Street Debate w/ Mormon Missionaries
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Apologia Church was on the scene at the Mormon Easter pageant in Mesa, AZ. This is an interaction between a member of Apologia Church and some mormon missionaries. He confronts them on inconsistencies in the the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith.
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Finallllllly!!!!! A new one. Please do this more often. This is very edifying it been waiting for this.
Good videos refuting false doctrine. Just how did this belief begin? There has been found in a deep dive research a book “Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon? Found in online used book sites possibly. Also view Wiki- Spalding-Rigdon theory of Book of Mormon authorship.
Don’t give up if you want truth it is out there for you to find. Forward to book was by Walter Martin, noted author of “Kingdoms of the Cults”.
"Two blades of a scissors". Both are important. God's Grace and God's Works. Eph. 2:8-10. So wonderful is our God.
The wages of sin is death, I've earned it, but Jesus paid my debt in full, it is finished. Rom. 6:23 and now I have the free gift of eternal life with the promise of fruitful good works that I get to do, not to merit the gift, but to do out of gratitude.
I agree with the Bible and I too am often on the streets sharing its truth and grace in conversations with the Mormon community.
But can we please be intellectually honest and stop using the misrepresentation of the JS statements about the return of Jesus in our proclamation of God’s truth?
As much as it sounds as if he made a firm 50-ish year prophecy on the return of Jesus, the actual statement is vague and has loopholes, which I believe were built in so that Joseph could not be wrong either way but may have appeared to be correct if Christ had come again in a certain timeframe.
There are other ways he fails the test. The biggest of which is bringing a different gospel and preaching a different Jesus.
I came out of Mormonism because I finally realized that the burden of works and rules and extra-Biblical ordinances had drawn a wedge between me and my right standing with God.
It’s faith alone in grace alone through Christ alone.
I pray we can do a better job with this.
Thank you so much for being diligent in sharing the message of Jesus with a community I care for to see His truth the most! This is extremely important because there is a disproportionate amount of those who escaped Mormonism but then lose faith in God altogether and I especially lament for those who leave and lose Jesus.
Let’s make sure they know there’s a better hope!
What if these are staged?
I'm a Christian, and I feel for these Mormons. We need to love them
I was once one, and I can so relate to every mornon encounter on this channel. The true gospel of Christ was in my face all the time, and like these Mormons, I at first could not accept it. It was only slowly but surely than my eyes and heart were opened.
Yes, I agree and only the Holy Spirit can convince them 🙏🏼
Who's to say they aren't right...? It's their interpretation vs your interpretation. Honestly you're both probably wrong.
@@deborabarros1159 I agree, The holy spirit is the only one to convince anyone of the truth. (One must read, ponder, pray) to learn more.
I agree. Love the sinner hate the sin!
well done as always
Out-talking someone?
This is the response when one is unwilling to scrutinize their own position.
This is a sad excuse for what Mormans call "Elders". The term would mean (someone with knowledge/wisdom) yet the LDS church sends these young men and women out to teach against The World of God (Bible), and yet they cannot refute anything that the Word proclaims against Joseph Smith. "He's just 1800 years too late" - Jeff Durbin
They get Elder as a missionary title. They go out ages 18-26 so it has little to do with wisdom/knowledge. Females are called Sister for some reason.
“Faith without works is dead”. He forgot about that bible verse.. :)
There is a context to the James verse. It isn't saying that works is required for salvation but that if someone puts their faith in God then good works will follow. No body forgot about the verse. They just know how to read context.
Consider this.... In the book of Mormon are found many places and such, many of which correspond to place names in Joseph's modern world.
BoM names: Geographical locations in the area of the country around J.Smith's hometown
Ramah Rama
Morianton Moraviantown
Shurr Sherbrook
Onidah Oneida
Land of Lehi Lehigh county
Jacobugath Jacobsburg
Kishkumen Kishkiminetas
Valley of Alma Alma
Antum Antrim
Boaz Boaz
Helam Hellam
Manti Mantua
Land of Noah Noah Lakes
Waters of Ripliancum Ripple Lake
Sidom Sodom
Shilom Shiloh
Hill Cumorah. A small island nation near Mozambique and on the maps in Joseph Smith's day was named Comoros. The Arabs called it "Camora". Its largest city and capital of Camora was, you guessed it.... Moroni
Now consider 2 books and the phrases used in the first chapter of both books:
First book Second book
Condemn not the (writing)...an account...the First Book of...upon the face Condemn not the (writing)...an account...the First Book of...upon the face of the earth...it came to
of the earth...it came to pass...the land...their inheritances their gold and pass...the land...his inheritance and his gold and his silver and...the commandments of the Lord
silver and...the commandments of the Lord...the foolish imaginations of ...the foolish imaginations of his heart...large in stature...Jerusalem...because of the wickedness of
their hearts...small in stature...Jerusalem...because of the perverse the people.
wickedness of the people.
The first book was a school text book that was published about 20 years prior to the BoM. The second book is the BoM, Nephi.
Now consider these common phrases:
book 1 book 2
...near the Moavian Town...And it came to pass...the army...were ...people of Morianton...And it came to pass...the army...was led by a man whose name was Teancum...
under...a chief warrior, whom they called Tecumseh...smote their they did pursue Teancum and slew him...he was dead, and had gone the way of all the earth.
chief warrio[Tecumseh] and slew him...he fell to the earth
[men]were prepared...and they let loose their weapons of war...and [men]were prepared, with their swords and their slings, to smite...with an immense slaughter...ditches...
smote...with great slaughter. And the deep ditch that surrounded filled up in a measure with their dead and wounded
the fort was strewed with their slain and their wounded.
it came to pass that the husbandmen...gathered together, and ...it came to pass that...the people gathered themselves together... and...pitched their tents...ye should
pitched their tents, [and]assembled together...And the people assemble yourselves together...And they all cried with one voice.
shouted with a loud voice...
The first book is from a book used in the schools and published just 10 years prior to the BoM called "The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain." Book 2, of course is from the BoM.
By the way, I just posted 3 examples. I could do many, many more. Oh... and "The Late War..." contains chiasmus that are 42 verses long.
A study was done which looked at Rare phrases in the BoM. Rare phrases are phrases that are not found in any other contemporary book and that they are not found in the KJV of the Bible. There are three books that do in J.Smith's life. You guessed it...The first book of Napoleon... The Late War... and another book called View of the Hebrews.
I just started going to Mormon church.
They came to me in what I would say to be a pretty magical way.
I don’t buy into the whole Book of Mormon, there is mistery to its existence, for sure, but that’s as far as it goes for me.
However, I will say this.
Up until now I have never felt so welcomed by a “religious” group of people as I have felt with them.
So they must be doing something right.
Also I have learned to admire the spirit of dedication to do good from most of their members, specially their missionaries.
Whereas from my point of view, you seemed to have come at them with strong passive-aggressive righteousnes.
I would love to go to your denomination next.
The true and living God offers forgiveness of sins, salvation, eternal life and exaltation for free if you are interested. That is how much God loves you! ❤️
Jesus Christ claimed to be God, not the brother of Satan. Christ was crucified because he claimed to be God. It was called blasphemy and punishable by death.
Merry Christmas! 🎄
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
There is no salvation in any church. There is only salvation in Jesus Christ.
Jesus said, Follow me. Jesus is the good Shepherd. Jesus will never let you down.
John 10:27-29
Please read the New Testament as a child. Nothing is more important than where you spend eternity.
God bless.
@@Elizabeth-rk3do I grew up Catholic I am not sure what you are telling me
Funny to see the expressions on the missionary with glasses,he seems ready to smack the preacher!! At 12:20 he says we gotta go and hangs around another 30 minutes.🤣
At 9:18 the blonde Morman fixes his hand in the shape of the devils horns, deliberate and wholly unnatural. Probably asking Jesus brother [satan, yeah right] for help.
How the ending is crazy, just swept away from the conversation! Such a gentle conversation on both sides, praying for that young man!
It's so sad, because there were moments that you can see that all they have been taught is being truthfully refuted and yet they have be threatened so much that if they deny Mormonism they will not be saved... "Lord, remove the veil on the eyes of these young missionaries, so they my hear, repent and believe in the true Christ!"
You’re sad !!!
😭😭
@@flasktalimasa5586 Why? What is truly sad, are people who twist add, and take away the truth of the Word of God. Also, what is sad, are people who don’t think that is a serious problem. You’re ‘sadness’ is going to send people straight to hell, including yourself.
I know. So sad to see kids indoctrinated into religions. We need to teach kids how to think, not what to think
Covid & Co2 are false dichotomies.
Covid, Baby Boomers turning into Seniors Bust due to seasonal FLu Pneumonia & old age.
Precession of equinoxes not you is causing END TIMES climate change, Motive.
Jesus warned us.
Before I begin, just want to say I love Mormons, used to be one myself, one of the nicest, kindest people I’ve known. Sadly, many are being deceived, but I do know most of them have very good intentions. About 10 years ago, my eyes were opened by the grace of God, probably because I was open minded & I sincerely wanted the truth. I was truly & genuinely searching for it. This particular truth that I’m about to share is just one of the MANY pieces of information that bothered me the most.
Joseph Smith BOASTING he did more THAN JESUS?!😱
Joseph Smith said what?!
“History of the Church”vol. 6, pg. 408-409 (starting at bottom page of 408)
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”
~Joseph Smith😱
I wonder if this is why they STOPPED printing these books, there are 7 books (vol).😳These were written by Joseph Smith himself!😳…And the Church decided to stop printing them? I think I know why they stopped printing these books, I think we all know why.🤔 I feel that it’s best to be honest with the members about the history of the church instead of hiding it, and try to delete it from history & even most of the time, Make excuses for it. I feel that’s incredibly deceptive!😔 I sincerely pray that more and more members of the church, and others in the world that are being deceived, or that are lost can open their eyes & their hearts & have a greater gift of discernment, and can have conviction in their hearts to know the truth & sincerely want the truth. And ultimately have the best & greatest relationship with our Savior Jesus Christ than they ever have before. That is my wish and that is my prayer. Please pray for the lost.🙏♥️ Praise Jesus! Maranatha!
I cannot believe Joseph Smith said that. Wow. Praise God that you were redeemed by Christ! ❤️
How did you handle leaving all your friends and family? I’ve heard that they’ll excommunicate you which that tells you right there they’re not the true church if someone said I don’t want to be Baptist anymore they’re hold their friends and family aren’t going to shut them. So I wonder how you dealt with that because I’ve often thought that even if Mormons really want the truth, they know they would have to walk away from everything that they know including their friends and family.
@@joeglennaz… it was difficult at first because my whole life was Mormonism from birth & it shook me to the core. But Jesus built me up from new & helped me see the truth & I became a Born Again Christian & through this, developed a very personal & beautiful relationship with my savior Jesus, that I never ever had while being a Mormon…..it has been the BEST decision of my life. However I did lose many family members because of my choice but like Jesus states in Matthew 16:25, “For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.” I praise Jesus that I am finally free from Mormonism & I continue to pray for my lost family members & many others that they will too wake up & get to know the true Jesus of the Bible. 🙏♥️ ✝️
Very CULTish how that guy came up at the end and made them suddenly walk away like that
For real! That guy knows the religion is a sham but doesn’t wanna loose one of their boys.
Yeah for sure! I also notice whenever false doctrine is confronted, they immediately want to get out of there. If your gospel is true wouldn’t you want to teach someone in these moments instead of being more concerned about the concert in the background. This is another way that I know 100% Mormonism is false. You can tell by the fruits they DONT produce. As a Christian, I never turn away someone who is asking honest questions. Regardless of what I have going on. The main elder here is clearly questioning what he believes and has moments of doubt but then the brainwashing brings him right back. No matter how uncomfortable, don’t stop teaching the lost the truth of the real God, Jesus & Holy Spirit of the Bible!
because they are a cult
That Mormon man is so sweet and genuine 😭 I sincerely hope he gets saved!! Lord let the seeds planted this night grow! In Jesus name!!
He is saved Laura, he has staked his salvation on Christ, and by definition he will receive what Christ promises.
@@johnnyonthespot3855 He believes in a false Christ and in a false works-based Gospel that cannot save. If a person doesn't believe in the divinity of Jesus, they don't know Jesus.
@gae So who's voice came from the heavens when John the Baptist baptized Jesus? Did he speak to himself?
@gae No You are using your mind to place the God Head in your view, with limited understanding. Your Ego won't make you Right! Jesus didn't talk to himself as a voice from the heavens.
@@rockstar1011 - gae is quoting the word of God, in the Bible. That’s not ego.
That poor “elder” on the right was ready to RUN.
😂
The moment he noticed they were recording he didn't want any part of that... He's like I don't want to viral on YT for being so awkward...!!! I guess his buddy at the end took that away from him....!! I'll pray God would open their eyes ...!!
@@rodv.4726And their hearts! Praise God!
That was an excellent exchange and presentation of The Gospel. Hopefully you planted a stone in the shoe of that one young man who was engaging in the conversation. The other young man appeared dismissive and wanted to leave. You handled their inconsistencies with grace and compassion. Well done and thank you for your ministry!
Definitely not a cult when your perfectly pleasant conversation gets shut down by some random person. Can’t have these young men exposed to any idea’s outside of Mormonism.
The kid on the right got so nervous he went and found someone to come and stop it. He could feel his conscience because he knows the "rules"
At least that's what I assume
Yes, hopefully the seed was planted
Your confusing Old Covenant with New Covenant.
Do you not think a Mormon or Muslim missionary talking to young men outside a church would get "shut down" by someone from the church?
Took the thoughts right out of my mind. Lol
Pray for them! 🙏🏼
It’s sad that those men don’t even know what they believe
Many Christians don't know their own religion and most have never read the Bible cover to cover.
Yes probably take after there parents most likely forced them raised them this way.
I love that you are not only doing it, but showing the fact that you are teaching and training new men to do the same things that the “great” Jeff and Luke and James have done.
Train men and send them out. This is a great example of not making a cult of personality that many might throw at you. Praise God for churches doing what the Bible says.
I've tried to do this myself. It's one of my aspirations
That ending though….didn’t want them to hear the truth anymore.
That is your typical Mormons for you. Always have their heads in the sand!
Right?!
"Do you want to join the conversation?"
"No I dont." It might as well have been, "dont share the truth with these 'elders' anymore!"
“For by a single sacrifice, he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.” (Heb.10.14)
So no additional sacrifices are needed. And because of Christ’s work I do not need J.Smith or LDS, or anyone else to speak for me before God.
There it is.
Ahhh Hebrews… such an underestimated/underrated book.
@@steveleonard7056 If I could only have 2 books they would be Psalms and Hebrews
@@realitywins6457 What about Gensis and Job?
Correction: Genesis and Job.
Looks can be deceiving, that man was so quietly spoken and calm, I really liked his manner. I really believe him when he said that he would change his mind if he could be convinced that the feeling he had was not the Holy Spirit. I pray that God gets through to him.
Im an ex mormon .. now Im a born again Christian .. follower of the real Yeshua/Jesus ... the Jesus from the bible ..
Keep telling the truth brother ...mormons are blind including some members of my familly
It’s honestly heartbreaking to watch somebody’s faith crumble because it’s supported by years of feeble promises that it’s true. I really hope these young men dug into true scripture and realized what they’ve been raised in and that they can escape from it
They (the two) actually have more knowledge than many Christians' who only have perhaps some good, but limited understanding. They are only trying to spread some of that knowledge. Even in the time of Jesus and after - they went out "two by two" to teach the nations.
Yeah, except if they did leave, their families might disown them. Or they could be like some that support them. It all depends all we can do is pray.
Yes pray, study and try to be more like Jesus.@@johnkauffman1191
1. Is there only one god, or are there multiple gods? If multiple, how is a person to choose which deserves obedience? If there is only one good, who is Baal? If Baal is a false god, precisely what makes your god NOT false, aside from it telling you that is the case?
2. Would you agree that before anything can exist, something has to create it?
Did your god create everything? If yes, who/what created your god?
3. Is your god infallible?
4. Is your god omnipotent?
5. Is your god omniscient?
6. Is your god benevolent, or malicious?
7. If your god cannot make mistakes, then it follows that everything it creates is either perfect, or that your god intentionally makes things that are flawed. Would a benevolent god intentionally create something likely to suffer because of its flaws?
8. If your god can do anything, and it created the universe, why didn't it simply create a perfect world inhabited by perfect beings? If your god wanted obedience, and god is not malicious, why did god make disobedience possible?
9. If your god knows everything, does it already understand every thought and feeling you have? Does it instantaneously know everything you say and do? If yes, what is the point of religious rituals, such as prayer?
10. Why would an omnipotent and omniscient god not communicate directly and unambiguously with individuals, with no need of books, churches, prophets, signs, miracles, etc?
If a person is not intelligent enough, or not "worthy" enough to speak directly with god, whose fault is that? Who made the person in the first place? If a person is unworthy or incapable of directly communicating with god, how can that person be capable of recognizing a valid spokesperson for god?
11. Think about the person/people who convinced/persuaded/ordered you to believe in a version of god. Are they infallible? Is it at all possible for them to tell you something they sincerely believe, but for that thing they tell you to be actually incorrect?
12. Are feelings reliable tools to guide actions?
Suppose I hear a person in my neighborhood talking a lot about the presence of violent break in robberies nearby, and I get apprehensive. I am convinced by the passion my neighbor puts into this story, even though I've seen no tangible evidence.
That night, I hear a noise. I FEEL certain that it is a robber breaking in to harm my family. I get out of bed, pull a pistol from the bedside table. Without opening the bedroom door, I shoot through it to get the robber. When I open the door, there is my son, lying dead on the floor from my bullet.
I was sure. I relied on my feelings. My fear of a robber. My hope of being a defender father. Feelings, not facts. Was that a good way to live my life?
Is faith factual knowledge or is it just a feeling, something you choose to believe, without any rational proof?
There are things science does not yet have good explanations for. However, unlike religion, logic and science eagerly accept doubt, challenges and skepticism, and are eager to be revised and improved. They don't claim to be perfect. Religion does.
Religion demands blind obedience, with harsh horrific punishment in this world and the next if you fail to obey. If you ignore science, it doesn't change the facts of science, so no one has to threaten you about it.
Science (reason) built the machine you are reading this message on. Religion blows up clinics and puts burning crosses on people's lawns. Religion persecutes and murders and starts centuries of war.
Religion rapes little kids, then covers it up. Religion tells underage girls they have to get married and have kids like a farm animal slave. Religion is about ignorance and enslavement and threats and judging others for being different. Religion is about cowardly conformity. Religion is about keeping people UNquestioning and OBEDIENT, aka, slaves.
Science (reason) is about rational independent thought. Are you brave enough, strong enough, to think for yourself and stand on your own, apart from others?
14. Do you deny that religion (superstition, irrational behavior) is the root cause of most human conflict in history, that for centuries millions have been tortured and murdered "because god told me to do it"?
13. Suppose a person has a book full of maps to guide a group journey. They rely upon it, but the group is perpetually lost.
You question the book, but your friend insists that the book is accurate.
"How do you know?" you ask.
They reply, "I know that this book is accurate and perfect, because it says so in the book."
Your friend insists that the book is information directly from god....but some other people wrote the book, based on their interpretations, and all of them disagree.....but that is okay, because of how passionately they shout about their version of the maps, and how strongly it makes your friend feel.
When you show them hundreds of self contradictions in the book, they get upset and say that you are just not reading the book correctly.
Which person is messed up? You, or the book fanatic?
How do you justify cherry picking of which parts of the bible to follow? Leviticus much?
Murdered and burned many animals as a sacrifice, as you are required to ?
How many NON religious books have you ever read?
14. If the point is to die and go to heaven, why not simply commit mass suicide and get it over with?
Christ was quite literally a kamikaze; is that what you preach should be emulated in daily life?
15. Why is it necessary to use superstition and irrationality to justify your practical principles?
Why treat humans like a donkey in need of the stick of hell and the carrot of heaven?
If you want positive secular behavior, why not justify that behavior in practical terms?
Religion preys upon the weak and the stupid.
Rationalization is not scholarship.
If your god is so wise, so powerful, WHY is it so petty as to demand unconditional obedience? What kind of god would need much less DEMAND that we grovel and call ourselves unworthy? Unworthy? Who made you in the first place!
If your god is so benevolent, and so omnipotent, why does it deliberately
cause suffering?
Why the grotesque elaborate torture scene of Jesus, when god could have simply changed the world in the blink of an eye, effortlessly?
Oh, your god cannot be understood? Then HOW can you know it even exists?
Where is your factual tangible irrefutable proof?
Suppose I "believe" that you deserve to die and I am allowed by god to kill you. How are you feeling about faith NOW?
Remember 9/11? They crashed those jets because of FAITH, because they believed religion that said they would die as martyrs.
A debate over religion is exactly the same as debate between two inmates in an insane asylum over which voices in their heads are "real".
IRRATIONALITY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. Wake up.
FEELINGS ARE NOT TOOLS TO PERCEIVE REALITY OR GUIDE YOUR LIFE!
@@noneyabusiness2237uhh God is the reason things need to be created. He created that law. Thanks for proving God
Those two elders will be saved after this. You presented the true gospel in away that left them speechless. All they could do was agree with you.
Lets hope they get saved! Praise God the seeds were planted. Now, it's up to our lord!
Haha it’s probably because some of the members aren’t biblically trained, but I know that the LDS church is true and I don’t want to argue but I am willing to have a conversation
A true believer knows the DANGER of a false doctrine! Way to be bold brother. May God continue to bless you and your ministry.
Pete!!! I’ve known him for some years and he’s a wise man of the Lord. Keep it up!!
This gentleman that was teaching the Mormons, I pray that the Holy Spirit will help him every day.
This is so edifying and educating to watch. Keep up the great work guys.
It's so SAD because they are brainwashed with this false teachings of the book of Mormon.
The gentleman in the glasses was ready to GO! 🤣🤣🤣
Right? How can someone stand there for 40+ minutes like that!?
His face got all tensed up everytime the other dude kept the conversation going.
He look like a honey bun
@@FlockOfYahwehwow really? And what do you look like? Mr. Bathroom Selfy?
@@mikhailyaremkiva arab
My heart was sad at the end because he was about to open up with you about a moment when multiple spirits were saying different things. You were so focused on pointing out his inconsistency that he shut down and decided not to share… seems like a missed opportunity.
Maybe, but it was still important to point out.
@@ColinDonisthorpe would you possibly consider getting low before the Lord and asking Him what He thinks? Not saying that I am right in this discussion. But I truly believe when we go before God and say, “I am willing to let you show me if I grieved you in any way.” That humility brings joy to Him. He might just look at you and say, “well done.” Perhaps spend some time in prayer, worship, and the word then watch it, with Jesus, to see if he shows you anything.
@@nicolday5865 yes of course!
Can you ask a Mormon for me: how do they explain the thief on the cross that Jesus said would be in heaven with him without ALLLLLLL the works Mormons are expected to do
I’m an exMormon after 40 years. But you’re coming on a little aggressive. Just one debate after another. Points you were prepared to make that they didn’t know they were gonna be involved in a 1 hour debate. And you don’t really give them a chance, and they’re trying to be polite. But you only want to hear yourself. You’re just rattling on and on and the other missionary wants to go home and eat. “Right? Right?”
I pray those young Mormon men's eyes would be unblinded & hearts unhardened to the truth that was being preached to them. 🙏
I pray you'll learn to call them by their correct name and not use slang.
The young man is very open but indoctrinated into something he does not fully understand. Interesting how the elder Mormon swooped in for the save. Wrong kind of "save" but it's what they know.
I have so much love for Mormans. They are so gentle, they communicate lovingly, and there is alot to like and admire in the people. My old boss was Morman, and I loved him like a father.
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." Psalm 90:2
Amen
Amen
As much as I think they're a cult, I grew up around a lot of Mormons in my small rural community in Michigan and they were by far some of the nicest people I've ever met.
This is true. I’ve literally never met a Mormon who wasn’t extremely nice.
They act nice, it's very behavioristic, not genuine. God doesn't care how polite you are, but wants to change your heart. Thank you Jesus for dying for my sins.🙏
@@shawnbowers4836 sounds like a false binary, there are plenty of examples of God wanting you to be kind and wanting to change your heart, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
@@shawnbowers4836 you wont be saved if youre an asshole even if saying you believe in Jesus
@@jonbayuga3238 I understand what you're saying, there's a lot of fake Christians out there, who say they believe, but they're attitude and lifestyle doesn't reflect Christ. What i was saying, is that being nice and doing good works alone doesn't save you. I'm sure a lot of Christians would agree with that
Thank you for taking time with these young men. Perhaps they will be able to seek the scriptures to find these answers and the Lord will bring them to Truth.
When I lived in Utah for six years, I spoke with Mormon missionaries. They gave me the Book of Mormon. I wrote down questions to ask about content in it. They believe if 3 Elders in the church witness someone sinning & not repenting, they have the authority to condemn the sinner. The missionaries verified that as fact. That was the end for me. Only God can judge, not higher-ups in the Mormon church. 🙅🏻♀️
I’m a member and have never heard that…
@@Cwa712 It’s in the Book of Mormon!
And yet members of born again churches judge everyone in their own church, especially the so-called backsliders. Such hypocrisy.
@@marynellessen8790 would you be willing to clarify where that is found in the Book of Mormon? I too have never heard of that
@@kadenstutzman6216 I’ve tried looking for it but wouldn’t you know, I’m not able to find it. Instead of giving the book back to the missionaries, I should have KEPT IT! Secondly, it would help if I had written the names of the young guys discussing with me. They couldn’t answer my question and couldn’t give me an answer when they came the following week. I gave their book back and declined any further meetings. When I researched on the LDS site, todays version mentions non repentant sinners but not in the verbiage I read in 1986 (or thereabouts) Strange….. 🙄
This is love, how this man can come out here and have the patience to talk to these two.
The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is honored, there was real Salt in his words.
Keep fighting the good fight! The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
These street evangelists are doing a great job. What about personal revelation. It’s unfalsifiable to use the “for its own time” in regards to revelation. It will ultimately die out as a religion from trying to keep up with the times. What about “God” still “learning” and changing what he teaches to each “profit”.
The seed was planted, period. If he didn't want to receive (the Mormon) he would've left immediately. There's a reason he stayed. Bible says never to lean on your own understanding. The Bible IS the word of GOD, period.
Who was the dude that came and snatched them away? Geeze.
good job Pete! Loved hearing you speak for the first time.
If that’s not cultish idk what is man
You could see that guy second guest mormonism. Things weren't adding up and he knew it.
I'm so thankful to our Lord that I get to attend apologia church pastor Jeff and everyone are absolutely amazing and so loving and always take time to take care of everyone in the church 💙
It makes no sense though. Jeff is a Calvinist, so why would they stop and have conversations with people that were “predetermined” to hell?
@@ChristianityRecap how do we know who is predestined? We don’t? We’re told to go and preach. Plant seeds, water. It’s up to God for how/if it grows.
@@amandas.3065 I agree with this, but I disagree with Calvinism. God didn’t create a person to be destined to hell and then when they die he tells them they’re going to hell because they didn’t repent. That’s obnoxious.
@@ChristianityRecap
"I agree with this,"
From reading your response, you really don't. As amandas.3065 stated, no one knows who the elect are. Only God knows that. So, our job is to tell others of the good news and then allow God to do with His creation as He sees fit for HIs own purpose and glory. God is the creator, we are mere creatures. Therefore, He can, again, do what He wants to with His creation whether we like it or not. If you keep this in mind, you probably will sleep better at night.
If I didn’t have my awesome pastor I pray I’d find one like Apologia church pastors! ❤
Keep fighting the good fight brothers!!
Man!!! Great Tenderness my brother in Christ. Incredible teaching and patience!!!! Very encouraging. TRUTH!
A lot of LDS church members don't know the gospel well enough for debates. There are others that could do dances all over the place with LDS doctrine because they know all the resources and scriptures.
A lot of Mormons when they usually bump into folks like Jeff..Some will usually say (Well Maybe) (Well Possibly) (Well I think) etc etc a lot of them don't know there own book or teaching's.
These people are so lost they have no idea.
But, Pete planted a seed.
Get them a road map.
The dude with the glasses is doing the peepee dance... 🤣
Lol
Thank you for your love you show these Mormons. I pray the seed of the Holy Spirit take root in their hearts and the gospel of Christ waters. Amen 🙏 ❤
Again.. I think we need to point out that the name Jesus/yeshua was a common name back then. So “which Jesus?” Is definitely the point to push.
/yeshua? That's Synagogue of Satan talk drop the Yiddishizing of the Name above all Names, your playing into their hands.
Conventional religions are a waste of time, debating them are are a waste of time and breath, it's a bunch of convoluted translations and reinterpretation that are cherry picked to confirm to modern society
All i can say is Thank you God for leading me away from Mormonism. I am so blessed to be Christian...
God's mercy is bringing the truth of God's word to these young men. 💞Glory💞
This guy attacking the missionaries is such a clown. And most of what he says is twisted. But anyway...
Facts
Ouch, that stern word at minute 34 hit em to the core. Sounded like he wanted to get defensive until you humbled yourself and asked him if he intended it to be offensive. Awesome work brethren. 🙌🏻
So you are a damned to hell Mormon? I guess that's just fine with you and that Burning Bosom.
@@IamGreatsword hey! yuu talkin to me???(must use Robert Deniro voice & squint). If so, no, just a Christian here, 🙋🏻♂️, hello.
@@ChristnCars You didn't say who you were talking about. There are Mormons here on this whole string who are encouraging their Damned False wanna be called Christian LDSMormons. It's sad really because they are so indoctrinated and Brainwashed to see it as the 11th number on the Amp. If I considered you as a Mormon/LDS false doctrinizers then I apologize for that.
@@ChristnCars 👋
@@IamGreatsword all good bro, I come in peace. I’d just suggest holstering the 6 shooter until needed. You seem a little too trigger happy, respectfully.
Omg, another Pharisee just like in Jesus's time who tried to entrapped Jesus. This Elder told him he got his testimony from the Holy Ghost after praying if the the B of M is true but that didn't satisfied this guy. It wouldn't have made any difference if this Elder had answered all his questions. Jesus didn't ans Pilate. "John 19:9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer." Who is this Elder going to believe the Holy GHOST or this mocker "2 Peter 3:3. This guy can keep on trying to deceive them but he won't succeed because they already know the TRUTH from THE HOLY GHOST NOT MAN!!! This guy was jumping from scriptures to scriptures and making his own conclusions on what they mean now that's SCARY!!! Heavenly Father told Adam and Eve "Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" I'm sure this guy thinks even H F failed because they didn't die that day. NO OF COURSE NEITHER GOD NOR JOSEPH SMITH FAILED!!!. Remember a 1000 yrs is like a day to H F so they did die when they were about 900+yrs almost a 1000 yrs which is a day for the Almighty.
This kid on the right has been SOOO nervous ever since the conversation started to get real
I think he was being passive and careless. He was more worried about getting to his event than caring about what was being talked about
Excellent work brother I pray these men will be saved.
The most peaceful and intellectual conversation . Great work brothers!
The apologia person has an agenda, is setting the tone and controlling the conversation.
The missionary is trying his best to counter the conclusions put forth, but his experience and depth of knowledge and lack of a prepared subtle agenda, renders this entire discussion moot.
The apologia guy is all over the place in his presentation, throwing out thoughts and scriptures that these young missionaries are not prepared for.
But the one missionary is trying very hard and is to be applauded.
PS- any church subscribing to the creeds and sola scriptura, or any sola, is totally unbiblical.
This was truly inspiring to watch! Many thanks to Apologia for sharing this!
Yeah, but he quoted Romans 10:9 wrong.
@@ghostl1124 🤔😒 really?
it's funny watching the other guy just smirking 😏. Jesus is King of Kings! Repent from your sins!! Turn to the true Jesus!!!!! Alpha and Omega!!!
Thanks for your witness for the truth, brothers!
Hey are you guys in st.george?
19:17
There are a few things that have to be done. Works are the evidence of faith. (James 2:13-24)
Members of Christian denominations incorrectly judge members of The Church of Jesus Christ, concerning our understanding of works.
One example is John 3:5-7
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
-the covenant of Baptism is essential.
Another example, first, Corinthians 6:9.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
-obedience is required.
Another example, Ezekiel 18:30.
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
- And if we are not obedient, in other words, if we sin, we can repent and ask for that saving grace, because of the atonement of Jesus Christ.
-So, therefore, faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, the covenant and ordinances of Baptism, and the reception of the Holy Ghost are also required.
Alma 42:15
15 And now, the plan of mercy could not be brought about except an atonement should be made; therefore God himself atoneth for the sins of the world, to bring about the plan of mercy, to appease the demands of justice, that God might be a perfect, just God, and a merciful God also.
Jesus saves us from physical death and spiritual death
Physical death is the separation of the body from the spirit.
Spiritual death is the separation of the spirits of mankind from our Father, in Heaven, because of sin.
Salvation is granted to all mankind who accept Jesus Christ, and is the reuniting of the body and the spirit, because of the Resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Exaltation is becoming heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ.
(Romans 8) and entering the kingdom of heaven.
Alma 11:42
42 Now, there is a death which is called a temporal death; and the death of Christ shall loose the bands of this temporal death, that all shall be raised from this temporal death.
Alma 11:40-41
40 And he shall come into the world to redeem his people; and he shall take upon him the transgressions of those who believe on his name; and these are they that shall have eternal life, and salvation cometh to none else.
41 Therefore the wicked remain as though there had been no redemption made, except it be the loosing of the bands of death; for behold, the day cometh that all shall rise from the dead and stand before God, and be judged according to their works.
Matthew 16:27
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
John 5:22-23
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
I wish my great grandfather could’ve heard this. It would have helped bring generations to the eternal God (Jesus)
Nothing like getting blindsided by well practiced Calvinist Evangelicals with hidden cameras to demonstrate an insincere attempt to teach someone the Gospel. Real entertaining. Given the importance of salvation, why didnt these guys lead off with their primary teaching of predestination which is that Christs Atonement was only perforned in behalf of the "elect" (them)? Somehow that doesnt sound so universally appealing to me. Lets note that Apologia Studios church is one of over 10,000 different Evengelical "churches". That elect group is getting pretty small isnt it?
Every time a Christian shows where Mormonism disagrees with the Bible, the missionaries have to be somewhere else! Every single time 😅
Read the book of mormon and make them explain how there are horses in America before Columbus. Explain why no jewish phenotypes exist in America before the Spanish conquerors. Explain why there are no archeological artifacts of steel and wheat from between 500ad and 1500 ad
Great preaching you are a blessed man.
“Huh?” Dude needs to change the record. And speaking of ‘changing the record’ - the AWFUL music in the background
To the Apologia studio man:
I understand and see your passion. I get excited too. You need to work on letting these people finish their sentences. It's super apparent that you've had these conversations and have prepared rebuttals. Why would this young man open up to the chance of something different when you cut him off? I don't agree with the Mormons nor do I agree with all of your teaching. However, the point stands that if you truly desire to make a difference in the lives of these people, you'll learn to hold your tongue and let them feel heard as if you actually cared more about their salvation than getting your next rebuttal out.
i dont know if you watched the same video i did. But he didnt do any of what you are saying, they had a congruent conversation. not too sure how you think a conversation should go.
@@doozy1776 at the moment I am writing this there is 19 other 👍 and myself that seen what I described and one comment that did not. If you are watching this learning how to prepare arguments I can see how you would think this was a great and equal discussion. However, if you watch this from the side of... Is this man going to feel heard and loved on where he would actually consider stepping away from the church? No. The guy even cut him off while giving his testimony. The most important and precious thing this kids got which is the pin he hangs all his belief on... And he gets cut off because the apologia guy is more involved in sharing a truth than hearing this kid out. Like I said in the beginning. While talking about God I get excited to and want to share as things come to mind and this is an area I need to work on also. I'm not guilt free in this area. We all need to work on making people feel heard AND THEN share from our compassion.
Hey, I understand that he was cutting off the ‘elder’ at times and not so great cause they heard more things to say. But yeah, you don’t agree with the Mormons but also the Apologetics teachings. Do you mind sharing more on that?
@@kartumagm8975I agree that Jesus is the Son of God. No question there. However I also believe that the Bible clearly teaches there is a singular one God almighty. Here's my 12 minute video about it. ruclips.net/video/tKqpWchg90I/видео.html
I think it's extremely risky that they preach "you have the wrong Jesus and you can't be saved because of it" when the Jesus they preach is a pre existence triune God which the Bible, when truly searched out, does not support. I take nothing from the biblical facts that Jesus is the Fathers son, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, walked in sign and wonders, has been resurrected, given all power and authority from the Father and that we must believe in the son for salvation as He is our way to the Father... But to say that Jesus is God in the same sense the Father is... The Bible doesn't support that idea.
Please watch my video before blasting me. I also have a video explaining why the Holy Spirit is the presence of the Father and not mysterious a 3rd person if you'd like to check it out.
Correct. To an unbiased ear there is an element of performance art. It would be interesting to consider whether Christ would allow his servants to record themselves confronting believers of other faiths for likes, subs, and (most importantly) donations. Mormon missionaries are not permitted to do this. Maybe it really is another Jesus.
Makes me so sad how strongly they believe their doctrine … even when faced with the hard truth. This Christian really made a strong argument. I hope this young LDS things about it seriously.
If Mormonism is so true the missionaries should have been able to refute this evangelist easily with proof or scripture of some sort. The truth is that Mormonism is unbiblical and heretical in every way
Most Christians would also have failed if they debated an atheist. Truth comes in many colors, shapes and sizes. Mormonism teaches the Bible. They spend an entire year in 2022 teaching the Old Testament in Sunday School.
@@scottbrandon6244 Not entirely accurate. First of all, forget denominations. Is a Christian really a Christian if they haven't read God's Word? They can't be. They don't know him. They listen to a man who interprets for them once a week and hope they are saved.
As far as LDS learning OT, it's like every other church. They learn snippets and dance around or move past what's uncomfortable to decipher or uncomfortable to their faith.
The problem with religions like LDS is that their priority is loyalty to the church and the Book of morman instead of believing 💯% in Jesus and the Bible alone!
Gods holy work being done
All of these LDS missionaries are 18 or 19 yr old kids. Just remember that folks. They’re wrong 100% but give ‘em a break and the love of Christ
This is great. It reminds me of when you speak with the Jews and they always refer to the Talmud as the correct interpretation of the bible. They leave it up to their Rabbis. Even when you share the true words from the Bible they ask to see it for they never heard it or read it. Just like the Mormons. They rely on the teachings of Joseph Smith, a false prophet. Pray the Holy Spirit works in these young mens lives.
Wow that's a great point. Quran as well. 😢
I love these interactions, however I wish people would understand that these missionaries dont have the knowledge that you many think they do about the LDS church. So, you cant thoroughly convince them of what you're saying because they dont follow the logic train that you do. You can tell these missionaries aren't fully following the logic here. You have to dumb it down for these kinds of interactions and conversations. I have noticed this with a lot of these videos on Mormonism. The information is fantastic, but just tailor it to your audience a bit more and the results will be better.
Learned a lot from this, thanks guys, God bless!
The Mormon guy seems very genuine and willing to hear the other side. Unfortunately, I feel the Book of Mormon is one of the most harmful ideas and quite frankly blasphemy against what is the Word of God.
Its sad how watching this whole first bit the blonde man was feeling genuinely conflicted. Hes being spiritually confronted and you can see confusion dawn on him. The boy with black hair has been punched out the whole conversation, and then tries to bounce and get out of the talk. So sad.
The other elder is texting the mission president.. help us.. please.. help us..
ya can't debate with them.. they are not stating facts these are beliefs..
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They’re referring to D&C 130:14-17. In this passage, Joseph Smith shares that he once prayed to know when the 2nd coming will happen. God answers him by saying “if you live to be 85, you’ll see Jesus’s face, now don’t bother me with this question again.” Joseph Smith then goes on to comment that he wasn’t sure what to make of it. Whether it meant Jesus would come then, or that Joseph would die and go to Jesus. But it was his opinion that the 2nd coming won’t be until after Joseph’s 85th birthday, at least.
So this isn’t even a prophecy. Joseph got an answer to his personal prayer that he didn’t fully understand, and he gave his opinion on it.
Excellent Answer ☝🏻
Which still wouldn't add up with scripture. Scripture says no man knows the day or hour, not even Jesus himself only God the father knows.
Matthew 24:36
King James Version
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
This is consistent with that verse. The chapter summary for D&C 130 even says “The time of the Second Coming is withheld from the Prophet”
Here’s the entire passage in question: “ I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:
15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.
16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.
17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.”
So Joseph Smith did not know the day or hour, he didn’t even know the year. He was told that if he lived until age 85, he would see Jesus. This appearance doesn’t even have to be THE 2nd coming. It could be a regular appearance, it could just be what Joseph sees after his death, or any number of things.
Wish all Christians could have the attitudes of Mormons. And I wish Mormons would find Jesus, truly
Scripture 8:43 Mormon Arm Sign 9:25 Coincidence?
Dude that guy’s demon was manifesting or something. Of course, it could be a tick, but that was wild.
Weirded me out seeing that
You'll need to checkout Trent horn to know what a truly Catholic Christian is.
Well done sir. I pray The Lord continues to give you wisdom and bravery to preach the real gospel to the lost.
The LSD church needs some education and stop tripping over J.Smith
This brother is good at making them think and contrasting Joseph with the Scripture.
Galatians 4:16 Am I now therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?!
After 2 minutes of [not] talking, the quieter preacher of death looked at his watch and directly up at his brother (like, 'danger', time ta go)!
Right! He was so anchy to get going...
Ohp, Exactly 2min later he does the exact same move. It is Not possible to make People listen. i will say that saying something attention grabbing can work to enact the engagement.
Sad to see that older Mormon man force them away so as not to be confronted by the truth. Typical cult control tactics.
I think it’s absolutely great that you are going to these lost souls.
I think you have to ask more questions and allow them to put the contradictions on the table. Ask what they believe (even if you know). Share Scripture and then ask how to reconcile their view with Scripture.
Agreed - I’m sure he was working overdrive in part because they appeared to be crawling out of their skin, wanting escape. He likely felt pressured to get the truth out there.
Here a little there a little precept upon precept line upon line, all scripture is profitable for teaching.
Only God could melt that young man's heart, with the glasses. He goes from cursing under his breath, angry, annoyed, impatient & intolerant. To intrigued by the gospel & you could see his stone heart melted quite a bit. I don't know if he took off to call an elder & that helped calm him, but he definitely was taking something into his spirit...