Sermon: Witnessing to Mormons
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They can witness to me as long as I get equal time.
@@lindalds I'm not anti-Mormon. But I am pro-truth which by necessity makes me anti-falsehood. Which places us in a real chasm.
What would you like to talk about?
@@mr400meter Why does this place us in a real chasm? I am pro-truth, as well. But when it comes to matters of faith, truth seems to be more or less subjective.
What I said, is that if someone wants to witness to me of THEIR faith, I will listen, if I am given equal time to witness of MY faith.
But too many non-LDS Christians seem to think that THEIR faith is a given (truth), and that we LDS should and do accept this, but still stubbornly cling to what our church says we believe (falsehood). They constantly throw these Bible verses at me, as if they were spears, thinking that THIS proves that we are wrong and the LDS church is wrong, and why can't I see that??
But if I were to "stubbornly cling" to what I was taught to believe, I would still be in the United Methodist church. Most people will join the church that most closely believes what they believe. I joined the church that most closely believes what I believe, hence my membership in the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day saints. I've been an active member now for over 40 years, and I have never looked back.
just because your beliefs are a little different from my beliefs does not make my beliefs false. I don't see my Heavenly Father taking anyone who is earnestly and sincerely seeking HIS will in their life, and throwing them into some eternal barbeque pit because they joined the wrong church, denomination or religion.
So, anyway, off my soapbox! Just wanted to clarify what I said. Thanks
To the pastors and members of Apologia church, I just want to let you know how much I appreciate the work that you are doing in your community, in the RUclips community, and in the world.. the work that you all have done through the sermons,and through evangelizing at the mills, Mormon temples, and other places! I'm just so grateful to have had the opportunity to see Truth be displayed in such a powerful way.. Jeff, Zack, Dr White, your style of preaching through CONSTANT CONSISTENT UNMOVING EDUCATION, resonate profoundly with me; I have been looking for teachers of the word who would break down and give true meaning and context to the Word of God. God I have been waiting for this my whole life! I am an ex Catholic (by choice), I have been to many other churches as well and I do not see there the passion or the education that I see in your establishment. I just want you to know regardless of what you see in this crummy RUclips comment section, or any other nasty comments that our lost image bearing brothers hurl at you, please know that you have brought through God love and light that has warmed my heart and rejuvenated my soul. I want to thank you and I pray that others are drawn to God... I pray that all are drawn to God as Jeff told us in scripture, that men are only drawn to Christ by Creator God. God bless all members and Apologia
church for allowing this content, these sermons to be filmed so that people around the world can also have a chance to hear Truth!
@@lindalds Would you agree that you do not believe the First Vision account recorded in the Pearl of Great Price entirely based off of what you said?
I was LDS for 35 yrs. Temple attending, held leadership callings and thought I was so worthy in my garments until my pride brought me to my knees in repentance and I saw a sinner bound in filthy rags in desperate need of a Savior.
I was just like the commenting Mormons on this video. I would do the same thing because Jeffery R. Holland told me to in a General Conference.
When you strip yourself of all your pride and come to the realization that it's not about YOU becoming a god or goddess in the celestial kingdom, it's about the Lord Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross and rose the 3rd day.
"It is finished".
I never understood how God redeemed the world by His very essence putting on flesh as the Son and becoming the perfect sacrifice for the redemption of all mankind.
Now I see it from Genesis through Revelations, everything points Christ's redemption.
That alone broke me. I came completely broken to the cross begging to be forgiven and begging to know Him. I was filled with the Spirit as if every cell was changed.
As a Mormon I could not see this mainly because of all the insane false teachings today by false christian preachers. I thought all Christians were like what Jeff was talking about...fake healers, falling on the floor in spasms etc...so I get it.
I didn't know to test everything by the Word.
So, I understand the comments claiming Jeff is wrong and they are right because I could not see until the blinders came off and I was stripped of my pride and God changed my heart that was surrounded by stones.
Love our Mormon people, they are good people exhausting themselves trying to be worthy.
Christ alone is worthy.
This is a great testimony, do you you witness to Mormons often ? There are so many on Facebook
Such a beautiful testimony❤ praise the Lord for His great mercy and love, and thank you for sharing your story
God bless you! I was in your shoes God took my blinders off also my husband's! praise the lord we are saved 🙌
…after 39 years, I’ve left the LDS church and in a miraculous way, God reached out to me and changed my heart.
Congratulations! God is so good!!! I grew up LDS (but I stopped going at 15 because I got pregnant & felt ashamed) & I’ve been born again for almost 20 years praise the Lord! But it wasn’t until recently that I realized we don’t believe in the same God like I thought we did! So, I’ve been praying for them-my mom & her husband, my sister & her family that God will open their eyes, hearts, minds, etc to be open & search for the true God of the Bible. They live across country so Idk about having these conversations over the phone. Please pray for them as they’re very involved & active in the church! God bless you!
It was this series of messages and interactions uploaded that got me asking real questions, i used to worry more about where a teaching came from than weather it was coherent, I appreciate the content and push to learn more about the bible.
Know Christ first. Know the Scriptures and the Gospel within them. Know what contradicts what they say. Refute with gentleness and respect. Thank you for a crystal clear presentation Jeff Durbin! I think of Schindler toward the end of Schindler's List, sorrowfully saying, "I could have got more-- I could have got more!"
To the pastors and members of Apologia church, I just want to let you know how much I appreciate the work that you are doing in your community, in the RUclips community, and in the world.. the work that you all have done through the sermons,and through evangelizing at the mills, Mormon temples, and other places! I'm just so grateful to have had the opportunity to see Truth be displayed in such a powerful way.. Jeff, Zack, Dr White, your style of preaching through CONSTANT CONSISTENT UNMOVING EDUCATION, resonate profoundly with me; I have been looking for teachers of the word who would break down and give true meaning and context to the Word of God. God I have been waiting for this my whole life! I am an ex Catholic (by choice), I have been to many other churches as well and I do not see there the passion or the education that I see in your establishment. I just want you to know regardless of what you see in this crummy RUclips comment section, or any other nasty comments that our lost image bearing brothers hurl at you, please know that you have brought through God love and light that has warmed my heart and rejuvenated my soul. I want to thank you and I pray that others are drawn to God... I pray that all are drawn to God as Jeff told us in scripture, that men are only drawn to Christ by Creator God. God bless all members and Apologia
church for allowing this content, these sermons to be filmed so that people around the world can also have a chance to hear Truth!
this is so good. what a great gift the Lord gave to this pastor.
Pastor, great message. You are the guy who ,with God's message, got me out of the Mormon church in 2019.Thank you.❤
Congratulations 🎉🎉to you
Glory to God!❤
God Bless you
Churches near here (I listen to many sermons online) preach that evangelizing happens when people see "light" in us - so, that's supposed to make unbelievers ask about signing up to become Christians.
The preaching around here leaves out specifics about what "light" people are supposedly going to ask about. I notice in the Bible that Paul made a bee-line to the synagogues and did have specifics to share.
False prophets exalt themselves, true prophets exalt God
Thanks Paster Jeff
Hi Paster Jeff I hope so day I move to Arizona
And be a part of your church and ministry, live in Ontario and hoping someday I will move with my family to tempe .
LOVE this message! In light of these times we are in, I would love you to do a Revelation series? ;0)
Great sermon. Thank you
Learning so much. Thank you.
I want to personally thank Jeff.for bringing me into the Great and Marvellous Set of Works, known as the Restored Church.
Raised a Baptist, Lutheran and Mennonite, I almost forgot how fanatical those who only have half the truth, fully offer it
"Some want to live within the sound of church or chapel bell; I want to run a rescue shop within a yard of hell." Ct. T. Studd (former British Cricket superstar, turned missionary).
Thank you Pastor Jeff I have learned so much from your teachings. I’m truly thankful to God for him showing you to help me understand his word. I have 1 question why does sinful commercials play in the middle of your sermons???? Shouldn’t they be commercial free??
RUclips creators don't have a choice in many instances. Perhaps educate your yourself instead of insinuating slander.
Also for the orthodox
If people in the new testament believed like this guy, they would have rejected all the teachings from the apostles and prophets because no scripture should come after the old testament, right?
Many were like that but luckily some weren't.
God speaks to His children today through living prophets and apostles. The heavens are not closed. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that there will be no revelation after the Bible.
I am grateful to be a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints. I am grateful for continued revelation from heaven through God's servants on earth, the Prophets. Their direction and wisdom and teaching have helped me over the last 20 years.
Don't be close minded people, turn to God and pray about whether this sermon is true. Ask our Heavenly Father on whether he has Prophets on earth today, ask Him if the heavens are closed or if there is additional scripture from Him today. Ask with a sincere heart, with real intent and He will manifest the truth of it unto you, (James 1:5)
He has talked to man today and has given more instruction and commandments in these turbulent times.
I agree with you that there are many times when Christians are close-minded to the truth God has laid before them, but in this case, the Bible does teach that it is complete and sufficient, no more revelation needed. As Revelation 22:18 says, "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll." I hope I have correctly interpreted what you are saying, and I am sorry if I have not. Have a nice day!
Hello. Do you have anything ( information ) on the RLDS? My daughter-in-laws family is in that particular church. They keep claiming that they are not part of the LDS, but my question to them is why they are attending a church even associated with the LDS?! Please, please, if you have ANY information I would greatly appreciate it. Plus my son is starting to defend the church. Blessings ✝️👍🏽🙏🏽❤️
The RLDS believe that succession was supposed to go on to the descendants of Jospeh Smith instead to the twelve apostles. Because of this they believe that that it is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is in apostasy. Hence they think they are the original church of the restoration. So in their view they would be separate. The Community of Christ is a church that came from RLDS, but they eventually denounced the Book of Mormon as canon of scripture since they needed a loan and part of getting that loan required a denunciation of the Book of Mormon. I don’t know what group your in laws belong to. I suppose they might just refer to it as RLDS, but I don’t think they are united.
RLSD is a break off of the first part of the church started by Joseph Smith there is a lot of break off 's of the church some still practice polygamy I was brought up in the LDS faith and it was great as a kid because all your friends went to church it was like a club house the boy scouts and everything like that. I pretty much left the church after my early 20 and never went to church for 50 years when you go into a lot of Mormon church it is hard to find even a picture of Jesus and my daughter was married in the LDS church and my wife and I could not attend the wedding and that was they day I relisted it was the wrong church .I am 70 years old and started going with my wife to the Catholic church and that was the greatest spiritual move in my life and have not missed a day of church since I converted.
They believe the prophet line was only thru Joseph Smith. They don't claim main line LDS. Keep going back to the Bible. Keep praying and Trusting Jesus. Asking questions what they believe is always good idea.
It is no longer about who is considered right and who is considered wrong. God will sort that out. Our responsibility is to try to live by upright values and defend all people's right to peaceful practice of their religion or belief system. If one group loses their ability to peacefully practice their beliefs, the next group could lose their ability as well.
Gods word will endure forever! Amen!! "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." "They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind." I have 100 more Bible passages that completely contradict Calvinism.
Who calls upon the names of the Lord?
@@justinpastrana1702 the elect lol
@@justinpastrana1702 Anyone who receives him.
41:38 “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; And lean not unto thine OWN understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and HE shall direct thy paths.”
- Proverbs 3:5-6
44:05 “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will hold to the one and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”
- Matthew 6:24
These are some of the verses that helped me to discover the Book of Mormon is true. I trusted in God and he directed my paths.
@@KnuttyEntertainment you don't trust God you are told to hate God. Godless as you are. Bom is proved false and those are facts Lord Jehovah Father who is God alone by word "god" alone. And his son Jesus tell you again and again that bom is false. If you believed bom as you say which you don't your ass made up "prison and paradise" and "kolob" and Satanism up front for you goes in trash immediately bom gets itself at least more from Bible unlike latter satanic Smith deviations or made up opinions from his occultist world full delusions.
Bom says literal heaven and hell and original sin doctrine and trinity up front not hiding and not upside down and crazier than any Bible trinity or Christian creed could. And there go and more.
@@KnuttyEntertainment
Jeremiah 17:9-10
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Matthew 15:19
“For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:”
Give your heart to the lord
@@amustardseed6748 I did give my heart to the lord. These verses only support your position over mine if you have a confirmation bias. I believe in those verses just as much as you do.
@@KnuttyEntertainmentIt’s been a year, but there is STILL the issue of Joseph Smith, who mocked God openly, by claiming things for himself that God would never promise anyone, and in the process, abused the affection of his wife by having sexual relations with many women, and using revelation from God to Justify it. Look up D&C 132. It’s STILL part of the LDS canon of scripture.
The Book of Abraham facsimiles are proven falsehoods.
If Joseph Smith lied about the two above things, what’s else did he lie about? Based on those lies alone, how can anyone accept the Book of Mormon as actual scripture? So much of the BoM is lifted from the Bible IN ADDITION to the direct quotes from Isaiah and Matthew.
What would have happened to Adam and Eve if they hadn’t partaken of the fruit?
It’s a good question. I can only say for sure that they would have stayed as they were in a state of innocence, having no children and not knowing good from evil.
This is mere guesswork, but I would suppose that God would eventually tell them that they were ready and the time had come to eat the fruit, what would happen from there, I am unsure. Whether they would “fall” and how that fall would differ from the fall we have, I don’t know.
If they did not sin, could they die, or could they simply choose to die like Jesus did? Jesus was perfect, but could still die. Because if you can’t die, you can’t be resurrected into a spiritual body. For it is the spirit that sanctifies the flesh, and if the spirit and flesh cannot be separated-even momentarily-so the one can sanctify the other, then the body cannot be made perfect like Christ’s resurrected body was perfect, or so I’ve been told.
How would their ability to have children be affected? Are their immortal bodies capable of having children, or would they have to be made mortal, or semi-mortal where they could choose to die? Would their children inherit their immortality or their knowledge of good and evil, or would they be innocent as well, having to wait for the proper time to eat the fruit like their parents?
There are so many questions, and very few answers.
I love the sound of little childrens in the background ❤ ✝ , future leaders (only if they are of the elect for sure)
I’ve been witnessing to mormons for a through months now but man they are not very open people may the lord soften there hearts to see the glory and majesty of God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ Amen 🙏
@@thekolobsociety I haven’t decided yet but I do believe God can harden hearts but I also believe that people are stubborn and God doesn’t necessarily cause that.
@@thekolobsociety this is probably the best evidence for Calvinism.
“So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?”
Romans 9:18-21
It's not just Mormons. All unregenerate people are enemies of God and naturally reject Him and His Word. That's why each person who repents and believes is a miraculous work of God, because only He can so radically change a sinner's heart.
@@douglasmcnay644 yes amen but they say that’s foolish to think you can just believe and be saved they don’t get that it’s the grace of God we are saved.
If it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.”
Romans 11:6
Off topic what’s your view on video games as a believer an felt pushed to ask
Thank you for this. It was a blessing to me and my family. God bless all you do 🙏🏻
Such a good message, thank you.
If DrOakley doesn't want people chatting during sermons , maybe you guys should disable the chat..
Super grateful that I can watch this content.
My state has .4% Mormon population & they are no where near me. When is the Matthew series resuming?
32:36 "This goes across the board. I said at the beginning of service today what we're talking about here with ministering to the Mormons, it's not just to the Mormons; it's really of the foundational issue of all of life."
@@wishuhadmyname born again Mormon here my friend. I’ve come a
Long way but while I don’t see eye to eye on all your beliefs I’m starting to understand your perspective a little better. Can a Christian attend Mormon meetings because of heritage, culture and community still be born again?
Thank you for showing us what it is to be a good and faithful servant. Your such a righteous trouble maker!!
Where does your income come from? Does your congregation pay for your lifestyle?
Also what’s the good news?
What an excellent sermon. Thank you, Jeff.
Jesus Christ said: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life." In point, they clung to their scriptures, rejecting God who stood before them.
Breaking news: Church gatherings are not the place for evangelism. It's actually a meeting of believers who have already been evangelized. How about that? Durbin saying out loud.
Couldn't agree more about the similarities between JWs, LDS, and Roman Catholicism. Thanks, Jeff!
Did u ever ask yourself "what if mormons are actually right though ?"
Their Accusatory Fog blinds them from seeking the Fullness of Truths pertaining to the Divine Order.
@@KaiserSoze-us9ji mormons ?
@@oscarduke7946 ...The Gospels have been Restored in their Fullness.
@@KaiserSoze-us9ji yes by Joseph smith
When you’re talking about traditions and religious claims what about Easter and Christmas? in the Bible it doesn’t say to celebrate these days. This is a genuine question that I struggle with.
Which religion are true?because many religions are not true according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1.
Paul says for us to test the spirits for many false prophets are gone out into the world. Ask yourself does this pastor remind you of the Lord? Does he have the Holy Ghost? I think you know the answer.
I’m a Latter Day Saint of the Church of Jesus Christ.
Witness to me as you wish.
How much of the video did you watch? Did you agree with any of it? What was your favorite part?
i witness that the church of jesus christ is the true one church of jesus christ
@@bryanpratt5850 I made the comment before watching the video. I’ve seen several of Apologia’s other videos though, including a lot of the ones on Latter Day Saints. The recent debate on Sola Scriptura was pretty alright.
@@lou0kang Thou hast spoken well.
I was in a cult for the first 40 years of my life, it was also the one true church. I challenge you, with an open mind to put every doctrine you were ever taught to the test.
How about exposing it's evil in Palmyra not just nauvoo at the end of his.
❤ 15:20
How can I contact you brother? I want to join
So glad Im a atheist.
Why?
@@millball I dont have to deal with mythological nonsense.
@@quint2857 and yet, here you are.
You're not an Atheist. Atheist literally means "No God." In order for you to know there is no God you would have to know all there is to know, which ironically, would make you God, by definition.
You are an "Agnostic" which means "No Knowledge" (of God).
God exists in the part of knowledge you do not yet possess.
So the question is do you WANT to know what you don't know?
I would say the reason Agnostics can't find God is the same reason a burglar can't find a police officer. He doesn't really want to!
Do YOU want to find God or not?
@@BryceisBAG Yup.
Amen Hallelujah Jesus Christ is King of kings Lord of Lords 🙌👏🏻🙏👑
When it comes to sola scriptura nad faith only issues here is well put together catholic perspective:
ruclips.net/video/06ofR3bPsfM/видео.html
Apart from that your ministry is very inspiring to me. I will strive to learn my theology properly and also arguments of different groups of people so that I can witness to others in coherent and apt manner. It is so important. If Christians haven´t witnessed to me I would be still in new age dharmic mixture of mushy mush.
It is not stressed enough in our churches. Also it is inspiring to see preacher who walks his talks. Especially on issues of abortion.
When I heard people arguing about it in the past I always thought: if you are pro-life, don´t scream at women, adopt children, start organizations where pregnant women can find support... If you are pro-choice, don´t scream at women, do something - help change system so that young girls can feel they have choice and abortion is not their only option...
But it is important to talk about it. And seeing combination of both is beautiful.
I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS. Thanks for the sermon. I happy to announce here that I’m not a Christian by Pastor Jeff’s definition. I do follow the “Mormon” Jesus. I’ve found happiness and purpose by following my Jesus’s example for me. Loving other. Striving for the gift of Charity. Falling short of my Saviors example and getting up and striving again to learn to walk in his ways. I’m sorry we can’t draw closer because of our differences but I can strive to be kind to everyone. Thanks for giving me a place to express my love for my Jesus and I wish all of you luck as you walk the path to find your Jesus.
'His Jesus" is our Jesus ! The Jesus of the Bible that was not the "brother of Satan" he never "visited the Americas" and was not "created" Deuteronomy 4:2 Proverbs 30:6
Repent and believe we love you and don't want you to go in the grave without Christ God loves you so much and wants you free from the cult you're in ❤
@Human Being in the chat channel says, "Please leave my (Mormon) friends alone."
1) Our Lord Jesus Christ tells us not to.
2) Why don't you tell your Mormon friends to "Leave Christians alone." It seems like a double standard.
MORmONS are large hypocrites and their lies and word twisting is clear on that. So don't stop preaching to Mormons and convert all them put of darkness.
These religious dudes are funny. “She’s a witch! Style sermons.
I believe in the Bible
I believe in the Book of Mormon
Both bring me closer to Christ.
Its truthfulness has been born to me by the Holy Ghost.
People!
You do not need paid pastors to tell you how to find truth.
They are just men and want to control what to believe.
In the Church of Jesus Christ we are constantly told to ask God for ourselves.
If any of you lack wisdom “ Ask God”
I promise
God Promises
You don’t need these people to tell you how to believe or interpret the scriptures.
Or you may decide this guy is correct.
That’s up to you!
What does Holy Unction mean? What does Crismation mean? What does Santus Oranz mean? What does Santus Gamos mean? What does Yad va Shem mean? Why do not modern so Called Christian not practice these rites which early Christians did? why does this preacher mock these holy rites and claim to be of the Lord?
We note no one can answer my questions about early Christian rites. It is clear this preacher has no understanding of what Christians believe.
Jesus wanted me to give a message to everyone when I was with him.It is all in my book, but I do not have a platform to tell everyone.
"..this church(the church of jesus christ of latter day saint ) and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and..." D&C 1:30.Revelation given by Jesus christ to joseph smith the prophet in ohio on 1st September 1831.
Paul is not trinity he is Unity Christian and theist true pure monotheism.
Who says Paul is a trinity?
@@gregb6469 Paul is not trinity sayer. Even he nay says to trinity and kullltttss.
Paul was unitary himself.
Horrible -gain the whole world and lose his soul. So much evil is allowed to continue because people are afraid to lose their family. But Jesus said that if you don't hate mother brother and if you don't love me more than them then you are not worthy
Pastor Jeff is simply wrong. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Think about it, the very church he preaches from does not carry the name of Jesus Christ. Yet he condemns people who belong to the church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints and says we don't believe in christ. Please people open your eyes to the truth. Did you know that in Joseph smiths time, there was not a church in the land that bore the name of Jesus Christ. Zero!!! Do your own research about it, its true. There was no church with the name of Jesus Christ until Joseph smith restored the true church in 1830. That bares the name of christ. Now, think about that!!! "
The Book of mormon is a true testimony of Jesus Christ. Of the 6000+ verses it refers to Jesus Christ over 4000 times. The Book of mormon is obsessed with Christ.
TRUE OR FALSE? "Therefore repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus, and lay hold upon the gospel of christ... it so be that ye believe in christ and are baptized, first with water, then with fire and with the holy ghost, FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE OF OUR SAVIOR, according to that which he hath commanded us, it shall be well with you in the day of judgement. " mormon 7:8, 10 (acts 2:38, acts 19:4-5, 1 Peter 2:21, John 13:15, John 3:5, John 1 :26, 31-34) after reading these bible verses is mormon 7: 8, 10 true or false?
Only looking for a true or false answer.
Every lie has a little truth in it. Why not answer the lack of need to restore the church.
Born & raised Mormon….but Praise God, he helped me see the truth & now I am a Bible believing, Bible loving Born Again Christian, Praise Jesus!🙏🕊️🤍✝️
God is so Great! ♥️💪
Bottom line, we ALL must discern any and all teachings that are contrary to the Bible and pray about it.🙏🕊️
Mormons, if you “sincerely” and I do emphasize the word “sincerely,” want to know the truth, do your research & have an in-depth study of Mormon History, I PROMISE you it will open your eyes & wake you up to the truth, that is if you are truly seeking truth. Use your discernment, God will speak to you.
We should question or research claimed & supposed truths, we should ALL be critical thinkers, and think for ourselves, and YES, it is OK to investigate our own beliefs, just to make sure we have not been deceived. It is ok to question things & it’s absolutely critical to “sincerely” pray about it & use our God given gift of discernment, because the “truth” has absolutely NOTHING to hide, and nothing to be afraid of. Praise Jesus for that!🙏🕊️🤍✝️💪
J Reuben Clark said “If we (the LDS Church) have truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not truth, it ought to be harmed.”🤔
Jesus said “Those who have eyes WILL see, and those who have ears WILL hear.” he also said “By their FRUITS ye SHALL know them”. I’m telling you right now, if you look deep into the fruits of this church and its roots, you will either be completely shocked by it & want to verify its validity, or flat out deny it, despite any evidence supporting it or not care either way because you are complacent where you’re at and don’t really care about the truth.
I do believe this is why Jesus said that those who have eyes WILL see (the truth) & those who have ears WILL hear (the truth) If you are SINCERELY seeking truth, you WILL find it. The Bible says to test the spirits, and also Jesus saying “By their fruits you, shall know them”.
There are way too many lies and deceptions with the “founder” Joseph Smith and his history, and how he manipulated the members for his own personal gain, that alone should be a HUGE RED FLAG 🚩to ALL members and investigators…. I’m just saying.😬
Also, if you look deep enough into the history, you will know in the “History of the Church” books, written by Joseph Smith himself, he actually boasted that he was better than Jesus… 😱 If that doesn’t fire off feelings of “concern” or give you a red flag, I’m honestly not sure anything will.😔 There’s a reason why they stopped publishing those books by the way.🤔 It’s called generational whitewashing.
Ephesians 2:8,9 “For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that NOT of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God. NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.🤔 ???Hmmm, that’s weird, sounds EXACTLY like what Joseph did.😬😳Mormons also believe heavily, that we are saved by our “works”, which is a 💯 FALSE TEACHING, it is NOT Biblical, in fact the Holy Bible Says the EXACT opposite, in fact The Bible literally WARNS us of doing this!!! Mormons, PLEASE Read your Bible! 🙏😔💔
If we are not teachable or open minded to other possible truths & are much too prideful, sadly one will not be able to be free from cultish religions & indoctrinations & sadly will remain imprisoned to them.😔 This is the indoctrination this church does to its members, it goes so deep.😔
We must continue to pray for these members, really everyone that are lost because there are so many that really do want to give their life to Jesus, but are being spiritually deceived, trapped, blinded & imprisoned & they don’t even know it.
…..and unfortunately some that are much too arrogant & prideful & insist on remaining a slave to it, they do not want to hear truth, they are terrified of it. It is truly sad to witness.😓
I guess the most important thing to have is a deep connection and relationship with the God of the Bible and the true Jesus Christ of the Bible. That’s ultimately what really matters, and if this religion helps some people do that, then wonderful.♥️ But please remember what Jesus spoke to his apostles in Matthew 19:29… “And everyone that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”
I’m going to leave you with this, Revelations 22:18,19. Please Pray about it & ask God for discernment.🙏😉🕊️🤍✝️👍
Please remember that God is the same today, tomorrow and forever… he is NOT a “conforming” God, he does not change. We are NOT saved by our “works”, we are SAVED by GRACE, through faith in Jesus Christ, we are saved by what Jesus Christ did on the cross for us, NOT by what we “do” and YES, JESUS IS ENOUGH.🙏🥹♥️💪 to think otherwise, and to think that we are saved by our own personal works, discounts and discredits what Jesus did for us. The Bible IS the word of God and we should never add to it, or change it, or take away from it. Revelations WARNS us that if we do, our name will be TAKEN OUT of Book of Life!😱 I encourage you to read the Holy Bible as a little child and study it, by doing this myself I have found so much peace , love & understanding and have felt God’s love & presence more than I ever have in my entire life. It is truly a gift, and it is truly amazing!🥹🕊️✝️🤍
Remember REVELATIONS 22:18, 19.
Stay Jesus Strong! Much love to you all. God Bless🕊️🤍🙏✝️
@alohaangel1111 you know what... I'm happy for you. Good for you!! The LDS religion is not for everyone. As long as you are happy and at peace with your new religion, IS AWESOME. everyone deserves happiness and peace. God bless!!
The Book of Mormon is a 19th century fairy tale written by a con man, a fraud, an occultist, a sexual predator and a racist.
Paul said: test the spirits for many false prophets have gone out into the world. What spirit would you say that Jeff has? Does he remind you of the Lord? Does he have the Holy Spirit? The answer is no.
Jeff is amazing with witnessing to Mormons, until he tells everyone that he’s a 5 point Calvinist and your evangelism absolutely doesn’t matter, because God already predestined your possible demise, no matter how perfect you are.
Jeff is amazing. When I watch him witnessing to Mormons, it's a trip how he knows just what to say next, just what Bible passage applies, and his knowledge of THEIR false writings, beyond what even they know. BUT, it's too bad that Jeff himself is deceived by John Calvin. He totally has it wrong. Calvin taught that all sin is ordained and caused by God. REPENT, Jeff. We love you, and we pray for you to see the light that Calvinism is of Satan.
if the church did not go into apostasy then the Greek orthodox church must be the true church. therefore the- protestant churches cannot be the true church. anytime a protestant minister want to discuss the real gospel I will be willing to discuss it if they can be honest.
The true, original church was started by Peter in Jerusalem ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven. We know exactly what they taught and believed by reading the New Testament.
why are there so many churches with differences in doctrines? why do they have so many different rites? What did Jesus teach after his resurrection for 40 days. days?
@henochparks Every church, except cults, in the United States worships the true and living God, the Creator of heaven and earth.
The LDS church worships an 'exalted man' from another planet that lives near a star named Kolob and practices polygamy.
@henochparks We know what Jesus Christ preached before his crucifixion. Mark 1:14-15
We know what Paul preached.
Acts 20:20-21
Jesus Christ said to go into all the world and preach the gospel. The gospel is in I Corinthians 15:1-4.
Does your church preach the same gospel, or do they preach another gospel?
@henochparks Most churches disagree on church government, the type of music, going to war or not, how to interpret the book of Revelation, eternal security, infant vs. believers baptism, and other smaller issues.
There is only one gospel.
(I Corinthians 15)
There is only one Christ, who claimed to be God.
Baptism and communion are the only two ordinances: baptism and communion/The Lord's Supper.
Roman Catholics are not considered Christian.
On the one hand, the Church of Jesus Christ LDS is going about its business, with Missionaries going two by two, sharing their beliefs. On the other hand, there are all kinds of people criticizing the Church. What's wrong with this picture? The Church's critics criticize everything about it. They criticize Joseph Smith, other Church leaders, the golden plates, Smiths first vision, the BOM, all other Church doctrine, the Temples, the ordinances and so on. They load up gotcha's to entrap the young Missionaries and lure them into debate. Yet the Church perseveres, while its critics call it an enemy to God. It is succinctly petty to overlook all the good the Church accomplishes, and look instead at perceived faults.
It perseveres because the deceived uphold it.
What did Barnum/Bailey say. Something like a sucker is born every minute. I just listened to Brigham Young 1852 speech it was everything I could do to not vomit. Racist turned Utah into a slave state. What a prophet. People of dark skin are uncouth slow just blah blah blah. No man of God would say that . 55 wives I am sure they were all little old ladies. Absolutely trash of a cult
EVERYONE, Watch “Elder Micah Wilders Testimony” of his mission! Without a doubt THE MOST heart warming testimonies of Jesus Christ & becoming “BORN AGAIN” that I’ve honestly EVER heard & I mean that! Absolutely BEAUTIFUL! This is a TRUE Man of God! ♥️💪🙏 Truly a Powerful & Touching Testimony. Wow! ♥️
Jeff, You could replace your entire post with Islam and Muhammad, the vision given to Muhammad by Gabriel. Islam is still a part of our world, and by your logic, it is every bit as "true" as Mormonism is.
@@MattTheBandGuy "eff, You could replace your entire post with Islam"
My post was in reference to bible based religion that calls itself Christian, and whose members criticize the Church of Jesus Christ LDS. To compare it to Islam is kinda silly for obvious reasons. Not to mention that doing so is no defense or validation of traditional bible based religion. It is precisely because the tradition of Christianity is a counterfeit of the truth, that God restored his true Church thru Joseph Smith.
Is this the center of your religion? Hammering the LDS? It must be very uplifting to your soul listening to this sermons. Imagine always hating & pretend to care, it can make us ill, ill-tempered, ill-at ease, etc. All of God’s mysteries cannot be revealed in this life, we learn precept upon precept if we’re humble, teachable & true seekers of truth. This guy has anger in his heart.
Shocking that’s what you got from this. This has given me so much hope. I didn’t get hate from this, this shows so so much deep love and concern. If you were living a lie and someone knew the truth wouldn’t you want to hear?
True Christians worship God in the SPIRIT, not in the dead letter.
Satan took the old covenant, mixed it with the new covenant making another covenant saying that the bible is the word of God.
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are under the OLD Covenant.
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise, it is of no strength at all while the testator lives.
When Jesus was not yet crucified in MT, MK, LK and JN, He was going about fulfilling the law.
All scripture is/(was) given by inspiration was talking about the Old Covenant and it was only profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction not for salvation.
The bible was interpolated, words were erroneously added according to the mind of the translator.
The scriptures are not profitable for salvation, only for knowledge.
The saints under the Old Covenant slept in the grave until Jesus was crucified, then the vail was rent in twain and many of the old saints rose from the grave.
Paul told Timothy ‘Stir up the gift of God in you Timothy’
And ‘neglect not the gift of God in you Timothy’
But all that bible worshipers can see is “all scripture was given by inspiration of God”.
They search the scriptures for in them they THINK they have eternal life but they never come to the Living Christ that they might actually have life. (John 5:39-40)
Bible worshipers are covenant breakers.
IS THE BIBLE GOD’S WORD? NO!
When Jesus/Yeshua speaks a word, it is Spirit and it is Life.
Jesus can say “peace be still” and the wind will stop blowing.
When the words Jesus spoke are written down in a book that Satan is using, then the bible becomes the word of Satan.
So, in reality the bible has become the word of the devil.
The devil had two evil rulers compile and authorize the bible to usurp God’s authority for his own use.
Constantine the sun-god worshiper had it compiled and his wicked bishops determined which books were allowed in it.
Then King James the 2nd beast 66 book authorized version is used by the devil to control and keep people out of the control of God through the Holy Spirit.
An image of God’s word made to speak “the bible says”
The gospel is not written with ink, but by the Spirit of the Living God.
There are 45,000 different bible denominations all full of evil and confusion. And 2.6 billion bible worshiping sinners.
The bible has become the word of Satan because Satan uses it to keep people from coming to the Living Christ, they keep looking for Him in the dead letter instead of in the Spirit where He can actually be found.
Ask Jesus Yeshua for the Holy Spirit and quit looking to the bible so you can overcome the mark of the beast.
Then when you do read the bible, read it only as history because that is all it is.
THE BIBLE IS SATAN’S WORD
THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST
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Thanks for presenting the two scholars, very professional, and convincing , I’m convinced!🙄
Let me get this straight. You’re attacking the Bible for being the mark of the beast. But where did you get the idea of the mark of the beast from? I’m afraid that you’re destroying your own foundation.
@@slytheguy6761 Because it's just history. You can actually know Jesus before you check out. JESUS SAID THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST. The Bible doesn't tell you what the mark the beast is, does it. Maybe you shouldn't turn to God. The Bible doesn't tell you the way, proof of this is 41,000 different denominations all calling each other liars, all 41000 different denominations are deeply confused. Christ is NOT divided. Those who divide the body of Christ are in sin and living after the flesh.
After Jesus was raised from the dead, He sent the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then Constantine commissioned the first fifty bibles to be compiled on fine velum for his roman bishops. In 1611 King James authorized his version of the bible which now has 66 books. These bibles were compiled and authorized by two beast kings into an idol to usurp authority over the people in the guise of Christianity. Which is an abomination of desolation all over again. They use the bible to replace the Holy Spirit and the voice of Jesus Christ.
When Jesus speaks a word, it is Spirit and it is life, but after His word is spoken and quoted by someone else without the Holy Spirit then it has nothing to do with Jesus. THE APOSTLES PREACHED THE GOSPEL BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
This is the way Jesus controls His people, by His voice and by the Holy Spirit. None of the words in the bible are to us today, although the everlasting covenant is the same, and some of the prophecies are yet to be fulfilled, but we do not have it by claiming scriptures. The scriptures were to the people that it was spoken to 2000 years ago that had the Holy Spirit. So read it as history, but not for faith to you or authority from God to you. You must hear His voice to you today by the Spirit of the Living God and not steal the words of others from the past. Our bodies are the temple of the Living God when Christ is in us. No one can truthfully say that Jesus is their Lord except by the Holy Spirit, not by the bible. Satan has deceived the world by making them think that the bible is the word of God to them and that they have what it says, when it is a dead letter not written to them at all.
SATAN HAS DECEIVED THE WORLD BY MAKING THEM THINK THAT THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD TO THEM AND THAT THEY HAVE WHAT IT SAYS, WHEN IT IS A DEAD LETTER NOT WRITTEN TO THEM AT ALL.
The Bible IS NOT SALVATION every man needs to work out his own salvation. Let Jesus make your way home. The Baptist church can't do that, the catholics can't do that, the 41,000 other different denominations can't do that. Your pasture is not God. QUIT looking upon men for a way home. You can actually know him before you check out.
The bible gives men control over their god. They open the bible when they want, and make it say what they want. Men with the Holy Ghost are controlled by God; they have to wait on God.
When you serve the bible as the word of God you have taken the mark of the beast you need the Holy Spirit to overcome it, be controlled by God, NOT a book. It's ok to read the bible as history. It's ok to use it as a reference, just don't let it have authority over you
@@JeremiahIsacc Bruh stay away from the aerosols!🤦♂️
Wait so what is your views are you for Jesus or not. And you sound little bit like messianist restorer I'm not sure what do you mean. Do you believe Jesus or not.
I used to love Pastor Jeff, then he disrespected Hayden Christenson in Star Wars 😂 you can do better sir 😅
Lol
I'm 💯 believe that Joseph Smith is the prophet of the restoration. He is the true prophet of God.
You sir are lost. Read the New Testament!
@@susankorth3090 I did read the new testament, so what is your point?
I guess you are unfamiliar of the kingdom promises in both the Old and New Testament that make it clear the kingdom would never be destroyed.
And I 💯 believe Joseph Smith was a narcissistic cult leader who cheated multiple times with his wife, using "revelation from God" to justify his dalliances.
You are brainwashed if you believe the Mormon Cult Church is true
I had a thought today
Evangelicals actually make Isaiah a false prophet
If they believe that the verse Isaiah 40:8 means that God’s word (read; Biblical texts) cannot be lost
Than Isaiah becomes a false prophet simply on account of the many lost books mentioned in The Bible itself
Missing or lost scripture referenced in the Bible:
- Book of Enoch (Jude 1:14)
- Second Epistle to the Ephesians (Ephesians 3:3)
- Epistle to the Laodiceans (Colossians 4:16)
- Previous Epistle to Corinthians (1 Corinthians 5:9)
- Previous book/Epistle from Jude (Jude 1:3)
- Sayings of the Seers (2 Chronicles 33:19)
- Book of Jehu (2 Chronicles 20:34)
- Book of Nathan (2 Chronicles 9:29)
- Hidden Book of Samuel (1 Samuel 10:25)
- Book of the Wars of the Lord (Numbers 21:14)
- Acts of Uzziah (2 Chronicles 26:22)
- Book of Jasher (Joshua 10:13)
- Book of the Acts of Solomon (1 Kings 11:41)
- Book of Gad (1 Chronicles 29:29, also references Book of Nathan again)
- Book of the Covenant (Exodus 24:7)
- Books of Shemaiah and Iddo (2 Chronicles 12:15)
If I took that position, I would also have to agree Paul’s reference to pagan poets in Titus 1:12 or Acts 17:27-28. is literally inspired. References to other works in Scripture does not mean the works referenced are scripture.
Those references are not scripture. The Jews would have rejected that as well.
Those aren't even books.
Apocryphal texts refute moron position equally as much. Do you accept Quran ? Do you accept jw handouts ? Do accept dianetcs ? Those claim to be the newer better books in correction to your bom fraud.
The documents you list were never part of the Bible.
@@gregb6469 correct I said it several times to moronists that even apocryphal texts expose moronism as does talmud and even quran.
This is kind of a joke to me Mormons have already come to Christ and they actually live a christ-like life and not just talk about it on Sundays as most Christian denominations do.
It can be a “joke” to you but Mormons believe in a different Christ and a different gospel.
Galatians 1:8
New King James Version
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be [a]accursed.
If Mormons do not believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth the 2nd person of the one and only triune God you do not have saving faith. Christ preached one gospel and one gospel alone so if Joseph smith has this very same encounter with an angel that Paul wrote about then is he wrong? Is God wrong or is your man made religion wrong? You see you cant say you are a Christ-ian yet change what He said, there’s no sprinkling Jesus into your life where it’s convenient now to give your life to Christ is to die to one’s self daily not out of need or obligation but out of want because we understand that Jesus paid what I could never pay and He stopped me from an eternal doom.
You talk about other denominations as if Mormonism is a denomination which it isn’t because you have different beliefs Protestant Christian’s differ on secondary issues but not primary which is why they’re different denominations but you who preach an entire different gospel are in fact not Christians period.
Jesus isn’t Spirit brothers with Lucifer.
We’re saved by grace through faith lest any man should boast (not after everything that you can do)
We will not become gods one day if we life a godly life.
The only "joke" is the Mormon Cult Church and you who believe the bullshit of the church and the church leaders.
It’s apparent by your comment that you don’t read God‘s word or haven’t read God‘s word, the Bible. If you have, you would know and understand what Jeff is talking about. Over 90% of Mormons I’ve talked to, including my own family, don’t read or know the Bible. Tragic.
@poolguykp1990 I'm 25, got lds baptized last year. Most of the people I know in the church. Know the Bible well, and a wee bit more than people I fellowship with at other denominational churches
Wow you are clueless
Jeff should cover his tattoos when his on the altar. The altar is a Holy place and should be respected.
You should not worry about his tattoos and listen carefully to his preaching.
The difference between these apologia people and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is that the apologia people believe they are here to judge members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and to tell them they worship a different Jesus Christ, whereas, we members of the Church of Jesus Christ worship the Jesus Christ who said, Judge not. If apologia people want to worship a being who tells them to judge their fellow man, we have freedom of religion here in the United States. They are free to be judges of their fellow man. We believe all judgment was given to Jesus Christ. John 2:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.
this preacher does not believe Jesus is the Son of God. Mormons do.
I'm listening to you now and you fail to make any distinction between official "Mormon Church" doctrine and common "Mormon" beliefs. Perhaps you don't know and that's not your fault, but it is a fault common to all Evangelicals, to always be telling us what we believe and what our church says. Stop that.
Another thing....
You can bring-up and bash all the Bible verses you want but for every one there is another verse which teaches an opposing point of view. Your interpretation is therefore your own and not the ultimate "last word." It's presumptuous and arrogant of you to assume that your interpretation is the only interpretation.
If this were not true, there wouldn't be so many different sects of Christianity (and all reading the Bible.)
One of the most devastating things I ever hear is when a Latter-day Saint forgets their covenant path and decides to abandon the faith. A lot of times they abandon Christ. The only main reason members leave the Church is because of fear. Fear they cant make it, fear they are missing out on life for no reason, fear that they are deceived. Fear is never from God. No Church has more truth than the Church of Jesus Christ. No Gospel has the fullness than that given to the earth by our Lord Jesus Christ. If members dont want to join you, it is because they are strong in their covenants to God, they know they are literal Children of God, and other churches could never offer anything close to what is written in the Bible than Christs Church. You think we need to contend with you on that. Contention is of the devil. The real enemy is out there tearing families apart and making girls think they're boys and that stuff. The Church of Jesus Christ is the best weapon you have, dont contend with Christ. He will say to you in the last days, I never knew you if you do.
Look at scripture the bible says that the fear of God is the being of wisdom and the fear that they are following a false gospel is a good thing
The most devastating things is when you are fooled by your religion…Mormonism, that tells its members to be honest to their fellow man, however LIES throughout history about the church & the Book of Mormon =🎩 & 🪨 and everything else about Joseph’s Myth. He was and always will be a 👉FRAUD 👈 most Mormons don’t have the courage to look outside the box, because Mormonism scare tactics is you’re going to lose so much. I lost a false religion that preached a different Jesus (brother of Satan) and gained the biblical Christ that Mormonism lacks! The Mormon church is losing members faster now than ever before because of the deep deception of historical lies!
1 Corinthians 1:18
God bless those that leave Mormonism to find the Biblical Christ!
@@timbatdorff1165 Here is what scripture says, “For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.” 2 Timothy 1:7. You mistake fear of God as the fear of being wrong. They are soooo not the same thing. Fear of God is having respect for God's word and seeking to honor Him. Fear of being wrong is fearing man's opinion over God's. When a person questions their faith and fear is introduced, you should know swiftly that God is not involved in your heart. If you manage to convince LDS they have a false gospel and need to follow your opinion of who God is or else they will go to Hell, your weapon of fear is from the devil not of God. It comes from pride that you are right and everyone else is wrong and will burn. The true Gospel of Jesus Christ does NOT teach this. We teach everyone has an opportunity to become perfect as The Father is Perfect. Because God loves us, he will give us a time to repent even after death. This is the God of Love taught in the Bible, not from your opinion.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 wow! I’ve been trying to get this across to people and not doing a very good job.
Thank you!
I did not leave out of fear. I left because the Mormon Church did not hold up to its truth claims.
1. Is there more than one god? allah, ahura mazda, baal, yahweh, buddah?
2. Did the god you believe in create the universe, and everything in it?
3. Is your god omniscient and omnipotent?
If yes, why is there any need for prayer, churches, books, signs, angels, miracles, prophets or rituals?
The god already knows everything in your mind, perpetually witnesses everything that occurs and has control over everything. What kind of a being would instead require begging, groveling, sacrifice and suffering, demand constant praise and unquestioning obedience? That is the definition of a narcissist sociopath.
4. Is your god infallible? If your god is incapable of making a mistake, the flaws in humanity and the world are intentional. If intentional, this makes the god malicious and unworthy of being loved or worshiped.
5. Is your god omnipotent? If so, it cannot be argued that the purpose of suffering is to learn and grow, since the god had the power to simply create the world and the people in it perfect to begin with. That means your god is a vicious sadist.
6. If human beings are "too sinful" or "too unworthy" to understand the god and it's purposes, how are they capable of knowing for certain that this god even exists?
That argument boils down to the fairy tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes". Only the very best people could see the tailor's cloth, and to unworthy people, it was invisible. It never occurred to anyone until too late that the tailors were simply con men, and there never was any cloth. Christianity in particular regularly spews out tailors such as Jim Bakker, Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Joseph Smith, and many more.
7. Many Christians point to the collection of books, the bible, as proof of the existence of their god, as the literal word of god. When asked, "how do you know that the bible is true?" they answer, "Because it says so in the bible" or "I prayed about it".
If prayer could produce accurate factual information, it would be in constant practical use, to predict the weather, solve engineering problems, develop better medicines....but it isn't a means of obtaining facts.
8. If a grammar school library included a book that vividly described genocide, slavery, adultery, war, demons, murder of infants, curses and magic, would that concern you?
That book is the bible.
If the bible is the literal word of god, as so many christians vehemently insist, why is it full of so many self contradictions? Why is it so obscure? Why has there been so much violence through history as to it's meaning and interpretation, so many different translations and different churches, all claiming to be the only one true bible and one true church?
There is a similarity here with the dictionary. What many persons fail to understand is that the dictionary is merely a work of journalism, not a rule book. A dictionary is compiled by surveying and compiling how words are currently used, and then the dictionary reports this information, making no judgement as to correct or incorrect. When someone cites a dictionary entry to "prove" the meaning or pronunciation of a word, they are proving nothing more than how commonly that definition currently applies, a very weak argument indeed.
Yet the bible is constantly cited by smug christians as if a quote, often taken out of context, somehow "proved" their position or validated their attitudes. It's just a collection of history, poetry, wild myths, conflicting stories and arbitrary rules. It's a book that even those who insist they believe in it, violently and wildly disagree with each other as to it's interpretation and application.
An oft-misquoted line is "money is the root of all evil," when more correctly it says that "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil,". I would say instead that lack of accurate practical information is the root of all evil.
Just as the dictionary should not be used as if it were a rulebook, a grammar text, the bible is a poor substitute for a rational secular code of behavior. While it might be occasionally tolerable for a harried parent to prevent harm to an inexperienced child by fiat, saying "Because I said so," that approach is eventually going to breed frustration, contempt, resentment and disobedience. A more patient parent can explain and illustrate rational reasons for imposed rules. Religion can never accomplish that, because it is inherently irrational.
A good many christians say, "well, believing in it makes me happy,". Well, as Marx would reply, of course it makes you happy. So does opium. It's also inclined to make you ignorant, intolerant, and based upon a lot of history, violent.
Now, secular systems to govern behavior are often equally bad, but they are subject to rational analysis and adjustment. Religions are not.
9. The lack of any evidence of the supernatural does not exclude the possibility that proof could eventually be discovered. Yet, if your god is indeed omnipotent, omniscient and infallible, why should it be difficult to communicate and understand. If I am flawed, whose fault is that? Who made me? Who created the conditions I live under?
No, it is a lot more likely that religion is just a tool created to console those at the bottom, to give them enough hope to keep serving the wealthy and the powerful without fighting back.
A good many christians like to cite the example of accomplished men of science who held religious beliefs. This is a fallacy. They did not achieve what they did because they were religious, but in spite of it. Otherwise, a scientist could and would just sit in an empty room, pray, and come up with a solution rather than perform calculations, operate equipment and conduct experiments.
If prayer brought practical results it would be used without exception, but it does not.
Many christians like to argue that science cannot explain many things, so it's an invalid way of looking at the world compared to religion, which pretends to know everything. Science never made a claim to be a method that would produce immediate and complete results. It is a technique and a process......it is not a mechanical version of the religious miracle, but that is how some christians attempt to characterize it.
Christians like to argue that something had to create the universe, but they have no answer for the question, "If that creator was god, what or who created god? You've just argued that nothing can exist without a creator, so explain that one."
10. Is your god constantly affecting the outcome of everything? Suppose two identically religious and sincere persons, simultaneously and equally pray to god for exactly opposite things to happen. What does god do? Which one gets what they groveled for?
What kind of petty thug requires a constant flow of flattery and begging from the weak and the desperate? Is that a being worthy of worship? What kind of benevolence is there in a demand for blind obedience, with the punishment for refusing an eternity of burning torture?
11. If Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." It doesn't say, "after I die, you can ignore the old testament and begin to write your own rules." Jesus was a Jew, which means he upheld Leviticus. So, I ask you, if you obey Jesus do you obey all of the laws in Leviticus?
If your god created EVERYTHING, that INCLUDES sin, satan and all suffering. Either through incompetence or malice. Either way, that is not a being worthy of obedience or worship.
If people are "sinful" that means that god either made them that way or created the conditions for that to be true. After that malice, we're supposed to say "thanks" for an elaborate and implausible redemption scheme that should never have been necessary in the first place.....and just a few tiny strings attached to this "gift"....blind obedience to a book of rules and a bunch of self appointed human spokesmen for god to boss you around. Yeah, no thanks.
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