This is becoming a big PROBLEM ! Breaking the law and we don't care ! diy narrowboat
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I don’t know if anyone else have told you this. Place conkers around your boat. For some reason spiders don’t like them. Works in my home. Just put them in little tubs. Love the channel.
I actually done that this weekend...seamed to work a treat....will see how it plays out , thanks so much for support 😀
I have done this for years. People have poo pooed this idea. But I actually found it worked. At least by cutting down on the amount of spiders. 👍🏼🐶🐾
That bush is ivy and at this time of the year it’s one of the few plants that provide nectar for insects. So you will get butterflies,wasps honey bees, solitary bees, hover flies and a host of other nectar seeking insects including moths. Happy cruising Phil.
thats so interesting, there are such a huge amount there, probably the last of there food for this year 😀
If it's fire rated board can be handibacker or aqua board both cement based boarding . You can tile directly onto them . I've always found natural stone and slate more resistant to heat .
Thanks so much for the tips very very handy, it looks like were going for slate...they look lovely
I installed mine with calcium silicate board, 25mm thick with a 10mm gap as per the HEATAS recommendation. The board needs coating on one side with PVA and the tiles were stuck on and grouted with high temperature silicone from Vitcas. The top of your flue where it passes through the ceiling needs the timber cutting back and covering with a thin steel plate. It's called a register plate and is available on flea bay for around a tenner.
thats interesting, thanks for the insight, the register plate sounds essential too, will defo need one of them , so lucky to have such knowledgeable comments like this cheers 😀
I have to agree with this method. As per my own comment, I am concerned that you have installed plaster board (fire resistant) but it is time rated, and likely for 30 to 60 mins only…
When i did my fire i used hardy board 6mm and another fire board vermiculite 20mm if i remember. So 26mm of heat sheild. Then i used porcelin floor tiles. It does get bloody behind my fire. When i stripped it had normal tiles on top of just ply board. Friggin death trap. All the board had gone black behind the tiles. Good luck rippers. 🫵👍👍
its amazing how hot they get, turns out we may have possibly used the wrong boards according to some comments... so we have in fact made the boat more illegal?? possibly...imagine that 😂😂
Life at its best. Problems and solutions. When done, will no doubt be awesome. Go forward Crobot warriors 👊❤
well said, we would we bored without all the problems ...thank you for joining us again 😀👍
I'm a beekeeper, that bush is Ivy and there are flowers on it which give a large amount of nectar and pollen, this is the last food the bees, honey or wild gather before the winter. They get very excited about it. No nest, just good food.
I've 2 stoves and a range, here in Ireland our rules are probably different to UK but, here we can't have wood in a "combustible" distance from the appliance-stove or flue. Have you looked at "The boat that James built" - installing his wood stove, its fully compliant and he does explain the UK rules and about those who already have stoves installed and those doing work on them. It would be sh*te to have to take the stove out again to pass the safety test. I think there wasn't any insulation between the lower board and the bow thruster, putting insulation there, any old bit to fill the gap would help stop condensation. Fitting the fire correctly is going to be one of the hardest things you do, and you are thinking safety so that a great start. Looking forwards to next video.
oh woaw how interesting, there are som many happily working away. Thank you I will head over there and take a look...it would be terrible to have to rip it all out again...what a nightmare that would be. Thanks so much for all your insight have a lovely week
Really disappointed that Becs said the word erecting and Chris totally failed to pick up on it and make a smutty comment.
We expect more from you guys 😥
WOW Chris, that was a pretty spot on Margaret Thatcher you did there buddy. Good Job 👍🏻
Well im glad there's something I'm good at 😂😂
I know you'll figure it out. Thanks for the smiles, a great way to start off the week. Best wishes, D
Thanks so much Debs ❤️
Well, the way i look at it, you will need a bend in the pipe/chimney and put the stove a little forward. Also you should inform the need of a valve in the pipe. It will give more economical burning and ingreace? the heat.
Just paint the fireboard after cementing the corners or use fireproof caulking. Saves a lot of time. You can always tile later, for insance, after you had a hot shower??
In the Netherlands we insulate behind the stove with stonewoll. ( no glasswoll ) Its very heat resistent and when youre not out bij 2000 degrees celsius, you won't make it anyway.
Loved the video again, good luck you two and all my blessings.
some great points, a valve ok...thats interesting. weve actually just found out we may have used the wrong sort of fire board....so back to the drawing board on that one, thanks for tuning in and hi from the uk 🇬🇧
OOOH ! A trip around another DIY Store . I do love seeing all those bits of Timber / Fixtures / Fittings / Tools etc . I don’t have a Car so can not get to these places . Can you do a special Video ‘Store Tour’ next time you go to one . Just a couple of hours will do . 😊 Hope you get your Stove in and working , before the Cold weather sets in .
oh woaw amazing, Bex always gets very excited running around all these stores...infact its hard to get her out. woaw a 2 hour special...could you imagine 😂😂 thanks so much yes its getting cold in the nights now...really need to sort this thing
" Huge Bloomin' Hiccup " would be a great narrowboat song. Or maybe " Yeah, but is it legal ? "
haha exactly love it ❤️❤️
Looks like there is going to be a couple of 45% fittings of stove pipe in your future. To move the stove away from the wall.
Maybe a new double wall chimney pipe.
all great tips...weve actually worked out a very very very simple way of correcting it....its going to be a huge anti climax 😂😂
That vlog deserves a cuppa ……cheers
thanks so much 😀👍
Awww you did well sorting the stove has with everything you get there both tc the oldies
Thank you guys, were getting there slowly , have a lovely week
I really enjoyed seeing the Crobot cogs turning right at the end! You’ll overcome the heater issue like you normally do, Crobots rule, “never doubt, when the Crobots are about”. 17:01 😊
I love that...lets get some t-shirts made 😂😂
Hi Becca, Chris, loving this week's Vlog. I have learnt a lot this week about a stove and the the said installation on a narrow-boat. You both could make excellent training videos as a side line?, As always Becca explains everything to us which is great. Spiders Yikes!!!! I try and keep away from Bees as well. I liked how you cut up the fire safety wood in the Wickes Car Park, without a care in the world that people were watching. I reckon they were thinking, "Wish we had the guts to do that". Loving the edit and the audio effects which are always so good, and with two helpings of the "Dramatic Music", I'm in heaven! Well done Becca, Chris for getting the stove back in place and then leaving us all on a knife's edge until next week!!!! Take Care. Thank you - Spoolbox
whats a sweet and lovely comment Spoolbox, Becca really does very well at explaining thing...im a bit useless than that...shes very handy and doesn't car what any onlookers think bless her. thanks for tuning in time and time again... ill try extra hard to add some dramatic music for you in the next episode , have a great week ❤️❤️
Oh of course it doesn’t fit now, just your luck so I wait to see what the solution is. Our problems continue too, this time it’s the loo in the van, how unlucky are we four, we’ve both brought lemons. I now wait for next week. Take care guys. 💕
haha of course it didnt ...its us 😂😂 oh no....what a disaster...why does it always have to be the Loo??? hope you have a lovely week, take care
Hi. You've bought fire line plasterboard (pink) I think you need firecase or Calcium silicate board.
That's interesting to know thank you John
Hi Guys, Your both making a great job of the fire protection boards.
Lets hope you both master the back board protection.
Adding quite a value to the narrowboat.
Good luck in finishing.
Cheers for the support John, safety is our main aim...and obviously passing the BSS is a big to have a lovely week 😀
I know you've heard it but there are multiple reasons for not using plasterboard for me the absorbing moisture out of the air causing the boards to swell and distort, breaking the tile adhesive which is rigid and eventually causing the wall to collapse. It's great in static homes it doesn't like vibration.
yes it seams we may have to reassess the boarding situation , thats interesting, thanks for you comment 😀👍
I used a 28 gauge sheet of tin on each side of the stove w/ 3 cm opening top & bottom for air flow - held in place by screws in 1/4 inch x 5 cm pipe - also consider installing a cool air vent so the stove will not be sucking heated air up the chimney - DIY is trial & error
Lots of things to take in here thank you so much for taking the time to comment 😀
Your doing a fine job i refitted my boat and know what your going through. It’s your boat but I think you may be using the wrong fire board please recheck 25mm thick calcium silicate board is recommended air gap behind this is 10 mm
yes quite a few others have pointed this out, we may have to do a tad more research if thats the case, safety is essential, Cheers for the insight 😀👍
Your battens are too thick as well 10mm are required plus the 25mm fire board will bring it out only 35 mm in total
Hi Crobot team. ❤ your vlogs. Looks like you will have to install a new shape flue with a bend in it to push away from the wall. 🐒🥰👋
we were actually thinking that though we have found a very very simple solution to this silly problem, thanks so much for following our journey ❤️
You two make me laugh. Love Becca's can-do-but-will-do-it-in-a-thrifty-manner attitude. Chris is just a funny f**k, and very entertaining!
We've lived on a boat for 17 years, and I'll let you in on a secret: they always go wrong! Keep it up you two. Already subbed. Liz 😃
aww bless you guys thanks so much for the support and enjoying the channel , I have a feeling...this thing will keep going wrong...I can believe that Liz, take care
UH-OH!! .... Looks like a Dogs-Leg will be needed for Your stove Chimney then?? ...... To cut plasterboard you just 'crack' from the other side of the cut ... Makes life a lot easier ...... Good luck chaps - Coming on a treat!! 🤠
the old dog leg aye haha thats interesting...ill try that next time, thanks for the tips 😀
Hi Chris and Becks. Hope you get the stove sorted. Lots of suggestions in the comments . Take care. Nick
yes it looks like we have have gone wrong somewhere 😭
The board you have used is pink plasterboard which is a1 rated for 30 mins not to be used as a backing for a wood burner
That's interesting we contacted a boating hetas engineer that Confirmed these were fine to use?
Certainly for a domestic installation hardie board (cement board) is required, not pink board as it doesn't meet regs.
Also building reg consider all plasterboard as conbustable material as it deteriorates with heat over time
Don't use plasterboard. It's not safe enough . 😢 you need the proper 25mm cement Broad.
you are quite right ,if there was a fire you might get nothing ,as it does not up to present day requirements ,stove to be 2 inches from wall ,just wiggle it 2 inches from wall.
you may have just worked out how we got round it 😀
I want to employ Bec as a trades person on my boat.
She is a diamond Chris.
In all seriousness fire stoves on boats can prove fatal.
In winter you go to sleep with the fire left on.
You leave the boat during the day with the fire left on.
Safety safety always.
Hope you are both well.
One day in a galaxy far far away we will see Crobot on the cut.
NB: shock horror no fire protection above gun-whale and roof ?
Exactly, if this wooden vessel were to go up in the night you would be in serious trouble, I belive it's not actually guide lines to have to put the stove but there's so much burning to the walls there something needs to be done, have a lovely week
Love you two. Hope to meet you on the cut
Worried you have used plasterboard. It’s a fire board for between buildings. To help keep a fire with in an area for 30 mins (till fire brigade arrive).
Stoves need cement board. You used knauf board but the knauf aqua panel is cement board that you can tile on.
Be safe
yes we think there may have been a mistake our end, shouldn't be to tricky to sort out....typical 😂 thanks so much for your comment ❤️
Just don’t no why you guys only have 10k subscribers, it has to be the best narrow boat Chanel online, just love it and can’t wait until you get 100k because it’s defo happening 👍👍👍👍keep up the great work
what a lovely thing to say, our plan was always to get to 10,000....we were so chuffed with that, woaw 100k, could you imagine... thanks so much for believing in us ❤️❤️
I hope you two catch a break soon. Good work on the battens, hopefully the distance from the wall can be worked out. Chris your hair looked great, probably because there were fewer spiders 🕷️🤣😂😅
🤗😊 Kathy
well we have actually just stumbled apon a new problem...well were quite used to it by now, thank you so much Kathy such a sweet comment ❤️❤️
Hi Guys was it Chris singing or the DIY that scared the wide beam away at your moorings.😂😂 keep going you’ll get there. 😎👍🏼
haha...they just couldn't handle us anymore could they 😂😂
@@TheNomadicCrobot luve ittt 🤣😎👍🏼
The air gap behind your Fire Board is not a BSS check
The BSS checks relating to your solid fuel burner are:-
Is it secure and in good condition (not obviously cracked etc...)
Are the surrounding structures free of signs of heat damage
Is the flue in good condition
does the flue exit the boat directly to outside air
You will need a CO alarm in the same cabin that the stove resides in.
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We have just had our BSS and he did check we had put an air gap, Had used the right fire board and was secured down properly. Ours is a self new build so may be different, not sure.
thats interesting, I suppose it all depends on how strict your guy is. Thanks for the tips so useful, will be sure to use them, were already covering the wall as its been burnt, fingers crossed it passes
hmmm the flue isn't insulated....is this a problem?? as we have read it its the original is acceptable? though we did wan to upgrade it more for safety.
Thanks for this ❤️
The gap between stove and wall needs to be even bigger if you're going to put tiles or a copper plate on it. Copper won't be as thick as tiles ofc.
yes thats correct, it should be just right...there was plenty of room, saying that...we have stumbled upon a bigger problem
Right laugh, I had to do the same at Wickes in Staines. lol also had to buy the knife to do the car park chop chop 😂
you guys are outta control....there was no stopping her 😂
Hi ya Chris & becca just a suggestion we have a stove called a lilly king it has a back boiler and is double skinned so the outside doesn't get hot also when you come to tile around the stove i would use flexi adhesive because it'll allow for movement 😊xx
very interesting...thanks so much for your tips, were still working out if use cement or a special adhesive, have a lovely week xx
@@TheNomadicCrobot we tile for a living we tiled 9 Fireplaces in a old victorian house we used flexi adhesive on all of them. It's a powder you just mix it with water easiest way is to get a small paddle attach it to your drill and mix it in a bucket it goes off in about 3-4 hours xxx
Sorry to see you having to dismantle the boat again but at least you will know that it has been done correctly and is safe.
Exactly Gary....it's amazing how many boats don't follow the rules...or dont even know 😀
I guess it’s a case of either route the stove to gain clearance OR modify the flue to allow the stove to move further away from the wall ( see Narrowboat Will - cutting and welding the flue)
Thanks for the advice, yes I saw Will do his, great channel love him
you need a off set bend stove pipe...or dog leg as I call it ...Google dog leg stove pipe...good luck
its amazing how hot it gets behind there, and amazing how many boats have probably wangled a non safe solution....turns out we may actually be wrong with the plasterboard sheets by what a few have said on the comments so may have to reassess that....imagine that....weve actually made the boat even more illegal....😂😂😂
Oh no , you’ve left us hanging! I won’t settle now till next week! Lol
Sorry doug....love a cliffhanger ...were cruel
What about if you rotate the stove to align parallel with the sides?
Maybe that will give you the required clearance.
I know....exactly what I said to Becca
Can you get thinner fireboard or make the battens thinner? Good luck - I’m sure you’ll find a way to make it safe and look great.
Turns out the fireboard actually has to be thicker, the boat is legal as it is with its original stove set up but now we have started to change it we have to abide by all the guide lines, thanks for your comment 😀
Always better to be safe than sorry where fire safety and safety in general is concerned! 🤗
I absolutey love bees 🐝 🌺They’re fascinating little creatures! Without them humans would be a bit f*cked as they pollinate so many of our crops!
And…. Arrrrrgh 😱 The Wicker Man! I’m Scottish and that film used to scare the wits out of me when I was younger! Especially that ending! 🫣 I used to imagine it actually happening (which, tbf, it probably did or at least something similar many moons ago) somewhere up in the Highlands and Islands! 😂 I was terrified on the camping holidays I used to go on! 🤣
Take care lovely pair! 😘🌻❤️
Thanks for your lovely comment, the wicker man what a scary film, its lovely how the bees just take care of business...they could do with teaching us a thing or two thanks for your lovely comment 😀
If it’s not too late go get some cement board. Use that plasterboard some other place. It’s classed as a flammable product. The paper WILL burn and then plaster will sag. You really do need cement board
yeah we have muddled a few bits up here, thanks for the heads up 😂😂 typical crobot
Shock horror..... Wickes....?? 😲😲😲 I can see you deserting on Titan soon for Henry... 🤔😋😋
Don't tell the Titan 😂😂 he would be quite upset
Loving your channel, keep up the good work! Don't know if it's useful but just saw a pair of "vintage ship lights" on Marketplace in Wedmore, reduced to £100. Thought of you two for some unknown reason ;)
Thanks so much for doing us on our adventure, oh woaw...yes the metal ones do seam to be quite pricey unfortunately
hi guys ,guess your gonna have to put an elbow in your flue to bring your stove forward, your might have to make the base of your fire surround ; probs the 75mm you need around the stove sides, have fun Tinx :)
yes maybe we have thought about it, we have actually found a far easier fix. and yes we have just started the process of this comment, 2 gold starts 👌👌
It's a pain but at least it's not as bad as a car mot, well ventilated gas locker with bottom drainage, all the gas/fuel pipes had to be clipped every so many cm's..I think the worst part was the engine area having to be clean :D you're always doing a proper job wot with Bex attention to detail and determination. It's definitely a boat with history in the making and many years of life in the old girl yet..saved by your good selves. I think without your intervention she would have gone too far and been lost forever..Big-up's!
fingers cross its easier to pass, oh thats interesting, will have to get all the junk out of our engine bay, yes the plan was always to give her the life she deserves...will get there, thanks for the support ❤️
A little off this topic.
Have you look into house (boat) plants that repel insects and spiders?
owwww...love that idea...the problem is Becca loves the insects 😂😂
Nice video good luck with the installation 😊
Cheers Rick 🍻
I thought that when you were ripping it out it’s for the gap but am sure you will sort it when do we see what’s in the box am hanging out waiting lol have a Top week 🙂🔧🎸✌️
well actually we may have just stumbled apon a bigger problem...whats new hey? thanks Kathy thats so sweet of you 😀🥰
I am pretty sure that you guys bought fire resistant plaster board.
And I am also pretty sure that you should have bought fire board from vitcas. The plaster board is meant for a wall that needs a fire rating and the fire board is for around your fire or log burner. (This said, I wasn’t exactly sure what it was that you bought, but it did look like red fire rated plaster board) 🤔🤔🤔
yes....it does seam we may have gotten the wrong one, should be a quick fix, thank got for all the comments warning us 👍👍
@@TheNomadicCrobot I still can’t believe how much work you guys have had to do on that boat… could have built a house in that time 😉😂
Did I understand you correctly when you said that fire, not water, is a problem for a boater?
I hope to join you on your upcoming X-mas cruise!🥰🥰
Absolutely Rolf...Bex is already planning , cant wait for you to join us 😀😀
What about a bend in the chimney Great blog big thumbs up
We have been thinking about that,watch this space 😀
Lower walls, get rid of the wood, just have the calsium cilicate board (didn't know you could get it in wickes ) and air gap. Upper walls, leave wood as is, use a twin wall flu.
I really don't like the twin wall flue. It costs too much and the roof collars look terrible. It loses too much radiant heat up the chimney. When the internal flue rots through, which it will, the fumes leak into the outer skin which is not sealed and fumes get into the boat!😮
yes I feel we may have needed a calsium board, back to the drawing board...yes we also need an insulted flue too, the wood has started to burn so we a bit worried it will get picked up on the Bss, thanks for you comment dude 😀😀
Not sure if it's legal for your installation, but flexible stove pipe is a thing.
Now there cool 😎
I would come and help but on holiday with a nice cold bottle of cider.
haha so kind of you Simon.... while its starting to get a bit Chilly over here on the rivers....well at least that means less spiders
@@TheNomadicCrobot I am always here.but you have never called me for help 😪
Why do you need to remove the tongue-and-groove? The rules for fire board and air gap only apply up to 20cm above the top of the stove.
thats right, we have quite a lot of heat scaring (is that the right wording) to the walls...and know that this could be a problem for the BSS and better yet us, so we wanted to make it safer really and make it look cool too 😀
@@TheNomadicCrobot I think the word is charring or pyrolysis. If the chimney sections aren't adequately insulated, it might fail BSS anyway.
Aren't you glad that you removed the tongue and groove from the bulkhead? That must have been spider heaven back there. Now you can seal it ip, tile it over, light the stove, and bake the little buggers.
Except....hmmmm. Looks like you need to make a dog-leg in your stove flue. Where is the Maverick when you need him?
woaw....now there's a plan...a mass spider execution....I think Bex may kill me though😂😂 yes we may need the old dog leg ...bring back the Maverick
That didn’t look like 100mm gap to me Rebecca 😮
hmmm...I may have got the calculations a tad wrong
@@TheNomadicCrobot haha 😂
I hope the previous owners watch these videos
we saw him drive past on his new boat in ely and look the other way...sure hes proud
I think they were wasps because the like ivy flowers.
Lots of wasps too...you may need right🙁
good vid oncut thanks lee
Cheers Lee 🍻
Oh that spider nest 😱😱 aaargh!!! I can’t wait to see you both travelling guys. But bit by bit yr boat is looking brilliant so I’m sure it won’t be long now. Big hugs Chris & Becks, our fave RUclipsrs 🤗
These nests are everywhere Estelle 😂😂 we both can not wait to get going....it's been quite the adventure so far...such a sweet moment thank you so much ❤️
@@TheNomadicCrobot
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If you carve a pumpkin in September it’s called premature ejackolantern
now that I like 😂😂
It's not water.
It's not fire.
It's SPIDERS!! 🕸️🕷️😮
noooooooo......make it stop 😂
Love it! Nice!
cheers John
You Can Not use fire board / plaster board behind i fire,Cement board is ok Hueys Grey do a fiber Board this is very good for fire rating
Thanks for this, we will take another look into things
@@TheNomadicCrobot rule of thumb,cant use any plasterboard on a boat,for the fire use non conbustable boards, Aqua Board from tyling shop is good and the sizes you will need at a good price,fiber board is in 8ft x 4ft sheets at around £100 a shot,cut with OLD saw or grinder
Thanks
Thanks so much for your kindness, we really appreciate the support, so kind ❤️❤️
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Is this installation illegal now as legislation has changed since your boat was built and now you've discovered it you have to update it? Sounds a good safety modification to do, as I bet that whole corner gets hot when the fire is on!
correct, hopefully now that we have modified the area it will pass the BSS with flying colours ...I think im talking to soon...but hopefully
Chris is as useful as a chocolate teapot bless him 😂😂
yes im useless at DIY
@@TheNomadicCrobot u shud be watching n learning 😆😆
@@sueevans1152 I'm trying 😂
@@TheNomadicCrobot yup that u are 😆😆
The board...the tile...crap!
yup it sure is 😂
You say “black & white tiles”, I IMMEDIATELY think of The Specials
Great band you are absolutely right 💯 cheers Vik
Crobots breaking the law ❗
How cool are we 🤣
Oh my lovely botties ! It never rains but it pours ! Think that’s how it goes. ! You both never lose faith when you find more work to do! I’m gunna miss it when it’s all done. Keep your chins up my lovies. See you in the next one xx
botties...ya love that 😂😂no we fight another day...one problem after another...will get there...or die trying and having fun, take care Mandy have a lovely week xx
@@TheNomadicCrobot you too guys ! X
Might be a spider nest I share your fear of spiders I have been bitten 3 times in one night by an extra aggressive false widow on my boat ...😢
no way mark that sounds terrifying....he must have been very hungry
@@TheNomadicCrobot he was in my bed 😳😳😳
There is no gap where the fireboard meets the batton so mmmm just saying
I said this to Bex 😂
hehehehe
Hey you two intrepid warriors - grab yerselves a new new chimbley , double walled fer max safety with an adjustable elbow mid way soz you can nudge that iron heap the legal distance from the wall and voila! Bob will be your proverbial favourite uncle. Btw I’m fairly convinced by now that cruising is not your final intent - I reckon your aim all along was to fix that old scow up, make it famous, flog it and live in the sun in Mexico for rest of yer blooming’ lives on the proceeds 😂
Naaaah…. There’s not a duplicitous a bone in either of you is there?
yes were looking into a insulated flue as the old one isn't, now that sounds like a plan...only problem is we will be homeless scallywags with a few bob in our pockets on the beaches of Mexico 😂😂 have a lovely week
Couldn't you solve the stove problem by rotating it a few degrees?
you may have just worked out how we corrected it 😀👍
“FIRE, DISCO INFERNO, FIRE”
Let's hope that never happens...could you imagine with our luck 🤣
Dresses up in Googles and gloves to undertake such dangerous jobs as sanding and painting. Breaking ceramic tiles from a wall , not a dirty bird! Lol
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FFS
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Noone careshaha
Seams to be the way 🤣
@@TheNomadicCrobot to many of you narrowboat beggars on RUclips. . Spouting the same regurgitated BS.
Thanks
Thank you so much for this, so massively kind of you ❤️