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Did God lie in Psalm 82 when he called men that received his word gods, speaking it into existence, even if they weren't gods before? And Jesus Christ also when he used it as a defense against an accusation of blasphemy for saying he is the Son of God in John 10: 34-36? Or was Jesus Christ lying when he said that he and the Father are two separate men in John 8: 17-18? No, of course not. Nor was he lying when he said no other gods were made before or after God. For God is plural, encompassing many true gods, from multiple generations. That is the only way Hod and Jesus Christ aren't liars, destroying the Bible, and with it the Trinity. Is by having everything they say be true, still destroying the man made Trinity. You find the church that teaches this and you have the Jesus Christ of the Bible. All others teach a false Jesus Christ, and are an abomination to God. But I believe you already knew this, and have been intentionally bearing false witness.
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As a recent ex-Mormon, this was painful to watch. I know exactly how he felt and my heart breaks for him. Hopefully this will plant the seed for him and his heart/mind will open.
May God continue to bless you, brother. Hope you stick around with Apologia. Also, welcome to the family. You are loved by God and this adopted family welcomes you with open hearts. God bless.
@@austinsoper192 I've known of a few LDS and also a Jehovas witness who all end up feeling they can't trust themselves in matters of faith. As far as discernment. It's a typical thing that can come out of that when much of the language is the same and it's tied to the Bible. I hope you aren't going through that in any heavy way. That's a hard position to be in. Luckily just studying sermons and mostly taking in the word from the source can chop away those thorns. Stay strong in the faith, brother. Be a fighter. Surely in areas of struggle or idle times reach out to as many brothers as you can.
Dear @@austinsoper192, I don't know the particulars of your situation, but first of all, praise God! Secondly, if you ever need encouragement, do a search for testimonies by Andy Poland, Bart Pascoal, and Micah Wilder.
Called an LDS missionary to my house today to share the gospel! I’m so glad I did it! More I learn about Mormon doctrine, the more I realize it’s completely different than the biblical reality.
As a previous LDS missionary, and a member of the LDS church who is still practicing happily, I genuinely appreciate your care for those missionaries and desiring their salvation. Although, speaking from experience I'm sure they had most likely heard it all before and weren't phased 😅 it's always good to learn about each other, though!
@@danieltye2111 yes, traditions are a hard thing to break away from. I can show them clear contradictions and it doesn’t phase them. It’s truly amazing how the LDS church has a grip on their followers. Because if you are to leave, the church and their members typically disown you entirely. I live in St. George. My family is Mormon. So I completely understand the culture. Many things I respect about LDS members, but their core tenants are in total contradiction to scripture and history. God wasn’t a sinner like Joseph Smith said. God has been God from everlasting to everlasting. You can never become a god. I say this with respect and love. You must worship Christ in spirit and truth. And sadly, the LDS church teaches about a false Christ.
@@danieltye2111 it is crazy how LDS will hear the contradictions, stumble over their words, and you can see their brains processing the lies the LDS church has told them in these videos Apologia Studios posts. I pray for them that their eyes will be opened to the truth!
It's; HIS! lol! i am so glad that you Came Home, Solely by GOD'S Grace, apart from any works on your behalf, not of him who runs nor of him who wills, but Of/From GOD, WHO Shows Mercy, right‽ The Holy Church, The HOLY KINGDOM Is and shall not be prevailed against, but Is Crushing the Head of all who oppose The HOLY CHRIST; All enemies are being Placed Under HIS Feet. All Sovereignty, Authority, n Suppremecy [In Heaven and On Earth] Is HIS, YHWH YESHUA'S, Magnified †o †he Glory of The TRI-HAGION n TRIUNE YHWH!!!†!!!
@@kandisajyeman4499 When you worship a god that was once a man and deny Jesus Christ and say he is the brother of Lucifer, you have no chance of ever getting into heaven. God will not be mocked.
I was baptized LDS went to church some, but realized early that the Mormon faith wasn’t right. I am 55 I was saved and born again February 10th Baptized as a Christian on Easter Sunday. I know the truth now. Praise Jesus
@@djadams7795 aren't you a blind self righteous Pharisee. I testify that the truth will be known when we each one step into eternity. To go there with a false Jesus Christ will be a damning thing. The cleverest of lies always has a little truth mixed in. The grandest scheme Satan ever planted was to get souls to question the Holy Bible. And here we are.
Jeff, bless is heart, is not doing evangelism. He is proselytizing. His focus is to change their mind. To point out their error. No different than going into a Muslim country and trying to convert them. At some point you are throwing pearls to those who will no ever listen. Then you dust the dirt off your sandels and move on.
YES, It's so hard. How do we do this well? Grateful for these people. I could never. I am not equipped to bring people to salvation the way these men do. It's friggin beautiful. ugh.
@@tylerwarren8330 CHRISTIAN HUSTLERS CAN MAKE THE RUBE THINK THE ANCIENT HEBREW MYTHS ARE REAL, THAT THEY HAVE AN INVISBLE ENEMY CALLED SATAN AND THAT ETERNAL LIFE IS REAL, TOO. THESE CHRISTIAN BOTTOM FEEDERS ARE TRAINED TO MAKE ONE BILLION RUBES COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY WILLING TO DIE FOR A MAGICAL HANDBOOK WITH TALKING ANIMALS, CUPCAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND 'ONLY' 200,000 RAPED ALTAR BOYS AND 500,000 RAPED SEMINARIANS THINK THAT CHRISTIANITY IS A PAIN IN THE ASS!!!!!!!!! YOU MUST BE PROUD. HOW EDUCATED ARE YOU, TYLER? TYPE BIBLE CRITICISM ONLINE AND LEARN THAT THE CLEVER ANCIENT JEWS CREATED JEHOVAH GOD IN 950 BCE, THEN THEY STOLE SATAN FROM THE GREEK MYTHS, STUPID. YOU MERELY SUFFER FROM CHRISTIAN OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER. LET ME KNOW HOW GULLIBLE YOU ARE. I AM WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You truly are gifted Jeff please never stop witnessing. I've learned more from you and the likes of Voddie, wretched tv, James White etc on youtube then I have attending "church" for 20+ years.
Be careful when listening to Calvinists, they teach one has to be regenerated before they can even hear the gospel and believe it, the epistles teach the opposite. See Ephesians 1:13. Spirtual life is when one is born again, receiving the Holy Spirit, not before one hears the gospel, which is how one receives faith, see Romans 10:17;Acts 10; Galtians 3:2 Ephesians 2:8-9.
Greg Blevins what a misrepresentation. We believe that God must turn our hearts of stone into a heart of flesh (Ezekiel 36:26) before we can do anything that’s pleasing to Him. We believe that No one can come to the Son unless the Father draws him (John 6:44).
@@Rightlydividing-wx1xb Be careful of Calvinists? Why, because we teach that you can’t earn your salvation, but instead must receive faith and belief as a gift from God, aka born again; recreated; regenerated? You mean the only Gospel that doesn’t boast in the righteousness of mankind? Yeah be careful of those guys! Wouldn’t want to become someone who gives God all the praise and glory. That would just be terrible!
@@jtslev while I totally agree with you, you’ve come off totally condescending and a little arrogant which is wrong because just like you’re saying we cannot boast everything from our salvation to our knowledge of God and his sovereignty has been determined by God so I encourage you as a brother in Christ to communicate the truth more humbly to those who don’t have the truth. Also responding to the original comment elaborate at the quotations on church. A body of likeminded believers and the church body is essential for the life of a believer. While I too am appreciative of the tool we have in the internet to see people like Jeff and learn from him we should neglect our responsibilities to be the hands and feet of Christ in the local church
“It’s easier to fool someone than to convince them that they’ve been fooled.”😔Please Pray for the Mormons, they are good people, just very lost. 😔🙏♥️ Thank you for the work you do Jeff! All glory to God! God is so good! 🙏♥️ Praise Jesus!
"Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Christological issue of the divine nature of God the Son and his relationship to God the Father,[2] the construction of the first part of the Nicene Creed, establishing uniform observance of the date of Easter,[6] and promulgation of early canon law.[3][7] "
This man (the first man) is really respectful. If only every Mormon member had the same receptivity and gentleness. God bless him. God bless this ministry.
You could say the same thing about the Trinity or any other major "mainstream" Christian doctrine. Easy-believism. Reformed theology is just disgusting. There is a quote that says something like, "Who needs Satan when you have the God of John Calvin."
No... the difference is that Lucifer wanted all the glory and to be put ABOVE God. Let me ask you something... if you have a child, would you want them to become as great or better than yourself? Of course you would because you love them more than words can Express. And that's exactly how our Heavenly Father feels about us. He wants us to become like him!
Wow. So very, very, very frustrating. I ran into the exact same thing this weekend. I was able to share the true gospel of Christ with 4 of my Mormon relatives at our family reunion. I never could have done it without your work to teach and inspire me. Thank you!!
Modern Vintage Lifestyles They listened, gave twisted explanations for the scriptures that describe the nature of God and Jesus. I emphasized the importance of relying only upon the righteousness of Christ for exaltation (the mormon term for living in the presence of Jesus and God). I told them about the peace that comes by exaltation by grace thru faith. They thanked me. On their way home they all texted me individually not send them anything that would undermine their faith or discuss religion with them ever again. One of my older relatives said that she would never look at any anti-Mormon literature after I sent a video (by Mike Winger) that explained the different definitions for the terms used by Mormons and Christians. I continue to pray for them.
acrazyeagle1 If one is too scared to see opposing views then their faith is weak. There is no writings that will shake my faith. I MET GOD THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS. ITS TOO LATE, I ALREADY HAVE EXPERIENCED TOO MUCH OF GOD ! My flesh may be fooled but the Holy Spirit in me is not! My flesh will say, “man, that does make sense” while my Spirit says,” YOU MET ME THROUGH THE GOSPEL!” WE NEED SUPERNATURAL POWER TO HAVE AN ENDURING FAITH THST CAN ONLY COME FROM GOD. We cannot generate a faith on our own that will survive . CALL ON THE LORD AND RECIEVE GRACE AND POWER FROM ON HIGH TO BE HIS WITNESS , then go and make disciples! GOD BLESS U SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH GOD.
Bill Erickson "MY FAITH" "We can't generate a faith on our own that will survive". So if your god don't give us faith, we cannot be saved or we cannot believe him?
acrazyeagle1 "Share the true gospel? Exaltation? I know your doctrine. Christian mimic don't have the true gospel and exaltation. Only "GOSPEL and SALVATION. But if that what you believe, ok i respect that.
Jeff, Really beautiful way to witness to Mormons. Thank you! I have a soft spot for them, having come out of Mormonism a good 20 years ago by and through God’s mercy. My siblings, whom I love deeply, and many other people I know and care for, are still entangled. My attempts to witness haven’t been fruitful yet... but they have been open to my work writing/ singing Christian music. I pray that the Lord Jesus uses me to also point the lost to His truth!
Beautiful witness? Jeff was antagonistic. The only time Jesus went out of his way to confront people was in the temple to stop temple sacrifices/slaughtering. This was outlines in ALL the gospels and it was after this pinnacle event that the chief priests and scribes wanted him dead. Pretty much every other case of "antagonism" would be when Jesus was preaching to his disciples and the leaders CONFRONTED HIM trying to find fault in his sayings. Sounds a lot like what Jeff was doing...
I am LDS and will remain. Was born, baptized and I know the truth. I am so sorry for all of you that left the true church!! Please come back!! He loves you!!!! Jeff is highly confused!!!! He has a great persuasion to ignorant people!! I will pray for his soul!!!
@@robinweaver159 Hi, Robin. What is the concept of truth you believe in, and what is Jeff Durbin confused about? What would you say you know that church members who left the organization are ignorant of?
Love this video. Nothing but scriptural responses. The LDS defenders had no biblical response except the typical ones that Jeff gracefully and tactfully put down. I was once one of Jehovahs witnesses and Jeff has been a blessing from the Lord in seeing the truth. Thank you Apologia for all the content!
Jayse Ruiz The religion of the Saints is not based on scripture. Its based on revelation. These men are trying to argue squares with circles. It is easy to confuse revealed religion with scripture because revealed religion uses scripture to show that revelation through the living Apostles and Prophets is consistent with the revelations to passed Apostles and Prophets. So the saints do not get caught up nor are motivated to use scripture to defend every misuse of scripture. The fundamentals of our faith are not geared to do that.
The Catholic Church is the whore of the Earth, Jim. It is fraud perpetuated, and Satan uses the Catholic church to fill the world with his fallacy and fraud. But God restored his true Church in this last dispensation to show forth his power and to prepare the world for the great things to come and for his 2nd Coming. And what is the Catholic Church doing to prepare for the Lord's 2nd Coming? Nothing but sending fools like you on a fool's errand to fight against the Saints to hedge up their way in doing the work of God on Earth.
I absolutely love watching pastor Jeff videos. He has been so loving and kind to those he teaches the gospel. Listening to him and other pastors has helped me to get closer to our Lord Jesus Christ. I was a sixth generation LDS. I went through the motions and didn't follow all the doctrines like I should have at the time. I was brainwashed into believing it was the "only"true church. Well my testimony is that many years ago I did something aggergious against God and the church and was excommunicated back in 1996. Best thing that ever happened to me. I was still in darkness until recently and I'm getting my life back on track. Thank God for Pastors like Pastor Jeff. May his ministry continue to bring people to Christ.
Mariano Rodgers He doesn't understand the Law of the Covenant that brings us into the promises of our Father. He doesn't teach the Laws that makes us live as Holy people as this is in contradiction to scripture.
Mariano Rodgers You can tell who the false prophets are by their fruits. He doesn't even keep the Sabbath day holy. This is a clear of indication of the deception he is under. It is not uncommon in most denominations.
Jeff!! You have no reading plan! Lol Keep preaching Jeff! I was raised Mormon and came to know the REAL JESUS in 2009. You blow me away as I watch the SPIRIT work through you.
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL your poisoned and rotten fruit is showing. Repent. We must all check what Spirit is coming through. Is it of truth and out of love and meekness and humbleness and humility or anger, pride and malice? 2Tim 3 is a good place to see if we fit with the ungodly and turn back towards Christ.
Your explanation of the councils of Nicaea changed my heart. I didn’t know the real reasons behind them. Hearing you speak on this broke down a wall I have been putting up. I was raised Baptist and am a Methodist as an adult. I have not been attending church lately, but my kids have been asking to go. God had me pick this video to watch today. Thank you and God Bless all you guys do to reach people, Witness for God, and give folks like me to believe in their deep faith.
He didn’t explain what really happened in the councils… the entire Christian faith is based on it. 2 guys have a difference of opinion and Alexander won. Making his opinion the doctrine that would be forced upon all resulting in the idea of a Trinity God and murder of any who disagreed with Alexander’s opinion. But just because he won the argument doesn’t mean he was right? The Bible doesn’t teach the trinity idea. Nor did Christ ever refer to him self that way.
@@jeaigroup You are not reading the Bible then. John 1:1, Jesus and The Father are different persons, but both equally God. John 5:18 Jesus calls God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. John 3:7-8 you must be born again... born of the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God. All three persons of God are equally God. All of these verses are the words of Jesus Himself.
This pastor has the patience to deal with people. I wish I was able to recites bible verse off my head like that. I’ve been meeting with Mormons for 11 years now and I still can’t get pass the basic with them because there is always new missionaries so I always have to start over again. Missionaries hate it when I show them the Bible’s verse that you showed us in one of your videos
I absolutely LOVE how Apologia cares so much for the Mormons, you can feel it…they are truly amazing disciples of Jesus Christ!🥹 We♥️love our fellow Mormon Family, I hope we all continue to pray for them & continue to share biblical truth & connect with them. They are good people & I believe most of them truly do want to know God’s truth. Let’s not give up on each other. When I was Mormon, God pursued my heart & never gave up on me, he showed me the truth because I was searching for it. Anyone truly searching for Gods truth, I promise you, God WILL show it to you, it may not be easy, but trust me, JESUS IS WORTH IT!😉 Thank you Jesus for this channel & the incredible work these men of God are doing to help bring home the lost. God is so good!💪 🙏🥹♥️ Praise Jesus! God Bless🙏♥️✝️
What’s up Jeff! Bro I am learning so much from you in light of defending one’s faith. I appreciate you. Keep it up! My opinion as to why so many people misinterpret scripture is due to not clearly understanding the literary genre of the narrative. They seem to think that they can interpret at face-value (literal) what is written in a poetic form such as most Psalms or Jesus’ allegories/parables... and vice-versa. This is why they are more ably able to say, “Well I have a different interpretation than you.”
after 10 years Stephen finally got it. This is the love of God so patient. That he spoke thru pastor Jeff and got him to FINALLY yield to sound doctrine and all mighty truth of our most high God
I love the fact that you quoted the first vision and he couldn't because they have softened their teachings so the younger generation didn't get the harsh words that I did as a child.
Even if Jesus does concede he is "good" (spoiler alert: he doesn't), the Bible repeatedly says Jesus only does and says what God (His Father) tells him to. If he is speaking on behalf of God he may very well say something on behalf of God. Even profits like Moses went between first and third person when speaking for God.
@@JoseLopez-il4se I do read very carefully (nice insinuation that I don't though; that's called poisoning the well). Do you? I frequently go back to the original languages when I read the Bible. I think you are getting hung up on the wrong word. Ginomai is defined as the following (emphasis added by me): "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance be brought to pass, happen A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), USED WITH GREAT LATITUTE (literal, FIGURATIVE, intensive, etc.) -- arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought." You notice the emphasis on the LATITUDE of it's use and FIGURATIVE meaning so that it can often be a non-literal interpretation. John is rife with figurative speech, as is Jesus and God. John also does not have a birth story. Which is probably good because the other two birth stories contradict; but I digress. The holy spirit started leading him immediately AFTER his baptism (Matt 4:1 and the ending of Matt 3, Mark 1:10-12). A strong case could be made that THIS is when the Logos was manifest in the flesh. Further even if you want to take it as his birth, it means that whatever the Logos was before Jesus' actual birth wasn't Jesus per se. So you still have a problem. See I can reconcile it being a Unitarian, I don't believe you can being a Trinitarian without making non-sensical doctrines of man. And I don't say this to be insulting (I used to believe in the Trinity). But it's simply doesn't hold up even from a scriptural basis.
@@JoseLopez-il4se And to reiterate a comment I made on the main message board. People throw out these Bible verses thinking they have proven something when in actuality they usually do the opposite and expose further problems with the Trinity (or other things they think God is or wants): John 1:1 is horribly translated. The way Trinitarians understand it, Jesus appears to be the Father! Jason BeDuhn shows the theological dishonesty of most trinitarian translators in this passage. It could be translated a number of other ways that aren't contradictory. But let's look at how the Trinitarians view it to start: In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (The Father), and the Word (Jesus) was God (The Father?). First off, there is no definitive article on the last theos. Meaning something closer to the NW translation is probably one of the most accurate translations. Although something like, "the word was divine" would be more appropriate as it denotes a category. Secondly, there is no punctuation in Koine Greek. So any capitalization is translators choice and often bias. They capitalize Word to make it see like a person. They often do the same with "The Holy Spirit". See my notes on that in other comments. Further, Logos can also mean PLAN (or any other number of non-personage things). So if God's plan was with him in the beginning then became manifest through Jesus, that gives an entirely different connotation as well. Neither of which denote Jesus needing to actually be THE GOD (ho theos).
@@JoseLopez-il4se So fallacy of dismissal. Also, you did not read my replies. And I don't mean that to be rude. I am just to the point where instead of trying to argue with fallacious arguments I just label them and move on. I did provide alternative word and linguistic options. If you would like me to completely spell them out for you here are a few. The NW translation: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. You don't even need to capitalize it to denote personhood by the way. An alternative could equally be: In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was divine. As I mentioned the word Logos can also mean plan. So you could translate it thusly: In the beginning was the plan, and the plan was with God and the plan was divine. The key thing to note is there is a linguistic difference between Ho Theos and simply Theos without the article. That is clearly distinguished here. It's a very nuanced passage.
I adore Jeff. He knows scripture soo well. Im ex mormon. Many mormons dont know their own church history. Pray the scales will fall from their eyes and they will embrace the true God of the Bible
I just talked to Mormons today and I brought up how the Bible is accurate since day 1, and that Joseph Smith wasn’t a prophet according to the Bible, and that Jesus himself claimed to be God. I should’ve gone more in depth about the identity of Jesus just like how he did, but I think I did good enough to plant that seed of doubt in their heart to find the true Christ. (They were surprised when I showed them that the Bible has been accurately preserved)
@@MrMac-zk5tv exactly, that’s what I try to tell them, that what they have love for, is a false idolization, a false God. And so they have so much love for something that they think Is the savior but isn’t. :(
It's been 4 years, Ryan. Have you been studying to be prepared to do this? You can't just want the results, everyone wants that. You have to want to work to get the results. Today is a new day, always build for tomorrow!
I inspire to be like you one day Jeff. So moving and awakening. Hope God blesses me with the knowledge you have so I can evangelize to Mormons and Jehovah witnesses one day too🙏🏼
Thank you for correcting him. I was told the same lies as a Mormon. Currently going through Church History in M-Div, yes you are right on about Nicaea. It was to stop the heretical teachings of Arius. Mormonism has done the same as Gnostics and other heretics to limit who Father, Son and Spirit is.
This was informative and fascinating. That man was contradicting himself over n over again. That young guy was not firm in his beliefs. I hope the Lord works on him so he sees how christianity is the way. Thank you brother Durbin.
After 30 years, Jesus Himself told me to go where He was moving because he was not about religion, but about relationship. The LDS told me that I was doing apostasy. Jesus freed me! To God be all the glory, honor, and power.
I wasn’t morman growing up. I believed closer to what Jeff believes + a ton more works and law and a big splash of gobblygook. But because of my background as a young adult I would also defend what I was raised to believe. The best advice I can give to someone struggling to know the true gospel is read your Bible. Let the word become quickened to you. Stop relying on someone else’s interpretation. Romans was a good place for me to start. I see the struggle in the young man. When you have a belief system it’s like a house of cards. Remove one and it’s likely the house will tumble.
Stephen.... you are like a bad meme... Jeff: God says he doesnt even know any other god Stephen: yeah, he doesnt know another son Jeff: no no no, He says he doesnt know any other GOD Stephen: um you can say one god, 3 gods... its all the same What??
No they're not lol sorry jesus but I live here in Utah and they're innocent demons lol trust me very corrupt demonic worshipping freemasons at the top of the chuch, false prophet Joseph, if you Mormon repent and believe the gospel and leave that church 🙏
I understand why, but still, it never ceases to amaze me how someone will work so hard to deny God's written Word just to make their own religion right.
I am SO Grateful for y'all. Respectful, gentle, anointed. I mean, I have learned so much from this channel. I feel like my salvation has uh... jeeze, big statement, come from this channel. Now flattery is sin, so that's not what I'm doing. But in the past 2 years I've visited 172 fellowships, including LDS as a person who is a seeker of christ. But you have given me inspiration to dig in deep to gospel, and scripture, and be consciously kind about how I do so. LDS folks are not bad people but for every fellowship I've visited-- I just.. I feel pain. I feel loss. I feel searching that in THE word of god I don't have. I don't have the same insecurity, I feel loved and accepted, and I don't do 'works' because I have to. I do them bc I want to. This channel is BEAUTIFUL. I am so grateful for your works, even though they have no bearing on our salvation. I love y'all. Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU. God bless you.
Your so great at this I'd love if I could read the bible with you I'm trying very hard to follow Christ and listening to these really help me understand the true Christian better
I doubt he will ever know the true Christ for people like him and others who are leaders of a false Christ; know they are wrong and that they are leading others astray. They like the power and the control. It’s truly sad because the teachers and profits we are told are held under more scrutiny by God. Keep going guys. I love how you guys do it love and faithfulness. I can see Paul in Jeff. He comes with Love and fire his heart. He tries his hardest to save condemned people.
Thank you Pastor Jeff I now can talk to my Mormon acquaintance! You must expose the truth and absolute truth is love and you have warned this man about the true Gospel. Now it is up to him to either accept or not. Praise the LORD JESUS for you and your ministry! Romans 10: 13-15 - 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
Its because Stefan can't afford to leave the LDS church even tho he knows its a fraud. He's too invested. He spent too many years working his way up the pyramid scheme. If he admits its all wrong he stands to lose everything in this life, his position, prestige, etc. Thats why he felt that he couldn't let that young man decide to trust the Bible.
@@jwing9185 interesting viewpoint. I hadn't thought about the "investment" aspect but that makes a lot of sense. Imagine admitting that LDS is wrong and then starting over from scratch, finding a new church, being just another guy, not having the fellowship, friends or "comfort zone" to be there for you. It would be like moving to another part of the world and starting over. I can imagine how scary that could be and worth defending something wrong just to keep that lifestyle intact.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Well the question he must answer is whether the truth is more important than his position in a TEMPORARY organization based on lies that even the Book of Mormon proves is false. Does he truly want to do it God's way and end up in Heaven or do it man's way and end up away from God.
The holy spirit was working and giving this young man conviction, he felt that then immediately asked for the time. He wasn't liking what he was hearing and that was his world view thru the mormon religion was taking a MAJOR HIT!
The Bible can be trusted and is accurate and is inspired and God breathe the Book of Mormon is another gospel isn’t inspired and has no evidence to support it so Joseph Smith is a false prophet and doesn’t come from Christ so keep it up pastor Jeff.🙏
I genuinely don't understand why intelligent adults are taken in by the non Christian cults, the Mormons and the Jehovahs Witnesses. I can understand why vulnerable adults would be deceived by them but I've got very intelligent friends who are Jehovahs Witnesses.
Jacqueline Hunter Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christians. We follow Jesus. That is what true, the real Christians do. We are no cult. But we do have a culture of love.
With al the videos you’ve had with Stephen, I think he finally might have started to understand in this one. When you hear the way he says “God” at the very end and then you look at his face; that’s the face of someone who heard them self and realized they were wrong the whole time.
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL Don't know if your is name is simply sarcasm, but if not take comfort in this clip. This is a clip from the show you were taking about and the dude Maher is interviewing has nowhere near the apologetic skills that Durbin has IMO. ruclips.net/video/kJQjpG-lGY4/видео.html God Bless:)
If you notice Mormonism is so appealing because it appeals to our fleshly desire (I.e. becoming a God) That’s why Mormons are willing to believe this doctrine despite the many contradiction. When Jeff provides biblical contradiction they say “it’s been translated so many times” yet they “follow” the Bible. But when it comes to sexual mortality they appeal to the Bible. How does that make sense I thought it was translated and corrupt?.
my heart goes out to Stephen. He is so blind and lost. But I don't know if he will ever open his eyes to the truth. My heart goes out to the young mormon man also. My hope and prayer is that God will open both hearts to the gospel.
I Really respect and admire the young mormon guy as well as the older dude, too, at least they were willing to debate and discuss the doctrine. As I am a evangelical Christian, I'm with the evangelist talking but I do appreciate those guys openess and having to deal with is tough prophet of god.
Yes, because Isaiah's message was that the gods of the nations were all false, and YHWH was the only true God (except for all the other true gods that exist...) ?!
Jeff Shirton ““You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.” Isaiah 43:10 NKJV No other God formed. You won’t become a god neither was there any God before Jesus formed.
David Baker What? I was responding directly to what this guy said on the video. The Latter-day Saint tried to explain that the council helped corrupt the Church and the Reformed Baptist said it wasn’t about that “at all.” Yes, it was.
Berkey Family I don't know much about that. I was commenting on the logical comment/question at the end that stumped Stephan. If you have any reference material about the council I will check it out.
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Did God lie in Psalm 82 when he called men that received his word gods, speaking it into existence, even if they weren't gods before? And Jesus Christ also when he used it as a defense against an accusation of blasphemy for saying he is the Son of God in John 10: 34-36? Or was Jesus Christ lying when he said that he and the Father are two separate men in John 8: 17-18? No, of course not. Nor was he lying when he said no other gods were made before or after God. For God is plural, encompassing many true gods, from multiple generations. That is the only way Hod and Jesus Christ aren't liars, destroying the Bible, and with it the Trinity. Is by having everything they say be true, still destroying the man made Trinity. You find the church that teaches this and you have the Jesus Christ of the Bible. All others teach a false Jesus Christ, and are an abomination to God. But I believe you already knew this, and have been intentionally bearing false witness.
Good luck, clowns, your brand of Christianity is a fake a fraud and a lie
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@@alohaangel1111 bullshit. Jeff Durban is on the highway to hell.
Could you share the app to translate from original greek to english please
I was LDS for 42 years, born into it. Leaving that cult and reading the Bible set me free. I love Jesus. I now know him.
Amen...
Amen
What was your main reason for leaving?
A real modern day Esau. Stop lying
You gave away your birthright and know less more than ever.
@@djadams7795 wot m8
As a recent ex-Mormon, this was painful to watch. I know exactly how he felt and my heart breaks for him. Hopefully this will plant the seed for him and his heart/mind will open.
May God continue to bless you, brother.
Hope you stick around with Apologia.
Also, welcome to the family. You are loved by God and this adopted family welcomes you with open hearts.
God bless.
@@robertknight3354 Thank you. It means a lot as this is not an easy situation to navigate.
@@austinsoper192 I've known of a few LDS and also a Jehovas witness who all end up feeling they can't trust themselves in matters of faith. As far as discernment. It's a typical thing that can come out of that when much of the language is the same and it's tied to the Bible. I hope you aren't going through that in any heavy way. That's a hard position to be in. Luckily just studying sermons and mostly taking in the word from the source can chop away those thorns.
Stay strong in the faith, brother. Be a fighter.
Surely in areas of struggle or idle times reach out to as many brothers as you can.
Dear @@austinsoper192, I don't know the particulars of your situation, but first of all, praise God! Secondly, if you ever need encouragement, do a search for testimonies by Andy Poland, Bart Pascoal, and Micah Wilder.
Yep, as an ex-mormon, I concur.
Called an LDS missionary to my house today to share the gospel! I’m so glad I did it! More I learn about Mormon doctrine, the more I realize it’s completely different than the biblical reality.
I would argue most Christians don't have beliefs grounded in Biblical reality.
It’s a cult. Sadly….
As a previous LDS missionary, and a member of the LDS church who is still practicing happily, I genuinely appreciate your care for those missionaries and desiring their salvation. Although, speaking from experience I'm sure they had most likely heard it all before and weren't phased 😅 it's always good to learn about each other, though!
@@danieltye2111 yes, traditions are a hard thing to break away from. I can show them clear contradictions and it doesn’t phase them. It’s truly amazing how the LDS church has a grip on their followers. Because if you are to leave, the church and their members typically disown you entirely. I live in St. George. My family is Mormon. So I completely understand the culture. Many things I respect about LDS members, but their core tenants are in total contradiction to scripture and history. God wasn’t a sinner like Joseph Smith said. God has been God from everlasting to everlasting. You can never become a god. I say this with respect and love. You must worship Christ in spirit and truth. And sadly, the LDS church teaches about a false Christ.
@@danieltye2111 it is crazy how LDS will hear the contradictions, stumble over their words, and you can see their brains processing the lies the LDS church has told them in these videos Apologia Studios posts. I pray for them that their eyes will be opened to the truth!
As a former LDS this video broke my heart. The young man is Hell bent on believing a lie all the way to hell. Truth exists and it’s name is Jesus.
+Tell Me A Song
Amen.
That's a sick belief. You can't possibly believe that man is going to hell.
and how do u know that
It's; HIS! lol! i am so glad that you Came Home, Solely by GOD'S Grace, apart from any works on your behalf, not of him who runs nor of him who wills, but Of/From GOD, WHO Shows Mercy, right‽ The Holy Church, The HOLY KINGDOM Is and shall not be prevailed against, but Is Crushing the Head of all who oppose The HOLY CHRIST; All enemies are being Placed Under HIS Feet. All Sovereignty, Authority, n Suppremecy [In Heaven and On Earth] Is HIS, YHWH YESHUA'S, Magnified †o †he Glory of The TRI-HAGION n TRIUNE YHWH!!!†!!!
@@kandisajyeman4499 When you worship a god that was once a man and deny Jesus Christ and say he is the brother of Lucifer, you have no chance of ever getting into heaven. God will not be mocked.
I was baptized LDS went to church some, but realized early that the Mormon faith wasn’t right. I am 55 I was saved and born again February 10th Baptized as a Christian on Easter Sunday. I know the truth now. Praise Jesus
Now an modern day Esau
@@djadams7795 aren't you a blind self righteous Pharisee. I testify that the truth will be known when we each one step into eternity. To go there with a false Jesus Christ will be a damning thing. The cleverest of lies always has a little truth mixed in. The grandest scheme Satan ever planted was to get souls to question the Holy Bible. And here we are.
It’s so difficult to do evangelism when you have other guys trying to talk to the same person. Jeff, you have incredible patience.
Jeff, bless is heart, is not doing evangelism. He is proselytizing. His focus is to change their mind. To point out their error. No different than going into a Muslim country and trying to convert them. At some point you are throwing pearls to those who will no ever listen. Then you dust the dirt off your sandels and move on.
Cults are so exciting! Do others enjoy the weekly Christian brainwashing too?
YES, It's so hard. How do we do this well? Grateful for these people. I could never. I am not equipped to bring people to salvation the way these men do. It's friggin beautiful. ugh.
@@tylerwarren8330 CHRISTIAN HUSTLERS CAN MAKE THE RUBE THINK THE ANCIENT HEBREW MYTHS ARE REAL, THAT THEY HAVE AN INVISBLE ENEMY CALLED SATAN AND THAT ETERNAL LIFE IS REAL, TOO. THESE CHRISTIAN BOTTOM FEEDERS ARE TRAINED TO MAKE ONE BILLION RUBES COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY WILLING TO DIE FOR A MAGICAL HANDBOOK WITH TALKING ANIMALS, CUPCAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND 'ONLY' 200,000 RAPED ALTAR BOYS AND 500,000 RAPED SEMINARIANS THINK THAT CHRISTIANITY IS A PAIN IN THE ASS!!!!!!!!! YOU MUST BE PROUD. HOW EDUCATED ARE YOU, TYLER? TYPE BIBLE CRITICISM ONLINE AND LEARN THAT THE CLEVER ANCIENT JEWS CREATED JEHOVAH GOD IN 950 BCE, THEN THEY STOLE SATAN FROM THE GREEK MYTHS, STUPID. YOU MERELY SUFFER FROM CHRISTIAN OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER. LET ME KNOW HOW GULLIBLE YOU ARE. I AM WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love how you always said, “ I want to encourage you” very good way to share without being rude and making him feel stupid.
Unfortunately, he is stupid.
You truly are gifted Jeff please never stop witnessing. I've learned more from you and the likes of Voddie, wretched tv, James White etc on youtube then I have attending "church" for 20+ years.
Be careful when listening to Calvinists, they teach one has to be regenerated before they can even hear the gospel and believe it, the epistles teach the opposite. See Ephesians 1:13. Spirtual life is when one is born again, receiving the Holy Spirit, not before one hears the gospel, which is how one receives faith, see Romans 10:17;Acts 10; Galtians 3:2 Ephesians 2:8-9.
Greg Blevins what a misrepresentation. We believe that God must turn our hearts of stone into a heart of flesh (Ezekiel 36:26) before we can do anything that’s pleasing to Him. We believe that No one can come to the Son unless the Father draws him (John 6:44).
Greg, how does one be born again?
@@Rightlydividing-wx1xb Be careful of Calvinists? Why, because we teach that you can’t earn your salvation, but instead must receive faith and belief as a gift from God, aka born again; recreated; regenerated? You mean the only Gospel that doesn’t boast in the righteousness of mankind? Yeah be careful of those guys! Wouldn’t want to become someone who gives God all the praise and glory. That would just be terrible!
@@jtslev while I totally agree with you, you’ve come off totally condescending and a little arrogant which is wrong because just like you’re saying we cannot boast everything from our salvation to our knowledge of God and his sovereignty has been determined by God so I encourage you as a brother in Christ to communicate the truth more humbly to those who don’t have the truth. Also responding to the original comment elaborate at the quotations on church. A body of likeminded believers and the church body is essential for the life of a believer. While I too am appreciative of the tool we have in the internet to see people like Jeff and learn from him we should neglect our responsibilities to be the hands and feet of Christ in the local church
“It’s easier to fool someone than to convince them that they’ve been fooled.”😔Please Pray for the Mormons, they are good people, just very lost. 😔🙏♥️ Thank you for the work you do Jeff! All glory to God!
God is so good! 🙏♥️ Praise Jesus!
We need a playlist of just Stephen/Jeff dialogues.
Jorge Anido just listen to this over and over, bc its the same stuff from stephen
Thankful that Jeff is able to point out with grace the scripture hoping.
No we really don’t. Stephen is frustrating and doesn’t have remotely compelling arguments whatsoever.
Jeff: “just really fast...what you just said...didn’t happen.” 🤣
"Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Christological issue of the divine nature of God the Son and his relationship to God the Father,[2] the construction of the first part of the Nicene Creed, establishing uniform observance of the date of Easter,[6] and promulgation of early canon law.[3][7] "
@@edenicchristian335 The Nicean creeds are false man made bullshit from a hackjob
@@djadams7795 I never said I agreed with the Nicene Creed. Simply that the speaker in this video lied.
@@edenicchristian335 sounds like we are in agreement then.
@@edenicchristian335 he didn’t lie he said that the council was made in order to address specific heresies and that’s exactly what they were for.
Keep up the great work, brother! - Former LDS
This man (the first man) is really respectful. If only every Mormon member had the same receptivity and gentleness. God bless him. God bless this ministry.
LDS: "I don't really nitpick about doctrine".
Well, I guess you can't... You start picking at it, and it will completely unravel.
Jacob Garner good joke, you are a funny comedian!
You could say the same thing about the Trinity or any other major "mainstream" Christian doctrine. Easy-believism. Reformed theology is just disgusting. There is a quote that says something like, "Who needs Satan when you have the God of John Calvin."
pfft, nonsense.
@@grayman7208 Are you referring to my comment?
@@edenicchristian335 actually, i was referring to jeff shirton's comment.
and of course, jeff durbin's nonsense.
LDS for 23years I'm now a born-again Christian 🙌🙌🙌
John 10:27-29. 🙌 Blessings!
@@estherlewis7458 you too!
If you believe you're going to become a god ...and be equal with God, you're in the same place lucifer was in when he thought the same thing.
Your channel is great I wish you had more songs! So pretty too thanks for sharing.
And also amen 100% true
We are Gods.
Stephanie Smith you're so right great point!
No... the difference is that Lucifer wanted all the glory and to be put ABOVE God.
Let me ask you something... if you have a child, would you want them to become as great or better than yourself? Of course you would because you love them more than words can Express. And that's exactly how our Heavenly Father feels about us. He wants us to become like him!
Wow. So very, very, very frustrating. I ran into the exact same thing this weekend. I was able to share the true gospel of Christ with 4 of my Mormon relatives at our family reunion. I never could have done it without your work to teach and inspire me. Thank you!!
Tell more? How did it go?
Modern Vintage Lifestyles They listened, gave twisted explanations for the scriptures that describe the nature of God and Jesus. I emphasized the importance of relying only upon the righteousness of Christ for exaltation (the mormon term for living in the presence of Jesus and God). I told them about the peace that comes by exaltation by grace thru faith. They thanked me.
On their way home they all texted me individually not send them anything that would undermine their faith or discuss religion with them ever again. One of my older relatives said that she would never look at any anti-Mormon literature after I sent a video (by Mike Winger) that explained the different definitions for the terms used by Mormons and Christians.
I continue to pray for them.
acrazyeagle1 If one is too scared to see opposing views then their faith is weak. There is no writings that will shake my faith. I MET GOD THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS. ITS TOO LATE, I ALREADY HAVE EXPERIENCED TOO MUCH OF GOD ! My flesh may be fooled but the Holy Spirit in me is not!
My flesh will say, “man, that does make sense” while my Spirit says,” YOU MET ME THROUGH THE GOSPEL!”
WE NEED SUPERNATURAL POWER TO HAVE AN ENDURING FAITH THST CAN ONLY COME FROM GOD. We cannot generate a faith on our own that will survive . CALL ON THE LORD AND RECIEVE GRACE AND POWER FROM ON HIGH TO BE HIS WITNESS , then go and make disciples!
GOD BLESS U SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH GOD.
Bill Erickson "MY FAITH"
"We can't generate a faith on our own that will survive". So if your god don't give us faith, we cannot be saved or we cannot believe him?
acrazyeagle1
"Share the true gospel? Exaltation? I know your doctrine. Christian mimic don't have the true gospel and exaltation. Only "GOSPEL and SALVATION. But if that what you believe, ok i respect that.
Jeff,
Really beautiful way to witness to Mormons. Thank you!
I have a soft spot for them, having come out of Mormonism a good 20 years ago by and through God’s mercy. My siblings, whom I love deeply, and many other people I know and care for, are still entangled. My attempts to witness haven’t been fruitful yet... but they have been open to my work writing/ singing Christian music. I pray that the Lord Jesus uses me to also point the lost to His truth!
Beautiful witness? Jeff was antagonistic. The only time Jesus went out of his way to confront people was in the temple to stop temple sacrifices/slaughtering. This was outlines in ALL the gospels and it was after this pinnacle event that the chief priests and scribes wanted him dead.
Pretty much every other case of "antagonism" would be when Jesus was preaching to his disciples and the leaders CONFRONTED HIM trying to find fault in his sayings. Sounds a lot like what Jeff was doing...
I am LDS and will remain. Was born, baptized and I know the truth. I am so sorry for all of you that left the true church!! Please come back!! He loves you!!!! Jeff is highly confused!!!! He has a great persuasion to ignorant people!! I will pray for his soul!!!
@@robinweaver159 Hi, Robin.
What is the concept of truth you believe in, and what is Jeff Durbin confused about? What would you say you know that church members who left the organization are ignorant of?
@@robinweaver159 the "true church" ??? so do you think that there were no believers before Joseph/Mormonism came about?
I could listen to Jeff all day I hate when these videos end
I hate when his videos start.
@@scottbrandon6244 Hate the video is your choice, but be careful what you hate, it can cause great eternal pain.
Ditto! I’m learning so much!
@scottbrandon6244 then why do you watch?
Props to the camera guy. Sticking through it with all those curveballs of people walking through the shot and hanging out there
Love this video. Nothing but scriptural responses. The LDS defenders had no biblical response except the typical ones that Jeff gracefully and tactfully put down. I was once one of Jehovahs witnesses and Jeff has been a blessing from the Lord in seeing the truth. Thank you Apologia for all the content!
Jayse Ruiz
The religion of the Saints is not based on scripture. Its based on revelation. These men are trying to argue squares with circles. It is easy to confuse revealed religion with scripture because revealed religion uses scripture to show that revelation through the living Apostles and Prophets is consistent with the revelations to passed Apostles and Prophets.
So the saints do not get caught up nor are motivated to use scripture to defend every misuse of scripture. The fundamentals of our faith are not geared to do that.
Berkey Family that first sentence said it all.
We are a restored, revealed religion, not a scripture dependent religion.
The Catholic Church is the whore of the Earth, Jim. It is fraud perpetuated, and Satan uses the Catholic church to fill the world with his fallacy and fraud. But God restored his true Church in this last dispensation to show forth his power and to prepare the world for the great things to come and for his 2nd Coming. And what is the Catholic Church doing to prepare for the Lord's 2nd Coming? Nothing but sending fools like you on a fool's errand to fight against the Saints to hedge up their way in doing the work of God on Earth.
Jesus Christ has absolutely nothing to do with the Hellenized Catholic Church. Zero, Zilch.
I absolutely love watching pastor Jeff videos. He has been so loving and kind to those he teaches the gospel. Listening to him and other pastors has helped me to get closer to our Lord Jesus Christ. I was a sixth generation LDS. I went through the motions and didn't follow all the doctrines like I should have at the time. I was brainwashed into believing it was the "only"true church. Well my testimony is that many years ago I did something aggergious against God and the church and was excommunicated back in 1996. Best thing that ever happened to me. I was still in darkness until recently and I'm getting my life back on track. Thank God for Pastors like Pastor Jeff. May his ministry continue to bring people to Christ.
Y’all are killing it lately “Apologia Studios “ ! Keep it up !
lefebre27 LOVE LOVE LOVE their content lol
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Jeff is also teaching a false gospel, he just doesn't know it.
Joe Pasarell false gospel? Explain yourself.
Mariano Rodgers
He doesn't understand the Law of the Covenant that brings us into the promises of our Father. He doesn't teach the Laws that makes us live as Holy people as this is in contradiction to scripture.
Mariano Rodgers
You can tell who the false prophets are by their fruits. He doesn't even keep the Sabbath day holy. This is a clear of indication of the deception he is under. It is not uncommon in most denominations.
Jeff!! You have no reading plan! Lol Keep preaching Jeff! I was raised Mormon and came to know the REAL JESUS in 2009. You blow me away as I watch the SPIRIT work through you.
Amanda 83 praise be to God he rescued you out of that dangerous cult!
Amanda 83 Praise GOD that HE rescued you from that false doctrine
@HEAVEN IS 4 REAL tha devil is a Lier you obviously don't know HIM either
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL your poisoned and rotten fruit is showing. Repent. We must all check what Spirit is coming through. Is it of truth and out of love and meekness and humbleness and humility or anger, pride and malice? 2Tim 3 is a good place to see if we fit with the ungodly and turn back towards Christ.
@HEAVEN IS 4 REAL tha real trinity is JESUS CHRIST of NAZARETH sir
Your explanation of the councils of Nicaea changed my heart. I didn’t know the real reasons behind them. Hearing you speak on this broke down a wall I have been putting up. I was raised Baptist and am a Methodist as an adult. I have not been attending church lately, but my kids have been asking to go. God had me pick this video to watch today. Thank you and God Bless all you guys do to reach people, Witness for God, and give folks like me to believe in their deep faith.
He didn’t explain what really happened in the councils… the entire Christian faith is based on it. 2 guys have a difference of opinion and Alexander won. Making his opinion the doctrine that would be forced upon all resulting in the idea of a Trinity God and murder of any who disagreed with Alexander’s opinion. But just because he won the argument doesn’t mean he was right? The Bible doesn’t teach the trinity idea. Nor did Christ ever refer to him self that way.
@@jeaigroup You are not reading the Bible then. John 1:1, Jesus and The Father are different persons, but both equally God. John 5:18 Jesus calls God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. John 3:7-8 you must be born again... born of the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God. All three persons of God are equally God. All of these verses are the words of Jesus Himself.
This pastor has the patience to deal with people. I wish I was able to recites bible verse off my head like that. I’ve been meeting with Mormons for 11 years now and I still can’t get pass the basic with them because there is always new missionaries so I always have to start over again. Missionaries hate it when I show them the Bible’s verse that you showed us in one of your videos
What do you do with JWs? They even use a different translation.
Im praying for Stephen tonight. May he see the truth.
Year later, we still praying.
So wish I was there with y'all!!!! Love seeing God's word being brought to people who need Him so desperately!!! Keep up the AWESOME work!!!!
I absolutely LOVE how Apologia cares so much for the Mormons, you can feel it…they are truly amazing disciples of Jesus Christ!🥹 We♥️love our fellow Mormon Family, I hope we all continue to pray for them & continue to share biblical truth & connect with them. They are good people & I believe most of them truly do want to know God’s truth. Let’s not give up on each other. When I was Mormon, God pursued my heart & never gave up on me, he showed me the truth because I was searching for it. Anyone truly searching for Gods truth, I promise you, God WILL show it to you, it may not be easy, but trust me, JESUS IS WORTH IT!😉 Thank you Jesus for this channel & the incredible work these men of God are doing to help bring home the lost. God is so good!💪 🙏🥹♥️ Praise Jesus! God Bless🙏♥️✝️
I would literally give my right arm to watch an 5hr conversation between Jeff Durbin and Sam Harris. Boy would that be a sight to see.
The young man has a pure heart and I believe he will come to a saving faith. God Bless you for taking the time with him.
I love and appreciate how you don't back down. You always stick to the word.
Lord Jesus Christ is great, mighty and loving! Keep it up brothers in Christ Jesus. Amen
What’s up Jeff! Bro I am learning so much from you in light of defending one’s faith. I appreciate you. Keep it up!
My opinion as to why so many people misinterpret scripture is due to not clearly understanding the literary genre of the narrative. They seem to think that they can interpret at face-value (literal) what is written in a poetic form such as most Psalms or Jesus’ allegories/parables... and vice-versa. This is why they are more ably able to say, “Well I have a different interpretation than you.”
after 10 years Stephen finally got it. This is the love of God so patient. That he spoke thru pastor Jeff and got him to FINALLY yield to sound doctrine and all mighty truth of our most high God
Love Jeff Durbin! Defending God and his truth! Jeff is right ✝️
I love the fact that you quoted the first vision and he couldn't because they have softened their teachings so the younger generation didn't get the harsh words that I did as a child.
Only God is good... was Jesus good? Stephen: "yes"... So that makes Jesus...? Stephen: "God"... got'em.
Gottemmm
Even if Jesus does concede he is "good" (spoiler alert: he doesn't), the Bible repeatedly says Jesus only does and says what God (His Father) tells him to. If he is speaking on behalf of God he may very well say something on behalf of God. Even profits like Moses went between first and third person when speaking for God.
@@JoseLopez-il4se I do read very carefully (nice insinuation that I don't though; that's called poisoning the well). Do you? I frequently go back to the original languages when I read the Bible. I think you are getting hung up on the wrong word. Ginomai is defined as the following (emphasis added by me):
"Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
be brought to pass, happen
A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), USED WITH GREAT LATITUTE (literal, FIGURATIVE, intensive, etc.) -- arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought."
You notice the emphasis on the LATITUDE of it's use and FIGURATIVE meaning so that it can often be a non-literal interpretation. John is rife with figurative speech, as is Jesus and God.
John also does not have a birth story. Which is probably good because the other two birth stories contradict; but I digress. The holy spirit started leading him immediately AFTER his baptism (Matt 4:1 and the ending of Matt 3, Mark 1:10-12). A strong case could be made that THIS is when the Logos was manifest in the flesh.
Further even if you want to take it as his birth, it means that whatever the Logos was before Jesus' actual birth wasn't Jesus per se. So you still have a problem. See I can reconcile it being a Unitarian, I don't believe you can being a Trinitarian without making non-sensical doctrines of man. And I don't say this to be insulting (I used to believe in the Trinity). But it's simply doesn't hold up even from a scriptural basis.
@@JoseLopez-il4se And to reiterate a comment I made on the main message board. People throw out these Bible verses thinking they have proven something when in actuality they usually do the opposite and expose further problems with the Trinity (or other things they think God is or wants):
John 1:1 is horribly translated. The way Trinitarians understand it, Jesus appears to be the Father! Jason BeDuhn shows the theological dishonesty of most trinitarian translators in this passage. It could be translated a number of other ways that aren't contradictory. But let's look at how the Trinitarians view it to start:
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (The Father), and the Word (Jesus) was God (The Father?).
First off, there is no definitive article on the last theos. Meaning something closer to the NW translation is probably one of the most accurate translations. Although something like, "the word was divine" would be more appropriate as it denotes a category.
Secondly, there is no punctuation in Koine Greek. So any capitalization is translators choice and often bias. They capitalize Word to make it see like a person. They often do the same with "The Holy Spirit". See my notes on that in other comments.
Further, Logos can also mean PLAN (or any other number of non-personage things). So if God's plan was with him in the beginning then became manifest through Jesus, that gives an entirely different connotation as well. Neither of which denote Jesus needing to actually be THE GOD (ho theos).
@@JoseLopez-il4se So fallacy of dismissal. Also, you did not read my replies. And I don't mean that to be rude. I am just to the point where instead of trying to argue with fallacious arguments I just label them and move on.
I did provide alternative word and linguistic options. If you would like me to completely spell them out for you here are a few.
The NW translation:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
You don't even need to capitalize it to denote personhood by the way.
An alternative could equally be:
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was divine.
As I mentioned the word Logos can also mean plan. So you could translate it thusly:
In the beginning was the plan, and the plan was with God and the plan was divine.
The key thing to note is there is a linguistic difference between Ho Theos and simply Theos without the article. That is clearly distinguished here. It's a very nuanced passage.
I adore Jeff. He knows scripture soo well. Im ex mormon. Many mormons dont know their own church history. Pray the scales will fall from their eyes and they will embrace the true God of the Bible
I just talked to Mormons today and I brought up how the Bible is accurate since day 1, and that Joseph Smith wasn’t a prophet according to the Bible, and that Jesus himself claimed to be God. I should’ve gone more in depth about the identity of Jesus just like how he did, but I think I did good enough to plant that seed of doubt in their heart to find the true Christ.
(They were surprised when I showed them that the Bible has been accurately preserved)
This is really helpful. I have a lot of LDS friends who I love so so much. They have so much love for Christ yet they have no idea who he is at all.
How can you love someone you do not know? That's an oxymoron!
@@MrMac-zk5tv exactly, that’s what I try to tell them, that what they have love for, is a false idolization, a false God. And so they have so much love for something that they think Is the savior but isn’t. :(
Wow, listening to Jeff makes me wish I had his knowledge so I could go out and evangelize as well .
It's been 4 years, Ryan. Have you been studying to be prepared to do this?
You can't just want the results, everyone wants that. You have to want to work to get the results.
Today is a new day, always build for tomorrow!
I inspire to be like you one day Jeff. So moving and awakening. Hope God blesses me with the knowledge you have so I can evangelize to Mormons and Jehovah witnesses one day too🙏🏼
Thank you for correcting him. I was told the same lies as a Mormon. Currently going through Church History in M-Div, yes you are right on about Nicaea. It was to stop the heretical teachings of Arius. Mormonism has done the same as Gnostics and other heretics to limit who Father, Son and Spirit is.
This was informative and fascinating. That man was contradicting himself over n over again. That young guy was not firm in his beliefs. I hope the Lord works on him so he sees how christianity is the way. Thank you brother Durbin.
After 30 years, Jesus Himself told me to go where He was moving because he was not about religion, but about relationship. The LDS told me that I was doing apostasy. Jesus freed me! To God be all the glory, honor, and power.
It’s been fascinating to look at how beliefs shape people and how strong they are and how to tell people the truth so they will be set free
I cannot get enough. I cannot. I love your mission. I love your ministry. THANK YOU.
Of course before i can watch this video, RUclips makes me watch a Mormon ad.....
Careful don't get converted! hah
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They know what they’re doing
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In other words, LDS is paying Apologia hahaha
John 3:36 but if you block the ads you can't support this channel and this ministry.
I wasn’t morman growing up. I believed closer to what Jeff believes + a ton more works and law and a big splash of gobblygook. But because of my background as a young adult I would also defend what I was raised to believe. The best advice I can give to someone struggling to know the true gospel is read your Bible. Let the word become quickened to you. Stop relying on someone else’s interpretation. Romans was a good place for me to start. I see the struggle in the young man. When you have a belief system it’s like a house of cards. Remove one and it’s likely the house will tumble.
Albeit a bit exasperating, this was an amazing watch. God bless you Jeff. ❤
My god... This is SO good.. I have peace... I cannot even.. I am crying.. I am literally crying... THANK YOU
Jeff is the man preach it brother
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Jeff understands very little of who the Yahusha is.
Joe Pasarell how so?!
Prayers for Stephen 🙏🏽. Jesus will get him out of Mormonism 🙏🏽 through Jesus I see Stephen preaching as Jeff is. Amen
Jeff,you are helping bring Jesus back to my heart amen,,
Oh my goodness, I was just handing out tracks to Mormons with Chuck in Nauvoo a few days ago. I can't believe he got to meet you Jeff!
Stephen.... you are like a bad meme...
Jeff: God says he doesnt even know any other god
Stephen: yeah, he doesnt know another son
Jeff: no no no, He says he doesnt know any other GOD
Stephen: um you can say one god, 3 gods... its all the same
What??
I love mormons ❤️ Please pray for them 🙏
I love them too. They are beautiful.
No they're not lol sorry jesus but I live here in Utah and they're innocent demons lol trust me very corrupt demonic worshipping freemasons at the top of the chuch, false prophet Joseph, if you Mormon repent and believe the gospel and leave that church 🙏
Jeff my brother NEVER GIVE UP GOD IS WITH YOU!
I understand why, but still, it never ceases to amaze me how someone will work so hard to deny God's written Word just to make their own religion right.
I love how he talks to that old man 😂😂
hahaah! Geeeeee!
This is why we must be born again to understand the true gospel.
I am SO Grateful for y'all. Respectful, gentle, anointed. I mean, I have learned so much from this channel. I feel like my salvation has uh... jeeze, big statement, come from this channel. Now flattery is sin, so that's not what I'm doing. But in the past 2 years I've visited 172 fellowships, including LDS as a person who is a seeker of christ. But you have given me inspiration to dig in deep to gospel, and scripture, and be consciously kind about how I do so. LDS folks are not bad people but for every fellowship I've visited-- I just.. I feel pain. I feel loss. I feel searching that in THE word of god I don't have. I don't have the same insecurity, I feel loved and accepted, and I don't do 'works' because I have to. I do them bc I want to. This channel is BEAUTIFUL. I am so grateful for your works, even though they have no bearing on our salvation. I love y'all. Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU. God bless you.
Your so great at this I'd love if I could read the bible with you I'm trying very hard to follow Christ and listening to these really help me understand the true Christian better
How are you doing thus far? Pax Christi
@@friendlyfire7509 um I have a hard time trying to stay with the word most days all I can say is I'm still trying
I love how you can basically hear Jeff roll His eyes when Stephen showed up 😂😂
As did I!
I doubt he will ever know the true Christ for people like him and others who are leaders of a false Christ; know they are wrong and that they are leading others astray. They like the power and the control. It’s truly sad because the teachers and profits we are told are held under more scrutiny by God. Keep going guys. I love how you guys do it love and faithfulness. I can see Paul in Jeff. He comes with Love and fire his heart. He tries his hardest to save condemned people.
10 years jeff? Really encouraged that you were patient with him.
Poor Stephan, will definitely keep him and those misguided in prayer.
1:50
"What do you think happened there?"
When you were going to educate someone on a subject, then realize they know more than you lol
man the “is Jesus good?” bit was wild
Great job brother Jeff keep fighting the good fight!
"You don't have a bible reading plan."
Oh Stephen. Praying for you man.
I think you guys do a great job of doing this out of real love!
Thank you Pastor Jeff I now can talk to my Mormon acquaintance! You must expose the truth and absolute truth is love and you have warned this man about the true Gospel. Now it is up to him to either accept or not. Praise the LORD JESUS for you and your ministry! Romans 10: 13-15 - 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
I love how you've been acquainted with Stephan for the past 10 years like he's your next door neighbor.
Well, why did you bring it up Stephan?!? 😂
Stefan is so hardened. :(
God probably had it like that for a reason
Its because Stefan can't afford to leave the LDS church even tho he knows its a fraud. He's too invested. He spent too many years working his way up the pyramid scheme. If he admits its all wrong he stands to lose everything in this life, his position, prestige, etc. Thats why he felt that he couldn't let that young man decide to trust the Bible.
@@jwing9185 interesting viewpoint. I hadn't thought about the "investment" aspect but that makes a lot of sense. Imagine admitting that LDS is wrong and then starting over from scratch, finding a new church, being just another guy, not having the fellowship, friends or "comfort zone" to be there for you. It would be like moving to another part of the world and starting over. I can imagine how scary that could be and worth defending something wrong just to keep that lifestyle intact.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Well the question he must answer is whether the truth is more important than his position in a TEMPORARY organization based on lies that even the Book of Mormon proves is false. Does he truly want to do it God's way and end up in Heaven or do it man's way and end up away from God.
The holy spirit was working and giving this young man conviction, he felt that then immediately asked for the time. He wasn't liking what he was hearing and that was his world view thru the mormon religion was taking a MAJOR HIT!
I pray this young man comes the TRUE Jesus! :) I pray for Stefan as well.
"Christianity needs to be defended because it's the truth". Amen!
That's why we do this to witness the truth to those who are astray . God be with him
The Bible can be trusted and is accurate and is inspired and God breathe the Book of Mormon is another gospel isn’t inspired and has no evidence to support it so Joseph Smith is a false prophet and doesn’t come from Christ so keep it up pastor Jeff.🙏
I think these episodes are good for believers to understand in a more excellent way the grace of God.
Dear Jeff, can you teach me the virtue of patience, please? Ha! The way you stuck with Stephen is absolutely inspiring!
I genuinely don't understand why intelligent adults are taken in by the non Christian cults, the Mormons and the Jehovahs Witnesses. I can understand why vulnerable adults would be deceived by them but I've got very intelligent friends who are Jehovahs Witnesses.
Jacqueline Hunter the battle is not against flesh but principalities
Jacqueline Hunter Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christians. We follow Jesus. That is what true, the real Christians do. We are no cult. But we do have a culture of love.
With al the videos you’ve had with Stephen, I think he finally might have started to understand in this one. When you hear the way he says “God” at the very end and then you look at his face; that’s the face of someone who heard them self and realized they were wrong the whole time.
Keep it up brothers amazing watching the spirit work through you guys!
Examine your hearts brothers and sisters, we all fall short of the glory of god.
I like how he kept glancing at the camera like, "oh boy, all my mormon friends will see me fail to defend the church."
Pray for the man.
"I know you need to go so I want to give this to you, look this over, compare to it to the Bible."............... "NEXT!" Lol , I love this !
Durbin, you are the real deal. I just wish you could be on every major network setting the masses free.
What is Real Time?
@HEAVEN IS 4 REAL What kind of reality show? "Owned" it what sense?
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL Don't know if your is name is simply sarcasm, but if not take comfort in this clip. This is a clip from the show you were taking about and the dude Maher is interviewing has nowhere near the apologetic skills that Durbin has IMO. ruclips.net/video/kJQjpG-lGY4/видео.html God Bless:)
@@mountaindew7190 Jeff doesn't know the truth. He is deceived
@@djadams7795 My friend, that is not an argument. That is simply an arbitrary statement. In what way is he deceived?
Your blessing me brother. Thank you
I wonder if Stephen ever converted to Christianity. I really hope so!
If you notice Mormonism is so appealing because it appeals to our fleshly desire (I.e. becoming a God) That’s why Mormons are willing to believe this doctrine despite the many contradiction. When Jeff provides biblical contradiction they say “it’s been translated so many times” yet they “follow” the Bible. But when it comes to sexual mortality they appeal to the Bible. How does that make sense I thought it was translated and corrupt?.
my heart goes out to Stephen. He is so blind and lost. But I don't know if he will ever open his eyes to the truth. My heart goes out to the young mormon man also. My hope and prayer is that God will open both hearts to the gospel.
I Really respect and admire the young mormon guy as well as the older dude, too, at least they were willing to debate and discuss the doctrine. As I am a evangelical Christian, I'm with the evangelist talking but I do appreciate those guys openess and having to deal with is tough prophet of god.
Good ole Stephen, with no biblical response
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Stephen is not good. :) There is only one good, God. He needs Christ.. Pray for him..
Yes, because Isaiah's message was that the gods of the nations were all false, and YHWH was the only true God (except for all the other true gods that exist...)
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Jeff Shirton ““You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.”
Isaiah 43:10 NKJV
No other God formed. You won’t become a god neither was there any God before Jesus formed.
He never disappoints
Wow!
Talk about mike drop!
Left him with a bomb!
David Baker
Mic drop? After claiming that the Council of Niccea was not about what it actually was about? More like, what a joker...
Those councils were about mingling the philosophies of men with the scriptures and the result was the Hellenization of the Church.
Berkey Family
Did you not watch till the end? I am not sure why you are talking about that part...
David Baker
What? I was responding directly to what this guy said on the video. The Latter-day Saint tried to explain that the council helped corrupt the Church and the Reformed Baptist said it wasn’t about that “at all.” Yes, it was.
Berkey Family
I don't know much about that. I was commenting on the logical comment/question at the end that stumped Stephan.
If you have any reference material about the council I will check it out.
I love these vids! Do more debates like this.
God is good. Thank you Jeff.