What I love the most about your presentations is that you come at the case in a completely different way than me -- you're very investigative, while I am immersed in the psychological aspect. Which means I can come to your channel for a completely different but harmonious perspective. Yet at the same time, you seem to have a very good grasp on the psychology as well. Thanks for such an in-depth comparison!
Looking forward to this one. As I commented in Part 1, I am from L.I. Long Island and I appreciated your effort in Part 1, Edward. EDIT: I also appreciate the fact that you properly pronounced Massapequa (kwa) instead of Massapequa ( pika) . A lot of people, those not from the area, pronounce the name incorrectly.
I came to the comments to say the same thing. It's not totally surprising since a portion of our hamlets are English towns. We also have Dutch and Native American. Massapequa is, of course, anglicized of a Native American term. The only name he got wrong is Moriches, but he was so close that it's totally fine. The hamlet is pronounced as "more-itches".
Since you always investigate those closest to the victim first in order to eliminate...it is odd that no investigation of Lechmere occurred at all. You don't get much closer to a victim than being the one seen standing over her.
It is only odd until you realise that the police started their investigation into the murders on the (probably mistaken) belief that no Englishman could have committed them. Their cognitive blindspot most likely prejudiced the entire investigation.
6:00 Search dogs, and human search and rescue personell for that matter, often conduct exercises in and around locations where people have gone missing, difficult to get more realistic terrain, and there is always the hope that one day someone might stumble into a find, much like appears to have happened here.
I’m really enjoying this compelling and fascinating comparison Edward. And the quality and sound of these new videos is superb. Thank you for sharing all your hard work.
22:10-25:52 Another excellent episode, Edward. What I think you get spot on here with regard to the geography / non-geographic profile argument with regard to CAL is that there is something compelling about all the little coincidences. My understanding of how geographic profiling works is that it is a fallible tool that, used correctly, can help to identify a likely culprit. However, the geographic and the psychological profiles do tend to be used in conjunction with one another, and it is the latter which is used to exclude someone from the investigation. I think this is the essential point here because the common criticism (which I once shared) is that the geographic profile could fit literally thousands of men living and/or working in the Whitechapel area. This is true, but the key difference is that the vast majority of them can be excluded from the streets, or the scene(s) of the crime, at the precise hour of the morning in which they took place. Hence, the search pool is already reduced to the handful of men (there's a greater than 90 per cent chance it's a man) known to be out and about at that time, only one of whom can be directly placed at the scene of a recently committed murder. With these exclusions, the psychological profile is only likely to be a match for one possible from the list of likely suspects who remain. In this sense, the circumstantial evidence builds a similar picture, all pointing in a certain direction and away from others. Whilst there is the rebuttal this does not axiomatically mean CAL was Jack the Ripper -- there is a possibility, however remote, that he was simply (and wholly innocently) in the wrong place at the wrong time -- what it does do is raise the possibility that it might have been. Working according to today's police investigative procedures necessarily means he has to first be excluded as a suspect from the investigation, which is where following up on his bona fides, his alibi, routines, etc., comes into question. He is probably the only suspect who cannot be entirely removed from the shadow of doubt. What is nevertheless fascinating is that Laura Richards' profile ( see: ruclips.net/video/8iAGyHU9800/видео.htmlsi=VwMqobV2GqN7AaX- ) does not appear to be a particularly good match for the geographic profile compiled in the same documentary by Prof. Rossmo**: the latter's model points towards someone living within the killing zone, which is what we see in the Rex Heuermann case, but Richards' psychological profile is instead suggestive of an opportunist who may or may not have lived in the area by necessity. As she said herself, however, the killer absolutely must have been familiar and comfortable enough with the locales to feel safe enough to commit his crimes. Moreover, there are too many indications that these crimes were not the work of a compulsive schizophrenic or someone with social incompetence, opportunistic or not, because Richards herself says there is a level of tactical planning involved and that the killer is likely to have seemed relatively innocuous, thereby potentially ruling out some other possible suspects. If the main objection to Lechmere is that he would not have killed on his way to or from work, I think her profile suggests precisely that an opportunistic killer might very well have done so. I think the biggest unknown quantity here is whether or not there really is a connexion between the Jack the Ripper sequence and the Thames torso murders. Granted, it is not as unusual as some might suppose for a serial killer to change their MO, which is a reasonable proposition here, yet the objection is raised often enough: it is all supposition. This is perhaps true, but once again, I think it is the particular combination of geography and biography which helps to whittle away those doubts. One coincidence, fine. Two, maybe. But three or more (and there is much, much more in CAL's case that just the three assuming you are correct) is simply far too uncanny and much too fantastic to ascribe it to mere chance. As per my comments on your other videos, the supposition and eerie coincidences might not suffice as proof of guilt, but they do provide enough evidence for the police nowadays to consider CAL as their prime suspect. He most certainly would be investigated, that's for sure. And, since the police do work backwards, if they cannot exclude the possibility that the last person known to have discovered the body is absolutely innocent, then they are likely to move the investigation forward on the basic assumption of his probable guilt until such time as evidence becomes available to absolve him of suspicion. (As for the allegations against Rex Heuermann, the evidence stacks up strongly against him. Like CAL, if he really is innocent, then he's the unluckiest man alive.) ** I also wonder how Prof. Rossmo's model might change if the Thames torso sequence, plus Martha Tabram and perhaps some of the other "possibles" were included, i.e., whether or not the model would indicate Doveton Street as a potential residential location with any great statistical strength or if the geographical spread of these other murders simply throws the model off by way of stochastic unpredictability (that is, "chance")?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I get the sense you’re sceptical, Edward. Still, I think your point that “geographics” does not equal “geographic profiling” is the correct inference, just that I think what’s missing is some linking up to Laura Richards’ psychological profiling that she has compiled with regard to who may or may not have been Jack the Ripper. In the case of the Gilgo Beach murders, the Rossmo model seems on the money, but if Lechmere really is the prime suspect, then Prof. Rossmo’s model is waayyyy off. Anyway, it would be very interesting to see a video from you that delves into each of these aspects in order to see how much of it aligns with CAL and to what extent there might still be room for doubt about his involvement.
Another excellent episode, Edward. I didn't even think about the similar connections between earlier famous local murders (Ratcliff Highway and Amityville murders). That totally passed me by. Very good catch. Nice one 👍
In your video about the torso murders I find it beyond a coincidence that a torso was found freshly wrapped and dumped in the footprint of Lechmere's mother's demolished home. 🤔 😯
Thank you, Ed. I’m happy to contribute to your brilliant channel! This is been an interesting series. I look forward to your analysis of the other Whitechapel murder suspects.
thank you for pronouncing my hometown correctly, we notice and appreciate it. I live 2 milles from these burials. I think many killers over the last 80 years at least dropped bodies there
Another excellent couple of videos by Ed Stow. It always strikes me that with these series of multiple murders by these types of serial killers how easily the Police get overwhelmed; possibly the worst example being that of Peter Sutcliffe. Why do they get so obsessed with one line of enquiry like Leather Apron & The Wearside Voice tape?
Very plausible and persuasive points, Ed. Now we just need to find out that a Heuermann relative once owned a cat meat business... 😉 But seriously - a very thoughtful and well-argued video. And kudos to you for crediting all the people who left comments. 👏👏👏
Your insight into Jack the Ripper has been very interesting to watch, the comparisons now between the LISK .. or a Long Island Iced T, truly fascinating. The sensitivity which you show regards some rather repugnant true crime facts is gonna make me smash the like button and subscribe 👍
I should follow this up by saying this: I have been studying this case for close to 50 years. And before your videos I would have placed Lechmere very low on my list of likely suspects - Those that I don't consider completely absurd. After watching your videos I would place him as, if not number 1, then among the top 2 or 3 likely known suspects. (Still think it's a good chance that it's someone we've never even heard of...). But this speaks to well you've researched, and thought out, and deliver your argument. So, believe it or not, I am a fan.
The theory that JTR is some unknown white chapel local who evaded scrutiny and suspicion fits llechmere/cross perfectly, he WAS an unknown suspect for a century.
Your pronunciation was perfect! I am from NY, although I no longer live there, but you did well. I enjoy your videos. The deaths themselves aren't as interesting as the pursuit of the truth. Also the social conditions in Londen in 1888 as well as the social conditions in the USA. Nothing on earth is more interesting than trying to figure out why some people do what they do, and why people who grew up in the same area under the same conditions NEVER abuse the ones they "love" and NEVER commit crimes. People sure are complicated. I think most killers and Physico's just become politicians! Thank you again for all your hard work and great videos.
I remember how in previous videos you spoke about how Lechmere went into business. Yes, this could be one of the reasons why he stopped. He no longer had time to indulge his vicious fantasies. And as you pointed out, he was getting older.
I’d just like to add a couple of more reason why some serial killers stop. The initial thrill, the kick if you will, that serial killers experience during their first murder, which also is the reason why they became serial killers in the first place, diminishes drastically for every new murder they commit, up to the point when the act of killing become almost mundane, routine, dull. They often try to recreate the initial ecstasy by changing the ritual and increasing violence, psychological and physical both. But they can’t get the fix anymore. A fairly intelligent serial killer would eventually weigh that loss of excitement to the risk of getting caught (which of course increases for every new murder), and may conclude it’s not worth the risk anymore. Yet another reason for pausing, or quitting altogether, may be very personal and life changing events , such as falling madly in love or becoming a father for instance.
That was very well argued. The pattern you describe of that initial excitement / rush / fix is akin to drug / substance abuse for which there is never enough to recreate those feelings that one initially gets. Similarly, many who have been heavy use addicts and whom haven't managed to kill themselves in the process of regularly using, often come to realise that the good times have gone and they do, indeed, stop, clean themselves up and become healthy and functioning individuals. The similarity just struck me after your description. Perhaps the likes of BTK and others who were caught many many years later after they had committed their heinous crimes and finally 'downed tools' as it were, including Lechmere if he was in fact JTR, held mementoes / trophies from their acts and reminisced with fondness over their evil deeds as well as basking in some kind of private glory over their secret knowledge of getting away with the crimes they had committed. It has always seemed, to me at least, that serial killing is a 'young man's game' if you get what I mean and that fits in with what you were saying. 👍😎
I listened to the Shannon Gilbert 911 calls and i concur with your conclusion that this woman was most likely not murdered. Everyone else in the phone calls at her location was either trying to get away from her or trying to get her away from them with the exception of the driver who appeared to be trying to help her. Why he gave up on her/lost her in the darkness is the only part that seems unclear. The idea that serial killers sometimes stop killing for reasons other than their death or incarceration has to be true due to the number of unsolved murders out there. I look forward to your video on theories as to why Lechmere would have stopped, and whether it was sudden or whether his behaviour dwindled out over time as his lifestyle and other circumstances changed. He seemed to be becoming increasingly comfortable with killing and with mutilation so i doubt very much he would have been capable of coming to a sudden stop. If he dwindled out over time then there are more murders to be linked to him, along with possible changes in M.O. I get the feeling that you know some of the answers to these questions already. Best wishes to you
I would like to add that mental illness ran rampant in Gilbert's family. Shannon's sister murdered their mother, which is stunning to hear because Shannon's mother was very vocal and public about catching the killer. She is in all the documentaries and movies about LISK and was killed after the furver died down.
As far as I can understand there were two witnesses who saw the car, one witness who saw “a dark-colored truck”, and Amber Costello’s pimp who identified the car as “ a first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche”. But what is more interesting is that the police managed to link the burner phone used to lure Costello to her death to Heuermann’s hometown of Massapequa Park. So it’s not just the taunting phone calls that links to Heuermann but this one too.
I read over the actual witness statement somewhere and I'm pretty sure there was only one witness - Amber Costello's roommate with whom she concocted the boyfriend scam.
"During one of their final meetings, roughly two years after the women went missing, he said he picked the truck's model out of a line-up of photographs provided by the detectives."
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I see. There are however quite a few reasonably trustworthy newspapers that refer to a testimony by her pimp, who also provided the description of Heuermann as Ogre-like. He picked out the model, color and year of the car. The pimp was interviewed by the police soon after Costello’s disappearance but it was overlooked until the new task force reviewed the case.
@@Legionmint7091 Yes, but it's possible the police discounted the word of a pimp as unreliable. If the police have a more reliable witness whose testimony they can use to narrow down the search, that's likely what they went with, thereby treating the pimp's testimony as corroborative of the other evidence (i.e., as being indicative that the police investigation is heading in the right direction). Perhaps it went overlooked for that reason?
@@feliscorax I wouldn’t be surprised at all if your right. But when you get such a specific description of the make and model, in a case that have had very little evidence to go on, I’m a bit surprised the police didn’t follow it up. Then again, it could have been the human factor and the testimony simply got misplaced or fell between two stools.
Great video Edward, and thank you for a mention in the credits. I'm very much looking forward to your next videos about the other Whitechapel suspects. Especially George Chapman, as I think he's somebody who has to be under serious consideration too. So if you are going to do a video on him, it'll be interesting to hear your views.
I don't agree that George Chapman is a serious suspect in the Whitechapel murders. He poisoned women, and I don't think most people change their MO that drastically. Didn't he intimately know all his victims? The investigators back then didn't know as much about serial murders as they do now. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong. There is doubt that Chapman could even speak English, just like Aaron Kosminski couldn't speak English either. The police were convinced it was a polish jew, or so they kept saying. Whether Kosminski or Chapman.
Although I believe Lechmere was also a Thames Thorso Killer, it's not that difficult to see why Lechmere might stop killing after Mary Jane Kelly murder. As there was a heavier police presence in Whitechapel after MJK murder, it's not that difficult to imagine Lechmere was stopped and interrogated by a PC who saw him while he was walking to Pickfords and this happened near one JTR's crime scene at roughly the time of the murder (which is true by default). It's possible this interrogation scared Lechmere as he realised that what was an asset in case of Polly Nichols murder, can be a liability if the murders continue (and who knows how intensive this hypothethical interview might have been). Serial killers can stop if nearly caught and Lechmere might have realised that carrying JTR's style of murders has become simply too risky.
i agree. plus the change in the weather.he had also ticked the boxes on his bucket list. he was a clever man. he was calculating. he had control of his "hobby"
Yes. It is a valid reason to “go dark”. It is also a valid reason to change MO. It is also valid in the event he’s innocent. Anything is possible once we start with the suppositions; what is concrete in the case against Lechmere are the geographical and biographical details plus the fact he was the “discoverer” of a recently murdered victim within the killer’s window of opportunity. These facts alone are already sufficient to build a case just not necessarily to convict.
@@feliscorax "what is concrete in the case against Lechmere ...within the killer’s window of opportunity" You missed quite a few, as QC James Scobie would say, "data points". If one assume murderer of Polly Nichols was disturbed in the act (extent of her injuries +covering her abdominal wounds instead of posing victim in provocative position), then one very quickly identifies Lechmere as the culprit. If one assumes the killer was "learning" (and cover her abdominal wounds because he was apparently ashamed how much he still has to learn though, to his credit, with the murder of Annie Chapman only 8 days later he already got his "house in order" ), then one needs to add more data points (the fact that Lechmere and Paul shared, partly litted, path to Buck's Rows and Lechmere saying at the testimony he saw or heard nothing suspicious at Buck's Row is no longer enough, for example). But you still get, as QC James Scobie would say, "the most probative case courts use against individual suspects".
Good analysis, all perfectly stated, all the objections you clarify have never been mine of course, serial Killers do stop etc, my hesitancy regarding Lechmere is just that I need more evidence to be sure but all your arguments are clear and concise and accurate. If you do look at other suspects, it would be good to look at the more relevant ones and not the fanciful (Lewis Carroll etc). Suspects such as Jacob Levy, Hyam Hyam, James Hardiman or known killers like William Bury all I agree have little evidence but represent the type of suspects along with someone such as Lechmere or someone like him. I do beleive he was a local unassuming man.
When I saw the title of this I thought what! But you did a great comparison and fits better than the BLT who loves the limelight! Great logical creator who knows what he’s talking about! Thx!
as a very long surporter of cross being jack i love your house of letchmere i just dont understand anyone who cant see it was cross all along any way thanks edward
It seems the theory of Letchmere goes like this. When he was indoors and could use a saw to dismember then dismember is what he did. But you can't carry a saw in the street. When he murdered in the street he tried to use a knife to dismember. Didn't have the skill to do so though - at least not until 1889. P.S. I do believe he is the only suspect at all, never mind the most viable.
All these poor women, then and now, not to forget the two male and one infant victim also. Terrible. I'm glad forensic science has marched on since JTR's time and continues to do so. The estimates on active/inactive serial killers in the US are horrifying, 150/300 from memory.
I think people don't connect the JtR murders with the other murders in the area because we think killing five (or six, including Martha Tabram) women should be enough to satisfy any psychopath (especially after the butchering of Mary Kelly) although Gilgo Beach seems to be more like a cemetery than a beach.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I think the difference between JtR and the Gilgo killer is that the latter seems to be a typical sadistic serial killer who was motivated by abnormal sexual urges (he actually had a sexual relationship with his victims), whereas the former seems to have been more interested in shocking the public, i.e., displaying the victims' mutilated bodies to be seen. This characteristic supports the Lechmere theory since the mutilation of Nichols's body was not exposed, and you can ask why not? That is why JtR is a distinct case - a uniquely sinister one.
I’m surprised the “triangle shape” on the back of the truck was interpreted as being the “v” in Chevrolet and not the triangle-shaped trusses on either side of the the back of the truck connected to the window
Solving a serial killer case is always difficult because the killer has to somehow be identified and often the initial evidence is scant enough and vague enough for a competent investigator to draw the wrong conclusions. With Lechmere, he was never investigated even though he was at the scene of a murder. In the US, when someone dies not under direct medical care, the scene is classified as a crime scene until the medical examiner says otherwise. Also, the police and ME will conduct a preliminary investigation to see if the death is consistent with natural causes or is a murder. This even true when it's obvious to all but the dimmest the death is natural causes. Also, the body will be removed by the ME for possible autopsy. The point here is that any death is treated consistently. A procedure is followed to make sure nothing is missed. What strikes me about Lechmere is the lack of consistent police procedure, it seems as if it was made up as they went.
The central issue of FBI profiling of lust murderers, per John Douglas, is the classification of the subject as an organized killer or a disorganized killer. For the organized killer, careful planning and cleanup are involved, including the hiding of the victims' bodies. For the disorganized killer, a blitz attack and frenzied overkill on a public street, square or in an alley is expected, e.g. Jack the Ripper. The suspect in this Gilgo Beach case was a highly intelligent, successful architect, and the manner of the killings reflects that.
I'm pretty sure Lechmere murdered the first of the "canon 5" and I'm sure Barnett murdered Mary Jane Kelly. However, I am not sure who killed the other 3 and I wouldn't be surprised if Lechmere murdered others that aren't part of the "canon 5".
Circumstantial evidence is required in all cases to at least get a search warrant and possibly an arrest warrant. The key is how much of the evidence is consistent with the accused's habits, etc.
I'm totally convinced now Ed that lechmere was jack the ripper! The episode with all the red flags points only to him as the suspect! Well detected Mr Stow! 👏
I just read the book "Cutting Point" by Christer Holmgren. Fantastic book, couldn't put it down. I am now convinced Charles Lechmere was the ripper. Was also responsible for the "Torso" murders.
I watched the documentary on George chapman Ed, and it nearly swayed me away from lechmere, but long island part 2 made my mind up, it all made sense, lechmere took it to the grave!
Another well narrated and detailed video. I like how you acknowledge that at this point, Rex like Lechmere is a prime suspect at best with mainly circumstantial evidence even when you (and I) have strong opinions on both. Everyone’s seem to be jumping on the media bandwagon and going all trial by media on this man which isn’t objective at all so it was good of you to not break impartiality even when listing logical reasons. Having said that, there’s another killer i think who shares similarities with these two and that is the Times Square Torso Ripper. I recommend you have a look at him too if you haven’t. Isn’t known as much as others like Bundy or Gacy and I myself only learned of him a few yrs ago from the Netflix documentary.
Certainly not nonsense, Edward, I knew I'd be able to listen to the end - but I still disagree on a few fundamental points. Lines of enquiry don't necessarily have an accumulative value. I remember watching a video where you emphasised an accumulative value to a list of circumstantial factors against (as in condemning) Crossmere. I find this logically unsound. One has as much merit as ten. It's not the same as plotting coordinates on a map - where two points gives you the definitive answer and a third verifies your method. Transposing circumstantial factors to a map doesn't imbue those factors with map-like certainty. Of course it would be remiss to ignore those factors. Which begs the question: why did they (the police) ignore those factors? It's not as though Crossmere evaded their radar. He came forward, was interviewed and his testimony was cross-referenced with two or three police constables' testimonies. They knew enough about him to render the surname idiosyncrasy a red herring. Incompetent or corrupt: institutional corruption theories cannot be dismissed. Yes, I saw some rather jejune FBI profiling on that distasteful JTR centenary knees-up with ... Peter Ustinov, wasn't it? Talk about widdling in the wind with a straight face. The commenters lining up with their textbook murderer templates ... releasing Broadmoor inmates en masse as though they were undersized lobsters. One basic characteristic which all murderers share is that they - in some crucial way do not conform. Estuary of received opinion doth not a murderer catch. I eagerly await your series on other Whitechapel murder suspects.
It is, however, the accumulation of circumstantial evidence which led to the arrest of Heuermann. It isn't like coordinates - more like a Venn diagram where the point of overlap gets smaller and smaller until it reaches a subset of one. The culprit. Regarding the police - I believe I have listed reasons why I think Lechmere was missed - it isn't unusual in serial killer cases for the police to miss what is right in front of them. Think of Peter Sutcliffe. And I made the point that the evidence against Heuermann was there all along but until a fresh set of eyes looked at the case it was missed.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 - The 'Yorkshire Ripper' investigation was a litany of incompetence. They not only missed what was in front of them, they ignored victim testimony including an uncannily accurate photofit. Possibly their worst iniquity was prematurely concluding on the Wearside Jack tapes as a point of elimination, thereby dismissing other, crucial lines of enquiry. Possibly as iniquitous was basking in self approbation at the press conference the morning after Sutcliffe coughed up a confession - when they should have been investigating the alibi Sutcliffe's wife gave him for one of the murders. I think it was the '£5 note' one. Either she was lying or there was another Ripper on the loose. Yep, I caught the part about accumulative circumstantial evidence leading to the arrest of Heueurmann. I wasn't so concerned about that as it has led to an arrest and presumably a charge. It doesn't carry the same weight against Crossmere. I'd be grateful if you could paste a link to the video where you list reasons why you think Crossmere was missed but no worries if you can't think of it off-hand, I'll find it later.
There is zero evidence Lechmere was interviewed by the police. All we have is that he turned up at the inquest and that's it. Nothing else. Very much doubt his real name of Charles Lechmere would have been hidden for over a hundred years if the police investigated him. Even his family didn't know he 'found' the body of the first official JTR victim.
@@lyndoncmp5751 - No, we have testimony from Crossmere: patrol bobby's notebook / inquest observations / newspaper interview - you can probably recite them verbatim. Stretching to make a case fit doesn't consolidate the case, it potentially weakens it. Victorian police employed people to read the newspapers to them: Crossmere was known to the police. See my point about 'incompetent or corrupt.' Perhaps Uncle Charlie had funnier anecdotes with which to regale his family.
What did Letchmere do with the knife after the Polly Nichols murder? It was supposedly a long bladed knife, you can't just shove it down your trousers and then walk about trying to find a policeman?
It strikes me that JTR was an opportunity killer the whole "event" and I mean no disrespect with that was relatively quick and as you reasonably speculate likely using local area knowledge. With the Long Island Killer there seems like there is more very specific planning setup and very likely a transfer of control going on... Taking the victim out of their area of comfort and into his. Ironically I'm sure an architect would be predisposed to being a planner!
I'm still not completely sold. Tend to be want cling to my agnosticism when it comes to suspects. But you make a compelling argument, and, although I may not agree, I can't come up with a good or true argument against most of your points. The most compelling one for me is that the serial killers who stopped came close to being caught, either by authorities or by someone close to them. I don't see any evidence of the former except on the night of the double murders. But he still went on to kill Kelly. I have no evidence of course that the latter could not be true or that he could have come close in later attempts. I am not dismissing your claims. As I said, you make a compelling argument, and it deserves full respect and it deserves to be heard. Which is why I've reposted your vids in my own groups. I'm just choosing to remain on the outside as far as choosing a suspect.
I think the reason Heuermann stopped (presuming of course he is guilty) was because he made a mistake in the Costello case. I don't see the Golden State Killer or BTK stopping for any specific or known reason.
This is not directly connected the content of the video, but I don't understand how Polly Nichols could be strangled beforehand when she was found with her eyes open. If you lose consciousness, I assume you cannot keep your eyes open.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 You may be right. The newspaper illustration of Polly Nichols shows bruise-like dark spots on her chin, indicating pressure had been applied.
ladies of the night are low hanging fruit to any serial killer especially those that hate women either over a slight done to him or as i believe a hatred for his mother for whatever reason
As a lechmereite I always find your videos fascinating Ed. Thanks for all your efforts you have and still put in.
What I love the most about your presentations is that you come at the case in a completely different way than me -- you're very investigative, while I am immersed in the psychological aspect. Which means I can come to your channel for a completely different but harmonious perspective. Yet at the same time, you seem to have a very good grasp on the psychology as well. Thanks for such an in-depth comparison!
Damn, that's a good video! Good work, Edward..
Very powerful analysis of some chilling parallels, Edward. Thank you again!
My pleasure!
Looking forward to this one. As I commented in Part 1, I am from L.I. Long Island and I appreciated your effort in Part 1, Edward. EDIT: I also appreciate the fact that you properly pronounced Massapequa (kwa) instead of Massapequa ( pika) . A lot of people, those not from the area, pronounce the name incorrectly.
I hope you enjoy it!
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 yes, mate. Very much enjoyed it.
thankyou for telling him
I came to the comments to say the same thing. It's not totally surprising since a portion of our hamlets are English towns. We also have Dutch and Native American. Massapequa is, of course, anglicized of a Native American term. The only name he got wrong is Moriches, but he was so close that it's totally fine. The hamlet is pronounced as "more-itches".
Since you always investigate those closest to the victim first in order to eliminate...it is odd that no investigation of Lechmere occurred at all. You don't get much closer to a victim than being the one seen standing over her.
It is only odd until you realise that the police started their investigation into the murders on the (probably mistaken) belief that no Englishman could have committed them. Their cognitive blindspot most likely prejudiced the entire investigation.
Also as he came forward late, the police investigation had already set off down the wrong track
6:00 Search dogs, and human search and rescue personell for that matter, often conduct exercises in and around locations where people have gone missing, difficult to get more realistic terrain, and there is always the hope that one day someone might stumble into a find, much like appears to have happened here.
I’m really enjoying this compelling and fascinating comparison Edward. And the quality and sound of these new videos is superb.
Thank you for sharing all your hard work.
Thanks!
22:10-25:52 Another excellent episode, Edward. What I think you get spot on here with regard to the geography / non-geographic profile argument with regard to CAL is that there is something compelling about all the little coincidences. My understanding of how geographic profiling works is that it is a fallible tool that, used correctly, can help to identify a likely culprit. However, the geographic and the psychological profiles do tend to be used in conjunction with one another, and it is the latter which is used to exclude someone from the investigation. I think this is the essential point here because the common criticism (which I once shared) is that the geographic profile could fit literally thousands of men living and/or working in the Whitechapel area.
This is true, but the key difference is that the vast majority of them can be excluded from the streets, or the scene(s) of the crime, at the precise hour of the morning in which they took place. Hence, the search pool is already reduced to the handful of men (there's a greater than 90 per cent chance it's a man) known to be out and about at that time, only one of whom can be directly placed at the scene of a recently committed murder. With these exclusions, the psychological profile is only likely to be a match for one possible from the list of likely suspects who remain. In this sense, the circumstantial evidence builds a similar picture, all pointing in a certain direction and away from others.
Whilst there is the rebuttal this does not axiomatically mean CAL was Jack the Ripper -- there is a possibility, however remote, that he was simply (and wholly innocently) in the wrong place at the wrong time -- what it does do is raise the possibility that it might have been. Working according to today's police investigative procedures necessarily means he has to first be excluded as a suspect from the investigation, which is where following up on his bona fides, his alibi, routines, etc., comes into question. He is probably the only suspect who cannot be entirely removed from the shadow of doubt. What is nevertheless fascinating is that Laura Richards' profile ( see: ruclips.net/video/8iAGyHU9800/видео.htmlsi=VwMqobV2GqN7AaX- ) does not appear to be a particularly good match for the geographic profile compiled in the same documentary by Prof. Rossmo**: the latter's model points towards someone living within the killing zone, which is what we see in the Rex Heuermann case, but Richards' psychological profile is instead suggestive of an opportunist who may or may not have lived in the area by necessity. As she said herself, however, the killer absolutely must have been familiar and comfortable enough with the locales to feel safe enough to commit his crimes. Moreover, there are too many indications that these crimes were not the work of a compulsive schizophrenic or someone with social incompetence, opportunistic or not, because Richards herself says there is a level of tactical planning involved and that the killer is likely to have seemed relatively innocuous, thereby potentially ruling out some other possible suspects. If the main objection to Lechmere is that he would not have killed on his way to or from work, I think her profile suggests precisely that an opportunistic killer might very well have done so.
I think the biggest unknown quantity here is whether or not there really is a connexion between the Jack the Ripper sequence and the Thames torso murders. Granted, it is not as unusual as some might suppose for a serial killer to change their MO, which is a reasonable proposition here, yet the objection is raised often enough: it is all supposition. This is perhaps true, but once again, I think it is the particular combination of geography and biography which helps to whittle away those doubts. One coincidence, fine. Two, maybe. But three or more (and there is much, much more in CAL's case that just the three assuming you are correct) is simply far too uncanny and much too fantastic to ascribe it to mere chance. As per my comments on your other videos, the supposition and eerie coincidences might not suffice as proof of guilt, but they do provide enough evidence for the police nowadays to consider CAL as their prime suspect. He most certainly would be investigated, that's for sure. And, since the police do work backwards, if they cannot exclude the possibility that the last person known to have discovered the body is absolutely innocent, then they are likely to move the investigation forward on the basic assumption of his probable guilt until such time as evidence becomes available to absolve him of suspicion.
(As for the allegations against Rex Heuermann, the evidence stacks up strongly against him. Like CAL, if he really is innocent, then he's the unluckiest man alive.)
** I also wonder how Prof. Rossmo's model might change if the Thames torso sequence, plus Martha Tabram and perhaps some of the other "possibles" were included, i.e., whether or not the model would indicate Doveton Street as a potential residential location with any great statistical strength or if the geographical spread of these other murders simply throws the model off by way of stochastic unpredictability (that is, "chance")?
Sone interesting points
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I get the sense you’re sceptical, Edward. Still, I think your point that “geographics” does not equal “geographic profiling” is the correct inference, just that I think what’s missing is some linking up to Laura Richards’ psychological profiling that she has compiled with regard to who may or may not have been Jack the Ripper. In the case of the Gilgo Beach murders, the Rossmo model seems on the money, but if Lechmere really is the prime suspect, then Prof. Rossmo’s model is waayyyy off. Anyway, it would be very interesting to see a video from you that delves into each of these aspects in order to see how much of it aligns with CAL and to what extent there might still be room for doubt about his involvement.
Another excellent episode, Edward. I didn't even think about the similar connections between earlier famous local murders (Ratcliff Highway and Amityville murders). That totally passed me by. Very good catch. Nice one 👍
Hello! I'm late to the show.
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Better late than never. 😁
In your video about the torso murders I find it beyond a coincidence that a torso was found freshly wrapped and dumped in the footprint of Lechmere's mother's demolished home. 🤔 😯
Yes! Well 20 feet from the footprint.
Close enough for discomfort.
Ed's forensic analysis is always a pleasure to listen to.
Thank you
Thank you, Ed. I’m happy to contribute to your brilliant channel! This is been an interesting series. I look forward to your analysis of the other Whitechapel murder suspects.
thank you for pronouncing my hometown correctly, we notice and appreciate it.
I live 2 milles from these burials.
I think many killers over the last 80 years at least dropped bodies there
Another excellent couple of videos by Ed Stow. It always strikes me that with these series of multiple murders by these types of serial killers how easily the Police get overwhelmed; possibly the worst example being that of Peter Sutcliffe. Why do they get so obsessed with one line of enquiry like Leather Apron & The Wearside Voice tape?
The police are no better at understanding serial murders now than in 1888.
Very plausible and persuasive points, Ed. Now we just need to find out that a Heuermann relative once owned a cat meat business... 😉 But seriously - a very thoughtful and well-argued video. And kudos to you for crediting all the people who left comments. 👏👏👏
Ps appreciate both of these videos, exceptional job and it was very well done.
Much appreciated!
Your insight into Jack the Ripper has been very interesting to watch, the comparisons now between the LISK .. or a Long Island Iced T, truly fascinating. The sensitivity which you show regards some rather repugnant true crime facts is gonna make me smash the like button and subscribe 👍
Thank you very much
I should follow this up by saying this: I have been studying this case for close to 50 years. And before your videos I would have placed Lechmere very low on my list of likely suspects - Those that I don't consider completely absurd. After watching your videos I would place him as, if not number 1, then among the top 2 or 3 likely known suspects. (Still think it's a good chance that it's someone we've never even heard of...). But this speaks to well you've researched, and thought out, and deliver your argument. So, believe it or not, I am a fan.
Thank you!
The theory that JTR is some unknown white chapel local who evaded scrutiny and suspicion fits llechmere/cross perfectly, he WAS an unknown suspect for a century.
Your pronunciation was perfect! I am from NY, although I no longer live there, but you did well. I enjoy your videos. The deaths themselves aren't as interesting as the pursuit of the truth. Also the social conditions in Londen in 1888 as well as the social conditions in the USA. Nothing on earth is more interesting than trying to figure out why some people do what they do, and why people who grew up in the same area under the same conditions NEVER abuse the ones they "love" and NEVER commit crimes. People sure are complicated. I think most killers and Physico's just become politicians! Thank you again for all your hard work and great videos.
Thank you
I love how you have shown the two comparisons, thank you.
Thanks
Most Excellent Detective Work ✅🙏🇬🇧🇺🇸. Very Scary. & Real Thank You Do Much Sir
You are very welcome
Excellent Edward 👍
Thank you very much for your expert analysis and overview. Excellent work and deductions!
Much appreciated!
I remember how in previous videos you spoke about how Lechmere went into business. Yes, this could be one of the reasons why he stopped. He no longer had time to indulge his vicious fantasies. And as you pointed out, he was getting older.
And people in business often get their kicks out of cheating people
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Good point. As you and others have pointed out, psychopaths don't always satisfy their immoral urges by killing people.
I am subscribed to no other Ripper channel but this one. Your content is excellent, Ed.
Thank you!
I’d just like to add a couple of more reason why some serial killers stop.
The initial thrill, the kick if you will, that serial killers experience during their first murder, which also is the reason why they became serial killers in the first place, diminishes drastically for every new murder they commit, up to the point when the act of killing become almost mundane, routine, dull. They often try to recreate the initial ecstasy by changing the ritual and increasing violence, psychological and physical both. But they can’t get the fix anymore.
A fairly intelligent serial killer would eventually weigh that loss of excitement to the risk of getting caught (which of course increases for every new murder), and may conclude it’s not worth the risk anymore.
Yet another reason for pausing, or quitting altogether, may be very personal and life changing events , such as falling madly in love or becoming a father for instance.
That was very well argued. The pattern you describe of that initial excitement / rush / fix is akin to drug / substance abuse for which there is never enough to recreate those feelings that one initially gets. Similarly, many who have been heavy use addicts and whom haven't managed to kill themselves in the process of regularly using, often come to realise that the good times have gone and they do, indeed, stop, clean themselves up and become healthy and functioning individuals.
The similarity just struck me after your description.
Perhaps the likes of BTK and others who were caught many many years later after they had committed their heinous crimes and finally 'downed tools' as it were, including Lechmere if he was in fact JTR, held mementoes / trophies from their acts and reminisced with fondness over their evil deeds as well as basking in some kind of private glory over their secret knowledge of getting away with the crimes they had committed.
It has always seemed, to me at least, that serial killing is a 'young man's game' if you get what I mean and that fits in with what you were saying.
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I listened to the Shannon Gilbert 911 calls and i concur with your conclusion that this woman was most likely not murdered. Everyone else in the phone calls at her location was either trying to get away from her or trying to get her away from them with the exception of the driver who appeared to be trying to help her. Why he gave up on her/lost her in the darkness is the only part that seems unclear. The idea that serial killers sometimes stop killing for reasons other than their death or incarceration has to be true due to the number of unsolved murders out there. I look forward to your video on theories as to why Lechmere would have stopped, and whether it was sudden or whether his behaviour dwindled out over time as his lifestyle and other circumstances changed. He seemed to be becoming increasingly comfortable with killing and with mutilation so i doubt very much he would have been capable of coming to a sudden stop. If he dwindled out over time then there are more murders to be linked to him, along with possible changes in M.O. I get the feeling that you know some of the answers to these questions already. Best wishes to you
I would like to add that mental illness ran rampant in Gilbert's family. Shannon's sister murdered their mother, which is stunning to hear because Shannon's mother was very vocal and public about catching the killer. She is in all the documentaries and movies about LISK and was killed after the furver died down.
30:14-31:20 Your comments explaining the different behaviours of psychopaths are very accurate.
Thank you
As far as I can understand there were two witnesses who saw the car, one witness who saw “a dark-colored truck”, and Amber Costello’s pimp who identified the car as “ a first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche”.
But what is more interesting is that the police managed to link the burner phone used to lure Costello to her death to Heuermann’s hometown of Massapequa Park. So it’s not just the taunting phone calls that links to Heuermann but this one too.
I read over the actual witness statement somewhere and I'm pretty sure there was only one witness - Amber Costello's roommate with whom she concocted the boyfriend scam.
"During one of their final meetings, roughly two years after the women went missing, he said he picked the truck's model out of a line-up of photographs provided by the detectives."
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I see. There are however quite a few reasonably trustworthy newspapers that refer to a testimony by her pimp, who also provided the description of Heuermann as Ogre-like. He picked out the model, color and year of the car. The pimp was interviewed by the police soon after Costello’s disappearance but it was overlooked until the new task force reviewed the case.
@@Legionmint7091 Yes, but it's possible the police discounted the word of a pimp as unreliable. If the police have a more reliable witness whose testimony they can use to narrow down the search, that's likely what they went with, thereby treating the pimp's testimony as corroborative of the other evidence (i.e., as being indicative that the police investigation is heading in the right direction). Perhaps it went overlooked for that reason?
@@feliscorax I wouldn’t be surprised at all if your right. But when you get such a specific description of the make and model, in a case that have had very little evidence to go on, I’m a bit surprised the police didn’t follow it up. Then again, it could have been the human factor and the testimony simply got misplaced or fell between two stools.
Great info!!!!
An excellent analysis I thought you did in comparison between the murders of Gilgo murders and Jack the Ripper was very interesting.
Thanks
Great video Edward, and thank you for a mention in the credits. I'm very much looking forward to your next videos about the other Whitechapel suspects. Especially George Chapman, as I think he's somebody who has to be under serious consideration too. So if you are going to do a video on him, it'll be interesting to hear your views.
My next is actually on a different topic all together!
I don't agree that George Chapman is a serious suspect in the Whitechapel murders. He poisoned women, and I don't think most people change their MO that drastically. Didn't he intimately know all his victims? The investigators back then didn't know as much about serial murders as they do now. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong. There is doubt that Chapman could even speak English, just like Aaron Kosminski couldn't speak English either. The police were convinced it was a polish jew, or so they kept saying. Whether Kosminski or Chapman.
@thehouseoflechmere9407 If you're doing a suspect video, I can't wait. In my opinion, there is no other viable suspect than CAL.
@walkawaycat431 not my next video... but soon
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Awesome! Thanks.
spot on Ed. So many similarities with Long Island and also Peter Sutcliffe.
Yes the Peter Sutcliffe similarities have always intrigued me. Both 'truck' drivers and both cases had incompetent policing.
Sutcliffe is a close parallel
Although I believe Lechmere was also a Thames Thorso Killer, it's not that difficult to see why Lechmere might stop killing after Mary Jane Kelly murder. As there was a heavier police presence in Whitechapel after MJK murder, it's not that difficult to imagine Lechmere was stopped and interrogated by a PC who saw him while he was walking to Pickfords and this happened near one JTR's crime scene at roughly the time of the murder (which is true by default). It's possible this interrogation scared Lechmere as he realised that what was an asset in case of Polly Nichols murder, can be a liability if the murders continue (and who knows how intensive this hypothethical interview might have been). Serial killers can stop if nearly caught and Lechmere might have realised that carrying JTR's style of murders has become simply too risky.
i agree. plus the change in the weather.he had also ticked the boxes on his bucket list. he was a clever man. he was calculating. he had control of his "hobby"
Yes. It is a valid reason to “go dark”. It is also a valid reason to change MO. It is also valid in the event he’s innocent. Anything is possible once we start with the suppositions; what is concrete in the case against Lechmere are the geographical and biographical details plus the fact he was the “discoverer” of a recently murdered victim within the killer’s window of opportunity. These facts alone are already sufficient to build a case just not necessarily to convict.
@@feliscorax "what is concrete in the case against Lechmere ...within the killer’s window of opportunity" You missed quite a few, as QC James Scobie would say, "data points". If one assume murderer of Polly Nichols was disturbed in the act (extent of her injuries +covering her abdominal wounds instead of posing victim in provocative position), then one very quickly identifies Lechmere as the culprit. If one assumes the killer was "learning" (and cover her abdominal wounds because he was apparently ashamed how much he still has to learn though, to his credit, with the murder of Annie Chapman only 8 days later he already got his "house in order" ), then one needs to add more data points (the fact that Lechmere and Paul shared, partly litted, path to Buck's Rows and Lechmere saying at the testimony he saw or heard nothing suspicious at Buck's Row is no longer enough, for example). But you still get, as QC James Scobie would say, "the most probative case courts use against individual suspects".
@@blazbratovic2724Yes, yes, I know all that. I was simplifying to the most essential point.
Good analysis, all perfectly stated, all the objections you clarify have never been mine of course, serial Killers do stop etc, my hesitancy regarding Lechmere is just that I need more evidence to be sure but all your arguments are clear and concise and accurate. If you do look at other suspects, it would be good to look at the more relevant ones and not the fanciful (Lewis Carroll etc). Suspects such as Jacob Levy, Hyam Hyam, James Hardiman or known killers like William Bury all I agree have little evidence but represent the type of suspects along with someone such as Lechmere or someone like him. I do beleive he was a local unassuming man.
Very interesting!
When I saw the title of this I thought what! But you did a great comparison and fits better than the BLT who loves the limelight! Great logical creator who knows what he’s talking about! Thx!
Thanks
Who is BLT?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 BTK just a joke on initials. They’ve been comparing him to the Long Island Serial Killer !
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Was that the bacon lettuce tomato killer or creator?
as a very long surporter of cross being jack i love your house of letchmere i just dont understand anyone who cant see it was cross all along any way thanks edward
It seems the theory of Letchmere goes like this.
When he was indoors and could use a saw to dismember then dismember is what he did. But you can't carry a saw in the street. When he murdered in the street he tried to use a knife to dismember. Didn't have the skill to do so though - at least not until 1889.
P.S. I do believe he is the only suspect at all, never mind the most viable.
Totally agree with you on everything 😊
Unlike any other Ripper theorists Mr Stowe puts forward new and very logical conclusions...eg reasons for ending a serial killers spree etc...bravo.
Thank you
All these poor women, then and now, not to forget the two male and one infant victim also. Terrible. I'm glad forensic science has marched on since JTR's time and continues to do so. The estimates on active/inactive serial killers in the US are horrifying, 150/300 from memory.
I think people don't connect the JtR murders with the other murders in the area because we think killing five (or six, including Martha Tabram) women should be enough to satisfy any psychopath (especially after the butchering of Mary Kelly) although Gilgo Beach seems to be more like a cemetery than a beach.
Are psychopathic serial killers ever satisfied... until their urges dissipate with age?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I think the difference between JtR and the Gilgo killer is that the latter seems to be a typical sadistic serial killer who was motivated by abnormal sexual urges (he actually had a sexual relationship with his victims), whereas the former seems to have been more interested in shocking the public, i.e., displaying the victims' mutilated bodies to be seen. This characteristic supports the Lechmere theory since the mutilation of Nichols's body was not exposed, and you can ask why not? That is why JtR is a distinct case - a uniquely sinister one.
I’m surprised the “triangle shape” on the back of the truck was interpreted as being the “v” in Chevrolet and not the triangle-shaped trusses on either side of the the back of the truck connected to the window
Solving a serial killer case is always difficult because the killer has to somehow be identified and often the initial evidence is scant enough and vague enough for a competent investigator to draw the wrong conclusions. With Lechmere, he was never investigated even though he was at the scene of a murder.
In the US, when someone dies not under direct medical care, the scene is classified as a crime scene until the medical examiner says otherwise. Also, the police and ME will conduct a preliminary investigation to see if the death is consistent with natural causes or is a murder. This even true when it's obvious to all but the dimmest the death is natural causes. Also, the body will be removed by the ME for possible autopsy. The point here is that any death is treated consistently. A procedure is followed to make sure nothing is missed. What strikes me about Lechmere is the lack of consistent police procedure, it seems as if it was made up as they went.
Yes but to be fair, modern procedures are based on learned errors in the past. And mistakes are still made now
Definitely agree, too much circ evidence. Thx ed
You cant help but 'ponder' ...Architect/Carpentry...'dismemberment '
Yes
The central issue of FBI profiling of lust murderers, per John Douglas, is the classification of the subject as an organized killer or a disorganized killer. For the organized killer, careful planning and cleanup are involved, including the hiding of the victims' bodies. For the disorganized killer, a blitz attack and frenzied overkill on a public street, square or in an alley is expected, e.g. Jack the Ripper. The suspect in this Gilgo Beach case was a highly intelligent, successful architect, and the manner of the killings reflects that.
top drawer as usual.
Thank you so much 😀
I'm pretty sure Lechmere murdered the first of the "canon 5" and I'm sure Barnett murdered Mary Jane Kelly. However, I am not sure who killed the other 3 and I wouldn't be surprised if Lechmere murdered others that aren't part of the "canon 5".
Circumstantial evidence is required in all cases to at least get a search warrant and possibly an arrest warrant. The key is how much of the evidence is consistent with the accused's habits, etc.
Yes
Lechmere looks like a Victorian version of Harry kane the footballer
Super into the non cannonical victims of the “ripper” - some of the more gruesome ones like Mackenzie line up with Kelly style brutalization.
Hopefully having 'stopped' or been stopped Heuerman (if guilty), can live (or not)...behind 'bars'.
Perfect pronunciation
Haley has a brilliant take on the victims… and it doesn’t take away from other positions.
I'm totally convinced now Ed that lechmere was jack the ripper! The episode with all the red flags points only to him as the suspect! Well detected Mr Stow! 👏
Thank you!
I just read the book "Cutting Point" by Christer Holmgren. Fantastic book, couldn't put it down. I am now convinced Charles Lechmere was the ripper. Was also responsible for the "Torso" murders.
I watched the documentary on George chapman Ed, and it nearly swayed me away from lechmere, but long island part 2 made my mind up, it all made sense, lechmere took it to the grave!
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George Chapman is a poor suspect in my opinion
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Robert Paul disturbed lechmere after the murder he committed, it's so basic it has to be a true definition Ed!
Also have to admit that I knew absolutely nothing about Lechmere's background.
Any info on Jacob levy
There is not much
How would Lechmere transport the body parts found in Thames if he killed them and chopped them up?
Another well narrated and detailed video. I like how you acknowledge that at this point, Rex like Lechmere is a prime suspect at best with mainly circumstantial evidence even when you (and I) have strong opinions on both. Everyone’s seem to be jumping on the media bandwagon and going all trial by media on this man which isn’t objective at all so it was good of you to not break impartiality even when listing logical reasons.
Having said that, there’s another killer i think who shares similarities with these two and that is the Times Square Torso Ripper. I recommend you have a look at him too if you haven’t. Isn’t known as much as others like Bundy or Gacy and I myself only learned of him a few yrs ago from the Netflix documentary.
Certainly not nonsense, Edward, I knew I'd be able to listen to the end - but I still disagree on a few fundamental points.
Lines of enquiry don't necessarily have an accumulative value. I remember watching a video where you emphasised an accumulative value to a list of circumstantial factors against (as in condemning) Crossmere. I find this logically unsound. One has as much merit as ten. It's not the same as plotting coordinates on a map - where two points gives you the definitive answer and a third verifies your method. Transposing circumstantial factors to a map doesn't imbue those factors with map-like certainty.
Of course it would be remiss to ignore those factors. Which begs the question: why did they (the police) ignore those factors? It's not as though Crossmere evaded their radar. He came forward, was interviewed and his testimony was cross-referenced with two or three police constables' testimonies. They knew enough about him to render the surname idiosyncrasy a red herring. Incompetent or corrupt: institutional corruption theories cannot be dismissed.
Yes, I saw some rather jejune FBI profiling on that distasteful JTR centenary knees-up with ... Peter Ustinov, wasn't it? Talk about widdling in the wind with a straight face. The commenters lining up with their textbook murderer templates ... releasing Broadmoor inmates en masse as though they were undersized lobsters. One basic characteristic which all murderers share is that they - in some crucial way do not conform. Estuary of received opinion doth not a murderer catch.
I eagerly await your series on other Whitechapel murder suspects.
It is, however, the accumulation of circumstantial evidence which led to the arrest of Heuermann. It isn't like coordinates - more like a Venn diagram where the point of overlap gets smaller and smaller until it reaches a subset of one. The culprit.
Regarding the police - I believe I have listed reasons why I think Lechmere was missed - it isn't unusual in serial killer cases for the police to miss what is right in front of them. Think of Peter Sutcliffe. And I made the point that the evidence against Heuermann was there all along but until a fresh set of eyes looked at the case it was missed.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 - The 'Yorkshire Ripper' investigation was a litany of incompetence. They not only missed what was in front of them, they ignored victim testimony including an uncannily accurate photofit. Possibly their worst iniquity was prematurely concluding on the Wearside Jack tapes as a point of elimination, thereby dismissing other, crucial lines of enquiry.
Possibly as iniquitous was basking in self approbation at the press conference the morning after Sutcliffe coughed up a confession - when they should have been investigating the alibi Sutcliffe's wife gave him for one of the murders. I think it was the '£5 note' one. Either she was lying or there was another Ripper on the loose.
Yep, I caught the part about accumulative circumstantial evidence leading to the arrest of Heueurmann. I wasn't so concerned about that as it has led to an arrest and presumably a charge. It doesn't carry the same weight against Crossmere. I'd be grateful if you could paste a link to the video where you list reasons why you think Crossmere was missed but no worries if you can't think of it off-hand, I'll find it later.
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It was within a video... I forget which!
There is zero evidence Lechmere was interviewed by the police. All we have is that he turned up at the inquest and that's it. Nothing else. Very much doubt his real name of Charles Lechmere would have been hidden for over a hundred years if the police investigated him. Even his family didn't know he 'found' the body of the first official JTR victim.
@@lyndoncmp5751 - No, we have testimony from Crossmere: patrol bobby's notebook / inquest observations / newspaper interview - you can probably recite them verbatim. Stretching to make a case fit doesn't consolidate the case, it potentially weakens it. Victorian police employed people to read the newspapers to them: Crossmere was known to the police. See my point about 'incompetent or corrupt.'
Perhaps Uncle Charlie had funnier anecdotes with which to regale his family.
What did Letchmere do with the knife after the Polly Nichols murder? It was supposedly a long bladed knife, you can't just shove it down your trousers and then walk about trying to find a policeman?
He would have had his apron with him
Not getting any or can't perform creates intense frustration anger an sadness an creates more lust in the brain, imagination, no relief
It strikes me that JTR was an opportunity killer the whole "event" and I mean no disrespect with that was relatively quick and as you reasonably speculate likely using local area knowledge.
With the Long Island Killer there seems like there is more very specific planning setup and very likely a transfer of control going on... Taking the victim out of their area of comfort and into his. Ironically I'm sure an architect would be predisposed to being a planner!
yeah I guess BTK was Lechmere too..
I'm still not completely sold. Tend to be want cling to my agnosticism when it comes to suspects. But you make a compelling argument, and, although I may not agree, I can't come up with a good or true argument against most of your points. The most compelling one for me is that the serial killers who stopped came close to being caught, either by authorities or by someone close to them. I don't see any evidence of the former except on the night of the double murders. But he still went on to kill Kelly. I have no evidence of course that the latter could not be true or that he could have come close in later attempts. I am not dismissing your claims. As I said, you make a compelling argument, and it deserves full respect and it deserves to be heard. Which is why I've reposted your vids in my own groups. I'm just choosing to remain on the outside as far as choosing a suspect.
I think the reason Heuermann stopped (presuming of course he is guilty) was because he made a mistake in the Costello case. I don't see the Golden State Killer or BTK stopping for any specific or known reason.
'Taunts' are not 'new'....'Black panther 'post office killer?..Collins Samms 'abductor' of Steffany Slater ,estate angent ,Newark ,Nottinghamshire.
I want to make a ripper movie 😊
I dint agree she was quite rational in the calls
This is not directly connected the content of the video, but I don't understand how Polly Nichols could be strangled beforehand when she was found with her eyes open. If you lose consciousness, I assume you cannot keep your eyes open.
Eyes can open involuntarily
And I've seen people lose consciousness with their eyes wide open.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 You may be right. The newspaper illustration of Polly Nichols shows bruise-like dark spots on her chin, indicating pressure had been applied.
He looks very healthy an strong for mature man of that time, mite not if smoked or drank,
ladies of the night are low hanging fruit to any serial killer especially those that hate women either over a slight done to him or as i believe a hatred for his mother for whatever reason
Lechmere had a lot of women taking his attention up
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I can't wait for the How Lechmere influenced the Archduke Ferdinand assassin video 😂
No? But you are nevertheless going to have to.
@@christerholmgren335 I dunno. It would be a fascinating story
@@kevinfitz8516 The one Edward stow tells on this video is much more fascinating - and in all likelihood true. But each to his own!
I heard a rumour he went on holiday in 1914 to Sarajevo, so who knows.
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