The institute was kidnapping, killing and replacing people, really for almost no reason at all. If they needed people on the surface for information collection they could just keep sending coursers and Gen 3 synths without killing and replacing anyone. And then they could have started introducing the new, beneficial tech on the surface. But they never seemed aimed to improve the world. The institute needed to be destroyed, but unfortunately it couldn’t be written in for another faction to take over their facility. In a perfectly written game, the BoS goes in and destroys the institute’s ability to fight, and then absorbs their scientists and continues the research.
And thats why i destroyed the BoS. Destroying something with such potential to restore the sueface is stupid as heck. Ending as the leader of minutemen and the institute has the greatest potential of all.
The brotherhood just doesn’t like when other people have cool toys
"Isn't this a contradiction to the Brotherhood's goals?"
literally yes. In this situation they had no reason to blow up the facility. They've broken in and managed to take control over it. The sheer fact they blew up COUNTLESS pieces of advanced technology with no threat of losing it makes Roger Maxson roll in his grave
No. As mentioned in the video, the Roger Maxon and his comrades, before the BoS was even formed, killed the scientists who were experimenting with FEV. This was completely in-character for the Brotherhood.
I feel like you people don’t even have familiarity with the sources you cite. If you ever gone through the original Maxson holotapes, you can see that the BoS always had a minor anti-intellectual streak.
Maxson not only executes the scientists, he even refers to them as “eggheads”. That reveals a lot about his mindset. At the end of the day, though he’s deified and revered as the founder, he was basically just a really charismatic and brave jarhead. A soldier first.
The Brotherhood’s whole organizational arc can be defined by a conflict and tension between intellectualism and preservation of knowledge/tech vs. anti-intellectualism and restriction of knowledge/tech
This is exemplified by the way Paladins seem to always be bickering and arguing with scribes.
Its still stupid that they blew up the institute because all they needed to do was disable the synth machine and then they would have had a ton of new tech and a pretty secure new lab (after fixing the ceiling). The Vault Dweller single-handedly destroyed Mariposa because it only existed to create FEV mutants, and John Henry Eden’s self destruction is what destroyed Raven Rock. There is literally no good reason for any of the anti-Institute factions to destroy it because the Teleporter tech alone would instantly make all of their jobs easier.
That and Father was just laying in bed when you showed up. He prolly scared them . Bad scientists... .
What I don’t get about the BoS in the commonwealth is that destroying the institute really doesn’t fulfill their original goal because they’ve twisted and perverted it through the years. The Institute was probably the most advanced organization in the wasteland save for the Think Tank of Big MT.
They were self sustaining in virtually every way possible and had technology that could’ve revived the world, but oh no they had robots that looked like people.
The Brotherhood didn’t see any of the other technology, they saw a loaded gun that they couldn’t figure out how to use, so they destroyed it.
It makes sense they’d blow up something they can’t control or don’t have the manpower to occupy but the BoS we see is probably at its most numerous and the institute has one facility dedicated to Gen 3 synth production and that’s it. The rest is simple computers or manufacturing hubs that can be easily cleaned out and repurposed.
Huh never thought about it
Occupying it makes much more sense honestly
Defensible hidden underground base
The point of the brotherhood is to preserve technology, and eliminate those who abuse it, to make sure no apocalypse ever happens again
I think the BoS couldve taken the place over, but Maxson is a lunatic.
I want a fallout game focusing on the brotherhood, imagine a opening similar to how 3 does except we are children born into the brotherhood and trained from children in combat science and technology they could take this so many great places from here.
Each faction you side with blows up the institute even the railroad which makes no since why they would blow it up.
Why wouldn't the Railroad blow it up?
The Institute is everyone's enemy, especially the Synths they are trying to protect.
They aren't trying to create a new society of Synths, they only wanna liberate the Synths who already exist so they can live their lives free.
Further convinced to be apart of the Brotherhood of Steel
Ad Victorium!
I'd say it's because Bethesda is lazy, it would make perfect sense that they would capture the whole institute rather than blowing it up.
That can be said about literally any of the factions in the game. The nuke ending should've been a wildcard-style option in case the player just wants the bad karma ending.
Substitute raven rock for adams airforce base. The president destroyed raven rock.
President Eden destroys Raven Rock if you tell him to. The Brotherhood destroys it otherwise.
I think, if I remember correctly, the brotherhood of steel are largely concerned with the preservation of pre war technology and the concealment of it from people not involved in their faction. The institute has enormously beneficial technology but the BoS don't consider it technology in need of preservation because its not pre war and so can probably just be made again. I think they believe that, because some technology was made pre war, the knowledge and schematics required to make it would also be pre war, hence the need for preservation. Its not necessarily about the importance of the technology, or the beneficial nature of it, perhaps just the time period and the restraints of its construction
Professionals have standards, *not competition*
The real question is why does the minuteman always blow it up? Like I'm the general why don't I get a choice to just take it over
Because we’re not the true General; Preston Garvey is and that’s why he’s always giving us missions or making the big decisions in the end like that one. The Sole Survivor is treated as a figurehead leader.
The Minute Men cannot hold or maintain a facility like the Institute.
These are all farmers with homes they need to get back to eventually, and there aren't enough skilled engineers to prevent the institute from falling to disrepair.
“The brotherhood has never shied away from absolutely dunking on anyone with new tech” so true 😂
The BOS is slowly developing into an enclave 2.0
This is the Bethesda simp answer. Reason is roughly just as, if not more flimsy than nuking Megaton. They wanted the option to set off a nuke because "nukes cool and players want explosions!" but didn't care to actually give a valid reason.
And the brotherhood usually try to avoid new tech they only really modify existing old tech
That's what bothered me. Blowing up something which could literally save the Commonwealth. Would have been much better to have a conquest instead of "bRuH bLoW uP"
The minutemen blow it up too
basically the BoS are just very petty. If they can't have it, no one can.
my problem is the fact that the institute essentially mastered synthetic meat production (as evidenced by the synth gorillas having meat on their corpses as loot) and could focus on feeding the wasteland with synth meat of whatever species, if not just manufacturing the meat without a life attached to it. The institute and/or its technology could 100 percent be used for good if anyone cared enough but noooooooooo big robot make bad place go boom and then no one really benefits
Now I’m not mad at myself for picking the institute to side with. Brotherhood just seems too incompetent to me
I mean, if you think about it. Among 3 main factions, institute seems the most reasonable. BoS are power loving pricks, Rail Road ... is rail road, and institute offers humanity a way to survive. I'm not counting minuteman in because they are neutral and will follow the player regardless of side they chosen to be at.
I think you mean the bos gets dunked on my scavers with 600 year old artillery
I guess that makes since especially since the new Maxson branch is so violent. This justification is completely ignored by Elijah in New Vegas and we saw how an obsessed techno wizard like him turned out
Teleportation, sustainable food production, and a new base of operations would of been extremely useful
The Brotherhood did not blow up the Institute, the Minutemen did.
At least in any proper game.
Are we forgetting that the Railroad and Minutemen also destroy the Institute? Yes, the Brotherhood is far more ruthless with how it kills scientists without mercy, but it performs the same end action with the strongest ideological reasoning.
there should have probably been an option to save some remnant of the institute's technology, but it's more of a high risk/high reward strategy. the brotherhood acted in the name of preventing human extinction/synth replacement so I don't think what they did was unjustified even if it was extreme.
People forget the whole reason they collect tech in the first place is to KEEP IT OUT OF OTHERS HANDS. Not to innovate. Not to improve other peoples lives. So this isn't a contradiction at all.
Hell why would any faction destroy it
BoS-to get tech
MM-to get tech
RR-to save synths
This is a group that has you kill their best soldier simply because he's a synth. Do you think they're exactly rational?
I mean he was a filthy disgusting synth