Beautiful Argument w/Mormon at the Temple
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- This is the actual footage of an witnessing encounter outside of the Mormon Temple in Mesa, Arizona. If you see one encounter between a Christian and a Mormon we hope it is this. This is took place during Apologia Church's evangelism outside of the Mormon Easter Pageant.
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The young Mormon asks, “who says we cannot add to the words of the Bible?” I’ll tell you who… A DIRE WARNING FROM GOD in Revelations!
REVELATIONS 22: 18,19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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@@AlohaAngel1111Amen
@alohaangel1111 take a look at how the chronological order the Bible was put together. The way you are interpreting that scripture would mean that half the New Testament isn’t true. Because it was written before the other letters were and before the Bible was put together. Those words talk about specifically about those specific prophecies. Not the Bible as a whole because the Bible as a whole wasn’t created yet.
@@AlohaAngel1111that text in revelations was referring to that book and not the Bible! Interestingly enough some of the Bible books were chronologically written after revelation's! As per having more words no one can limit how much God can give us
This Mormon guy is such a gentle soul. I hope God’s knowledge is revealed to him in scripture
Cornelius Lamb, a men🙏
Not his lady friend...
lamontshandy you saw that too huh
We have to be in Jehovah's organization to receive Jehovah God's knowledge. We can't serve both.
his wife wasn't having it. she walked off lol
"We don't adjust the word of God to out beliefs; we adjust our beliefs to the word of God."
Well said Jeff.
He's fooled himself.
@@mattr.1887How so?
🙄
No proof that the Bible is the word of God.
There's no proof we didn't just come into existence 5 minutes ago with the appearance of age. Prove math exists and it's not just a thought in our head. Prove your consciousness exist...scientists have no clue what it is.
There's no such thing as proof really, just evidence of. The Bible infact has the most evidence of any other religion.
What do you believe?
@@mattr.1887 ever thought about what you are saying?
I left the LDS church after doing my own intense reading of the New Testament. My family is now going to a non-denominational church where we hear preaching about Jesus every Sunday. I love it. Thank you.
Praise God.
+C. M. Felos
That's great to hear! Well done! Now I say this encouragingly, please try not to be just a "Sunday" Christian.
We also need to be doers of the Word not just hearers of the Word.
While it's good to go to a good church for fellowshipping once a week, please remember that your relationship with Jesus is through studying and living His word and not just listening to a preacher every Sunday.
Like they say, and I'm sure everyone has heard this before, sitting in a garage all day long doesn't make you a car and neither does sitting in a church every Sunday make you a Christian.
God bless. Praise and glory to God and to Jesus!
+Adam Goodword I think that the LDS church does a great job of teaching it's members to study scriptures as a family... a tradition that we will certainly keep. The challenge is to stay connected to a church family. The LDS church is super good at that too. Give everyone a job and they feel connected.
C. M. Felos
Every man a janitor! ;-)
+Dean Mawson (Jesus Defender) It's the same Jesus. I just have a better understanding of him and have a better relationship with him.
This pastor is so well spoken and clear in his speech. He is truly gifted by the Holy Spirit.
I was thinking the same thing. He is truly gifted and he is sharp but so disarmingly humble. Not smarmy or snarky in the least bit.
niles then please go on show and talk to apologia. Or talk to dr jame white.
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Or he's so good at his job because he went to theological School that he's made a living preaching God's word and he has to know what he's selling so maybe he's just a good salesman and he wants to make money as a pastor most Pastors in the United States of America and across the world get paid to preach God's word it's absolutely abhorred to do such thing it should be a service that requires no money cuz now you're paying a pastor to hear the Lord's word so he can buy a plane a mansion a brand new car. I think it's just absolutely ridiculous so I think that he needs to know what he's talking about so he studies it all the time so he can sell God's word for a profit
Travis Armstrong sell Gods word for a profit? I don’t believe they should have big mansions and super expensive cars. But should pastors be homeless beggars on the street? Should they not be paid at all?
1st Corinthians 9:9
9For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” b Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?
13Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
@@kedduff1814 The more converts he gets the more money he gets.
Who is he accountable to for how he spends that money?
Certainly not you. Not the congregation. He can make as much money as he wants and spend it on anything he wants. And because of this, he's incentivized to preach falsehoods to make more money. Because the more appealing his message is the more money he makes.
Ever felt like it was a Friday, but it was Tuesday? We must not use our feelings as the gauge of truth, but trust in the word of God which does not change.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Do you ever have feelings about God? Or your faith? Have you ever raised yours hands in church and emotionally felt the power of God? ....be careful how you devalue the power and deception of feelings. This is the problem with religion. It's the same as a declaration of truth based on "faith" or "belief".
@@jesseminns hey Jesse! Hope you are well! Emotions are not bad, I do get emotional towards God at times but I can’t let my feelings be my gauge. Because As soon as my feelings take control, I comprise the truth. Hope that makes sense. God bless
@@jeffreybarnhart3725 The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick;
who can understand it?
Jeremiah 17:9
Nothing is wrong with feelings but it says our hearts are deceitful, so we should trust Gods word above all else. The Bible also says not to lean on our own understanding of things.
Great analogy
The hardest people to convert are the religious.
And political views...
@Barrier Boy What he said doesn't contradict what you said. It can still be harder for religious people to convert than non-religious people, even if thousands are converting. It just means religious people are harder to convince. I'm not sure if what he said was statistically accurate, because I haven't researched it, but the point is that he feels its harder to convert someone from another religion than someone who isn't religious.
5 point Calvinist’s fall in that category as well.
I guess it depends on what you want them to convert to.
Most atheists started with a Christian background
My husband and I are both ex-mormons, we now spend our days talking to the LDS about the true Jesus and we love watching you guys witness. Love your heart for Mormons, it's rare among evangelicals witnessing at Temple events.
Destiny Fletcher Amen I've came across many Mormons, but that's a blessing
Destiny Fletcher bless you and your husband!
Destiny Fletcher Our missionaries are told not to preach on the doorstep of others religious buildings out of respect but where is their respect?
DO NOT ERASE THIS SCRIPTURES PLEASE IS FOR YOUR OWN SALVATION, WE ARE SON'S OF GOD:
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. Psalms 82
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Psalms 82
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? St John 10
Tim Bobby
Except black people are not welcome right? Haha, get out blasphemer.
Acts 4:12
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
That was done very well. I appreciate the LDS member for being a great listener, too.
There were two not one. Saying "member" is diversionary. But if u don't get me I forgo the post.
Being a Mormon returned missionary he's really hoping he can change this pastors mind. They are both trying to convert each other. Hopefully the message and truth of the street preacher/pastor woke this lds man up a little
When I first saw this something in me hated it, but I kept watching. Then I realized how insidious the tendency it is for me to add to the Word and make it my own- but it isn’t mine, it’s His! I pray that the Lord continues to reveal to me that His Word is true and that in meekness I realize that my “personal revelation “ comes through His Word, not what I may try to add to it. He was, is, and will be perfect with or without me. 🙌🏼🙏🏻🙌🏼
Your patience and persistence are gifts from God. You use them well Pastor Jeff.
26:59 broke my heart.. he clearly has had his eyes open to the truth in this video. Its hard to admit when you’ve been led astray. Its hard to admit you were wrong this whole time. I feel compassion for this man because I was in the same boat, although a different church not LDS but the same boat.
I pray for God to open his and his wifes eyes to the truth of Christ. 🥺🙏🏼
Agree, and the Mormon could and most likely would loose his family, job ect for following Truth.
How would he lose his job by leaving LDS?
@@mattr.1887 Mormons take care of their own. If you are working in a Mormon organization and leave the church you are ostracized. It’s why most people stay who do not believe the lie any longer.
@@mattr.1887 some people think that their jobs are based on whether or not their LDS boss hired them based on their going to the same church.
First, the only way they could lose their job by leaving the church is if they work for the church. A private employer could be in trouble with the EEOC if they do that.
Second, that would probably only happen in Utah. The farther away you are from there, would be just the opposite; you could lose your job if you JOIN the LDS church.
I couldn’t stop tearing up watching this! This has increased my faith in the Bible and the living word! Thank you for sharing this!
I love the Bible, and the Book of Mormon. Have you read about all of the chiasmus in the Book of Mormon?
Beautiful jesse
@@Ether-pb5gb The Bible is the only authority I need to live under!
2 Timothy 3:16
2 Peter 1:20
John 17:17
@@Ether-pb5gb if you love the Bible, then you'd know the BoM is false
The Bible is a product of man. No different than the Book of Mormon.
So refreshing to see the respect and courtesy on both sides here. The Mormon gentleman comes across as rational and mature, so that helps a lot. But Jeff, you've gotten so much better over the years at putting people at ease during the discussion. Very encouraging, brother. Nice camera work, Marcus.
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Mark Lilly actually Jeff is telling this guy that what he believes in is false when the guy says that what he believes in is true. How can a person tell someone what they believe in is wrong? The guy Jeff is being extremely disrespectful to this Mormon dude.
Rsmdizz Dunski he’s not being disrespectful...he’s trying to lead him to the truth. The disrespectful ones are the false teachers and leaders. Leading this man down a path to destruction. He can’t tell him he’s half right, half right is only wholly wrong.
Rsmdizz Dunski You guys come to my doorsteps all the time to tell me I don't have the "full" Gospel.
Mark, Pope Jeff uses the same deceitful tactic that Satan uses. He knows nothing about eternity or the real truth.
I think many members of LDS church aren't even interested in the actual doctrines or searching...but it is a cultural thing. They are part of the Mormon community, their family are Mormon, their friends are Mormon, their activities are Mormon. To them it would be giving up almost EVERYTHING in their life. It's rough.
Only if they live in Utah, and the surrounding areas.
The majority of Mormons live outside of Utah; over half live outside the USA! And in some places, your nearest Mormon neighbor is an hour's drive or more.
Believe me, my family (mom and sibs) would be overjoyed if I left the LDS church.
Being a convert myself I'd suggest that for a fraction of the LDS that is true. But would you not suggest that the same applies to those born and raised in the Bible Belt? I can absolutely attest with experience that many of the protestants are culturally that way. I was "church of Christ" for 20 years....why? I was raised that way. I bought every church of Christ doctrine from each preacher that went to and received a church of Christ denominated theological degree. But then I studied for myself leaning more toward a non-denominational bible church. After having studied near death experiences for a decade something was off....there were doctrines from people that had KNOWLEDGE. Christians were mostly right, but missing some critical doctrines. That's when I finally gave into my preconceived notions of Mormons and studied their faith with a vengeance. I told God that if it was the restored Gospel he'd better show me. I was not ready for the shock. I've been LDS for 3 years and I know this church is restored. It has all the missing links from those that have experienced death. My christian friend once said "I don't know how Mormonism is growing.....none of the pastors in my Church think it's true and they study this stuff". That was from a rock solid Christian. So WHO is actually seeking on your side!?! I thank God that he finally broke me from anti-Mormonism. The gospel is restored. It's fantastic and I can't shut up about it. Blessings! "A non-UTAH Bible Belt Mormon"
*My christian friend once said "I don't know how Mormonism is growing.....none of the pastors in my Church think it's true and they study this stuff".*
I think that they mostly study how to destroy "Mormonism" because if it's true, then they have to find a new line of work. And I'm not being facetious here, I'm totally serious.
BTW, I'm not in the Bible belt, but we do have just about every religion known to man, and that's surprising to me, being outside of California as well.
true. There's no paid local clergy in the LDS faith. That's fiscal suicide to those who are financially vested to lead their flocks I suppose.
Daily dose. Read it before joining the church. It was not that convincing compared to the witness I received from studying near death experiences, reading the BOM and fasting/praying to know the truth. I also thought FairMormon responses were sufficient. Finally, I have an issue believing someone who rejects the whole of religion. If atheism is anti-Christ why would I believe the author of the CESLetter being led by the spirit of truth anyway. Take care.
How can they claim Josephs word is eternal, but t the Bible isn't?
Where do we claim this?
read the 13 articles of faith
@@danebagangan2009 I don't see that anywhere in the 13 articles of faith.
@@lindalds artical 8 says it
@@leawoodland3198 We believe the Bible to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
No where there do I see where Joseph Smith's word is eternal but the Bible isn't.
Do you accept the Bible as the word of God if it is not translated correctly?
And we know that the Book of Mormon, like the Bible, is only as perfect as the men who wrote it, the men who translated it, etc.
This is by far the most pleasent argument between two different religions.
Honestly as a Christian, his arguments are the best I’ve heard from a Mormon. But there’s no disputing what Jeff is saying. No matter what he can say, Jeff’s statements are fact and there’s no denying that. Praying for this man 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Except sola scriptura can be used against Jeff just like he tried to use it against this Mormon
Jeff is deceived
@@NolanHawkeyeAnthony how
@@NolanHawkeyeAnthonythat’s not… lol
@@x7judy because I can become a pope in my interpretation of the Bible as Jeff is and just refute him and it would be just as valid
Praying for this man.
Jeff could use a lot of prayers, as could I, and us all
Jeff, I really love your approach to people like this, you really have a heart for Jesus, and doing His will, as we all should.
I think hes doing his own will not Gods will . He says his "argument " with mormons . He brings about contention and contention is of the devil so hes doing the devils work without even knowing it ...or does he ? He does his work for profit. Beware of false "profits" . He speaks well because it's his job !
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@@travisarmstrong5479 Didn't Paul stir up contention against the Jews about Jesus being the Messiah? Wasn't Jesus mostly stirring up contention in calling people to repentance? By your standard, Paul was of the devil.
@@palerity6320well said
Thanks for not screaming in our faces and mocking us
only religious people do that.
jeff is on another level. Thank God for people like him. I wish i could diaologue with him
Yah it is hard to get a word in edgewise with a guy like Jeff
Same love Pastor Jeff. He is a blessing and addition to me knowing more about my faith.
Yeah, sure he is. He presupposes things that are not demonstrable and makes false statements. If he's on another level, it would be a lower level.
Which of his words were false? Those quoted from the Bible?
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711What false statements? Be specific 💁
Jeff is EXCELLENT at showing grace to those he is conversing with on touchy controversial subjects such as this one. He's a model for how Christians should approach ppl with opposing views.
All you have to do is say "I mean this respectfully" whenever you disagree.
Well said
If you mean it respectfully, then fully respect what the Mormons say about what we do and do not believe.
He is trying to treat the person with respect while showing the glaring error of Mormon doctrine.
It's not "Mormon doctrine" that's in error. It's what he says is Mormon doctrine.
"who do I follow?" Jesus! You don't need a religion to follow. Religion is man trying to get to God through works and traditions. Christianity is a relationship with Christ and relying on Him and Him alone to get to God. You follow Jesus Christ.
Jesus was constantly around believers teaching and encouraging them, discipling them. This is church. Hebrews 10:25 tells us that we should not forsake the assembling of the believers. We are to spur one another on to love and good deeds. I hate religion too. But I love Jesus, the head, and I love His body, the Church! One can't love the head without loving the body.
@@paulgregersen3570 Jesus is clearly the head and the Church the body. On a different note, the Bible never said to sell indulgences nor does it talk of purgatory, or required works to enter heaven.
@@paulgregersen3570
God is sovereign and He decides when church doors open and close. By the way church planting is the best way to grow the kingdom of God. Churches were springing up everywhere as the Apostle Paul and the other apostles spread the Gospel. I care about the true church, the church that will hear well done, good and faithful servant. Not the one who will hear Depart from me, I never knew you. There are many people in church buildings in both these categories. So, it is only by a continuing love relationship that anyone will ever be saved. This will not happen because they go to Church. They go to church because they are saved.
No, Jesus clearly mandated an organized church
Paul Gregersen
No church ever has saved anyone John 14:6
"I feel, I feel, I feel" that's the problem
Long before I knew anything about the LDS church, my Sunday school teachers taught us a song that included the phrase “every time I FEEL the Spirit, moving in my heart”.
It’s when you don’t feel that you have problems.
***The god of this age has Blinded the Minds of Unbelievers,
so that they CanNot See the Light of the Gospel that
displays the Glory of Christ, Who is the Image Of God!!***
(2 Corinthians 4:4)
***And when He Comes, He will Convict the World in Regard to Sin
and Righteousness and Judgment:
(9) in Regard to Sin, Because People **DO NOT BELIEVE IN ME(CHRIST);**
(John 16:8-9)
***Then they inquired, “What Must We do to Perform the Works of God?”
29)Jesus replied, “The Work of God is this: to Believe in the One He has Sent!!”***
(John 6:28-29)
Where can I get your (or even someone else's) material when speaking at the temple or with mormons in my community? Such as the pamphlets you were passing out? Thanks!
Michael Kober did you ever get his pamphlets? I come across mormons alot since they send them to our town to do their mission work.
@@allmanart57 I'd be willing to bet that if you attend an LDS service in your town, you would be surprised to find members that you know outside the church. I know I did.
Jesus spoke a parable in Matthew 21 about God first sending prophets and last sending his son meaning after Jesus there will be no prophets. So mister Smith was a false prophet came after Jesus claiming to be a prophet with a vision and revelation.
After the revelation of John there are written that the revelation is complete, that if one add or substract the revelation will be eternally damned.
Gontainer: Acts 11:27 ¶ "And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Cæsar. 29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judæa:" Acts 21:10 "And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judæa a certain prophet, named Agabus.
11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul’s girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles." 12 And when we heard these things, both we, and they of that place, besought him not to go up to Jerusalem." Here the Bible demonstrates there were prophets after the death of Christ.
Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. It is talking about the Book of Revelation and not the entire Bible. Compare: Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." So, using your logic we need to get rid of the New Testrament and all the Old Testament after Deuteronomy 4.
The revelation of John was not the last book written in the Bible, chronologically. So according to you, other books in the bible written after Revelations should just get tossed out?
@@Ether-pb5gb There is a written word of God and it is completed.
There are prophets even now who foreknow the future but it is always according to the word of God. But they are not adding or modifying the word of God.
Agabus did not say anything that Paul did not know. There are multiple passages where Paul states that he must suffer and die because Jesus said to him, you must suffer and die for my namesake- and that message became the word of God as we know now. Agabus just confirmed it. It was not something new as Mormons do, rewriting or adding something to the word of God. They even have their own Bible. They are controversial, claiming that Jesus was just a prophet, not God and if you want to go to heaven then you must perform obedience and be part of Mormon's church.
"How do I know which one to follow?"
Follow the One, Jesus Christ!
Nobody’s gonna dig this perspective but I found it very interesting how quick to speak and control the conversation the woman was. But also how easily she was dismissed as soon as the preacher recognized her as merely a distraction from the real conversation to be had.
He could’ve just as easily never spoken a word to the man and just let the woman continue to quickly steer the conversation to a quick conclusion.
Once she was gently dismissed she literally just left. Like her whole purpose was to make sure the preacher didn’t speak to her man. Once it was clear he’d breeched her defense she wandered off and got some ice cream.
I feel like there’s a lot to that little interaction. I’ll be called sexist but I find that women are all too willing to run the show in the name of keeping status quo and not making waves. Even when waves need to be made.
Gucci gucci Maybe In general, yes, but I am the same way too often. Let us pray to boldly speak the truth, yet with gentleness and respect
@Juliana Russell if i was a woman and found a Godly man like Jeff, i would submit to him every single day.
@Juliana Russell im not saying that you wouldn't....im just saying.
@Juliana Russell Perfectly articulated! Gods word is Perfect. God knows what is best for us.
@Juliana Russell I completely agree. As a young man, i tried to do it on my own amd i failed miserably. Once married and the 2nd time living in sin. "Comon law" and now ive given my life to Jesus Christ. After being raised Jehovahs witness. But I never got baptised in the religion. God bless you too!
See that whole deal about "well I prayed and God gave me confirmation." Is a very contradicting thing to say. I can say what about a Satanist that prays to Lucifer and gets confirmation? Doesn't that mean you should believe in that? I can make up a god and pray to it and yes something will happen cause these demons pose and confuse.
The pastor is essentially saying that too. He thinks the LDS is not saved, not because of anything he is doing, but because of the ideas he has in his mind.
Muslim's are not Satanists. Islam is a Semitic rebuttal to Nestorian Christianity.
Point accepted.
No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost (not because it was written down in Greek so you must believe it). There were many things Jesus did not say to His apostles in life (because it was not time), that He would later reveal through the Spirit of Truth. People can twist, distort, and wrest the word of God all day long (given that many things Paul preached were hard to understand), but those that take the Holy Spirit for their guide will not be deceived. The NT addresses how to not be deceived by false spirits, so your concerns are answered in the Bible.
Ryan: Do you believe in the Holy Ghost (Spirit)?
I am amazed at how little the Mormon knows about the bible and he quotes absolutely nothing of the Book of Mormon. It seems like he just "feels" his way through his faith rather than following the Words of Christ.
Daniel Ramos: I thought the same about the Pastor!
Most follow the new revelations and the revelations of Joseph Smith. Its interesting that the book they claim as their foundation condemns many of the revelations they follow which is why they probably don't know much about the BoM, or the Bible. Also many of the doctraines that Jeff quotes to show their falpacies are not doctrines of the BoM.
@@tiffanywright6653 are you satan is not using you to lie? Please listen to this. I pray the lord will open your eyes!
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Matthew 7:2 Both obviously believe in Christ and are trying to do the best they can.
@@dleoburns no you didn't
His wife was gone in the first 5 minutes.... hopefully she watched this later with more of a open mind
Pastor Jeff, Thank you for this lovely witness. Your preaching is such a blessing. You have a lovely gentle kind way about you. I used to be a Mormon I came out through the witness of a Christian work colleague. Thank you for this video and the work you are doing. Every blessing from Ireland.
Gail, please give the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Book of Mormon another chance. The trinity is a man-made idea. Jesus did NOT pray to himself, but to his Father in heaven. He did not cry out to himself while on the cross. He cried out to his Father in heaven. The father and the son are two separate persons, just as Joseph Smith said
@@Ether-pb5gb the Bible describes the trinity
Pray for the Mormon people will seek a relationship with Jesus and know the truth, in Christ Alone. ♥️✝️ John 14:6
You witness in an extremely loving and calming way. I love it.
you have to admire this man's knowledge and clear headed thinking. Truly speaks in a caring way when he could clearly "destroy" his opponents arguments/beliefs.
I can't believe Jeff said Netflix and Chill 😂
13:48 she leaned in for a kiss and he looked forward :/ great video btw very well spoken
I noticed that as well...kinda awkward.
RIP
I was baptized Mormon went to church regularly until I was 14. I am now 55 I was saved back in February re baptized on Easter Sunday. I follow the word of God and the teachings of Jesus Christ. I go to the source for forgiveness and repenting my sins. I have never had such a thirst and hunger for the word of God. I praise Jesus he has done so much in my life already. I have figured out he was with me the whole time when I thought I was alone
The first sign of a cult: attack the validity of the Word.
To question the validity of his understanding of the word is NOT attacking the validity of the Bible.
@@lindalds
To believe and teach that the Bible has been corrupted is to fundamentally attack the validity of the Word. That is the Mormon understanding of Scripture.
@@tylerbuckner3750 we don’t teach that the Bible has been corrupted. We believe that there were corrupt men among those who put the Bible together.
The Bible is only as perfect, infallible and complete as the men who put it together.
@@lindalds
You should probably tell that to all the Mormon missionaries who say “The bible has been corrupted” every time a verse explicitly militates against Mormon doctrine.
@@tylerbuckner3750 first of all there is nothing we believe that goes against the Bible. Second the Bible has not been corrupted and no missionary should ever say it was.
I love that you can debate so lovingly. The fruit of the spirit shows and I wish I could debate with such an even tempered nature.
Pastor Jeff, you have changed my life for the better. Thank you.
This Pastor is like Thanos! Lol
He’s very calm yet savagely violent when quoting scriptures and ruthless at closing argument at the same time. God bless his soul!
Notice has avoid the following…. Genesis 1:26 "Let is make man in our likeness"
1 John 3:2 "We are the sons of God (...) we
SHALL be like him"
Psalm 82:6 "Ye are Gods, the children of the most high"
John 10:33-34 "Is it not written ye are
Gods?"
Genesis 3:22 "Man is to become ONE OF US"
Revelation 3:20-21 "I will grant to sit with me in my THRONE even as I also overcame and sat down with my FATHER in HIS THRONE"
Revelation 3:21, 21:7
Romans 8:17
Psalm 82:6
John 10:34
Acts 17:28-29
2 Corinthians 3:18
Galatians 4:1-2, 7
Ephesians 4:13
Hebrews 12:9-10
Isaiah 56:5
1 John 3:2
(All KJV) You don't have to agree with it, but don't say it's not in there.
Corinthians 8:5-6 where it says that there are MANY GODS, but ONE FOR US. Also Isaiah 43:10 is rebuking idolatry. It said "no Gods formed" - Gods aren't formed, they are eternal. Idols are formed. Also, Latter-day Saints literally believe that God will forever to the end of eternity will be our God. We will never have a new God. This is what Isaiah teaches.
Watching this as an atheist is pretty amazing tbh. Religion is such an interesting thing.
+Alan S As a fellow atheist, I agree! When Baptists aren't telling folks from other denominations how superior their Baptist faith is, they're telling each other how superior their personal faith is.
+Steven John That commentary is so judgmental. What is your rational for judging?
+JAMES SQUIRES it's because they are superior right? ;)
Can you prove that to absolute certainty?
"Nothing is ever proved to an absolute certainty". That part of your statement may be true, since you can not even define what is "absolute certainty", other than as a faith assertion. You can only be absolutely certain of something by faith. That is why it is important that your faith be in what is true; ie, the God of the Bible.
Jeff, I don't know you but I've watched your videos for some time. I am genuinely gobsmacked at your knowledge of the Bible. Specifically unpicking the elements contained, in a timely manner. I also say this to that Mormon man: be amazed that Jeff spoke to you. Such warriors for God are rare. I wish it were not so: People often remark that I know the Bible well: but to my shame I do not. What makes me sad is that I (in my local friends circles) am considered "good at knowing the Bible well" when I know all to clearly how little I know. I love you American Brothers and Sisters who earnestly seek out how to give strong clear authentic gospel - it is a much harder thing here in the UK to find it. The ground here is crying out because the people have turned away from Jesus of Nazareth. - I have been to America many times to do Gods work and I feel a constant willingness and openness that is missing here.
4200? India has over 350 million deities and your argument has no flow? Please clarify.
Conrad Bate
to most unbelievers we are theologians
Conrad Bate keep up your studies brother & when you come back to America, preach the Gospel to my fellow Americans, they desperately need the Good News.
It is quite remarkable that he can read and memorize 5 lines at a time from Protestant translations of Our Holy Bible and pre-write arguments to impress on unsuspecting and unprepared victims, isn't it?
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Works will not save you only Christ can save you. Good works are a byproduct of faith in Christ. Good works are the fruit of the tree, not the root.
Which is why members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that we are saved by faith!
According to this pastor, we are saved by theological knowledge!!! He is wrong!!!!
Ether 12:27 if you call trusting in Christ in his finished work on the cross alone to be saved, theological, yes then Jeff is right.
Ether 12:27 you have to be honest ethet, the LDS church believes without those works there will be no exaltation
The Chatolic church is the most accurate James 2:24 "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone". The chatolic church was also the first christian sect which would be more accurate and the chatolic church has the most miraculous sightings by Mary mother of God and Christ himself and many other saints and prophets. And we have evidence search up my lady of fatima and look for the video of the sun dancing or moving in the sky.
God bless this man and this dear pastor.
Thank you Jeff! Great tool in witnessing to Mormon's. More please.
Wow, Jeff's love of God and his people is phenomenal. If all Christian could learn to love like that, the way Jesus tells us to with such gentleness, the gospel would spread so much faster. I'd be surprised if that man never gave another thought to the things Jeff shared with him. Because of his non-threatening manner I believe that young man was able to receive the message. Praise the Lord!💕
Jeff waking that young man. Wonder where he stands today.
Hopefully he hasn't embraced the falsehoods of the Trinity. It must be difficult being a Christian and having to explain the mount of transfiguration experience, the baptism of Jesus, John 17 or Jesus on the cross.... it must be DANG difficult to be a Christian and believe in those passages of the Bible
@@Ether-pb5gb 🤭
Why?
@@Ether-pb5gb so how would you jusitfy Jesus saying that he and the Father are one? Would that not be blasphemous to God if they were not one God but were multiple?
@@brandonviale8924 I am glad that you brought that up. When you look at the chapter in context, Jesus prays in John 17:21 "That they (the disciples/apostles) all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." ......This "one-ness" that Jesus prays for has to do with unity. It does not have to deal with being one being. Are the disciples/apostles one conglomerate apostle, in 12 different forms? No!!! They are individuals
Either all the Bible is true or none of it is true. No inbetween. No gray areas. I was born and raised Mormon till the age of 18..I'm now 48. I live in salt Lake City. Born again 1999. Jesus Christ is true and real. And He's coming soon and very soon!
Thank you for this video. For those who have never been Mormon it’s incredibly hard to hear the truth especially after you’ve been wrong your whole life. Pastor Jeff approached members of the Mormon church EXACTLY the way you’re supposed to. If you attack they shut down and don’t want to hear it. Believe me. If you approach in fellowship and have them explain THEIR version of Christianity, then and ONLY then will you be able to explain the true Christ. Thank you brother Jeff for doing what you do.
What a great witness you are Jeff!! God bless!!!
Hallelujah! Thank GOD the mormon guy has just started to see the Light.
This is so good! Love that 19 year old couple analogy!
Hey Jeff! Can you please post more videos of presuppositional apologetics on the streets? :)
We have dozens on our channel. :)
Lol I believe I've seen all of them :)
Pls can you upload street level presupp!!!
P.S I love your camera work ! Keep it going champ
God bless
+Nelson Jobe I think he will! Can't wait!! It's so helpful to use it to witness to lost souls outdoors! :)
she just walked away from truth.... ran...
Nope she walked away from someone who has no more knowledge in the "truth" than she does. Going off of faith.
exactly.. 🤤
Twice!
@@fuckthepolice.9410 Roshe run away from the truth of God for what the Bible says the Bible itself and by the way the Bible is infallible even know what the word infallible means? You probably don't infallible means perfect god is perfect his word wouldn't be his word if it wasn't a hundred percent perfect it is perfect god is perfect Jesus at the truth Jesus, it also is God, three different manifestations one God you got a lot to learn know she ran like she put her tail between her legs and ran basically she was afraid because she knew that she was going to be confrontational she a little bit of an attitude I didn't like that girl cuz she knew that she was going to be exposed for what she really is she don't know truth far from there's only one truth that's Jesus the truth of God the Holy Bible
@@nickjaramillo9688 You have no idea why she really ran away. You don't like her because of how she acted? Think about what the words you used that actually is saying.
“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,”
Revelation 22:18
*SIGH* The "book" that John the was referring to was the book (or scroll or text) he was writing at the time, on the Isle of Patmos. The Bible did not exist yet. The book of Revelation was written, chronologically speaking, before he wrote the Gospel of John. So the warning would apply to everything that was written after the book of Revelation. The warning does not apply to the Bible, which did not yet exist.
@@seel2835 It's clear John was referring to the Book he had just written. Revelation 22:18 is the direct relative of Revelation 1:3 and 11
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
He may have know that various works would eventually be combined into one large text like the Hebrew Bible was, but there is no evidence of that. He is referring specifically to the Book he was commanded to write: the Book of Revelation.
@@LHJlives Revelation business only talk about Revelation can talk about the entire Christian tax and it can stand true you failed understand that anyone who adds to this book or adds to the Bible in general what you can actually say buy that we taken away from them
The Holy Spirit will show all things
I sincerely pray this guy for His Salvation
“This is what the Lord says- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the Lord , the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,
Isaiah 44:24
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
John 1:1, 3-4
I love when these can be actual discussions instead of turning into arguments. I know from experience how defensive some people get on this subject. Really like that you were both very understanding about each other's views
Remember Brothers and sisters, Ellen G white one of the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist church who is considered a prophetess, plagiarized a lot of Joseph Smith’s writings. So did Mary Eddy Baker, and don’t forget the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree. Charles Russell was a Seventh-day Adventist and both the Seventh-day Adventist and Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was Michael the Archangel. I was a Seventh-day Adventist for many years in my life and praise God for the Holy Spirit that revealed his Son to me. The word of God is alive and well, whom the Son makes free is free indeed.
Saving one soul at a time..
Salvation is not a theology test. Acing the theology test doesn't earn your way to heaven
@@Ether-pb5gb If you believe in buddha will he get you to heaven? What if I told you I was lds but I don't believe in the book of mormon or d&c or that Joseph smith was a phrophet...you would undoubtedly say I'm not a mormon then. Same with christianity. If you believe you will be worshipped as the God of Israel is, or that the God of Israel was sinful man at one point that is incredibly important. If you believe Jesus is created , that's another huge issue. It's not minor. It's offensive to God, and a heresy that will lead you to hell.
I want Jeff's calm level. I get way to worked up (not in a bad way) about stuff I have passion for and have always been very jealous of people with this kind of calm.
I think pastor Jeff is so calm for two main reasons: He is well studied in scripture memorization 1Peter 3:15 and he is fully realizing the battle of a changed heart is God's work alone.
I wonder why they never talk about freemasonry in the temple.
@Martin England we don't have any in my protestant church so I guess I would say nothing but you mormons have a interesting history with the freemasons and the freemasons at the highest level worship lucifer
@Martin England evidence? You mormons have the freemasons symbols on your magic under garments
@@AeroZeppelin-rb4pt All of the Masons I know are Protestant. I would be willing to bet that you do have at least one Mason in your church.
And NO one worships Lucifer in the Masons.
I dont think alot of believing temple going mormons know that Joseph smith was a freemason. That was the first thing I found out that started me questioning the lds church.
@@leawoodland3198 I think most LDS do know that he joined the masons a short time before he was killed. And they don't really care.
I have had spiritual confirmation that told me the LDS Church is false.
God bless you pastor, you have strengthened my faith. May God protect you and watch over you
God Bless you brother Jeff, amazing how far you're willing to go to convince someone to come to Jesus...
Seems to me, as followers of Jesus he encourages us to share the good news of the Gospel to those who are willing to hear, but having free will he doesn't expect us to make someone's mind up for them, can you agree with this?
That was much more thoughtful then many conversations I have seen. Many members of my family are Mormon, and I want them to know they are sincerely loved, and we want them to have the truth of God's Word.
i love how they all say they have received personal revelation, anyone can say that about anything. i can be a liar to the core, but my personal revelation is lying is good. because thats my personal revelation, so was my revelation right?
Ive never seen a Mormon logically able to defend their faith. They always say the same thing, it feels right. Totally ignoring Satans role in deceiving mankind.
How do you know that it’s not you whom Satan is deceiving?
I have never seen a Mormon witness this well done....bless you for your grace and encouragement in this field.
6:07 "Woman just casually cruisin' through the argument."
This Mormon guy seems to really listen to Jeff. He'll come to the truth eventually, I'm sure of, cuz he's curious and searching it seems. He seem to really listen. I believe a seed has been sown and now Our Heavenly father just need to water it. Bless them both. Nice video!
Who is heavenly father? Is that the person that spoke during jesus' baptism? Is that the person that was praying to in John 17 and on the cross? Jesus is not our heavenly father. Jesus is the son of god. Don't believe in the man-made Trinity bull crap. Not true. Joseph Smith had it right. He saw TWO persons above his head. He saw the father and the son.
@@Ether-pb5gb Jojo is just a man, a con artist, I believe Gods word not his make believe garbage
Friends don't let friends LDS
iink ReDiBLe This needs to be a bumper sticker
Friends let friends do LSD so they can understand true spirituality.
@Broo Peterson Word up.
Friends let friends make their own decisions and that's coming from an agnostic. If my friend wanted to become LDS that would be their decision as long as their beliefs don't infringe on my life. USA has a strange ethos in controlling others in every way, even their thoughts and beliefs.
@@Ana_Cecilia615 How arrogant to think you know the one and only truth. Maybe you're deceived.
My grandparents are morman, and my dad picked up the some of the beliefs. Watching this I remember how they told me that Jesus + Satan were brothers. I’m a baptist, and nobody ever cleared that up with me. So I’ve went all this time thinking they were brothers. Oh my goodness, that’s a weird realization.
That doesn't even make sense. First of all How can Satan cast out Satan. 2nd that would make Jesus an angel or demon which is blasphemy.
Glad you've seen the truth. My parents always encouraged me to question the bible, if I am wondering about something, see what the bible says and do some research on it. But one has to practice discernment.
*Watching this I remember how they told me that Jesus + Satan were brothers*
I don't believe they said that. Not without explaining the entire subject of the Pre-existence.
I was Mormon too, and had a strong religious spirit about 'scripture'. You could say a Pharisee, even though the Pharisees didn't have the book of Mormon and neither did Jesus, i loved structure. When I realized that Gods word was preserved, and complete, it started washing all the small inconsistencies it had with what I thought was the Gospel. The fact that you had this realization, I praise God, because I feel like God is opening your eyes to His truth. That the Bible is complete.
@@paulgregersen3570 Yes, he was a Son of the Morning. An angel that fell from heaven and became Satan, the Father of Lies.
Can't wait till brother Jeff posts a video of his discourse with JEHOVAH WITNESSES!
H T. II Do you want to volunteer yourself as *the* Jehovah's Witness in question, to debate Jeff? 😁
UriYah Ysrayl JWs are so deceived
H T. II Michael cannot be Jesus Christ, considering that Jesus has full authority in heaven and earth, and Michael had to say the Lord rebuke you to satan
When Michael said the Lord rebuke you, who was he talking about, the Father or the Son? He was actually talking about the Son, thus proving Michael cannot be Jesus. Please read this passage in context in the ESV or look up the NET translation notes which can be found online, starting with Jude 1:5.
*>The rest of what Jeff claims are really just standard Trinitarian arguments easily countered and quashed if you know where and how to hit him.*
Look up the debate between James White and Greg Stafford. The topic is "Is Jesus God or a god." The JW apologist got totally destroyed...it was kinda sad and embarrassing to watch.
Amen. I love you brother. May God bless and watch over you through your ministry.
The patience, the clarity and the gentle love showed by Mr. Durbin simply astounds me. His approach is so methodical and logical, he leaves the poor Mormons grasping at their “feelings” with no where to go for refuge from his keen insights and vast store of memorized Scripture. And even though I agree with everything he says, I still find myself learning from the connections that he makes. Thank you, Pastor Jeff for your obvious love for these people and a zeal for Jesus. You’re a good man....
Been watching Pastor Jeff videos for years, when you truly love your fellow man and wish for him the salvation that our Lord has given us, this is one of the greatest example of evangelizing to other religions that are lost or confused of who the real Christ is....Love you brother Jeff, God has surely granted you the heart and mind to share the true Gospel....
The bible says to have no other gospel of Jesus Christ and the book of Mormon says on its cover "another gospel of Jesus Christ." It begins with contradiction and disobediance to the true Word of God! Read Gal 1:6-9, 1 Jn 4:1, 2nd Tim 3:16. Also, wonderful conversation!
SMH... when will you people stop lying...
"Another Testament of Jesus Christ"
www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm?lang=eng
Jesus christ is God
Do not believe every spirit but test the spirit to see if it is from God.
It’s terrifying. To find something you were raised to believe, something who you are is based on.
And then find out it’s wrong? My fear for Mormons is that not only do they turn away from their false doctrine but become so jaded as to turn away from the true doctrine as well.
That does happen to many. When I found out that the lds church was not true, I had a moment of floundering where I felt like I didn't know if I could trust that there even was a God. As soon as I asked the question, "who can I trust," I immediately got the answer that I could trust Jesus Christ.
This was a very interesting video to watch. Jeff, you handled yourself like a very intelligent and calm person, you listened to the other man and had a very good discussion. I myself am pentecostal, and I love Jesus, and I'd love to have a conversation with you sometime. Great video, keep it up, God bless!
The young Mormon asks, “who says we cannot add to the words of the Bible?” I’ll tell you who… A DIRE WARNING FROM GOD in Revelations!
REVELATIONS 22: 18,19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
We have added nothing to the book of Revelation.
I’m surprised Pastor Jeff didn’t speak about the Book of Abraham and how Joseph Smith came to interpret it and write it. He basically claimed had the gift of deciphering languages. Eventually he was brought an Egyptian papyri (you actually get this information at the LDS site) and claimed they were the writings of Abraham. He then “interpreted” them and claimed them as true. Many Years Later those Egyptian texts were found in a museum they were analyzed and to the surprise Egyptologist found out the text were a bunch of Egyptian conjurings to pagan gods. Nothing to do with the writings Smith interpreted. To top it off Smith claimed the papyri were taken away to heaven. Which proved he was a liar and false prophet. You give this information and you can dismantle an argument regarding the truth of Mormonism in an instant.
These videos answered so many questions and have been re-evaluating my life choices. Glory To Jesus....The real Jesus.
I would love to be a strong minded Christian like this guy to be able to talk to Mormons and J.W. and to be able to put rock in their show and to confuse them and bring the Truth of Jesus to them
Mormonism is based on "feelz".
Both Very respectful.
Where can I get the Bible tracs you guys use? I'm in AZ
James the he who keeps the whole law but stumbles on one point is guilty of all of it was something they used to beat me over the head. When I left the church I had completely accepted that I was going to spend eternity in hell or darkness. I am so glad to have found the true Christ if the bible.
The true Christ is also found in the Book of Mormon. I hope that you come to find the truth about the Trinity, that it is false! Christians believe that Jesus was praying to himself in the garden of Gethsemane!!! How crazy is that!!! Or that Jesus was pleading to himself on the cross!!! How crazy!!! What about Jesus baptism? The Trinity can't explain it. Joseph Smith had it right
@@Ether-pb5gb firstly I was raised in the church! I know what the book of mormon says. Secondly the true christ is in the bible! Thirdly the church teaches that your works will get you into heaven! When the Hebrew law died on the cross with Jesus! He lived the perfect life so we dont have to because we cannot! We are flawed imperfect beings! The only reason faith without works even applies is so that others can see us and identify us as his people. Fourthly any church that gives victims of rape the same punishment as their rapists cannot be of christ no matter what they say. You my dear are brainwashed. Get out while their is still time! Time is short. The only true Jesus is is the bible. God said there would be no other books of prophets after Jesus. So the entire premise of the church is false. It is satan wrapping himself in white to fool anyone he can. I'll pray for you.
We are saved by faith! Faith includes action. Faith is an action. According to your argument, you believe that salvation is a theology test! No it is not! Your church offers no hope for those who die without accepting Christ in this life, your church does not practice baptisms for the dead, which Paul and early saints had no problem with. Your church falsely teaches that Jesus is speaking to himself from heaven, and that Jesus is praying to himself. Did you really get leave the church because of the "after all ye can do" statement? Or because a Bishop/general authority made a mistake in dealing with a rape case? We aren't perfect. But through the blood of Christ, we can be justified. King Benjamin teaches us how to receive a daily remission of our sins.
@@Ether-pb5gb firstly. I believe in one god that is 3 beings. Christ did not have schizophrenia nor mpd. Secondly we are saved by the blood of christ that he willingly gave dying on the cross not only for our sins but for the pain of sins done to us. Thirdly I was baptized anew by the church i now attend. Fourthly. Being baptized by the dead has only ever been performed by the mormons. Something i had to do in my teens. So please do not try to lecture me on the faith that I was raised in. Fifthly. It was not just "a rape case" I was raped DAILY by family members and church members and sometimes they even let outsiders do these things to me! Before you get on your "Not the main stream" lds kick. Yes it was the mainstream church! I have never been to an flds group. I was 10 years old when I told! I only told to stop them starting on my baby sister who was 3 at the time. I caught him on top of her grooming her so she could be abused as I was. I got SHUNNED at 10 years old for this action. Only one of the people doing this got punished! He got SHUNNED. That was all he got for torturing a baby! Number seven. My autistic son was making too much noise at church they told me to never bring him back! That is the church you are defending! That is the belief system you hold so high above everyone and everything! You let man tell you what god wants from you. You worship a dead man and you mourn your faith. I can now say I celebrate my faith. I have a relationship with god! A living breathing living christ. You worship Joseph smith. I know this because I did until I learned better. You sing songs of praise for Joseph smith. I know because I sang them too. I remember when I was young I watched the prophet speak. I remember thinking "this is the closest I can get to heaven on earth" no that makes me Ill! Watch apologia studios videos. Jeff Durbin is amazing. Dont waste you life or your love of christ. The christ of the bom is not the true christ. He is not a judge he is your life , bread , your savior and your defender! I beg of you to search and find the truth before it is too late.
This Mormon is a great guy, but it's evident that he's not looking at the choices clearly. He went straight from saying the Bible is completely changed and compromised to saying the changes in the Book of Mormon don't matter.
brilliant!! SO courteous and respectful too!
You can see that man knows what he believes is wrong, in his willingness to explore for the truth. And he should be commended for being open minded. I hope he followed up with you. He can be saved
I disagree with you. I think that Jeff actually believes what Jeff is saying
@@Ether-pb5gb Jeff believes the truth.... obviously he believes what he is saying....
The mormom isn't so sure in his faith of a false gospel, and is curious to find the truth
Mormons believe they will be gods when they die...What was the first lie ever told to man? "...YE SHALL BE AS GODS"
DON'T STOP!
Gen. 3:22 ¶ And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
No, the lie was that they would not surely die.
@@lindalds I believe you're missing the point.
@@someguy9571 And what would that be?
@@lindalds That the idea that humans can be equal with God, the _only_ God, is false.
@@someguy9571 Most people have a father. Let's assume you have a good father.
Would a good father want his children to be as happy as he is?, be good parents to their own children? or would a good father want his children to be his little peons for the rest of their lives?
If you have children of your own, are you now equal to your father? is your father still your father?
Is a good father happy when his children grow up happy, and become good parents, good people, happy people?
I would say that Heavenly Father wants the same things for His children that He has, that make Him happy.
He says @ 4:58 -- "How do you get to the truth?" -- If he only knew the scripture, where Jesus made it plain and clear and said: *"I AM the Way, the TRUTH and the LIFE."* (John 14:6)
So simple, and yet the enemy has muddied the waters so much with false doctrines of misled people, using their pride to be haughty in their delusions of supposedly receiving a "new revelation", when Jesus the Messiah is the ONLY Revelation of the Truth we need for Salvation. Keep it simple: Believe in Jesus. Nothing else, nothing more.
“Can you change the fact that i prayed about it and know its true” omg thats SCARY. You can literally say that about anything
I have prayed about it too. I too have received a testimony that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, our Savior and Redeemer, and that the Book of Mormon, along with the Bible, contain the words of God. And no, you nor Jeff can not change that fact. Who are we to deny God's manifestation to us through the gifts and powers of the Holy Spirit?
The book or mormon is not the word of God. Its the word of Joseph smith. Joseph was NOT inspired to produce the works of the book of mormon. If you believe that then you night as well believe in the quaran, the Watchtower bible, the works of ellena white ect.
@@troymason4799 The Book of Mormon is God's word, and it was brought about by God's power and mercy. Like Ether 12:27 (excellent verse btw if you look it up you'll likely appreciate it) said, we receive our confirmation directly from God through His Holy Spirit. We do not rely on the arm of flesh to convert us, or to give us our testimony. Have you read the Book of Mormon for yourself? I promise that if you do you will be surprised at what you find.