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GREAT TRUTH AND MESSAGE !!! Thank you for your service for the kingdom of Gid pastor Jeff, you have helped my family tremendously with handling Gods word and standing in his truth! It’s always a blessing studying Gods word with you
This is helpful, as I will often hear objections from skeptics that the Bible was simply edited by those who took out what they didn’t want and kept what they did want!
Want Apologia to discuss canonicity and self-authenticity under the principle of Sola Scriptura? Like this comment! Dr. Phillip Kayser addresses this premise effectively in his book on canon. However, one type of question arises: How do we establish the canonicity of 1, 2, and 3 John? Dr. Kayser seems to focus on Pauline & Petrine scriptures and Revelation. Can anyone provide insight on this? I must be missing something! Edit: the validity of sola scriptura in regard to consistency really rests on the self-authenticity of the canon we accept as Protestants!
@@yalechuk6714No it's not. And believing that only Rome can interpret the scriptures is circular reasoning. Very first chapter of Matthew teaches undeniably that Mary was not a perpetual virgin. Catholic say yeah it seems that way but only Rome can interpret it. I say why do you think only Rome can interpret the Bible? Catholic says because Peter was the first pope and all authority was given to him. And I say why do you think Peter was the first pope. Catholic says because the Bible says so. I say that's not what that passage says. Catholic says yes it is. I say how do you know? Catholic says because Rome says that's what it says. It's circular reasoning and it's stupid. People are simply too lazy and lack the necessary reading and comprehension skills to simply read it for themselves. And if it was up to Rome none of us would be able to obtain a copy of the Bible they burnt many people alive trying to prevent the Bible from getting into the common man's hand. Why? Because they knew the Bible contradicted what they had been teaching. Once the printing press was invented it was way too late so Rome moved on to plan b... Just tell everyone that only we can interpret it.
Anyone have tips on how to witness to family members when they are totally and completely turned off to listening to you about it?Especially siblings? Is it best to just relegate your relationship to something more surface level?
@Reformed1646 thank you for your reply. I think my sister might be a narcissist though. Not sure what I should do. She sucks the life out of the room. TBH I haven't been trying to witness to her but once. But my faith is a big part of my life now and she told me she's going to block me if I send her any more religious stuff again. I have only sent her 2 things but she gets irrationally triggered by things especially when she perceives her boundaries are being crossed. But again, my faith is an essential part of me now. Idk how not to express it in front of her or anyone for that matter. I can't change myself around her. We all walk on eggshells around her.
As a practicing Catholic I am not in the least offended nor triggered by the idea Rome/ the Vatican might be wrong - - the Church (big C or little c) is managed by man, fallible and prone to sin as are all men regardless of denomination. That said I would love to see Jeff or Dr. James White debate with real Catholic theologians such as Dr. Scott Hahn or Father David Pivonka - - my guess is they won't but man it would sure be great to see in a true spirit of love for Christ and as such, a love of Truth!@Reformed1646
@@zacharyevans8152The only thing you can do is Live for Jesus Christ. Don’t let your family rob you of your peace with Jesus Christ. You’ve already tried to reach out to her. There’s nothing you can do after that. God says to resist the prideful (James 4:6-8) So if she is showing resentment towards Gods word then the burden is on her , and she will stand before the Lord one day. But continue to preach the word of God no matter what. May God bless you brother✝️
@@zacharyevans8152 You should have some apologetic conversations with her. A good place to start would be asking her "Do you believe the universe is here, through intelligent design or random chance?" Its one or the other. Either it was intelligent design or not. And then ask her reasons as to why she believes what she believes. Its not your job to refute what she says, it's her job to support what she says. If she makes mere assertions, than that is her choice.
Courtesy of Jimmy Akin (ex Protestant turned Catholic) ‘Practical Problems of Sola Scriptura’ Simply stated, the Protestant doctrine of sola scriptura (“Scripture alone”) teaches that every teaching in Christian theology (everything pertaining to “faith and practice”) must be able to be derived from Scripture alone. This is expressed by the Reformation slogan Quod non est biblicum, non est theologicum (“What is not biblical is not theological,” cf. Dictionary of Latin and Greek Theological Terms: Drawn Principally from Protestant Scholastic Theology, Richard A. Muller, Baker, 1985). An essential part of this doctrine, as it has been historically articulated by Protestants, is that theology must be done without allowing Tradition or a Magisterium (teaching authority) any binding authority. If Tradition or a Magisterium could bind the conscience of the believer as to what he was to believe then the believer would not be looking to Scripture alone as his authority. A necessarily corollary of the doctrine of sola scriptura is, therefore, the idea of an absolute right of private judgment in the interpretation of the Scriptures. Each individual has the final prerogative to decide for himself what the correct interpretation of a given passage of Scripture means, irrespective of what anyone-or everyone-else says. If anyone or even everyone else together could tell the believer what to believe, Scripture would not be his sole authority; something else would have binding authority. Thus, according to sola scriptura, any role Tradition, a Magisterium, Bible commentaries, or anything else may play in theology is simply to suggest interpretations and evidence to the believer as he makes his decision. Each individual Christian is thus put in the position of being his own theologian. Of course, we all know that the average Christian does not exercise this role in any consistent way, even the average person admitted by Fundamentalists to be a genuine, “born again” believer. There are simply too many godly grannies who are very devout in their faith in Jesus, but who are in no way inclined to become theologians. Not only is the average Christian totally disinclined to fulfill the role of theologian, but if they try to do so, and if they arrive at conclusions different than those of the church they belong to-an easy task considering the number of different theological issues-then they will quickly discover that their right to private judgment amounts to a right to shut up or leave the congregation. Protestant pastors have long realized (in fact, Luther and Calvin realized it) that, although they must preach the doctrine of private judgment to ensure their own right to preach, 👉they must prohibit the exercise of this right in practice for others👈, lest the group be torn apart by strife and finally break up. It is the failure of the prohibition of the right of private judgment that has resulted in the over 20,000+ Christian Protestant denominations listed in the Oxford University Press’s World Christian Encyclopedia. The disintegration of Protestantism into so many competing factions, teaching different doctrines on key theological issues (What kind of faith saves? Is baptism necessary? Needed? Is baptism for infants? Must baptism be by immersion only? Can one lose salvation? How? Can it be gotten back? How? Is the Real Presence true? Are spiritual gifts like tongues and healing for today? For everyone? What about predestination? What about free will? What about church government?) is itself an important indicator of the practical failure of the doctrine of private judgment, and thus the doctrine of sola scriptura.
Romans 2 KJV ✝️🩸 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. 1 Corinthians 15 KJV ✝️🩸 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
@@Ancient_Man_In_Modern_World 🤔 What is your faith in? 🩸 My faith is in the blood of Jesus Christ. Romans 3 KJV 🩸 25 Whom God hath set forth _to be_ a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 🤔 I do know that people and Angels are accursed if the preach a different salvation message the Paul. Galatians 1 KJV 👨 OR 😇 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 🤔 Do you believe the gospel do you preach a different salvation message then Paul?
@@Ancient_Man_In_Modern_World ♥️ I also know that the KJV is the seventh Bible translated into English . What Bible do you use and what translation is it? Psalms 12 KJV 6 The words of the LORD _are_ pure words: _as_ silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Ecclesiastes 8 KJV 👑 4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?
@@AlexanderBrown77 The KJV have deuterocanon (1611 anyways..) which was still a secularized version (paraphrase) of the Gutenberg Bible and Douay Rheims which did not designate Deuterocanon to “apocrypha” Martin Lutherfer’s sandy foundation of “Sola Scriptura” was an appeal to a 73 book Bible.. that “he ALONE” translated and labeled as “apocrypha” in his German Bibel, after butchering St. Jerome’s words. And with that, I simply read the RSVCI Ignatius Catholic Study Bible, as well as Douay Rheims AND the ESV-Catholic Edition. I have NKJV, which only has 66 of the 73 inspired books. Every doctrine and dogma professed by Christianity, is found all throughout, and spelled out in the whole body of the church fathers who preserved this and passed this down, without any aid at all of a single “reformer”, and long before they were in existence. Also, The heart of Christian worship is far too neglected in Protestant world to be claiming a subjective statement like: “I believe in the blood of Jesus” So does 33,000+ divided Protestant denominations. So do Unitarian (Protestant) denominations. So do the Mormons.. The very heart of Christian worship, IS the Holy Eucharist, instituted by the King. “For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts.” Malachias (Malachi) 1:11 Douay Rheims (1st edition: 1582) No distinction between deuterocanon and protocanon. It is the Old Testament. The greatest defenders of Christology and the Holy Trinity, were utilizing the Deuterocanon for this magnificent doctrine. Therefore, explicitly demonstrating over and over throughout the centuries, that the Deuterocanon is indeed inspired and sacred scripture.
I agree with Jeff when he says the Church received the word of God and that it was God that preserved it and led the Church to recognize the books that belong to it. But I wouldn’t say that it created the Church. God created the Church at Pentecost with the coming of the Holy Spirit. And then that Church was led to write, preserve and canonize what became the New Testament. Maybe he meant something else by it, but just thought I’d add the clarification.
"Let us look at the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the very beginning, which the Lord gave, the Apostles preached, and the Fathers preserved. Upon this the Church is founded." St. Athanasius
The Roman Catholic church during the council of Trent. Made it very clear: Justification by faith alone or justification with works? That's crucial to remember.
The catholic church of today would be completely foreign and regarded as heretical by Athanasius. The Roman Catholic church has not had a consistent Theology historically speaking and is still coming up with new Dogma and doctrines. Mary being a co-redemptrix for example. I personally will side with the Lord Jesus Christ and his view of scripture over Athanasius. I'll leave you with the words of Martin Luther: " I cannot submit my faith either to the pope or to the council, because it is clear that they have fallen into error and even into inconsistency with themselves. If, then, I am not convinced by proof from Holy Scripture, or by cogent reasons, if I am not satisfied by the very text I have cited, and if my judgment is not in this way brought into subjection to God's word, I neither can nor will retract anything; for it cannot be either safe or honest for a Christian to speak against his conscience. Here I stand. I cannot do otherwise. God help me. Amen."
@Reformed1646 Is it? Why do you go to Church on Sunday? Why don't you keep the Sabbath anymore? You sure it's in Scripture and not in Tradition outside of Scripture?
@@petros-petraYes, Sunday church is scriptural, but you are forbidden to see it. You are in error because you do not understand what Sola Scriptura is & is not.
Ask them why they are taking one verse, out of context, and building an entire theological system based on it. THEY are the ones making the claim. THEY need to back it up. Never get on the defensive that way.
Last night there was a weird buzzing over the audio, I bet they pulled it to private to fix it. The audio track today is much cleaner and easier to listen to.
I have a question have any of you struggled with lust or perverted thoughts or adult content I struggle with controlling those thoughts it's even harder because I'm autistic which has a connection to hypersexuality or perverted thoughts that they can't control there's been many studies proving this I mainly get tempted at night time when I go to sleep. And when I wake up I have an urge to look it up for some reason but my brain is still not awake but I don't have a reason and I'm not thinking clearly on why I'm doing it it's just pure impulse Getting those thoughts in temptations in my head it's something I struggled with for a long time especially last night ( this hasn't been going on for really really long time for me and is just a hindrance in my walk with God and maybe the reason he doesn't talk to me or answer my prayers) It's something I've been struggling with recently the past couple months but lust in private thoughts I've been dealing with for years I don't want it in my life I don't to be away from God because of that sin and I don't want it to stop God from working in my life blessing me and stopping me from living a holy life And being a good husband because I want a good Godly wife( I'm still a virgin and I've never been in a relationship, and I do get frustrated about that) this has been going on for such a long time sometimes you feel like God doesn't want to help you because of your failures or that I know there's a way I can be free but I don't know how to get it cuz people say abiding in Christ or walking in the spirit I know that Christ died for everyone meaning meaning everyone can go to heaven that means everyone has the opportunity to overcome those sins they struggle with and get the victory they want
Romans 12: 1,2. Fill your mind with the Word of God every night before bed. This will help. Keeping yourself focused on Him brings perfect peace in all things. God bless you and keep you friend.
I would venture to say 90% of men here struggle with lust. Myself included... we are here with you brother. Scripture tells us to flee sexual immorality. God knows that it is poison to the human soul, especially men. So He tells us just to RUN! Only through the grace of God by dying to our fleshly desires can we make progress. Every time i struggle, i also pray for other believers that are facing temptation in the very moment that i am.
Jeff, I think your beard is cool, but it would be cool to see you without a beard. People say I should grow a beard, but I think I would look like Blackbeard the Pirate if I did. LOL. Anyway, enough of the "Beard" stuff I totally agree with you that Sola Scriptura is the way to go. For anybody to be against the word of God "like most Catholics" are just amazes me. I mean how could one say Scripture is not the ultimate authority?
Wow I expected durbin to at least not strawman the Catholic position. I was really wrong. This is why people are becoming Catholic, you give misrepresentations and then tare them down as if you actually dealt with the issue. This is pretty low
You forgot to mention the debate a few weeks ago between Calvinist James White and Catholic Trent Horn, listen to it on youtube if you want an honest debate on this topic.
The point of the church is for a local gathering of believers to be taught the gospel; the word of God (the doctrines of grace) under biblically qualified pastors and elders. See Titus 1 and 1 Timothy 3.
You cant mischaracterize the catholic church anymore. Anybody with the internet can go and see what catholics believe. Jay Dyer has destroyed SS so many times i lost count. Trent Horn definitely defeated James white…. White admitted that sola scriptura wasnt possible until at least the 4th century, that it took time to develop. Then in the q&a, he said catholic traditions began as an authority in the 2nd century! What an admission. Sorry guys we just want you to come back home! We love you! Peace be with you brothers in christ.
You preach Sola Scriptura and yet you condemn the Dred Scott decision? Take a gander at Leviticus 25 or what Paul has to say to his slave friend. God was totally down with owning slaves and considered them the property of their owners. The God of the Bible would have endorsed the Dredd Scott decision. Talk about a major fail of epistemology!
@@patrickc3419Leviticus 25 is about enslaving non- Hebrews (chattel slavery). Exodus 21 is about Hebrew servitude. The conditions God placed on Hebrew servitude were awful: 4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. 5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: 6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
50:55 Well this is Nicene Creed: "United States Conference of Catholic Bishops *Nicene Creed* I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. *I believe in one*, *holy, catholic and apostolic Church.* *I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.* Amen." You love most of it except the last part. Just like in the Old Testament where all priests came from the tribe of Levites, so too there is a similar thing all priests come from the Catholic Church. Roman Catholics do have a place where we have in infallible teachings of the Church. It is called the deposit of the faith which is a book called the Cathecism of the Catholic Church. Here is one printing of the book in Amazon: www.amazon.com/Catechism-Catholic-Church-Ascension-Press/dp/1954881649/ Here is the actual document on Fiducia Supplicans (English), so that your viewers can read it for themselves: www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html On the Nicene Creed, I think you believe in everything except the Authority: ruclips.net/video/-8v170oWas8/видео.htmlsi=eSkuj954xtJstnBC (See minute 1: 55 in the video) And differences between Apostle's Creed and Nicene Creed: ruclips.net/video/dH5StNyn0gY/видео.htmlsi=37AeKtYZMYTUtuP1 Here is differences in words: scborromeo.org/ccc/credo.htm (I am sure your church took a copy of the Nicene Creed and deleted the part about believing in "We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church." ? I don't know when that was taken out by the Reformers (Protestants or Separated Brethren). Here are reasons why some Protestants converted or reverted to Catholicism: Evangelical: ruclips.net/video/MQddivz-DhY/видео.htmlsi=SypC_AR4FclSHY7f Presbyterian / Anglican ruclips.net/video/k0H92BecYIU/видео.htmlsi=AJAQ9_ppt_T-szyY There are many stories: Just search on RUclips " EWTN Journey Home" Here is a revert Jeff Cavins... Who developed our Bible in a Year Study here on RUclips: ruclips.net/video/-MLm1u7izYU/видео.htmlsi=EKTisLGbtNJo9nPd Here is Bible in a Year on RUclips which I am currently taking Day 93!!! m.youtube.com/@TheBibleinaYear Your statement on we like tradition was quite funny... You like it has only as it is not Roman Catholic Tradition. We do say the Nicene Creed at EVERY MASS... Here are the things that truly separate the Church and our Separated Brethren ... (well besides Apostolic Succession and Authority... By the way, when it comes to the schism with the Eastern Orthodox... They are our closest brothers, but they still have apostolic succession and 7 sacraments. Oh wait, there is yet another key objection you have with Catholics and is in the Nicene Creed... We believe in the forgiveness of sins... As it relates to the Sacrament of Penance or aka Confession. Really the biggest difference between the Separated Brethren and us Catholics is in every day life: The 7 Sacraments which includes those which are the most practical Confession and the Eucharist... but if you read John 6... you will know the Catholic Church is the one true church. Be have been obedient for nearly 2,000 years... Here is it being read and explained to you: ruclips.net/video/1lpsTp-Papw/видео.htmlsi=tCkLxC63iASX1H_p Here it is in the Catechism in a year Day 87: ruclips.net/video/yN8UHPfhIZ4/видео.htmlsi=fjOq76k2HpprT1f7 Days after May be interesting. Where you are definitely wrong are the blasphemies you say about the Virgin Mary. Those things said are absolutely horrible. Here is what we say about the Virgin Mary in the Catechism: www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p6.htm Here is a very good article on the Virgin Mary: marian.org/mary/in-the-catechism If you go to Revelations 12 you will read about her in end of times (beginning and towards the end of chapter) I don't like quoting just some verses but I must... So Revelations 12:10-17 Or read to you: ruclips.net/video/2l0Q9gjHrqk/видео.htmlsi=z4OknsunjsLXt6YK ruclips.net/video/2l0Q9gjHrqk/видео.htmlsi=TXnRH77eVmM6FZXP So Israel, Church or Virgin Mary
1. According to 2Timothy 3:1-17, taken in context, Scripture is limited to the Old Testament only, and includes all of the seven Old Testament books rejected by the reformers. 2. Scripture does not provide the canon of inspired books within Holy Scripture. Therefore, how does the Scripture believer know which books are inspired and which books are not? 3. Scripture does not provide us with a list of uninspired books such as the Gospels of Peter, Paul, and Thomas, and does not explain why those books are not in the Scripture believers Bible. How can the Scripture believer differentiate between which books are inspired and which are not? 4. Scripture does not provide us with the word "Bible". How then can an Scripture believer even use the word? 5. Therefore Scripture believers have no way of knowing that the book which they call the Bible is the Bible. 6. Since Scripture believers cannot show which books in the Bible are inspired, then they have no right to even call theirs an inspired Bible. 7. Scripture does not provide us with the word "Trinity". So why do Scripture believers even use the word? 8. Scripture does not define the Holy Trinity. So why do Scripture believers think it even exists? 9. Do you believe in "Original Sin"? Well the words "Original Sin", taken together, are not in the Bible, so how can you believe in it? 10. Do you believe in the "Incarnation"? How can you when that word is not to be found in Holy Scripture? 11. Do you believe in the "Ascension"? How can you when that word is not even in your Bible? 12. Do you believe in something called the "Rapture"? How can you when the word is not to be found in your Bible? 13. Do you believe in "Christianity"? Well that word cannot be found in the Bible either for Scripture believers. 14. Do "Protestants" not exist at all simply because that word cannot be found in Scripture? 15. Where in Scripture are the words, 'we are saved by faith alone'? I can find just one verse where the words "faith" and "only" are found together and there is that little word "not" before them, "You see that by works a man is justified and not by faith only", James 2:24. I cannot seem to find words in support of 'faith alone', except in Martin Luther's German Bible, where he added the word 'alone' to Romans 3:28. The book of James was a thorn in Luther's side, as it contradicted what he taught. That is the reason why he called that book "a straw epistle", meaning it was good for burning. 16. The words "Sola Scriptura" do not appear anywhere in the Bible, so how can any Scripture believer poScriptureibly practice it? By its very name, Sola Scriptura, if it is not in the Bible, then it simply is not to be believed. I get that answer all the time from Scripture believers who try to tell me that "everything" is in the Bible, in spite of the fact that the Bible in no way says that. However, the Bible does say that everything is not in the Bible, which is just the exact opposite of what Scripture believers tell me. See John 20:30, and 21:25. Who should I believe, what Scripture believers tell me, or what the Word of GOD says? 17. Tell me about the workings of Scripture at the very beginning when the Church was founded by Christ in about 30 A.D., and the first book of the New Testament, 1TheScripturealonians, was not written until over twenty years later? If you would read the book of Acts, you will find that the Church was growing very fast during that period. Three thousand were added in only one day in Acts 2:41, and in Acts 2:27, more were added every day. Acts 4:4 mentions five thousand more believers. How can any Scripture adherent explain this fabulous growth without a New Testament to guide these early believers? Would an Old Testament Scripture suffice for New covenant teaching? 18. Scripture could not poScriptureibly have worked for the first 374 years of Christianity (aScriptureuming it began in 30 A.D.), since there was no New Testament at all as we know it until 404 A.D.. 19. Scripture could have not poScriptureibly have worked for over one thousand years after the Latin Vulgate of 404, since the printing preScripture was not invented until 1450 and all Bibles had to be laboriously copied by hand before then. It is estimated that each Bible took from ten to twenty years of a monks daily life to reproduce just one copy. A beautiful opulence abounded in those copies, as many were decorated with real gold and precious jewels. The cost for each was prohibitive. Who of the common maScripturees could afford one? If GOD needed Scripture then why did He wait over 1400 years before creating Gutenberg so that he could invent the printing preScripture? 20. Sola Scripture could not have worked at all with the prevalence of illiteracy running as high as 95% for so many centuries. 21. The false man-made doctrine of sola Scripture does not appear anywhere in genuine historical writings before Martin Luther came along in the sixteenth century and "invented it". 22. How does the Scripture believer know which Scripture interpretation to believe since each one is his or her own pope? One teaches one thing and another teaches just the opposite. That is the main reason why there are tens of thousands of Scripture believer sects* in the world today, all teaching something different, and all saying "the Holy Spirit told me". Who has the authority for the Scripture believer to say, "This is the one true meaning of Scripture"? The answer is that there is no authority. It is every Scripture believer for himself in Biblical interpretation which is forbidden by Scripture itself for any Scripture believer to do so, Acts 8:26-38, 2Peter 1:20, 2Peter 3:16. *The World Christianity Encyclopedia, a Protestant publication. It lists 36,400 as of the middle of 2003. 23. If "everything is in the Bible", so I am told by Scripture believers, then why do Scripture believers not believe and practice all of Scripture? Why do they reject large portions of it? Here are some examples of what they reject: * The three verses I just listed which collectively say there is to be no private interpretation of Holy Scripture. * 1Corinthians 11:2 and 2TheScripturealonians 2:15, which say to hold the traditions. Scripture believers say do not hold traditions. * 1Timothy 3:15, does not say the bible is the pillar and foundation of the truth, but it is the Church. * John 10:16, that there shall be one fold and one shepherd, and not the tens of thousands that Scripture believers have formed. * 1Corinthians 1:10, that you all say the same thing and that there be no diScriptureensions. Well I have just shown that all of the thousands of sects teach different things, and it is diScriptureensions which cause them to split and form even more sects. * John chapter 6 which Scripture believers say is #HYPERLINK "symbol.htm"# HYPERLINK "symbol.htm"symbolic, yet the same ones say that the rest of the Bible is literal. * Matthew 16:18 that Jesus said church and not tens of thousands of churches. * Matthew 28:20 where Jesus Christ promised to be with His one Church every day in every century until the end of time. * Luke 1:48, 'Henceforth', means from this moment on. 'All generations', means just that and I presume that it includes everyone who is reading this file. 'Will', is a command and not a suggestion. 'Call me bleScriptureed'. In all of my extensive conversations with Scripture believers, not a single one has ever obeyed the command of this verse. This verse is proof positive that Scripture believers do not follow Holy Scripture, but pick and choose what fits their false beliefs. It is a clear violation of James 2:10, "If someone obeys all of GOD's laws except one, that person is guilty of breaking all of them." * Luke 2:51, Scripture tells us that the creator of the universe was subject to a creature, His Mother, BleScriptureed Mary, for the first 30 years of His life. Why don't Scripture believers acknowledge this fact? * Deuteronomy 4:2, 13:1, Proverbs 30:5-6, Revelation 22:18-20, 'Do not add to or subtract from Holy Scripture' (see #24 below). * Deuteronomy 12:8, 'You shall not do as we are now doing; here, everyone does what seems right for himself'. This is yet another condemnation of individual interpretation of Holy Scripture. "If it fits my interpretation it is right for me". * Revelation 21:8, 21:27 and 22:15, that liars will never make it into heaven. * Romans 1:18 and 2:8, meet with wrath for those who are contentious and do not submit to the truth. Well I have shown from this lengthy list that Scripture believers are guilty as charged for closing their eyes and ignoring the verses I have listed in this section. They certainly do not submit to the truth of Holy Scripture. Isn't saying that they obey Holy Scripture, while at the same time ignoring large sections of it, being hypocritical? A verse which I have previously listed cries out to be repeated at this point: "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it." James 2:10, RSV "If someone obeys all of GOD's laws except one, that person is guilty of breaking all of them." James 2:10, GW Then there is 1 Peter 4:17, a verse of which all Scripture believers should be aware as they keep in mind the many commands of Scripture which I have listed above and of which some are not obeyed: "For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?"😎😎
The Torah is absolutely inspired. So are the Prophets. Deuteronomy 13 is the test to see if any prophet, teacher, dreamer, or authority is true or false. I believe all of the 27 books of the "New Testament" pass that test. I believe the books that are included in the modern Bible are there because they A: pass the Deuteronomy 13 test and B: pass the historicity tests through the centuries. That being said, there maybe should be more writings from the apocrypha that could be included so long as they pass the A and B tests. Some of them might, and some of them are very questionable. I am not an expert on that. I recommend just reading the scripture and doing what it says. Start with Genesis.
Maybe we have all missed some thing - did Jesus not say man cannot live on bread alone but on every word of God. Many times - as it is written and will remain written - We have all gone astray even us protestants hold on to more traditions than what scripture alone actually says eg. The Sabbath is the seventh day - Pass Over and easter are not the same feast even though Paul says in Corinthians we should keep the Pass over feast. Catholics also claims that the bible is the Word of God ( to not know the Scripture is to jot know Jesus). Check the catechism ( I think 2170 or around there). We must stop pointing our fingers at RCC and examine ourselves first and put our own house in order.
Debate Sam Shamoun, Perry Robinson, Ubi Petrus, Jay Dyer, Erick Ybarra or any of the other Catholic/Orthodox apologists on this and cook if youre that confident lol...
@@AttackDog0500 Yeah I know... it was bad. White might be a better apologist for Prots becoming Catholic then even Catholic apologists are. Plus, you're talking about White, is White the one presenting here? Or is that Durbin? I'm talking about Durbin. For some reason he hasn't debated any of the EO/Catholic apologists. What's the reason?
@@jacobwoods6153I disagree. I was at both debates and thought both debaters did a good job. As a protestant, I believe James adequately answered every question. Most of the questions he knocked out of the park. I say this while I laughed with (not at) Trent on several of the funny points he made and was impressed with his memory and debating skills. In my opinion, James won the first debate by showing the contradictions among Catholic traditions and the absurdity of a claim of verbal tradition that can not be defined or identified until it's dogmatically defined by Rome. The only way we can infallibly know first century doctrine is through Scripture. The best point Trent made was not having a Canon without the church infallibly defining what books belong. However, James refuted this point by saying that Trent's argument is standing in opposition to Jesus' use of the OT Canon. I think Trent lost the second debate for himself when he contradicted his own church's traditional view of purgatory. His Scriptural arguments were weak. I heard no convincing argument from the Bible or early church history for purgatory.
@danielwood8840 Yeah, I was Reformed and was a White follower. I have heard this over and over again that he caused (insert name) to become Catholic... You might disagree on the debate results, but people's experiences/testimonials of James causing people to become Catholic is a witness to people coming to a different conclusion. That's ok, keep quoting the Fathers, keep getting Prots interested in them, keep debating Catholics, and they'll keep leaving Protestantism for Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
If scripture is as perspicuous as it is claimed to be, and if _sola scriptura_ is clearly taught in the Bible, why is a whole series of talks on the subject needed? Just provide the verse which says that scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith for the Church. Thanks.
Jesus gave Peter the Authority through the Holy Spirit to build the Church. He didn't say write a book. Remember that Catholic bishops created the Bible.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 If Mary named Yahshua (Jesus), the *proper* name: *"Rock"* , Christ's name would have been *"Cephas"* (John 1:42, 1Cor. 1:12, 3:22, 9:5, Gal. 2:9) in the Aramaic and *"Petros"* in the Greek, and "Peter" in the Greek to English. There is only ONE way to Say the *proper* name ROCK and that is CEPHAS in the Aramaic and PETROS in the Greek. If Mary had named Christ "Rock" we would all be calling Christ *"CEPHAS or PETER"* Christ is not called a PETRA! *Only a female*DID YOU KNOW* If Mary had named Christ "Rock" we would all be calling Christ *"CEPHAS or PETER"* It is no mistake that Christ named Simon, "Rock" . Christ knew exactly what He was doing and how offended you Protestants would be because you despise authority. e can be called, "Petra"* ! *No Jew or otherwise DARE call Christ, "Petra"* they would properly call Him "Petros" (Peter). Who cannot see that one is female (Petra) and the other is Male (Petros) !!! *Christ knowing all things from the beginning, reserved both the name and title "Rock" to be given to Simon from the beginning of time.* *The Protestant's won't admit this because, they know they are in rebellion and despise authority*
That’s not what Jesus said. Its not what the writers of the New Testament believed. It’s not what the 2nd and 3rd 4th century fathers believed. You were lied to. A power hungry man or men made up that teaching for power and greed sake.
If the scriptures are so clear and a person just needs to prayerfully read them to understand them, why are thousands and thousands of protestants always listening to thier favorite preacher/teacher to learn how to read and understand svripture? Very strange thinking.
There are over 900 different recognized English translations of the bible used in Christianity today.. I find it difficult for one to honestly teach Sola scriptura while also ignoring the 900 different English translations .. total hypocrisy.. it's gaslighting
Forced-birth extremist: My religion says you can’t have an abortion. Me: Your Bible says life begins at first breath; clumps of cells don’t breathe air in the womb. Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being.”
The first man that became the first living being was delivered from a woman's womb? Thank you for enlightening me, all along I thought it meant that God created man (Adam) from dirt.
@@ljshoreslokal He didn't have life until he breathed...something that is any womb can not! But you are the one that believes in fairy tales...it's your stupid stories that you a forcing upon humanity.
@@ljshoreslokal The first man didn't live until his first breath. Before breath there is no life. It's your stupid book...you should probably learn to understand words.
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God bless Apologia & Pastor Jeff Durbin
Amen! Prayers for our neighbors in the RCC and all other wordly organizations
Wow ! This why I listen to Durbin !
GREAT TRUTH AND MESSAGE !!! Thank you for your service for the kingdom of Gid pastor Jeff, you have helped my family tremendously with handling Gods word and standing in his truth! It’s always a blessing studying Gods word with you
I'm working to get my ACBC certification. We believe in Scripture's Sufficiency. These arguments come up a lot. This sermon is helpful for me.
We need more sermons!
This is helpful, as I will often hear objections from skeptics that the Bible was simply edited by those who took out what they didn’t want and kept what they did want!
God has revealed Himself by His Word and the Word become flesh fully revealed in Jesus Christ, God with us, our Lord & Savior!
We should start counting years of life from the moment of conception. We are born with 9 months (approx). Blessings!!!
But how old are you since the time you were saved and born again? I’m a year old if that’s the case lol
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Dr. Phillip Kayser addresses this premise effectively in his book on canon. However, one type of question arises: How do we establish the canonicity of 1, 2, and 3 John? Dr. Kayser seems to focus on Pauline & Petrine scriptures and Revelation. Can anyone provide insight on this? I must be missing something!
Edit: the validity of sola scriptura in regard to consistency really rests on the self-authenticity of the canon we accept as Protestants!
Sola Scriptura is self refuting premise whichever way you look at .
@@yalechuk6714 how?
@@yalechuk6714No it's not. And believing that only Rome can interpret the scriptures is circular reasoning.
Very first chapter of Matthew teaches undeniably that Mary was not a perpetual virgin.
Catholic say yeah it seems that way but only Rome can interpret it.
I say why do you think only Rome can interpret the Bible?
Catholic says because Peter was the first pope and all authority was given to him.
And I say why do you think Peter was the first pope.
Catholic says because the Bible says so.
I say that's not what that passage says.
Catholic says yes it is.
I say how do you know?
Catholic says because Rome says that's what it says.
It's circular reasoning and it's stupid.
People are simply too lazy and lack the necessary reading and comprehension skills to simply read it for themselves.
And if it was up to Rome none of us would be able to obtain a copy of the Bible they burnt many people alive trying to prevent the Bible from getting into the common man's hand.
Why?
Because they knew the Bible contradicted what they had been teaching. Once the printing press was invented it was way too late so Rome moved on to plan b... Just tell everyone that only we can interpret it.
Every right doctrine should be in line in GOD'S TRUTH, GOD'S WORD,WHO IS CHRIST HIMSELF,THE ONLY WAY,THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE
I clicked on the video when it had 666 views….. 😂Yall are welcome.
Maranatha
K8u8
Amen!
Anyone have tips on how to witness to family members when they are totally and completely turned off to listening to you about it?Especially siblings?
Is it best to just relegate your relationship to something more surface level?
@Reformed1646 thank you for your reply. I think my sister might be a narcissist though. Not sure what I should do. She sucks the life out of the room. TBH I haven't been trying to witness to her but once. But my faith is a big part of my life now and she told me she's going to block me if I send her any more religious stuff again. I have only sent her 2 things but she gets irrationally triggered by things especially when she perceives her boundaries are being crossed. But again, my faith is an essential part of me now. Idk how not to express it in front of her or anyone for that matter. I can't change myself around her. We all walk on eggshells around her.
As a practicing Catholic I am not in the least offended nor triggered by the idea Rome/ the Vatican might be wrong - - the Church (big C or little c) is managed by man, fallible and prone to sin as are all men regardless of denomination. That said I would love to see Jeff or Dr. James White debate with real Catholic theologians such as Dr. Scott Hahn or Father David Pivonka - - my guess is they won't but man it would sure be great to see in a true spirit of love for Christ and as such, a love of Truth!@Reformed1646
@@zacharyevans8152The only thing you can do is Live for Jesus Christ. Don’t let your family rob you of your peace with Jesus Christ. You’ve already tried to reach out to her. There’s nothing you can do after that. God says to resist the prideful (James 4:6-8) So if she is showing resentment towards Gods word then the burden is on her , and she will stand before the Lord one day. But continue to preach the word of God no matter what. May God bless you brother✝️
@@Johnamerson thank you for your reply brother! Blessings be to you as well! Have a blessed week ahead.
@@zacharyevans8152 You should have some apologetic conversations with her. A good place to start would be asking her "Do you believe the universe is here, through intelligent design or random chance?" Its one or the other. Either it was intelligent design or not. And then ask her reasons as to why she believes what she believes. Its not your job to refute what she says, it's her job to support what she says. If she makes mere assertions, than that is her choice.
yes !
Courtesy of Jimmy Akin (ex Protestant turned Catholic) ‘Practical Problems of Sola Scriptura’
Simply stated, the Protestant doctrine of sola scriptura (“Scripture alone”) teaches that every teaching in Christian theology (everything pertaining to “faith and practice”) must be able to be derived from Scripture alone. This is expressed by the Reformation slogan Quod non est biblicum, non est theologicum (“What is not biblical is not theological,” cf. Dictionary of Latin and Greek Theological Terms: Drawn Principally from Protestant Scholastic Theology, Richard A. Muller, Baker, 1985).
An essential part of this doctrine, as it has been historically articulated by Protestants, is that theology must be done without allowing Tradition or a Magisterium (teaching authority) any binding authority. If Tradition or a Magisterium could bind the conscience of the believer as to what he was to believe then the believer would not be looking to Scripture alone as his authority.
A necessarily corollary of the doctrine of sola scriptura is, therefore, the idea of an absolute right of private judgment in the interpretation of the Scriptures. Each individual has the final prerogative to decide for himself what the correct interpretation of a given passage of Scripture means, irrespective of what anyone-or everyone-else says.
If anyone or even everyone else together could tell the believer what to believe, Scripture would not be his sole authority; something else would have binding authority. Thus, according to sola scriptura, any role Tradition, a Magisterium, Bible commentaries, or anything else may play in theology is simply to suggest interpretations and evidence to the believer as he makes his decision.
Each individual Christian is thus put in the position of being his own theologian.
Of course, we all know that the average Christian does not exercise this role in any consistent way, even the average person admitted by Fundamentalists to be a genuine, “born again” believer.
There are simply too many godly grannies who are very devout in their faith in Jesus, but who are in no way inclined to become theologians.
Not only is the average Christian totally disinclined to fulfill the role of theologian, but if they try to do so, and if they arrive at conclusions different than those of the church they belong to-an easy task considering the number of different theological issues-then they will quickly discover that their right to private judgment amounts to a right to shut up or leave the congregation.
Protestant pastors have long realized (in fact, Luther and Calvin realized it) that, although they must preach the doctrine of private judgment to ensure their own right to preach, 👉they must prohibit the exercise of this right in practice for others👈, lest the group be torn apart by strife and finally break up.
It is the failure of the prohibition of the right of private judgment that has resulted in the over 20,000+ Christian Protestant denominations listed in the Oxford University Press’s World Christian Encyclopedia.
The disintegration of Protestantism into so many competing factions, teaching different doctrines on key theological issues (What kind of faith saves? Is baptism necessary? Needed? Is baptism for infants? Must baptism be by immersion only? Can one lose salvation? How? Can it be gotten back? How? Is the Real Presence true? Are spiritual gifts like tongues and healing for today? For everyone? What about predestination? What about free will? What about church government?) is itself an important indicator of the practical failure of the doctrine of private judgment, and thus the doctrine of sola scriptura.
Romans 2 KJV ✝️🩸
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
1 Corinthians 15 KJV ✝️🩸
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
@ Are these the only existing passages in your Bible? And therefore, the whole of everything else combined, is irrelevant?
@@Ancient_Man_In_Modern_World 🤔 What is your faith in? 🩸 My faith is in the blood of Jesus Christ.
Romans 3 KJV 🩸
25 Whom God hath set forth _to be_ a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
🤔 I do know that people and Angels are accursed if the preach a different salvation message the Paul.
Galatians 1 KJV 👨 OR 😇
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
🤔 Do you believe the gospel do you preach a different salvation message then Paul?
@@Ancient_Man_In_Modern_World ♥️
I also know that the KJV is the seventh Bible translated into English . What Bible do you use and what translation is it?
Psalms 12 KJV
6 The words of the LORD _are_ pure words: _as_ silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Ecclesiastes 8 KJV 👑
4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?
@@AlexanderBrown77 The KJV have deuterocanon (1611 anyways..) which was still a secularized version (paraphrase) of the Gutenberg Bible and Douay Rheims which did not designate Deuterocanon to “apocrypha”
Martin Lutherfer’s sandy foundation of “Sola Scriptura” was an appeal to a 73 book Bible.. that “he ALONE” translated and labeled as “apocrypha” in his German Bibel, after butchering St. Jerome’s words.
And with that, I simply read the RSVCI Ignatius Catholic Study Bible, as well as Douay Rheims AND the ESV-Catholic Edition.
I have NKJV, which only has 66 of the 73 inspired books.
Every doctrine and dogma professed by Christianity, is found all throughout, and spelled out in the whole body of the church fathers who preserved this and passed this down, without any aid at all of a single “reformer”, and long before they were in existence.
Also,
The heart of Christian worship is far too neglected in Protestant world to be claiming a subjective statement like:
“I believe in the blood of Jesus”
So does 33,000+ divided Protestant denominations.
So do Unitarian (Protestant) denominations.
So do the Mormons..
The very heart of Christian worship, IS the Holy Eucharist, instituted by the King.
“For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts.”
Malachias (Malachi) 1:11 Douay Rheims (1st edition: 1582)
No distinction between deuterocanon and protocanon.
It is the Old Testament.
The greatest defenders of Christology and the Holy Trinity, were utilizing the Deuterocanon for this magnificent doctrine.
Therefore, explicitly demonstrating over and over throughout the centuries, that the Deuterocanon is indeed inspired and sacred scripture.
I agree with Jeff when he says the Church received the word of God and that it was God that preserved it and led the Church to recognize the books that belong to it. But I wouldn’t say that it created the Church. God created the Church at Pentecost with the coming of the Holy Spirit. And then that Church was led to write, preserve and canonize what became the New Testament. Maybe he meant something else by it, but just thought I’d add the clarification.
"Let us look at the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the very beginning, which the Lord gave, the Apostles preached, and the Fathers preserved. Upon this the Church is founded." St. Athanasius
The Roman Catholic church during the council of Trent. Made it very clear: Justification by faith alone or justification with works? That's crucial to remember.
The catholic church of today would be completely foreign and regarded as heretical by Athanasius. The Roman Catholic church has not had a consistent Theology historically speaking and is still coming up with new Dogma and doctrines. Mary being a co-redemptrix for example. I personally will side with the Lord Jesus Christ and his view of scripture over Athanasius. I'll leave you with the words of Martin Luther: " I cannot submit my faith either to the pope or to the council, because it is clear that they have fallen into error and even into inconsistency with themselves. If, then, I am not convinced by proof from Holy Scripture, or by cogent reasons, if I am not satisfied by the very text I have cited, and if my judgment is not in this way brought into subjection to God's word, I neither can nor will retract anything; for it cannot be either safe or honest for a Christian to speak against his conscience. Here I stand. I cannot do otherwise. God help me. Amen."
@Reformed1646 Is it? Why do you go to Church on Sunday? Why don't you keep the Sabbath anymore? You sure it's in Scripture and not in Tradition outside of Scripture?
@@petros-petraYes, Sunday church is scriptural, but you are forbidden to see it. You are in error because you do not understand what Sola Scriptura is & is not.
@@tricord2939 lol, sure if you say so but can't provide a proof, it must be true.
Amen
Was he saying there are no more prophets giving prophecies anymore because the canon is closed? Or is he saying no more scripture is being written?
Both.
@@theclown3967 So no prophets are in the world currently ?
How do we as Christians argue against how Catholics use one verse John 20:23 for the reason they have priest you must go to for forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 4:14-16 brother :)
Ask them why they are taking one verse, out of context, and building an entire theological system based on it. THEY are the ones making the claim. THEY need to back it up. Never get on the defensive that way.
Why are these not accessible via Livestream? I was going to watch last night right after it was live but it said it was private? @admin
Last night there was a weird buzzing over the audio, I bet they pulled it to private to fix it. The audio track today is much cleaner and easier to listen to.
I have a question have any of you struggled with lust or perverted thoughts or adult content I struggle with controlling those thoughts it's even harder because I'm autistic which has a connection to hypersexuality or perverted thoughts that they can't control there's been many studies proving this
I mainly get tempted at night time when I go to sleep. And when I wake up I have an urge to look it up for some reason but my brain is still not awake but I don't have a reason and I'm not thinking clearly on why I'm doing it it's just pure impulse
Getting those thoughts in temptations in my head it's something I struggled with for a long time especially last night
( this hasn't been going on for really really long time for me and is just a hindrance in my walk with God and maybe the reason he doesn't talk to me or answer my prayers)
It's something I've been struggling with recently the past couple months but lust in private thoughts I've been dealing with for years I don't want it in my life I don't to be away from God because of that sin and I don't want it to stop God from working in my life blessing me and stopping me from living a holy life
And being a good husband because I want a good Godly wife( I'm still a virgin and I've never been in a relationship, and I do get frustrated about that)
this has been going on for such a long time sometimes you feel like God doesn't want to help you because of your failures or that I know there's a way I can be free but I don't know how to get it cuz people say abiding in Christ or walking in the spirit I know that Christ died for everyone meaning meaning everyone can go to heaven that means everyone has the opportunity to overcome those sins they struggle with and get the victory they want
May I suggest seeking help from a local pastor? These temptations are normal and can be overcome. Find support in your life to get you through.
Start at 9:45 And onward from there, and really listen carefully my friend.
9:45 to 13:20 is the heart of this teaching. 🤗
Romans 12: 1,2. Fill your mind with the Word of God every night before bed. This will help. Keeping yourself focused on Him brings perfect peace in all things. God bless you and keep you friend.
I would venture to say 90% of men here struggle with lust. Myself included... we are here with you brother. Scripture tells us to flee sexual immorality. God knows that it is poison to the human soul, especially men. So He tells us just to RUN! Only through the grace of God by dying to our fleshly desires can we make progress. Every time i struggle, i also pray for other believers that are facing temptation in the very moment that i am.
Jeff, I think your beard is cool, but it would be cool to see you without a beard. People say I should grow a beard, but I think I would look like Blackbeard the Pirate if I did. LOL. Anyway, enough of the "Beard" stuff I totally agree with you that Sola Scriptura is the way to go. For anybody to be against the word of God "like most Catholics" are just amazes me. I mean how could one say Scripture is not the ultimate authority?
Wow I expected durbin to at least not strawman the Catholic position. I was really wrong.
This is why people are becoming Catholic, you give misrepresentations and then tare them down as if you actually dealt with the issue.
This is pretty low
Attacked straw men and misrepresented every orthodox and Catholic doctrine.
These free speech advocates keep editing my comments yo!
You forgot to mention the debate a few weeks ago between Calvinist James White and Catholic Trent Horn, listen to it on youtube if you want an honest debate on this topic.
Whats the point of pastors if you can interpret the bible yourself, and what's the point of church
The point of the church is for a local gathering of believers to be taught the gospel; the word of God (the doctrines of grace) under biblically qualified pastors and elders. See Titus 1 and 1 Timothy 3.
@@patrickc3419 but why do I need some pastor to teach it to me if I can interpret myself. What makes a pastor qualified, some bible college degree
You cant mischaracterize the catholic church anymore. Anybody with the internet can go and see what catholics believe. Jay Dyer has destroyed SS so many times i lost count. Trent Horn definitely defeated James white…. White admitted that sola scriptura wasnt possible until at least the 4th century, that it took time to develop. Then in the q&a, he said catholic traditions began as an authority in the 2nd century! What an admission. Sorry guys we just want you to come back home! We love you! Peace be with you brothers in christ.
Jimmmy Akin also
You preach Sola Scriptura and yet you condemn the Dred Scott decision? Take a gander at Leviticus 25 or what Paul has to say to his slave friend. God was totally down with owning slaves and considered them the property of their owners. The God of the Bible would have endorsed the Dredd Scott decision. Talk about a major fail of epistemology!
Sir, the God of the Bible (the only God who exists) calls the slavery of which you speak a capital crime (see Exodus 21).
@@patrickc3419Leviticus 25 is about enslaving non- Hebrews (chattel slavery). Exodus 21 is about Hebrew servitude. The conditions God placed on Hebrew servitude were awful:
4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
50:55 Well this is Nicene Creed:
"United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
*Nicene Creed*
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
*I believe in one*, *holy, catholic and apostolic Church.*
*I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.*
Amen."
You love most of it except the last part.
Just like in the Old Testament where all priests came from the tribe of Levites, so too there is a similar thing all priests come from the Catholic Church.
Roman Catholics do have a place where we have in infallible teachings of the Church. It is called the deposit of the faith which is a book called the Cathecism of the Catholic Church.
Here is one printing of the book in Amazon:
www.amazon.com/Catechism-Catholic-Church-Ascension-Press/dp/1954881649/
Here is the actual document on Fiducia Supplicans (English), so that your viewers can read it for themselves:
www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html
On the Nicene Creed, I think you believe in everything except the Authority:
ruclips.net/video/-8v170oWas8/видео.htmlsi=eSkuj954xtJstnBC
(See minute 1: 55 in the video)
And differences between Apostle's Creed and Nicene Creed:
ruclips.net/video/dH5StNyn0gY/видео.htmlsi=37AeKtYZMYTUtuP1
Here is differences in words:
scborromeo.org/ccc/credo.htm
(I am sure your church took a copy of the Nicene Creed and deleted the part about believing in "We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church." ? I don't know when that was taken out by the Reformers (Protestants or Separated Brethren).
Here are reasons why some Protestants converted or reverted to Catholicism:
Evangelical:
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Presbyterian / Anglican
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There are many stories:
Just search on RUclips " EWTN Journey Home"
Here is a revert Jeff Cavins... Who developed our Bible in a Year Study here on RUclips:
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Here is Bible in a Year on RUclips which I am currently taking Day 93!!!
m.youtube.com/@TheBibleinaYear
Your statement on we like tradition was quite funny... You like it has only as it is not Roman Catholic Tradition.
We do say the Nicene Creed at EVERY MASS...
Here are the things that truly separate the Church and our Separated Brethren ... (well besides Apostolic Succession and Authority...
By the way, when it comes to the schism with the Eastern Orthodox... They are our closest brothers, but they still have apostolic succession and 7 sacraments. Oh wait, there is yet another key objection you have with Catholics and is in the Nicene Creed... We believe in the forgiveness of sins... As it relates to the Sacrament of Penance or aka Confession.
Really the biggest difference between the Separated Brethren and us Catholics is in every day life:
The 7 Sacraments
which includes those which are the most practical Confession and the Eucharist... but if you read John 6...
you will know the Catholic Church is the one true church. Be have been obedient for nearly 2,000 years...
Here is it being read and explained to you:
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Here it is in the Catechism in a year Day 87:
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Days after May be interesting.
Where you are definitely wrong are the blasphemies you say about the Virgin Mary. Those things said are absolutely horrible.
Here is what we say about the Virgin Mary in the Catechism:
www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p6.htm
Here is a very good article on the Virgin Mary:
marian.org/mary/in-the-catechism
If you go to Revelations 12 you will read about her in end of times (beginning and towards the end of chapter)
I don't like quoting just some verses but I must...
So Revelations 12:10-17
Or read to you:
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So Israel, Church or Virgin Mary
1. According to 2Timothy 3:1-17, taken in context, Scripture is limited to the Old Testament only, and includes all of the seven Old Testament books rejected by the reformers.
2. Scripture does not provide the canon of inspired books within Holy Scripture.
Therefore, how does the Scripture believer know which books are inspired and which books are not?
3. Scripture does not provide us with a list of uninspired books such as the Gospels of Peter, Paul, and Thomas, and does not explain why those books are not in the Scripture believers Bible. How can the Scripture believer differentiate between which books are inspired and which are not?
4. Scripture does not provide us with the word "Bible". How then can an Scripture believer even use the word?
5. Therefore Scripture believers have no way of knowing that the book which they call the Bible is the Bible.
6. Since Scripture believers cannot show which books in the Bible are inspired,
then they have no right to even call theirs an inspired Bible.
7. Scripture does not provide us with the word "Trinity". So why do Scripture believers even use the word?
8. Scripture does not define the Holy Trinity. So why do Scripture believers think it even exists?
9. Do you believe in "Original Sin"?
Well the words "Original Sin", taken together, are not in the Bible, so how can you believe in it?
10. Do you believe in the "Incarnation"? How can you when that word is not to be found in Holy Scripture?
11. Do you believe in the "Ascension"? How can you when that word is not even in your Bible?
12. Do you believe in something called the "Rapture"? How can you when the word is not to be found in your Bible?
13. Do you believe in "Christianity"? Well that word cannot be found in the Bible either for Scripture believers.
14. Do "Protestants" not exist at all simply because that word cannot be found in Scripture?
15. Where in Scripture are the words, 'we are saved by faith alone'? I can find just one verse where the words "faith" and "only" are found together and there is that little word "not" before them,
"You see that by works a man is justified and not by faith only", James 2:24. I cannot seem to find words in support of 'faith alone', except in Martin Luther's German Bible, where he added the word 'alone' to Romans 3:28. The book of James was a thorn in Luther's side, as it contradicted what he taught. That is the reason why he called that book "a straw epistle", meaning it was good for burning.
16. The words "Sola Scriptura" do not appear anywhere in the Bible, so how can any Scripture believer poScriptureibly practice it? By its very name, Sola Scriptura, if it is not in the Bible, then it simply is not to be believed. I get that answer all the time from Scripture believers who try to tell me that "everything" is in the Bible, in spite of the fact that the Bible in no way says that. However, the Bible does say that everything is not in the Bible, which is just the exact opposite of what Scripture believers tell me. See John 20:30, and 21:25.
Who should I believe, what Scripture believers tell me, or what the Word of GOD says?
17. Tell me about the workings of Scripture at the very beginning when the Church was founded by Christ in about 30 A.D., and the first book of the New Testament, 1TheScripturealonians, was not written until over twenty years later? If you would read the book of Acts, you will find that the Church was growing very fast during that period. Three thousand were added in only one day in Acts 2:41, and in Acts 2:27, more were added every day. Acts 4:4 mentions five thousand more believers. How can any Scripture adherent explain this fabulous growth without a New Testament to guide these early believers?
Would an Old Testament Scripture suffice for New covenant teaching?
18. Scripture could not poScriptureibly have worked for the first 374 years of Christianity (aScriptureuming it began in 30 A.D.), since there was no New Testament at all as we know it until 404 A.D..
19. Scripture could have not poScriptureibly have worked for over one thousand years after the Latin Vulgate of 404, since the printing preScripture was not invented until 1450 and all Bibles had to be laboriously copied by hand before then. It is estimated that each Bible took from ten to twenty years of a monks daily life to reproduce just one copy. A beautiful opulence abounded in those copies, as many were decorated with real gold and precious jewels. The cost for each was prohibitive. Who of the common maScripturees could afford one?
If GOD needed Scripture then why did He wait over 1400 years before creating Gutenberg so that he could invent the printing preScripture?
20. Sola Scripture could not have worked at all with the prevalence of illiteracy running as high as 95% for so many centuries.
21. The false man-made doctrine of sola Scripture does not appear anywhere in genuine historical writings before Martin Luther came along in the sixteenth century and "invented it".
22. How does the Scripture believer know which Scripture interpretation to believe since each one is his or her own pope? One teaches one thing and another teaches just the opposite. That is the main reason why there are tens of thousands of Scripture believer sects* in the world today, all teaching something different, and all saying "the Holy Spirit told me". Who has the authority for the Scripture believer to say, "This is the one true meaning of Scripture"? The answer is that there is no authority. It is every Scripture believer for himself in Biblical interpretation which is forbidden by Scripture itself for any Scripture believer to do so, Acts 8:26-38, 2Peter 1:20, 2Peter 3:16.
*The World Christianity Encyclopedia, a Protestant publication. It lists 36,400 as of the middle of 2003.
23. If "everything is in the Bible", so I am told by Scripture believers, then why do Scripture believers not believe and practice all of Scripture? Why do they reject large portions of it? Here are some examples of what they reject:
* The three verses I just listed which collectively say there is to be no private interpretation of Holy Scripture.
* 1Corinthians 11:2 and 2TheScripturealonians 2:15, which say to hold the traditions. Scripture believers say do not hold traditions.
* 1Timothy 3:15, does not say the bible is the pillar and foundation of the truth, but it is the Church.
* John 10:16, that there shall be one fold and one shepherd, and not the tens of thousands that Scripture believers have formed.
* 1Corinthians 1:10, that you all say the same thing and that there be no diScriptureensions. Well I have just shown that all of the thousands of sects teach different things, and it is diScriptureensions which cause them to split and form even more sects.
* John chapter 6 which Scripture believers say is #HYPERLINK "symbol.htm"# HYPERLINK "symbol.htm"symbolic, yet the same ones say that the rest of the Bible is literal.
* Matthew 16:18 that Jesus said church and not tens of thousands of churches.
* Matthew 28:20 where Jesus Christ promised to be with His one Church every day in every century until the end of time.
* Luke 1:48, 'Henceforth', means from this moment on. 'All generations', means just that and I presume that it includes everyone who is reading this file. 'Will', is a command and not a suggestion. 'Call me bleScriptureed'. In all of my extensive conversations with Scripture believers, not a single one has ever obeyed the command of this verse. This verse is proof positive that Scripture believers do not follow Holy Scripture, but pick and choose what fits their false beliefs. It is a clear violation of James 2:10,
"If someone obeys all of GOD's laws except one, that person is guilty of breaking all of them."
* Luke 2:51, Scripture tells us that the creator of the universe was subject to a creature, His Mother, BleScriptureed Mary, for the first 30 years of His life. Why don't Scripture believers acknowledge this fact?
* Deuteronomy 4:2, 13:1, Proverbs 30:5-6, Revelation 22:18-20, 'Do not add to or subtract from Holy Scripture' (see #24 below).
* Deuteronomy 12:8, 'You shall not do as we are now doing; here, everyone does what seems right for himself'.
This is yet another condemnation of individual interpretation of Holy Scripture. "If it fits my interpretation it is right for me".
* Revelation 21:8, 21:27 and 22:15, that liars will never make it into heaven.
* Romans 1:18 and 2:8, meet with wrath for those who are contentious and do not submit to the truth. Well I have shown from this lengthy list that Scripture believers are guilty as charged for closing their eyes and ignoring the verses I have listed in this section. They certainly do not submit to the truth of Holy Scripture. Isn't saying that they obey Holy Scripture, while at the same time ignoring large sections of it, being hypocritical?
A verse which I have previously listed cries out to be repeated at this point:
"For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it."
James 2:10, RSV
"If someone obeys all of GOD's laws except one, that person is guilty of breaking all of them."
James 2:10, GW
Then there is 1 Peter 4:17, a verse of which all Scripture believers should be aware as they keep in mind the many commands of Scripture which I have listed above and of which some are not obeyed:
"For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?"😎😎
The Torah is absolutely inspired. So are the Prophets. Deuteronomy 13 is the test to see if any prophet, teacher, dreamer, or authority is true or false. I believe all of the 27 books of the "New Testament" pass that test. I believe the books that are included in the modern Bible are there because they A: pass the Deuteronomy 13 test and B: pass the historicity tests through the centuries.
That being said, there maybe should be more writings from the apocrypha that could be included so long as they pass the A and B tests. Some of them might, and some of them are very questionable. I am not an expert on that.
I recommend just reading the scripture and doing what it says. Start with Genesis.
Maybe we have all missed some thing - did Jesus not say man cannot live on bread alone but on every word of God.
Many times - as it is written and will remain written -
We have all gone astray even us protestants hold on to more traditions than what scripture alone actually says eg. The Sabbath is the seventh day - Pass Over and easter are not the same feast even though Paul says in Corinthians we should keep the Pass over feast.
Catholics also claims that the bible is the Word of God ( to not know the Scripture is to jot know Jesus).
Check the catechism ( I think 2170 or around there).
We must stop pointing our fingers at RCC and examine ourselves first and put our own house in order.
@@arlindodossantos2305 Yep, read the Bible and do what it says. Any doctrine contrary to God's word is false.
These are some of the weakest arguments I have ever seen, and everyone is now dumber for having read it.
Debate Sam Shamoun, Perry Robinson, Ubi Petrus, Jay Dyer, Erick Ybarra or any of the other Catholic/Orthodox apologists on this and cook if youre that confident lol...
James White, an elder at this church, debated Trent Horn a Catholic apologist on Sola Scriptura a week ago lol.
@@AttackDog0500 Yeah I know... it was bad. White might be a better apologist for Prots becoming Catholic then even Catholic apologists are. Plus, you're talking about White, is White the one presenting here? Or is that Durbin? I'm talking about Durbin. For some reason he hasn't debated any of the EO/Catholic apologists. What's the reason?
@@jacobwoods6153I disagree. I was at both debates and thought both debaters did a good job. As a protestant, I believe James adequately answered every question. Most of the questions he knocked out of the park. I say this while I laughed with (not at) Trent on several of the funny points he made and was impressed with his memory and debating skills.
In my opinion, James won the first debate by showing the contradictions among Catholic traditions and the absurdity of a claim of verbal tradition that can not be defined or identified until it's dogmatically defined by Rome. The only way we can infallibly know first century doctrine is through Scripture. The best point Trent made was not having a Canon without the church infallibly defining what books belong. However, James refuted this point by saying that Trent's argument is standing in opposition to Jesus' use of the OT Canon.
I think Trent lost the second debate for himself when he contradicted his own church's traditional view of purgatory. His Scriptural arguments were weak. I heard no convincing argument from the Bible or early church history for purgatory.
@danielwood8840 Yeah, I was Reformed and was a White follower. I have heard this over and over again that he caused (insert name) to become Catholic... You might disagree on the debate results, but people's experiences/testimonials of James causing people to become Catholic is a witness to people coming to a different conclusion. That's ok, keep quoting the Fathers, keep getting Prots interested in them, keep debating Catholics, and they'll keep leaving Protestantism for Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
Which statement in this video did you disagree with, and upon what biblical basis? Give the time stamp.
If scripture is as perspicuous as it is claimed to be, and if _sola scriptura_ is clearly taught in the Bible, why is a whole series of talks on the subject needed? Just provide the verse which says that scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith for the Church. Thanks.
Jesus gave Peter the Authority through the Holy Spirit to build the Church. He didn't say write a book. Remember that Catholic bishops created the Bible.
Bro no sorry 😂
But Peter did write two epistles to the church wherein he only says he was "a fellow elder" and not the pope...
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 If Mary named Yahshua (Jesus), the *proper* name: *"Rock"* , Christ's name would have been *"Cephas"* (John 1:42, 1Cor. 1:12, 3:22, 9:5, Gal. 2:9) in the Aramaic and *"Petros"* in the Greek, and "Peter" in the Greek to English. There is only ONE way to Say the *proper* name ROCK and that is CEPHAS in the Aramaic and PETROS in the Greek. If Mary had named Christ "Rock" we would all be calling Christ *"CEPHAS or PETER"*
Christ is not called a PETRA! *Only a female*DID YOU KNOW* If Mary had named Christ "Rock" we would all be calling Christ *"CEPHAS or PETER"* It is no mistake that Christ named Simon, "Rock" . Christ knew exactly what He was doing and how offended you Protestants would be because you despise authority.
e can be called, "Petra"* ! *No Jew or otherwise DARE call Christ, "Petra"* they would properly call Him "Petros" (Peter). Who cannot see that one is female (Petra) and the other is Male (Petros) !!!
*Christ knowing all things from the beginning, reserved both the name and title "Rock" to be given to Simon from the beginning of time.*
*The Protestant's won't admit this because, they know they are in rebellion and despise authority*
Where did Jesus give him alone that authority?
That’s not what Jesus said. Its not what the writers of the New Testament believed. It’s not what the 2nd and 3rd 4th century fathers believed. You were lied to. A power hungry man or men made up that teaching for power and greed sake.
If the scriptures are so clear and a person just needs to prayerfully read them to understand them, why are thousands and thousands of protestants always listening to thier favorite preacher/teacher to learn how to read and understand svripture? Very strange thinking.
There are over 900 different recognized English translations of the bible used in Christianity today..
I find it difficult for one to honestly teach Sola scriptura while also ignoring the 900 different English translations .. total hypocrisy.. it's gaslighting
Huh? That makes no sense
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 my thoughts exactly
LOL!!!
@@Yesica1993 😄
We believe in Sola scriptura, that it's infallible word of God, but we're going to change it 900x????
How bout leave it alone?
Common prot L
Forced-birth extremist: My religion says you can’t have an abortion.
Me: Your Bible says life begins at first breath; clumps of cells don’t breathe air in the womb. Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being.”
The first man that became the first living being was delivered from a woman's womb? Thank you for enlightening me, all along I thought it meant that God created man (Adam) from dirt.
@@ljshoreslokal He didn't have life until he breathed...something that is any womb can not! But you are the one that believes in fairy tales...it's your stupid stories that you a forcing upon humanity.
@@ljshoreslokal The first man didn't live until his first breath. Before breath there is no life. It's your stupid book...you should probably learn to understand words.
@@ljshoreslokal Yes the stupid books says he didn't become a living being until he breathed into his nostrils. Is the book lying?
@@royhiggins7270 You're trying to use this logic to justify killing babies in the womb? You're sick. Please do no reproduce.
This pastor's ego is as big as his head. To believe in sola scriptura alone is to not get the full truth.
What full truth is that?
Sola Scriptura is a man-made tradition.
I can’t wait to see how @HowToBeChristian responds to this 😂