In my opinion, the derma pen is moved all the time hence creating a tear too! I have been using the derma roller for years without ever seeing any infection or scruffs and had derma pen done last week with bruising all over my face and resulting in flaky skin.
Hey Saskia, I feel the same! My skin recovers so much better with a roller and I get great results but the pen is basically ripping and vibrating across the skin so the collagen production is limited!!
I first used the dermaroler but it left me with orange peel skin with micro tears in lines so never used again! About a year later got a dermapen and love this so much better with none of the previous issues from the roller
If the "professional's" didn't charge such an outrageous ridiculous unbelievable rate for this procedure then perhaps more people could afford to have it done rather than resorting to a $30 diy tool off amazon
I had PRP around the eyes. It's so expensive and results weren't dramatic. Home micro needling on a regular basis with EGF serums is the way to go imo. Obviously you need to educate yourself and take a lot of care re sterilising.
but yet your skin looks amazing huh? i will continue to use the roller and then the pen. the pen you can actually purchase online and use at home and save a lot more money.
This derma pen is considered second generation and dermatologists use fourth generation machines that are much more advanced with energy. This second generation microneedling device can be purchased for around $125 on Overstock and many other places. Silly to pay an esthetician or nurse to do this when you can buy your own or get an advanced procedure at a dermatologists office. Check out dermatologist Dr. Davin Lim's videos on microneedling and many other laser and skin care topics here on RUclips. He is extremely knowledgeable about up-to-date procedures.
That is true Re: the lack of PRP with DIY micro needling but there are a plethora of other efficacious topicals I have seen derm’s and estheticians report as helpful for use after microneedling. Just do your research with credible sources. If I were going to pay for micro needling, I’d at least get a treatment with a fourth generation machine rather than pay for a treatment with a device I can buy and operate myself, but that’s me and everyone needs to make safe, comfortable choices that suit them. RealSelf also has quite a bit of info from doctors Re: micro-needling also. Hope this helps someone.
tori2dles I misunderstood your question on the first read, I have seen some derm’s state on their websites that they offer PRP and I’m nearly certain I remember Dr. Davin Lim mentioning that he performs PRP in his office. Just want to state that I am not a medical professional and am only repeating info I’ve seen on the internet stated by derm’s and/or aestheticians. It is important that everyone do their own research with credible information to make safe and sound decisions that suit him/her. Dr. Dray is another dermatologist who has an informative RUclips channel BTW.
YOU CAN PLACE THE DERMAROLLER IN A STEAMER ON THE STOVE AND STERILIZE IT LIKE THAT. ALSO i HAVE SEEN SOME WORK WITH THE DERMAPENS WHERE THEY DRAG IT ACROSS THE FACE AND CAUSE SCRAPING INJURIES WITH IT- THERE ARE A COUPLE OF VIDEOS ON RUclips WHERE IT IS DONE BADLY.
cindy mananzala martinez They're robbing the hard working people, if it's under $100, and can be used for years, they'll be forced to drive prices down to stay in business
E rick the average person does not microneedle correctly and isn’t educated enough to do it at home. Saying her one anecdotal experience refutes the evidence isn’t reasonable. I see incorrect and unsafe microneedling on the internet all the time. Not sanitizing your skin with an alcohol swab before hand for example. Or not using single use sterile cartridges with a pen or at least correctly cleaning and frequently replacing a dermaroller or stamp, plus dermarollers create rolling tears and shouldn’t be used at longer needle lengths. Too many people microneedle more than once every 4-6 weeks so they’re actually increasing collagenase the enzyme that breaks down collagen which peaks at the 2 week mark, frequent microneedling should be kept to .30mm needles and below where you’re just increasing product penetration. Not to mention people using oils and occlusive ingredients after microneedling when you should only be using a water based hyaluronic acid serum for 24 hours while those microchannels are open because again, you have small open wounds all over your face and there’s a very real risk of infection. There have been several cases of foreign body granulomas from people using Vitamin C and other products not safe for transdermal injection - some of these cases were permanent. And dermatologists constantly get patients with scars from dermarolling incorrectly. So yeah, I stand by what I said for all those reasons and more.
@@skinsciencebymira You saying "yet" to an unexistence infection is annoying, you must say "i hope it doesn't happen". In other side, the people who does dermaroller (like me, and it helped a LOT with my discolouration and a few of identation), know that it should be desinfected with isopropyl alcohol, perform every 3-6 weeks and use vit c, niacinamide or retinol serums with a very good skin care routine. I congratulation for your knowledges, but this kind of negative energy is so gross.
@@skinsciencebymira And you should visit the DR David Lim explanation. He is a very well known dermatologys that instruct exactly what you need to do with a dermaroller, instead of throw shade and negative comments to the people, he wants to help. I saw more damage in the skin performed by "professionals" with lasers than dermaroller, at home. Go off
Derma Pen is also not going STRAIGHT in. Not unless you hold it in one area and then Iift it straight up, rather than dragging it along the skin as is done. The drag to vibrating rate, then, must be very carefully calibrated or you’re making minor scratches akin to a threaded stitch.
It's supposed to work some, and that's from a dermatologist video I watched in here. However, I'm not sure which size or the specifics, so do some research!
If you've used DermMatch, what are the pros and cons of it, not compared to Toppik, but "compared to itself"? What about comparing the cost of DermMatch to just using a fine-tipped magic marker on your scalp?
You can buy the pens...i love how they bring up sanitization. If you cant clean something well enough to not cause a infection come on..in the military as a medic and keeping wounds sanitized in non sanitized conditions out in the open so that it doesn't cause infection. If that can be done and you can't keep a fricken roller that barely penetrates...your ridiculous.
I don't mean to be mean by I notice her skin being dry and not ideal textured with deep lines. I wonder why and how it is not treated? sorry if this sounds mean, I am just wondering if these methods are effective?
I was thinking the same thing. Who knows? Maybe her skin was way worse before she got treatment. Also, perhaps her diet is bad and causes her ongoing skin problems. Most likely the case.
Only if the needles are long. The needles need to pierce your dermis to improve stretch marks so anything from 0.5mm to 1.5mm. Also be aware that the longer the needle, the more painful it is.
@@elizabethreece8003 She recommends products with phenoxyethanol! Even ranking it under the 'superstar' catt.! Phenoxyethanol is highly toxic and was even banned in Japan. Don't be such a sucker.
great video, i had a question for you. can damage caused by 1.5mm dermarolling be improved by 1mm or will i need to get as deep to heal that? i initially started too big and caused more damage than good and now i only use 1mm with prp it would be a great help to get your your opinion
I was told by one of my dermatologists, that the roller would work better for me than the dermapen. That's because I asked him that I was offer the dermapen and the derma roller by two different dermatologists. Thought that he was going to helped me decide which treatment to go for but he said neither. He offer me yet another treatment, laser would work better for me. So I am kinda confused after consulting three drs. PLEASE HELP!
Laser burns your skin. Dermaroller doesn't reach every place and actually scars your skin. Your dermatologist sucks, go to the one that recommended you dermapen.
I don't like the fact that the pen costs all kinds of money just for 1 treatment, it's not cost effective let alone they cannot guarantee a result so you are just paying money blindly. You could go in there and come out looking the same month later
I visited doctor's office because of my acne scar. I have box shaped indented scars and she told me that dermaroller is more effective for my type of scar than dermastamp(pen however you wanna call it). Damn.. whatever.. I suppose it all depends how skilled practioner is and patient's skin type. They only sell 10 packages so I will follow with dermarolling for first 5 treatment and if I am not getting good result, I will switch to stamping. I was told roller hurts more but it gives you better result and guys most likely get rolling and girls get stamping.
Ghazi Khan no. nothing occlusive and no Vit C or actives for at least 24 hours. Hyaluronic acid only and physical barriers like hats to protect against the sun during that period.
Justin Hackman if you’re spinning it without an anticoagulant then you’re not getting plasma, only blood serum. You also need to centrifuge at the correct speed and time or you won’t get PRP only PPP. Not to mention the risk of infection and other issues involved when drawing your own blood unless you’re a medical professional.
@@skinsciencebymira the risk of infection? Have you ever gotten your blood drawn before? using am alcohol swab and a new needle isn’t very difficult...
Hi Diana! When we perform a microneedling treatment here at Essentials Wellness, we provide our clients with a hyaluronic acid serum as part of the service. Hyaluronic acid keeps your skin plump and hydrated. Once the skin is healed, the client may resume their normal skincare regime. Let us know if you have any further questions!
I use either a hyaluronic acid serum or vitamin c serum. Hyaluronic acid helps with moisture and vitamin c helped with texture and uneven skin tone, but only use one at a time not both
@@blu3j00Ls I think it means, her skin sucks & neither pen nor roller helped. Then again, she may have looked like the elephant man before the pen & roller.
In my opinion, the derma pen is moved all the time hence creating a tear too! I have been using the derma roller for years without ever seeing any infection or scruffs and had derma pen done last week with bruising all over my face and resulting in flaky skin.
Hey Saskia, I feel the same! My skin recovers so much better with a roller and I get great results but the pen is basically ripping and vibrating across the skin so the collagen production is limited!!
yep ! But they don't make Money with you using a Derma roller ;)
i would love to see this video without the annoying background overpowering music
for what is good this things.
I first used the dermaroler but it left me with orange peel skin with micro tears in lines so never used again! About a year later got a dermapen and love this so much better with none of the previous issues from the roller
the music has to be lowered or go completely.
Exactly
If the "professional's" didn't charge such an outrageous ridiculous unbelievable rate for this procedure then perhaps more people could afford to have it done rather than resorting to a $30 diy tool off amazon
I had PRP around the eyes. It's so expensive and results weren't dramatic. Home micro needling on a regular basis with EGF serums is the way to go imo. Obviously you need to educate yourself and take a lot of care re sterilising.
Yup, i know many using it for hairloss. Theyre still bald and spent 3-6k for it
Where did you purchase egf serum?
I am just learning about Skin Pen and derma rollers so thank you for breaking them down for me in an easy to understand way.
why do people put music behind them talking??
but yet your skin looks amazing huh? i will continue to use the roller and then the pen. the pen you can actually purchase online and use at home and save a lot more money.
This derma pen is considered second generation and dermatologists use fourth generation machines that are much more advanced with energy. This second generation microneedling device can be purchased for around $125 on Overstock and many other places. Silly to pay an esthetician or nurse to do this when you can buy your own or get an advanced procedure at a dermatologists office. Check out dermatologist Dr. Davin Lim's videos on microneedling and many other laser and skin care topics here on RUclips. He is extremely knowledgeable about up-to-date procedures.
PCC MFT - I’d totally do that, but then there’s no PRP by doing it at home. Do they do the PRP in a dermatologist’s office?
But I shall check out those vids. Thanks!
That is true Re: the lack of PRP with DIY micro needling but there are a plethora of other efficacious topicals I have seen derm’s and estheticians report as helpful for use after microneedling. Just do your research with credible sources. If I were going to pay for micro needling, I’d at least get a treatment with a fourth generation machine rather than pay for a treatment with a device I can buy and operate myself, but that’s me and everyone needs to make safe, comfortable choices that suit them. RealSelf also has quite a bit of info from doctors Re: micro-needling also. Hope this helps someone.
tori2dles I misunderstood your question on the first read, I have seen some derm’s state on their websites that they offer PRP and I’m nearly certain I remember Dr. Davin Lim mentioning that he performs PRP in his office. Just want to state that I am not a medical professional and am only repeating info I’ve seen on the internet stated by derm’s and/or aestheticians. It is important that everyone do their own research with credible information to make safe and sound decisions that suit him/her. Dr. Dray is another dermatologist who has an informative RUclips channel BTW.
what does second generation vs fourth generation mean?
Mico pens though could pull and tear the skin since you are dragging it along whiles it's going up and down. It seems like both have negatives.
For the sketch mark which one is more effective to do it at home ?
YOU CAN PLACE THE DERMAROLLER IN A STEAMER ON THE STOVE AND STERILIZE IT LIKE THAT. ALSO i HAVE SEEN SOME WORK WITH THE DERMAPENS WHERE THEY DRAG IT ACROSS THE FACE AND CAUSE SCRAPING INJURIES WITH IT- THERE ARE A COUPLE OF VIDEOS ON RUclips WHERE IT IS DONE BADLY.
The dermapen can actually be used at home now. :)
Have you tried it yet?
doctors would now scare us that even those are not sterile either...like we are too dumb to sterilize them at home
cindy mananzala martinez
They're robbing the hard working people, if it's under $100, and can be used for years, they'll be forced to drive prices down to stay in business
But now we need a way to do sterile DIY PRP.
Hope Sands where can I find it
I dermaroll without any infection.
Yet.
@@skinsciencebymira what annoying
E rick the average person does not microneedle correctly and isn’t educated enough to do it at home. Saying her one anecdotal experience refutes the evidence isn’t reasonable. I see incorrect and unsafe microneedling on the internet all the time. Not sanitizing your skin with an alcohol swab before hand for example. Or not using single use sterile cartridges with a pen or at least correctly cleaning and frequently replacing a dermaroller or stamp, plus dermarollers create rolling tears and shouldn’t be used at longer needle lengths. Too many people microneedle more than once every 4-6 weeks so they’re actually increasing collagenase the enzyme that breaks down collagen which peaks at the 2 week mark, frequent microneedling should be kept to .30mm needles and below where you’re just increasing product
penetration. Not to mention people using oils and occlusive ingredients after microneedling when you should only be using a water based hyaluronic acid serum for 24 hours while those microchannels are open because again, you have small open wounds all over your face and there’s a very real risk of infection. There have been several cases of foreign body granulomas from people using Vitamin C and other products not safe for transdermal injection - some of these cases were permanent. And dermatologists constantly get patients with scars from dermarolling incorrectly. So yeah, I stand by what I said for all those reasons and more.
@@skinsciencebymira You saying "yet" to an unexistence infection is annoying, you must say "i hope it doesn't happen".
In other side, the people who does dermaroller (like me, and it helped a LOT with my discolouration and a few of identation), know that it should be desinfected with isopropyl alcohol, perform every 3-6 weeks and use vit c, niacinamide or retinol serums with a very good skin care routine. I congratulation for your knowledges, but this kind of negative energy is so gross.
@@skinsciencebymira And you should visit the DR David Lim explanation. He is a very well known dermatologys that instruct exactly what you need to do with a dermaroller, instead of throw shade and negative comments to the people, he wants to help.
I saw more damage in the skin performed by "professionals" with lasers than dermaroller, at home. Go off
I was thinking about the roller but now I will go to my dermatologist and have it done right. Thank you.
Derma Pen is also not going STRAIGHT in. Not unless you hold it in one area and then
Iift it straight up, rather than dragging it along the skin as is done. The drag to vibrating rate, then, must be very carefully calibrated or you’re making minor scratches akin to a threaded stitch.
Yes it is. The needles move up and down on their own and incredibly fast.
Do you recommend derma roller for hair growth stimulation?
It's supposed to work some, and that's from a dermatologist video I watched in here. However, I'm not sure which size or the specifics, so do some research!
If you've used DermMatch, what are the pros and cons of it, not compared to Toppik, but "compared to itself"? What about comparing the cost of DermMatch to just using a fine-tipped magic marker on your scalp?
You can buy the pens...i love how they bring up sanitization. If you cant clean something well enough to not cause a infection come on..in the military as a medic and keeping wounds sanitized in non sanitized conditions out in the open so that it doesn't cause infection. If that can be done and you can't keep a fricken roller that barely penetrates...your ridiculous.
I don't mean to be mean by I notice her skin being dry and not ideal textured with deep lines. I wonder why and how it is not treated? sorry if this sounds mean, I am just wondering if these methods are effective?
I was thinking the same thing. Who knows? Maybe her skin was way worse before she got treatment. Also, perhaps her diet is bad and causes her ongoing skin problems. Most likely the case.
Frig that you go on ebay and can get a derma roller of any size up to 2mm for literally $15
Any side effects???
Derma roller works best for my skin 🤷🏼♀️ and i’m a qualified clinician so one size doesn’t fits it all lady 😉
Does microneedle pen removes huge stretchmarks ?
Only if the needles are long. The needles need to pierce your dermis to improve stretch marks so anything from 0.5mm to 1.5mm. Also be aware that the longer the needle, the more painful it is.
Penny Smith is a Estition follow her she is amazing
@@elizabethreece8003 She recommends products with phenoxyethanol! Even ranking it under the 'superstar' catt.! Phenoxyethanol is highly toxic and was even banned in Japan. Don't be such a sucker.
great video, i had a question for you. can damage caused by 1.5mm dermarolling be improved by 1mm or will i need to get as deep to heal that? i initially started too big and caused more damage than good and now i only use 1mm with prp
it would be a great help to get your your opinion
Mam i have ood chicken pox scars does its work plz rply me
I was told by one of my dermatologists, that the roller would work better for me than the dermapen. That's because I asked him that I was offer the dermapen and the derma roller by two different dermatologists. Thought that he was going to helped me decide which treatment to go for but he said neither. He offer me yet another treatment, laser would work better for me. So I am kinda confused after consulting three drs. PLEASE HELP!
Laser burns your skin. Dermaroller doesn't reach every place and actually scars your skin.
Your dermatologist sucks, go to the one that recommended you dermapen.
Is it lesser
Can you use replacement cartridges as just a manual derma stamp? Seems cheaper🤷🏼♀️
I don't like the fact that the pen costs all kinds of money just for 1 treatment, it's not cost effective let alone they cannot guarantee a result so you are just paying money blindly. You could go in there and come out looking the same month later
Why music so loud ?😡😭
You said you're a nurse. Not a dermatologist?
Can dermapen be used at home safely??
I visited doctor's office because of my acne scar. I have box shaped indented scars and she told me that dermaroller is more effective for my type of scar than dermastamp(pen however you wanna call it). Damn.. whatever.. I suppose it all depends how skilled practioner is and patient's skin type. They only sell 10 packages so I will follow with dermarolling for first 5 treatment and if I am not getting good result, I will switch to stamping. I was told roller hurts more but it gives you better result and guys most likely get rolling and girls get stamping.
How was it bro? Is derma roller effective?
I have 2 indented scars one on the tip of my nose and one on my cheek. How did the Derma Roller work for you??
Would be great if you'd reply!
after dermapen treatment can i apply moisturiser or lotion on my face?
Ghazi Khan 9
Ghazi Khan no. nothing occlusive and no Vit C or actives for at least 24 hours. Hyaluronic acid only and physical barriers like hats to protect against the sun during that period.
How many pins does the pen have?
The Music is very distracting.
But the roller is more save to use at home
Which one is batter darmapen or drmaroller for my melasma skin and how much time I used in month
How can i clean it please tell me
I am using a derma pen with 36 needle heads and my own PRP. I find it less painful than the lesser needles. Am I doing the right thing?
Make sure the needles are moving up and down, that it's not just vibrating. There's a video on YT showing the difference.
How in the heck are you getting your own plasma for that?
The centrifuge is $52 on Amazon. Get a hypodermic needle and draw some blood....put in a test tube...spin out the platelets...
Justin Hackman if you’re spinning it without an anticoagulant then you’re not getting plasma, only blood serum. You also need to centrifuge at the correct speed and time or you won’t get PRP only PPP. Not to mention the risk of infection and other issues involved when drawing your own blood unless you’re a medical professional.
@@skinsciencebymira the risk of infection? Have you ever gotten your blood drawn before? using am alcohol swab and a new needle isn’t very difficult...
That is not needles you are showing. It is a metal wheel of flat blades.
Your so flash name appear in 2 seconds and disappear . Why ??
What can I put after microneedling? Moisturizer? Any lotion ?
Hi Diana! When we perform a microneedling treatment here at Essentials Wellness, we provide our clients with a hyaluronic acid serum as part of the service. Hyaluronic acid keeps your skin plump and hydrated. Once the skin is healed, the client may resume their normal skincare regime. Let us know if you have any further questions!
Vitamine e serum
I use either a hyaluronic acid serum or vitamin c serum. Hyaluronic acid helps with moisture and vitamin c helped with texture and uneven skin tone, but only use one at a time not both
for what is good this things
Either ways Derma roller is awesome 💯.. if you know .... you know😇💯
how can i clean the dema pen and can it be use at home? please reply i m from pakistan and i am a big fan of you😍
Dr Pen entered the chat
Thank you for the info.
Thank you kindly for posting this video
mam i have old chicken pox scars does its work derma roller plz rply me
Yes! It helps in scars but they must be healed
Is it lesser??
1 minggu berpa x boleh derma kak
She is just a salesperson
How can i clean dermapen please tell me
abhi sharma the tips are disposable, so you just buy new tips and click it on
thanks. its exact explanation i was looking for
what alse can u say if dermarolling is taking clients away from dr office🤣
Either way she’s right. Dermarollers create tears and get dull. You can buy a pen for home use.
Your video is so much knowledge able
It is so funny that she shows a fake dermaroller 🤣
Great info, thanks
soo .. needling is bad but derma pen is good.
This would be a lot more convincing if they would have used someone with good skin....
She’s beautiful! Your rude!
@@gracie3174 This comment would be a lot more convincing if you used correct grammar. (You're)
Cougar
Nice points you brought. But I only believe half of what you say cause I don't want to look like you.
What does that even mean.
@@blu3j00Ls I think it means, her skin sucks & neither pen nor roller helped. Then again, she may have looked like the elephant man before the pen & roller.